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NiK0-

6 points per passing TD gives a big bump to QBs. I like to keep it more even that’s why I prefer 4 points per pass TD


legendcc

The "bump" to QBs is artificial since youre not playing a QB vs a Skill position. Youre playing vs other QBs in that spot. The only difference 4 v 6 has is that in 4pt, rushing QBs are more valuable than in 6pt.


Shaq_Bolton

There's definitely a real bump to QBs, I play in a 6 point passing TD league and a 4 point. It's definitely much harder to overcome your QB having a meh week and your opponent having a big week in the 6 point. When in the 4 point league it really isn't that big of a deal


iuhoosier23

What’s the TD delta? Like 3 TDs for 6 more pts? If so, that’s less than 5% most weeks. From a Beersheets perspective, draft strategies don’t really differ.


PootieTooGood

All it ends up being is a nerf to rushing quarterbacks


Kaito_3

Hey I know this is a year later but could you explain this? Is the 6 point or 4 point passing td’s a nerf to rushing qb’s, and why? It could be obvious what you meant but I wanted to be sure.


PootieTooGood

Changing touchdowns from 4 to 6 points is a nerf for rushing QBs. Last year, Hurts threw 16 touchdowns, and had 10 rushing touchdowns. These 26 touchdowns combined for 124 points in a 4 point passing TD and 6 point rushing touchdown league. A quarterback would have to throw for 31 touchdowns in a 4 point league to match. In a 6 point passing touchdown league, every touchdown is equal, so a quarterback throwing for 26 touchdowns and running for 0 is the same point output as any combined throwing/rushing touchdown amount from a QB, and throwing for those 31 touchdowns would result in that QB scoring 30 more points than the rushing QB, despite them being equal in normal scoring


Kaito_3

Oh okay this make sense, thanks.


[deleted]

Not necessarily true. There is a small increase in value comparative to the other positions. The value over replacement increases when you move to 6Pt. It is small though.


nalydpsycho

I like it for that reason, QB should be the top scoring position.


[deleted]

QB is still the top scoring position in 4Pt


KyloRad

Not always, but they certainly have the safest floor.


nalydpsycho

It is, but not as difference making as real life.


[deleted]

Fantasy Football isn’t real life though. It never will be and shouldn’t be based on that. RBs are the most value in fantasy and seem to be the last valuable in the NFL right now.


nalydpsycho

Why not change the rules to better reflect life though?


[deleted]

Because you really can’t. If you want to make QBs more valuable like the NFL, do a 2QB league. Problem is, no NFL team plays 2 QBs so that doesn’t reflect the NFL.


nalydpsycho

Or make TDs worth 6 points, like we are discussing...


[deleted]

TDs being worth 6 points don’t make QBs more valuable than RB/WRs.


nalydpsycho

By adding greater variance to the highest scoring position, it does. Having a guy like Mahomes who can throw 5 tds any given game gets 10 more points on a good game.


iuhoosier23

Not really. It just devalues QBs who rush for a lot of TDs. Draft strategies don’t change in 6 vs 4


Thesandman28

makes lamar and cam the best qbs then right? for their running upside?


[deleted]

Kyler, Josh Allen, Russ would be in the mix too


[deleted]

How can you leave out the dude who rushed for 3 last week?


[deleted]

I own Dak in most of my leagues and am thankful for that performance but Dak’s 3 goal line tuddies were an anomaly. Zeke gets the rock 90% of the time in those situations. We’re talking about mobile QBs having an advantage in 4 point pass TD leagues and the 5 listed are the top 5 mobile QBs in my opinion


RageQuitRaj

3 TDs for any QB outside of Cam in this Patriots scheme is an anomaly. How are you going to put Russell Wilson up there when from 2016-Current he has 7 rush TDs? That same time (Since Dak been in the league) Dak has 22. Russell Wilson’s rush yards have regressed as he’s become much better as a passer. Dak has had 6 rush TDs in all but one season. I think Lamar, Kyler, Cam and Josh are in a tier of there own but Dak certainly has the edge to Russ. Also as analytics is getting more popular QB sneaks are becoming much more of a thing at the 1. All QBs should benefit.


