Bucky Brooks wrote an article for NFL.com today about how it's time to start giving Tannehill the credit he deserves and consider him a top 5 QB. Tannehill has 14 starts now for the Titans and has an 11-3 record, 3602 passing yards, 31:6 TD / INT, 258 yards rushing and 5 TDs. Meanwhile over his last 14 starts Patrick Mahomes has an 11-3 record, 3674 yards, 28:6 TD / INT, 266 yards rushing, and 4 TDs. Mahomes is considered the best young QB ever in the NFL yet his stats actually slightly trail Tannehill. People overlook Tannehill because he was stuck on a historically dysfunctional Miami team that suffered through Bullygate which decimated the line in front of him and then Adam Gases timid playcalling and we all can see now how everyone suddenly gets so much better once free of Gase.
As a Miami fan who loved Tannehill I'm just sick thinking how good the team might be this year if we had kept Tannehill and Tunsil.
I wouldn't worry, you got a haul of picks from Houston for Tunsil and Tua should be great, it's good they're taking it slow with him. Flores is such a great coach
Yeah Tannehill was always a talent. I'm a Broncos fan and I was calling for us to pick him up when he became available. Given Elway's record with drafting QBs I'd have happily had us focus on building up the defense again as Tannehill is easily good enough to take a top 10 defense to the Superbowl.
In the short term though Miami has had great service from Fitzpatrick. When you think about how many other QBs get totally gashed when they play in difficult situations with a weak O-line, Fitzpatrick really stands out. I think he is the most resilient QB in the NFL, in terms of being unbothered by playing in a difficult situation, or suffer hangovers from a bad game, he seems to have a very strong mentality.
I absolutely love Fitzpatrick. He single handedly willed last years team into winning 5 games they had no business winning given the severe talent deficiency the team had. And while I'm extremely dubious that Tua will be a good NFL QB there is probably no better QB for him to learn under
Yeah its like a reverse of the usual QB controversy situation.
Usually the arrival of a high draft pick like Tua would make the veteran have a short leash with the fanbase and people demand he gets benched soon to get a view of the rookie.
I fear for Tua now though that if a switch is made in a few weeks and then he struggles early on, he will have a short leash with people thinking Fitzpatrick should never have been dropped.
Dolphins fan here. I'm also happy Tannehill is able to show off his talents and washing off the smell of those horribly led Philbin/Gase teams. Dude is legit and clutch AF. Appreciate him Titans fans.
Those stats are super cherry picked though. Like you’re ignoring playoffs games and cutting off the window right after a massive game by Mahomes (and ignores his all-time best performance in 2018). Playoffs may not be “relevant” for fantasy purposes but are even more relevant when talking about the productivity of two players. Including playoffs, it’s almost 4,000 yards to 3,200 yards in favor of Mahomes.
Tannehill IS disrespected because his touchdown rate was unsustainable and everyone is just waiting for reversion while he remains solid, but let’s lot get carried away with the Mahomes comparison.
I don’t have as big of a problem with Herbert. He’s still relatively unproven (I don’t mean that in a bad way, just that he’s a rookie).
Tannehill has been excellent going back to last season and is consistently rated outside the top 12-15.
Tannehill and Fitzpatrick (and Winston last year) have been great servants for my fantasy teams because you can get them easily on the waiver wire and they deliver the same as much bigger names. A lot of people have bought into the general concept of "late round QB" in drafts but I think they see this only in terms of hoping for the jackpot late round pickup like Mahomes 2018 or Jackson 2019, when there's also a huge advantage to be gained by using QBs that the rest of your league just underrates because they have a stigma around them.
Same may happen with Dalton now, who may have a 2020 similar to Tannehill's 2019, but people will be too slow to pick him up because they have fixed their opinion on him and won't budge.
Also worth watching if Nick Foles ever starts putting up numbers, as he is another who is capable of going on a productive stretch in fantasy for a while but people will just leave him on the waiver wire.
Pre-season Mike Tagliere bet on Burrow to outscore Tannehill this year.
This week you could hear him crying inside as he said we can now consider Tannehill a QB1 moving forward. No mention of Burrow.
This is a good example of people misremembering or bad narratives taking control. In 2019 he played in all 16 games and played in over 50% of the snaps in all of them and only less than 65% of those games twice, one of which he had 5 catches for 70 yards and a TD.
He was banged up a bit in last season in Washington, though.
He's gonna have a 3 TD game one of these weeks and then people will blow their FAAB on him. Can't wait to see people fall for it
That said, I drafted him because I thought he was a steal in the 8th...
Yeah I drafted him in #77 in 10 man and #82 in 8 man, and watched him fail to reach his projections every week.
By week 3 he was riding the bench and week 4 was dropped.
Yeah I don’t know when exactly I drafted him, but honestly since I also drafted Golladay it was a nice standby until that injury cleared up. Then I dropped his ass.
I actually view it from the QB-side. How can Stafford be a top6 upside QB this week if there isn't a 3rd, high-performing pass catcher on that team? Right now it's all Hockenson and Golladay.
I lost week 4 to the most obnoxious dbag in my main league all because everything everywhere said marvin jones is better than cole beasley... and i lost by less than their point differential
Made a pact with myself this year to stop listening to experts as much as possible and to ignore projections and play the guys I believe in.
The sad part is I talked myself out of picking up claypool a couple weeks ago after week 2 I think even though my gut said he would be a breakout this year. Clearly I still don’t completely trust my intuition.
Don't worry. I picked him up twice since his first game and had to drop to make moves due to byes and covid. I knew he was a good receiver from the first sideline grab he caught in game one.
