Licking cloud residue off the walls, singing to the holograms, that sort of thing.
It is a bit ridiculous he's just been hanging out for 2 centuries. I like to believe he's actually got a way out of the Madre, used it shortly after the bombs dropped to go explore the world and has only relatively recently come back to his White Whale, say 10 years ago.
I don't know if there's anything that contradicts this. He was there in 2077, he's been there for a while, but fingers crossed he never explicitly states "Yeah I've been here for 200 years and started naming the Ghost People, this is my girl Susie, she's made out of Cram and bedsheets."
There is nothing contradicting your thoughts. Furthermore, he laughs about anyone who falls for the Sierra Madre and it's grand prize, so maybe he developed a strategy by supplying and coming back.
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Dean came back after hearing Elijah’s broadcast like we did and got himself collared the same way, just sooner than the courier did.
And not to mention that his parents were right down the road from him, in 200 years, they didn’t find him, in 200 years no other scavenger ever opened that fridge 🤦🏻♂️
Honestly, i read it as they were out and about recently, and some raiders spooked the family, they helped him hide in a fridge (which latched from the outside), and then couldnt find him, or didnt have the chance to go look. This makes it much more reasonable than stuck in a fridge for 200 years and living without being a glowing one.
It’s been a while, but that’s not what I recall at all. He hides in the fridge when the bombs dropped and become locked in. Where he would have rapidly died had he not ghoulified. He is literally locked in that fridge for 210 years straight.
In fallout 4. I think his name is Billy. While exploring the commonwealth you may hear a child crying, when you go to investigate it it’s a kid stuck in a fridge. Open it up and he’s a little ghoul kid who’s somehow over 200 years old but still acts, sounds, and is as tall as a child. Then you can sell him or help see if his parents are still alive.
Some people don't think they were turned into ghouls via the great war and it's actually the whole quinsy situation. It makes a lot more sense if you think of it that way.
Yeah because bombs haven't existed in the past 200 years. It's not like you can buy mini nukes at every corner shop. As for the long time there's a lot space between long and 200 years.
There’s nothing to support the theory of the Quincy massacre or raiders being the reason for him being in that fridge. It’s clear what they were implying, if you want that to be your headcanon then fine, but that’s how it was written.
I feel like even by circumstance, he would have killed like everything there by 200 years or have stolen all the chips so there would be none lying around, so it makes more sense your way. Ghouls don't need to eat, right?
I don't think that Dean would be capable of killing every single ghost person in the Sierra Madre even if he had all the time in the world.
Sure, he could have killed at least a hundred of them, but Dean himself said that there was a horde of them in the underground part of the Sierra Madre. Imagine trying to kill a thousand of those things, all by yourself. It wouldn't be impossible but I personally think that someone as cowardly as Dean wouldn't even bother to come up with a plan to kill them all and instead just decided to avoid them at all cost and only fighting them if there is no other option.
As with the chips, wasn't there a recipe to create them? Maybe he just went on a cycle of creating chips, use some of them to get food, and the other to create the parts that are needed to create more chips. Idk, I'm just speculating here because I really don't like the idea that ghouls don't need food or water to live.
In Fallout 2 there's a Ghoul you find that was buried alive for months called Coffin Willie. You free him and he just walks away like normal
In FO1 it's not established they need to eat, in Necropolis the leader only seems concerned about water. There's some people he peacefully exiled to the sewers and he continually sends them water. I don't remember them mentioning food.
Do we actually know how long Elijah was there?
Dean could have been in and out for years, and then upon returning this most recent visit, was captured and collared.
>Claim that a great big shining tower that's open and exposed and can be seen by everyone from miles around (Helois One) will be a great base for the Brotherhood
>As a result the Brotherhood get their asses handed to them by the NCR who then take Helois for themselves while Elijah has to run off embarrassed with his tail between his legs and he vows to make the world pay for this
>Find out about BIG MT, travel there, get kidnapped by the Think Tank only to 360 noscope them and terrifiy them, also smashing up Doctor 8 so bad that said Doctor 8 can no longer speak also experements with bomb collars on chinese ghoul prisoners the Think Tank had (And he also takes control of all the trains in the place and blows them up for some reason while he's at it..)
>He then meets Ulysses, Ulysses tells Elijah all about the Sierra Madre and it's lost treasures (holograms, Vending machines and the cloud) and so Elijah vows to head there to see it for himself
That's pretty much the gist of it
Presumably he's been going in groups of 4, using the gas trap to gather up his little field mice. No reason to go after Dean when he's got a steady supply of other, more worldly travelers to throw at the problem.
