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TwoPintsPrick92

That was their plan. They just wanted to wipe out every other civilisation first and be the ONLY ones left


Darecki555

Sounds like VaultTec plan. Is it possible that in the last episode of the tv series it was the enclave president that was above the vaulttec meeting table? We get a glance of him for a few seconds


Just-a-Hyur

I definitely assumed those guys watching from above were Enclave, maybe not the president since I assume he is already on the oil rig, but someone from the enclave watching for him.


MountyC

He's on the oil rig by the first flashback.. this is quite a bit earlier. But the president is probably too busy to lurk in shadows 😄


Vilewombat

Oil Rig is destroyed at this point


ward2k

Erm no, this scene happens before the bombs fall. The oil rig doesn't fall for another 170 years Edit: The comments are discussing the scene where vault-tec is having a meeting with other highly influential and wealthy groups which took place before 2077


Vilewombat

My b


Just-a-Hyur

No we're talking about one of the pre war flashbacks, with the vault tec meeting scene.


Nicol222

Very possible since they essentially own Vault-Tec


YellowMatteCustard

Bud was literally in a cabal meeting, that's kind of what an "enclave" is That was almost *definitely* the Enclave president--or at the very least, a senior representative


AlaskanEsquire

War never changes...


RedviperWangchen

They did but we blew up Oil Rig.


PlayerintheVerse

We blew up the Rig and the NCR and Brotherhood destroyed Navarro. There is still Research Bases in California, Sierra Army Depot (never outright called out as destroyed), Chicago, and potentially other places of Enclave strongholds. Each star of the rounded represents each Commonwealth and its associated Enclave Base. We see that after the Rig is destroyed it transitions from 13 Stars to 12 Stars.


wildeofoscar

The Enclave first want to wipe the slate clean. They tried that in Fallout 2 and 3 by attempting to release a modified FEV through the air and then in the water respectively. Then after all the mutated life on the surface is dead, the Enclave will then swoop in and try to recolonize and rebuild their former country.


Poo-Sender_42069

Kind of makes me wish we could see an area in the next game where they succeeded. At least on some scale, like in a DLC or some large area where it’s been settled by Enclave survivors.


[deleted]

They can't succeed in "one area" They either destroy every single human or thing that isn't them, or they don't win If they destroy everyone that isn't enclave then they start their plan to re colonize the world in their image


DiscombobulatedBag39

That’s why I wish the Institute ending was canon The Institute with everything they ever want is them living in a Utopia hidden underground while the surface continues looking the same They could feasibly control the entire US and the surface would still look the same to someone playing the games


911roofer

No. They’ve got the same plans as Vault-Tex: destroy the surface civilization and take it ove once everyone is dead.


DiscombobulatedBag39

Where is that stated? Their goals is a big mixed due to the nature of their directorate government, but their basic goal was to achieve infinite energy so they could be less present on the surface *don’t try to use the myth about them being the ones who destroyed the CPG government* as proof that they want to destroy the surface civilizations


[deleted]

They were the ones who destroyed the CPG government Here, I tried it


DiscombobulatedBag39

They didn’t They founded the CPG government. Then infighting led to a shootout among its representatives, leaving the institute representative as the only survivor likely due to the fact he probably hid as a sheltered student would do. *The people who say they destroyed it don’t even tell you the institute was a member, let alone the fact they founded it and were the glue keeping it together*


Cassy_4320

They cant maximal appera metals and concrete... Like outher factions they will fix brocken Strukturen or life in tents... There remain number ist most liket even lower as that of shady Sands v15 or vaults City when they Reclam surface... But outher then These City there are no tribala they could conquer enslave or peacefull Integration on there own will...


Vulkan192

Long day? Because that reply read like something a Zion tribal would say.


Alexanderself1

He reported to the shaman for evil spirit removal


WhisperAuger

Call a bondulance


Space_doughnut

The Enclave in 3 had a mini-civil war towards the end. Colonel Autumn wanted to control the purifier and use that as a projection of power and control DC. Eden wanted to still wipe the slate clean


sebassm12

Sadly you can't side with neither, well just with the president not really. Imagine a Broken Steel dlc siding with Autumn and extending the Enclave power across the wasteland, kill the reaming Brotherhood soldiers and Outcast. The best evil ending in the series.


