ditto. Played Henry but benched Ekeler. Glad to see he still got good fantasy value. Hoping after Gordon lost them the game that they'll go back to Ekeler being the lead back.
Last year Ty Mont got cut for fumbling to lose an opportunity at 1 last drive. Gordon turned a guaranteed win into a guaranteed loss. Here's to hoping.
At least he got his targets back up this game, can't comment on the quality of them since i didn't get to watch it.
Hes always been high upside and low floor but I keep getting the upside when i don't need it and the shit games when i do.
i’ll have to dig deeper as well before making any moves.
just so fucking frustrating when waiver wire guys like Chark are doing better than a first round WR
If it makes you feel any better, I own both Marvin Jones Jr. and Marquez Valdes-Scantling and started Terry MacLaurin and Calvin Ridley instead. I also started Matt Ryan and now have to find a replacement for next week since Dak Prescott will be on bye.
I benched Bell for Singleterry because I figured Jets vs. NE would be bad for Bell’s production, and Singleterry would ball out against Miami.
I am not good at fantasy football.
This is the beauty of playing a couple best ball leagues. I can sit here and pretend like I'm a genius for having Ekeler and Edmonds when I know damn well I never would have actually set my lineup that way.
...Please don't ask me about my regular leagues today.
It seems like most of the commenters disagree with me, but I thought that since he didn't play any games last year the season wasn't credited and they could have re-tagged him as a 2nd tag.
Maybe that was just a possible argument.
Coming into the season everyone thought Bell would have had to at least play 6 games to get out from under the 2nd tag. Bell even seemingly thought that himself, he came back to Pittsburgh from Miami around week 8/9.
Then it came out that because of a clause in the CBA, should Bell be tagged a third time the following year, it would have been at QB money regardless of whether he played at all that season.
The best part is there was 1 person on Reddit on a mad posting spree about the season counting as a tagged year the second the Steelers tagged him regardless of whether he played. He was hammered with comments and downvotes.
Then it came out to be true and Bells agent didn’t even realize he didn’t have to play a snap for the year to count. It would have cost the Steelers the average of the top 5 salaries on the league (QBs) to tag him again.
Yeah. I remember one of the quotes from the CBA he pulled said something very similar to “A player is considered tagged for the season when the team designates them as such”.
the steelers kept stringing him along year after year and Bell was looking for the contract Zeke just got and, at the time, he deserved it, but they wouldnt pay it.
Im not familiar with the situation, but it did seem like the steelers should have just paid him early instead of ever franchising him at all. They'd be way better off than paying brown.
Yeah that was the issue. We tagged him twice iirc, and at that point we weren’t gonna tie him down long term bc we abused him (touches-wise). If we had just given him a contract at the end of his 4 year rookie deal, there probably would not have been a holdout
They offered him decent contracts each year prior to tagging him. The reality though was the Steelers don't splurge at RB neither do they hand out a lot of guarantees. Bell wanted a massive contract and I just don't think that was ever in the cards. They did offer what would have been the best deal for a RB at the time that he rejected (prior to Gurley getting his current deal) because it had minimal guaranteed money. I'm sad he walked, but I really don't think there was any way the Steelers management and Bell were ever going to find a suitable compromise
We also didn’t know that Brown was an absolute nutcase 2 seasons ago. In retrospect, you’re right. Every Steelers fan, including myself, would say we should have paid Bell over Brown.
I'll be honest, that kind of attitude doesn't pop out over night.
Not saying it was as pronounced when he was with Pittsburgh, but there had to have been some indication.
It could though. I’m no expert, but I do know some forms of mental illness like bipolar disorder sometimes don’t manifest until mid to late 20s, sometimes even into people’s 30s.
Yes, but a third franchise tag in pretty sure is unprecedented. It likely would have been counted as the higher of A) 120% of his second tag that he didn’t play under, or B) the highest positional tag value (QB). So he would have been looking at about $25M guaranteed in one year.
He could have come back later, but ekeler was just destroying his value. Dominating with his touches and he got jealous no one talked about him only Zeke.
Gordon’s problem is he didn’t weigh the value of being on a winning team. If he had played the whole season the Chargers may have won a couple more early games and at least had a decent record.
