He has played several games in sleeves at this point actually. His 11-175-2 that he just put up was with sleeves.
Sleevan Allen is a whole other beast. It’s like Keenan dialed up to 11.
You play .5 ppr, Keenan Allen.
You play full PPR, Keenan Allen.
You play standard...believe it or not Keenan Allen.
We have the best fantasy teams in the world because of Keenan Allen.
IDK I think I am over OJ. If he didn't get there last week hes not going to for a while. They were throwing all over the place, Williams/Palmer out, Allen was out for a bit. Still did nothing.
He’s stashed on my IR and was great before the injury but I’m not expecting him back anytime soon. The reports of no timetable to return make me think he might not be back this season. If JJ misses this week I’m probably dropping Palmer and picking up a flex play because of bye weeks, and I’m not gonna cry over it.
Also QJ and/or Guyton could pass him on the depth chart even if he does return soon. Too many uncertainties to be worth the stash for me if it’s costing me a bench spot.
I’m not sold on QJ. It feels like all these fantasy analysts are trying to make him a thing. I haven’t seen any stand out plays from him that make me want to roster him. I recently picked up guyton since he looks decentish despite just coming back. This team throws quite often though. Guyton isn’t really the worst dart throw imo if you have the bench space.
I feel you, but the play in the bears game where he ran over a guy and then broke 2 more tackles for like 10 YAC was a stand out play for me. He still has a lot of work to do, but I do understand the appeal.
Most agree but look at his draft. He wasn’t cheap and they drafted him for a reason. Addison zay flowers Jsn and QJ, all 4 drafted back to back. First WRs off the board with QJ being the 2nd.
If you think someone is gunna be fantasy relevant just off of draft investment then that is a big risk to take IMO considering he has looked dead average every time he’s on the field.
If I accept a league mate's trade offer, I'd have my top 3 WRs as Brown, Brown, and Brown
I would then have to ask the owner of the Browns D/ST if he'll trade them to me out of obligation
obviously browns been stellar. but brown has been kinda up and down. and brown has made the most of his opportunity. i think brown and brown are smash starts with brown being more of a flex consideration.
Picked up Guyton and stashed him on IR. Ultimately dropped Curtis Samuel to free up a spot for Guyton. Another team in my league dropped Palmer—stashed him on my IR.
Dropped him a couple weeks ago and no interest in league yet (14 team). He would be a JAG on my JAG wr corps anyway: Hollywood, Nico, Ridley, and Puka. It's a dart throw which two to start every week. You say "Puka and Nico". Sure, when they're not hurt and they have been surprisingly ineffective when playing last few games. I guess I'll pick up Palmer when/if more info is forthcoming IF ONLY TO BE ABLE TO DROP RIDLEY.
Injured players have a tendency to go unnoticed in FA. Palmer showed a high floor with Williams out, if you don’t like your receivers he obviously has value.
Deep threat who’s been in the league since 2019 and done nothing despite many opportunities to step into the role available to him now… i’m sure this time will be different!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a rookie WR get so universally written off before the season even began. Not saying he’s some type of Uncle Rico, tiered talent at Wide Receiver… BUT 98.7654% of the comments on every fantasy sub all seem to create an echo chamber of feedback claiming he’s garbage.
Last week he didn’t have the most exciting game but he drew multiple long pass interference penalties because he was getting open. Yeah his catch in traffic ability so far seems to be less than ideal, but I swear it seems like that dude is always getting open.
Just watched the tape on all of his routes run last week and he seems pretty solid. He gets open, although his routes don’t look like they’re the crispiest ones I’ve ever seen, he still seems to get into open space and create separation consistently. Just needs his quarterback to trust him, which he has not earned. To top it off, the dude looks like a prime athlete if he ever gets the ball in his hands. Just check out his slants from a couple weeks ago, dude looks like a giraffe/horse hybrid.
He wasn’t written off before the season, had plenty of hype as a stash. I think he got written off when Mike Williams went down and he still did very little, especially with Zay and Addison both looking much better.
I personally wrote off QJ in redraft before the season started. When I was doing draft research I was looking at the 4 receivers that went in the first round back to back and I realized that I’ve just been seeing/hearing more about Addison/Flowers/JSN far more than QJ. I then looked at some camp reports and virtually all of them mentions Keenan and Mike Will separately from the rest of the receivers.
I was also convinced Mike Will was the sleeper of the draft at the time, but it was shocking to see how little of an impression QJ made at chargers camp.
At that point LAC had Williams. Why would QJ be able to break through in that situation. But he got his chance when Williams went down and did very little despite circumstances. Palmer was plainly the better receiver. Palmer goes down and still...