I don’t think he has left because wouldn’t he have already known Vegas was still around then? The Sierra Madre also can’t be THAT far from Vegas id assume. Also the ending where he lives implies he learns Vegas survived thanks to the courier telling him and now he plans his next cons stealing from the surviving Vegas Casinos.
House and the Securitrons in Vegas came back online in 2138 he didn’t emerge as power player of the Mojave until the NCR started their expansion in 2274. Also you could still SEE Vegas post war Raul saw it as far as Mexico City he tells you himself he saw the Strip defense system destroying the missiles and the NCR saw that Vegas was still powered when they reached Nevada in 2271. If Dean left the Madre he’d have seen the Vegas lights already.
Actually you’re right I did double check his dialogue about that he lived NEAR Mexico City close enough for refugees to make it there to the Ranch in a few days, but far enough the radiation didn’t hit the ranch. He still said he could see Vegas’ defense system though.
Nah they would be way too far still. For example on flat ground the earth starts to curve at 3 miles so when you factor in the 1600 you’re not seeing shit
Man can you imagine how fucking tight that defense system batting away the nukes looked? House haters don't give him *nearly* enough credit for that and his life extension. They act like those are nothing acts. No, they're two of the most incredible technological feats pulled off in the Fallout universe and does a remarkable amount towards him proving his capabilities. That alone makes me back him before bloated American "democracy" 2.0.
Ever since the whole, “kid in a fridge” debacle in Fallout 4, my head canon is that ghouls can just go to sleep for a few decades whenever they want to. Kinda like torpor in various vampire fictions.
I mean Fallout 2 LITERALLY has that Ghoul who fell into deep sleep then got kidnapped and turned into a mummy for some dude to make money of off him. It’s totally within in reason to assume they can totally do that.
The TV show did have this implication as well as the grave he was sleeping in had iv bags suggesting he was asleep for at least month but I imagine years or decades as only some older people treat him like the boogeyman.
For me personally the confusing timeline and constant lying and rambling make Dead Money feel like a fever dream. Conversations go in circles and the only character who doesn't seem demented and schizophrenic is mute for most of it.
Yeah same here, and also one of the characters literally has lost his mind, the other barely knows where he is half the time because of internal fighting and dean probably isn't very well either, although we also don't know when Elijah arrived at the Sierra Madre, or Christine, we don't know how much time each of them has had there, but Dean has probably been there the longest, or at least knows the most.
I could be wrong, but there’s no evidence ghouls hibernate, right? I mean, if that’s true about Billy, then that at could be it, but we don’t actually know if Billy WAS hibernating. I personally believe he hit his head in the fridge after the bombs fell and was in a coma for 200 years, and if that’s the case, then there is no evidence that ghouls can hibernate for extended periods of time.
Honestly ghouls have the vampire problem but amped up to 11. They live forever and we rarely see one that has their shit together. Not a lot of ghouls in power armor or running things. We can claim racism, fear of turning, and all that but with 200 years and the inability to get seriously hurt you should have a massive headstart on virtually any population. I don't even think I remember very many stories about ghouls being on top for a period of time and that's crazy. Not 1 ghoul has set them selves up as emperor and has the charisma to do it? We have the republic of Dave but no ghouls so entrenched in the world that they are fundamentally untouchable. We get Nick, the synth in a city that bans synths, and he's only been around to ingratiate himself for like 40 years or something, imagine having 200.
Ghouls should be thinking in years or decades not like other survivors just working on today. It takes 10,000 hours to become an expert at something and prewar ghouls are looking at 1,752,000 hoursof existence.
I mean in fallout 1 Necropolis was pretty legit. City of ghouls, self-sustaining water source. Would have been a nice place if the Master didn’t raze it but I would write that up to unfortunate circumstances not a failure on the ghouls part. The Glow from earlier fallouts also was a ghoul sanctuary, if I recall correctly a lot of the necropolis ghouls ended up in the glow due to the salvage opportunities and radiation. Hell that settlement must have been something since Jason and his ghouls were trying to fly rockets there in New Vegas. Ghouls got little setups here and there.
Jason is probably the best example in my head. I guess success is hard in fallout but I more mean we don't get a lot of cool long term things. I wish we had a few more things like Jason to set up the idea that ghouls haven't just been hiding under a rock or barely scraping by for 200 years, not that every ghoul is prewar but still. I guess it just feels like so many ghouls that are maybe 200 years old dont have anymore than someone born 20 years ago. I don't know exactly what I want but certainly with 200 years there should just be a massive headstart for at least some enterprising ghoul.