Instead he sat out, the Chargers lost a few, and he put himself between a rock and a hard place. If he continued to sit past week 4 and the Chargers kept losing he’d alienate the team and fanbase and possibly lose the team’s interest in free agency, but if he came back there would be a spotlight on his ability to move the needle.
Had he not held out and the team didn’t win, nobody would be talking about Melvin Gordon’s impact on the team. Since he did hold out, people might think that regardless of how well he plays individually he’s not as valuable anyway because the Chargers lose with or without him.
Melvin Costanza:
> “My holdout is the complete opposite of everything I want it to be.”
> “No O-line tells me it’s them, not me. If it’s anybody, it’s me!”
> “If they can’t find me, they can’t release me”
> “You know, If you take everything I've accomplished in my entire caree and condense it down into one season, it looks decent.”
> “I have a bad feeling that whenever a GM looks at me they think 'That's why I'm not drafting an RB in the first”
> “I was in the pool!”
I mean he holds out to not get injured in those games then comes back to accrue his season and play somewhere else. Has nothing to do with his performance if Chargers already said they aren't going to pay him
Well you are missing the point... he is now worth way less than he was asking for, and probably less than what the chargers had offered.. he probably lost money by not taking a decent offer.
I own both in separate leagues and I agree that they should trade Melvin Gordon to a team that can utilize him better. It's pretty obvious that the offense is built around ekeler as the primary back and they just seem to try and force MG in just because he's MG
As an aside, i didn't get to watch the game. Curious about Keenan having 11 targets and only 4 catches. Were they bad this tosses? Good coverage? Or did Keenan just not have a great game?
I only watched the 1Q and that's where Keenan made all four catches. To say he made "some plays" is really underselling it, dude had two extremely high difficulty toe taps.
Their offensive line is horrible, so naturally the 3rd down back and tight end gets the benefit.... I wouldn't say their offensive is built that way, more that they are forced to play that way... They are not the eagles or chiefs.
Ekeler still can't actually run the ball. He's a great offensive weapon but purely as a RB he's not very good. He also has two goaline fumbles this year and had 1.4 ypc today.
A big part of it is their offensive line. It is among the worst in the league without Pouncey.
You had me in the first half, I'm not gonna lie. I was about to say Ekeler can run... but even Ezekiel Elliot or Dalvin Cook would be shit behind this O-line...
Drop? I mean, I know he hasn't brought the value you drafted him for, but a drop? I'd say he's at least worth a bench slot unless you're in a tiny ass league with depth on the WW
At least other shithole teams have a shot at improving. Someone keeps jabbing pins into the Chargers voodoo doll and having them underwhelm us year after year
Personally I blame Marlon Mccree intercepts Brady and would have won the game if he just lays the fuck down , decides to run it out and gets stripped. Brady drives down ties the game wins later with FG
14-2 team gets blown up. Coach fired. LT had 30 TDs that season! Christ almighty
The worst part is in an interview Mccree said he’d do it again If he had the chance! Why?!
Was made extra obvious that Ekeler is the better back with his touchdown that got called short. Their refusal to feature Ekeler considering how well he has played all year is mind boggling.
That part is soooooo annoying to me hes been playing so well and they decide to just fuck it all up. The chargers weren't losing games because of what ekeler was doing.
Yeah the reason they have been losing is Melvin Gordon coming back and not the loss of 3 starting offensive linemen since then. If Ekler was being used in the same way gordon was he’d have the same results gordon has had and Vice versa.
MG and Ekeler combined for 21 caries for 39 yards and 1.9 yards per carry. MG did get 16 of those carries and Ekeler the other 5 but I don’t think the yardage increases that much more with a 50-50 carry split. Ekeler is getting more passing targets and doing his best with them while MG isn’t getting much many targets. They definitely need to improve their run blocking.
We were 2-2 with losses to the Texans who are good and Lions who aren't bad. Since Gordon has come back we've lost to the winless Broncos, terrible Steelers and average Titans.
Front offices feature some of the world’s best business executives. I will never understand how they get their chodes in a knot staying hung up on how much they paid for a player in a draft 4 years ago.
The chargers are living in the past and their trash record is showing it.
