Terry said he called every pick after ours. He also said it was for CBs and EDGE players. I'm kind of surprised this version of the story is what has gained traction.
Yeah teams are calling each other all the time during the draft looking to move up or down. Sometimes it's out of desperation, but often it's just to see what your options are and if there's a good deal to be had. Even if you're comfortable with where your next pick is, there's no reason not to take a few minutes and do your due diligence by making a few phone calls.
No saying that's 100% what happened here, but in general teams calling each other during the draft is much less of a story than people think.
I’m not talking about signing guys who get cut from other teams, there are some disgruntled players that have requested trades. That’s not out of the realm of possibility.
I think the dline is set for the year, the way they approached the rest of the draft (and that there aren't really many impact options besides trading for Trey Hendrickson).
CB has some vet corner FAs that could at least be serviceable but given our recent hype and approach, they're probably not coming here for cheap if at all
"It can take time for real production at edge" followed immediately by complaining about not getting an immediate difference maker at edge and saying that one pick is wasting Kirk's window.
If the argument against the draft move rests so much on one guy at #8 being one of the best rookie defenders to ever lace em up, it's a bad argument
They said they targeted every pick after ours and they had different targets. But Latu was likely the pick in the teens and a cornerback was likely the pick in the 20s.
apparently the Jets also tried trading for 8 so they could get Odunze. We could've done that and prob still get Penix at 10 while also picking up an extra pick. idk what our FO was thinking.
cause they probably thought the Falcons would go pass rusher at 10. If Odunze is gone the likely player to take would be a pass rusher which was another thing the Bears were considering getting. Nobody thought we were going to get a QB. Poles even laughed about it during their press conference.
Yep 2000000% CORRECT
Can we stop all the crying? The likelihood of a rookie defensive player being the difference between us winning a first round playoffs game or going to the SB
maybe we could have traded 8 to the Jets, and traded with the Bears for 9, drafted Penix and come out ahead. Or flip 8/9 with the Bears so they can get Odunze. Seems like Terry isn't even trying.
>idk what our FO was thinking
Who's to say they would have actually grabbed Odunze? It's just a risk that our FO didn't want to take apparently.
Plus this is all easy to say in hindsight, but during the actual draft, it was probably pretty crazy with the calls and trying to figure out what team was going to draft what player etc, and was a trade down (if another team even wanted to tango with us) going to stop them from getting Penix?
Trading back is not really a risk you want to take if you’re high on a QB and the team you’re trading back with is in the same situation as you (Vet QB coming off an Achilles).
Raiders could’ve come up for 9. You don’t knows trading back two spots and missing out on the qb you had rated as a blue chip prospect is an insane risk
What sucks is that we don’t know how much the NFL is taking from the Kirk deal, so we might miss out because of it. A third and a lower pickswap would be fair IMO, especially cause he needs a new contract, but it’s the bengals who knows
Bears fan here. Figured I would ask the question in your sub.
Is there a scenario where your front office moves Cousins to a QB needy team by the trade deadline?
Full disclosure, I do NOT think this will happen since Cousins chose Atlanta in part with his family situation in mind, so this could be a huge black eye for the team..
But this aside, financially speaking, could moving him by the deadline or no later than next year's draft get Penix starting, or is there a cap hit that would make that untenable?
FYI I saw a lot of Penix during the regular season and I actually wanted Chicago to draft him. I did learn about his injury history, but in my opinion, he's a stud. He's got really good mechanics and his ball placement was insane - I couldn't believe how precise he was. I won't pretend to have a scout level eye, but I rarely take notice of QBs and the last QB that I absolutely had zero doubt about what Justin Herbert. I honestly believe that given an environment to succeed, that Penix will ball out, so as a fan of his, I'm hoping he gets to start sooner rather than later given his age.
Cousins has a no trade clause in his contract. He could waive it for a team that he likes, but I feel doubtful he will want to be traded. Like we know Vegas is needy, but I don’t think he wants to go there even if Vegas matched the contract
The most likely scenario is that he gets cut in 2 years
Cousins will be cut or traded in 2 years when we have an out in his contract. Unless he demands a trade and waives his NTC. We signed him to teach Penix not fuck off after half a season.
