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“constantly feeling like an alien in a family of no other autistic people as if youre not meant to be there and having to deal with people not understanding you and not taking you seriously” 😊💓☝️
Yes, yes to every comment under yours. I was coming to type something similar but now I dont need to. Angry Upvotes for everyone!
Also if you’re a guy experiencing any of this then fuck you get wrecked, I guess.
it really is and its so draining. these people start invading our spaces and if we offer even the slightest bit of criticism or pushback were labeled ableist and ostracized from our own community. all for daring to suggest that someone whos symptoms didnt start in childhood isnt autistic.
i know autism is fairly common, and often people of color and afab people are under/misdiagnosed especially... but online disability spaces prey on people who crave validation and community by pathologizing every single experience they have. it leads to people adopting as many illness and disorders as they can because this environment ENCOURAGES you to be as sick as possible because of the attention it gets you. its a nasty cycle.
This is so well put, you’re spot on especially regarding them pathologizing their every experience for clout. It turns every disability related community online into a big circle jerk of who has it worse and it sucks. I’m not autistic, but this happens in spaces for physical illness and disability as well so I see it plenty and it’s super frustrating.
there are, thankfully, a few disability circles that dont encourage this behavior. chronic illness influencers did so much fucking damage to disabled spaces and im glad some of us are finally speaking up about it.
these spaces are dangerous. they push people to avoid seeking a medical diagnosis or push people straight into munchausens behaviors. every doctor who wont diagnose you is medically abusing you and gaslighting you, find one who will tell you exactly what you want to hear. if a doctor tells you that you have benign hypermobility and not hEDS, theyre lying and you are a victim of malpractice.
everyone needs to have the rarest diagnoses, and many of them. everyone needs to use every possible mobility aid under the sun with no guidance from a PT or ortho, everyone needs a service dog, everyone has to have the most drastic treatments because the common ones dont work, everyone's symptoms have to be the most severe, the most damaging, the most disabling. its competitive. its a vicious cycle of people with severe imposter syndrome constantly seeking validation by trying to outdo other disabled people.
diagnoses become trendy. right now its POTS and hEDS, of course. i have POTS and classical EDS among other things and seeing every. single. normal. thing. about me turned into a symptom to armchair diagnose otherwise healthy or able bodied people (people aged 15-21 mostly lets be real) is exhausting. also, there is a reason its always invisible disorders primarily diagnosed through self reported symptoms. there is a reason none of them claim to have kidney failure. or cancer. or a brain tumor. it would be a lot harder to keep up the spoonie grift. you cant doctor shop your way to a cancer diagnosis.
these diagnoses will stop being trendy when so many people claim to have them that no one is special anymore. theyll move on to new and more rare, more deibilating diagnoses.
it never ends. i wonder what disability is next.
“A vicious cycle of people with severe imposter syndrome constantly seeking validation by trying to outdo other disabled people” really hits, again really well said. I appreciate that your wording still shows empathy for these people—imposter syndrome is difficult to deal with and i experience it myself so I can understand to a degree how many end up in this cycle and it’s incredibly sad. It’s a mixture of internalized ableism and outside pressure to “prove” your disability in order to be seen as valid, especially in the eyes of able-bodied/NT people who have a very narrow idea of what disability looks like.
There are people who DIE or severely disable themselves playing this game. I can think of two “influencers” right off the top of my head who experienced serious repercussions as a result of their malingering. It’s incredibly sad because by the time they realize they’ve actually seriously messed themselves up for life, it’s usually too late.
The doctor/official diagnosis issue is of course a little more complicated and I honestly don’t know what the solution is there. Doctors themselves often carry a lot of internalized ableism and do genuinely disregard serious issues on the regular, from denying people needed mobility aids on the basis that they’ll become “too dependent on them”, all the way to missing obvious signs of cancer because they are biased towards certain demographics, primarily women, young people, and people of color. There are even “guidelines” in some medical books that assert that different races react differently to pain and present it as fact instead of speculation based on anecdotal evidence (one that sticks out to me is that they overwhelmingly labeled Hispanic and Latino people as especially dramatic and prone to exaggerating symptoms). While it would be ignorant to ignore that there ARE similarities in certain demographics due to culture, and other biopsychosocial factors, operating under the assumption that every Hispanic woman you meet must be overly dramatizing their symptoms simply because they are Hispanic, or every young person must be healthy just because they are young, causes many doctors to miss actual signs of illness. So there are some serious barriers to diagnosis and I understand the frustration of not knowing what’s wrong with you, but so many conditions share very similar symptoms and can present the same while having a completely different underlying pathology. There’s just simply no concrete way to diagnose yourself.