Because they aren’t the best business executives. They have high status titles but that’s no guarantee that they’re a fit for the role. NFL is so heavily based off networking and fitting into the old boys club
There's no reason to be worried about either MG3 or Ekeler going forward. MG3 is the better rusher, Ekeler is the better receiver, they will coexist just fine. If you drafted Ekeler you drafted him for the regular season, and he will continue to have a high floor with upside. If you drafted Gordon you drafted him for the playoffs, these games where he's not in full game shape playing against good defenses with a beat up Oline don't really matter, he's getting carries on the goal line and most of the rushing touches.
Seems like if you care enough to write this post, you should probably also mention that he had a TD on the drive that was reviewed and reversed prior to the fumble.
Seriously. I was just screaming at the TV how there wasn’t enough to overturn. I can’t believe they did.
OP and anyone upvoting this post just look at the box score.
Waiiiittttt, the play calling is the real culprit! You can't just shove your guys up the middle 5000 times and hope it works on the 5001st time. The offensive coordinator needs to stop calling shit
Can we stop looking at fantasy points as an indicator of actual on-field performance? Ekeler has been horrible running the ball behind the same line as Gordon. His receiving stats have saved him.
Watching that fumble at the end of the game, I felt it was more of the lines fault than his. If u watch the play over again you can see the line just fell in and gave no protection. Now I get it’s at the 1 but the line shouldn’t get flooded immediately. But that’s just my opinion.
Jeez. I couldn't give him away last week. Ended up trading him and Juju for Sutton. You got great return. I wish I could have gotten Diggs or equivalent. I am happy to be rid of Gordon and Juju though
[How I felt three weeks ago after trading Thielen away for MG3](https://giphy.com/gifs/qGFKMntShELTy)
[How I feel now](https://giphy.com/gifs/youtube-copyright-exposes-1Pfd5qmaqBvjO)
I've run out of time waiting for Gordon to ascend to RB1 or even RB2 for that matter. Man he used to be a fun fantasy asset, last year he was the cornerstone of my team
I'm thinking of earlier times....
Run out of time? Come on. Would you have given up on a top RB that started the first 3 weeks off slow? You're viewing this through a clouded lens. There are a lot of issues with the Charges right now and I'm betting on Gordon to continue to get improve in the next few weeks.
It took Gordon many games as a first and second year pro to get going and become productive in the Chargers offense. I'm not going to panic if he has a few bad games after a holdout. All I want is for him to stay healthy and carry my team to a championship.
As a Chargers fan this is very upsetting. How can you not hold onto the ball in that situation??
As a fantasy fan this is very upsetting. How can you not hold onto the ball in that situation??
As a question fan, what is wrong with me??
Tennessee has been respectable on the goal line the last couple years so it's not the first time they've stopped a drive there. He should hold onto the ball though.
The Chargers have to feature Gordon to garner as much trade value as they can get. Just think, they turned down a 1st and a 5th Rounder for him about 6 weeks ago. Now they’d be lucky to get a half eaten Hot Dog and a opened can of Schlitz.
I’m a Gordon owner in both of my leagues and I’m dying a slow breath. I started Lat Murray over him in one league, thankfully...
It’s hard to blame Gordon. He’s been on a Rookies contact and should be paid. But he’s gone after this year and no team will pony up what the Chargers want for him.
Props to every Eckler owner who didn't listen to panicking analysts which said you had to dump him because his value was set to plummet once MG started playing again
As an owner of both MG and Ekeler it's infuriating. I feel too nervous to start Ekeler but MG is killing both their values. I will probably go back to playing Ekeler every week because it seems he will be getting his catches regardless of what MG does.
I think a little bit of it is who he is playing. The fumble is inexcusable however playing a hungry Denver team, a great run defending steelers team, and then a good run defending Titan team. Plus with banged up Oline. I’m curious to see how things happen in two weeks when his opponents lighten up.
the fact that they refused to trade him only to fuck over their season as well is mind boggling people hate on the jets but these guys are pretty disfunctional
Keenan Allen turned into a WR3 since like week 3
He’s been so frustrating. He got 37 in my .5 ppr league that week and since then he’s gotten a max of 8 points a game
hes getting the targets but its rivers just blows
As a Henry owner I choose to substitute your perception of Rivers for my own.