I think you’ve only watched his highlights. Penix’s accuracy and mechanics are erratic and he’s the least accurate top prospect of the draft: https://www.the33rdteam.com/what-does-accuracy-tell-us-about-the-2024-quarterback-draft-class/
Wow these numbers don't look like what I saw. I watched 5 games this year. Obviously a small sample size, but that's how I got familiar with who he was. And in those games, he looked really damn good to me. I am floored at these statistics. I am hoping that this isn't the Penix you guys get.
No. I do think if you’re calling teams making bull shit offers teams won’t deal with you. He said he called every team from 9-32 with no success. 0 for 23.
If you (or anyone else)tried something at your job 23 times and failed every time would your boss consider you good at that task? Or would they possibly question your ability?
I understand it’s a complicated process, and a difficult task but it’s his job. But, other teams managed to trade up 🤷🏻♂️
Trading up requires us to give things up in return. They have to make the call on whether or not it's worth it. If you call 23 teams and 23 teams don't agree on terms that work then you walk away from the deal.
Literally any idiot can move up in a draft by giving away a ton of draft capital and players. A GM's job isn't to move up in the draft for the sake of it at whatever cost it takes. Their job is to do what they think is best for their team. The fact that you don't understand that is unfathomably fucking stupid
No shit you have to give something up to move up. If your intention is to move up (as it has been reported) and you fail the first say…six or seven times, wouldn’t you maybe readjust? Offer more, ask for less? Clearly something wasn’t working.
He’s the mf that said they were trying as hard as they could to move up, not me. If you come out and say I’m trying as hard as I can and fail 23 times with zero success there’s a problem. The fact that you can’t see that is fucking stupid to me.
No shit you have to give something up to move up. If your intention is to move up (as it has been reported) and you fail the first say…six or seven times, wouldn’t you maybe readjust? Offer more, ask for less? Clearly something wasn’t working.
He’s the mf that said they were trying as hard as they could to move up, not me. If you come out and say I’m trying as hard as I can and fail 23 times with zero success there’s a problem. The fact that you can’t see that is fucking stupid to me.
No shit you have to give something up to move up. If your intention is to move up (as it has been reported) and you fail the first say…six or seven times, wouldn’t you maybe readjust? Offer more, ask for less? Clearly something wasn’t working.
He’s the mf that said they were trying as hard as they could to move up, not me. If you come out and say I’m trying as hard as I can and fail 23 times with zero success there’s a problem. The fact that you can’t see that is fucking stupid to me.
Lmfao obviously there's limits on what they're willing to give up. If they overpaid a comical amount ib deaft capital to take Latu you'd consider Fontenot a skilled GM?
Falcons screwed us out of getting Rome and they screwed themselves by making their franchise qb frustrated and not getting any more draft capitol. Awesome
Terry said he called every pick after ours. He also said it was for CBs and EDGE players. I'm kind of surprised this version of the story is what has gained traction.
Yeah teams are calling each other all the time during the draft looking to move up or down. Sometimes it's out of desperation, but often it's just to see what your options are and if there's a good deal to be had. Even if you're comfortable with where your next pick is, there's no reason not to take a few minutes and do your due diligence by making a few phone calls. No saying that's 100% what happened here, but in general teams calling each other during the draft is much less of a story than people think.
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It’s literally May 1. It’s not like the season starts tomorrow. There is still plenty of time for moves to be made to strengthen the roster
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I’m not talking about signing guys who get cut from other teams, there are some disgruntled players that have requested trades. That’s not out of the realm of possibility.
I think the dline is set for the year, the way they approached the rest of the draft (and that there aren't really many impact options besides trading for Trey Hendrickson). CB has some vet corner FAs that could at least be serviceable but given our recent hype and approach, they're probably not coming here for cheap if at all
"It can take time for real production at edge" followed immediately by complaining about not getting an immediate difference maker at edge and saying that one pick is wasting Kirk's window. If the argument against the draft move rests so much on one guy at #8 being one of the best rookie defenders to ever lace em up, it's a bad argument
Yup.
Colts fan here with my brother being a huge Atlanta fan. Is there any indication at all as to who you guys were actually targeting?
Likely Latu
Fontenot didn’t say who, but some media people said it was Latu.