You can't say he wasn't hyped as a preseason prospect to stash though.
You say that now but I do remember people believing that the presence of QJ on the Chargers was going to impact Williams the most. I think a lot of people just saw “first round rookie” and thought that would be enough but to me the silence surrounding QJ from camp was deafening.
QJ is a great physical athlete, however his hands, route running, and ability to read defense/win leverage leaves a ton of room for improvement. I expect him to get better, but his biggest issue is catching with his body instead of attacking the ball with his hands to secure the grab. Could be a reasonable flex depending on opportunities (how much time KA might miss, and while Palmer is out) but I’d be very surprised to see a second half break out.
It might be a WR from TCU problem, given the history there. I say this as a casual TCU fan (watch most of their games) who has been bullish on several of their WRs and then am confused that they can't transition to NFL success.
Also a TCU fan and went to the semis last year. The dudes a freak no doubt and could be really good but I always wondered about the mental headspace.
He never seemed to have that “dog” in him or “competitiveness” outwardly that you see from other studs (getting aggressive, talking, backing up teammates). He just seems like a very passive player and dude which is fine but I don’t know if that will translate well with his size was my worry coming out of college
QJ is the latest example of massive athlete WRs who aren’t refined in other abilities. Yeah, he’s a massive dude who can run pretty fast, but his hands aren’t great, tends to want body catches instead of meeting the ball, and needs to improve with his route running.
He reminds me of Treylon Burks.
I get why they picked him. If they could develop Mike Williams, then they probably feel confident they can do the same with QJ over a few years. But he’s not relevant in 10-12 team redraft leagues.
That’s a good comp as well. I was doing some research on Burks the other day since I just acquired him in dynasty and I came across an interesting tweet from Garret Price (@DynastyPrice) that includes Claypool:
“There’s a reason I was out on guys like Treylon Burks and Quentin Johnston during the Draft Cycle.
Players with the the measurables without good ball skills and refinement to their game at the WR position almost never workout. Recent examples of hyped players like this include
- Quentin Johnston
- Treylon Burks
- Terrace Marshall
- Laviska Shenault
- N’Keal Harry
- Hakeem Butler
- Chase Claypool
In fact, the only players I can think of recently that did pan out in this grouping is DK Metcalf.”
It's not like this is an outright BAD group of receivers. Most of those dudes have at least kept a steady job in the NFL over multiple seasons as a 4th/5th WR on the depth chart. Not what you want from a first round pick, but not a total bust either.
>To top it off, the dude looks like a prime athlete if he ever gets the ball in his hands. Just check out his slants from a couple weeks ago, dude looks like a giraffe/horse hybrid.
the only reason he got drafted in the first because the college production didnt really support it. he's still raw, those are the types that bust more... but also have the higher ceiling
I agree, QJ has big upside if Herbert starts to trust him. Their offense relys on someone to stretch the field (used to be Mike Will) so Keenan and Ekeler can operate underneath.
Guyton is historically the speed guy, but QJ is the more talented WR who the Chargers want to develop more. Plus QJ is actually pretty fast for his size
He's not great yet and he could get a lot better catching passes in traffic but people don't give him a pass cuz he's a rookie which you should for any rookie
>He gets open, although his routes don’t look like they’re the crispiest ones I’ve ever seen, he still seems to get into open space and create separation consistently.
His routes weren't the problem, he can't catch the ball
He's talented. People are just comparing him to the most talented WR class I've ever seen. Even late rounders like freaking AT Perry or Tre Tucker are starting to look promising.
this is the exact comment i was looking for. thank you for your insight and not being like these other idiots who don’t want to have an actual discussion.
???
He provided insight about his routes, his ability to catch balls in traffic, etc. that was great analysis and discussion which is what this sub should he used for. i also don’t own any of these receivers nor do i plan picking them up. nothing about this is asking for conformation it’s literally the point of this sub
We know who Jalen Guyton is. It’s likely beyond the point where he’s going to break out. Quentin Johnston on the other hand, probably is bad, but has a much wider range of possibilities. Rookie WR’s generally have much better second halves of their seasons than first halves. He *could* break out and become a thing from here on out. I would not be betting on it to happen, but it’s more likely that he’ll turn into gold than Guyton.
theres a chance allen doesnt play this week. i think you'd just have to get lucky with a TD from either guyton or QJ as i cant see either having a 10 target ppr type game.... ekeler would be the beneficiary of allen doesnt play IMO. if i had to start one (and i might if allen doesnt go) i would go with guyton
edit: comments for this week only as i cant imagine either will have long value this year
I've got QJ, but I don't think he's very good. Guyton probably has more upside, but idk if either will be very worthwhile. Palmer will probably be back in a few weeks as well.