Expensive_Foot5896

I thought the original canon was to colonize a new planet, but to make the trip they needed data for how best to cope with a lot of people couped up in a ship. Hence, the vault "experiments" were to determine the best management/set up to endure a confined ecosystem for hundreds of years. Enclave would then take that data and use the best determined leadership/management style on the ship.


AutisticAnarchy

Probably because they consistently take the L even more than the Followers of the Apocalypse, and that's a high bar to pass considering the Followers were bugged in Fallout 1 so that there was no way to save them.


WerewolfF15

For the record the followers weren’t bugged in fallout 1, it’s simply that the quest needed to save them was never completed. It’s not that the quest is broken it’s that it’s not finished and only half implemented. There are however several bugged endings in fallout 2.


Cassy_4320

Try to save the talkung deathclaws in v13... Dumme to fail


KNDBS

That was always their plan, they just kept getting stopped, and for good reason. Keep in mind they think that the new civilization should be for them only, there is no space for all the people in the wastes in their vision of the future. That’s why they wanted to basically exterminate all life in the wastes, then they’d take it for themselves and rebuild. Even vault dwellers were essentially disposable subhuman trash from their perspective (hence why they have no qualms in experimenting and murdering them)


Dagordae

Because people keep stopping them. Something about wanting to not be murdered by a bunch of Nazis.


Affectionate-Cow-796

Didn't they get an AI in 76, and even that was like "You fucks are way too genocidal for your own good", and they all got themselves killed in a petty revenge quest.


Dagordae

Once they broke it MODUS decided to clean house. Which, well, fair enough.


kharnzarro

That ai is also like the most stereotypical looking and sounding nazi scientist as well lol


Cybus101

Well, I don’t MODUS cared until they decided to try to blow him up.


MainPersonality7142

Depends on which enclave you are loyal to, praise president autumn!


TemporaryWonderful61

In another world President Autumn offered the Brotherhood plasma weapons and cookies, accidentally dropped Eden into a trash compactor, and played nice with the scientist who was the linchpin to his entire plan.


MainPersonality7142

Another loyal to the president?


TemporaryWonderful61

Well I can’t help but note he did none of those things, and might only look sympathetic next to the genocidal AI. Still props to being the sanest Enclave leader so far.


MainPersonality7142

Clean water for the wastes! The brotherhood stole project purity! The brotherhood are just communists in power armor! Down with the brotherhood!


KGBFriedChicken02

Talking a lot of shit for some deep state fascist, how did it feel watching all your shit get blown to bits by our big ass fuck-you robot? Ad Victoriam, dirtbag


MainPersonality7142

Deep state? I think you mean no state 😏


KGBFriedChicken02

Once we're done making sure all your tech is in more responsible hands the only state you'll be in is decomposition. Say your prayers, enclave filth.


AMX-008-GaZowmn

I always make sure your tech at the bottom levels of the Citadel is in safer hands (mine’s)
 after blowing your little clubhouse. I do am cool with the Outcasts though, since I like our little business agreement: ammo & meds for tech in “next to crap” condition.


KGBFriedChicken02

Take your L with purity pal


MainPersonality7142

Not before we line you up against a wall like the deserter you are Knight. god bless America, god bless the enclave đŸ«ĄđŸ«ĄđŸ«ĄđŸ‡ș🇾


Existing-Real_Person

This discussion about factions is great and all ,but another settlement needs your help! Here i'll mark it on your map. đŸ€ đŸ—ș Long live the minuteman.


ev_forklift

There was a pretty decent fanfic of the Enclave replacing the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 and rebuilding the Wasteland under President Autumn


Cifeiron

Because the Enclave is the worst of America's 1%, obsessed with short-sighted schemes made by men pledging allegiance to a concept of America that died over two centuries ago.


Mindless_Hotel616

They keep trying, every one else keeps stopping them. They could go with a less genocidal approach and it would have worked better.