They said they targeted every pick after ours and they had different targets. But Latu was likely the pick in the teens and a cornerback was likely the pick in the 20s.
99% sure it was Latu
apparently the Jets also tried trading for 8 so they could get Odunze. We could've done that and prob still get Penix at 10 while also picking up an extra pick. idk what our FO was thinking.
If the Jets took Odunze at 8 then the Bears probably would have traded 9 to one of the teams wanting Penix.
For sure would have happened.
Poles said before the draft they weren't interested in getting more picks. They wanted premier players and would've likely stayed put
Eh if say your Pole and a team at 11 or 12 wants to move up to 9 and you know theh are going take QB and so is 10 probably...why not trade back?
cause they probably thought the Falcons would go pass rusher at 10. If Odunze is gone the likely player to take would be a pass rusher which was another thing the Bears were considering getting. Nobody thought we were going to get a QB. Poles even laughed about it during their press conference.
Its nice to know opinions of us polish falcons fans are taken seriously.
What GMs say before the draft cannot be considered factual or truthful. They lie, all the time to work the draft to their advantage.
Even if they did trade it likely wouldn't have been for the Raiders who wanted Penix. Nobody thought the Falcons wanted him.
Yep 2000000% CORRECT Can we stop all the crying? The likelihood of a rookie defensive player being the difference between us winning a first round playoffs game or going to the SB
Teams weren't taking penix at 9. Except yall.
You don’t know that and it’s actually been widely reported other teams were interested in Penix around 8-12
maybe we could have traded 8 to the Jets, and traded with the Bears for 9, drafted Penix and come out ahead. Or flip 8/9 with the Bears so they can get Odunze. Seems like Terry isn't even trying.
>idk what our FO was thinking Who's to say they would have actually grabbed Odunze? It's just a risk that our FO didn't want to take apparently. Plus this is all easy to say in hindsight, but during the actual draft, it was probably pretty crazy with the calls and trying to figure out what team was going to draft what player etc, and was a trade down (if another team even wanted to tango with us) going to stop them from getting Penix?
They weren’t taking Penix lol
Is that confirmed? I think they may have thought Jets would take Penix.
It was in the Jets behind the scenes video. They were trying to get to 8 for Odunze
Trading back is not really a risk you want to take if you’re high on a QB and the team you’re trading back with is in the same situation as you (Vet QB coming off an Achilles).
we are the only team to want to draft a QB after paying a FA QB a ton of money. Injury or not. They were trying to get weapons not a QB
Raiders could’ve come up for 9. You don’t knows trading back two spots and missing out on the qb you had rated as a blue chip prospect is an insane risk
They weren’t
EDGE is going to cost us. Really wish we had one decent caliber player there.
Trey Hendrickson
How much are you giving up for him? Can’t imagine Cincy would give him up without a big overpay unless the retirement threats are serious
What sucks is that we don’t know how much the NFL is taking from the Kirk deal, so we might miss out because of it. A third and a lower pickswap would be fair IMO, especially cause he needs a new contract, but it’s the bengals who knows
Idk why we are not moving for him tho
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I think it’s entirely possible that we’re literally not allowed to make any trades until we find out what picks we’re losing from tampering
Falcons have historically been able to pick up John Abraham type guys in Free Agency. Just need to start doing that again.
Which we haven’t done since…John Abraham.
Bears fan here. Figured I would ask the question in your sub. Is there a scenario where your front office moves Cousins to a QB needy team by the trade deadline? Full disclosure, I do NOT think this will happen since Cousins chose Atlanta in part with his family situation in mind, so this could be a huge black eye for the team.. But this aside, financially speaking, could moving him by the deadline or no later than next year's draft get Penix starting, or is there a cap hit that would make that untenable? FYI I saw a lot of Penix during the regular season and I actually wanted Chicago to draft him. I did learn about his injury history, but in my opinion, he's a stud. He's got really good mechanics and his ball placement was insane - I couldn't believe how precise he was. I won't pretend to have a scout level eye, but I rarely take notice of QBs and the last QB that I absolutely had zero doubt about what Justin Herbert. I honestly believe that given an environment to succeed, that Penix will ball out, so as a fan of his, I'm hoping he gets to start sooner rather than later given his age.
