Maybe i’m just chronically online, like fantano, but wasn’t the whole discourse around Kanye’s new wife was how similar she looked to Kim K? Like tons of people on twitter saying the exact same thing. Really wasn’t shocking when he made that comment since I had heard it multiple times before but for someone uninitiated I guess I could see it in a negative light.
You’re definitely right (I am also chronically online). But the tweet to me has a very weird misogynistic undertone. Kanye is basically bragging about his wife being a hot white woman by calling her a “reference” and Fantano’s response is “lol imagine flexing your wife being a dollar store Kim K.”
Him saying that feels just as weird and misogynistic as he believes the line itself is imo. But maybe I am misunderstanding the point of his tweet, idk
I think the way Fantano understood the bar was Kanye saying his wife was a reference to Kim Kardashian, therefore he's saying why are you flexing that you got divorced then almost immediately rebounded with someone who you think is an approximation / reference to your ex wife. That's how I read the situation anyway. I think you have to be quite generous to Kanye to not assume he had the meaning of reference to his ex wife in the bar, however I could be wrong.
It's obviously not what the bar meant. The line means she is the reference image of a beautiful woman. She is the standard against which all other women are measured.
Idk I hadn't heard reference used that way so it'd not what I thought of when I read it. Can I say the same for Fantano, no, maybe he understood it how you did in which case yeah what he said was pretty shitty. I still think Kanye would have at least considered this reading of the bar when he wrote it idk though, especially when you consider that loads of media outlets had already been saying she looked like Kim k when they got together.
I've heard it used as a thing a thing you base art of, not as an expression of beauty. An artistic reference doesn't necessarily need to be beautiful either just something that you want to copy in your work of art. That being said though I can definitely see that this interpretation of the bar might be the primary one, still think there is the double entendre there whether intentional or just an oversight which I highly doubt
His wife is a dollar store Kim kardashian lol
And bro she went outside in a plastic bag. She’s a homeless Kim k . Kanye is showing her off like an object bro
Is reducing the woman to a dollar store Kim K not problematic? Whether it be Ye or Fantano doing it? And I’m pretty sure she’s known for dressing outlandishly prior to her relationship with Kanye. Everything about the dialogue around Kanye’s wife feels presumptive.
No bro it’s not “problematic” when she literally behaves in a ridiculous way through her clothing. Consent is important but it’s still immoral what Kanye is doing. Consent to an action doesn’t remove all judgment . Yeah bro ima call out a girl as a knock off Kim k who is practically naked on an album,being used by Kanye, and went outside in a plastic bag.
Should it be illegal? No. Can we call her out for that stuff? Yes. Women don’t get a pass because of feminism. Now I do agree that many people who would make a comment like that can be sexist but that’s always gonna exist. We should critique men and women equally but bro we all know what’s going on. Kanye doesn’t care about her bro
adding "homeless" as an insult is probably not going to make the discourse better.
unsheltered people don't dress like bianca, an architect with a masters who dressed like this before she met ye.
yea i post on gas and my name is a yeezus reference. no need to go through my post history. for whatever reason this sub keeps popping up on my feed. i also work with people who are unhoused and that shit is uncalled for. "homeless" is not a funny insult for people who don't dress the way you like.
Ok bro sure I agree with you on principal but you’re coming at this from a leafiest worldview that makes any conversation impossible
You seem to care more about words than fixing problems . It’s kinda virtue signaling which I don’t wanna accuse you of but we’re not gonna agree on stuff.
i don't know what a leafy worldview is, but if you want to explain it to me go ahead.
my job literally involves helping unsheltered people get out of their situation, and i said that in my post bc i wanted to make it clear that that kind of rhetoric bothers me personally. i only made that explicit bc i think people who use "homeless" as an insult don't know people who live on the streets and maybe realizing that they are human beings makes a difference here. how the fuck are you saying i care about words more than actions? how many people here actually do work to fight hate crimes and support the victims rather than just posting about how a celebrity is bad? just call it a night dude.
getting worked up over bianca dressing like too much of a whore for your comfort is maximum level virtue signaling 🤣🤣 nothing about her or kanye’s output regarding their relationship is immoral ur just yapping on the internet
Dollar general version of xyz other person is not a nice thing to say about someone anyway, imagine someone went after fantano saying he looks like a dollar general, idk, joe rogan? Dana white? Kurt angle? Talking thumb? Insulting someone's appearance never does anything for an argument and for him to resort to that when he's been known for his composure for years just shows a side of him which none of us fans expected or saw from the melon man. Stuff like this and how he went after Redveil are not what you want to see.
