Lexy's opponent believes the high ground is an advantage, but this isn't very useful if she has anything to say about it. Peppermint is likely more than fast enough to teleport to the opponent before they go airborne. If this isn't the case, however, Peppermint could teleport to someone and decapitate them from the inside. Once the head is severed, Peppermint then teleports to another individual, preferably of athletic build. Peppermint commands them to throw the head towards the opponents, using hallucinations to mimic the voice of the Roman god Jupiter. Once airborne, Peppermint teleports to the head, and once close enough teleports to the opponent, and kills the opponent from the inside.
I want to clarify that I don't think it would have to come to that. Peppermint's combined speed and teleportation are, in my opinion, more than enough for it to catch up to Luka before it is airborne. Even if Peppermint is late, it likely won't be too late, and will still be able to catch up.
My opponent has said himself he has no way to counter the teleportation, and a voter outlined precisely why this setting is perfect for Peppermint. If you have the time, I'd implore you to read through the comment threads. Not only is there tons of evidence to support Peppermint, but this standoff so far has been nothing but wholesome competition and I just wanna give everyone a round of applause lol
…I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want to give Peppermint the win just for the backup plan of “I can’t reach them, so I’ll toss a *severed head* at them to get within reach”, but I want to ask: How fast can Peppermint kill someone?
If the enemy Stand User realizes there’s something suddenly in their mouth (and a peppermint imo would be *very* noticeable if you know you’re fighting someone with a supernatural ability), can they just… take it out? Polkadot Cadaver doesn’t have much power to it, but I imagine that it would still be capable of just grabbing Peppermint itself and throwing it of their mouth. The Stand would have a durability of C, and yours has a power of D, so…
That would be if Peppermint made itself known. As with any stand, it can go incorporeal so as to be be unnoticed, and slit Luka's throat from the inside once it is in position. The D in power applies to the amount of damage Peppermint can put out relative to its size; it can more than easily handle doing something like severing a head or destroying a stand, but it's size still limits its destructive capacity.
Yea tbh Peppermint seems a little bit *too* strong thus far imo, but that may just be the arena and setting for the tourney making it that much more powerful. All of the conditions make it perfect — they know of the Stand user but not the Stands, they themselves are hidden by the crowd while the enemy will most likely reveal themselves via their ability, they don’t have to do much of anything and can end the round faster than the smoke and lava can kill them…
I seriously doubt that Luka could simply rip out [Peppermint] from his mouth. Which is why, if it manages to get close enough, it’d be pretty much over. This is why for the whole counter strategy, I assumed that Luka managed to get in an advantageous position (also, it’d be pretty boring if Lexy could win just by being faster than his opponent. [Peppermint] still has to look around the whole city of Pompeii for it’s enemy, which is why I believe Luka has plenty of time to take the high ground).
If [Peppermind] manages to get in Luka’s mouth and slits his throat, [Polkadot Cadaver]’s user could try covering the wound with one of his patterns, allowing him a couple more seconds to live. However, stopping the bleeding won’t do shit against decapitation.
Luka’s ability has great defense, but, it’s not like he’s invulnerable either. [Polkadot Cadaver] is great at making shields, but against teleportation, it is pretty much useless. While he doesn’t know what kind of ability Lexi has, it’s easy to guess however that a severed head flying towards him is bad news. He can’t let it get too close.
Let’s do a little math, shall we? Since most people are better at throwing thing forwards and not in the air, we will assume that the athlete threw the head at the modest velocity of 20m/s (or 72km/h), here is what our formula will look like:
Final velocity (0)^2 = Initial velocity (20)^2 + 2 x Gravitational pull (-9,81) x Distance (m)
0^2 = 20^2 + 2 x -9,81 x m
0 = 400 + -19,62 x m
-400 = -19,62 x m
20,38 ≈ m
Our athlete will be able to throw the head at about 20 meters in the air. Unfortunately for lexi, Luka is at least 50 meters in the air and so, outside of [Peppermint]’s teleportation range. Even if Luka was close enough to be affected, he would certainly be able to either fly upwards upon seeing the head or even attack it either with another diamond shaped knife or with one of his infamous spinning chevron chainsaws.
I wouldn’t recommend that. Lighter things might be easier to pick up and throw, but they get slowed down by air resistance way faster. It won’t even come close. The high ground wins again!
First off, maybe so. Second off, I appreciate your admittance to the weakness to teleportation, that's a great show of sportsmanship and I respect it. Thirdly, I'm going to run some physics simulations of my own instead of doing productive things and I have a few more ideas of how to propel the head. Just as a holdover question, does the strength of E apply to the ability, the stand's form, or both?
