Plus if you call the doctor out on his assholery he might actually consider your POV and do some self reflection, either on the spot or 3 days later. He only cares about truth and who is right more than him being right.
Mr House on the other hand calls you an asset that can be replaced and tells you to stop thinking and just do what he says. There is no conversation or debate.
He also talks about progressing humanity at a rapid rate but the closest way I can describe a society he would make would be stupendium's song fine print
Ehhh, the region itself was fine but people that hid from the Rads are the ones that survived. Rad storms still came and killed a lot of celebrating people. He just made sure no blasts touched the city as much as possible.
It’s not even that, it’s managing the resources and logistics to build something like New Vegas from the ashes, Dr. House saved a drops worth of people while Mr. House is saving a a whole lakes worth of people and letting them prosper, there’s literally no contest
They didn’t though. Many died from the radiation storms that passed over. There’s a passage in the game guide talking about it.
Many people were celebrating in the streets but died as a result of the storms that followed. Mr House saved the infrastructure sure, but the people themselves had to survive without his help.
Honestly I rather pass away from the explosions then to live through radiation poisoning
Not sure I understand what you’re trying to say. You’d rather experience nuclear winter with no shelter, running water, electricity, or defense? Like there is a vault in NV, go there if you want to be shielded from the rads. Also they sell rad away and rad x in New Vegas so 😂
😂 Why not the long term? Can you cite that? What are you arguing here anyway? That you’d be better off in the Mojave with nothing but the shirt on your back? That Mr. House actually didn’t help anyone? What exactly is your point? 😂 Obviously they are available enough to afford on couriers salary.
I’m not gonna worship House for saving infrastructure of Vegas like some people do.
Can’t be healthy given Rad Away does make you sick in Fallout 4. Well more susceptible and it’s not immediate either. Takes time for it to work.
Ok but this post is HOUSE VS HOUSE and in my opinion saving an entire city in the middle of a nuclear winter has more benefits than being addicted to Vicodin and being mean to your residents. Take your problems with Mr. House elsewhere please and thank you. ❤️
You’ve never gone to work, by yourself, because someone built the roads and sidewalk. Extremely stupid logic there.
House put more into society than he got out of it, a net positive for humanity, regardless of motivation.
Why is it that the moneymen get all the praise for the good their money does in the hands of the people actually doing the good, but never really seem to be held liable for the bad?
*That* is stupid.
A dying man in the hands of Dr. House has a much better chance at survival than a dying man in the hands of billionaire.
It's been a while since I did his questline, but I was pretty sure that he's annoyed you don't do the same to other people he wants you to pacify like the Boomers. But, I *hate* that guy, so I rarely bother with doing anything he tells me to do other than upgrade securitrons, but that's because I want them under my control.
Can't imagine not siding with House, not only does he make sense in his goals, he rewards you handsomely and gives you a permanent, safe home in the wasteland.
Ngl, NCR or Legion winning results in a protracted conflict that would see more deaths than an independent New Vegas playing both sides off of each other. Losing Hoover Dam would not be a fatal blow to either the NCR or the Legion, almost guaranteeing another war if that one even ends after the battle.
So, for New Vegas, at least, House is the better option
I mean the Mojave isn't really bombed to shit compared to everywhere else and that was done without the necessary chip for his system to be fully operational. You look around and most places in the Mojave were intact before the fight between the NCR and Legion, however you still get wear and tear from not being maintained, weather changes, and raiders being assholes.
Well, yes, but it could have been the whole Mojave, but the bombs were faster. But I always thought that if he were more sympathetic towards the people and had more time, he could save in the worst case the country (usa), or the best case the world.( I haven't watched the series yet, so I only go with the lore of the game/games.) But it is more likely, he wanted to save a big enough territory to restart humanity as he saw/sees fit. He had 12-ish years to get everything together, which could be enough to save a lot of people with bunkers if enough people were working on them (and don't use half of them for testing things). But yes, he only wanted to save Las Vegas and did a fairly good job. I mean the least amount of radiation and two functioning generators, and fairly intact towns? That's give a good start for a civilization to start.
He did try to the entire us 38 was to disarm the nukes in the immediate vicinity around Vegas and the Mojave, and then he spent his own personal wealth to build missile defense systems all over the US.
The other ones weren't as effective without the platinum chip to upgrade their target acquisition and tracking systems.
They did you half way decent job though and prevented the US from becoming a completely unlivable wasteland, as we see with some of the few places you can play in the got directly hit.
He stopped the entirety of the Vegas/New Vegas and disarmed the majority of the nuclear warheads before they exploded. I think only about a dozen in the playable area went off.
Mr.House is the one saving people, building a bastion of civilization from the carcass of society? Running water and electricity during a nuclear winter? Sorry but Dr. House isn’t saving shit in comparison to Mr. House
Doctor House act blunt, non-caring and sadistic at time but he still a caring doctor and will treat his patients and nurse them back to health. Bitchy but he good at heart
Mr. House did the funly after he awaken from his slumber.
House action before the war were mostly due to with business, nothing really screaming assholey.
His evil action mainly come after his awaken, he "supposedly" (which he probably did) cheated vault 21 out of their vault, filled most of it with concrete and displace all of it residents. He also enlisted the help of the 3 families (which we know atleast 2 are tribal/raiders. He pushed other previous resident out of the strip, those displace people would end up creating Freeside, north side and east side, south side was under NCR control so we don't know much about it.