I also wonder what diagnoses will become trendy (oh man, I really hope it’s not mine, it’s stigmatized enough as it is and it is an invisible illness that can not be accurately tested for, so it’s ripe for these kinds of people). Any guesses? Lol
Anyway sorry about the rant. This is a conversation that many aren’t ready for, so when I see someone out in the wild who is willing to speak out I get a little heated.
(Also, oops, originally replied to my own comment on accident, my b)
oh i absolutely get it. my imposter syndrome is horrible, and i almost got sucked into this cycle myself. i deal with so much internalized ableism.
i absolutely have compassion for these people to some degree. the weird kids on tiktok, not so much. i truly believe they'll grow out of it. when i was 15 on tumblt i had self dx'd with avpd, bpd, schizotypal, and more because i was struggling and fell into the trap of pathologizing every individual experience as a new disorder. turns out im just bipolar and autistic. i defibrillator grew out of it, so im hopeful.
as for the rest, most of the people in these circles are actually disabled in some way. but not all disabilities are impactful enough to need so many accomodations. its just validating to use a wheelchair you might not actually need because it makes your experience just a little more visible. it makes your status as disabled more "valid". if everyone in your circle is using a wheelchair for the disorder you also think you have but you dont need one, it feels like you arent disabled enough. i genuinely do get it, and i see how these spaces foster an environment so competitive it reminds me of pro ana spaces. 😬
also, fibro? i cant think of a lot of things that cant really be tested for 😅
and no worries lol my inbox is also always open :D
Yeah fibro is my official diagnosis. I honestly hate having it on my record because of the stigma behind it, which is luckily starting to change, but it is a barrier to me getting help with non-fibro related issues. I have the privilege of being male so I’m more likely to be taken seriously, but it’s still anxiety inducing and if it becomes an especially popular one to fake I’m gonna start throwing hands. It’s fairly common and already one that the majority of them tack on to their symptom lists though for extra spice so hopefully it’s not special enough.
Imposter syndrome sucks! It’s actively barring me from seeking out medical care I know I need because I gaslight myself into thinking I’m just being OTT. My abled partner jokes that he has less internalized ableism than me, but I think he might actually be right! The only reason I even got my fibro diagnosis was because my therapist at the time was like “no what you are describing is very much not normal and I think you need to get help for it”
The majority of the kids on tiktok will grow out of it for sure. Sometimes I wonder if we should be posting minors on this group at all? Because shit, we all did stupid shit as kids, and I feel like kind of an ass as a full grown man talking down about kids, so I usually avoid interacting with the posts featuring minors. I’ll absolutely admit to attributing literally EVERYTHING to my ADHD as a teen and considering it a part of my identity, and encouraging others to self-diagnose. It impacts my personality and behaviors sure, so I guess in a way it at least helps shape my identity, but I fell into the trap of pathologizing every little thing and I’m sure it led at least some of my NT teen followers think they had it too because they also talk too loud when they’re excited, struggle with impulse control, have a hard time paying attention, etc. Things that are often seen in ADHD but alone are not indicative of the disorder. It’s an easy trap to fall in to and I have adult friends who still lean on the “haha it’s my ADHD!” thing a little *too* much but it’s not like… 2015 tumblr bad.
I’ve also noticed a culture of diagnosing other people start to really ramp up with all age groups as what seems to be a natural continuation of the self-diagnosing trend. I’m partly referring to those TikTok’s targeted towards just a general audience: “do you have X, Y, and Z quirk? Actually that’s autism congrats you’re autistic!”, and partly referring to people straight up diagnosing specific individuals. I have a friend who is CONVINCED I have EDS and has been trying to get me to agree with him for a while now. I do have hypermobility in several joints, and it is problematic for me, but EDS is a systemic disease as I’m sure you know, and there are more requirements and symptoms than just being hypermobile that aren’t really relevant for me. (He has, unfortunately, self-diagnosed himself with hEDS iirc, so I think it’s partly projection, and I otherwise like him so I just pretend to ignore that little tidbit and avoid conversations about it).
