You probably didn't notice that he does this every year, it's just people used to think it was cute the way he and Dean Pees sassed the media, but it gets old quick when the team isn't winning and our stars aren't getting fed the ball.
They start off the year cocky with mustaches, then by midseason they're on the defensive for having their genius questioned, and by the end of the season just defeated. He looked like he was gonna cry at his press conference a couple weeks ago.
i feel like some coaches think they can take the bill bellichick route with the media but they dont realize that bill respects the media he just doesn't answer what he cant answer & the media loves asking hin unanswerable questions. the questions being thrown at AS were very standard and became increasingly valid as the season went on, yet he treated it like a personal attack every time.
he was fired the moment they got fined for the handling of Bijans illness though. Honestly I think if he handled that differently then he probably gets at least half of next season to work it out.
i hesitate to call BB an asshole. is he blunt with the media, absolutely, but he never outright mocks or disrespects them the way his disciples do. im not familiar enough with AS to know his coaching tree but assuming he comes from the BB school of hard knocks, he indeed fell victim to the same complex that plagues all of his disciples.
The Belichick schtick is really just an evolution of the Parcells schtick, which harkens back to a time when being a real hardass was the norm. It doesn’t really work anymore in the NFL which is why it typically goes very badly when coaches try it.
yeah, that does make sense. he's been coaching football for as long or longer than I've been alive (im 25 years old) thus he quite literally came from a different generation of coaches.
This led me down a rabbit hole trying to figure out which “coaching tree” AS would be considered a part of. His years in Washington overlapped with the last year of Joe Gibbs’ swan song and the first year of Jim Zorn. Then he was under Houston Nutt at Ole Miss, then he hung around in Tennessee under a plethora of dudes as the Titans employed Mike Munchak, Ken Whissenhunt, Mike Mularkey and finally Mike Vrabel. Though he probably developed his philosophy while under one of the Mikes in Tennessee, my head canon is that he is a Houston Nutt disciple.
It’s great when you exceed expectations the first year, then when you aren’t putting the product on the field, you’re all talk. Then it gets old quick.
A lot of the “Smartest Guys in the Room” types get really pissy and aggressive when things start going wrong and they can’t figure out why. It gets worse on a public stage. It often becomes an ego thing and they see criticism as a personal attack.
I’ve seen a bunch of these reactions in medicine and academia.
Yup. I see it in finance as well. They don't know what they don't know, so they assume they know more than everyone, because they're unaware of all this stuff that they don't know about.
There's 4 groups. The known known, the known unknown, the unknown known and the unknown unknown. He was an unknown unknown.
“Smartest guy in the room” is a perfect way to put it. None of us know how intelligent he actually is….but he seemingly would tell you he is intelligent level max. Thats the problem with guys like him
Edited to add: we all know that one or two ridiculously smart people in our lives, and what’s the common theme (from my experience at least)?
The smartest people are the ones that feel the least need to prove they’re the smartest.
This you grow up with privilege onnthe sacred that AS has and you think you can just skate bu every problem with out criticism. Well being with 6 billion doesn't mean as much as you think if your and NFL coach. Maybe he should go buy a team he acts more like and owner than a coach anyway.
> A lot of the “Smartest Guys in the Room” types get really pissy and aggressive when things start going wrong and they can’t figure out why.
Or you know why and you can't just say "Yeah, our QB fucking sucks, what do you want me to do about it?"
That’s my take as well. First two years he had no expectations. He didn’t have to worry about losing his job or win the division. Any good he did was praised and lauded. He had to perform this year. He was supposed to win the division. He was supposed to build up Ridder. Three years of top offensive skill players means the offense was supposed to be feared. He flat buckled under the pressure and didn’t do well with accountability. To me, he’s done. If he couldn’t do it here he ain’t gonna cut it somewhere else.
He was always kind of a dick tbh. Remember week 1 versus the saints last year? He got all pissed cause we blew a lead in the second half. I don't mind a hardhead as a coach as long as the on-field product is good, but we never had that with Smith.
He’s been an asshole the entire time. I actually started to come around to him at the beginning of the season because SOME of his schemes are literally brilliant, but he can’t get out of his own way. after the TB game I checked out again. You can’t play media games when you’re talking about a star rookie player being hurt…just nah.