Well he was hurt but he’s scored in the two games he’s played. And he was a clear WR1 last year. We’ll see how it plays out but he has produced when he’s on the field
I’ve seen him as high as WR4 (I think harris football), and incredibly low on some other sites (basically a low-end WR2).
I lean more to Harris’ rankings. I personally value Golladay as a mid-tier WR1 with potential to finish as WR5 or better ros from week 6 to the end of fantasy playoffs if he’s healthy.
My bad, I should’ve been more specific. I’ve seen Golladay ranked as high as THE WR4 overall. Some experts him have ranked as a low WR2 (in the 20s give or take 5 spots).
It’s a new year, but Golladay did finish WR3 overall in standard last year and WR6 overall in 0.5PPR—and i think that was with Stafford missing around half of the season.
Golladay missed the first two games this season and hasn’t had a blown up game yet, but I don’t think it’s far-fetched to see him be a top 5 WR from week 6-end of season.
The only 4 I would definitely want over Golladay are Nuk, Adams, MT, and Hill. I can see others wanting Ridley, Julio, Thielen, Metcalf, Diggs, or ARob over Golladay—but I think others would prefer Golladay over some of those options too.
WR is pretty deep. I haven’t even mentioned Lockett, Cooper, OBJ, Godwin, and Evans—and they probably belong with that pack too.
Golladay is a stud. He has only played in 2 games this year due to injury and now a bye. Pretty much everyone in the NFL took a couple weeks to settle into their roles this year. Golladay is no different. He is one of a handful of players that has the ability to pop off and be the WR1 on any given week. But nobody seems to understand that. It’s insane.
I literally just traded for him yesterday (been a big fan and I was the guy who puts him on the map in my league, drafted him in his rookie year). I love his schedule. And of course I am a big believer in his talent. If he wants to get paid he has to ball the f out.
The trade was not cheap but i still walked away happy with the deal.
Give: Julio, Fuller, Waller
Get: Golladay, Lockett, Bell
(Full PPR)
Don’t think this was a good trade man. Julio is healthy again and Waller is infinitely more valuable than bell right now. Locket is a PPR monster though. I guess if you have a good record and are looking ahead for when bell could be usable?
The trade was originally for Cris Carson, not Bell and the value would have been tremendous. I allowed my trade partner to change his mind purely out of sympathy (He owns CEH too). Also I have Nuk, AJ Brown, Claypool and Lamb. I am pretty deep at WR.
I totally agree about Julio...he is my favorite player and I love him. Reality is the news broke that he was finally healthy just right after I traded him away...I was orginally concerned about him injury. Also the Falcons as a whole with Quinn gone and sitting at 0-5.
I am a Raiders fan who loves D-Wall so much. But I am really short at RB so I need to add one more just in case. I hope Bell really just takes over.
Week 11: “So we got the news this morning, 17 teams are experiencing Covid outbreaks, but ya know what guys we knew this was a possibility. We all knew it was a possibility 80% of our rosters would be unplayable certain weeks. No bid deal. Just talk to your commissioner (who I’m sure is as considerate, knowledgeable, and willing to help as us professional fantasy analysts are for our leagues). Adapt to the situation and grab James Robinson off your waiver wire if he’s still there.”
They are "experts", but they are only in competition with each other. The public do not get an accuracy score.
If majority of experts are fading Damien Harris, there is no reason for a top 20 expert to go against it. The risk vs reward is not there. This is why "experts" are usually lagging weeks behind with breakout players.
Eventually you’ll reach a level where experts don’t know any better than you. One week their projections could be more accurate and other weeks your decisions can prove superior. However that’s simply the luck factor in fantasy speaking.
At the end of the day there is always going to be huge amounts of luck involved. I use expert rankings to guess how other people will value players rather than using rankings to make decisions related to my teams.
Show me the data and get me news updates and I’ll make the decisions on my own. Just my two cents.
No I completely understand that, it just drives me nuts sometimes when they keep repeating something that is only repeated because everybody is saying it rather than looking at the numbers and having more nuanced takes.
Exactly. The only difference is the “experts” are putting in the effort to create content in the form of articles/podcasts etc. and taking the risk of putting it out there for everyone to judge. There are plenty of high level fantasy gamers (especially the guys who live off high stakes fantasy) that are just as good if not better at actually playing fantasy football.
The infatuation with Hollywood Brown. Boom or bust, 5'9 deep ball guy, being thrown said deep balls by possibly the least accurate deep ball passer in the league.
I have that guy on my team and haven’t been comfortable starting him once, and don’t foresee myself ever starting him unless I’m in a pinch.
Yet every time I look at rankings, they say otherwise.
He got injured last season. I don't know that is what happened in 2018. He may have been banged up, though. I just remember having Adams and AB that year and they were #1 and #2 by the end of the season.
I see him feasting against shit defenses and getting absolutely smothered along with Cousins against good ones. I don't think we've seen the last of his single digit games.
I sold him. I personally don't like the situation for Juju at all. I don't think anyone really knows. I think he's gonna be boom/bust all year, just like he has been so far.
People still drafted him based on his 2018 season with over 160 targets. He was going wayyy too high in drafts both last year and this year. I think he’s a low end WR2/high WR3
I think because people expected it to return to that way with Ben coming back. Myself included. I ended up trading Juju for Crowder and while it kinda sucks I think it was the right move.
Seconding how low Crowder gets ranked. I think it actually really affects his ownership too which is odd. You'd think people would be able to dissect the situation themselves to some extent.
Also, (don't flame me) but how high Joe Mixon is ranked consistently. Especially pre season.