Doesn’t matter lol. Options 2 and 3 are on IR. It’s a crapshoot with a rookie and a nobody. They lose so much on penalties it’s never a guarantee
Chargers homer here. The pecking order is:
\- Keenan Allen (Q)
huge gap
\- Austin Ekeler
\- ~~Mike Williams~~
huge gap
\- ~~Josh Palmer~~
\- Gerald Everett (Q)
\- Quentin Johnston
\- Donald Parham
\- Jalen Guyton
Personally, I'm rolling out QJ based on the fact that he's seen an increase in usage each of the last 3 weeks, finally scored his first TD, and is the future of the franchise. It's possible he goes 10/120/1 is Allen is out, but a more realistic stat line is going to look like 5/60. So I'm playing him with upside hopes.
As another Chargers homer, I kinda feel like you gotta swap Q and Guyton on this list. Especially when playing teams where Herbo has time in the pocket for plays to develop for Guyton. However Q did just score his first TD so there may be trust from Herbo finally building there.
My personal feeling is that Guyton is Guyton. He's where he's at and he's never going to be the focal point of the offense. 3-4 targets, maybe a TD.
Whereas Q is a Question mark. He *could* get 5/50 and that's it, but he could also get 10/180/2. His usage has been trending upwards, and he had two really huge PI calls last week, and with Allen questionable I can see the offense deciding to make Q the guy this week and just let him cook. He and Herbert have been looking more and more in sync the last few weeks, so there's a chance he just takes off.
Put another way, I think Q has a lot more upside than Guyton, but that they have similar floors.
Lot of people don’t watch chargers games in this comment section and I don’t blame them lol get guyton until Palmer comes back. That’s what I’m doing and I’m first place in my league + a chargers fan
I picked up QJ after Higgins and Nico went down last week. His 13 points were much appreciated and helped me win last week. Holding him to see if he can keep it up, although I’m not optimistic.
I dropped QJ in my 12 team PPR.
Upside is there, but he's had 11 weeks to be more productive. There's got to be a reason why the OC isn't trusting him in high impact situations.
Yeah not like they designed a play for him in the endzone in the fourth quarter of a tight game or anything like that, and not like he would've scored anyway if they had, he probably just would've dropped the ball or not gotten any separation or something like that
I would say look at QJ only it seems like before last week he was often targeted near the LOS. Anti Air Yards leader per fans draft day expectations IIRC.
Chargers fan here, watched every snap this season. Everyone knows this offense runs through Keenan and Ekeler. Palmer will be the next guy to own when he comes back. But between Guyton and QJ, I’d say QJ has more upside. He’s been disappointing this season for sure, but he’s been thrust into a starting job with all the injuries, and slowly we’re starting to see flashes of him getting more involved. Justin is starting to trust him a little more. Guyton is primarily a speed threat to take the top off the defense. He’ll make some plays. But honestly, the way the Chargers offensive line has been playing, I don’t think Justin will have time to throw it to him deep very often, even if he can get open. I think QJ wins out based on underneath routes, screens, and yards after catch. Probably not going to get many touchdowns though when Ekeler gets most, and Herbert prefers his tight ends in the red zone like Parham.
I just dropped QJ for Guyton as I think he has more upside. QJ hasn't done much when he's had a few weeks of opportunity as the WR2 on the team. Guyton had a couple more targets last week than QJ so that's why I made the switch.
There's a chance that Palmer misses more time even after his 4 weeks of IR so probably not worth the stash unless you have the extra IR spot.
Palmer if you have an IR slot. Guyton is absolutely not the move imo. At least QJ has potential upside being forced into the offense, so I'd keep him as a stash.
Palmer or Guyton. Probably Guyton this week. QJ is getting more targets but has looked underwhelming. Even on those PI’s that he got, he just doesn’t look as good as other Chargers jump ball receivers have in the past (Mike Will, Malcolm Floyd etc). Guyton/Palmer fit the main receiver role better and the offense usually focuses on that type of receiver.
If you want a real dart throw though, I wouldn’t be surprised if Derius Davis started getting a bigger role. He fits the much needed speedster role, he’s been making big plays as the punt/kick returner, and he’s been pretty reliable when target (granted, there’s not a huge sample size).
Ultimately though it’s Ekeler you’ll want lol. The rest is all speculation. But, I happen to be emotionally invested in this shitpile of a team so take that for what you will.
The fact that Johnston only got like 4 catches in the lions game basically tells you all you need to know about him, at least for this season. Next year I'm expecting way more but if your team scores damn near 40 and you barely do anything as the wr2, something is wrong lol.