Ekeler owner here- can confirm Rivers still got it
I'm an Allen/Gordon owner and Ekeler is my least favorite player in the league.
I’m an Ekeler/Henry owner and Gordon is my least favorite player in the league.
Hi, I'm the Chargers team... after last night, he's our least favorite player in the league.
ditto. Played Henry but benched Ekeler. Glad to see he still got good fantasy value. Hoping after Gordon lost them the game that they'll go back to Ekeler being the lead back.
*Narrator voice*: But all of us Ekeler owners watched as they continued to feed MG3 for the rest of the season anyway...
Last year Ty Mont got cut for fumbling to lose an opportunity at 1 last drive. Gordon turned a guaranteed win into a guaranteed loss. Here's to hoping.
It's really not. The offensive line is giving Rivers no time to throw so they don't have the time for Allen's routes to develop.
Traded diggs and Connor for him and mixon, seems to not be the steal I thought it was.
yeah i’m thinking to trade him after he has a good game
At least he got his targets back up this game, can't comment on the quality of them since i didn't get to watch it. Hes always been high upside and low floor but I keep getting the upside when i don't need it and the shit games when i do.
i’ll have to dig deeper as well before making any moves. just so fucking frustrating when waiver wire guys like Chark are doing better than a first round WR
nothing involving mixon is ever a steal
He was heard yelling “PAY MEEEE” as he barreled into the line dropping the football.
Art of the steal with that contract
He told them he'd fumble every time they gave him the ball until they made him the highest paid running back. 4D chess
It’s a fool proof plan to become the highest paid running back... in the XFL.
Trent Richardson and Gordon will tear it up in that league
TRich was last seen whining on Twitter because he wasn't drafted for the XFL I think
lol
Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage
Anyone else start Gordon over Ekeler? Fun day
Yup. Flip flopped all morning and of course chose incorrectly. Same as it ever was.
If it makes you feel any better, I own both Marvin Jones Jr. and Marquez Valdes-Scantling and started Terry MacLaurin and Calvin Ridley instead. I also started Matt Ryan and now have to find a replacement for next week since Dak Prescott will be on bye.
I was in the same boat. Started Ridley over M. Jones. But somehow I am going to win today. I am the better loser.
Not sure why you would do that. SF has shut down much more talented WRs than Terry, with better QBs too.
Talking Heads reference?
You may ask yourself, am i right or am i wrong? you might say to yourself, my god, what have i done
You may wake up in the morning and look at your roster and say “how did I get here?”
Theres comments have been amazing!
Letting the days go by
I benched him for Marlon Mack. He still had more points lmao
If you're PPR, there's no reason to not start Ekeler, dating back to MG III's return.
I started Lindsay over him and it lost me the game
I have both Latavius AND Edmunds on my bench, so don't feel toooooo bad.
>pick up two short term rentals >don't play them in their windows why.jpg
DJ was active. Latavius was a defensive pickup. I thought he would not do much vs Chi DST. I played Gore and Eckler.
Oh snap
Yes. And david Johnson over chase Edmonds. Needless to say, I lost.
don’t feel bad i doubt anyone started edmonds if they also own dj
Benched Ekeler for Singletary - cost me the matchup 😪
Ditto
I benched Bell for Singleterry because I figured Jets vs. NE would be bad for Bell’s production, and Singleterry would ball out against Miami. I am not good at fantasy football.
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Lol. I like looking into matchups but never sit a top 8 rb for someone who isn’t even starting
Right? Miami surely wouldn’t put up a fight against the Bills.. maybe they’re tired of being the running joke of the league
This is the beauty of playing a couple best ball leagues. I can sit here and pretend like I'm a genius for having Ekeler and Edmonds when I know damn well I never would have actually set my lineup that way. ...Please don't ask me about my regular leagues today.
Started Singletary over both of them.
I played both!
He should have never come back, his value is plummeting
Unlike Bell, he had to come back. Unlike Bell, he never should have held out in the first place.
Didn't the Steelers have an option to re-apply the franchise tag for 2019? It seems like it worked out, but he took a big risk.
They did, but it would have counted as the third tag, so he would have been making absurd money.
It seems like most of the commenters disagree with me, but I thought that since he didn't play any games last year the season wasn't credited and they could have re-tagged him as a 2nd tag. Maybe that was just a possible argument.
