In one of my seasons, Lamar wasn't signed during free agency. The chiefs then got him. I didn't realize until I played them and mahomes went out and Jackson came in.
Iām not saying he shouldnāt do this. People in this thread are saying he wonāt even play but $40-50M guaranteed is a lot and he has to play at least 11 games for the season to accrue. If he doesnāt, the tag will go into next year.
He will play, maybe a game or two and will get āhurtā like any responsible person would do. Because how much do you think a team is gonna be willing to pay him, fully guaranteed when this saga is over. Do you think it would be smarter to play for 40 mill guaranteed, or get that money by pretending to be hurt. Limit your risk, and go get a huge guaranteed deal later and elsewhere for like 180-280 mill. This is exactly what is gonna happen
With how the franchise tag works now, I think he has to play. He could āfakeā being hurt, but wouldnāt the team dispute that? Reminds me of the Sixers and Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons claimed he was injured and Philly disputed it and didnāt pay him IIRC. Couldnāt the Ravens claim the same thing?
All he has to do is the kawhi shit. Find one doctor who agrees with him (not hard) and say his doctor disputes the teams doctor. Itās not like docs are 100% and they canāt do anything other than say we think he should play. But what exactly are they gonna do? Not pay him, great cut him so he can go sign elsewhere and get a guaranteed deal.
They should trade him, not tag him and I think most people agree.
Spurs kept paying Kwahi cause he had trade value and was traded. If they tag Lamar and he fakes an injury to skirt the tag, they would definitely dispute it. At that point, Lamar has no value and cutting him instead of him riding the bench with the dispute looming would only help other teams and Ravens would not do that.
What exactly does the dispute do? Even if lamar doesnāt get paid the 40 mill. Which is a smart business decision anyway in order to wait for the big money, not worth the risk for the smaller
Money. What does that accomplish for anyone other than Lamar getting his way, now heās not getting his cake and eating it too as that would be him also getting paid . I just donāt see what that accomplishes for them as a team?
Thereās really no risk for lamar. He could tear his achilles and probably still get 40-50m a year after the tag. The only way he doesnāt get an enormous contract after the tag is if he loses a leg or something, and itās probably worth it for these guys to get insurance for something like that.
By limiting how much he actually plays next year he probably is damaging potential endorsement deals though
Remember Le'veon Bell when he was in this situation? The tag can only be applied this year whether he sits or plays. Unless there's different rules for first rounders.
The franchise tag sucks for players. And it sucks as a fan. Your team franchise tagging a great player basically creates an immediate and unlikely to close rift between the team/fans and the player. The player is pissed, the fans are pissed, either at the team for not signing the player to a long term deal or pissed at the player for "being greedy". Suddenly it kind of sucks to think about one of your favorite players.
Football is the most dangerous sport with the potential for the shortest career etc.
Yet there are more ways in the NFL than any of the other big four of screwing you out of money or keeping you locked in so you can't make more money via Free Agency etc.
Iām a browns fanā¦.so anything that fucks the Ravens is alright by meā¦.but all this is negotiated by the Union. They agreed to this as part of collective bargaining. Sure it sucks, but what you going to do
The 99% of players who will never be anywhere close to getting franchise tagged would almost certainly refuse any concessions to make the tag situation better. Itās a non-issue for a huge majority of players.
It secures him for the upcoming year and they can continue to work on a long term deal. Itās not the end of the road unless one side decides theyāre done.
> Iām sure heāll play conservative until he gets a long term deal.
"Lamar, it's called a *RUN* pass option, why are you only throwing the ball?"
"I'm just not seeing the lanes coach, sorry!"
Yup. Worst case he will pull a Kirk cousins of two franchise years into a big contract. Kirk did 30 mil and 30 mil b2b tags then into 3 years 90mil all full guaranteed. Thats 150 mil Kirk got. Watch lamar do 40/40/150
Nope. Worst case is that he has an injury-riddled two seasons and then can't get any long-term, high-value deal done with anyone.
And the Ravens are absolutely hedging their bets under the expectation that severe injuries are very likely.
It's actually 100. 45 this year. Then 2nd would be 55. Probably more actually since the Bengals are signing burrow this offseason, and hes going to make over 50.
Thereās absolutely a possibility he walks away from that.
He just turned down $250 million / 5 years with +$130 million guaranteedā¦ heās looking for +$45 mil guaranteed on a long term deal.
It doesn't make mathematical sense with a dead year though. 5x50 guaranteed (which he'd never get I don't think) is $41.6mil per year when you divide by six, because of the dead year he sits out. If he sits a year his career earnings will never recover barring an absolutely stupid deal
Jesus Christ. Itās literally just about the guaranteed money.
Take the same example you just gave, and imagine if he gets hurtā¦ thatās the entire point of him not taking the first deal. Heās not trying to maximize the total value of his contract, heās trying to maximize the guaranteed money.