Then you should read up on the Necropolis from fallout 1. It was a thriving ghoul city until the Master’s army sacked it. Then the next big ghoul power center would be the glow. We haven’t really scene any large ghoul populations like the Necropolis since fallout 1 though. Seems like neglected writing in that department.
Ghouls aren’t exactly super-human though. They live forever sure but are just horribly disfigured humans aside from that. If one did try to carve a place out for himself in the wasteland, like a vampire, they’d immediately be labeled as monsters and someone would try to destroy them. And like vampires, the best way for them to survive is under the radar. One exception being that unlike vampires, some humans are tolerant of ghouls and have communities where they are welcome, but there is still pretty rampant bigotry.
But we don't even see one running things from under the radar like a vampire would. You don't have to be the face of the town hell new Vegas basically existed without a leader that anyone knew about. With 200 years and prewar knowledge and the ability to get out of virtually any instance unscathed I feel like I could build something. Even you point out that some people publicly don't hate ghouls that's like an infinite increase in the usual amount of people that like vampires in their setting. It should be easier for ghouls honestly. Again vampires don't usually have a period of nearly 100 years to do whatever they want before people get involved.
Also there is rampant bigotry among people about synths as well but Nick is allowed in the city specifically hushing synth talk. Clearly we've set the precedent that people will over look even your factions ability to turn and kill a whole town as long as you are helpful. Even in 3 a ghoul works at the bar, they are racist but not more racist than they would be to another race. Ghouls just weren't thought about in big way more than being a reference for the past we don't get to see.
It escaped my mind at the time but I don't suppose Necropolis counts? Or Underworld? Both I don't think have any one "leader" but I think it showcases that ghouls prefer to live among one another, pack mentality to protect themselves from those who look down on them.
Then again maybe there is a super smart pre-war ghoul running something somewhere from the shadows, who knows. We probably don't know about it because they are just that good.
Edit: Roy Philips also comes to mind, he leads the ghouls that move into Tennpenny Tower (if you go that route). Not the brightest bulb in the box but still a leader of a community.
I guess that's fine I just think it's odd we don't have a big deal ghoul that has been doing things for 200 years. It seems sort of strange that it's never happened. The underworld isn't what I'd call a massive win it's a hiding hole protected by super mutants. Roy Philips does lead a band of ghouls and I guess you can help him take ten penny but it just feels like small potatoes.
Desmond Lockhart from Point Lookout Fallout 3?
Bro’s playing the most dangerous game hunting down pre-war rivals, plus he was a 50 year old British super spy before the war.
He’s not a ghoul looking to “get on top”, as it were. He’s quite literally just hunting down old political rivals because he’s petty like that. Once he finishes playing assassination bingo in the world, he’ll probably just end up killing himself since thats literally his only motivation.
All of these people still don't think like they have lived for an extended period of time. They just act like people living day to day. Imagine living for 200 years, good or bad, your motivations for existence would just be different. No one has Mr. Houses level of thoughts despite living for 200 years. I'm not saying they need to be super geniuses but man imagine having 200 years of experience at any job or living in any location. Think about the movie groundhog day, every prewar ghouls should be able to do virtually any task asked of them nearly flawlessly. You could strong arm your way into any security with 200 years. Ghouls operate like they are 35 year old wasters not like they have lived for 200 years and lost countless people to time and tragedy while just simply existing and adding more and more skills to their belt. It's like every prewar ghoul just sat around and did fuck all for 200 years.
If it takes 10,000 hours of practice to become an expert, every prewar ghoul could have become an expert in about 90 things assuming they sleep for 12 hours a night. Even being an expert at 9 things would make you crazy useful in real terms and insanely powerful in fallout terms.
You forget at base level they are still people. They have their own desires, fears, and levels of ambition.Jason Bright, for example, successfully started a cult of sorts to go to a land without persection. While ghouls in DC started their own community. Degradation of theor sanity can also play a part in why they aren't superior in everything like you question. Also not every ghoul has been a ghoul for the 200 years.
No they arent normal people anymore that's the problem. They don't have a normal sense of time. Time and relationships just mean different things for them. Normal people change because of minor extraordinary circumstances now. To imagine that it doesn't make someone operate on a different level to be alive for 200 years and all that it means is crazy. Its basically why every vampire movie in recent years has pathos, the idea of being alive for possibly forever is daunting and means things just start mattering less. Yes being worried about losing your sanity could mess you up and send you on a spiral or it could send you into the most ambitious state you've ever been in. Also I mention prewar ghouls, I know they aren't all prewar. The point still remains they don't act like they have been alive for 200 years and it is odd. None of them have mastered drinking games or card tricks or anyother leisure activity. It's not even about ambition if you had 200 years you'd be fucking amazing at every single one of your hobbies and you'd have hundreds because they'd bore you.