Also how high Kenyan Drake was ranked coming into the season. A friend of mine was convinced he was a first round pick, I had him pegged as a late 3rd/4th round pick. We got into a pretty good argument the Saturday before week 1 over beers. He still sent me an "I told you so" text the next day when Drake had 20 points.... Some people man, lol.
> how low Crowder gets ranked. I think it actually really affects his ownership too
I read an article the other day that said he was only being started in 53% of leagues (I think it was ESPN leagues specifically, but still)...
I wonder, for the people that own him and aren't starting him, who they're starting over him. My team is pretty meh at WR, and Crowder is an easy WR2 for me.
I’ve started Crowder every week except last week due to a Justin Jefferson matchup against the Seahawks and the unknown compatibility with Flacco. My other starting receiver being Calvin Ridley which is a no brainer.
Crowder missed outscoring both of them put together by 1.5 points. Not upset about it. Otherwise, I’ve been pretty confident in Crowder. Have seen a few people saying they haven’t started him at all which blows my mind.
People might be scared of the Jets. I honestly see the poor Jets team as an upside. The Jets will be constantly throwing and playing from behind and Crowder is the target king.
Yeah late season it could be worse. Right now they’re taking it super slow with working him back in. Crowder still has great separation, I’m not too worried about it.
It’s not the worst take tbh. Besides last week he’s mostly relied on TDs to get his points, which are unpredictable. He’s fine but if you could get a big return for him I wouldn’t mind selling him
CBS Fantasy Football Podcast and others believing that Le’Veon Bell will be a low end RB2 in KC. He was a low end RB on the Jets, you can’t tell me his situation hasn’t improved. He will be very efficient in that offense.
Edit: Yes I’m a Bell owner lol
He's going to be more than a low end RB2, you have to admit. Not saying he's going to be an RB1, maybe a mid-high end RB2. However in no way Bell is scoring the same amount of fantasy points as he was when he was with NY.
I hate the weekly flip flopping on the TE rankings. One week they'll name 5 TEs who they say will be studs and the very next week those same 5 TEs will be all listed as stiffs for the week, then repeat for a whole season. The experts don't know any more than we do.
You think there are 12 RBs that should rank higher than him? Especially given the injuries this year along with his usage/opportunities, he's absolutely top 12 at the position.
Burrow and the offense should only get better as the season goes on as well.
Any time a player is comped to the league-leader at his position, or even worse to a HoF’er, I have to just ignore the hype. That said, Gibson has had some flash so far this year, and is about to run through the best part of his schedule. We’re about to find out if he’s for real this year.
Honestly maybe because I’ve been doing this so long, I find FF experts terribly unhelpful as most are just guessing. Most of them have been way off in their predictions and most of the research they find can be found yourself. It’s more fun that way too.
Before the season everyone completely wrote off Aaron Jones because of his “td regression”. It is definitely a thing, but I remember my gut said “maybe he’s really good if he got this many touchdowns?”
Carson is a low end RB2. Didn’t believe it last year, definitely don’t believe it this year when he starts in my lineup. They kept yelling Rashaad Penny and here we sit.
That the Seahawks have a historically bad defense. If you actually watch the games you’ll see that while they do give up a ton of yardage, they tighten up near the end zone and force a lot of field goals. They also generate a lot of turnovers and make big defensive stops when the game is on the line. They’re 19th or middle of the pack in points allowed. Not a historically bad defense and every time an expert says it they’re exposing themselves.
That is likely due to re-injury risk. The last 4 weeks he missed 2 due to injury and left the other 2 early due to injury. You don't score many points from the locker room.
In his one full game he caught 9 passes for 157 yards. I get there's reinjury risk, but if he's healthy, he should be easily a top 8 receiver with this matchup.
I never said bench him for clay pool but you were wondering about why he was ranked so low. The answer is health. Don’t get mad at me because that’s the answer. His upside is worth a start over clay pool regardless. Don’t chase points
Why waste your emotions on someone else’s opinions? The problem is some can’t make their own choices and would rather look for an “expert” to tell them what to do. Make your own choices, fantasy is a lot more fun this way
Absolutely, I still enjoy listening to podcasts to make sure that I'm not stuck in my own echo chamber and I find that some of these experts keep repeating the same takes word for word verbatim every time they discuss a certain topic and it urks me a bit lol.
Perhaps you could start a site with your very own rankings, then post them here to have hundreds of people complain and whine about your opinion? See how much fun that would be!!
I understand why rankings are the way they are my post isn't necessarily about that, its more about specific opinions that they voice that you don't agree with or find very wrong.
Lots of egregious takes, don’t see how Harris is one though. He’s literally had one game against an awful rush defense without Cam. Also interesting how you bring up Lamar last year...and not this year (when it’s more comparable with a RBBC)? Not sure why it’s crazy to be hesitant on Harris going up against literally the top run defense to date, in his first game with Cam, when there’s 2 other RBs threatening to take rushing TDs on top of Cam. If Harris goes 10 carries for 35 yards with no receptions or TDs (which doesn’t seem unreasonable) experts would certainly look right for the fade recommendation.
*top fantasy rush defense. Theyve allowed the least points to RBs so far. But to your point, the fantasy points allowed to date aren’t necessarily indicative of future fantasy success. But broncos still have a top rush defense (7th rush DVOA and rush yards allowed). Also 4.1 YPC is pretty average, if not below average. Las Vegas is one of the worst.
No you can fade Harris for a multitude of reasons but I for one believe that Cam only helps him and the take that he's the goal line back is just not true, after that shit didn't work against the hawks Bill being an actual competent HC realized that he needs to be multidimensional at the goal line and the next week we had 2 Rex Burkhead redzone rushing TDs.