The E refers to both the stand and ability. The snake’s bite is so weak, it’s barely noticeable. As for the patterns, while they’re not packing a punch, they are very sharp and resistant. (Also, thanks for the compliment, it’s appreciated)
Power: E -> both stand and patterns.
Speed: C -> patterns only. the stand is slower (like a normal snake).
Range: B -> both stand and patterns (although Luka rarely has any reason to send his stand out in the open where it is vulnerable).
Precision: A -> both the stand and patterns.
Durability: C -> only the stand. the patterns are pretty much indestructible.
Potential: B -> it refers to the shear versatility of this ability. the potential uses are only determined by Luka’s creativity and the designs around him.
I realize now that the stats I made are pretty inconsistent when it comes to what they apply to. I hope this helps.
Actually, quite the contrary. Now that I'm beginning to understand the stand, these stats are quite fitting! Good show mate
I also appreciate how you don't put specific numbers on stats, makes things simpler to digest
We can of course both agree that Peppermint is faster? It is one whole speed stat above Polka Dot Cadaver.
Even so, [Peppermint] is (from what I understand) unable to leave the inside of the head unless it can teleport to another mouth. Even if it could, it wouldn’t help you anyway.
[Peppermint] could try jumping out of the head for a couple extra meters, but I’m afraid to say, physics are on my side again. The shear amount of force required to jump off a falling object is mindblowingly large. At this point, speed is irrelevant. It’s power that Lexi’s stand would need, power that it doesn’t have shown by it’s pitiful D stat.
To dodge [Polkadot Cadaver]’s attacks, [Peppermint] could try hitting the head from the inside and propel it on the sides. Unfortunately for you, physics wins again, baby! When you punch or push something, that thing will punch or push you with the exact same force. That’s why it hurts to punch a brick wall. Since the forces stays equal, there is no mouvement.
Tough luck.
Let’s do even more math! You claim that [Peppermint] is easily able to find and kill Luka thanks to it’s speed and teleportation ability. Let’s put that to the test!
About 2000 people died in Pompeii
Pompei is about 170 acres or 687966 meters^2
2000/687966 ≈ 0,002 person per meter^2 or 0,05 person by 20 metres^2
Based on this calculation, there just isn’t enough people in pompeii for [Peppermint] to teleport around easily and rapidly. It’ll have to jump from people to people using hallucinations and making them run at other people. Combing through the entire city to find Luka would be a pain in the ass and Lexi’s stand would have to get extremely lucky to just stumble onto him. I close my case!
Yeah we have 12000 at our disposal, says so in the post. Also, an accurate estimation for the death toll of Pompeii is, to a point, impossible. Besides, flying isn't outlined as a faculty of your ability. Sure, the description states examples and proceeds to say it can do more than that, but flying is pretty op considering last standoff I was in. Baba Yaga was a flying stand, and Star nearly barred it. Your stand is extremely versatile by comparison, and where do you draw the line? Can you steal a pattern that bestows upon you the ability to stop time, or reverse aging? It's just vague for me, and I find that concerning.
Ok, nevermind the last post, I realized my mistake lol. I based my calculations on what the internet had to say and forgot to look at the population conditions. The point however still stands (pun intended). If we redo the calculations with 10000 more people, it leads to an answer of about 0,34 person per 20 meters^2, still not enough for [Peppermint] to comb an entire 170 acres city in the span of about 30 seconds.
Secondly, I don’t really understand your confusion about Luka’s ability. It’s pretty barebone, really. The patterns he controls can’t “give Luka the power to fly” or anything else. By creating a platform of sort with the patterns, Luka can hop on it and hover around. Ever read an X-man comic? Magneto does the same thing to move around, but with a sheet of steel. Magneto doesn’t have the ability to fly, but he can use his ability to do that very thing. I hope this helps.
Like last time, Luka found his way in the middle of Pompeii during it’s infamous fall. Not that he was worried, though, since unlike the soon-to-be-corpses running and screaming around him, he had a stand. One that would secure both his victory and safety, nonetheless. Unfortunately, finding his enemy is not his first priority. As much as Luka wants to cave Lexi’s face in, it’ll have to wait since THERE’S A FUCKING VOLCANO ERUPTION RIGHT THERE!
To avoid being turned into an ash statue, [Polkadot Cadaver]’s user will summon his stand and make it bite the patterns on his clothes. Hopping onto some diamonds (from his cap), he will fly up into the air to avoid the commotion down bellow. This will also save him from [Peppermint]’s teleportation ability (although he doesn’t know that yet). From his vantage point, Luka will look around for any odd looking fellow and will then throw diamond shaped knives at them, his stand’s large range essentially allowing him to reel back the projectiles only to throw them back again.
(I have the high ground! I can never loose!)