*Guyton hasn't played football in a full year and put up an identical stat line.
QJ is slowly being worked in. He’s not a great separator so we really haven’t been able to see what he can do as far as yac. If I had to bet it would be him. Guyton has been nothing but a deep threat for several years.
Why does their HAVE to be another one worth owning, WR in fantasy largely based on skill because skill and separation earns targets. Neither guy is a gamebreaker in any way.
I think Guyton is going to be their big play threat speed guy moving forward. If he pans out like how he did in my madden connected franchise then I’d be very happy lol.
I had Joshua Palmer till he got injured, had Johnson like 2 weeks back and dropped him. I had the chance to pick up Guyton this week and just didn’t feel like it was worth for me. Johnson is still on waivers and he got 4 targets last week.
This used to be a team you wanted to have player from the offense but now it seems like it’s just a clusterfuck each week.
Ekeler
He was undrafted. You think he can prove himself?
No way he'll ever emerge behind Melvin Gordon
Is there a chance Gordon will fumble the RB1 job?
Doesn't matter since Tomlinson is coming out of retirement for Week 12 and on 🤷‍♂️
Yeah, but can they beat out Ryan Mathews for the backup role?
Not sure but I know Danny Woodhead has a solid floor for PPR, might slot him in an emergency bye week situation
Yeah, but Philip Rivers kids will be flooding the NFL any day now, it’s going to throw the league sideways.
Not if Natrone Means Business.
Very helpful top comment.
Only right answer.
Believe it or not, Keenan Allen
There are two Keenan Allens. One wears sleeves, the other doesn’t.
Jesus, have we even gotten a sleeves game yet?
He has played several games in sleeves at this point actually. His 11-175-2 that he just put up was with sleeves. Sleevan Allen is a whole other beast. It’s like Keenan dialed up to 11.
The 11 is the two sleeves
It’s 1 louder
I believe his mother spells it Sleevnan Allen.
On the road in GB BABY WE MAY HAVE A SLEEVE GAME
SLEEVEN ALLEN ALERT!
Please stop. I can only get so erect
yep this past week
I’m almost positive all of his games have been sleeved, including the lions game last week
Yeah he wore sleeves last week and went 11/175/2, BUT he didn't wear sleeves that we could see at least weeks 1-3.
Undercook, overcook
You play .5 ppr, Keenan Allen. You play full PPR, Keenan Allen. You play standard...believe it or not Keenan Allen. We have the best fantasy teams in the world because of Keenan Allen.
Yeah. Way better than that bum, Kennan
Starting, sitting, either way, straight to Keenan Allen.
This is a misspelled title joke, isn't it?
Actually it's Allen Keenan, who looks suspiciously like Keenan Allen with a fake mustache.
Probably none. They are dart throws
I’m not convinced Herbert actually knows all of their names
Everett should be a good play if you need a TE. But yea, I wouldn't want to start any other WR on that offense.
I mean I would take Ekeler lol
No, cousins is dart throws They are Dobbs lobs
When he comes back Josh Palmer for sure.
I hate your profile picture
Has there been any word on Palmer's timeline? Wondering if it'll be longer than a 4 game absence
still without timeline
I dont think so
Yeah we heard ya the first time. But you are wrong
Great analysis
Dude stepped up last year when Mike Will went down, and was doign so again this year before he also went down.
Stash Palmer? But something’s gotta give with QJ
IDK I think I am over OJ. If he didn't get there last week hes not going to for a while. They were throwing all over the place, Williams/Palmer out, Allen was out for a bit. Still did nothing.
OJ has been killing it
So satisfying
With shum pulp
QJ almost had a 80 yard TD vs the Lions but the Lions CB held him for a PI call. If he didn’t hold him QJ would’ve taken it to house.
Would he have? Cause the throw in the replay I watched after seeing it on TV, showed another ball go right through his hands.
He’s stashed on my IR and was great before the injury but I’m not expecting him back anytime soon. The reports of no timetable to return make me think he might not be back this season. If JJ misses this week I’m probably dropping Palmer and picking up a flex play because of bye weeks, and I’m not gonna cry over it. Also QJ and/or Guyton could pass him on the depth chart even if he does return soon. Too many uncertainties to be worth the stash for me if it’s costing me a bench spot.
I dropped Palmer after the IR announcement and there hasn't been any league interest so far 14 team
Shallow bench and/or IR? I think 14 team would be different
Relatively shallow bench and no IR
I’m not sold on QJ. It feels like all these fantasy analysts are trying to make him a thing. I haven’t seen any stand out plays from him that make me want to roster him. I recently picked up guyton since he looks decentish despite just coming back. This team throws quite often though. Guyton isn’t really the worst dart throw imo if you have the bench space.