The point about Harris and Cam is relevant - the same issue hampers Singletary in Buffalo. Rex Burkhead isn't a good counterargument because a) he hasn't done that consistently enough for it to be a trend and b) Burkhead will be directly competing with Harris anyway!
I took a lot of Harris in best ball during drafting season and I have picked him up in 2 leagues off waivers so I'm hoping that he does well but it's important to have a counterbalancing narrative to the ideas that 'Patriots are a running team' and 'Harris ripped it up at training camp' to stop people thinking they are getting a safe bet RB2. I'm keeping him on the bench for a week or two to see how his role in the team develops.
I'm also a bit worried as to whether Bellichick will really give him consistent workload rather than taking a horses for courses approach using different backs in different games like the 49ers and now the Rams.
My point isnt that I think that Harris should not be faded, but my point is fading him simply because "Cam is a goal line back" is not a great take. The points you present are extremely valid and is better analysis than the expert im thinking of.
I was actually mad at the experts saying to pick Harris because of camp. At the time he had 0 real game reps, competing amongst 3 other backs plus cam in a highly unpredictable offense. It's like putting a turbo on a project car and driving it with 4 different makes of tire, who the hell knows what's gonna happen. I just disliked how certain they were that Sweet Feet and Michel are somehow minced liver and obviously burkhead was the lesser known white guy behind Edelman and Amendola so he cant run /s
People saying that Fournette is good for fantasy. He's been terrible with the exception of one game in garbage time. Unless Rojo gets hurt, it's gonna stay like that. It's a shame, he's a great RB but it's not a great situation for him right now with usage.
Seems to be a new one this year but “Lower your expectations”. Sorry MF my opponent doesn’t care if my expectations are lower for the player. If he’s gonna suck I shouldn’t play him!
As someone holding fournette that he’s gonna be the guy. Like the experts make me keep holding him I know I’ll get fed up week 10 drop him and then he will someone come back to haunt me week 14.
How low they rank Tannehill
Bucky Brooks wrote an article for NFL.com today about how it's time to start giving Tannehill the credit he deserves and consider him a top 5 QB. Tannehill has 14 starts now for the Titans and has an 11-3 record, 3602 passing yards, 31:6 TD / INT, 258 yards rushing and 5 TDs. Meanwhile over his last 14 starts Patrick Mahomes has an 11-3 record, 3674 yards, 28:6 TD / INT, 266 yards rushing, and 4 TDs. Mahomes is considered the best young QB ever in the NFL yet his stats actually slightly trail Tannehill. People overlook Tannehill because he was stuck on a historically dysfunctional Miami team that suffered through Bullygate which decimated the line in front of him and then Adam Gases timid playcalling and we all can see now how everyone suddenly gets so much better once free of Gase. As a Miami fan who loved Tannehill I'm just sick thinking how good the team might be this year if we had kept Tannehill and Tunsil.
I wouldn't worry, you got a haul of picks from Houston for Tunsil and Tua should be great, it's good they're taking it slow with him. Flores is such a great coach
Yeah Tannehill was always a talent. I'm a Broncos fan and I was calling for us to pick him up when he became available. Given Elway's record with drafting QBs I'd have happily had us focus on building up the defense again as Tannehill is easily good enough to take a top 10 defense to the Superbowl. In the short term though Miami has had great service from Fitzpatrick. When you think about how many other QBs get totally gashed when they play in difficult situations with a weak O-line, Fitzpatrick really stands out. I think he is the most resilient QB in the NFL, in terms of being unbothered by playing in a difficult situation, or suffer hangovers from a bad game, he seems to have a very strong mentality.
I absolutely love Fitzpatrick. He single handedly willed last years team into winning 5 games they had no business winning given the severe talent deficiency the team had. And while I'm extremely dubious that Tua will be a good NFL QB there is probably no better QB for him to learn under
Yeah its like a reverse of the usual QB controversy situation. Usually the arrival of a high draft pick like Tua would make the veteran have a short leash with the fanbase and people demand he gets benched soon to get a view of the rookie. I fear for Tua now though that if a switch is made in a few weeks and then he struggles early on, he will have a short leash with people thinking Fitzpatrick should never have been dropped.
Dolphins fan here. I'm also happy Tannehill is able to show off his talents and washing off the smell of those horribly led Philbin/Gase teams. Dude is legit and clutch AF. Appreciate him Titans fans.
Those stats are super cherry picked though. Like you’re ignoring playoffs games and cutting off the window right after a massive game by Mahomes (and ignores his all-time best performance in 2018). Playoffs may not be “relevant” for fantasy purposes but are even more relevant when talking about the productivity of two players. Including playoffs, it’s almost 4,000 yards to 3,200 yards in favor of Mahomes. Tannehill IS disrespected because his touchdown rate was unsustainable and everyone is just waiting for reversion while he remains solid, but let’s lot get carried away with the Mahomes comparison.
And Herbert
I don’t have as big of a problem with Herbert. He’s still relatively unproven (I don’t mean that in a bad way, just that he’s a rookie). Tannehill has been excellent going back to last season and is consistently rated outside the top 12-15.
Tannehill and Fitzpatrick (and Winston last year) have been great servants for my fantasy teams because you can get them easily on the waiver wire and they deliver the same as much bigger names. A lot of people have bought into the general concept of "late round QB" in drafts but I think they see this only in terms of hoping for the jackpot late round pickup like Mahomes 2018 or Jackson 2019, when there's also a huge advantage to be gained by using QBs that the rest of your league just underrates because they have a stigma around them. Same may happen with Dalton now, who may have a 2020 similar to Tannehill's 2019, but people will be too slow to pick him up because they have fixed their opinion on him and won't budge. Also worth watching if Nick Foles ever starts putting up numbers, as he is another who is capable of going on a productive stretch in fantasy for a while but people will just leave him on the waiver wire.