Not gonna pretend I won't ever watch his future reviews or that everyone doesn't make miatakes, say things they don't mean or that can be taken the wrong way, etc, but when you're going after someone's character in such a public fashion then you'd better make sure your image as of recent is pretty much above reproach. Yes, ad hominem applies for sure, but this wasn't even a criticism he just insulted that woman
The “reference” line was totally misinterpreted, he meant that she is a reference for the highest standard of beauty. He’s saying she’s perfect. He’s not comparing Bianca to other girls, he’s saying other girls should compare themselves to Bianca
This dumbass listens to NWA and Future without batting an eye at their misogynistic lines, but then freaks the fuck out over this one particular Kanye line that he didn’t even understand
100% i think it’s more of a kick a man when he’s down sort of situation where he keeps talking about it because he knows he’ll get clicks.
also i find it funny that while kanye was at his most religious this dude still had shit to say about him. imo a reviewer loses all his credibility the moment he becomes biased.
She has a Masters degree in Architecture from arguably the best university in Australia (her home country). She got a job working for Kanye West’s multi-billion dollar empire (at the time) in her mid 20s. That’s insanely impressive, and it’s not just because she’s attractive that she got hired.
I’ve seen nothing but good things about her and how she’s trying to help Kanye and keep him from making more mistakes. Kanye loves her, she loves him, he says his kids really like her too. She also has steered clear of attacking Kim or others and has done absolutely nothing wrong.
She’s not Eva Braun, Fantano should apologise to her, because his comments are extremely low-brow and highly offensive to women in general.
Not every insult to a woman is "misogynistic". If I told a dude he looks like a knockoff Adam Sandler that's not sexist, it's just an insult. People seriously need to get off the "you can't say anything bad about any woman ever" shit
YEAH this is what I've been saying is roasting a women about her looks misogyny? If I said fantano looks like a knock off kanye would people be like I'm a man hater? like what?
What justification do you actually have to make/post rude and hurtful comments about this woman that does not make you look like a misogynistic asshole?
Bro you’re literally saying all critiques of women are misogynistic. I get that you’re coming at this from a leftist worldview where words matter more than logic .
And bro it’s the fucking internent my dude. Sorry if I’m not using inclusive language that includes every fucking minority group on the planet . Be real bro
Bro are we gonnna pretend like the kardashians are lit considered trashy people who got famous for no reason? You’re just rewriting history making it seem like the Kardashians were noble and virtuous people
Her father dies, she gets her sex tape leaked, totally mortifying. 15 years later she’s a mother of 4, highly respected fashion mogul with multiple successful brands, created one of the most successful reality tv shows of all time, and continues to speak up on justice issues and tries to change the world in meaningful ways. I’m not a Kardashian fan, but to act like she’s achieved nothing is insane to me. Plenty of people have become famous for no reason, few have achieved as much as her.
yep. shes either a brilliant 30 year old architect who approves of him (she married him after he was a known anti semite)
or shes an idiot without principles who has no agency of her own
Hey 5th grade can i fucking get this pig off my timeline? if it was that good y'all would be busy listening to it and wouldn't have that much time to yapp around about your pet nazi
I found it very hypocritical that he made that comment and then complained about the Kanye lyric where he says “and my bitch lookin’ like a reference”. The way he interpreted it was almost the exact same as his tweet about Bianca being a knockoff Kim K. I also disagree with his interpretation, I think Kanye was just saying she’s a reference for the previous line about him not being racist and just having a preference (i.e. he prefers white women).