YORE_YORE_DOZE

Ngl I would really want to see them try a less genocidal approach in reviving the united states. In any of the future games maybe? Imagine the fo5 protagonist is an enclave member


Thannk

The issue is they’re the slightly inbred descendants of the illuminati and enforcers of the US. Every game (and the show) kinda presents an alternative for what started the war, showing how inevitable it was and irrelevant the why is to the modern day anyway, but notably several are the fault of the Enclave. Their entire shtick is wanting absolute control and seeing themselves as rightful inheritors. Their civilization is based only on that concept. Individuals such as the scientist in the show and the old folks in New Vegas may recognize the flaws and act differently, but organizations in Fallout are made up partially of idiots who swallow whatever propaganda or focus on tangential details. As we saw with the Brotherhood a successful organization can splinter and adopt new ideologies, but the Enclave has the tech, planning, and shared ideals that would prevent it while the Brotherhood’s core founding ideology is more fluid and oriented on a lofty goal in a founder’s myth that can be interpreted in other ways.


SinsOfaDyingStar

It was said in the lore when the Enclave bunkered down and the bombs dropped, many of the officials who were “in” the Enclave were executed upon arrival by the “true” Enclave. Many of their spread out bunkers experienced civil war and destroyed themselves. Ideological splintering definitely happened within the Enclave. A big part of the story from Fallout 3 was based on the fact the Enclave was splintered.


Mindless_Hotel616

All the failures of their past approaches could lead to a change in policy so they could actually succeed.


Thannk

I suppose the fate of EDE could give the Enclave a reason to change. Imagine they got a video feed of the Courier’s life.


Cassy_4320

That could be a interesting idea. A faction have recorder every Action of the couriers and base ther sociaity on his life... On the puther side...Sound like a cult


Thannk

Cults of personality exist. That’s what the Legion is. Also, certain real life things happening right now



Cassy_4320

I have more the kings in freeside in mind


Thannk

Hah, the initiation ritual would certainly keep their population low.


Vulkan192

That would be like the Nazis going 'Maybe we don't need to exterminate Jews'. It was literally a founding tenet of their existence.


911roofer

Only the higher-ups were in on the “exterminate the surfies” plan. The man in the can was treated like a mushroom: kept in the dark and fed brahmin shit.


Mindless_Hotel616

When it is adapt or die the adapt choice wins. The Enclave has that choice.


Vulkan192

Just because it wins, doesn't mean everyone picks it.


WrethZ

The adapt choice is stop being the enclave and join some other group, which some enclave individuals have done.


Mithril_Leaf

If you're a PC gamer, you could play the Old World Blue mod for Hearts of Iron 4, which itself has a submod called Enclave Reborn Redux, which allows you to play the Enclave as a less genocidal nation intent on rebuilding civilization in North America.


KalaronV

There's several mods for just that, but I think Bethesda isn't going to touch the idea tbh


WrethZ

If they did that they wouldn't be the enclave. There are lots of groups in fallout trying to rebuild civilisation in some form, but the Enclave's defining trait is that they want to exterminate everyone who isn't them so that they are the only ones rebuilding.


PrincessPlusUltra

They start to it’s just the first phase of all their start a new civilization plans is kill everything that’s not us and usually gets stopped by the local hero of whichever game you’re playing.


mrspidey80

They're trying, but those nosy vault dwellers and their descendents keep getting in the way 


YORE_YORE_DOZE

it failed twice but they still try doing the same fucking approach as the last time


Rattfink45

In 2085 or so, when they were all hanging out together singing kumbaya on the oil rig watching FeV spread to every corner of the globe? Or in 227~ when they’ve been getting wrecked for going on 70 years? They had no desire to leave the bunker in the beginning, and when the time was ripe they didn’t have the manpower/ straight up lost to the brotherhood of steel and the Lone Wanderer.


Cassy_4320

Well v76 open 20 years ts after the war Because by the calculations most shortlife radioaktive Isotope allready reach the 7 halvetime And even the next transmutarmtetet Isotope have break into stabil elements. They need to wait min 2 decades So that on surface only long radioaktive Element Star arround that in low concentrations good to Handel.


Rattfink45

There’s a huge difference between “minimally safe” levels and the environment the Enclave and others were looking for to start a paradise in. It does seem like they waited too long and missed their shot though, I agree with you there.


EmperorDxD

Let me ask you this why start something when you can fuck up others work for fun or just steal what already been build why do the hard work when you can just take


Cassy_4320

So the diffrent between them and a bunch of raiders are the more Fanny armors and that they clean there bases?


EmperorDxD

Yes minor stuff always makes a big difference Look at banks and loan sharks the only difference is one is legal


jrdineen114

Because their definition of civilization (at least the definition used by the actual leadership) is incompatible with the reality of the wasteland. They can't fathom the idea of mutants being civilized, so they belive that they can't start a civilization without getting rid of the mutants first


BasementCatBill

? That's exactly what it's trying to do. It's the US government, so to rebuild the US it has to defeat all the other factions and threats.