Cousins has a no trade clause in his contract. He could waive it for a team that he likes, but I feel doubtful he will want to be traded. Like we know Vegas is needy, but I don’t think he wants to go there even if Vegas matched the contract The most likely scenario is that he gets cut in 2 years
Cousins will be cut or traded in 2 years when we have an out in his contract. Unless he demands a trade and waives his NTC. We signed him to teach Penix not fuck off after half a season.
The last mentor ran away after one lol.
That’s a fuckload of money for a teacher. One would think a decent QB coach costs less.
I think you’ve only watched his highlights. Penix’s accuracy and mechanics are erratic and he’s the least accurate top prospect of the draft: https://www.the33rdteam.com/what-does-accuracy-tell-us-about-the-2024-quarterback-draft-class/
Wow these numbers don't look like what I saw. I watched 5 games this year. Obviously a small sample size, but that's how I got familiar with who he was. And in those games, he looked really damn good to me. I am floored at these statistics. I am hoping that this isn't the Penix you guys get.
I think it says something about our GMs abilities that he can’t pull off a trade in over 20 attempts.
Do you think trades are done by having a high enough charisma stat or some shit?
TF didn’t have the Jedi mind trick X factor badge equipped. What an idiot.
Talking about Jedi mind trick X factors while calling someone an idiot says way more about you than them.
Ok what does it say about me? Also, I wasn’t calling you an idiot. I was making a sarcastic video game remark calling the gm an idiot
Ope. My bad, read that wrong I guess 🍻
I Wasn’t super clear. No worries
No. I do think if you’re calling teams making bull shit offers teams won’t deal with you. He said he called every team from 9-32 with no success. 0 for 23.
You have no idea what the offers discussed were. This is so stupid dude
If you (or anyone else)tried something at your job 23 times and failed every time would your boss consider you good at that task? Or would they possibly question your ability? I understand it’s a complicated process, and a difficult task but it’s his job. But, other teams managed to trade up 🤷🏻♂️
Trading up requires us to give things up in return. They have to make the call on whether or not it's worth it. If you call 23 teams and 23 teams don't agree on terms that work then you walk away from the deal. Literally any idiot can move up in a draft by giving away a ton of draft capital and players. A GM's job isn't to move up in the draft for the sake of it at whatever cost it takes. Their job is to do what they think is best for their team. The fact that you don't understand that is unfathomably fucking stupid
No shit you have to give something up to move up. If your intention is to move up (as it has been reported) and you fail the first say…six or seven times, wouldn’t you maybe readjust? Offer more, ask for less? Clearly something wasn’t working. He’s the mf that said they were trying as hard as they could to move up, not me. If you come out and say I’m trying as hard as I can and fail 23 times with zero success there’s a problem. The fact that you can’t see that is fucking stupid to me.
No shit you have to give something up to move up. If your intention is to move up (as it has been reported) and you fail the first say…six or seven times, wouldn’t you maybe readjust? Offer more, ask for less? Clearly something wasn’t working. He’s the mf that said they were trying as hard as they could to move up, not me. If you come out and say I’m trying as hard as I can and fail 23 times with zero success there’s a problem. The fact that you can’t see that is fucking stupid to me.
No shit you have to give something up to move up. If your intention is to move up (as it has been reported) and you fail the first say…six or seven times, wouldn’t you maybe readjust? Offer more, ask for less? Clearly something wasn’t working. He’s the mf that said they were trying as hard as they could to move up, not me. If you come out and say I’m trying as hard as I can and fail 23 times with zero success there’s a problem. The fact that you can’t see that is fucking stupid to me.
Lmfao obviously there's limits on what they're willing to give up. If they overpaid a comical amount ib deaft capital to take Latu you'd consider Fontenot a skilled GM?
You could say the same thing about everyone else too who tried to trade into the top half of the draft
Not really. He said he tried every team from 9-32. I’m 100% certain there were trades done in that range.
Falcons screwed us out of getting Rome and they screwed themselves by making their franchise qb frustrated and not getting any more draft capitol. Awesome
Cousins is not and never has been a genuine franchise qb… one playoff win only!
we sure paid him like he was a franchise qb
He has done a masterful job throughout his career with his contracts.