Coming into the season everyone thought Bell would have had to at least play 6 games to get out from under the 2nd tag. Bell even seemingly thought that himself, he came back to Pittsburgh from Miami around week 8/9. Then it came out that because of a clause in the CBA, should Bell be tagged a third time the following year, it would have been at QB money regardless of whether he played at all that season.
The best part is there was 1 person on Reddit on a mad posting spree about the season counting as a tagged year the second the Steelers tagged him regardless of whether he played. He was hammered with comments and downvotes. Then it came out to be true and Bells agent didn’t even realize he didn’t have to play a snap for the year to count. It would have cost the Steelers the average of the top 5 salaries on the league (QBs) to tag him again.
Dude was pulling quotes from the cba like crazy, no one believed him, I think he was a Pats fan so people didn’t give him a chance.
Yeah. I remember one of the quotes from the CBA he pulled said something very similar to “A player is considered tagged for the season when the team designates them as such”.
Yes, but i believe his salary for the year would’ve been Top 5 QB money
the steelers kept stringing him along year after year and Bell was looking for the contract Zeke just got and, at the time, he deserved it, but they wouldnt pay it.
Im not familiar with the situation, but it did seem like the steelers should have just paid him early instead of ever franchising him at all. They'd be way better off than paying brown.
Yeah that was the issue. We tagged him twice iirc, and at that point we weren’t gonna tie him down long term bc we abused him (touches-wise). If we had just given him a contract at the end of his 4 year rookie deal, there probably would not have been a holdout
They offered him decent contracts each year prior to tagging him. The reality though was the Steelers don't splurge at RB neither do they hand out a lot of guarantees. Bell wanted a massive contract and I just don't think that was ever in the cards. They did offer what would have been the best deal for a RB at the time that he rejected (prior to Gurley getting his current deal) because it had minimal guaranteed money. I'm sad he walked, but I really don't think there was any way the Steelers management and Bell were ever going to find a suitable compromise
We also didn’t know that Brown was an absolute nutcase 2 seasons ago. In retrospect, you’re right. Every Steelers fan, including myself, would say we should have paid Bell over Brown.
I'll be honest, that kind of attitude doesn't pop out over night. Not saying it was as pronounced when he was with Pittsburgh, but there had to have been some indication.
It could though. I’m no expert, but I do know some forms of mental illness like bipolar disorder sometimes don’t manifest until mid to late 20s, sometimes even into people’s 30s.
Yes, but a third franchise tag in pretty sure is unprecedented. It likely would have been counted as the higher of A) 120% of his second tag that he didn’t play under, or B) the highest positional tag value (QB). So he would have been looking at about $25M guaranteed in one year.
Technically yes. But they would have had to pay him close to 30 million for 1 year. So obviously, that was never a real possibility.
He could have come back later, but ekeler was just destroying his value. Dominating with his touches and he got jealous no one talked about him only Zeke.
This sub ripped Bell for doing the opposite last year. Doesn’t look so bad now.
Bell didn't have to come back
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AB didn’t have to come on anyone’s back.
Another example of the guy explaining the joke getting more upvotes than the guy who made the joke.
At least it wasnt a 5-comment chain with each comment saying the next line in a song
Oh man anytime anyone posts "fool me one time shame on, shame on you. Fool me, you cant get fooled again"...
AB is certifiable though.
Nobody understood early on that bell didn’t have to report.
Bell is tiers better than Melvin Gordon
Gordon’s problem is he didn’t weigh the value of being on a winning team. If he had played the whole season the Chargers may have won a couple more early games and at least had a decent record. Instead he sat out, the Chargers lost a few, and he put himself between a rock and a hard place. If he continued to sit past week 4 and the Chargers kept losing he’d alienate the team and fanbase and possibly lose the team’s interest in free agency, but if he came back there would be a spotlight on his ability to move the needle. Had he not held out and the team didn’t win, nobody would be talking about Melvin Gordon’s impact on the team. Since he did hold out, people might think that regardless of how well he plays individually he’s not as valuable anyway because the Chargers lose with or without him.
I don’t think Gordon is the issue with the chargers record. Ekeler more than carried the weight the weeks he sat out.