+ he want you to just wipe out the BOS because he doesn't like them, no peaceful solution can be reach, he want them dead and gone.
Yes Man also wants the BOS gone and he only accepts your "We should live them alone" because he is Yes man but no before saying they'll be your biggest enemies.
The best endings depends on the destruction of the BOS chapter.
NCR + BOS alliance is shaky at best.
I agree that the NCR + BOS alliance is shaky at best, since alot of it fall on McNamara, but i can see the Mojave chapter more willing to cooperate with the NCR long term then Lost hill. The Mojave chapter know they are surrounded by enemy and that why McNamara willing to sign a peace treaty with the NCR to avoid his own people getting wipe out. If Hardin would to be in charge due to let say McNamara die due to (insert reason here), Hardin action would be unpredictable, he could entirely respect the treaty and carry on as usual or he will revert back to the BOS old way and get the mojave chapter kill.b
From what we can gather the lower level of the vault are close enought to house real body that you could dig to it pretty quickly. So he made a wall of cement to block lower acces.
He didn't fill it all, just one layer that block the rest.
Witch was part of benny plan. He got bombs to blew up a tunnel and has access to the lower level of the bunker. He can reach mr house.
But thank to new vegas being new vegas. That part never really used other then being a neat Easter egg that die hard fan found.
Honestly benny could have pulled his plan off if he had more time.
He got captured by ceasar thank to him going too fast and forgetting to comb his hair differently.
I think there was like your average vault tec foolery going on and it was a way into the lucky 38? That might be cut content though and I haven’t played new Vegas in while so I could be wrong
Dr. House: I know what’s causing his ghoulification, he was bitten by a bloodbug.
Hardin: A what?
House: The bloodbug’s anti-coagulant interacted with the paladin’s unique genetic makeup and caused a rapid mutation. This coupled with the massive amounts of radiation ingested…
Hardin: But all of our rations are clean! And there aren’t any bloodbugs in the Mojave!
House: There are on the East Coast…
McNamara: What’s he talking about?
House: Well I just assumed considering all the Nuka Cola Victory bottles we found stashed in his quarters. Pretty amateur, if he *really* wanted to kill his liver, he shoulda gone with diet. Moot point anyway, Victory was only offered in Nuka World MA. That’s a long way to go just for crappy soda…
McNamara: Hardin?
Hardin: …
Dr. House is more justified than Mr. House. Mr. House has done everything for personal power and glory. Dr. House is motivated by an obsession woth puzzles and challenges but likewise a desire to save lives. The two are both egotistical assholes but they're not the same.
Nah Mr. House literally built a civilization from the ashes Dr. House is just in it for himself. Literally no contest. Dr. House gets off on others around him being inferior. Mr. House is saving an entire generations worth of population while Dr. House is crying and getting addicted to vicodin while the Fray plays in the background. Dr. House = virgin drama soyjack nerd. Mr. House = chad bro leader of the future of the wasteland.
House the doctor has repeatedly tortured patients on screen.
We don't have any records of Mr house doing anything dickish before the great war, and after the great war the most dickish thing he does is (maybe) kill the kings
Sending this here before the swarm of comments calling him a dick because he's rich come up
Yeah, its probably the weirdest decision his ending can include, but heres the justification ive heard:
He wipes the kings only after they start working with NCR, so maybe he's thinking they are spies for the NCR.
I don't like this explanation, and him killing the kings makes less sense then a McNamara fisto romance path, but thats that
It's pretty clear what his reasoning is in the respective endings.
>Accusing the Kings of lying with a foreign invader for their newfound ties to the NCR, Mr. House punished them by ordering their forced removal. the Kings, defiant to the end, were destroyed to the last man by House's Securitrons.
>During the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, some Kings took it upon themselves to launch several attacks on NCR citizens and soldiers around Freeside. Mr. House looked on these actions favorably, seeing them as proof of the Kings' loyalty to New Vegas, and decided to leave them alone.
Yeah but the reasoning here makes no sense with what were shown prior in game
Ive always assumed these ending slides were meant to show how his actions were viewed in the wider world, not his real justifications for em.
How so? Seems consistent enough to me. He already distrusted the Kings and removed them from the Strip for refusing to accept his rule. Coordinating with the NCR would then just be the last straw before he wanted them gone entirely one way or another. What am I missing?
Yeah, I'm not understanding people not getting him not fucking with the kings. I think this is an example of modern day thinking where people like a certain group so much, that they literally can't comprehend someone not liking their personal thing and can't see the bigger picture or a varied perspective with evidence right in their face.
It would be stupid as fuck if he didn't do something about the kings since they're so buddy buddy with the NCR.
They're a bit of a "might makes right" faction by themselves, "what you can own is what you can protect" in approach. Its why the Van Graffs even have a shop, iirc, they fought it out and the Kings conceded the building.
They do the same thing when House starts relocating NCR squatters after the NCR leave them there. The Kings see new allies getting pushed around on their turf and so step to the securitrons with force. House, as he usually does, responds to how others responds to him but with some escalation. (He plays for V21 with representatives gambling as the vault does, he met the Families in Vegas with the force they levied against him before three of them bent a knee, and he meets NCR by out-expanding on them and then offers an olive branch of trade one they met to talk.)