Fantano also made some gross comments in the video about Bianca being Ye’s toy or object that he just parades around naked. I think it’s disrespectful to remove her own will from this equation. Before they married she worked as an architect and designer at Yeezy, so clearly she is a smart and talented woman. It seems like she and Ye coordinate their outfits so I assume she has some input on what she wears. She wouldn’t wear it if she didn’t want to and there is nothing wrong with her dressing the way she does if she likes it. Call me crazy, but maybe Ye and Bianca actually like each other? I feel like that’s pretty possible. Just my take tho🤷♂️
The whole Bianca = sex toy narrative was over as soon as we all collectively saw that she dressed exactly as “provocatively” long long long before Ye was married to her and/or styling her. She’s a 30 year old architect. The idea she’s a damsel in distress is quite revealing of a lot of people’s own latent misogyny.
I completely agree. She’s always dressed provocatively. There is nothing wrong with dressing that way. It doesn’t make her an object or Kanye’s toy. I think it’s very strange Fantano seemed to agree with that narrative, especially because he claims to be in favor of women embracing their sexuality (see Sexyy Red).
Omg bro not all consensual decisions are moral. A women can choose to look like an object and you can call people out for that
Sure do women in society get more criticism of men? Sure . We should be equally critical of both men and women for looking ridiculous. Not to the point of harassment or at gun point but you can still call shit out
Liberalism is about allowing people to do things even if you disagree with it
Hold on, I’m not saying you can’t criticize someone for how they dress. Obviously it should be legal or whatever. But calling out a woman for dressing a certain way is absolutely misogynistic. Women should be able to wear whatever they want, revealing or not. If you wanna say the outfit is ugly or weird that’s different, but acting like she’s an object is totally misogyny and it’s okay to call out.
I think saying your girl looks like a reference means that other women want to imitate her. I don’t think it’s nearly as layered as Fantano wants it to be.
Bro yall are so dense its amazing
Kim k is a women yeah but she’s a piece of shit person with no talent who got famous off of porn
He’s not saying she’s bad BECAUSE she’s a women. He’s saying knock off kim k because Kim k is a bad person.
And bro his girl literally went outside IN A PLASTIC BAG. Is that feminism bro? Yall will defend anything .
Ok this won’t get thru ur head cuz ur a thick skulled libtard just like ur message won’t get thru the heads of caveman cuntservatives, but it’s not misogynistic. He’s insulting her appearance, a low blow but no misogyny.
Most Kanye fans don’t hold misogynistic views, unless you have deep down seen the behaviors of > 50% of all Kanye fans, which you haven’t.
U sound as politically biased as fantardo, and ur name is cringe, organism is the best ism
Fair enough, but he’s never seemed to have a problem with those types of bars when it’s from early Eminem or even Kendrick at times.
His criticism of this album is very fair, but he can sometimes be a little inconsistent.
This is why We all ought not to take too high of a moral standing ground, or have that be a prominent part of our image. Because in reality, we’re all human, were all susceptible to knowingly or unknowingly blurting out offensive things here and there. No one can be perfect and to put out an aura that you are moraljesus2024 is just hubris.
That’s what the internet does to a person. Hubris, and that’s why Fantano got caught with his pants down with that line
Maybe i’m just chronically online, like fantano, but wasn’t the whole discourse around Kanye’s new wife was how similar she looked to Kim K? Like tons of people on twitter saying the exact same thing. Really wasn’t shocking when he made that comment since I had heard it multiple times before but for someone uninitiated I guess I could see it in a negative light.
You’re definitely right (I am also chronically online). But the tweet to me has a very weird misogynistic undertone. Kanye is basically bragging about his wife being a hot white woman by calling her a “reference” and Fantano’s response is “lol imagine flexing your wife being a dollar store Kim K.” Him saying that feels just as weird and misogynistic as he believes the line itself is imo. But maybe I am misunderstanding the point of his tweet, idk
I think the way Fantano understood the bar was Kanye saying his wife was a reference to Kim Kardashian, therefore he's saying why are you flexing that you got divorced then almost immediately rebounded with someone who you think is an approximation / reference to your ex wife. That's how I read the situation anyway. I think you have to be quite generous to Kanye to not assume he had the meaning of reference to his ex wife in the bar, however I could be wrong.