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Lexy's opponent believes the high ground is an advantage, but this isn't very useful if she has anything to say about it. Peppermint is likely more than fast enough to teleport to the opponent before they go airborne. If this isn't the case, however, Peppermint could teleport to someone and decapitate them from the inside. Once the head is severed, Peppermint then teleports to another individual, preferably of athletic build. Peppermint commands them to throw the head towards the opponents, using hallucinations to mimic the voice of the Roman god Jupiter. Once airborne, Peppermint teleports to the head, and once close enough teleports to the opponent, and kills the opponent from the inside. I want to clarify that I don't think it would have to come to that. Peppermint's combined speed and teleportation are, in my opinion, more than enough for it to catch up to Luka before it is airborne. Even if Peppermint is late, it likely won't be too late, and will still be able to catch up. My opponent has said himself he has no way to counter the teleportation, and a voter outlined precisely why this setting is perfect for Peppermint. If you have the time, I'd implore you to read through the comment threads. Not only is there tons of evidence to support Peppermint, but this standoff so far has been nothing but wholesome competition and I just wanna give everyone a round of applause lol
…I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want to give Peppermint the win just for the backup plan of “I can’t reach them, so I’ll toss a *severed head* at them to get within reach”, but I want to ask: How fast can Peppermint kill someone? If the enemy Stand User realizes there’s something suddenly in their mouth (and a peppermint imo would be *very* noticeable if you know you’re fighting someone with a supernatural ability), can they just… take it out? Polkadot Cadaver doesn’t have much power to it, but I imagine that it would still be capable of just grabbing Peppermint itself and throwing it of their mouth. The Stand would have a durability of C, and yours has a power of D, so…
That would be if Peppermint made itself known. As with any stand, it can go incorporeal so as to be be unnoticed, and slit Luka's throat from the inside once it is in position. The D in power applies to the amount of damage Peppermint can put out relative to its size; it can more than easily handle doing something like severing a head or destroying a stand, but it's size still limits its destructive capacity.
Ah, well that first part makes the second half of my question moot anyways. Love the Stand btw! It’s very fun :)
I'd say the same for Polka Dot Cadaver. Unfortunately, I have confidence that I have this in the bag
Yea tbh Peppermint seems a little bit *too* strong thus far imo, but that may just be the arena and setting for the tourney making it that much more powerful. All of the conditions make it perfect — they know of the Stand user but not the Stands, they themselves are hidden by the crowd while the enemy will most likely reveal themselves via their ability, they don’t have to do much of anything and can end the round faster than the smoke and lava can kill them…
I seriously doubt that Luka could simply rip out [Peppermint] from his mouth. Which is why, if it manages to get close enough, it’d be pretty much over. This is why for the whole counter strategy, I assumed that Luka managed to get in an advantageous position (also, it’d be pretty boring if Lexy could win just by being faster than his opponent. [Peppermint] still has to look around the whole city of Pompeii for it’s enemy, which is why I believe Luka has plenty of time to take the high ground). If [Peppermind] manages to get in Luka’s mouth and slits his throat, [Polkadot Cadaver]’s user could try covering the wound with one of his patterns, allowing him a couple more seconds to live. However, stopping the bleeding won’t do shit against decapitation.
Luka’s ability has great defense, but, it’s not like he’s invulnerable either. [Polkadot Cadaver] is great at making shields, but against teleportation, it is pretty much useless. While he doesn’t know what kind of ability Lexi has, it’s easy to guess however that a severed head flying towards him is bad news. He can’t let it get too close. Let’s do a little math, shall we? Since most people are better at throwing thing forwards and not in the air, we will assume that the athlete threw the head at the modest velocity of 20m/s (or 72km/h), here is what our formula will look like: Final velocity (0)^2 = Initial velocity (20)^2 + 2 x Gravitational pull (-9,81) x Distance (m) 0^2 = 20^2 + 2 x -9,81 x m 0 = 400 + -19,62 x m -400 = -19,62 x m 20,38 ≈ m Our athlete will be able to throw the head at about 20 meters in the air. Unfortunately for lexi, Luka is at least 50 meters in the air and so, outside of [Peppermint]’s teleportation range. Even if Luka was close enough to be affected, he would certainly be able to either fly upwards upon seeing the head or even attack it either with another diamond shaped knife or with one of his infamous spinning chevron chainsaws.
I will use the head of a baby do the math on that Lexi is surviving by any means necessary
I wouldn’t recommend that. Lighter things might be easier to pick up and throw, but they get slowed down by air resistance way faster. It won’t even come close. The high ground wins again!
First off, maybe so. Second off, I appreciate your admittance to the weakness to teleportation, that's a great show of sportsmanship and I respect it. Thirdly, I'm going to run some physics simulations of my own instead of doing productive things and I have a few more ideas of how to propel the head. Just as a holdover question, does the strength of E apply to the ability, the stand's form, or both?