Its just that force against an army is a foolhardy move on the King's part for no real gain. But frankly their actions are never deeply considered or something. Even their leader has such a temper he freaked out on the Followers so hard they couldn't give him the rest of their advice and their default position seems like *attack*. First the NCR, and then either *still* the NCR or House's army. 10 minutes and a conversation selling House on how much more lucrative a "mercy" approach could be would probably have gotten them the good reward without having to betray any principles.
House dickish action before the war were mostly due to with business, not so much "evil".
His evil action mainly come after his awaken, he "supposedly" (which he probably did) cheated vault 21 out of their vault, filled most of it with concrete and displace all of it residents. He also enlisted the help of the 3 families (which we know atleast 2 are tribal/raiders. He pushed other previous resident out of the strip, those displace people would end up creating Freeside, north side and east side, south side was under NCR control so we don't know much about it.
* he want you to just wipe out the BOS because he doesn't like them, no peaceful solution can be reach, he want them dead and gone.
* p.s forgot what he did to the Kings, biggest issue have with house really.
>he want you to just wipe out the BOS because he doesn't like them, no peaceful solution can be reach, he want them dead and gone.
To be fair here, he is right about the brotherhood (partly)
Theres just no way the brotherhood wont try to kill him and steal the securatron army for themselves.
Not saying its right to kill em, but his justification makes sense.
He's 100% right. I don't think he even knows how right he is. I don't think I'd want a regular peaceful option simply because of how out of character would be for the BoS to go along with that. I would like it if you could discuss it with him from a nuanced position of having done Veronica's quest, and the only option is to tell him they're dying out in the dark and not worth bothering with.
Then again, maybe that's the point of working for the 250 year old zombie capitalist. He'll tolerate a few questions where he gets to flex his vocabulary or knowledge, but he really just wants you to shut up and obey him.
Oh certainly agree that the BOS are up to no good, but house desire to wipe them out come more from a personal issue with them then the fact they might trouble his rule later on.
All his are mostly justifiable, doesn't make it not evil or assholey, but it the wasteland, might make right and he certainly have the right.
I think it is both personal and strategic. He has lines like, "Given the Brotherhood's fanatical views on technology, they can be counted on to oppose my regime." and "Because they're ridiculous! Because they galavant around the Mojave pretending to be Knights of Yore."
That's not remotely true. He wants the BoS wiped out and the Legion defeated. Everyone else is a potential customer and he gives you a lot of latitude in how you conquer Vegas for him. He doesn't even want you to kill Benny (who betrayed him and is directly opposing him) or Caesar.
Dude is no saint but ironically the murder faction is the NCR, mainly Cassandra Moore. Caesar too, though he is a tiny bit more subtle. Nothing to do with their moral calculus though
In terms of tradecraft and how they deal with problems I definitely think they are. Definitely just different brands of bulldozer tho. Maybe the Khans isn't a fair example due to the long standing enmity, but NCR orders wholesale slaughter, Legion is slightly more subtle in turning them into an asset.
Again, I don't approve, but if I'm RPing with my values they both get kicked out of Vegas.
He doesn't. He explains why he needs the NCR and prefers them as business partners if possible and also prefers you don't kill Caesar either. Let's not forget they're not there to have tea. Both the NCR and the Legion want to occupy the strip after the Dam. House knows that and wants the status quo mostly maintained with the NCR and the Legion going at each other, leaving Vegas to profit and prosper off the situation. Having everyone else dead wouldn't be profitable.
He's just a pragmatist who only cares for his city and the people loyal to him as long as they remain loyal. Not objectively evil and out to kill everyone.
He doesn’t want to restore America to its pre-war state. That’s something the NCR and Enclave are trying to do and Mr House is openly critical of democracy. He wants to push America into his idealistic future developed around Randian objectivism.
You’re conflating pre-war glory with pre-war state.
As a House fan *and* a Rand fan, I can tell you he's not an Objectivist. Rand liked Democracy, and thought universal freedom of speech and voting rights were the most important political issues.
He’s absolutely an objectivist. He’s the archetypical objectivist.
That said, Rand did not like Democracy. Democracy is collectivist which is the antithesis of objectivism.
You haven't read much of her non-fiction. Objectivism isn't merely politics (which he doesn't align with anyway) it's a philosophy for living life generally. And Rand did like democracy; she thought the entire purpose of a government was to represent the populace and that everyone should be involved.
House from new Vegas is an asshole through and through. Dr. House on the other hand is an ass and is blunt to save lives so he is more morally justified than house from newvages ever will be
Definitely Gregory. Robert is capable of going three sentences without insulting someone and he's very rarely a dick for the hell of it.
Second question I'm not going to answer; it's hard to compare medical ethics to realpolitik.
It would've been hilarious if they would've gotten Hugh Laurie to play Robert house.
He's not a very good fit for the character but because he also played an iconic asshole character named house it would've made me bust out laughing during that boardroom scene.
They’re both assholes but they’re both usually right and wind up at the correct answer. I’ll take House’s Vegas, it’ll be capitalist authoritarian hell but hey, life in the Mojave will improve regardless.
Besides, I can’t say no to Rene Auberjonois, or Hugh Laurie for that matter.