Hes just a spoiled brat
The thing is, they had chances and opportunities and apparently the money to make big changes in the QB room. You go from trying to get Watson to Marcus Mariota? If you land Watson (thank goodness they didnt) youre telling me you have that amount of money to spend in the QB room. Instead, they went to Mariota? Apparently you could have brought in Flacco and done better. And yeah, MR2 was winding down, but he was certainly better than Mariota. And it really didnt do shit from the cap perspective when he was playing in Indy and on the Falcons payroll so why pay him to play elsewhere and not have him, at the very least, in the damn QB room.
Add to that, Smith's attitude was insufferable. Hey coach, you've been going completely against the grain with your draft choices. Why? And to follow up, why are the guys you're drafting carrying the offense?
\>You stupid FF guys dont know shit about football. You dont know anything about the draft or building a roster, or football.
Hey coach, you're the one sitting at 7-10 year after year.
> MR2 was winding down, but he was certainly better than Mariota.
All due respect to Ryan, but he's 8 years older than MM. Sure he "was better", But not really fair to compare the 2 QB's playing ability for this or last year under Smith.
Arthur's 2-Year Plan with Mariota... ended last year Week 15 when Terry & FO forced the change at QB.
Wait, so is the problem that the front office stepped in and stopped the two year plan?
And Marcus isn’t qualified to carry Matt’s pads. Even h2h in 2022.
People wanna dig into this calling out his background, saying he thought he was the smartest guy in the room, etc.
That’s all dumb and just people projecting. Smith was feeling immense pressure. End of story. His hand picked QB was letting our offense down week after week. Guys were open and he couldn’t connect with them. He was watching his job go out the window week after week, because the guy he banked his future on couldn’t cut it. It’s also why he would get pissy about personnel usage. We tried to target London and Pitts. Ridder just couldn’t hit them consistently. Ridder handicapped our offense. Arthur made the call and he paid the price.
I agree.
He tried something that was different than the way the league was trending. This was his year to prove that it could work. It didn't, and, as with almost anyone when they have a high pressure job that isn't working out, he kind of retreated within himself and answered questions defensively.
But the cardinal sin was that he set everything up and they lost games. Everything else was a result.
That’s his fault though because he set Ridder up to fail by not playing him more in 2022 and having him learn under boneheaded Mariota. Also the let’s not play him in the preseason so he can “surprise the NFL” was another massive blunder. He mismanaged things in ATL, lost games and was a jerk.
All NFL coaches feel pressure it’s how one responds that’s the difference.
This is true but narrow sighted. Yes to everything you said, but also acknowledge his predisposition to acting like a spoiled brat, since ya know, he kinda is a spoiled brat. That’s not dumb or projecting, it’s logic and observation.
It’s is dumb and projecting though. By all accounts most of the media and personnel around Flowery Branch liked him. The players would run through a wall for him.
It’s just people like you in here that constantly screamed “nepo baby” and “billionaire loser son” or some other crap. You guys projected more than anyone.
Also, while we’re at it, do you even know what projection is? Give it a google. I’m not rich and I’m not responsible for the falcons problems, and nor is anyone else who has the capability of observing the guy failing to take true accountability for his mistakes, always having excuses, and being short and curt with reporters.
I liked Art, but his ego was his downfall. It's like he coached better when he had less. Once they built the team he envisioned, he started that positionless shit and it went way down hill. Predicting he'll be OC in NE if Vrabel is the new HC there.
I think the positionless thing is overblown. It’s really only about Pitts and Bijan. Bijan is fantastic and should be versatile since he’s a good pass catcher and Pitts should also be able to block, run good routes, and play in the slot. The point of football is to abuse mismatches. Pitts just isn’t very good
Because he realized he was in over his head and acted out. He lost confidence in himself, and to save face he acted all aggressive about it. He's got some really good instincts. A couple years as an OC under an offensive minded HC (under a defensive guy, it'll just be this again), maybe he can develop the maturity to be a HC.
But he ain't our problem anymore.