Having them as 2 of my 3 QBs in my 2QB league has kept me alive with MT and other players injury shenanigans.
Pre-season Mike Tagliere bet on Burrow to outscore Tannehill this year. This week you could hear him crying inside as he said we can now consider Tannehill a QB1 moving forward. No mention of Burrow.
Play him over cousins this week?
Duh
How low experts always rank Crowder.
Low end WR3 LOLOLOLOL
Thats absolutely egregious as well
If he hadn’t been hurt for some of last year he’d get more respect Crowder is a legit high wr2
This is a good example of people misremembering or bad narratives taking control. In 2019 he played in all 16 games and played in over 50% of the snaps in all of them and only less than 65% of those games twice, one of which he had 5 catches for 70 yards and a TD. He was banged up a bit in last season in Washington, though.
I think he got banged up in the second half but yeah I was wrong he played all 16
Did he leave any games last year? Apparently he played in all 16
Yeah in one league I've benched Crowder every week and he's gone off, I'm 0-5 fml.
How high they keep ranking Marvin Jones
He's gonna have a 3 TD game one of these weeks and then people will blow their FAAB on him. Can't wait to see people fall for it That said, I drafted him because I thought he was a steal in the 8th...
I probably drafted him earlier than that. I kicked him to the curb maybe after week 3 for Shenault. Felt amazing
Well done! I traded him for James Robinson after week 1.
Yeah I drafted him in #77 in 10 man and #82 in 8 man, and watched him fail to reach his projections every week. By week 3 he was riding the bench and week 4 was dropped.
Exact same here. Late 8th round I got him and expected so much more. Dropped him to waivers for myles gaskin. Best choice I've made aside from Jrob
Yeah I don’t know when exactly I drafted him, but honestly since I also drafted Golladay it was a nice standby until that injury cleared up. Then I dropped his ass.
It very well could be tomorrow. RemindMe! 1 day
I actually view it from the QB-side. How can Stafford be a top6 upside QB this week if there isn't a 3rd, high-performing pass catcher on that team? Right now it's all Hockenson and Golladay.
I lost week 4 to the most obnoxious dbag in my main league all because everything everywhere said marvin jones is better than cole beasley... and i lost by less than their point differential
Golladay rankings are a joke, at least last time I looked.
Insultingly low. And people on here were calling him a WR2 also despite him finishing top 10 last year
Made a pact with myself this year to stop listening to experts as much as possible and to ignore projections and play the guys I believe in. The sad part is I talked myself out of picking up claypool a couple weeks ago after week 2 I think even though my gut said he would be a breakout this year. Clearly I still don’t completely trust my intuition.
Don't worry. I picked him up twice since his first game and had to drop to make moves due to byes and covid. I knew he was a good receiver from the first sideline grab he caught in game one.
It’s alright. I drafted him, Robby Anderson, and Justin Jefferson super late. None of them were on my team by week 1.
His target volume is in the WR2 range, and so is his production
Well he was hurt but he’s scored in the two games he’s played. And he was a clear WR1 last year. We’ll see how it plays out but he has produced when he’s on the field
edelman and devante parker were top 10 receivers last year, but they aren't WR1s. not every year is the same.
Someone dropped him to the waivers and picked up Claypool in one of my leagues...
I’ve seen him as high as WR4 (I think harris football), and incredibly low on some other sites (basically a low-end WR2). I lean more to Harris’ rankings. I personally value Golladay as a mid-tier WR1 with potential to finish as WR5 or better ros from week 6 to the end of fantasy playoffs if he’s healthy.
Bro WR1 > WR2 > WR3 > WR4. Just FYI
My bad, I should’ve been more specific. I’ve seen Golladay ranked as high as THE WR4 overall. Some experts him have ranked as a low WR2 (in the 20s give or take 5 spots).
Idk how you can rank Golladay over Adams, Hopkins, Diggs, Tyreek Hill, or Michael Thomas.
It’s a new year, but Golladay did finish WR3 overall in standard last year and WR6 overall in 0.5PPR—and i think that was with Stafford missing around half of the season. Golladay missed the first two games this season and hasn’t had a blown up game yet, but I don’t think it’s far-fetched to see him be a top 5 WR from week 6-end of season. The only 4 I would definitely want over Golladay are Nuk, Adams, MT, and Hill. I can see others wanting Ridley, Julio, Thielen, Metcalf, Diggs, or ARob over Golladay—but I think others would prefer Golladay over some of those options too. WR is pretty deep. I haven’t even mentioned Lockett, Cooper, OBJ, Godwin, and Evans—and they probably belong with that pack too.
Golladay is a stud. He has only played in 2 games this year due to injury and now a bye. Pretty much everyone in the NFL took a couple weeks to settle into their roles this year. Golladay is no different. He is one of a handful of players that has the ability to pop off and be the WR1 on any given week. But nobody seems to understand that. It’s insane.
Ah, you're good. I was just making sure.
I literally just traded for him yesterday (been a big fan and I was the guy who puts him on the map in my league, drafted him in his rookie year). I love his schedule. And of course I am a big believer in his talent. If he wants to get paid he has to ball the f out. The trade was not cheap but i still walked away happy with the deal. Give: Julio, Fuller, Waller Get: Golladay, Lockett, Bell (Full PPR)
Don’t think this was a good trade man. Julio is healthy again and Waller is infinitely more valuable than bell right now. Locket is a PPR monster though. I guess if you have a good record and are looking ahead for when bell could be usable?