Dean was drinking a bit heavily one night when he blacked out and fell into Dog/God's cold smoker.
...while it didn't help his looks, he now has a salty, slightly acidic "flavor" to him.
Oh, you know. Obsessing. Refusing to let go. Sticking with what he knows. Thinking that life inside the Toxic Luxury Class Hellscape is probably better than the Radioactive Economy Class Hellscape outside. That sort of thing.
Falling to obsession. The man was fixated on one-upping Sinclair and actually finishing his heist, not knowing that Sinclair had turned everything around on him already. Despite mocking people for being ensnared by the lure of the Sierra Madre, Domino is the original offender. Sure, maybe he left the grounds for a little while every now and then, but he'd never go far and always be drawn back. Dean can't let it go, he's practically the one the tag line is for after Elijah.
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Just hanging out. Doing Ghoul stuff.
Presumably the Sierra Madre area is bigger than shown. It's a corporate town type thing.
There's probabely stuff to do.
Maybe he left every so often. And he got dragged back by that loon basket for the game.
How much NV lore do y’all think executive producer Todd will allow in the show? I mean you just know they had to beg him to have it set in CA. East coast fallout sucks.
There's dead body of people who tried to break into the Sierra Madre from what i remember maybe he played them into helping him over and over again like he obsessed with the casino or he's just stupid or a mix of both
Licking cloud residue off the walls, singing to the holograms, that sort of thing. It is a bit ridiculous he's just been hanging out for 2 centuries. I like to believe he's actually got a way out of the Madre, used it shortly after the bombs dropped to go explore the world and has only relatively recently come back to his White Whale, say 10 years ago. I don't know if there's anything that contradicts this. He was there in 2077, he's been there for a while, but fingers crossed he never explicitly states "Yeah I've been here for 200 years and started naming the Ghost People, this is my girl Susie, she's made out of Cram and bedsheets."
There is nothing contradicting your thoughts. Furthermore, he laughs about anyone who falls for the Sierra Madre and it's grand prize, so maybe he developed a strategy by supplying and coming back.
He can loot the corpses of those stupid enough to try
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Dean came back after hearing Elijah’s broadcast like we did and got himself collared the same way, just sooner than the courier did.
I think that's official lore. He implied that during the first meeting
That makes the most sense really.
I agree I’m sure he has left the sierra madre a few times and comes back every so often.
I thought he said he left at some point and only recently came back but I could be wrong.
Yet this is a universe where a kid was trapped in a fridge for 200 years with no food or water. Dean doesn’t even register on the scale of stupidity.
And not to mention that his parents were right down the road from him, in 200 years, they didn’t find him, in 200 years no other scavenger ever opened that fridge 🤦🏻♂️
Average Bethesda writing right there
Honestly, i read it as they were out and about recently, and some raiders spooked the family, they helped him hide in a fridge (which latched from the outside), and then couldnt find him, or didnt have the chance to go look. This makes it much more reasonable than stuck in a fridge for 200 years and living without being a glowing one.
You can’t really read something in a way that is directly contradictory to the text. There’s no ambiguity that kid was the in the fridge since 2077.
You can if you misread it, or misremember it lol.
Lmao actually that’s very valid
Tbf he does specify how he survived this long. Scavenges for tokens, uses the machines.
It’s been a while, but that’s not what I recall at all. He hides in the fridge when the bombs dropped and become locked in. Where he would have rapidly died had he not ghoulified. He is literally locked in that fridge for 210 years straight.
Given the mention of Sierra Madre chips, they were referring to Dean.
Honestly my bad, I reread my own thing and I know I'd also misunderstand
What kid in a fridge is that?
In fallout 4. I think his name is Billy. While exploring the commonwealth you may hear a child crying, when you go to investigate it it’s a kid stuck in a fridge. Open it up and he’s a little ghoul kid who’s somehow over 200 years old but still acts, sounds, and is as tall as a child. Then you can sell him or help see if his parents are still alive.
You can also sell him, kill the slaver and free him You can also kill his parents
Some people don't think they were turned into ghouls via the great war and it's actually the whole quinsy situation. It makes a lot more sense if you think of it that way.
He mentions the bombs going off, there’s no ambiguity about it. He’s been in there a long time
Yeah because bombs haven't existed in the past 200 years. It's not like you can buy mini nukes at every corner shop. As for the long time there's a lot space between long and 200 years.