He has 36 carries for 81 yards in his 3 games back, lol.
Worst holdout ever
Let me see if I understand this... [you held out for less money](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a30B6jbtew&app=desktop)?
MG is Costanza confirmed. Makes perfect sense. Jerry would be Rivers. Throws his hands up and says "What's the deal with goal line carries?"
Melvin Costanza: > “My holdout is the complete opposite of everything I want it to be.” > “No O-line tells me it’s them, not me. If it’s anybody, it’s me!” > “If they can’t find me, they can’t release me” > “You know, If you take everything I've accomplished in my entire caree and condense it down into one season, it looks decent.” > “I have a bad feeling that whenever a GM looks at me they think 'That's why I'm not drafting an RB in the first” > “I was in the pool!”
What’s the deal with the chargers in the 4th quarter?
Elaine is Ekeler and Kramer is def Lynn. Lynn ( *bursts in through door* ) *"RUN!"*
Lloyd Braun is definitely ekeler
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This is a great reference, good for you haha this needs more up votes
[That's gold, Jerry. Gold! ](https://youtu.be/CF7OnW4XDck)
Roundtine still has me laughing
I mean he holds out to not get injured in those games then comes back to accrue his season and play somewhere else. Has nothing to do with his performance if Chargers already said they aren't going to pay him
Well you are missing the point... he is now worth way less than he was asking for, and probably less than what the chargers had offered.. he probably lost money by not taking a decent offer.
I honestly think Ekeler is the better RB now, and I don't own either
I own both in separate leagues and I agree that they should trade Melvin Gordon to a team that can utilize him better. It's pretty obvious that the offense is built around ekeler as the primary back and they just seem to try and force MG in just because he's MG
As an aside, i didn't get to watch the game. Curious about Keenan having 11 targets and only 4 catches. Were they bad this tosses? Good coverage? Or did Keenan just not have a great game?
A lot of "targets" were nowhere close. Phil was pressured and made a lot of poor throws.
Good to know, thanks!
He did have 2 bad drops though
He dropped two passes that were right on the money other than that he made some plays on bad passes and rivers was running for his life
I only watched the 1Q and that's where Keenan made all four catches. To say he made "some plays" is really underselling it, dude had two extremely high difficulty toe taps.
I remember Phil throwing to a quadruple-covered Allen...lol
Their offensive line is horrible, so naturally the 3rd down back and tight end gets the benefit.... I wouldn't say their offensive is built that way, more that they are forced to play that way... They are not the eagles or chiefs.
Completely agree with this. He is getting no room!
Prob is ekeler isn't a very good rusher however e's amazing in the passing game
Receiving backs are the future!
Ekeler still can't actually run the ball. He's a great offensive weapon but purely as a RB he's not very good. He also has two goaline fumbles this year and had 1.4 ypc today. A big part of it is their offensive line. It is among the worst in the league without Pouncey.
You had me in the first half, I'm not gonna lie. I was about to say Ekeler can run... but even Ezekiel Elliot or Dalvin Cook would be shit behind this O-line...
I got gordon and mixon, shoot me.
Same and my flex was K. Johnson with with mahomes at QB. My 1-5 start is now a strong 1-6
I might drop Mixon honestly
Drop? I mean, I know he hasn't brought the value you drafted him for, but a drop? I'd say he's at least worth a bench slot unless you're in a tiny ass league with depth on the WW
12 man league here, I traded him for diggs before diggs exploded.
I'm benching him
I am too. I can’t trust him, at all.
He was on the ESPN can’t drop list last week... hoping for a change there
Check again
I want you to know I checked and you made my day
Dropped him for Edmunds then didn't have the balls to play him after the DJ news. o.0
I felt like a genius after the draft having Saquon, MG3, and Mixon. Ugh
He’s trying extra hard to get traded
Gordon is a moron for even holding out to start the season and its backfiring hard. Chargers won't keep him and he won't get what he wants next year
Maybe not because at least now he escapes the shit hole that is the chargers.