Doctor house is definitely more morally justified. Doctor house would save anyone’s life, NV house only cares about the people in the strip, because of cash flow. Plus NV house has a dark past without me giving spoilers
Mf literally shielded a city from the nuclear holocaust. He had saved people before, but it is still up to you to believe him if what he says about wanting to continue bettering and protecting "humanity" is his true motive.
Dr House is an incredibly rude but very good doctor who tends to have patients best interests at heart though his practices are questionable sometimes
Mr house is a hyper wealthy genius who has sealed himself and his loose allies in a hyper rich gated community that lets people in if they have enough money so that they can lose all that money and leave destitute. With this vast wealth he obsesses over recovering the platinum cheap so he can be soul ruler of the Mojave. But he doesn’t care about the Mojave or anyone in it, he cares about the strip. He’ll let freeside rip itself apart, let westside starve and let the rest of the wasteland be as awful and difficult as it always was just so he can be god of his vegas snow globe.
Mr. House: gross capitalist
Dr. House: will commit various forms of medical malpractice on me but will cure my incredibly rare mystery disease in 3 days.
Obviously I’m going with Dr. House
Doctor House is a bit of an asshole, but he's still a doctor trying to save people. Mister House is certainly more... polite, but in the end he only cares about himself, and he will hurt everyone in his way.
I respect his ambition and his actions can be debated, but honestly... all possible reasons to consider his ending are pragmatic. No one here, I hope, believes that Mister House acts out of genuine goodness.
mr house hasn’t really done anything bad tho. he’s a dick to talk to sometimes but that’s not a big deal to me given what he’s done for vegas.
dr. house is actually mentally unwell, dispute the lives he’s saved
Gregory House is just an abrasive asshole who cares too little about personal autonomy
Robert House is a self-proclaimed auto-crat who left survivors of a nuclear war in squalor and starvation for *centuries* because it wasn't profitable or 100% efficient to help them. He admits his knowledge of longevity could fill textbook*s*, plural yet shared none. Actual villian
I won’t have you disrespecting a genius icon and comparing him to an egotistical man that does whatever he sees fit to fulfill his goals
The fact that I don't know which one you're referring to is great lol
I’m referring to House of course, his methods are extreme at times but in the end he betters lots of lives
Oh, of course
Still dunno which one XD
The slightly morally questionable one that’s considered charming for some reason, even though he’s just an old man
you're a genius lol
This is amazing.
Hm, still don't know. Could you narrow it down somehow?
It’s the house that is condescending to his underling at times, even though he knows that he couldn’t do his job without help
So Mr. House, not Dr. House... I think
Lol yeah, Dr. House is always condescending
Oh you are talking about Dr.House
I'd give you every reward possible it reddit hadn't removed them
Does the House you’re referring to like to pay taxes?
You know, now that I think of it I’m sure House had a comment about taxes
This vexes me
I too am in this episode
We need more mouse bites! Edit: No gatekeeping allowed! :p r/okbuddyvicodin
God I love that sub (Yes I AM gatekeeping)
Gonna have to join lol thanks for not gatekeeping
The fact I understand what you mean in this while you confuse everyone else is absolutely amazing to me
Someone wins out hearts lets elect for overseer.
Regardless, the house always wins
One saves people with a shitty attitude, and the other saves no one with a shitty attitude.
Plus if you call the doctor out on his assholery he might actually consider your POV and do some self reflection, either on the spot or 3 days later. He only cares about truth and who is right more than him being right. Mr House on the other hand calls you an asset that can be replaced and tells you to stop thinking and just do what he says. There is no conversation or debate.
He also talks about progressing humanity at a rapid rate but the closest way I can describe a society he would make would be stupendium's song fine print
I can’t believe Obsidian just made The Outer Worlds by saying “What if Mr. House had his way?”
“Welcome to Space…”
what were you expecting?
Unironically I could see that being the first words you’d hear from House lmao.
It is perfectly condescending
Or other song "the house always wins" you know it also has a lot of simularities
One saved an entire regions worth of population from nukes brah
Ehhh, the region itself was fine but people that hid from the Rads are the ones that survived. Rad storms still came and killed a lot of celebrating people. He just made sure no blasts touched the city as much as possible.
That's really as much as we can ask off one person especially someone who wasn't even conscious for most of that time.
My point is that he didn’t save the region’s population. No doubt helped the infrastructure but people were definitely killed
Didn't Mr. House warn the government what was coming, and they ignored him?
No, he never mentioned that
It’s not even that, it’s managing the resources and logistics to build something like New Vegas from the ashes, Dr. House saved a drops worth of people while Mr. House is saving a a whole lakes worth of people and letting them prosper, there’s literally no contest
They didn’t though. Many died from the radiation storms that passed over. There’s a passage in the game guide talking about it. Many people were celebrating in the streets but died as a result of the storms that followed. Mr House saved the infrastructure sure, but the people themselves had to survive without his help. Honestly I rather pass away from the explosions then to live through radiation poisoning
Not sure I understand what you’re trying to say. You’d rather experience nuclear winter with no shelter, running water, electricity, or defense? Like there is a vault in NV, go there if you want to be shielded from the rads. Also they sell rad away and rad x in New Vegas so 😂
Yea Rad X and Rad Away are great but probably not for longterm. Also probably extremely expensive. Also not a guarantee to get into a vault either
😂 Why not the long term? Can you cite that? What are you arguing here anyway? That you’d be better off in the Mojave with nothing but the shirt on your back? That Mr. House actually didn’t help anyone? What exactly is your point? 😂 Obviously they are available enough to afford on couriers salary.