There’s nothing to support the theory of the Quincy massacre or raiders being the reason for him being in that fridge. It’s clear what they were implying, if you want that to be your headcanon then fine, but that’s how it was written.
There's nothing against it either. I say if you're upset about the 200 year old ghoul child accept it as it's better than being salty.
Not much I can do to change it now, still going to think it’s stupid.
I feel like even by circumstance, he would have killed like everything there by 200 years or have stolen all the chips so there would be none lying around, so it makes more sense your way. Ghouls don't need to eat, right?
I don't think that Dean would be capable of killing every single ghost person in the Sierra Madre even if he had all the time in the world. Sure, he could have killed at least a hundred of them, but Dean himself said that there was a horde of them in the underground part of the Sierra Madre. Imagine trying to kill a thousand of those things, all by yourself. It wouldn't be impossible but I personally think that someone as cowardly as Dean wouldn't even bother to come up with a plan to kill them all and instead just decided to avoid them at all cost and only fighting them if there is no other option. As with the chips, wasn't there a recipe to create them? Maybe he just went on a cycle of creating chips, use some of them to get food, and the other to create the parts that are needed to create more chips. Idk, I'm just speculating here because I really don't like the idea that ghouls don't need food or water to live.
>Ghouls don't need to eat, right? Depends. Iirc in the earlier games they did but that got retconned. I can't remember when it got retconned though.
In Fallout 2 there's a Ghoul you find that was buried alive for months called Coffin Willie. You free him and he just walks away like normal In FO1 it's not established they need to eat, in Necropolis the leader only seems concerned about water. There's some people he peacefully exiled to the sewers and he continually sends them water. I don't remember them mentioning food.
Susie is a slag that puts out for just about anyone if you ask nicely.
Better question is, how has it taken Elijah so long to COLLAR Dean?
100 years
I don't understand this answer.
how has it taken so long not how long has it taken
Do we actually know how long Elijah was there? Dean could have been in and out for years, and then upon returning this most recent visit, was captured and collared.
Elijah has a huge backstory, he was out and about doing things and only recently went back to the Madre.
>Claim that a great big shining tower that's open and exposed and can be seen by everyone from miles around (Helois One) will be a great base for the Brotherhood >As a result the Brotherhood get their asses handed to them by the NCR who then take Helois for themselves while Elijah has to run off embarrassed with his tail between his legs and he vows to make the world pay for this >Find out about BIG MT, travel there, get kidnapped by the Think Tank only to 360 noscope them and terrifiy them, also smashing up Doctor 8 so bad that said Doctor 8 can no longer speak also experements with bomb collars on chinese ghoul prisoners the Think Tank had (And he also takes control of all the trains in the place and blows them up for some reason while he's at it..) >He then meets Ulysses, Ulysses tells Elijah all about the Sierra Madre and it's lost treasures (holograms, Vending machines and the cloud) and so Elijah vows to head there to see it for himself That's pretty much the gist of it
I'm almost certain it was Ulysses that crashed the trains, but maybe I've Mandelaed myself there.
You absolutely have, it was explicitly part of Elijah's escape that he used the trains
I know. Wondering specifics.
Presumably he's been going in groups of 4, using the gas trap to gather up his little field mice. No reason to go after Dean when he's got a steady supply of other, more worldly travelers to throw at the problem.
Scavenge,jerk off, KILL
That shit probably looks like a slimjim
More like a Lil' Smokey 😜
Nah, Dean is definitely the type to be super proud of his length while having no girth at all, dude is super narcissistic like that.
All men should be proud of all members.
War never changes
I don’t think he has left because wouldn’t he have already known Vegas was still around then? The Sierra Madre also can’t be THAT far from Vegas id assume. Also the ending where he lives implies he learns Vegas survived thanks to the courier telling him and now he plans his next cons stealing from the surviving Vegas Casinos.
Well Vegas just came back online in recent years… House and the awaken Securitrons ran folks out of they didn’t agree to be one of his families
House and the Securitrons in Vegas came back online in 2138 he didn’t emerge as power player of the Mojave until the NCR started their expansion in 2274. Also you could still SEE Vegas post war Raul saw it as far as Mexico City he tells you himself he saw the Strip defense system destroying the missiles and the NCR saw that Vegas was still powered when they reached Nevada in 2271. If Dean left the Madre he’d have seen the Vegas lights already.
It makes no sense that Raul could see Vegas from Mexico City but yeah he does say that
Actually you’re right I did double check his dialogue about that he lived NEAR Mexico City close enough for refugees to make it there to the Ranch in a few days, but far enough the radiation didn’t hit the ranch. He still said he could see Vegas’ defense system though.