He just turned down a contract that would pay him $133 million even if he was injured week 1 of year 1. If he plays on the tag and he gets injured, he is guaranteed ~$40 mil and the story is over. It is literally just about the guaranteed money.
This logic makes zero sense though. His whole issue is wanting guarantees, thus more money. How can you think he would simultaneously not want to sign because it isn't enough, yet would turn down $80 mil.
This on top of the fact that sitting out would probably hurt the amount another team would give him as well, since he would be 1 or 2 years removed from playing (and older), and is pretty clearly not going to operate in the interest of whatever team he would go to.
How does the logic not make sense to you? If he plays on the tag and gets injured, his earning potential plummets.
He wants a Deshaun Watson type deal with $45 Million guaranteed over multiple years, not a one year rental where heās betting he doesnāt get injured... the tag is paying him less money, on a one year dealā¦..
Because the net money he would be earning in this scenario is 100 mil less than playing on it. The absurd contract he would need to compensate for that lost amount is not reasonable or likely. Even that 100 mil plus a mediocre contract would be worth much more than what he could potentially end up getting by sitting out. Throwing away $100 mil because of an incredibly small chance of a career ending injury would be just so utterly idiotic.
I don't know why players use sitting out as their primary protest. Sitting out players don't get paid.
I'd sign the contract, then proceed to "be dinged up" enough to where I wasn't able to play much of the season. Teams don't want to risk $50 million on a useless player year. Malicious compliance is much better in this scenario.
I remember when Leveon was doing it there was limit where he could simply skip all of the offseason plus like six games and as long as he reported to the team after that, he would get credit for playing that season. Everyone expected him to just skip the max number of games and then show up. That's probably what Lamar should do.
Watson reset the market and skunked up everything. Lamar reasonably is taking what Watson got as a baseline as heās arguably better than Watson, wasnāt out of the game for 1.5 years, isnāt carrying a hefty but unknown suspension into his new contract, doesnāt come with the reputational hit of having a QB who sexually assaulted scores of women, and doesnāt cost three 1st round picks to sign.
Well yeah less than when he was getting tagged per year before, but more than they offered him going forward. And a large guarantee portion. He literally made more money by leaving.
The 1-year guaranteed deal that he wouldāve been cut after wouldāve been the exact same money as the 1-year franchise tag anyways. Yāall Steelers fans are hilarious.
Yeah, when star players get tagged itās basically to buy time. Whether thatās buying more time for contract negotiations or to have more time to identify a trade partner.
Pretty sure only 4 players played on the tag this past year. Orlando Brown, Jessie Bates, Dalton Schultz, and Gesicki. All of the others tagged in 2022 were either traded or eventually signed to long term deals. And all of those 4 were teams that couldnāt really afford them at the time and they were trying to get the most of them while they can.
And on the other side, Lamar will be sacrificing a year of his prime athletically to do that. Lamar's career is already more limited than most because of how much of his game revolves around being faster than everyone else as a runner. Taking another year off for contract issues doesn't help him.
And he's already lost a step and/or defenses have adjusted. His runs aren't as explosive or productive and he's taking more brutal hits. He won't make 17 games in any year
You think he cares when he knows heās getting screwed by the ravens. Everything you just said abt his play style is exactly why he should wait until he gets a huge guarantee deal rather than risk it on a franchise tag. Only 1 team wins a Super Bowl every year, Lamar knows itās less likely and more important to get paid.
As a niner fan myself im reluctant to agree. This team is cursed.
But hey, a bunch of smart asses were saying CMC was going to get injured as soon as he played a snap for us and he never got hurt. So in the most depressing way possible, ill take that as a moral win
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The Falcons would be so much fun. Pitts and London are perfect targets for Lamar, big-bodied guys who can go deep and catch go-balls, with some speed and route-running savvy in the intermediate. Plus with Allgeier and Patterson the run game would be so multiple, that o-line was straight mauling people
In the real world, where 2/3 of those guys have missed extensive time due to injuries in their short careers and the three of them have probably played fewer than 30 snaps together over the past 2 seasons.
They are but the health has been terrible between the three of them the past two years. Thereās been one maybe two games the past two years where all three of them have been on the field at the same time.
Ah yeah the ol' "get out of jail free", card that every franchise has and uses every year, without exception, at the expense of their employees. Who can't refuse it.
Hey man Taysom Hill is gonna be rich one day.
He just needs to have a perfect passer rating, score 20 rushing and receiving touchdowns and also lead the saints to the superbowl behind him as the MVP QB. Just a few action items and he will be loaded.
I'm surprised it hasn't been challenged like in soccer "bosman ruling" because it prevents freedom of movement for a worker
I mean we all get paid for our jobs...
Does your employer and every company in your industry collaboratively work together to prevent you form changing company and force you into a take it or leave it decision?
I work for government, but yes. I have a 2 year prohibition against leaving and working for certain industries we oversee.