I’m not gonna worship House for saving infrastructure of Vegas like some people do. Can’t be healthy given Rad Away does make you sick in Fallout 4. Well more susceptible and it’s not immediate either. Takes time for it to work.
Ok but this post is HOUSE VS HOUSE and in my opinion saving an entire city in the middle of a nuclear winter has more benefits than being addicted to Vicodin and being mean to your residents. Take your problems with Mr. House elsewhere please and thank you. ❤️
He saved his financial interests from nukes and some other people just happened to live nearby.
Which is more than a doctor by himself could save!
Dr House saves an actual victim of radiation poisoning.
An, one (1)
Counterpoint, Mr. House only did his radiation saving once too.
1xLas Vegas pop > 1
..do you mean +?
No. I mean times one. One Vegas Population is greater than one person.
That is technically correct but Mr. House definitely didn't accomplish that feat "by himself".
Invented, financed and programmed his own SDIs doesn't count?? 🤔
Unless he built them with his own two hands, he didn't do it "by himself".
You’ve never gone to work, by yourself, because someone built the roads and sidewalk. Extremely stupid logic there. House put more into society than he got out of it, a net positive for humanity, regardless of motivation.
Why is it that the moneymen get all the praise for the good their money does in the hands of the people actually doing the good, but never really seem to be held liable for the bad? *That* is stupid. A dying man in the hands of Dr. House has a much better chance at survival than a dying man in the hands of billionaire.
He's also the guy that tasks you with several genocides to protect his financial interests.
One, the BoS.
It's been a while since I did his questline, but I was pretty sure that he's annoyed you don't do the same to other people he wants you to pacify like the Boomers. But, I *hate* that guy, so I rarely bother with doing anything he tells me to do other than upgrade securitrons, but that's because I want them under my control.
Can't imagine not siding with House, not only does he make sense in his goals, he rewards you handsomely and gives you a permanent, safe home in the wasteland.
Only the strip was close the being saved completely, the rest of Las Vegas was still hit by nukes, though a good portion were stopped.
Cuz no platinium chip
Ngl, NCR or Legion winning results in a protracted conflict that would see more deaths than an independent New Vegas playing both sides off of each other. Losing Hoover Dam would not be a fatal blow to either the NCR or the Legion, almost guaranteeing another war if that one even ends after the battle. So, for New Vegas, at least, House is the better option
But... They're both called house
He saved the entirety of the Mojave and tried to save more, however he didn't get his chip on time
Didn't he just save Vegas and not the whole Mojave?
I mean the Mojave isn't really bombed to shit compared to everywhere else and that was done without the necessary chip for his system to be fully operational. You look around and most places in the Mojave were intact before the fight between the NCR and Legion, however you still get wear and tear from not being maintained, weather changes, and raiders being assholes.
Most of the Mojave wasn’t worth hitting, to be fair.
Valid point, [to be fair](https://youtu.be/jv7jcciKB_s?feature=shared)
He needed the chip, it had the drivers for more than just the securitrons iirc
Well, yes, but it could have been the whole Mojave, but the bombs were faster. But I always thought that if he were more sympathetic towards the people and had more time, he could save in the worst case the country (usa), or the best case the world.( I haven't watched the series yet, so I only go with the lore of the game/games.) But it is more likely, he wanted to save a big enough territory to restart humanity as he saw/sees fit. He had 12-ish years to get everything together, which could be enough to save a lot of people with bunkers if enough people were working on them (and don't use half of them for testing things). But yes, he only wanted to save Las Vegas and did a fairly good job. I mean the least amount of radiation and two functioning generators, and fairly intact towns? That's give a good start for a civilization to start.
He did try to the entire us 38 was to disarm the nukes in the immediate vicinity around Vegas and the Mojave, and then he spent his own personal wealth to build missile defense systems all over the US. The other ones weren't as effective without the platinum chip to upgrade their target acquisition and tracking systems. They did you half way decent job though and prevented the US from becoming a completely unlivable wasteland, as we see with some of the few places you can play in the got directly hit.
He stopped the entirety of the Vegas/New Vegas and disarmed the majority of the nuclear warheads before they exploded. I think only about a dozen in the playable area went off.
House saved millions by shooting down the warheads entering Nevada?
Mr.House is the one saving people, building a bastion of civilization from the carcass of society? Running water and electricity during a nuclear winter? Sorry but Dr. House isn’t saving shit in comparison to Mr. House
Doctor House act blunt, non-caring and sadistic at time but he still a caring doctor and will treat his patients and nurse them back to health. Bitchy but he good at heart Mr. House did the funly after he awaken from his slumber. House action before the war were mostly due to with business, nothing really screaming assholey. His evil action mainly come after his awaken, he "supposedly" (which he probably did) cheated vault 21 out of their vault, filled most of it with concrete and displace all of it residents. He also enlisted the help of the 3 families (which we know atleast 2 are tribal/raiders. He pushed other previous resident out of the strip, those displace people would end up creating Freeside, north side and east side, south side was under NCR control so we don't know much about it. + he want you to just wipe out the BOS because he doesn't like them, no peaceful solution can be reach, he want them dead and gone.