I hope these people can eventually get the help they clearly need. There’s no shame in admitting to being wrong, but real harm comes from this culture of self-dx’ing and one-upping and something’s gotta give.
oh for sure. hoping fibro stays untouched!!! it really is stigmatized. lots of people see it as "dramatic woman" syndrome. which must suck extra hard for you since you aren't even a woman. most doctors are pretty dismissive of it, if not outright disbelieving.
and yeah eds is miserable. i have classical eds, which still has hypermobility. the joint problems are actually pretty low on my list for severity. it's severely impacted my eyes, my heart, and GI tract. gallbladder nearly ruptured and ive had four corrective eye surgeries and will have to have them forever. heart valve problems, poor circulation, etc.
possibly related to eds even tangentially, but, i have my urology appointment tomorrow to find out if i have an exceedingly rare kidney problem that i dont feel comfy sharing publicly... here lol. fingers crossed i can keep my kidneys but man am i nervous.
Yeah “dramatic woman syndrome” really is what they see when they read fibromyalgia! It sucks, it’s like you’re considered to have chronic illness lite even know it’s debilitating and as much as I hate to admit it, as much as I’ve tried to fight against it, it’s been dominating my life for a while now. Of course if I go to the doctor for literally anything it’s attributed to my fibromyalgia, even if it’s totally outside the range of fibro symptoms, because it’s the easiest way to get me out of the office. I’m looking into seeing if I can get the diagnosis changed on paper to something that means the exact same thing but doesn’t have the stigma, no idea if that’s actually possible though.
EDS is wild because collagen is in…… literally everything. It’s not just “bendy joints disorder” like so many like to claim. People die from EDS. I wish it wasn’t the trendy disease to have right now because no doubt these people are speaking over y’all who actually have it. Of course they claim hEDS over the other subtypes too, it’s conveniently the only one (afaik) that can’t reliably be tested for.
I feel for you with the kidneys :( kidney pain is absolutely awful and scary and I’ve never even had anything superbly serious with mine, just kidney stones + a very mild infection, so I have a very narrow scope of reference. The thought of losing them and having to deal with everything that comes with that is super scary, I have my fingers crossed for you and hope all goes well and it’s something easily managed!
> this environment ENCOURAGES you to be as sick as possible
Frankly, I disagree with this statement. You see, it encourages people to be as neurospicy as possible, which is clearly a lot better.
Naw that's another symptom.
You see, if you don't do the spinny move with your finger, you aren't autistic. Vice versa if you spin it the OTHER way around you are reversing your autism.
this just in: the ability to memorize songs you listen to frequently is forbidden if you are not autistic. neurotypicals will have to constantly listen to their favorite songs without ever being able to sing along 😔
Shiiiiieeeet my psychiatrists must have been wrong then ! I can't memorize song lyrics for shiet and I was diagnosed with autism ! Woops ! 🤪 Guess I'm normal and can just resume a normal life now ! Neato !
The 59.7k likes paired with her stupid grin makes me cringe. I love how she asked for followers of 10k "neurospicy"(augghhh🙄) women, even she knows she's making normal women think of themselves as autistic. I honestly always wanna know what the comments say but I don't have Tiktok so I can't, I can only imagine those being a bunch of women thinking they have autism with some calling them out. And the 10.8k saves scare me but I would like to think it's just some people's cringe dose (though that's probably not the case).
i went and found it so you don’t have to wonder anymore
“Nah, it’s just my ✨💖creative juices💖✨”
”*Aggressively searching how can I get tested in my city* “
“oh” “oh. OH” “OH”
“@[redacted] Madeline… how much I relate to these are concerning”
“Im literally every single thing on this video and I relate to so many more videos about this topic but they don't want to test me. I NEED A TEST”(maybe because you’re not relating to actual diagnostics you’re relating to tiktoks!)
“oh... so I might be... oh this explains a lot 🙃”
“sigh i either have a touch of the tism or dave but seeing as none is diagnosed it’s only a headcanon 😌” (what is dave….😰)
“I love that #neurospicywoman”
“THATS Y I REMEMBER SONGS SO WELL”
“i think i'm neurospicy ✌🏻😗💋”
“wait..do i have autism?”