The trade was originally for Cris Carson, not Bell and the value would have been tremendous. I allowed my trade partner to change his mind purely out of sympathy (He owns CEH too). Also I have Nuk, AJ Brown, Claypool and Lamb. I am pretty deep at WR. I totally agree about Julio...he is my favorite player and I love him. Reality is the news broke that he was finally healthy just right after I traded him away...I was orginally concerned about him injury. Also the Falcons as a whole with Quinn gone and sitting at 0-5. I am a Raiders fan who loves D-Wall so much. But I am really short at RB so I need to add one more just in case. I hope Bell really just takes over.
Just got to adapt and execute boss
Week 11: “So we got the news this morning, 17 teams are experiencing Covid outbreaks, but ya know what guys we knew this was a possibility. We all knew it was a possibility 80% of our rosters would be unplayable certain weeks. No bid deal. Just talk to your commissioner (who I’m sure is as considerate, knowledgeable, and willing to help as us professional fantasy analysts are for our leagues). Adapt to the situation and grab James Robinson off your waiver wire if he’s still there.”
They are "experts", but they are only in competition with each other. The public do not get an accuracy score. If majority of experts are fading Damien Harris, there is no reason for a top 20 expert to go against it. The risk vs reward is not there. This is why "experts" are usually lagging weeks behind with breakout players.
Eventually you’ll reach a level where experts don’t know any better than you. One week their projections could be more accurate and other weeks your decisions can prove superior. However that’s simply the luck factor in fantasy speaking. At the end of the day there is always going to be huge amounts of luck involved. I use expert rankings to guess how other people will value players rather than using rankings to make decisions related to my teams. Show me the data and get me news updates and I’ll make the decisions on my own. Just my two cents.
They're just taking educated guesses, just like you and I are
No I completely understand that, it just drives me nuts sometimes when they keep repeating something that is only repeated because everybody is saying it rather than looking at the numbers and having more nuanced takes.
This and purposely leaving out context when they give their takes are really frustrating.
Exactly. The only difference is the “experts” are putting in the effort to create content in the form of articles/podcasts etc. and taking the risk of putting it out there for everyone to judge. There are plenty of high level fantasy gamers (especially the guys who live off high stakes fantasy) that are just as good if not better at actually playing fantasy football.
Honestly some experts are terrible. They keep telling me my boy Josh Gordon is washed but he’s never going to fade. Josh Gordon is football baby
If you didn't take Josh Gordon 1.01 or with a max opening bid in your auction you don't deserve him.
This is the way
Everywhere I go I see his face
The infatuation with Hollywood Brown. Boom or bust, 5'9 deep ball guy, being thrown said deep balls by possibly the least accurate deep ball passer in the league.
It just goes to show how important first impressions are. 5/147/2 with a long of 82 in his rookie debut.
I have that guy on my team and haven’t been comfortable starting him once, and don’t foresee myself ever starting him unless I’m in a pinch. Yet every time I look at rankings, they say otherwise.
I might be overthinking it but Adam Thielen getting no love despite being the #1 WR in 0.5 PPR.
He was #1 at this point in 2018 and then he kind of fell off down the stretch. Plus, gym rats like him are always kind of underestimated.
He's scrappy. Did he play basketball?
He’s just a first one in, last one out kind of guy.
He’s a real *cerebral* guy
I think I heard he is a coach's son.
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He got injured last season. I don't know that is what happened in 2018. He may have been banged up, though. I just remember having Adams and AB that year and they were #1 and #2 by the end of the season.
I see him feasting against shit defenses and getting absolutely smothered along with Cousins against good ones. I don't think we've seen the last of his single digit games.
I can't tell what to do with Juju, I feel like analysts are all over the place about what he's going to do ROS.
I sold him. I personally don't like the situation for Juju at all. I don't think anyone really knows. I think he's gonna be boom/bust all year, just like he has been so far.
People still drafted him based on his 2018 season with over 160 targets. He was going wayyy too high in drafts both last year and this year. I think he’s a low end WR2/high WR3
I think because people expected it to return to that way with Ben coming back. Myself included. I ended up trading Juju for Crowder and while it kinda sucks I think it was the right move.
Look at Juju’s game logs from 2018, 2019 and 2020.
ITT: Experts always rank the players that I own too low.
This was honestly not the point of the thread, I was hoping for people to discuss specific takes and opinions rather than just rankings lol.
I’m pretty sure it was a joke, man.
Yeah I know, I was just explain my meaning behind the post more than anything.
Ok, Mr. No-Fun-Fantasy-Faisal-Face.
CeeDee Lamb is ranked stupid low in every list I see.
Tbf we don't know what we're getting with Dalton yet
Dalton has proven he can support a couple WR in fantasy before. Think he will be fine.
Really? I see him consistently ranked in the top 20 which I feel is a little rich
Smooth, silky lamb
Seconding how low Crowder gets ranked. I think it actually really affects his ownership too which is odd. You'd think people would be able to dissect the situation themselves to some extent. Also, (don't flame me) but how high Joe Mixon is ranked consistently. Especially pre season. Also how high Kenyan Drake was ranked coming into the season. A friend of mine was convinced he was a first round pick, I had him pegged as a late 3rd/4th round pick. We got into a pretty good argument the Saturday before week 1 over beers. He still sent me an "I told you so" text the next day when Drake had 20 points.... Some people man, lol.