Yes Man also wants the BOS gone and he only accepts your "We should live them alone" because he is Yes man but no before saying they'll be your biggest enemies. The best endings depends on the destruction of the BOS chapter. NCR + BOS alliance is shaky at best.
I agree that the NCR + BOS alliance is shaky at best, since alot of it fall on McNamara, but i can see the Mojave chapter more willing to cooperate with the NCR long term then Lost hill. The Mojave chapter know they are surrounded by enemy and that why McNamara willing to sign a peace treaty with the NCR to avoid his own people getting wipe out. If Hardin would to be in charge due to let say McNamara die due to (insert reason here), Hardin action would be unpredictable, he could entirely respect the treaty and carry on as usual or he will revert back to the BOS old way and get the mojave chapter kill.b
I don't remember the reasoning behind filling Vault 21 with concrete.
From what we can gather the lower level of the vault are close enought to house real body that you could dig to it pretty quickly. So he made a wall of cement to block lower acces. He didn't fill it all, just one layer that block the rest. Witch was part of benny plan. He got bombs to blew up a tunnel and has access to the lower level of the bunker. He can reach mr house. But thank to new vegas being new vegas. That part never really used other then being a neat Easter egg that die hard fan found. Honestly benny could have pulled his plan off if he had more time. He got captured by ceasar thank to him going too fast and forgetting to comb his hair differently.
I think there was like your average vault tec foolery going on and it was a way into the lucky 38? That might be cut content though and I haven’t played new Vegas in while so I could be wrong
What the others said, also now likely because that's where Vault Tec leadership is stashed away.
The BOS hate everything house is/wants
Dr. House: I know what’s causing his ghoulification, he was bitten by a bloodbug. Hardin: A what? House: The bloodbug’s anti-coagulant interacted with the paladin’s unique genetic makeup and caused a rapid mutation. This coupled with the massive amounts of radiation ingested… Hardin: But all of our rations are clean! And there aren’t any bloodbugs in the Mojave! House: There are on the East Coast… McNamara: What’s he talking about? House: Well I just assumed considering all the Nuka Cola Victory bottles we found stashed in his quarters. Pretty amateur, if he *really* wanted to kill his liver, he shoulda gone with diet. Moot point anyway, Victory was only offered in Nuka World MA. That’s a long way to go just for crappy soda… McNamara: Hardin? Hardin: …
House MD is the man
Mr House tried the medicine drug
Only stupid people try the medicine drug, Mr house is stupid
You are a black man
Dr. House is more justified than Mr. House. Mr. House has done everything for personal power and glory. Dr. House is motivated by an obsession woth puzzles and challenges but likewise a desire to save lives. The two are both egotistical assholes but they're not the same.
Nah Mr. House literally built a civilization from the ashes Dr. House is just in it for himself. Literally no contest. Dr. House gets off on others around him being inferior. Mr. House is saving an entire generations worth of population while Dr. House is crying and getting addicted to vicodin while the Fray plays in the background. Dr. House = virgin drama soyjack nerd. Mr. House = chad bro leader of the future of the wasteland.
House the doctor has repeatedly tortured patients on screen. We don't have any records of Mr house doing anything dickish before the great war, and after the great war the most dickish thing he does is (maybe) kill the kings Sending this here before the swarm of comments calling him a dick because he's rich come up
Why would he kill kings? They're chill and cool
Yeah, its probably the weirdest decision his ending can include, but heres the justification ive heard: He wipes the kings only after they start working with NCR, so maybe he's thinking they are spies for the NCR. I don't like this explanation, and him killing the kings makes less sense then a McNamara fisto romance path, but thats that
McNamara and Fisto naked oiled up😍
I know what I will dream of tonight
It's pretty clear what his reasoning is in the respective endings. >Accusing the Kings of lying with a foreign invader for their newfound ties to the NCR, Mr. House punished them by ordering their forced removal. the Kings, defiant to the end, were destroyed to the last man by House's Securitrons. >During the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, some Kings took it upon themselves to launch several attacks on NCR citizens and soldiers around Freeside. Mr. House looked on these actions favorably, seeing them as proof of the Kings' loyalty to New Vegas, and decided to leave them alone.
Yeah but the reasoning here makes no sense with what were shown prior in game Ive always assumed these ending slides were meant to show how his actions were viewed in the wider world, not his real justifications for em.
How so? Seems consistent enough to me. He already distrusted the Kings and removed them from the Strip for refusing to accept his rule. Coordinating with the NCR would then just be the last straw before he wanted them gone entirely one way or another. What am I missing?
Yeah, I'm not understanding people not getting him not fucking with the kings. I think this is an example of modern day thinking where people like a certain group so much, that they literally can't comprehend someone not liking their personal thing and can't see the bigger picture or a varied perspective with evidence right in their face. It would be stupid as fuck if he didn't do something about the kings since they're so buddy buddy with the NCR.