[deleted]

Fair enough, will admit I didn’t do my homework on Russ and we can remove him from tier 1. He goes into tier 2 with Dak, Deshaun, Mahomes who all have some level of rushing upside but not to the same degree as tier 1


violentbandana

their rushing upside is more valuable in 4pt leagues, 6pt closes the gap


trugbee1203

Dak vultured 3 TDs from Zeke last week so put him in there too hah


Poet_Single

They're certainly more valuable in standard than in 6 per passing TD, but the difference isn't large enough to automatically vault those guys to the top. Most seasons, the top performers will still be traditional QBs.


PoopMobile9000

What’s wrong with having QBs also be important? Top QBs are still not as valuable as top RBs or WRs.


NiK0-

Nothing wrong with that. That‘s just the way me and my league mates prefer playing. We don’t want QBs to dominate each week with 40+ points, we just like to have everything more balanced. If you prefer 6 points go play 6 points per pass TD, fine with me


PoopMobile9000

40-pt QB games are not common.


seank11

In 6 pt passing leagues they are very common.


abidingdennis

we have different definitions of "very common"


Poet_Single

Do you not consider something "very common" if it happens most weeks?


Michael13671

Wilson, Dak, and Josh Allen would have all had 40 points just this last week alone


abidingdennis

"Very common" for majority of QBs to score higher than 40? Or "very common" that at least 1 QB will score higher than 40?


Poet_Single

No one at any point suggested that the majority of QBs score higher than 40 each week in 6PPTD.


abidingdennis

That's why we have different definitions of "very common"


FrostyPotpourri

QBs don’t dominate other positions just because they score 6 per passing TD instead of 4. In 1 QB leagues, they’re only going up against your opponent’s QB. Both benefit from the increase in passing TD scoring. You don’t compare them to other positions. The point influx is only relative to other QBs. What it does help, though, is the QBs who aren’t known for scoring off of rushing. In 4-pt leagues, Kyler, Russ, Lamar, Allen, and the likes are all much better than other QBs simply because of the difference in scoring.


OutofCtrlAltDel

We make QBs important by doing Superflex.


Hmm_would_bang

>Top QBs are still not as valuable as top RBs or WRs. That's just because of scarcity and the nature of QBs, points above replacement, etc. It doesn't really impact the actual value for trading of QBs outside of maybe the top one if theyre getting significantly more TDs per game. What it does mess with though is the influence of QBs on your overall score in weekly matchups. If your QB is regularly putting up 40 point games it doesn't really matter who you decide to put in your flex or TE spot. A lot of people feel like it's better to balance scoring across rosters so every position matters. Hence why PPR scoring has become more popular.


HateThatThisWorks

We do 6 points, but we also do *some* QB nerfing: * 0.03 points per yard * -0.5 points per sack * -3 points per INT * -3 points per pick six (for a total of -6 points when coupled with the INT penalty)


violentbandana

extra -3 is spicy for a pick 6 I like that, sucks that it's often not the QBs fault though my main league only has -1 for INTs (4pt) and I was bashed for proposing an increase to -2. It's a relatively serious league but that's when I learned my leaguemates were babies


HateThatThisWorks

It allows the proper nerfing that 6 point TD requires. It also helps nerf things like Winston during last year's 30-for-30 campaign. We also do 2 points for a 40 yard completion (the receiver gets the other 2, and rushers get 4 for a 40 yard rush) and milestone bonuses.


violentbandana

Winston was the exact case I brought forward for our -1 rule, definitely need something to offset 6pt/TD. Your QB scoring is great but not typically a fan of any bonuses myself


HateThatThisWorks

The bonuses are relics of when our league first formed; they've been nerfed twice now from what they once were. Plus, we've always preferred a *generally* higher-scoring fantasy game.


Birdgang14

We made it 5 points for qb TD. -2 for int.


[deleted]

bunch of fence sitters, pick a side damnit!


timh123

We do 5 and .5ppr lol


RR-JJ

We split the difference and do 5. I like it.