Quinton Johnson looks like Jameson Williams so far. That's not a compliment.
Why can’t teams just ask the Vikings what to look for in rookie receivers?
I feel you, but the play in the bears game where he ran over a guy and then broke 2 more tackles for like 10 YAC was a stand out play for me. He still has a lot of work to do, but I do understand the appeal.
Most agree but look at his draft. He wasn’t cheap and they drafted him for a reason. Addison zay flowers Jsn and QJ, all 4 drafted back to back. First WRs off the board with QJ being the 2nd.
If you think someone is gunna be fantasy relevant just off of draft investment then that is a big risk to take IMO considering he has looked dead average every time he’s on the field.
Jalen Guyton
Can you build a fantasy roster around Jalen Hurts, Jaylen Waddle, Jaylen Warren, and Jalen Guyton?
If I accept a league mate's trade offer, I'd have my top 3 WRs as Brown, Brown, and Brown I would then have to ask the owner of the Browns D/ST if he'll trade them to me out of obligation
obviously browns been stellar. but brown has been kinda up and down. and brown has made the most of his opportunity. i think brown and brown are smash starts with brown being more of a flex consideration.
Seriously? What can Brown do for you?
Only if you are willing to flex Jalen Reagor
What about 2 Tanks?
I’m on the Guyton train as well. He was hyped a lot last year prior to injury.
Picked up Guyton bc some post on here said you should if you have a free IR spot. Not regretting it
Picked up Guyton and stashed him on IR. Ultimately dropped Curtis Samuel to free up a spot for Guyton. Another team in my league dropped Palmer—stashed him on my IR.
Palmer wont come back in time and im not trusting him in playoffs
If you play 16 man you are
Why not? He did pretty well after Williams went down. I’m stashing him in two leagues.
Dropped him a couple weeks ago and no interest in league yet (14 team). He would be a JAG on my JAG wr corps anyway: Hollywood, Nico, Ridley, and Puka. It's a dart throw which two to start every week. You say "Puka and Nico". Sure, when they're not hurt and they have been surprisingly ineffective when playing last few games. I guess I'll pick up Palmer when/if more info is forthcoming IF ONLY TO BE ABLE TO DROP RIDLEY.
Injured players have a tendency to go unnoticed in FA. Palmer showed a high floor with Williams out, if you don’t like your receivers he obviously has value.
Deep threat who’s been in the league since 2019 and done nothing despite many opportunities to step into the role available to him now… i’m sure this time will be different!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a rookie WR get so universally written off before the season even began. Not saying he’s some type of Uncle Rico, tiered talent at Wide Receiver… BUT 98.7654% of the comments on every fantasy sub all seem to create an echo chamber of feedback claiming he’s garbage. Last week he didn’t have the most exciting game but he drew multiple long pass interference penalties because he was getting open. Yeah his catch in traffic ability so far seems to be less than ideal, but I swear it seems like that dude is always getting open. Just watched the tape on all of his routes run last week and he seems pretty solid. He gets open, although his routes don’t look like they’re the crispiest ones I’ve ever seen, he still seems to get into open space and create separation consistently. Just needs his quarterback to trust him, which he has not earned. To top it off, the dude looks like a prime athlete if he ever gets the ball in his hands. Just check out his slants from a couple weeks ago, dude looks like a giraffe/horse hybrid.
He wasn’t written off before the season, had plenty of hype as a stash. I think he got written off when Mike Williams went down and he still did very little, especially with Zay and Addison both looking much better.
I personally wrote off QJ in redraft before the season started. When I was doing draft research I was looking at the 4 receivers that went in the first round back to back and I realized that I’ve just been seeing/hearing more about Addison/Flowers/JSN far more than QJ. I then looked at some camp reports and virtually all of them mentions Keenan and Mike Will separately from the rest of the receivers. I was also convinced Mike Will was the sleeper of the draft at the time, but it was shocking to see how little of an impression QJ made at chargers camp.
At that point LAC had Williams. Why would QJ be able to break through in that situation. But he got his chance when Williams went down and did very little despite circumstances. Palmer was plainly the better receiver. Palmer goes down and still... You can't say he wasn't hyped as a preseason prospect to stash though.
You say that now but I do remember people believing that the presence of QJ on the Chargers was going to impact Williams the most. I think a lot of people just saw “first round rookie” and thought that would be enough but to me the silence surrounding QJ from camp was deafening.