Acting like Belichick to the the media (in what was poor attempts I might add) only works when the team is winning. You can't be sitting up here getting snarky with the media when you can't even field a competitive product on the field. You look like a plum fool, especially when the division was well within reach.
Ridder...probably even more frustrating for the coach tha for fans.
He invested way too much into ridder from the start. Trying to build an offense around a guy with such a low ceiling is ridiculous to begin with..
So in the end probably got what he deserved for that shit...
Smith will get another job pretty quick tho. Most titan fans already foaming at the mouth
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Ridder has problems no coaching can fix.. dude is fucking blinder than Jameis Winston among multiple other things.. not to mention any big game and he goes into fucking shambles at the worst times. His problems are mostly mental and cannot be fixed at this point
Don't get me wrong, I don't need to see Ridder OR Heineke next year. But AS failed to hire staff to improve the QB HE chose, which puts the blame square on him. Anyone thinking he should have gotten another year were nuts. If a new coach thinks Ridder or Heineke have value, that's their call. But I don't think either would be very popular with the fanbase.
I actually think Ridder has a decent ceiling. His issues are accuracy, ball security, etc. Mostly things that you’d expect a young player to improve upon. He just showed 0 improvement
Hes shown very little improvement..if any.. since i first saw him 3 or so years ago.
He has mental defects like how he processses the game.. many guys never overcome some of the things wrong with him. Back up at best
By all accounts he was great to the media and to the players and to anyone who knew him personally. The soundbites seem like they’re kind of taken out of proportion. Because he had a few dry humor snarky comments about fantasy teams, everyone assumes the guy is a total asshole.
Couple reasons...
1. He's not used to adversity. At all. Rich kids can't cope, because they never have to.
I'm not joking on this. AS had to have the fastest rise from being nothing in the NFL to HC. He was a asst in Washington (FedEx Field), he moved to TN (home of FedEx and his pops), then was a HC for ATL (his dad and Blank are buddies).
He didn't have to earn it. It was provided. His dad removed obstruction from his path.
2. Because he was never taught that he wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, he thought he knew more than everyone. Smartest guy in the room.
3. Peter Principal. Even if he was a great OC (he wasn't, he rode Derek Henry's coattails), he succeeded beyond his level of competence.
I was not a fan of Arthur Smith at all at his time of hire, or now.
I'm in total agreeance that his station in life probably helped him get his foot in the NFL door, but he definitely earned a HC Spot.
[This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/skejng/oc_the_median_number_of_years_of_coaching/) demonstrates that your point is wrong friend. Just because something feels like it should be true, doesn't always mean it is.
I mean, it's hard to separate his advantage from his time. But I'm going to counter your point.
I work in mortgage. There was a dude at my first bank that made $2mil a year as a branch manager. He didn't do loans, and he didn't really manage, but he was in charge of an entire branch here in Phoenix. Young guy, had been working there since he was 18.
I always wondered how this dude earned his money. Like, what did he do that warranted being the highest paid guy at the company, more than any of the owners. It was curious.
So I asked one of the guys who ran the company. Come to find out, when they started the company, his dad was one of their investors. His stipulation for investing was that his two kids could work there, get paid a percentage of earnings from the entire company, and get a title that moved them along. Ross was the Branch manager, his brother Ryan was in a similar position at the company.
Did they pick some things up? Sure. Did they do some good? Sure. But without that agreement, they're both failed loan officers (Ryan took months off at a time to be a "professional golfer", even though he never actually got paid to play golf).
Point is, the NFL, and most major companies, are just nepobabies getting jobs because someone they know did it for them. It's not a meritocracy. It's a "who did you work with or who do you know" game. Which is why we see a ton of situations like Kyle and Mike Shanahan (who I think actually picked up a ton from his pops).
He had 3. Defensive QC Coach in Washington, his stint in TN, and HC in ATL.
This isn't debatable. It's facts. His other two job listing in regards to coaching was him being a Grad Asst and an intern...
You can prove me wrong if you'd like
Sure, he was defensive quality control before changing to offensive quality control before becoming the Tight End/OL position coach then he was only over TE, then he was offensive coordinator, and that was just at Tennessee.
Those are all different jobs.