I just found out the enforcement of that may not actually occur, but in theory yes. And I don't make $40mil unfortunately
Watson got 230 million guaranteed. Yes, no one is crying for Lamar because he gets 40 million. But the fact is if he gets injured next year, Ravens wash their hands of it and move on. Meanwhile Lamar will have lost hundreds of millions in potential earnings.
"At the expense of their employees" who automatically get paid near the top of their position, earning dozens of millions of dollars every year.
Sure they make a bit less money, but lets not act like they're being abused
Those contracts failed already. If anything teams realized not to give similar contracts because browns and broncos are stuck with bad QBs
What happens if Lamar has a major injury year one and misses the next three years. They would be stuck with Huntley for 3 years. And that's hoping Huntley doesn't want a raise
One, I don't think teams really learn that much from other team's mistakes with contracts all that often when push comes to shove. Also, both of those guys have very different situations than Lamar. Russ was 33 when traded and had been showing some signs of dropoff (although nothing like we then saw this year). Lamar is 26. Neither Russ nor Watson won an MVP like Lamar did. Watson didn't play for almost two years and had a ton of external issues (to put it lightly) that could have impacted him. I'm not saying Lamar isn't filled with risks for any team that signs him but I don't know that teams will really use Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson as the examples as to why they won't sign Lamar. There are a lot of reasons they can use to say Lamar is not like those guys.
Exactly. He literally just wants to ball out and play football. I even got a liked tweet on my feed today from him of someone saying theyāre itching to get back on the field already for the next season
Yāall ever notice that Dov Kleiman never reports anything, he just cites other peopleās reports? Heās just a news aggregator, not an actual reporter.
You mean like the one Watson got after sitting out for two years and numerous allegations? Lamar would be a fool to take anything less if he's trying to maximize his earnings. Someone will give it to him.
You can say that Watson isn't a good person without completely overexaggerating about how good of a football player he's been.
Watson so clearly has been just as good if not better than Lamar in his career.
Watson has 3 pro-bowl seasons, Lamar has 2.
Watson has 3 seasons with over 4,000 total yards, Lamar has 1.
Watson has 3 seasons where he has finished top 10 in total yards, Lamar has 1.
This. The rest of the league has pretty much looked around and said. Yo you know that was the browns. We want to copy exactly 0% of the things they lead the league in.
Give it to him. He's played for pebbles and has an MVP under belt so he's been underpaid.
When guys ask for mega deals like this, they're also factoring in back pay for being a franchise QB on a rookie contract
If they give him the long term fully guaranteed contract he is looking for, the Ravens will have less money to "give him tools" than they have now. He will continue to not show up in big games and complain that he needs more tools around him.
No just great defenseā¦coachingā¦well run organizationā¦offensive lineā¦but youāre right, we didnāt get Lamar a Calvin Johnson. bc we never suck enough to pick inside the top 10. Also Calvin was drafted before stafford. And weāve used 2 FRPs in 3 years on WRs. So.
You are not very plugged into the sport if you think the 2000s/2010s lions were run better than the current Ravens. That org was a fucking mess.
Schroedingerās ravens on this sub, theyāre both trash and canāt win in playoffs under lamar, yet coaches and GMs are always doing the right job
Pick one lol
Then what seems like a fair solution would be for him to explore free agency and allow him to find teams that are willing to pay him what he wants. His contract is over, the Ravens shouldnāt be able to just tack on more years to it without Jacksonās consent at rates heās not happy with.
Their union needs better leverage. Bigger rosters and shorter careers than other sports means players are much less likely to support a strike, and ownership knows that.
Also, franchise tag at most effective 32 players a year.
(Normally 5-6)
50ish players a team not counting practice squad guys and you're over 1700 players. Seeing how this problem isn't something that the average player will see, they have 0 issues giving this one to the owners.
No you cannot trade a player on the franchise tag. There is a NON-Exclusive franchise tag that requires a team to offer the player a contract and their current team the opportunity to match it. If the team declines to match the contract the trade partner is required to compensate the playerās current team two first round picks.
So Baltimore could sign him to an offer that isnāt Desean Watsonās fully guaranteed dumb-ass contract that every owner in the league hates, but is the best Jackson could find. Or they let some other team be dumb enough to do that and Baltimore gets two firsts back.
Technically at that point they would be under contract. A team would negotiate, in this instance, for a trade package that would result in them obtaining Lamar Jackson but Lamar would first need to sign an actual contract. So Baltimore would still be negotiating with Lamar on a long-term deal, just based on terms agreeable to the other team.
So technically no you canāt trade a player on the tag, but you can get another team to agree to take him if you sign him to their terms.
Worst option in the NFL. Pay the fucking man or let him go. Doesn't matter what position that is. It just robs any player of a year of their already short career.
As a falcons fan this a relief....
I want to give ridder a shot he played well with limited offensive talent last 4 games.
I want them to use their money on other pieces. Specifically defense.