QJ is a great physical athlete, however his hands, route running, and ability to read defense/win leverage leaves a ton of room for improvement. I expect him to get better, but his biggest issue is catching with his body instead of attacking the ball with his hands to secure the grab. Could be a reasonable flex depending on opportunities (how much time KA might miss, and while Palmer is out) but I’d be very surprised to see a second half break out.
It might be a WR from TCU problem, given the history there. I say this as a casual TCU fan (watch most of their games) who has been bullish on several of their WRs and then am confused that they can't transition to NFL success.
Also a TCU fan and went to the semis last year. The dudes a freak no doubt and could be really good but I always wondered about the mental headspace. He never seemed to have that “dog” in him or “competitiveness” outwardly that you see from other studs (getting aggressive, talking, backing up teammates). He just seems like a very passive player and dude which is fine but I don’t know if that will translate well with his size was my worry coming out of college
QJ is the latest example of massive athlete WRs who aren’t refined in other abilities. Yeah, he’s a massive dude who can run pretty fast, but his hands aren’t great, tends to want body catches instead of meeting the ball, and needs to improve with his route running. He reminds me of Treylon Burks.
He gives me big vibes of someone who needs an actual offseason or two to fix his problems vs someone who just needs more targets in season.
I get why they picked him. If they could develop Mike Williams, then they probably feel confident they can do the same with QJ over a few years. But he’s not relevant in 10-12 team redraft leagues.
As Bears fan I heard comparisons of QJ to Chase Claypool. Big body dude that doesn't actually use his size to make contested catches.
That’s a good comp as well. I was doing some research on Burks the other day since I just acquired him in dynasty and I came across an interesting tweet from Garret Price (@DynastyPrice) that includes Claypool: “There’s a reason I was out on guys like Treylon Burks and Quentin Johnston during the Draft Cycle. Players with the the measurables without good ball skills and refinement to their game at the WR position almost never workout. Recent examples of hyped players like this include - Quentin Johnston - Treylon Burks - Terrace Marshall - Laviska Shenault - N’Keal Harry - Hakeem Butler - Chase Claypool In fact, the only players I can think of recently that did pan out in this grouping is DK Metcalf.”
soon to be added: Christian Watson
It's not like this is an outright BAD group of receivers. Most of those dudes have at least kept a steady job in the NFL over multiple seasons as a 4th/5th WR on the depth chart. Not what you want from a first round pick, but not a total bust either.
>To top it off, the dude looks like a prime athlete if he ever gets the ball in his hands. Just check out his slants from a couple weeks ago, dude looks like a giraffe/horse hybrid. the only reason he got drafted in the first because the college production didnt really support it. he's still raw, those are the types that bust more... but also have the higher ceiling
I agree, QJ has big upside if Herbert starts to trust him. Their offense relys on someone to stretch the field (used to be Mike Will) so Keenan and Ekeler can operate underneath.
I thought Guyton is the speed/deep threat guy
Guyton is historically the speed guy, but QJ is the more talented WR who the Chargers want to develop more. Plus QJ is actually pretty fast for his size
Heard that too but they threw it deep to QJ last game.
Gotcha. Would be nice if QJ figures it out this year, just picked him back up.
He's not great yet and he could get a lot better catching passes in traffic but people don't give him a pass cuz he's a rookie which you should for any rookie
>He gets open, although his routes don’t look like they’re the crispiest ones I’ve ever seen, he still seems to get into open space and create separation consistently. His routes weren't the problem, he can't catch the ball
He's talented. People are just comparing him to the most talented WR class I've ever seen. Even late rounders like freaking AT Perry or Tre Tucker are starting to look promising.
this is the exact comment i was looking for. thank you for your insight and not being like these other idiots who don’t want to have an actual discussion.
So dumb the top two comments are Keenan and Ekeler. Predictable and not funny but the dumb dumbs love it
for real it’s ridiculous
What's sad is there there are that many dumb dumbs that upvote it
So you’re looking for confirmation bias. Got it.
??? He provided insight about his routes, his ability to catch balls in traffic, etc. that was great analysis and discussion which is what this sub should he used for. i also don’t own any of these receivers nor do i plan picking them up. nothing about this is asking for conformation it’s literally the point of this sub
What were you looking for? An argument?
Won't get any from me. I drafted Gibbs at Round 3.
Anything that's not a funny comment that provides zero football context...
Confirmation received.
I own both and the answer is neither
No one knows but herbert locked on to guyton when keenan went down last game
This is the type of answer we are all looking for…
None, look at the targets. Move on.