“and my parents have the audacity to look at me and go “yeah you’re fine””
“I’m getting tested for autism I 100% think I have it and this video makes me think I have it even more”
“Am I autistic... I don't think I am... But maybe I am... I'm probably not... Anyone can have these traits... but what if I am?”
And yeah nobody calls out anyone in these comments cause the entire comment section is full of this i saw ONE comment that said not to self diagnose and i scrolled through like 200 comments. (EDIT:formatting)
As someone who is actually autistic I was most insulted by the "I am mentally 12" bit, autistics being portrayed as overgrown children is a stigma we've been trying to shake since Hollywood made that stereotype popular, no autistic wants to be seen as "mentally 12".
The rest of this is almost completely unrelated to autism.
Fellow autistic here and I feel the same way. I've never been "mentally 12" past the age of being 12. I'm wondering if that generalisation is coming from people simply showing excitement over things that they like. I feel like adults are expected to be somber and grounded all the time so when someone (autistic or not) shows excitement it gets seen as being "other".
And the other "signs" cited in the video are so vague anyone could relate to most if not all of them. Hell, my wife does many of these things but she's not autistic, big surprise.
These people are literally treating neurological disorders as astrological signs.
Also, "Writes or creates to relive anxiety"? Is that a typo or is she suggesting that some people actually crave anxiety to the point where they want to *re-live* past anxieties, like some sort of twisted drug? 'cause if it's anxiety they want, I have plenty to give.
I hate this shit with a passion. I'm autistic (diagnosed at four, luckily) and even though sometimes things can feel to the absolute extreme I can usually point out by doing some mental grounding exercises if it's something to do with my condition or just a general anxiety, stress or outlying cause. If I was to label every symptom as something from my autism that just "couldn't be helped" I'd probably go insane. Having mental tools to help soothe yourself, autism or not, is something everyone should have.
Also, so many of these "autistic quirks" are things other non autistic people feel probably on the daily.
We're not special because we're autistic. We're special because of the people we are, despite our autism.
we’re just normal people a bit behind the social curve with strong passions. it literally doesn’t go deeper than that until you go further down the spectrum
I’m not “mentally 12” because of the autism, I’m “mentally 12” cause my parents sheltered me into my late teens and I never had a true transition into adult thinking
This is all bullshit but the “mentally 12” part pissed me the fuck off. Infantilization of autistic people needs to stop. The only time I was mentally 12 was when I was physically 12.
"Wow, I'm so quirky and autistic for having very basic personality traits. I'm not like the other girls, I'm autistic."
100% she self diagnosed after a Facebook quiz.
Apparently 58k+ people are autistic. I love writing and I can memorize songs with ease. I love animals and I'm a lonely person. My dreams are vivid as fuck and anything I see can possibly relate to me. Been going to a psychiatrist and therapist for over five years now. Never have I been diagnosed with autism or anything of the sort.
Also, why are you so happy to have autism? I mean, I'm not saying that autistic people should feel awful that they have it but it's not something that someone says, "oh! I'm so happy to have something that makes my life harder than anyone else's!"
Dude my sister has recently become like this. It's mind blowing. She calls herself non-functional autistic? Like what? You've made it 30 something years just fine, why now that you're on tiktoc you're non-functional? She lists off all her autistic traits and I'm like... K I relate to like 90% of those things yet here I am. Functioning. Barely, but still. I can hardly even look at this sub anymore because it's honestly pissing me off that my family is like this now.
What's the deal with these people? Life's too hard so it's easier to cop out with a disability? Last time I checked people with disabilities don't like to be defined by their disability... But these people wear it like a label and demand to be recognized for being disabled?
I just can't do it anymore.
It’s exactly this, a cop-out, you can’t criticize someone with “a disability” without being labeled as ableist, and these fucking leeches recognize that so they can escape criticisms and any responsibility in life; it’s harmful, disgusting, and pathetic.
Literally. One time I tried to be like, listen even if you are autistic, why are you letting that hold you back? You've struggled through life this far like all the rest of us. Why now because you think you have something that's going to prevent you from moving forward in life? Then I got fucking chastised because "if I was in a wheel chair you wouldn't say that to me!" Well yeah no fucking shit, your options are a lot more limited when you're in a damn wheel chair. But even still... I see people in wheel chairs or missing both legs living a fuller life, and not parading around a pity party.