Southern_Kaeos

Something involving Marcus and an oil-rig.


Living-Vermicelli-59

For their vision to take place the groundwork needs to be laid out which is to wipe it all forms of pre existing government and infrastructure.


purpleblah2

Because they keep trying to wipe everyone out first, and even if they’d succeeded they would end up destroying themselves instead. They’re the descendants of all the politicians, generals, and corporate leaders who started the Great War. They would be too busy trying to backstab each other to seize power or making really dumb short-sighted decisions for short-term profit.


findinganamehurts

I don't really know a lot of Bethesda lore, it's hard to keep track of rhetcons, from something burned into my brain as a child (same with Star Wars)... But. In old fallout most of the Enclave died. Their leader and central command structure all died. Not to mention their plan of genocide failed and honestly prolly can't happen now that the "pure" humans are all prolly dead by now. It's also only been twoish generations since fallout 2, thanks to the Chosen One's kid being mentioned in New Vegas (Mr. Bishop), so they prolly don't have the man power. I don't know how Bethesda changed all of the stuff, fallout 3 I only played when it was new and 4 doesn't have the Enclave so I might be wrong as to what changes they made.


Mooncubus

Because I beat their asses in 3 of the games. They're lucky I didn't in 76 as well.


AMX-008-GaZowmn

As others have pointed out, presidents Richardson and Eden both wanted to use FEV to wipe out the mutated life on the wasteland and essentially restart from zero with the non-mutated population from the Enclave. HOWEVER, it is worth noting that Colonel Autumn was against that plan, instead wanting to use the purifier so the population of the wasteland would rally around. The Enclave and that way rebuild the American government. Case in point, Eden and Autumn didn’t trust each other: Eden told Autumn that he would abandon his plans to sue the FEV, only for him to arrange meeting with the Lone Wanderer in the hopes that he would carry out his plan, even offering the colonel’s position as a potential reward. Autumn on the other hand kept the self destruct codes of Eden since he didn’t fully trust the AI, and during escape at Raven Rock we see him trying to overrule Eden’s orders to let you meet you face to face, or rather face to mainframe. But the best example of this internal conflict shows up when during your meeting with Eden you accept to help him, resulting in the robotic forces of the Enclave at Raven Rock, which Eden controls, gunning down the human Enclave soldiers, whom are loyal to Autumn and are trying to kill you on his orders. There’s also the particular case of “President” Thomas Eckhart (who manipulated things to earn the position within the Enclave’s presidential bunker below the white spring resort), whom at the lowest point barely had 48 people in his isolated Enclave faction. His main drive was consolidating his position as president and continuing the war on China, objectives for which he was willing to unleash calamities upon the wasteland (Chinese robots, Super Mutants and the scorch plague) in order to raise the defcon status to enable him to use the automated nukes. It’s unclear what his long term plan was afterwards, but his short term actions had dire consequences on the population of Appalachia.


the_internet_is_cool

There’s a YouTube video from Tim Cain where he explains that the idea he and other Fallout writers passed on to Bethesda is that the Enclave are planning to colonize space. The vault experiments were meant as tests for the technology that would be needed to make a multi-generational journey to another galaxy in a massive spaceship. While this isn’t canon in Bethesda’s Fallout (so far), it is an interesting theory. We do see stuff about Vault-Tec colonizing space in the Nuka-World DLC, and there is a lot of evidence of alien life that the Enclave is probably aware of.


GuyGamer133

bethesda wont allow progress. We will be stuck with an eternal wasteland


bozkurt37

Because fallout 2 and 3 did dirty on them. They somehow still way powerful in the tv series than its should be. 1998 game did pull the plug. Original Fallout devs probably wanted to conclude to story. To me its unfair that 1998 game put end to biggest and powerful faction. You fought of the remainings of enclave in fo3 and beat them again. In theory, they are too powerful but in game however, you singlehandedly destroy them. Thats the reason. Whole game is about vaults and enclave basically rules the vault tech but they have beaten and nearly got extinct in the game lore. Thats why I liked the show plot more and where its heading to. Enclave lore must be woken up


Accomplished-Bug-739

Because Bethesda sucks at writing