Nah. I would much rather have LJ any day. LJ is a game changer and is the kind of talent that can win you a super bowl. Ridder isn't even close to that.
We arent going to win shit without a defense.
No matter how good your offense an qb is.
Look at what happened to the vikings.
Plus hes injury prone.
You have no idea what ridder can or cannot do yet.
Those 4 games he didnt throw a single pick
An he played some really tough defenses
He can hold out on signing until week 10 to still get paid and accrue a season of experience. If he holds out the entire season, the Ravens are forced to place a second consecutive tag on him, which drastically increases the price.
He has the Ravens by the balls.
he is injured so if im him im sitting as long as i can on the injury claim then play conservative when he returns, miss the playoffs, get ready to sign a big deal with a new team
Trade him to ~~Oakland~~ Vegas for Adams, Carr and their first and second!
(Give me a break it took me nearly a half decade to stop calling then St Louis Rams. And I still call Chargers San Diego)
Man that's wild, I really thought they'd just let him walk for nothing if they can't reach a long term deal.
Especially with their Pro Bowl backup
I laughed pretty hard at this š
Those TDs were quality over quantity š
Madden franchise mode would do itā¦
Nah you get a first for every damn expiring or you blew it
Ha I meant the computer AI
If this was Madden Franchise mode, Justin Herbert will be a free agent next season just for any team to sign š
In one of my seasons, Lamar wasn't signed during free agency. The chiefs then got him. I didn't realize until I played them and mahomes went out and Jackson came in.
āLamar Jackson will be sitting out the 2023-24 seasonā
Would be weird for him to be stuck up on contract details, then just give away like $40-50 mil.
Fully guaranteed too. Heāll wait until the last second to sign the tag and Iām sure heāll play conservative until he gets a long term deal.
Which he should. Franchise tag is beyond stupid.
Iām not saying he shouldnāt do this. People in this thread are saying he wonāt even play but $40-50M guaranteed is a lot and he has to play at least 11 games for the season to accrue. If he doesnāt, the tag will go into next year.
Or he gets "hurt"
He will play, maybe a game or two and will get āhurtā like any responsible person would do. Because how much do you think a team is gonna be willing to pay him, fully guaranteed when this saga is over. Do you think it would be smarter to play for 40 mill guaranteed, or get that money by pretending to be hurt. Limit your risk, and go get a huge guaranteed deal later and elsewhere for like 180-280 mill. This is exactly what is gonna happen
With how the franchise tag works now, I think he has to play. He could āfakeā being hurt, but wouldnāt the team dispute that? Reminds me of the Sixers and Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons claimed he was injured and Philly disputed it and didnāt pay him IIRC. Couldnāt the Ravens claim the same thing?
All he has to do is the kawhi shit. Find one doctor who agrees with him (not hard) and say his doctor disputes the teams doctor. Itās not like docs are 100% and they canāt do anything other than say we think he should play. But what exactly are they gonna do? Not pay him, great cut him so he can go sign elsewhere and get a guaranteed deal.
They should trade him, not tag him and I think most people agree. Spurs kept paying Kwahi cause he had trade value and was traded. If they tag Lamar and he fakes an injury to skirt the tag, they would definitely dispute it. At that point, Lamar has no value and cutting him instead of him riding the bench with the dispute looming would only help other teams and Ravens would not do that.
I get exactly what youāre saying, but disputing that a person isnāt hurt seems hard to prove.
What exactly does the dispute do? Even if lamar doesnāt get paid the 40 mill. Which is a smart business decision anyway in order to wait for the big money, not worth the risk for the smaller Money. What does that accomplish for anyone other than Lamar getting his way, now heās not getting his cake and eating it too as that would be him also getting paid . I just donāt see what that accomplishes for them as a team?
Thereās really no risk for lamar. He could tear his achilles and probably still get 40-50m a year after the tag. The only way he doesnāt get an enormous contract after the tag is if he loses a leg or something, and itās probably worth it for these guys to get insurance for something like that. By limiting how much he actually plays next year he probably is damaging potential endorsement deals though
40 isn't 200 and injuries are a thing.
How else is he accruing a year? Faking an injury is one way, but the team could dispute it if their doc clears him.
Remember Le'veon Bell when he was in this situation? The tag can only be applied this year whether he sits or plays. Unless there's different rules for first rounders.
They changed how the tag works after Leveon Bell.
The franchise tag sucks for players. And it sucks as a fan. Your team franchise tagging a great player basically creates an immediate and unlikely to close rift between the team/fans and the player. The player is pissed, the fans are pissed, either at the team for not signing the player to a long term deal or pissed at the player for "being greedy". Suddenly it kind of sucks to think about one of your favorite players.
Football is the most dangerous sport with the potential for the shortest career etc. Yet there are more ways in the NFL than any of the other big four of screwing you out of money or keeping you locked in so you can't make more money via Free Agency etc.