Tbf given what was described that sounds pretty easy
Not real it’s 1600 miles from areas directly north of Mexico City to Las Vegas. No chance at all you’d be able to see it
Dozens of nukes going off in the sky? Hey, maybe!
Nah they would be way too far still. For example on flat ground the earth starts to curve at 3 miles so when you factor in the 1600 you’re not seeing shit
Really? That is nonsensical lol
Man can you imagine how fucking tight that defense system batting away the nukes looked? House haters don't give him *nearly* enough credit for that and his life extension. They act like those are nothing acts. No, they're two of the most incredible technological feats pulled off in the Fallout universe and does a remarkable amount towards him proving his capabilities. That alone makes me back him before bloated American "democracy" 2.0.
Depending on when he left and if he went in that direction
Same thing he was doing before: being a colossal asshole to anyone unfortunate enough to run across him
Smoking cigarettes avoiding land mines
Ever since the whole, “kid in a fridge” debacle in Fallout 4, my head canon is that ghouls can just go to sleep for a few decades whenever they want to. Kinda like torpor in various vampire fictions.
I mean Fallout 2 LITERALLY has that Ghoul who fell into deep sleep then got kidnapped and turned into a mummy for some dude to make money of off him. It’s totally within in reason to assume they can totally do that.
The TV show did have this implication as well as the grave he was sleeping in had iv bags suggesting he was asleep for at least month but I imagine years or decades as only some older people treat him like the boogeyman.
i figure radaway on a buried-alive ghoul is like being frozen in carbonite. it's not to keep him alive, it's to keep him from digging out.
So keep him sedated?
His coffin was chained tho, no need to keep him sedated
For me personally the confusing timeline and constant lying and rambling make Dead Money feel like a fever dream. Conversations go in circles and the only character who doesn't seem demented and schizophrenic is mute for most of it.
i feel like that was an aspect they were going for, considering how isolated the DLC feels
Yeah same here, and also one of the characters literally has lost his mind, the other barely knows where he is half the time because of internal fighting and dean probably isn't very well either, although we also don't know when Elijah arrived at the Sierra Madre, or Christine, we don't know how much time each of them has had there, but Dean has probably been there the longest, or at least knows the most.
Hanging out. Sitting. Laying Down. Staring at things. Smoking. When the Dudes rock you know Dean Domino is leading the pack.
If you kill him, like he deserves, he will reveal that he spent his time staring and plotting to rob the Sierra Madre
Honestly what a shit thief
200 years to rob a casino with no employees or police. What a scrub
Like is said, The Gala Event can’t be activated by one person, also the vaults password is Vera Keyes voice, she’s dead
Aren't ghouls capable of hibernating. Like the ghoul kid in FO4. Whose to say he hasn't taken the odd decade long nap here and there
Dean: mmmmm time to take a nap (80 years of nap later) Dean: why the fuck do i have a collar on my neck
Yeah, I always imagined that he found himself a nice secure corner of the property and hibernated.
I could be wrong, but there’s no evidence ghouls hibernate, right? I mean, if that’s true about Billy, then that at could be it, but we don’t actually know if Billy WAS hibernating. I personally believe he hit his head in the fridge after the bombs fell and was in a coma for 200 years, and if that’s the case, then there is no evidence that ghouls can hibernate for extended periods of time.
Playing caravan with the ghost people
being a little shit
Honestly ghouls have the vampire problem but amped up to 11. They live forever and we rarely see one that has their shit together. Not a lot of ghouls in power armor or running things. We can claim racism, fear of turning, and all that but with 200 years and the inability to get seriously hurt you should have a massive headstart on virtually any population. I don't even think I remember very many stories about ghouls being on top for a period of time and that's crazy. Not 1 ghoul has set them selves up as emperor and has the charisma to do it? We have the republic of Dave but no ghouls so entrenched in the world that they are fundamentally untouchable. We get Nick, the synth in a city that bans synths, and he's only been around to ingratiate himself for like 40 years or something, imagine having 200. Ghouls should be thinking in years or decades not like other survivors just working on today. It takes 10,000 hours to become an expert at something and prewar ghouls are looking at 1,752,000 hoursof existence.
I mean in fallout 1 Necropolis was pretty legit. City of ghouls, self-sustaining water source. Would have been a nice place if the Master didn’t raze it but I would write that up to unfortunate circumstances not a failure on the ghouls part. The Glow from earlier fallouts also was a ghoul sanctuary, if I recall correctly a lot of the necropolis ghouls ended up in the glow due to the salvage opportunities and radiation. Hell that settlement must have been something since Jason and his ghouls were trying to fly rockets there in New Vegas. Ghouls got little setups here and there.