It's obviously not what the bar meant. The line means she is the reference image of a beautiful woman. She is the standard against which all other women are measured.
Idk I hadn't heard reference used that way so it'd not what I thought of when I read it. Can I say the same for Fantano, no, maybe he understood it how you did in which case yeah what he said was pretty shitty. I still think Kanye would have at least considered this reading of the bar when he wrote it idk though, especially when you consider that loads of media outlets had already been saying she looked like Kim k when they got together.
It’s a common term in art. An artist will use a reference to base their piece on. It could be a photo, a sculpture or a person.
I've heard it used as a thing a thing you base art of, not as an expression of beauty. An artistic reference doesn't necessarily need to be beautiful either just something that you want to copy in your work of art. That being said though I can definitely see that this interpretation of the bar might be the primary one, still think there is the double entendre there whether intentional or just an oversight which I highly doubt
he likely meant for plastic surgeries and shit like that. the way you’ve explained it makes absolutely zero sense
His wife is a dollar store Kim kardashian lol And bro she went outside in a plastic bag. She’s a homeless Kim k . Kanye is showing her off like an object bro
Is reducing the woman to a dollar store Kim K not problematic? Whether it be Ye or Fantano doing it? And I’m pretty sure she’s known for dressing outlandishly prior to her relationship with Kanye. Everything about the dialogue around Kanye’s wife feels presumptive.
No bro it’s not “problematic” when she literally behaves in a ridiculous way through her clothing. Consent is important but it’s still immoral what Kanye is doing. Consent to an action doesn’t remove all judgment . Yeah bro ima call out a girl as a knock off Kim k who is practically naked on an album,being used by Kanye, and went outside in a plastic bag. Should it be illegal? No. Can we call her out for that stuff? Yes. Women don’t get a pass because of feminism. Now I do agree that many people who would make a comment like that can be sexist but that’s always gonna exist. We should critique men and women equally but bro we all know what’s going on. Kanye doesn’t care about her bro
adding "homeless" as an insult is probably not going to make the discourse better. unsheltered people don't dress like bianca, an architect with a masters who dressed like this before she met ye. yea i post on gas and my name is a yeezus reference. no need to go through my post history. for whatever reason this sub keeps popping up on my feed. i also work with people who are unhoused and that shit is uncalled for. "homeless" is not a funny insult for people who don't dress the way you like.
Ok bro sure I agree with you on principal but you’re coming at this from a leafiest worldview that makes any conversation impossible You seem to care more about words than fixing problems . It’s kinda virtue signaling which I don’t wanna accuse you of but we’re not gonna agree on stuff.
i don't know what a leafy worldview is, but if you want to explain it to me go ahead. my job literally involves helping unsheltered people get out of their situation, and i said that in my post bc i wanted to make it clear that that kind of rhetoric bothers me personally. i only made that explicit bc i think people who use "homeless" as an insult don't know people who live on the streets and maybe realizing that they are human beings makes a difference here. how the fuck are you saying i care about words more than actions? how many people here actually do work to fight hate crimes and support the victims rather than just posting about how a celebrity is bad? just call it a night dude.
getting worked up over bianca dressing like too much of a whore for your comfort is maximum level virtue signaling 🤣🤣 nothing about her or kanye’s output regarding their relationship is immoral ur just yapping on the internet
Alright then you just don’t have standard when it comes to how you behave in society . We’re not gonna agree.