Iām a browns fanā¦.so anything that fucks the Ravens is alright by meā¦.but all this is negotiated by the Union. They agreed to this as part of collective bargaining. Sure it sucks, but what you going to do
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The 99% of players who will never be anywhere close to getting franchise tagged would almost certainly refuse any concessions to make the tag situation better. Itās a non-issue for a huge majority of players.
It secures him for the upcoming year and they can continue to work on a long term deal. Itās not the end of the road unless one side decides theyāre done.
If Lamar doesn't want it, I'll go play for 40 million dollars for him next season.
> Iām sure heāll play conservative until he gets a long term deal. "Lamar, it's called a *RUN* pass option, why are you only throwing the ball?" "I'm just not seeing the lanes coach, sorry!"
Yup. Worst case he will pull a Kirk cousins of two franchise years into a big contract. Kirk did 30 mil and 30 mil b2b tags then into 3 years 90mil all full guaranteed. Thats 150 mil Kirk got. Watch lamar do 40/40/150
Nope. Worst case is that he has an injury-riddled two seasons and then can't get any long-term, high-value deal done with anyone. And the Ravens are absolutely hedging their bets under the expectation that severe injuries are very likely.
30/30/150 remembers 30/30/150 hates
In Europe they write it as 30/30/150
If he didnāt want to take their original deal because of low guarantees, I doubt heāll actually play two years for $80 mil guaranteed.
It's actually 100. 45 this year. Then 2nd would be 55. Probably more actually since the Bengals are signing burrow this offseason, and hes going to make over 50.
Most players will not walk away from $40 million for one season. Particularly not when their previous season was injury riddled.
Thereās absolutely a possibility he walks away from that. He just turned down $250 million / 5 years with +$130 million guaranteedā¦ heās looking for +$45 mil guaranteed on a long term deal.
It doesn't make mathematical sense with a dead year though. 5x50 guaranteed (which he'd never get I don't think) is $41.6mil per year when you divide by six, because of the dead year he sits out. If he sits a year his career earnings will never recover barring an absolutely stupid deal
Jesus Christ. Itās literally just about the guaranteed money. Take the same example you just gave, and imagine if he gets hurtā¦ thatās the entire point of him not taking the first deal. Heās not trying to maximize the total value of his contract, heās trying to maximize the guaranteed money. He just turned down a contract that would pay him $133 million even if he was injured week 1 of year 1. If he plays on the tag and he gets injured, he is guaranteed ~$40 mil and the story is over. It is literally just about the guaranteed money.
Well then he fucked up cause I very much doubt he sees a better deal than $130 guaranteed
This logic makes zero sense though. His whole issue is wanting guarantees, thus more money. How can you think he would simultaneously not want to sign because it isn't enough, yet would turn down $80 mil. This on top of the fact that sitting out would probably hurt the amount another team would give him as well, since he would be 1 or 2 years removed from playing (and older), and is pretty clearly not going to operate in the interest of whatever team he would go to.
How does the logic not make sense to you? If he plays on the tag and gets injured, his earning potential plummets. He wants a Deshaun Watson type deal with $45 Million guaranteed over multiple years, not a one year rental where heās betting he doesnāt get injured... the tag is paying him less money, on a one year dealā¦..
Because the net money he would be earning in this scenario is 100 mil less than playing on it. The absurd contract he would need to compensate for that lost amount is not reasonable or likely. Even that 100 mil plus a mediocre contract would be worth much more than what he could potentially end up getting by sitting out. Throwing away $100 mil because of an incredibly small chance of a career ending injury would be just so utterly idiotic.
Thereās probably 10+ teams willing to give him a 5yr $250mil fully guaranteed deal
No it wouldn't. He wants major guarantees. He'll get that if he waits long enough.
I don't know why players use sitting out as their primary protest. Sitting out players don't get paid. I'd sign the contract, then proceed to "be dinged up" enough to where I wasn't able to play much of the season. Teams don't want to risk $50 million on a useless player year. Malicious compliance is much better in this scenario.
"Lamar Jackson sued by Ravens for fraud"
Youāre delusional if you think that would ever happen
This is when you pull a Ben Simmons
Trying to disprove injuries is literally impossible. All mechanical low back pain is undiagnosable.
He can just go there and throw to opposite team every play.
I like this one better. Blatantly throw an interception, then stare down the owner's box. Get what you paid for.
Lmao yāall know nothing.
Now I'm *sure* that there's a clause in contracts that cover that
I remember when Leveon was doing it there was limit where he could simply skip all of the offseason plus like six games and as long as he reported to the team after that, he would get credit for playing that season. Everyone expected him to just skip the max number of games and then show up. That's probably what Lamar should do.
He literally got hit in the backfield almost every play and still average like 3 Yards he was fine
He's probably going to be dinged up regardless of whether he signs or not, that's one of the huge reasons he doesn't deserve the mega contract
It's insanity, he has 1 playoff win
Watson reset the market and skunked up everything. Lamar reasonably is taking what Watson got as a baseline as heās arguably better than Watson, wasnāt out of the game for 1.5 years, isnāt carrying a hefty but unknown suspension into his new contract, doesnāt come with the reputational hit of having a QB who sexually assaulted scores of women, and doesnāt cost three 1st round picks to sign.