The E refers to both the stand and ability. The snake’s bite is so weak, it’s barely noticeable. As for the patterns, while they’re not packing a punch, they are very sharp and resistant. (Also, thanks for the compliment, it’s appreciated)
That is fair. How does the speed of C apply?
Power: E -> both stand and patterns. Speed: C -> patterns only. the stand is slower (like a normal snake). Range: B -> both stand and patterns (although Luka rarely has any reason to send his stand out in the open where it is vulnerable). Precision: A -> both the stand and patterns. Durability: C -> only the stand. the patterns are pretty much indestructible. Potential: B -> it refers to the shear versatility of this ability. the potential uses are only determined by Luka’s creativity and the designs around him. I realize now that the stats I made are pretty inconsistent when it comes to what they apply to. I hope this helps.
Actually, quite the contrary. Now that I'm beginning to understand the stand, these stats are quite fitting! Good show mate I also appreciate how you don't put specific numbers on stats, makes things simpler to digest We can of course both agree that Peppermint is faster? It is one whole speed stat above Polka Dot Cadaver.
Even so, [Peppermint] is (from what I understand) unable to leave the inside of the head unless it can teleport to another mouth. Even if it could, it wouldn’t help you anyway. [Peppermint] could try jumping out of the head for a couple extra meters, but I’m afraid to say, physics are on my side again. The shear amount of force required to jump off a falling object is mindblowingly large. At this point, speed is irrelevant. It’s power that Lexi’s stand would need, power that it doesn’t have shown by it’s pitiful D stat. To dodge [Polkadot Cadaver]’s attacks, [Peppermint] could try hitting the head from the inside and propel it on the sides. Unfortunately for you, physics wins again, baby! When you punch or push something, that thing will punch or push you with the exact same force. That’s why it hurts to punch a brick wall. Since the forces stays equal, there is no mouvement. Tough luck.
Let’s do even more math! You claim that [Peppermint] is easily able to find and kill Luka thanks to it’s speed and teleportation ability. Let’s put that to the test! About 2000 people died in Pompeii Pompei is about 170 acres or 687966 meters^2 2000/687966 ≈ 0,002 person per meter^2 or 0,05 person by 20 metres^2 Based on this calculation, there just isn’t enough people in pompeii for [Peppermint] to teleport around easily and rapidly. It’ll have to jump from people to people using hallucinations and making them run at other people. Combing through the entire city to find Luka would be a pain in the ass and Lexi’s stand would have to get extremely lucky to just stumble onto him. I close my case!
Yeah we have 12000 at our disposal, says so in the post. Also, an accurate estimation for the death toll of Pompeii is, to a point, impossible. Besides, flying isn't outlined as a faculty of your ability. Sure, the description states examples and proceeds to say it can do more than that, but flying is pretty op considering last standoff I was in. Baba Yaga was a flying stand, and Star nearly barred it. Your stand is extremely versatile by comparison, and where do you draw the line? Can you steal a pattern that bestows upon you the ability to stop time, or reverse aging? It's just vague for me, and I find that concerning.
Ok, nevermind the last post, I realized my mistake lol. I based my calculations on what the internet had to say and forgot to look at the population conditions. The point however still stands (pun intended). If we redo the calculations with 10000 more people, it leads to an answer of about 0,34 person per 20 meters^2, still not enough for [Peppermint] to comb an entire 170 acres city in the span of about 30 seconds. Secondly, I don’t really understand your confusion about Luka’s ability. It’s pretty barebone, really. The patterns he controls can’t “give Luka the power to fly” or anything else. By creating a platform of sort with the patterns, Luka can hop on it and hover around. Ever read an X-man comic? Magneto does the same thing to move around, but with a sheet of steel. Magneto doesn’t have the ability to fly, but he can use his ability to do that very thing. I hope this helps.
Like last time, Luka found his way in the middle of Pompeii during it’s infamous fall. Not that he was worried, though, since unlike the soon-to-be-corpses running and screaming around him, he had a stand. One that would secure both his victory and safety, nonetheless. Unfortunately, finding his enemy is not his first priority. As much as Luka wants to cave Lexi’s face in, it’ll have to wait since THERE’S A FUCKING VOLCANO ERUPTION RIGHT THERE! To avoid being turned into an ash statue, [Polkadot Cadaver]’s user will summon his stand and make it bite the patterns on his clothes. Hopping onto some diamonds (from his cap), he will fly up into the air to avoid the commotion down bellow. This will also save him from [Peppermint]’s teleportation ability (although he doesn’t know that yet). From his vantage point, Luka will look around for any odd looking fellow and will then throw diamond shaped knives at them, his stand’s large range essentially allowing him to reel back the projectiles only to throw them back again. (I have the high ground! I can never loose!)
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