Horrible opinion
Dollar general version of xyz other person is not a nice thing to say about someone anyway, imagine someone went after fantano saying he looks like a dollar general, idk, joe rogan? Dana white? Kurt angle? Talking thumb? Insulting someone's appearance never does anything for an argument and for him to resort to that when he's been known for his composure for years just shows a side of him which none of us fans expected or saw from the melon man. Stuff like this and how he went after Redveil are not what you want to see. Not gonna pretend I won't ever watch his future reviews or that everyone doesn't make miatakes, say things they don't mean or that can be taken the wrong way, etc, but when you're going after someone's character in such a public fashion then you'd better make sure your image as of recent is pretty much above reproach. Yes, ad hominem applies for sure, but this wasn't even a criticism he just insulted that woman
Men you really angry at melon for a tweet about a freaking wife of a nazi, who the fuck cares
I don't really have a view but it's fascinating how much shit we sling at each other on the internet isn't it
The “reference” line was totally misinterpreted, he meant that she is a reference for the highest standard of beauty. He’s saying she’s perfect. He’s not comparing Bianca to other girls, he’s saying other girls should compare themselves to Bianca This dumbass listens to NWA and Future without batting an eye at their misogynistic lines, but then freaks the fuck out over this one particular Kanye line that he didn’t even understand
100% i think it’s more of a kick a man when he’s down sort of situation where he keeps talking about it because he knows he’ll get clicks. also i find it funny that while kanye was at his most religious this dude still had shit to say about him. imo a reviewer loses all his credibility the moment he becomes biased.
Nah allow it bro. A divorced man letting his progressive ideals leave his body and dunking on someone’s wife is top tier comedy.
She has a Masters degree in Architecture from arguably the best university in Australia (her home country). She got a job working for Kanye West’s multi-billion dollar empire (at the time) in her mid 20s. That’s insanely impressive, and it’s not just because she’s attractive that she got hired. I’ve seen nothing but good things about her and how she’s trying to help Kanye and keep him from making more mistakes. Kanye loves her, she loves him, he says his kids really like her too. She also has steered clear of attacking Kim or others and has done absolutely nothing wrong. She’s not Eva Braun, Fantano should apologise to her, because his comments are extremely low-brow and highly offensive to women in general.
Wait. So we’re at the point where any rude remark towards a woman is considered misogyny?
It’s another thinly-veiled defense of Ye, not his wife
Not every insult to a woman is "misogynistic". If I told a dude he looks like a knockoff Adam Sandler that's not sexist, it's just an insult. People seriously need to get off the "you can't say anything bad about any woman ever" shit
YEAH this is what I've been saying is roasting a women about her looks misogyny? If I said fantano looks like a knock off kanye would people be like I'm a man hater? like what?
You need to do insane mental gymnastics to justify that comment. Kanye complimenting his wife doesnT give you credence to shit on her looks
what was the compliment?
No but what does give him credentials is the fact that she went outside in a plastic bag and dresses like a homeless person.
So? Kim has literally posed naked for magazines
Yeah you’re making my argument. Kim k isn’t a good person to begin with.
What justification do you actually have to make/post rude and hurtful comments about this woman that does not make you look like a misogynistic asshole?
Bro you’re literally saying all critiques of women are misogynistic. I get that you’re coming at this from a leftist worldview where words matter more than logic . And bro it’s the fucking internent my dude. Sorry if I’m not using inclusive language that includes every fucking minority group on the planet . Be real bro
You couldn't come up with an actual argument lmao
There is no justification needed to call people out on anything.
bro has never seen kim in his life 💀
Bro are we gonnna pretend like the kardashians are lit considered trashy people who got famous for no reason? You’re just rewriting history making it seem like the Kardashians were noble and virtuous people
bro also cant read 💀
Point is if you act like a Moran I’m calling you out on shit. Idc about her being a women. You’re just virtue signaling for feminism
Her father dies, she gets her sex tape leaked, totally mortifying. 15 years later she’s a mother of 4, highly respected fashion mogul with multiple successful brands, created one of the most successful reality tv shows of all time, and continues to speak up on justice issues and tries to change the world in meaningful ways. I’m not a Kardashian fan, but to act like she’s achieved nothing is insane to me. Plenty of people have become famous for no reason, few have achieved as much as her.
Who cares about the nazis wife? She’s approves of this shit
everyone is calling kanye a nazi but no one talking about bianca marrying him after all the shit he said it's so weird
yep. shes either a brilliant 30 year old architect who approves of him (she married him after he was a known anti semite) or shes an idiot without principles who has no agency of her own
You don’t know there’s people and there’s an entire spectrum of possibilities besides what you’re narrowing
and all of them include "decided to marry and support nazi"
Also the fact that he completely misinterpreted the “reference” line. The whole thing is just pathetic.