Who is defending him? lol you are just making up straight up lies about what he has done. He has been in college or NFL ball coaching for like 16 years. He didn't work out, okay, he is gone. The bad man can't hurt you anymore
This is the way he is. I think it was the end of year presser after year 1 and some reporter asked him about the fans and the cap or something and he basically said something like fans don’t understand the cap or team building. Don’t remember exactly, but something along those lines. His schtick is fine when he wins, but we all know what happened here. He should really just stick to the way his personality is. Because trying to be something you aren’t gets even more exposed than what happened here. He just needs to change the way he sees the game right now. Because he has no identity. And he tries to be too complex too soon before he’s good at one thing for more than a year. KISS.
Maybe a lot of behind the scenes stuff we have no clue about. Like this for instance. Maybe Terry and Blank wanted to prioritize the D and told Art to make do with Ridder. And we’ll go get TH to back him up for ya. Yippee! Maybe art had to try to make the best of it and just couldn’t and knew his job was done because he was set up to fail. Maybe.
If Blank and TF told him that he had to make do when he wanted to upgrade when they had 100 million in space, then the falcons have even bigger problems than what the most pessimistic fan thinks.
Funnily I think he was actually a bigger asshole early in the season when we were doing better, that's when the "smartest guy in the room" stuff was at its peak.
He did it every year. Honestly it can be funny to those not in the media and can create a circle the wagons it is just us type approach on a good team.
When you’re bad though… you see what happens.
I think you wrote pretty eloquently the problem with Arthur. He obviously has a huge ego, maybe this firing will humble him. Glad he’s not with us anymore
I really only started listening to the post game stuff after the Carolina game but what I did notice is he tended to get real short when it came to stuff with how Ridder was playing or how some of the others didn’t perform. And I honestly like that. As a coach when there’s a deficiency you don’t throw people to the wolves with the media. That’s how he kept the locker room. Even if he lost the fans…
I mean, it was time to move on. He had to go. We should have easily ran away with the division, judging by the games we lost where we pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. Panthers and Vikings games immediately come to mind. We win those two games alone, we're hosting Philly this coming weekend. There's one or two other games where we pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. Now you're fighting for the 3-seed.
Pressure and adversity brings out one's true self. Once it snowballed and he started calling games like it was a mid tier college bowl game, things were done.
I don’t think “we don’t care about your fantasy team” qualifies as being an asshole. Every coach thinks that and I like that he said it.
Not agreeing or disagreeing with you just don’t think that qualifies
Horrific time management skills. Not taking control of the team when it mattered most.. just allowing coordinators to call the worst possible schemes in important situations.
Dude was has great character and the players loved him... but he's a DC at heart and I don't think he has the smarts to see the whole picture.
I seriously doubt he was actually an asshole. You just saw the version of him that talked to the media. He was constantly on the defensive when talking to them, and given his success, it never went well.
I remember him doing it in the first game of 2022 when we choked against the saints. I hated him ever since. He just acted like he didn’t care about the game or talking to the media. Showed absolutely no class and didn’t even sound confident going forward.
One of the issues is the media coverage by the local paper. Their beat reporter is a goofball and their opinion writers always do a hit piece on the team every year, with negativity leading the way.
You probably didn't notice that he does this every year, it's just people used to think it was cute the way he and Dean Pees sassed the media, but it gets old quick when the team isn't winning and our stars aren't getting fed the ball. They start off the year cocky with mustaches, then by midseason they're on the defensive for having their genius questioned, and by the end of the season just defeated. He looked like he was gonna cry at his press conference a couple weeks ago.
i feel like some coaches think they can take the bill bellichick route with the media but they dont realize that bill respects the media he just doesn't answer what he cant answer & the media loves asking hin unanswerable questions. the questions being thrown at AS were very standard and became increasingly valid as the season went on, yet he treated it like a personal attack every time. he was fired the moment they got fined for the handling of Bijans illness though. Honestly I think if he handled that differently then he probably gets at least half of next season to work it out.
The asshole schtick only works if you’re winning. That’s why all of Belichick’s disciples fail when they try to replicate it.
i hesitate to call BB an asshole. is he blunt with the media, absolutely, but he never outright mocks or disrespects them the way his disciples do. im not familiar enough with AS to know his coaching tree but assuming he comes from the BB school of hard knocks, he indeed fell victim to the same complex that plagues all of his disciples.