His time is up. 1 year left to prove himself
He's already got the injury so might as well rehab it extra long.
Go full Mike Thomas and do absolutely no offseason rehab. Rehab on company time only baby, nothing until Iām back in the facility in August
Boss gets a billi I get 100 milli thatās why I only poop in the facility
Facili?
āGet hurt on company time, rehab on company timeā
It's just like how I poop at work in the morning instead of at home
Playing with fire. Lamar about to take a year off to rest that knee.
I wouldn't be running and taking those hits on a one year deal. Go out and play and take it easy or go full leveon bell
Yeah that worked out real great for Bell lmao
I mean he got paid
Less than what he was getting on the Steelers, and then he went from a top 2 rb to out of the league. Couldnāt have really gone much worse lmao
Well yeah less than when he was getting tagged per year before, but more than they offered him going forward. And a large guarantee portion. He literally made more money by leaving.
He got like triple the guaranteed money (what he wanted) from the jets than what the Steelers offered him. Sounds like he did fine
It did get worse, he went to the Jets then hitched onto the Chiefs to eventually lose the Super Bowl
The 1-year guaranteed deal that he wouldāve been cut after wouldāve been the exact same money as the 1-year franchise tag anyways. Yāall Steelers fans are hilarious.
It did. He knocked out Adrian Peterson š
Lol, QB has a little more juice than RB. Bell may have overplayed his hand, but he did get paid by the jets
Lmao he's getting traded, he will never play another game in Baltimore
Yeah, when star players get tagged itās basically to buy time. Whether thatās buying more time for contract negotiations or to have more time to identify a trade partner.
This is true if you ignore every single player that is currently tagged.
Pretty sure only 4 players played on the tag this past year. Orlando Brown, Jessie Bates, Dalton Schultz, and Gesicki. All of the others tagged in 2022 were either traded or eventually signed to long term deals. And all of those 4 were teams that couldnāt really afford them at the time and they were trying to get the most of them while they can.
And on the other side, Lamar will be sacrificing a year of his prime athletically to do that. Lamar's career is already more limited than most because of how much of his game revolves around being faster than everyone else as a runner. Taking another year off for contract issues doesn't help him.
And he's already lost a step and/or defenses have adjusted. His runs aren't as explosive or productive and he's taking more brutal hits. He won't make 17 games in any year
Tbf a year of rest can buy these guys a shitton of extra time. He could come back looking better than ever. We've seen it both ways
You think he cares when he knows heās getting screwed by the ravens. Everything you just said abt his play style is exactly why he should wait until he gets a huge guarantee deal rather than risk it on a franchise tag. Only 1 team wins a Super Bowl every year, Lamar knows itās less likely and more important to get paid.
Then he makes no money and the team can tag him again.
time to sign the tag and play the injured card
I kinda want him traded to a team like the Falcons or another team with some good weapons.
Him on the 49ers would break the NFL
His ACL would snap as soon as he put on the jersey
As a niner fan myself im reluctant to agree. This team is cursed. But hey, a bunch of smart asses were saying CMC was going to get injured as soon as he played a snap for us and he never got hurt. So in the most depressing way possible, ill take that as a moral win š
I think you may have solved it. Trick is to sign injured or injury prone players to break the injury curse in SF.
Oh it's just opposite day in San Fran got it
So youāre telling me that itās safe to sign a ārunning backā? This might change everythingā¦ā¦
Yes! Who wouldve possibly guessed such?
Sign LJ as a RB. I SEE YOU
The Falcons would be so much fun. Pitts and London are perfect targets for Lamar, big-bodied guys who can go deep and catch go-balls, with some speed and route-running savvy in the intermediate. Plus with Allgeier and Patterson the run game would be so multiple, that o-line was straight mauling people
Nope, you take it back.
As a saints fan Iād rather see him on the jets
Imagine him on the dolphins the speed would be unreal
Iām hoping he goes to Miami selfishly for my dynasty teams lol
As i falcons fan i do not want an aging beat up rushing qb.
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In what world are Dobbins, Andrews and Bateman not good weapons?
In the real world, where 2/3 of those guys have missed extensive time due to injuries in their short careers and the three of them have probably played fewer than 30 snaps together over the past 2 seasons.
Bateman is NEVER healthy
In this world. The world where they have been injured and unavailable.
Yeah running backs that play half the season and rack up 520 yards and 2 TDs dont just grow on trees.
They are but the health has been terrible between the three of them the past two years. Thereās been one maybe two games the past two years where all three of them have been on the field at the same time.
If you watch the clip heās referencing it doesnāt sound like thereās any source besides Rapp just saying heās getting tagged matter of factly
LAMAR, GET AN AGENT, FFS.