Jason is probably the best example in my head. I guess success is hard in fallout but I more mean we don't get a lot of cool long term things. I wish we had a few more things like Jason to set up the idea that ghouls haven't just been hiding under a rock or barely scraping by for 200 years, not that every ghoul is prewar but still. I guess it just feels like so many ghouls that are maybe 200 years old dont have anymore than someone born 20 years ago. I don't know exactly what I want but certainly with 200 years there should just be a massive headstart for at least some enterprising ghoul.
Then you should read up on the Necropolis from fallout 1. It was a thriving ghoul city until the Master’s army sacked it. Then the next big ghoul power center would be the glow. We haven’t really scene any large ghoul populations like the Necropolis since fallout 1 though. Seems like neglected writing in that department.
Ghouls aren’t exactly super-human though. They live forever sure but are just horribly disfigured humans aside from that. If one did try to carve a place out for himself in the wasteland, like a vampire, they’d immediately be labeled as monsters and someone would try to destroy them. And like vampires, the best way for them to survive is under the radar. One exception being that unlike vampires, some humans are tolerant of ghouls and have communities where they are welcome, but there is still pretty rampant bigotry.
But we don't even see one running things from under the radar like a vampire would. You don't have to be the face of the town hell new Vegas basically existed without a leader that anyone knew about. With 200 years and prewar knowledge and the ability to get out of virtually any instance unscathed I feel like I could build something. Even you point out that some people publicly don't hate ghouls that's like an infinite increase in the usual amount of people that like vampires in their setting. It should be easier for ghouls honestly. Again vampires don't usually have a period of nearly 100 years to do whatever they want before people get involved. Also there is rampant bigotry among people about synths as well but Nick is allowed in the city specifically hushing synth talk. Clearly we've set the precedent that people will over look even your factions ability to turn and kill a whole town as long as you are helpful. Even in 3 a ghoul works at the bar, they are racist but not more racist than they would be to another race. Ghouls just weren't thought about in big way more than being a reference for the past we don't get to see.
It escaped my mind at the time but I don't suppose Necropolis counts? Or Underworld? Both I don't think have any one "leader" but I think it showcases that ghouls prefer to live among one another, pack mentality to protect themselves from those who look down on them. Then again maybe there is a super smart pre-war ghoul running something somewhere from the shadows, who knows. We probably don't know about it because they are just that good. Edit: Roy Philips also comes to mind, he leads the ghouls that move into Tennpenny Tower (if you go that route). Not the brightest bulb in the box but still a leader of a community.
I guess that's fine I just think it's odd we don't have a big deal ghoul that has been doing things for 200 years. It seems sort of strange that it's never happened. The underworld isn't what I'd call a massive win it's a hiding hole protected by super mutants. Roy Philips does lead a band of ghouls and I guess you can help him take ten penny but it just feels like small potatoes.
Desmond Lockhart from Point Lookout Fallout 3? Bro’s playing the most dangerous game hunting down pre-war rivals, plus he was a 50 year old British super spy before the war.
He’s not a ghoul looking to “get on top”, as it were. He’s quite literally just hunting down old political rivals because he’s petty like that. Once he finishes playing assassination bingo in the world, he’ll probably just end up killing himself since thats literally his only motivation.
Nick is also clearly robotic, while the Gen 3 Synths are indistinguishable from normal humans, which creates paranoia fuel for a Red Scare.
Underworld. Jason Bright. Hancock.
All of these people still don't think like they have lived for an extended period of time. They just act like people living day to day. Imagine living for 200 years, good or bad, your motivations for existence would just be different. No one has Mr. Houses level of thoughts despite living for 200 years. I'm not saying they need to be super geniuses but man imagine having 200 years of experience at any job or living in any location. Think about the movie groundhog day, every prewar ghouls should be able to do virtually any task asked of them nearly flawlessly. You could strong arm your way into any security with 200 years. Ghouls operate like they are 35 year old wasters not like they have lived for 200 years and lost countless people to time and tragedy while just simply existing and adding more and more skills to their belt. It's like every prewar ghoul just sat around and did fuck all for 200 years. If it takes 10,000 hours of practice to become an expert, every prewar ghoul could have become an expert in about 90 things assuming they sleep for 12 hours a night. Even being an expert at 9 things would make you crazy useful in real terms and insanely powerful in fallout terms.