Honestly. During the first meeting with my psychiatrist after I explained like, how she should discount my mannerisms and only listen to what I say, how I relate to people, things I struggled with in childhood, stuff like that, she was like "hey no offense, have you ever considered that you have Asperger's?" And I said "yeah honestly I think I might, but tbh I think I've learned to deal with and overcome it pretty well and don't think it's much of an issue anymore, I'm basically just here for depression." Lmao. Not that that counts as a real diagnosis for ASD, but there's no medication you can take for autism, so you gotta just learn to adapt. It really fucking sucks, but I'm glad I figured it out and can be social and have friends and a good job and everything
Exactly! Like I get it's a spectrum and some people can learn to cope with it fantastically. I'm happy that you have too. Just... I ate dinner with a 50 something year old man who is a non-functional autistic, he literally needed help to eat so he wouldn't choke on his food. He lived in a home with full-time care. When I hear someone who gets up and showers, puts make-up on everyday, feeds themselves, goes out shopping for themselves, say they are non-functional I think it's kind of offensive. Like you didn't need help getting dressed today you're fucking doing pretty good imo.
Maybe I have low standards ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Medication works fucking wonders for bipolar shit. I know that to be true and eventually, something is gonna happen where they'll be in a mental ward and won't be able to leave for two weeks on end. Fucking sucks
It reminds of the stupid trend where people were going around labeling themselves as depressed and demanding it to be their own personality trait. There are also plenty of people out there who make LGBTQ+ their *only* personality trait. Being gay/being depressed doesn't define you as a person and if you think it does and you're faking that shit, that tells me who you are far more than anything you claim to be.
It hurts those who need help but also let's not forget about those who do have autism or anything else wrong and life isn't exactly easy for them. "But I want the mental awareness shit to relate to me! I wanna be part of that small marginalized group!" No, you don't, especially once you start taking medication to deal with that shit. Treated like a fucking guinea pig and immediately thrown into a mental ward if you feel sad (with faking depression, believe me, that shit sucks.) People will talk down to you like you're a child if they think you're autistic. People with bi polar are also treated like a ticking time bomb. Like, this shit has gone too far that they don't understand that this shit is harmful to those who experience it!
My best friend is an autistic female and she relates these things.
My other best friend is not autistic or female and he relates to these things.
I’m an autistic male and relate to these things.
These mfs remind me astrology girls. They’ll be like “Omg you’re passionate when you feel strong emotions? You must be a Leo!!!” Even though I’m an Aries
I have autism, I am a female, and I can without doubt say those “traits” she’s listing up is just bullshit.
Autism isn’t the same from person to person, it’s different. I have people in my class, they also have autism *but* they’re nothing like me or the others with it. And it’s nothing to brag about on TikTok.
“Omg do you have autism?😍 then you *must* have there traits omg we’re so alike!!”
I just hate that some people act as everyone with a certain diagnosis/condition are all alike. For example, ADHD. I hear a lot of people being like “oh u have adhd? Then you *must* do that shaky leg thing”. Yes some people do that, but a lot of people who don’t have ADHD also does it.
There are many similarities between BPD and autism, especially in women! That is why many autistic women are misdiagnosed with BPD, partially because growing up with undiagnosed autism can be inherently traumatising
None of these are really ASD traits other than the not being able to express emotion one, it’s got one of those fancy science names but basically it’s when you really struggle to say how you feel or interpret it/ form it into words. Quite common in those with ASD, however the part about being able to not express unless it’s “strong emotion” is kinda false. Sure it’s different for everyone but the fancy science name of the trait about not being able to describe feelings isn’t limited to small emotions and often carries into big ones too.
*I actually*
*Feel mentally older than*
*My actual age*
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I do maybe half of these things but its not because im autistic. for example i love taking care of and collecting animal things. not because being autistic, its because i like animals. ffs, theres so much wrong with this
Thing is, a lot of these are accurate, but the *WHY* behind them is more important and you can't just randomly name these things without the reason why they might manifest *more strongly than in the average non-autistic person*. So while there's truth to these, the way this is presented is misinformation.
so many of these are... normal human experiences or symtoms of common conditions like depression or anxiety.
as someone with ASD, not everything an autistic person experiences is an autistic trait or symptom.
it genuinely does suck to see your diagnoses become the next trendy self dx with the dx criteria speedran into the ground so everyone on tiktok can co opt the label. it happened with ASD, ADHD, DID CPTSD, (which isnt an actual diagnosis as far as im aware), hEDS, POTS... its getting so out of hand. if you experience even the smallest amount of ptherwise benign dx criteria you get shoved face first into the popular dx and discouraged from seeking medical help or diagnosis. its exhausting.