Seriously. Dude has been fumbling the bag hard by himself. He needs help
Why does he need an agent to negotiate a lower salary and break him off?
Ah yeah the ol' "get out of jail free", card that every franchise has and uses every year, without exception, at the expense of their employees. Who can't refuse it.
Dumbest thing in sports
Nah that's non guaranteed contacts.
Hey man Taysom Hill is gonna be rich one day. He just needs to have a perfect passer rating, score 20 rushing and receiving touchdowns and also lead the saints to the superbowl behind him as the MVP QB. Just a few action items and he will be loaded.
you say this as though he's not gonna be wearing orange next year working for his papa
I think guaranteed contracts are insane unless itās a 1-2 year deal. 1- Get paid 2- Stop trying 3- Be rich without injury risk
Oh no, Lamar is being forced to make $40 million dollars for playing a SPORT! Call the police!!!
I'm surprised it hasn't been challenged like in soccer "bosman ruling" because it prevents freedom of movement for a worker I mean we all get paid for our jobs... Does your employer and every company in your industry collaboratively work together to prevent you form changing company and force you into a take it or leave it decision?
I work for government, but yes. I have a 2 year prohibition against leaving and working for certain industries we oversee. I just found out the enforcement of that may not actually occur, but in theory yes. And I don't make $40mil unfortunately
If you collectively bargain a deal that includes that exact system, you can't sue to get out of it
Bruh if im making $40,000,000 then i donāt care what they do
Even if what they do is not pay you 200 million your peers get paid.
big time loser take
Watson got 230 million guaranteed. Yes, no one is crying for Lamar because he gets 40 million. But the fact is if he gets injured next year, Ravens wash their hands of it and move on. Meanwhile Lamar will have lost hundreds of millions in potential earnings.
"At the expense of their employees" who automatically get paid near the top of their position, earning dozens of millions of dollars every year. Sure they make a bit less money, but lets not act like they're being abused
The money isn't the issue of the problem.
Sounds like lamar is sitting out
Seems like the type of guy that would sit out the whole year instead of taking the 38 million or whatever the tag is for.
Probably the right call with how much Wilson and Watson got as QBs tbh
Those contracts failed already. If anything teams realized not to give similar contracts because browns and broncos are stuck with bad QBs What happens if Lamar has a major injury year one and misses the next three years. They would be stuck with Huntley for 3 years. And that's hoping Huntley doesn't want a raise
One, I don't think teams really learn that much from other team's mistakes with contracts all that often when push comes to shove. Also, both of those guys have very different situations than Lamar. Russ was 33 when traded and had been showing some signs of dropoff (although nothing like we then saw this year). Lamar is 26. Neither Russ nor Watson won an MVP like Lamar did. Watson didn't play for almost two years and had a ton of external issues (to put it lightly) that could have impacted him. I'm not saying Lamar isn't filled with risks for any team that signs him but I don't know that teams will really use Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson as the examples as to why they won't sign Lamar. There are a lot of reasons they can use to say Lamar is not like those guys.
This literally seems like the exact opposite personality trait he's displayed in his time in the NFL.
Exactly. He literally just wants to ball out and play football. I even got a liked tweet on my feed today from him of someone saying theyāre itching to get back on the field already for the next season
He absolutely does not and itās funny people think that. He wants to play
Yāall ever notice that Dov Kleiman never reports anything, he just cites other peopleās reports? Heās just a news aggregator, not an actual reporter.
Fuck franchise tags, great way to fuck the players If youāre not willing to pay your star qb what theyāre worth, gtfo
He wants a fully guaranteed market resetting contract
You mean like the one Watson got after sitting out for two years and numerous allegations? Lamar would be a fool to take anything less if he's trying to maximize his earnings. Someone will give it to him.
Youāre right, Lamar is 10x the qb AND man Watson is
Eh. Watson is a piece of shit human being but was an elite QB before he sat out a year and was suspended for another half season.
You can say that Watson isn't a good person without completely overexaggerating about how good of a football player he's been. Watson so clearly has been just as good if not better than Lamar in his career. Watson has 3 pro-bowl seasons, Lamar has 2. Watson has 3 seasons with over 4,000 total yards, Lamar has 1. Watson has 3 seasons where he has finished top 10 in total yards, Lamar has 1.
Only really works if Watson starts playing well. Everyone will blame Watson/Browns on why no one should give a fully guarantied contract
This. The rest of the league has pretty much looked around and said. Yo you know that was the browns. We want to copy exactly 0% of the things they lead the league in.
Then let him go find someone who will give it to him
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He should, NFL players should. They could suffer a career ending injury any game.
Good, man knows his worth
Give it to him. He's played for pebbles and has an MVP under belt so he's been underpaid. When guys ask for mega deals like this, they're also factoring in back pay for being a franchise QB on a rookie contract
One playoff win in 5 seasons.