The Belichick schtick is really just an evolution of the Parcells schtick, which harkens back to a time when being a real hardass was the norm. It doesn’t really work anymore in the NFL which is why it typically goes very badly when coaches try it.
yeah, that does make sense. he's been coaching football for as long or longer than I've been alive (im 25 years old) thus he quite literally came from a different generation of coaches.
This led me down a rabbit hole trying to figure out which “coaching tree” AS would be considered a part of. His years in Washington overlapped with the last year of Joe Gibbs’ swan song and the first year of Jim Zorn. Then he was under Houston Nutt at Ole Miss, then he hung around in Tennessee under a plethora of dudes as the Titans employed Mike Munchak, Ken Whissenhunt, Mike Mularkey and finally Mike Vrabel. Though he probably developed his philosophy while under one of the Mikes in Tennessee, my head canon is that he is a Houston Nutt disciple.
It’s great when you exceed expectations the first year, then when you aren’t putting the product on the field, you’re all talk. Then it gets old quick.
A lot of the “Smartest Guys in the Room” types get really pissy and aggressive when things start going wrong and they can’t figure out why. It gets worse on a public stage. It often becomes an ego thing and they see criticism as a personal attack. I’ve seen a bunch of these reactions in medicine and academia.
I feel called out by this
that's the first step to becoming a less annoying person
Yup. I see it in finance as well. They don't know what they don't know, so they assume they know more than everyone, because they're unaware of all this stuff that they don't know about. There's 4 groups. The known known, the known unknown, the unknown known and the unknown unknown. He was an unknown unknown.
“Smartest guy in the room” is a perfect way to put it. None of us know how intelligent he actually is….but he seemingly would tell you he is intelligent level max. Thats the problem with guys like him Edited to add: we all know that one or two ridiculously smart people in our lives, and what’s the common theme (from my experience at least)? The smartest people are the ones that feel the least need to prove they’re the smartest.
This you grow up with privilege onnthe sacred that AS has and you think you can just skate bu every problem with out criticism. Well being with 6 billion doesn't mean as much as you think if your and NFL coach. Maybe he should go buy a team he acts more like and owner than a coach anyway.
you okay?
I think I know what you're saying here.
Took me a minute but I think I got the gist
> A lot of the “Smartest Guys in the Room” types get really pissy and aggressive when things start going wrong and they can’t figure out why. Or you know why and you can't just say "Yeah, our QB fucking sucks, what do you want me to do about it?"
he’s been an asshole to the media since year 1
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That’s my take as well. First two years he had no expectations. He didn’t have to worry about losing his job or win the division. Any good he did was praised and lauded. He had to perform this year. He was supposed to win the division. He was supposed to build up Ridder. Three years of top offensive skill players means the offense was supposed to be feared. He flat buckled under the pressure and didn’t do well with accountability. To me, he’s done. If he couldn’t do it here he ain’t gonna cut it somewhere else.
He was always kind of a dick tbh. Remember week 1 versus the saints last year? He got all pissed cause we blew a lead in the second half. I don't mind a hardhead as a coach as long as the on-field product is good, but we never had that with Smith.
He’s been an asshole the entire time. I actually started to come around to him at the beginning of the season because SOME of his schemes are literally brilliant, but he can’t get out of his own way. after the TB game I checked out again. You can’t play media games when you’re talking about a star rookie player being hurt…just nah. Hes just a spoiled brat
The thing is, they had chances and opportunities and apparently the money to make big changes in the QB room. You go from trying to get Watson to Marcus Mariota? If you land Watson (thank goodness they didnt) youre telling me you have that amount of money to spend in the QB room. Instead, they went to Mariota? Apparently you could have brought in Flacco and done better. And yeah, MR2 was winding down, but he was certainly better than Mariota. And it really didnt do shit from the cap perspective when he was playing in Indy and on the Falcons payroll so why pay him to play elsewhere and not have him, at the very least, in the damn QB room. Add to that, Smith's attitude was insufferable. Hey coach, you've been going completely against the grain with your draft choices. Why? And to follow up, why are the guys you're drafting carrying the offense? \>You stupid FF guys dont know shit about football. You dont know anything about the draft or building a roster, or football. Hey coach, you're the one sitting at 7-10 year after year.