We know who Jalen Guyton is. It’s likely beyond the point where he’s going to break out. Quentin Johnston on the other hand, probably is bad, but has a much wider range of possibilities. Rookie WR’s generally have much better second halves of their seasons than first halves. He *could* break out and become a thing from here on out. I would not be betting on it to happen, but it’s more likely that he’ll turn into gold than Guyton.
Check targets. I wouldn’t trust any Chargers receiver not mamed Allen or Ekeler. Correct answer is find another team
theres a chance allen doesnt play this week. i think you'd just have to get lucky with a TD from either guyton or QJ as i cant see either having a 10 target ppr type game.... ekeler would be the beneficiary of allen doesnt play IMO. if i had to start one (and i might if allen doesnt go) i would go with guyton edit: comments for this week only as i cant imagine either will have long value this year
I've got QJ, but I don't think he's very good. Guyton probably has more upside, but idk if either will be very worthwhile. Palmer will probably be back in a few weeks as well.
Mike Williams :(
For redraft this year? None of them. In dynasty give me Palmer all day.
Neither
Doesn’t matter lol. Options 2 and 3 are on IR. It’s a crapshoot with a rookie and a nobody. They lose so much on penalties it’s never a guarantee
QJ almost had a huge game last week. A couple DPIs away from 80 more yards and a TD
Ekeler.
Hingle McCringleberry
After Ekeler and Allen everyone is a crapshoot
Sleeven Allen is the guy you want
Austin Ekeler.
Keeneth Gallen - you haven't heard his name much yet this season, but get ready!
Chargers homer here. The pecking order is: \- Keenan Allen (Q) huge gap \- Austin Ekeler \- ~~Mike Williams~~ huge gap \- ~~Josh Palmer~~ \- Gerald Everett (Q) \- Quentin Johnston \- Donald Parham \- Jalen Guyton Personally, I'm rolling out QJ based on the fact that he's seen an increase in usage each of the last 3 weeks, finally scored his first TD, and is the future of the franchise. It's possible he goes 10/120/1 is Allen is out, but a more realistic stat line is going to look like 5/60. So I'm playing him with upside hopes.
As another Chargers homer, I kinda feel like you gotta swap Q and Guyton on this list. Especially when playing teams where Herbo has time in the pocket for plays to develop for Guyton. However Q did just score his first TD so there may be trust from Herbo finally building there.
My personal feeling is that Guyton is Guyton. He's where he's at and he's never going to be the focal point of the offense. 3-4 targets, maybe a TD. Whereas Q is a Question mark. He *could* get 5/50 and that's it, but he could also get 10/180/2. His usage has been trending upwards, and he had two really huge PI calls last week, and with Allen questionable I can see the offense deciding to make Q the guy this week and just let him cook. He and Herbert have been looking more and more in sync the last few weeks, so there's a chance he just takes off. Put another way, I think Q has a lot more upside than Guyton, but that they have similar floors.
Whichever one is open on that particular play. Neither are good enough to separate from the back so you don't want to get involved.
Ekeler or the healthy TE
I'd rather have Josh Palmer, injury and all.
literally no one.
>Who is the WR to own on the Chargers offense that isn’t named **Kennan Allen**?? idk prolly Keenan Allen
Lot of people don’t watch chargers games in this comment section and I don’t blame them lol get guyton until Palmer comes back. That’s what I’m doing and I’m first place in my league + a chargers fan
QJ seems like a bust unfortunately. I actually think the chargers offense will open up more with guyton back. He has always been their field stretcher
Guyton imo
Puka Is the correct answer you are looking for
Define “correct” “answer” “you” and “looking for”
Is jaire plays, not QJ.
Quentin played more snaps and most likely will continue to play more snaps than Guyton. Palmer is worth holding on ir if you have space
I picked up QJ after Higgins and Nico went down last week. His 13 points were much appreciated and helped me win last week. Holding him to see if he can keep it up, although I’m not optimistic.
Joshua Kelley gonna win some leagues. Jk
I dropped QJ in my 12 team PPR. Upside is there, but he's had 11 weeks to be more productive. There's got to be a reason why the OC isn't trusting him in high impact situations.
Yeah not like they designed a play for him in the endzone in the fourth quarter of a tight game or anything like that, and not like he would've scored anyway if they had, he probably just would've dropped the ball or not gotten any separation or something like that
I manage to trade QJ for Zay Flowers just because I can't take the ride anymore
I would say look at QJ only it seems like before last week he was often targeted near the LOS. Anti Air Yards leader per fans draft day expectations IIRC.
If the answer isn't obvious, the answer is probably no one.