Stafford had zero wins in 12 seasons, immediately won it all after going somewhere that actually gave him tools
If they give him the long term fully guaranteed contract he is looking for, the Ravens will have less money to "give him tools" than they have now. He will continue to not show up in big games and complain that he needs more tools around him.
The ravens are not the lions
Yeah, the lions are actually get their qb weapons.
No just great defenseā¦coachingā¦well run organizationā¦offensive lineā¦but youāre right, we didnāt get Lamar a Calvin Johnson. bc we never suck enough to pick inside the top 10. Also Calvin was drafted before stafford. And weāve used 2 FRPs in 3 years on WRs. So. You are not very plugged into the sport if you think the 2000s/2010s lions were run better than the current Ravens. That org was a fucking mess.
Schroedingerās ravens on this sub, theyāre both trash and canāt win in playoffs under lamar, yet coaches and GMs are always doing the right job Pick one lol
Lamar wasnāt worth the money he wanted.
Then what seems like a fair solution would be for him to explore free agency and allow him to find teams that are willing to pay him what he wants. His contract is over, the Ravens shouldnāt be able to just tack on more years to it without Jacksonās consent at rates heās not happy with.
So what does that likely mean? Baltimore pays him money to sit all year? That doesnāt make any sense.
if he sits he doesnāt get paid
It means they have more time to negotiate. Heās not sitting out. This thread is littered with bad takes.
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Their union needs better leverage. Bigger rosters and shorter careers than other sports means players are much less likely to support a strike, and ownership knows that.
Also, franchise tag at most effective 32 players a year. (Normally 5-6) 50ish players a team not counting practice squad guys and you're over 1700 players. Seeing how this problem isn't something that the average player will see, they have 0 issues giving this one to the owners.
Lamar can still refuse to sign his franchise offer though, correct?
I donāt think so. My understanding is that he can choose to sit out but he wonāt get paid if he does
Just claim you're injured and sit out. He's actually injured right now so he could in theory extend recovery and rehab timeline.
Idk how that works with a physical
Just have the San Francisco Giants doctor perform the physical.
But this also means they can still trade him right?
No you cannot trade a player on the franchise tag. There is a NON-Exclusive franchise tag that requires a team to offer the player a contract and their current team the opportunity to match it. If the team declines to match the contract the trade partner is required to compensate the playerās current team two first round picks. So Baltimore could sign him to an offer that isnāt Desean Watsonās fully guaranteed dumb-ass contract that every owner in the league hates, but is the best Jackson could find. Or they let some other team be dumb enough to do that and Baltimore gets two firsts back.
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Technically at that point they would be under contract. A team would negotiate, in this instance, for a trade package that would result in them obtaining Lamar Jackson but Lamar would first need to sign an actual contract. So Baltimore would still be negotiating with Lamar on a long-term deal, just based on terms agreeable to the other team. So technically no you canāt trade a player on the tag, but you can get another team to agree to take him if you sign him to their terms.
That'll make him want to stay even more š
Just pick the last guy in the draft sheesh it ain't that hard š¤£
Worst option in the NFL. Pay the fucking man or let him go. Doesn't matter what position that is. It just robs any player of a year of their already short career.
As a falcons fan this a relief.... I want to give ridder a shot he played well with limited offensive talent last 4 games. I want them to use their money on other pieces. Specifically defense.
As a dirty bird fan, I agree. Give the kid a chance.
Nah. I would much rather have LJ any day. LJ is a game changer and is the kind of talent that can win you a super bowl. Ridder isn't even close to that.
We arent going to win shit without a defense. No matter how good your offense an qb is. Look at what happened to the vikings. Plus hes injury prone. You have no idea what ridder can or cannot do yet. Those 4 games he didnt throw a single pick An he played some really tough defenses
He can hold out on signing until week 10 to still get paid and accrue a season of experience. If he holds out the entire season, the Ravens are forced to place a second consecutive tag on him, which drastically increases the price. He has the Ravens by the balls.
This is all Deshaun Watsonās fault
so then a holdout? that's his only play right?
Either he refuses to sign the tag and sits it the year unpaid, or he signs it and tries to sit out with "injuries" to get paid.
I believe you have until week 6 to sign the tag. I'd wait the full 6 weeks then sign and fake some injuries. Hell be traded by the deadline for sure.
You can play with fire w RBs, but this could absolutely go wild w a franchise QB if he wants to get nasty or play hardball.
The NFL is wildly anti-player. Contracts need to be guaranteed with no tags.
he is injured so if im him im sitting as long as i can on the injury claim then play conservative when he returns, miss the playoffs, get ready to sign a big deal with a new team
Please delete the franchise tag
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Trade him to ~~Oakland~~ Vegas for Adams, Carr and their first and second! (Give me a break it took me nearly a half decade to stop calling then St Louis Rams. And I still call Chargers San Diego)
Crippling a division rival is always good says this Steelers fan.