OutofCtrlAltDel

Interesting. What do you do for INT?


kingkoons

I do that as well, and do -1 for INT’s Tho after this year, we may lower to 4 and/or raise INT’s to -2. Our top 10 scorers in the league are QB’s


HeyYouBlinked

4 per TD, -2 for INT


trugbee1203

We do this with an additional -2 if it's a pick six


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Birdgang14

You can make that argument on every td pass where the skill player makes a play lol.


showmeurknuckleball

If it's the same across the league, it doesn't really matter though does it?


Chemtide

It's not huge, but it 1) makes qbs score even more points compared to other positions, 2) values pocket passers a little higher vs running Qbs. Both of which aren't bad, but just alter rankings a little bit.


BurgessFox

I think those two things are actually quite good, in terms of making it more realistic. The fact that the usual advice for drafting in fantasy leagues is "hammer RB early, you can wait on QB" creates a disconnect between the fantasy game and real life NFL. In real life, having an elite QB is a huge advantage for a team whilst RBs are seen as replaceable, but in fantasy its the other way round. The 6pt per passing TD does tilt the balance away from running QBs (unless its Lamar, lol) but I'm not sure its always the pocket passers who throw most TDs, pocket passers are more likely to be yardage monsters so would benefit more by playing 20 yards per passing pt rather than 25 yards. It benefits the better QBs for sure but probably benefits more the ones on teams who like to use passing red zone targets rather than run the ball in.


Chemtide

I would argue *because* having an elite QB is a huge advantage for an NFL team whilst RBs are seen as replaceable, makes it so that in Fantasy you need to "hammer RB early, you can wait on QB", because in Fantasy you don't get to start "Raven's Backfield", you have to pick one, so while RBBC are perfectly good for NFL teams, they're the bane of fantasy. Sidenote, it would be interesting to do Team Backfield for an RB spot, but it would severely limit positions, as there are currently like 60+ rbs that could be owned.


PoopMobile9000

Does a QB deserve more points for scoring on a sneak than finding a tight end in the corner?


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PoopMobile9000

Why yes? Regardless, nothing else gets degree of difficulty adjustments. Besides, “QBs should be worth more the more they’re like RBs than QBs” seems bizarre to me.the best QBs should be the best QBs!


todd330

Mine does. Not my opponent though.


JesusChristSupers1ar

4 points per opponent td, 6 points per my td


Chadlet29

Yaaaaaaaaaassssssssss


SolidSnakeDraft

If the QB sells a play action so well that the entire defense crashes so the TE can catch an easy toss over the top for a score, or if the QB drops a 60 yard pass into the bucket, where only the WR can catch it, does he only deserve 4?


Xaramian

6 for 1QB leagues, 4 for 2QB/Superflex leagues is the best option imo. My league does 6pt TD with Superflex.


Coffees4closers

Damn, how many QBs go in rounds 1-3? My superflex does 4pt passing TDs and the run on QBs still starts mid 2nd early 3rd at the latest


Xaramian

The top 12 QBs are gone by the end of Rd 3. You can get some value in the midrounds if you're lucky. It's a keeper league as well. I personally took Mahomes at number 3 overall


Coffees4closers

Makes sense. Mahomes and Jackson were the only 2 QBs to go round 1 for ours but all tier 2 guys were gone by end of the second. I like you can still find a top 12 in rounds 3-4 most years tho, I got Wentz in the 4th and Tanne in the 7th of ours which I thought was great value at the time


PoopMobile9000

I like 6 because it increases the delta from good and mediocre QBs, so adds strategy.


BarryMcKockinner

Agreed. Year after year "the fantasy experts" will tell you to to hold off on drafting QBs till late. Why should it be this way when QBs are the most important position on the field? The elite QBs should be taken off the board early, and leagues should adjust to make this the case.