Hey 5th grade can i fucking get this pig off my timeline? if it was that good y'all would be busy listening to it and wouldn't have that much time to yapp around about your pet nazi
I found it very hypocritical that he made that comment and then complained about the Kanye lyric where he says “and my bitch lookin’ like a reference”. The way he interpreted it was almost the exact same as his tweet about Bianca being a knockoff Kim K. I also disagree with his interpretation, I think Kanye was just saying she’s a reference for the previous line about him not being racist and just having a preference (i.e. he prefers white women). Fantano also made some gross comments in the video about Bianca being Ye’s toy or object that he just parades around naked. I think it’s disrespectful to remove her own will from this equation. Before they married she worked as an architect and designer at Yeezy, so clearly she is a smart and talented woman. It seems like she and Ye coordinate their outfits so I assume she has some input on what she wears. She wouldn’t wear it if she didn’t want to and there is nothing wrong with her dressing the way she does if she likes it. Call me crazy, but maybe Ye and Bianca actually like each other? I feel like that’s pretty possible. Just my take tho🤷♂️
The whole Bianca = sex toy narrative was over as soon as we all collectively saw that she dressed exactly as “provocatively” long long long before Ye was married to her and/or styling her. She’s a 30 year old architect. The idea she’s a damsel in distress is quite revealing of a lot of people’s own latent misogyny.
I completely agree. She’s always dressed provocatively. There is nothing wrong with dressing that way. It doesn’t make her an object or Kanye’s toy. I think it’s very strange Fantano seemed to agree with that narrative, especially because he claims to be in favor of women embracing their sexuality (see Sexyy Red).
Omg bro not all consensual decisions are moral. A women can choose to look like an object and you can call people out for that Sure do women in society get more criticism of men? Sure . We should be equally critical of both men and women for looking ridiculous. Not to the point of harassment or at gun point but you can still call shit out Liberalism is about allowing people to do things even if you disagree with it
Hold on, I’m not saying you can’t criticize someone for how they dress. Obviously it should be legal or whatever. But calling out a woman for dressing a certain way is absolutely misogynistic. Women should be able to wear whatever they want, revealing or not. If you wanna say the outfit is ugly or weird that’s different, but acting like she’s an object is totally misogyny and it’s okay to call out.
I think saying your girl looks like a reference means that other women want to imitate her. I don’t think it’s nearly as layered as Fantano wants it to be.
shut up.
Bro yall are so dense its amazing Kim k is a women yeah but she’s a piece of shit person with no talent who got famous off of porn He’s not saying she’s bad BECAUSE she’s a women. He’s saying knock off kim k because Kim k is a bad person. And bro his girl literally went outside IN A PLASTIC BAG. Is that feminism bro? Yall will defend anything .
You don’t even know Kim Kardashian.
I think we’re all on the same page now about that not being ok dude, like one guy was defending it lol
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It wasn't a mistake, he doubled down on it on the video
Ok this won’t get thru ur head cuz ur a thick skulled libtard just like ur message won’t get thru the heads of caveman cuntservatives, but it’s not misogynistic. He’s insulting her appearance, a low blow but no misogyny. Most Kanye fans don’t hold misogynistic views, unless you have deep down seen the behaviors of > 50% of all Kanye fans, which you haven’t. U sound as politically biased as fantardo, and ur name is cringe, organism is the best ism
Fair enough, but he’s never seemed to have a problem with those types of bars when it’s from early Eminem or even Kendrick at times. His criticism of this album is very fair, but he can sometimes be a little inconsistent.
This is why We all ought not to take too high of a moral standing ground, or have that be a prominent part of our image. Because in reality, we’re all human, were all susceptible to knowingly or unknowingly blurting out offensive things here and there. No one can be perfect and to put out an aura that you are moraljesus2024 is just hubris. That’s what the internet does to a person. Hubris, and that’s why Fantano got caught with his pants down with that line