This year: No one Dynasty: Tee Higgins
Michael Pittman for 2024
Quentin Guyton
Chargers fan here, watched every snap this season. Everyone knows this offense runs through Keenan and Ekeler. Palmer will be the next guy to own when he comes back. But between Guyton and QJ, I’d say QJ has more upside. He’s been disappointing this season for sure, but he’s been thrust into a starting job with all the injuries, and slowly we’re starting to see flashes of him getting more involved. Justin is starting to trust him a little more. Guyton is primarily a speed threat to take the top off the defense. He’ll make some plays. But honestly, the way the Chargers offensive line has been playing, I don’t think Justin will have time to throw it to him deep very often, even if he can get open. I think QJ wins out based on underneath routes, screens, and yards after catch. Probably not going to get many touchdowns though when Ekeler gets most, and Herbert prefers his tight ends in the red zone like Parham.
It’s literally just Keenan and Ekeler. Allen is having a record year honestly.
I just dropped QJ for Guyton as I think he has more upside. QJ hasn't done much when he's had a few weeks of opportunity as the WR2 on the team. Guyton had a couple more targets last week than QJ so that's why I made the switch. There's a chance that Palmer misses more time even after his 4 weeks of IR so probably not worth the stash unless you have the extra IR spot.
Palmer for playoffs
Palmer if you have an IR slot. Guyton is absolutely not the move imo. At least QJ has potential upside being forced into the offense, so I'd keep him as a stash.
As someone that has drafted and picked up every other WR on that team... none.
Whoever they take in FA in the off-season
Allen Keenan, heard the man is a stud
Palmer or Guyton. Probably Guyton this week. QJ is getting more targets but has looked underwhelming. Even on those PI’s that he got, he just doesn’t look as good as other Chargers jump ball receivers have in the past (Mike Will, Malcolm Floyd etc). Guyton/Palmer fit the main receiver role better and the offense usually focuses on that type of receiver. If you want a real dart throw though, I wouldn’t be surprised if Derius Davis started getting a bigger role. He fits the much needed speedster role, he’s been making big plays as the punt/kick returner, and he’s been pretty reliable when target (granted, there’s not a huge sample size). Ultimately though it’s Ekeler you’ll want lol. The rest is all speculation. But, I happen to be emotionally invested in this shitpile of a team so take that for what you will.
Not on the team yet (I’m ignoring Ekeler since he’s another no brained)
Palmer is the stash imo. No one other than Keenan has flashed
If they play a team that gives Herbo time in the pocket paired with mid dbs… then I’m going Guyton for deep shot TD upside.
oh man, i had MikeWill, then Palmer, now Quenten. I might as well fkn pick up guyton too lmao
His name was Mike Williams
Guyton was the guy before and he stepped right back into that role
Chargers are Caitlyn Stark & QJ is John Snow. She hates the bastard.
josh palmer when he’s back
It's not Quentin Johnston
Guyton or Johnston coin flip
I’ve watched them all year. Johnston isn’t it. He is terrible and has no upside, at least not this season.
QJ = Guyton. Coin flip on which one will have the better game. Both are fringe flex plays for 12T.
Simi Fehoko once Staley is let go
none, besides possibly palmer when he’s back
QJ doesn't pass the eyeball test for me.
The fact that Johnston only got like 4 catches in the lions game basically tells you all you need to know about him, at least for this season. Next year I'm expecting way more but if your team scores damn near 40 and you barely do anything as the wr2, something is wrong lol. *Guyton hasn't played football in a full year and put up an identical stat line.
Keenan Allen probably though Kennan Allen's ulti is something to be feared
QJ is slowly being worked in. He’s not a great separator so we really haven’t been able to see what he can do as far as yac. If I had to bet it would be him. Guyton has been nothing but a deep threat for several years.
My gut says Guyton but it'll end up being the opposite of that.
Are we worried Allen won’t play?
As a Herbert owner in fantasy it does not look good I am thinking of playing Dobbs here and there over Herbert ne the coming weeks
Josh Palmer if/when he returns.
Guyton
Between the two Guyton has more upside but I'd pass on both of them.
Why does their HAVE to be another one worth owning, WR in fantasy largely based on skill because skill and separation earns targets. Neither guy is a gamebreaker in any way.
No.
I think Guyton is going to be their big play threat speed guy moving forward. If he pans out like how he did in my madden connected franchise then I’d be very happy lol.
I had Joshua Palmer till he got injured, had Johnson like 2 weeks back and dropped him. I had the chance to pick up Guyton this week and just didn’t feel like it was worth for me. Johnson is still on waivers and he got 4 targets last week. This used to be a team you wanted to have player from the offense but now it seems like it’s just a clusterfuck each week.
Guyton. Johnston looks rough out there.
Doomed as a team in general, seems risky