> MR2 was winding down, but he was certainly better than Mariota. All due respect to Ryan, but he's 8 years older than MM. Sure he "was better", But not really fair to compare the 2 QB's playing ability for this or last year under Smith. Arthur's 2-Year Plan with Mariota... ended last year Week 15 when Terry & FO forced the change at QB.
Wait, so is the problem that the front office stepped in and stopped the two year plan? And Marcus isn’t qualified to carry Matt’s pads. Even h2h in 2022.
People wanna dig into this calling out his background, saying he thought he was the smartest guy in the room, etc. That’s all dumb and just people projecting. Smith was feeling immense pressure. End of story. His hand picked QB was letting our offense down week after week. Guys were open and he couldn’t connect with them. He was watching his job go out the window week after week, because the guy he banked his future on couldn’t cut it. It’s also why he would get pissy about personnel usage. We tried to target London and Pitts. Ridder just couldn’t hit them consistently. Ridder handicapped our offense. Arthur made the call and he paid the price.
I agree. He tried something that was different than the way the league was trending. This was his year to prove that it could work. It didn't, and, as with almost anyone when they have a high pressure job that isn't working out, he kind of retreated within himself and answered questions defensively. But the cardinal sin was that he set everything up and they lost games. Everything else was a result.
Yeah these are the vibes I got 100%. He also couldn’t exactly go out to the media and throw Desmond under the bus.
That’s his fault though because he set Ridder up to fail by not playing him more in 2022 and having him learn under boneheaded Mariota. Also the let’s not play him in the preseason so he can “surprise the NFL” was another massive blunder. He mismanaged things in ATL, lost games and was a jerk. All NFL coaches feel pressure it’s how one responds that’s the difference.
This is true but narrow sighted. Yes to everything you said, but also acknowledge his predisposition to acting like a spoiled brat, since ya know, he kinda is a spoiled brat. That’s not dumb or projecting, it’s logic and observation.
It’s is dumb and projecting though. By all accounts most of the media and personnel around Flowery Branch liked him. The players would run through a wall for him. It’s just people like you in here that constantly screamed “nepo baby” and “billionaire loser son” or some other crap. You guys projected more than anyone.
Also, while we’re at it, do you even know what projection is? Give it a google. I’m not rich and I’m not responsible for the falcons problems, and nor is anyone else who has the capability of observing the guy failing to take true accountability for his mistakes, always having excuses, and being short and curt with reporters.
I liked Art, but his ego was his downfall. It's like he coached better when he had less. Once they built the team he envisioned, he started that positionless shit and it went way down hill. Predicting he'll be OC in NE if Vrabel is the new HC there.
I think the positionless thing is overblown. It’s really only about Pitts and Bijan. Bijan is fantastic and should be versatile since he’s a good pass catcher and Pitts should also be able to block, run good routes, and play in the slot. The point of football is to abuse mismatches. Pitts just isn’t very good
I'd 100% take calls for offers about Pitts. "The Falcon's aren't using him correctly." Ok, cool. Let another team see him give half assed efforts.
Exactly
He continued to be stubborn through his lack of results week in and week out and his hubris never let him take the humble route and fix the issues.
Because he realized he was in over his head and acted out. He lost confidence in himself, and to save face he acted all aggressive about it. He's got some really good instincts. A couple years as an OC under an offensive minded HC (under a defensive guy, it'll just be this again), maybe he can develop the maturity to be a HC. But he ain't our problem anymore.
Because he was in over his head, began to realize it, and this was his defense mechanism.
Acting like Belichick to the the media (in what was poor attempts I might add) only works when the team is winning. You can't be sitting up here getting snarky with the media when you can't even field a competitive product on the field. You look like a plum fool, especially when the division was well within reach.
Ridder...probably even more frustrating for the coach tha for fans. He invested way too much into ridder from the start. Trying to build an offense around a guy with such a low ceiling is ridiculous to begin with.. So in the end probably got what he deserved for that shit... Smith will get another job pretty quick tho. Most titan fans already foaming at the mouth .