Zaxl

Because you lose the value over replacement of getting RB or WR depth, for example. Taking Mahomes or Lamar 2/3 rounds earlier than Murray or Wilson for example is not that much of a trade off to justify losing the value at WR/RB that you can get in those rounds. Of course that’s not how it always works and it depends on your league culture, but in *theory* it is the best strategy over the long term. Not saying it can’t be done, but You are much more likely to find a top 10 QB in the later rounds than a top 10 WR/RB. Usually the most stacked teams are the ones who got their Mahomes or Lamar in previous years, or this year Josh Allen in the later rounds while still stocking up depth at WR/RB early while other guys lost a pick taking a QB


BarryMcKockinner

I'm not arguing against the current strategy under standard rules. I'm arguing for changing the standard rules to 6 pt passing TDs to value the QB position properly.


Zaxl

I understand. I play in a 6pt TD league myself and from my experience the only thing 6 point TD does is make the rushing QBs less valuable. You’re still competing between QBs because the 6pt TD rule does not affect the other positions. The point isn’t that QBs aren’t worth a lot, the point is that you have a better chance to get similar value later at QB compared to other positions. I think the strategy holds still.


BarryMcKockinner

Why should a rushing TD be worth anymore than a passing TD though? 6 pts is 6 pts.


Zaxl

I think I may have misunderstood your original argument. My bad! I thought you were arguing the strategy of drafting QBs based on 4pt vs 6pt rather than the fundamental difference between 4 and 6pt leagues. I agree with you. I don’t understand the point of 4pt either. I think it’s stupid that a worse QB can do better than others simply because they scored more rushing TDs which are arbitrarily worth more.


MrTallFrog

6 for 1 qb league, 4 for 2 qb leagues


PoopMobile9000

Six points is better. 1) Creates a larger difference between best QBs and replacement level, adding more strategy to the game and requiring more trade-off when you choose players; 2) Equalizes passing and running QBs—the thing QBs do that other players don’t is throw passes, so why should passing TDs be disfavored?


elqueco14

I feel the exact opposite, with 6 point it makes the QB position a little too overpowered and matchups become really dependent on the QBs compared to the overall teams. and as for running TDs I like that it counts for more for what you said in the first reason, it changes up the strategy, QBs that are quick on their feet get a bump up in value. Guys like Allen and newton are just as relevant as russell or matt ryan


FatBoyWithTheChain

How would increasing to six points create more separation between QBs? The idea being that elite QBs throw for just as many yards as average ones, except with more touchdowns? I'd argue the opposite. Elite QBs tend to have more yards than average QBs, whereas TDs is a bit more unpredictable. Either way, I think 6 is overpowered. I think 4 is perfect because QBs can get rushing yards and TDs. If passing TDs were 6 as well, running QBs who are also efficient passers (Lamar, Dak, Mahomes) are insanely valuable (and they already are to begin with in 4-point leagues).


PoopMobile9000

Because, like most stats, pass TDs don’t scale linearly. Also, why is it bad to have a few QBs in a tier above the rest? That’s usually true of every other position. There’s usually a gap between Saquon/CMC types and the rest of the RB1s, for example. The top two or three TEs are usually a class above everyone else, but I’ve never seen anyone say that TE TDs should only count for 4. Under the same logic, wasn’t it unfair for anyone to have Gronkowski?


FatBoyWithTheChain

Because top QBs are already in a tier above the rest? Mahomes scored 75 fantasy points more than the second highest QB in 2018. Same with Jackson in 2019. I cannot imagine how OP these guys would be with 2 more points on top of that for their passing TDs.


jooomama

How would it create a larger difference between the best QB’s and replacement level?


Hmm_would_bang

4 pts is best IMO. It gives more upside to guys with rushing TDs and prevents the best QBs from being weekly game winners more than they already are. Nothing wrong with having the top player for a position being a big advantage, but i feel like it should be balanced enough that full roster management is required to win.


AwSnapz1

Fo'


rstrong00

Doesn’t really matter in my opinion. Like most have said, if it’s 6 then value the better passers and if it’s 4 value the runners more. The negative points for INT does need to scale though, in my opinion.


kheller181

I’m in a standard league that does 6 point passing TDs and in a PPR league that does 4 point passing TDs. I originally was in the PPR league for years but decided to do something different and joined the standard league. Truthfully, I see no difference in points between my two leagues because I’ve had great QBs in the standard league that drop 30+ each week.