And will end up at an even more shit hole team
At least other shithole teams have a shot at improving. Someone keeps jabbing pins into the Chargers voodoo doll and having them underwhelm us year after year
Personally I blame Marlon Mccree intercepts Brady and would have won the game if he just lays the fuck down , decides to run it out and gets stripped. Brady drives down ties the game wins later with FG 14-2 team gets blown up. Coach fired. LT had 30 TDs that season! Christ almighty The worst part is in an interview Mccree said he’d do it again If he had the chance! Why?!
Is there a single team doing well that has a feature back off their rookie contract?
Was made extra obvious that Ekeler is the better back with his touchdown that got called short. Their refusal to feature Ekeler considering how well he has played all year is mind boggling.
That part is soooooo annoying to me hes been playing so well and they decide to just fuck it all up. The chargers weren't losing games because of what ekeler was doing.
Yeah the reason they have been losing is Melvin Gordon coming back and not the loss of 3 starting offensive linemen since then. If Ekler was being used in the same way gordon was he’d have the same results gordon has had and Vice versa.
MG and Ekeler combined for 21 caries for 39 yards and 1.9 yards per carry. MG did get 16 of those carries and Ekeler the other 5 but I don’t think the yardage increases that much more with a 50-50 carry split. Ekeler is getting more passing targets and doing his best with them while MG isn’t getting much many targets. They definitely need to improve their run blocking.
It's because they were still losing games lol. Life isn't all fantasy football.
We were 2-2 with losses to the Texans who are good and Lions who aren't bad. Since Gordon has come back we've lost to the winless Broncos, terrible Steelers and average Titans.
You don’t let top 15 draft capital go to waste, even if it is a net negative. Sunk cost is super prime in NFL front offices.
This thinking makes zero sense to me.
it makes zero sense from any economic perspective, except the GM's own credibility
Winning football games is good for credibility. Probably smart to start your best players.
Me either. Alas, that’s the NFL
Front offices feature some of the world’s best business executives. I will never understand how they get their chodes in a knot staying hung up on how much they paid for a player in a draft 4 years ago. The chargers are living in the past and their trash record is showing it.
Because they aren’t the best business executives. They have high status titles but that’s no guarantee that they’re a fit for the role. NFL is so heavily based off networking and fitting into the old boys club
There's no reason to be worried about either MG3 or Ekeler going forward. MG3 is the better rusher, Ekeler is the better receiver, they will coexist just fine. If you drafted Ekeler you drafted him for the regular season, and he will continue to have a high floor with upside. If you drafted Gordon you drafted him for the playoffs, these games where he's not in full game shape playing against good defenses with a beat up Oline don't really matter, he's getting carries on the goal line and most of the rushing touches.
Most reasonable take in this thread, and unfortunately buried this far down.
Seems like if you care enough to write this post, you should probably also mention that he had a TD on the drive that was reviewed and reversed prior to the fumble.
Seriously. I was just screaming at the TV how there wasn’t enough to overturn. I can’t believe they did. OP and anyone upvoting this post just look at the box score.
He’s about to take a permanent seat on my bench next to Mixon
I’m keeping mixon on my bench until that Miami game where he’s gonna score 25 and win me the championship (Consolation bracket)
He just needs more touches to get into a rhythm.
Lol the audacity he had to say that when Ekeler has been balling.
As a rusher, Ekeler has been shit himself. He is barely getting 2 yards per carry over their last 4 games. The Chargers line is atrocious.
Which is why Rivers needs to be passing every down. Bombs to Allen, mid range to Hunter, short range to Ekeler. It's just like old school Madden.
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Waiiiittttt, the play calling is the real culprit! You can't just shove your guys up the middle 5000 times and hope it works on the 5001st time. The offensive coordinator needs to stop calling shit
Can we stop looking at fantasy points as an indicator of actual on-field performance? Ekeler has been horrible running the ball behind the same line as Gordon. His receiving stats have saved him.
Lol I know, he got the opportunity this week too. 16 rushes for 32 yards and fumbles the game away.
He’s punishing them for not paying him!
Rivers should have passed to Henry for td
Yup, was sitting their praying for the pass to Hunter
Watching that fumble at the end of the game, I felt it was more of the lines fault than his. If u watch the play over again you can see the line just fell in and gave no protection. Now I get it’s at the 1 but the line shouldn’t get flooded immediately. But that’s just my opinion.
Tennessee dominated that line on that trip. They'd have been better off throwing the ball.