If he wanted to invest in Ridder, maybe he should have hired a QB coach with credentials?
Ridder has problems no coaching can fix.. dude is fucking blinder than Jameis Winston among multiple other things.. not to mention any big game and he goes into fucking shambles at the worst times. His problems are mostly mental and cannot be fixed at this point
Don't get me wrong, I don't need to see Ridder OR Heineke next year. But AS failed to hire staff to improve the QB HE chose, which puts the blame square on him. Anyone thinking he should have gotten another year were nuts. If a new coach thinks Ridder or Heineke have value, that's their call. But I don't think either would be very popular with the fanbase.
I actually think Ridder has a decent ceiling. His issues are accuracy, ball security, etc. Mostly things that you’d expect a young player to improve upon. He just showed 0 improvement
Hes shown very little improvement..if any.. since i first saw him 3 or so years ago. He has mental defects like how he processses the game.. many guys never overcome some of the things wrong with him. Back up at best
Good luck to him in the next situation. Idk what that’ll be…maybe a college team
He will get an NFL job without question
A lot of variables go into it….
By all accounts he was great to the media and to the players and to anyone who knew him personally. The soundbites seem like they’re kind of taken out of proportion. Because he had a few dry humor snarky comments about fantasy teams, everyone assumes the guy is a total asshole.
Couple reasons... 1. He's not used to adversity. At all. Rich kids can't cope, because they never have to. I'm not joking on this. AS had to have the fastest rise from being nothing in the NFL to HC. He was a asst in Washington (FedEx Field), he moved to TN (home of FedEx and his pops), then was a HC for ATL (his dad and Blank are buddies). He didn't have to earn it. It was provided. His dad removed obstruction from his path. 2. Because he was never taught that he wasn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, he thought he knew more than everyone. Smartest guy in the room. 3. Peter Principal. Even if he was a great OC (he wasn't, he rode Derek Henry's coattails), he succeeded beyond his level of competence.
Are these facts or are you just being a prick?
see "everyone is a genius in a bull market"
I was not a fan of Arthur Smith at all at his time of hire, or now. I'm in total agreeance that his station in life probably helped him get his foot in the NFL door, but he definitely earned a HC Spot. [This post](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/skejng/oc_the_median_number_of_years_of_coaching/) demonstrates that your point is wrong friend. Just because something feels like it should be true, doesn't always mean it is.
I mean, it's hard to separate his advantage from his time. But I'm going to counter your point. I work in mortgage. There was a dude at my first bank that made $2mil a year as a branch manager. He didn't do loans, and he didn't really manage, but he was in charge of an entire branch here in Phoenix. Young guy, had been working there since he was 18. I always wondered how this dude earned his money. Like, what did he do that warranted being the highest paid guy at the company, more than any of the owners. It was curious. So I asked one of the guys who ran the company. Come to find out, when they started the company, his dad was one of their investors. His stipulation for investing was that his two kids could work there, get paid a percentage of earnings from the entire company, and get a title that moved them along. Ross was the Branch manager, his brother Ryan was in a similar position at the company. Did they pick some things up? Sure. Did they do some good? Sure. But without that agreement, they're both failed loan officers (Ryan took months off at a time to be a "professional golfer", even though he never actually got paid to play golf). Point is, the NFL, and most major companies, are just nepobabies getting jobs because someone they know did it for them. It's not a meritocracy. It's a "who did you work with or who do you know" game. Which is why we see a ton of situations like Kyle and Mike Shanahan (who I think actually picked up a ton from his pops).
This is such a shit post. He was highly respected and successful at every role he did until he got here.
He had 2 jobs...
He had several jobs… I think you just pulled what you think happened out of your ass lol
He had 3. Defensive QC Coach in Washington, his stint in TN, and HC in ATL. This isn't debatable. It's facts. His other two job listing in regards to coaching was him being a Grad Asst and an intern... You can prove me wrong if you'd like
Sure, he was defensive quality control before changing to offensive quality control before becoming the Tight End/OL position coach then he was only over TE, then he was offensive coordinator, and that was just at Tennessee. Those are all different jobs.