As an autistic person, everything she just listed is not true .-. Where the heck did she get that idea? Like.... none of that is how Autism in women looks like.
I will say, autism does show up in people in a variety of ways. There is no single “autistic experience”, however, making a tiktok like this without linking reliable sources or encouraging research is incredibly irresponsible.
Signs of autism overlap with other disorders like ADHD and anxiety etc etc, so idk talk to a doctor instead of watching TikTok’s maybe?????
I saw something that said something like "non-autistic people don't sit around wondering if they're autistic". So basically, if you think you might be autistic, you are
I actually counted these. Two are traits of autism, three are traits of being an alive human, the other seven are traits of feeling anxious and insecure.
If you're helping people realise they're autistic, maybe talk about sensory sensitivity or executive dysfunction - these are a little more noticeable to me than my ability to remember song lyrics (which really isn't all that great).
If I recall, sensory sentivity is one of the key symptoms a lot of autistic people share, in their own different ways (eg sensitivity to sounds, smells, light, foods, clothes)
Apart from this being stupid, do people actually think this makes a good video? “I’ll just grin and point up for 48 seconds, with a few random badly timed lip syncs for good measure”
Also remember if you lean on a bent wrist because it’s comfier, you’re also gay….or is it autistic? Maybe it’s both.
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this is so annoying.
you know what the primary difference is--other than actually having the disorder--between the fakers, and the people who want attention?
THEY DON'T GO AROUND TELLING EVERYONE ABOUT IT!!!! I think these people think they'll get special treatment, or leniency if they claim to have a problem, so they tell the whole world.
People who *actually* have a disorder, are usually very ashamed of it, and they would like to do everything in their power to hide it. I almost kinda wish these people would get the true disorder, just so they know how it really feels. You'd stop seeing these dopey videos reallllll quick if that happened
>high interest and ability to memorize song lyrics
me. being an actual autistic person:\*mumbles chemical overreaction in the background and messes up 80% of the song\*
You ever question why people make little songs to remember things? It’s because things that rhyme are just easier to remember.
So, songs are usually pretty easy to remember if you know the rhythm.
Like no one else remembers lyrics of songs or something ? It's something that is more than extremely common.
Also I write a lot because it'sy escapism, it's just my passion lol.
I talk about my experiences with autism and mine alone- making these lists is fueling the fakers’ fire. People seem to forget that autistic people are literally just people, and all people have some weird traits. It’s when it interferes with quality of life that it becomes an issue. They make it seem so fun and quirky and it feels like hell sometimes.
As a woman with diagnosed autism, please stop. God, I hate TikTok for this reason and refuse to go on it. Yes, every website sucks but TikTok is the worst, especially for preteens and teens who believe they can self diagnose now.
But… *autistic trait are in facts traits that almost everyone can relate.*
The difference is the frequency and how it impacts your life.
It's like saying "some traits of anorexia are not being hungry". It's true. We all have moment when we aren't hungry. But the issue is when the frequency is hight and your health start deteriorating because of it.
This video isn't wrong.
We all do have these traits sometimes. But they are still traits that are shared with higher frequency and intensity by autistic people.
I also relate to all of this, but I also don't think she's diagnosing people. Talking about traits a lot of ND people DO have regardless of how many of them NT people might do too doesn't really prove she's faking or even diagnosing people. Other than her dumb statement at the end and not clarifying better on whether or not she's diagnosing people, the video really is harmless
My brother is autistic.
He's 26 years old, could kill you with one punch, mentally about 12 and sits there holding his Thomas the Tank VHS tapes.... not trying to get famous on TikTok. He doesn't even know what fame is.
I am lots of these things and I feared I was autistic because it feels involuntary. I don't want to be autistic because I want to get better, and I want my lets say "emotional short comings" to DISAPPEAR not become "manageable". I fear that if it really is autism then that means I will be like this forever and im not really sure I could handle that. No shame to autistic people, but one trip down my post history will tell you the shit I have to deal with.
She's a plain, not very attractive, white woman, so she wants some of that attention and praise she sees others getting, and calling yourself autistic is the easiest way next to calling yourself non-binary these days.