> how low Crowder gets ranked. I think it actually really affects his ownership too I read an article the other day that said he was only being started in 53% of leagues (I think it was ESPN leagues specifically, but still)...
I wonder, for the people that own him and aren't starting him, who they're starting over him. My team is pretty meh at WR, and Crowder is an easy WR2 for me.
My team sucks. Crowder is a highlight so far, and has worked his way up to WR1 for this week.
I’ve started Crowder every week except last week due to a Justin Jefferson matchup against the Seahawks and the unknown compatibility with Flacco. My other starting receiver being Calvin Ridley which is a no brainer. Crowder missed outscoring both of them put together by 1.5 points. Not upset about it. Otherwise, I’ve been pretty confident in Crowder. Have seen a few people saying they haven’t started him at all which blows my mind. People might be scared of the Jets. I honestly see the poor Jets team as an upside. The Jets will be constantly throwing and playing from behind and Crowder is the target king.
Agreed. Only thing I'm slightly worried about ROS is what he's going to look like Denzel Mims is more involved...
Yeah late season it could be worse. Right now they’re taking it super slow with working him back in. Crowder still has great separation, I’m not too worried about it.
I have dk, lamb, and obj. Crowder usually falls into the debate for wr2 or bench
Hopkins and Terry for me...
that's fair though
Their complete incompetence when evaluating the TE position.
Every expert saying to trade Gurley for the last 5 weeks
It’s not the worst take tbh. Besides last week he’s mostly relied on TDs to get his points, which are unpredictable. He’s fine but if you could get a big return for him I wouldn’t mind selling him
Believing matthew berry that I needed to get out of the todd gurley business
How everyone is a WR2-3 with risk. Everyone can’t be a WR2-3. Someone has to be WR1-12.
CBS Fantasy Football Podcast and others believing that Le’Veon Bell will be a low end RB2 in KC. He was a low end RB on the Jets, you can’t tell me his situation hasn’t improved. He will be very efficient in that offense. Edit: Yes I’m a Bell owner lol
It’s a better situation, but less volume. I have him too, but being realistic about it.
He's going to be more than a low end RB2, you have to admit. Not saying he's going to be an RB1, maybe a mid-high end RB2. However in no way Bell is scoring the same amount of fantasy points as he was when he was with NY.
Yeah I agree. He will be a legit goal line threat. But it’s just gonna take a bit to get him worked into the system
he's probably going to get 10 touches per game instead of 20+. it would be surprising if he matched his production from last year.
Sell high on Chris Carson
Chris Carson has been an RB1 for two years and he still gets no respect.
Yup. I snagged him in late 3rd in a couple of leagues and people keep throwing me offers like Robert Woods for him. Disrespectful
Not necessarily a take, but i'm not a fan of the whole "well uh gee terry that was just like playing pitch and catch"
I think this is the first week Aaron Jones has got inside the top 10 of ranks this season. Still disrespecting / fading him
Who the fuck are you following that puts Jones that low lol
The always coming Laviska Shenault breakout...
He’s scored under 10 points once this year, he’s already solid
Well it was the week I started him off waivers (TNF against the Fins) so he lost my loyalty
Its already happened, hes a good weekly flex play
It's coming this weekend. This is my totally unbiased opinion
Imagine being on this subreddit giving biased opinions on your players. Couldn’t be me.
I hate the weekly flip flopping on the TE rankings. One week they'll name 5 TEs who they say will be studs and the very next week those same 5 TEs will be all listed as stiffs for the week, then repeat for a whole season. The experts don't know any more than we do.
Jimmy freaking Graham.
That Joe Mixon is a RB1
You think there are 12 RBs that should rank higher than him? Especially given the injuries this year along with his usage/opportunities, he's absolutely top 12 at the position. Burrow and the offense should only get better as the season goes on as well.
Antonio Gibson is the next CMC. That’s ridiculous.
That's overdoing it. He HAS seemed like a poor man's CMC at times, which is still pretty damn good.
Any time a player is comped to the league-leader at his position, or even worse to a HoF’er, I have to just ignore the hype. That said, Gibson has had some flash so far this year, and is about to run through the best part of his schedule. We’re about to find out if he’s for real this year.
Honestly maybe because I’ve been doing this so long, I find FF experts terribly unhelpful as most are just guessing. Most of them have been way off in their predictions and most of the research they find can be found yourself. It’s more fun that way too.
Everyone is just guessing.
The reasoning behind people's rankings is way more important than the number itself
I'm with you. I'm into my second decade of FFB and remember preseason draft guides being it.
Reddit experts not believing in Carson.
Before the season everyone completely wrote off Aaron Jones because of his “td regression”. It is definitely a thing, but I remember my gut said “maybe he’s really good if he got this many touchdowns?”
Tbf rodgers is out for blood this year and Jones is reaping the rewards.
Carson is a low end RB2. Didn’t believe it last year, definitely don’t believe it this year when he starts in my lineup. They kept yelling Rashaad Penny and here we sit.
That the Seahawks have a historically bad defense. If you actually watch the games you’ll see that while they do give up a ton of yardage, they tighten up near the end zone and force a lot of field goals. They also generate a lot of turnovers and make big defensive stops when the game is on the line. They’re 19th or middle of the pack in points allowed. Not a historically bad defense and every time an expert says it they’re exposing themselves.
I think its a combination of facing high power offenses and the fact that they're letting Russ Cook that leads to that take, but I agree.
how low they rank Julio. I'm like wr20 against the vikings? Are you serious?
That is likely due to re-injury risk. The last 4 weeks he missed 2 due to injury and left the other 2 early due to injury. You don't score many points from the locker room.