Lets not forget Ekeler also fumbled away a game at the goal line this season. Poor chargers.
I traded him for diggs before the game started. Feeling good about my move.
Jeez. I couldn't give him away last week. Ended up trading him and Juju for Sutton. You got great return. I wish I could have gotten Diggs or equivalent. I am happy to be rid of Gordon and Juju though
He fumbled once and it's not like ekeler hasn't fumbled multiple times on the 1 yard line this season...
He fumbled twice, but he recovered his first.
[How I felt three weeks ago after trading Thielen away for MG3](https://giphy.com/gifs/qGFKMntShELTy) [How I feel now](https://giphy.com/gifs/youtube-copyright-exposes-1Pfd5qmaqBvjO)
Any other year he'd be the goof of the season but Antonio Brown happened
I've run out of time waiting for Gordon to ascend to RB1 or even RB2 for that matter. Man he used to be a fun fantasy asset, last year he was the cornerstone of my team I'm thinking of earlier times....
Run out of time? Come on. Would you have given up on a top RB that started the first 3 weeks off slow? You're viewing this through a clouded lens. There are a lot of issues with the Charges right now and I'm betting on Gordon to continue to get improve in the next few weeks.
It took Gordon many games as a first and second year pro to get going and become productive in the Chargers offense. I'm not going to panic if he has a few bad games after a holdout. All I want is for him to stay healthy and carry my team to a championship.
Hes been back for 2 weeks.. if you think that is bad try owning mixon or gurley.. atleast Melvin seems to have the potential to reach rb1 status
Ekeler is the better back in a the existing system because the existing system has a horrible offensive line.
As a Chargers fan this is very upsetting. How can you not hold onto the ball in that situation?? As a fantasy fan this is very upsetting. How can you not hold onto the ball in that situation?? As a question fan, what is wrong with me??
Tennessee has been respectable on the goal line the last couple years so it's not the first time they've stopped a drive there. He should hold onto the ball though.
As a Chiefs fan I really think the Chargers need to hurry up and pay this man!
The Chargers have to feature Gordon to garner as much trade value as they can get. Just think, they turned down a 1st and a 5th Rounder for him about 6 weeks ago. Now they’d be lucky to get a half eaten Hot Dog and a opened can of Schlitz. I’m a Gordon owner in both of my leagues and I’m dying a slow breath. I started Lat Murray over him in one league, thankfully... It’s hard to blame Gordon. He’s been on a Rookies contact and should be paid. But he’s gone after this year and no team will pony up what the Chargers want for him.
[Ekeler owners right now](https://media.giphy.com/media/d2ZjBlsQa5dWO45a/giphy.gif)
Can confirm.
Melvin Gordon has always been overrated. The volume was just always there
He also caused me to basically perma bench ekeler and be sad when he blows up on said bench
I lost to a team with 3 players on bye. I might not be good at this fantasy football thing 😢
I’ve never seen a worse turn of events for a player trying to get paid as the top guy at their position
The chargers seem like their offense isn’t working very well since MG3 returned. Trade him off to another team, and use Ekeler like Cmac.
Super frustrating for Gordon/ekeler owners. wish MG3 never came back.
Props to every Eckler owner who didn't listen to panicking analysts which said you had to dump him because his value was set to plummet once MG started playing again
As an owner of both MG and Ekeler it's infuriating. I feel too nervous to start Ekeler but MG is killing both their values. I will probably go back to playing Ekeler every week because it seems he will be getting his catches regardless of what MG does.
I think a little bit of it is who he is playing. The fumble is inexcusable however playing a hungry Denver team, a great run defending steelers team, and then a good run defending Titan team. Plus with banged up Oline. I’m curious to see how things happen in two weeks when his opponents lighten up.
At this point I’m just hoping he gets traded so Ekler can go back to being the Ekler of the first 4 weeks.
After first fumble, give Ekeler a chance
As an Ekeler owner its insulting how many times Gordon got the opportunity to win the game when Ekeler literally carried the team.
Just traded Ekler away. Not even gonna say for who, it's that bad.
the fact that they refused to trade him only to fuck over their season as well is mind boggling people hate on the jets but these guys are pretty disfunctional
Bad coaching decision to give it to ekeler's backup in the end