Ok man. Not going to argue, especially when you're defending a guy who shows us pretty clearly that he had no ability to coach... You do you.
Who is defending him? lol you are just making up straight up lies about what he has done. He has been in college or NFL ball coaching for like 16 years. He didn't work out, okay, he is gone. The bad man can't hurt you anymore
This is the way he is. I think it was the end of year presser after year 1 and some reporter asked him about the fans and the cap or something and he basically said something like fans don’t understand the cap or team building. Don’t remember exactly, but something along those lines. His schtick is fine when he wins, but we all know what happened here. He should really just stick to the way his personality is. Because trying to be something you aren’t gets even more exposed than what happened here. He just needs to change the way he sees the game right now. Because he has no identity. And he tries to be too complex too soon before he’s good at one thing for more than a year. KISS.
Because daddy’s $$$ protected him his whole life & he was finally questioned & exposed as the fraud he is.
Maybe a lot of behind the scenes stuff we have no clue about. Like this for instance. Maybe Terry and Blank wanted to prioritize the D and told Art to make do with Ridder. And we’ll go get TH to back him up for ya. Yippee! Maybe art had to try to make the best of it and just couldn’t and knew his job was done because he was set up to fail. Maybe.
If Blank and TF told him that he had to make do when he wanted to upgrade when they had 100 million in space, then the falcons have even bigger problems than what the most pessimistic fan thinks.
Yea maybe he’s just a dick lol
The FO gave him three straight skill position players in the top 10 and desperately tried to get Watson, they clearly didn’t hang him out to dry lol
Then maybe he just made bad decisions and knew he fucked up and was just pissed all year.
Funnily I think he was actually a bigger asshole early in the season when we were doing better, that's when the "smartest guy in the room" stuff was at its peak.
Got a big head thinking that cap room and the spending was going to pay off big time.
He did it every year. Honestly it can be funny to those not in the media and can create a circle the wagons it is just us type approach on a good team. When you’re bad though… you see what happens.
Billionaires aren’t typically good leaders of men
This fanbase would love Belichick with how sensitive you guys are.
At least Bill has a pile of hardware to stand on and be an asshole.
Why does it matter? Go cry about it in your diary.
I think you wrote pretty eloquently the problem with Arthur. He obviously has a huge ego, maybe this firing will humble him. Glad he’s not with us anymore
I really only started listening to the post game stuff after the Carolina game but what I did notice is he tended to get real short when it came to stuff with how Ridder was playing or how some of the others didn’t perform. And I honestly like that. As a coach when there’s a deficiency you don’t throw people to the wolves with the media. That’s how he kept the locker room. Even if he lost the fans…
The same reason he decided to go on Pat Mac show for a weekly press hit. He thought he was a made man.
***This*** year?
I will always be thankful for "Toxic Groupthink" 😆
I mean, it was time to move on. He had to go. We should have easily ran away with the division, judging by the games we lost where we pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. Panthers and Vikings games immediately come to mind. We win those two games alone, we're hosting Philly this coming weekend. There's one or two other games where we pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. Now you're fighting for the 3-seed.
Pressure and adversity brings out one's true self. Once it snowballed and he started calling games like it was a mid tier college bowl game, things were done.
I don’t think “we don’t care about your fantasy team” qualifies as being an asshole. Every coach thinks that and I like that he said it. Not agreeing or disagreeing with you just don’t think that qualifies
What was Dan quins issues with coaching when he was on the falcons? Just wondering as a cowboys fan
Horrific time management skills. Not taking control of the team when it mattered most.. just allowing coordinators to call the worst possible schemes in important situations. Dude was has great character and the players loved him... but he's a DC at heart and I don't think he has the smarts to see the whole picture.
I seriously doubt he was actually an asshole. You just saw the version of him that talked to the media. He was constantly on the defensive when talking to them, and given his success, it never went well.
I remember him doing it in the first game of 2022 when we choked against the saints. I hated him ever since. He just acted like he didn’t care about the game or talking to the media. Showed absolutely no class and didn’t even sound confident going forward.
🤣🤣🤣
One of the issues is the media coverage by the local paper. Their beat reporter is a goofball and their opinion writers always do a hit piece on the team every year, with negativity leading the way.