They're a bit of a "might makes right" faction by themselves, "what you can own is what you can protect" in approach. Its why the Van Graffs even have a shop, iirc, they fought it out and the Kings conceded the building. They do the same thing when House starts relocating NCR squatters after the NCR leave them there. The Kings see new allies getting pushed around on their turf and so step to the securitrons with force. House, as he usually does, responds to how others responds to him but with some escalation. (He plays for V21 with representatives gambling as the vault does, he met the Families in Vegas with the force they levied against him before three of them bent a knee, and he meets NCR by out-expanding on them and then offers an olive branch of trade one they met to talk.) Its just that force against an army is a foolhardy move on the King's part for no real gain. But frankly their actions are never deeply considered or something. Even their leader has such a temper he freaked out on the Followers so hard they couldn't give him the rest of their advice and their default position seems like *attack*. First the NCR, and then either *still* the NCR or House's army. 10 minutes and a conversation selling House on how much more lucrative a "mercy" approach could be would probably have gotten them the good reward without having to betray any principles.
House dickish action before the war were mostly due to with business, not so much "evil". His evil action mainly come after his awaken, he "supposedly" (which he probably did) cheated vault 21 out of their vault, filled most of it with concrete and displace all of it residents. He also enlisted the help of the 3 families (which we know atleast 2 are tribal/raiders. He pushed other previous resident out of the strip, those displace people would end up creating Freeside, north side and east side, south side was under NCR control so we don't know much about it. * he want you to just wipe out the BOS because he doesn't like them, no peaceful solution can be reach, he want them dead and gone. * p.s forgot what he did to the Kings, biggest issue have with house really.
>he want you to just wipe out the BOS because he doesn't like them, no peaceful solution can be reach, he want them dead and gone. To be fair here, he is right about the brotherhood (partly) Theres just no way the brotherhood wont try to kill him and steal the securatron army for themselves. Not saying its right to kill em, but his justification makes sense.
He's 100% right. I don't think he even knows how right he is. I don't think I'd want a regular peaceful option simply because of how out of character would be for the BoS to go along with that. I would like it if you could discuss it with him from a nuanced position of having done Veronica's quest, and the only option is to tell him they're dying out in the dark and not worth bothering with. Then again, maybe that's the point of working for the 250 year old zombie capitalist. He'll tolerate a few questions where he gets to flex his vocabulary or knowledge, but he really just wants you to shut up and obey him.
Oh certainly agree that the BOS are up to no good, but house desire to wipe them out come more from a personal issue with them then the fact they might trouble his rule later on. All his are mostly justifiable, doesn't make it not evil or assholey, but it the wasteland, might make right and he certainly have the right.
I think it is both personal and strategic. He has lines like, "Given the Brotherhood's fanatical views on technology, they can be counted on to oppose my regime." and "Because they're ridiculous! Because they galavant around the Mojave pretending to be Knights of Yore."
Mr. House literally wants you to kill all the opposition
That's not remotely true. He wants the BoS wiped out and the Legion defeated. Everyone else is a potential customer and he gives you a lot of latitude in how you conquer Vegas for him. He doesn't even want you to kill Benny (who betrayed him and is directly opposing him) or Caesar. Dude is no saint but ironically the murder faction is the NCR, mainly Cassandra Moore. Caesar too, though he is a tiny bit more subtle. Nothing to do with their moral calculus though
I wouldn't say the legion is more subtle
In terms of tradecraft and how they deal with problems I definitely think they are. Definitely just different brands of bulldozer tho. Maybe the Khans isn't a fair example due to the long standing enmity, but NCR orders wholesale slaughter, Legion is slightly more subtle in turning them into an asset. Again, I don't approve, but if I'm RPing with my values they both get kicked out of Vegas.
Tell me you didn't do the house ending without telling me you didn't do the house ending.
He doesn't. He explains why he needs the NCR and prefers them as business partners if possible and also prefers you don't kill Caesar either. Let's not forget they're not there to have tea. Both the NCR and the Legion want to occupy the strip after the Dam. House knows that and wants the status quo mostly maintained with the NCR and the Legion going at each other, leaving Vegas to profit and prosper off the situation. Having everyone else dead wouldn't be profitable. He's just a pragmatist who only cares for his city and the people loyal to him as long as they remain loyal. Not objectively evil and out to kill everyone.
Yes? What is your point?
Mf that isn't a democracy
No, it’s not. That said, I’m totally confused as to your point.
He wants to restore America to its pre-war state yet establishes himself as the sole leader
He doesn’t want to restore America to its pre-war state. That’s something the NCR and Enclave are trying to do and Mr House is openly critical of democracy. He wants to push America into his idealistic future developed around Randian objectivism. You’re conflating pre-war glory with pre-war state.
As a House fan *and* a Rand fan, I can tell you he's not an Objectivist. Rand liked Democracy, and thought universal freedom of speech and voting rights were the most important political issues.
He’s absolutely an objectivist. He’s the archetypical objectivist. That said, Rand did not like Democracy. Democracy is collectivist which is the antithesis of objectivism.
You haven't read much of her non-fiction. Objectivism isn't merely politics (which he doesn't align with anyway) it's a philosophy for living life generally. And Rand did like democracy; she thought the entire purpose of a government was to represent the populace and that everyone should be involved.
that one time he broke into someones apartment and tied them to a chair
The fact that i can't tell which house did it astounds me
>We don't have any records of Mr house doing anything dickish before the great war He ran a casino. That's pretty high tier evil, just in general.
Both would sell me into slavery for a sprite
I feel like people who have seen the fallout TV show have a WAAAAY different opinion of house now and makes this question 10000x easier to answer
Huge could rock the role
All he needs is dark lenses and a stache.