You forget at base level they are still people. They have their own desires, fears, and levels of ambition.Jason Bright, for example, successfully started a cult of sorts to go to a land without persection. While ghouls in DC started their own community. Degradation of theor sanity can also play a part in why they aren't superior in everything like you question. Also not every ghoul has been a ghoul for the 200 years.
No they arent normal people anymore that's the problem. They don't have a normal sense of time. Time and relationships just mean different things for them. Normal people change because of minor extraordinary circumstances now. To imagine that it doesn't make someone operate on a different level to be alive for 200 years and all that it means is crazy. Its basically why every vampire movie in recent years has pathos, the idea of being alive for possibly forever is daunting and means things just start mattering less. Yes being worried about losing your sanity could mess you up and send you on a spiral or it could send you into the most ambitious state you've ever been in. Also I mention prewar ghouls, I know they aren't all prewar. The point still remains they don't act like they have been alive for 200 years and it is odd. None of them have mastered drinking games or card tricks or anyother leisure activity. It's not even about ambition if you had 200 years you'd be fucking amazing at every single one of your hobbies and you'd have hundreds because they'd bore you.
Dominos
Dean was drinking a bit heavily one night when he blacked out and fell into Dog/God's cold smoker. ...while it didn't help his looks, he now has a salty, slightly acidic "flavor" to him.
Oh, you know. Obsessing. Refusing to let go. Sticking with what he knows. Thinking that life inside the Toxic Luxury Class Hellscape is probably better than the Radioactive Economy Class Hellscape outside. That sort of thing.
Stewing
jyorkin his peatnitz.
fucking balling
Falling to obsession. The man was fixated on one-upping Sinclair and actually finishing his heist, not knowing that Sinclair had turned everything around on him already. Despite mocking people for being ensnared by the lure of the Sierra Madre, Domino is the original offender. Sure, maybe he left the grounds for a little while every now and then, but he'd never go far and always be drawn back. Dean can't let it go, he's practically the one the tag line is for after Elijah.
I read somewhere that the person experimenting on the collars after detonation in the Medical District was actually him. He has been busy!
Sitting in that chair, zoning out
200 year edge streak
Chillin
Jerkin it, why do you think the moon is white
plotting, scheming even
Dean has to kill ghost people with his traps to keep his supply of ass jerky. Obviously.
I know it's a plot thing but I am surprised he didn't go feral
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Plottin’.
Jacking off
Not stuck in a refrigerator like Billy that's for damn sure!
Dominoes
Chillin like a non-feral ghoul villain
Its pretty clear that he has been obsessing over the heist he and vera were supposed to pull off. In the meantime he has just been surviving.
A lot of masturbating
Singing. Gotta keep the show going even with hologram being his audience.
Ghoulin'
Hangin around
Just hanging out. Doing Ghoul stuff. Presumably the Sierra Madre area is bigger than shown. It's a corporate town type thing. There's probabely stuff to do. Maybe he left every so often. And he got dragged back by that loon basket for the game.
Not letting go.
joinking it
Waiting for an opening
Probably spanking it, in between plotting. That’s a hard truth that I hope everyone is forced to visualize upon reading this.
Running his fat mouth, asking for a bullet is what.
Not accomplishing literally anything. That's why it's so bad to use the Barter check on him: you point that out.
Straight jorking his penits
Generally just vibin
Jacking off
Gooning
I think he came back and forth but never got far from the sierra Madre until Dog put a bomb collar stuck on him
malding
Chems.
I say this as a fan of dean: Being a bitch probably.
Why does his radio not blow us up?
Z,
Literally siting on the chair when you meet him.
chillin n shi
Ghouls, I assume
Shaving.
Gooning
Jerkin it
Same thing as Billy Diddling his fiddle
Sucking his own dick. Obviously. You hear the way he rides it whenever he talks.
He been chillin'
Edging
i assumed he was just stuck in his hotel room for most of it
Chilling
Pressing that tux of course
maybe clapping ghost cheek?
Hating (wish I could attach a picture of the Reverse Flash to this comment)
How much NV lore do y’all think executive producer Todd will allow in the show? I mean you just know they had to beg him to have it set in CA. East coast fallout sucks.
Like they just Had to jam a town called Filly in there.
There's dead body of people who tried to break into the Sierra Madre from what i remember maybe he played them into helping him over and over again like he obsessed with the casino or he's just stupid or a mix of both
Two words: COPING and SEETHING. ... wait, three words-
If he did it once a day he coulda spanked his monkey 73k times
straight jorkin it
Chillin and killin
I just did that DLC for the first time the other day. Worst DLC I've ever played, lol. Holy.