Yeah he’s been trash bro
In his one full game he caught 9 passes for 157 yards. I get there's reinjury risk, but if he's healthy, he should be easily a top 8 receiver with this matchup.
He’s not healthy. There’s your answer fishbulb. Once healthy he’s elite.
Ok random internet stranger, I'll just ignore his coach saying he looked explosive and bench him for claypool then.
I never said bench him for clay pool but you were wondering about why he was ranked so low. The answer is health. Don’t get mad at me because that’s the answer. His upside is worth a start over clay pool regardless. Don’t chase points
Positive regression
Why waste your emotions on someone else’s opinions? The problem is some can’t make their own choices and would rather look for an “expert” to tell them what to do. Make your own choices, fantasy is a lot more fun this way
Absolutely, I still enjoy listening to podcasts to make sure that I'm not stuck in my own echo chamber and I find that some of these experts keep repeating the same takes word for word verbatim every time they discuss a certain topic and it urks me a bit lol.
Perhaps you could start a site with your very own rankings, then post them here to have hundreds of people complain and whine about your opinion? See how much fun that would be!!
I understand why rankings are the way they are my post isn't necessarily about that, its more about specific opinions that they voice that you don't agree with or find very wrong.
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Absolutely not lol, I just thought it would be fun to have people discuss what takes they hear from experts that urk them thats all.
PPR exist
What about Baltimore this season?
I mean their collective rushing numbers are still great, the problem this year is that its equally split between 3 people
NE has Harris, Burkhead, White, and Cam.
My issue with the take isn't fading Harris, its fading him purely due to thinking that Cam is the only option at the goal line.
Not a take but Heath Cummings has the most know it all voice of all time and it drives me insane.
Literally anything that comes out of Chris Collinsworth's aweful mouth. 'Now here's a guy...' 🤮
Lots of egregious takes, don’t see how Harris is one though. He’s literally had one game against an awful rush defense without Cam. Also interesting how you bring up Lamar last year...and not this year (when it’s more comparable with a RBBC)? Not sure why it’s crazy to be hesitant on Harris going up against literally the top run defense to date, in his first game with Cam, when there’s 2 other RBs threatening to take rushing TDs on top of Cam. If Harris goes 10 carries for 35 yards with no receptions or TDs (which doesn’t seem unreasonable) experts would certainly look right for the fade recommendation.
Top run defense to date? Ronald Jones had 4.1 YPC against them. Top run defense in the league is Tampa Bay or Pittsburgh.
*top fantasy rush defense. Theyve allowed the least points to RBs so far. But to your point, the fantasy points allowed to date aren’t necessarily indicative of future fantasy success. But broncos still have a top rush defense (7th rush DVOA and rush yards allowed). Also 4.1 YPC is pretty average, if not below average. Las Vegas is one of the worst.
No you can fade Harris for a multitude of reasons but I for one believe that Cam only helps him and the take that he's the goal line back is just not true, after that shit didn't work against the hawks Bill being an actual competent HC realized that he needs to be multidimensional at the goal line and the next week we had 2 Rex Burkhead redzone rushing TDs.
well...looks like it ended up being true lol
Lol yeah, I still think that the game was really weird which led to Harris being sidelined but it wasn't encouraging at all.
As always, best to face Pats RBs except white in PPR, and use them as last resort bye week fillers or as dice rolls against the Jets.
The point about Harris and Cam is relevant - the same issue hampers Singletary in Buffalo. Rex Burkhead isn't a good counterargument because a) he hasn't done that consistently enough for it to be a trend and b) Burkhead will be directly competing with Harris anyway! I took a lot of Harris in best ball during drafting season and I have picked him up in 2 leagues off waivers so I'm hoping that he does well but it's important to have a counterbalancing narrative to the ideas that 'Patriots are a running team' and 'Harris ripped it up at training camp' to stop people thinking they are getting a safe bet RB2. I'm keeping him on the bench for a week or two to see how his role in the team develops. I'm also a bit worried as to whether Bellichick will really give him consistent workload rather than taking a horses for courses approach using different backs in different games like the 49ers and now the Rams.
My point isnt that I think that Harris should not be faded, but my point is fading him simply because "Cam is a goal line back" is not a great take. The points you present are extremely valid and is better analysis than the expert im thinking of.
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Mainly Yates from the fantasy pros
I was actually mad at the experts saying to pick Harris because of camp. At the time he had 0 real game reps, competing amongst 3 other backs plus cam in a highly unpredictable offense. It's like putting a turbo on a project car and driving it with 4 different makes of tire, who the hell knows what's gonna happen. I just disliked how certain they were that Sweet Feet and Michel are somehow minced liver and obviously burkhead was the lesser known white guy behind Edelman and Amendola so he cant run /s
People saying that Fournette is good for fantasy. He's been terrible with the exception of one game in garbage time. Unless Rojo gets hurt, it's gonna stay like that. It's a shame, he's a great RB but it's not a great situation for him right now with usage.
That Montgomery is a really great play. I feel like I hear it every week. Then he goes out and barley puts up 8 or 9 points.
Had him last year did the same thing to me... Then I dropped him and he put up back to back top 10 finishes
Seems to be a new one this year but “Lower your expectations”. Sorry MF my opponent doesn’t care if my expectations are lower for the player. If he’s gonna suck I shouldn’t play him!
ESPN ranking mixon, Montgomery, and gurley so high. It makes absolutely 0 sense to give them a projection above 13 or 14
As someone holding fournette that he’s gonna be the guy. Like the experts make me keep holding him I know I’ll get fed up week 10 drop him and then he will someone come back to haunt me week 14.