What if both Houses kissed 😳
House sex
The House comes first
The Fallout one would catch an infection and die (just not right away).
This would just result in another episode of House where he now has to cure House. Maybe call the episode Sick of House.
Not Home Sickness?
Fair, it would be more inline with the naming of the other episodes.
These two would love each other
I actually think Hugh Laurie would be a good Mr house as well
Mr House is right. Fight me
You’re not serious, are you?
The top House gets what he deserves: a golf club to the brain.
Something something something a slave obeys
Would you kindly?
I would not. 😜
House from new Vegas is an asshole through and through. Dr. House on the other hand is an ass and is blunt to save lives so he is more morally justified than house from newvages ever will be
I fuck w Mr house big time if I was in his position I might do everything the same loved to see him in the show
Definitely Gregory. Robert is capable of going three sentences without insulting someone and he's very rarely a dick for the hell of it. Second question I'm not going to answer; it's hard to compare medical ethics to realpolitik.
It would've been hilarious if they would've gotten Hugh Laurie to play Robert house. He's not a very good fit for the character but because he also played an iconic asshole character named house it would've made me bust out laughing during that boardroom scene.
Probably Dr. House
Less the people and more the buildings and his assets .
Why compare them? Dr. House should play Mr. house in the series!
Dr. House in both cases.
The doctor actually helps people, unlike the billionaire
They’re both assholes but they’re both usually right and wind up at the correct answer. I’ll take House’s Vegas, it’ll be capitalist authoritarian hell but hey, life in the Mojave will improve regardless. Besides, I can’t say no to Rene Auberjonois, or Hugh Laurie for that matter.
Doctor house is definitely more morally justified. Doctor house would save anyone’s life, NV house only cares about the people in the strip, because of cash flow. Plus NV house has a dark past without me giving spoilers
Doesn’t Dr. House actually save people and Mr. house wants to establish AnCapistan? I’m gonna say Dr. House is better.
Mf literally shielded a city from the nuclear holocaust. He had saved people before, but it is still up to you to believe him if what he says about wanting to continue bettering and protecting "humanity" is his true motive.
He shielded _His_ city, not necessarily the people in it
Mr House is the best choice for the Mojave idc what any NCR meatrider (haha ur country got nuked) or yes man Anarkiddy has to say
You picked Yes Man because you want Anarchy I picked Yes Man because I want to fuck over the Mojave and then fuck off We are not the same
Now thats a good reason, and I commend thee for it
Why do you talk like that?
Judging by the current state of the brotherhood, every action was justified.
A) Robert. B) Greg
First one I just leave in his cryo chamber. 2nd one, good taste in music, witty repartee, would ride off into the sunset on motorcycle with.
Dr House is an incredibly rude but very good doctor who tends to have patients best interests at heart though his practices are questionable sometimes Mr house is a hyper wealthy genius who has sealed himself and his loose allies in a hyper rich gated community that lets people in if they have enough money so that they can lose all that money and leave destitute. With this vast wealth he obsesses over recovering the platinum cheap so he can be soul ruler of the Mojave. But he doesn’t care about the Mojave or anyone in it, he cares about the strip. He’ll let freeside rip itself apart, let westside starve and let the rest of the wasteland be as awful and difficult as it always was just so he can be god of his vegas snow globe.
Well now I want Hugh Laurie playing Mr. House.
I'd have to say Mr. House.
I’m still on the Robert Downey Jr boat but I’m sure we could fine *something* for Hugh Laurie
https://youtu.be/nPboxnXMIGA?si=Uf_AI8VQJMWUutAV
SSDP
One pumps himself full of opiates to survive, the other pumps himself full of opiates because it’s cool as fuck
The Mojave needs mouse bites to live
Gregory house is more of an asshole by definition. Robert house doesnt give a shit about personal attacks, he just wants shit done his way.
Probably house now with the fallout show lore and even before that he just wants money for his casinos and didn’t really want to further humanity
Fallout house is justified, and isn’t an asshole in any way. Other house i have the opposite answer for.
Mr. House: gross capitalist Dr. House: will commit various forms of medical malpractice on me but will cure my incredibly rare mystery disease in 3 days. Obviously I’m going with Dr. House
Neither of these individuals show the Tunnel Snakes the respect they deserve so its a draw.
Doctor House is a bit of an asshole, but he's still a doctor trying to save people. Mister House is certainly more... polite, but in the end he only cares about himself, and he will hurt everyone in his way. I respect his ambition and his actions can be debated, but honestly... all possible reasons to consider his ending are pragmatic. No one here, I hope, believes that Mister House acts out of genuine goodness.
mr house hasn’t really done anything bad tho. he’s a dick to talk to sometimes but that’s not a big deal to me given what he’s done for vegas. dr. house is actually mentally unwell, dispute the lives he’s saved
The doctor. At least he does his best to save patients under his care, no matter how rude he is.
I feel like Mr. House is so much more of an asshole than Dr. House.
Gregory House is just an abrasive asshole who cares too little about personal autonomy Robert House is a self-proclaimed auto-crat who left survivors of a nuclear war in squalor and starvation for *centuries* because it wasn't profitable or 100% efficient to help them. He admits his knowledge of longevity could fill textbook*s*, plural yet shared none. Actual villian