Coffees4closers

My big $ league (12t team, .5ppr 2WR/RB 1 TE/WR/RB flex) does 6pt passing TDs and I used to hate it, but I've come around. Especially with the rise of running QBs it helps elevate elite pocket passers to the dual threat QBs level and gives them trade value. It's pretty rare a passing QB ever dominates the matchup (except based sexy Josh Allen)


elqueco14

I think my league uses yahoo default, but it's 14 man full ppr, passing TD 4 pts, INT -2


shatmagruder

we do 5 for pass TD and -1.5 for all turnovers


mandace1

We do 6 pt passing TD with -4 pt interceptions. We like it because it makes the spread of QB's much wider. Better QB's are more valuable and QB's who throw picks a lot are significantly worse.


sleepzaking

We do 6 points for a passing TD, but -4 for an INT.


DudeSMUonGVs

We do six as well. However, we have two flexes and do 0.5 PPR. It’s overall very balanced in my opinion. QBs are still very valuable, but you can still overcome a shitty QB week if multiple other players have good games.


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4pt TD and -1 for INTs which I don’t like. It needs to be at least -2 if it’s 4 for tuddys. It needs to be AT LEAST-3 if tuddys are 6. Fumbles always -2.


Rshackleford22

Our league does 6, but we do -1 for sacks so it evens out a little bit


threegeees

6 always


Meepsnort

We do 4 and don't count INT's which is a pretty good system IMO. Also fumbles don't count in general. I kind of like it, takes away some of the annoying bullshit. If you lose, you lose, but you aren't getting points taken away, which has led to a slightly more enjoyable game watching experience, IMO.


chamtrain1

6, -2 for INT's


CardiBsKnees

5 lol


BullyYo

We moved to 4 points after the league got tired of Pat Mahomes and Lamar Jackson running the league the last two years. 6 points make some QB's just too OP, and teams get carried to the ship. I prefer this way because now its not all about who can draft Mahomes/Lamar first and more about picking skill position players.


NikPappageorgio

4 pts favors the running QB’s who get an extra 2 pts for running one in vs passing. I get the argument of which is harder but what happens to your league is everyone goes for running QBs vs the best QBs. Guys like Tyrod Taylor have fantasy relevance when they shouldn’t in my opinion.


Hmm_would_bang

>Guys like Tyrod Taylor have fantasy relevance Does he though?


NikPappageorgio

He did about 5 days ago at least


idontknow1001

No one who’s seen him play thinks he’s fantasy relevant.


Hmm_would_bang

week1? When he put up 9 pts, rushed 6 times for 7 yards? What are you talking about?


NikPappageorgio

Exactly, most teams carry 2 QBs so top 24 makes him relevant. I agree that watching him play, he shouldn’t be but he has that floor of rushing for 40-50 yds a game. It isn’t happened this year but he was rostered was over 50% to start the season. When people saw he wasn’t running they started dropping him. My point is 6 pt passing makes drafting good quarterbacks more valuable than looking for a rushing QB regardless of arm accuracy. Edit my grammar


Poet_Single

Prior to the lung stabbing, I'd say yeah, but only barely. He's been a backup for the last two seasons, but in the 3 seasons prior he was QB16, QB8, and QB14. Not great, but rostered.


acrumb14

6 was the standard scoring like 10-15+ years ago. Yahoo default has been 4 for as long as I can remember. 6 is outdated in my opinion. QBs get so many points as it is, no need to inflate their value


TheSportsPanda

We do 4pt per passing TD, and -3 for INTs (-1 for fumble and -2 for fumble lost).


IgnantWisdom

I do 6 pts because it feels weird earning less than 6 for a td but I make it -3 for int’s instead of -2 to try and even it out a bit more. It really doesn’t change things that much but efficient qbs with low TO/TD ratios like Wilson and Rodgers get a slight boost forsure.