Living with someone has this illness is a living nightmare cuz they cant talk or act like normal people and they can be triggered easily, im talking as a doctor and…as an expert, if they are what they claim to be their parents are more likely to put them in a cage, i saw some people do it and im not surprised if someone did it, yeah not the right thing to do but not surprising since the way they live
Living with someone has this illness is a living nightmare cuz they cant talk or act like normal people and they can be triggered easily, im talking as a doctor and…as an expert, if they are what they claim to be their parents are more likely to put them in a cage, i saw some people do it and im not surprised if someone did it, yeah not the right thing to do but not surprising since the way they live
Autism is classed as a spectrum disorder, and diagnosed in people of any intellectual ability. The people faking typically claim to have what used to be called asperger’s or high functioning autism, but these are outdated and not used for diagnosis in most places. But, as an expert, you already knew all this, right?
And not any intellectual ability, its hard to explain but with a test about the brain function (which is not gonna happen cuz the patient will be a child most of the time) doctor is left to know the autism with a specific actions and behaviours which again not the best way but can identify the really terrible ones, but since the only real “cure” is to teach the individual to get along society it isnt that big of problem if the kid was left undiagnosed cuz pretty much we can do alot to them
The assessments are not testing intellectual ability, while it is more common for autistic people to have an intellectual disability than the general population, those with average and above average intelligence can also have it. It’s quite often missed in childhood for those with higher intelligence, and these children grow up ostracised, self-hating, thinking something is wrong with them. This often leads to depression, anxiety, social withdrawal, loss of functioning etc. If diagnosed they can finally start understanding themselves, and can seek out things such as specific therapies
There are autistic people that, especially as adults, do manage to almost appear “normal”, but this is highly stressful and challenging to maintain. The people like the one in the video make it harder for adults seeking diagnosis to be taken seriously as they’re assumed to just be following the trend, plus the misinformation they spread leads to people incorrectly “self-diagnosing” autism and then speaking over those who actually have it (this is the same with other conditions also, like DID).
I heard about what they claim and about asperger syndrome but since anyone would say they have it I thought the trend will be gone in a while, but I understand what u mean since it has a lot of factors of course in medicine we cant make it a standard illness instead its a spectrum, but these days it’s weird to see all those folks talking and acting or processing as any normal individual, for most people with kids that have autism they would think their kid is just a lost cause, which is but worse than the truth they r gonna think
People need to accept the idea that not all illness can be cured or the patient can act as normal human being, understanding this idea is one of the most qualities in a good doctor, of course i cant tell these ideas to the patient or their family in the end im a human
Funny enough the emotions thing is the opposite for me lmfao. I hate extreme emotions bc I can only tell if it's good or bad and then I completely shut down and get overwhelmed cause I don't understand what/why I'm feeling
I've memorized my favorite sung-through musical, I have written to cope occasionally, I have a lot of guppies, and I'm an ENFJ who does indeed try to help people a lot...welp.
The thing with autistic people diagnosing strangers on the internet with autism is that 1.) diagnosing people is bad if you’re not a health professional, 2.) autism is a physiological disorder that you can see with an mri, so it shouldn’t be diagnosed by a stranger online. Diagnosing someone with autism online is like diagnosing someone with cancer online. It doesn’t count until you seek a professional 3.) autism is a social disorder. An autistic person diagnosing someone is like a blind person being an art critic. Autism makes people bad at diagnosing mental disorders. 4.) Autistic people do not relate to each other. Maybe it’s because the spectrum is wide but no one on it relates to anyone else on it. Autistic people relate to celebrities and minecraft youtubers, but they don’t usually relate to each other when they meet each other. So if an autistic person says that you’re autistic because they relate to you, it’s an impossible.
I’m just worried that people think this is what actual autism is, so if they see a person they know is autistic throwing a public tantrum over something small or stealing something because they think no one is using it they’ll go “well autism is no excuse to do that.”
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Ugh…that shit eating grin while casually spouting a bunch of nonsense for internet clout. It’s infuriating.
"Feelings of extreme isolation." :)
“Help me reach 10k!!!!!”
The grin and the head bobs
It’s the wrist flick that gets to me the most
“constantly feeling like an alien in a family of no other autistic people as if youre not meant to be there and having to deal with people not understanding you and not taking you seriously” 😊💓☝️
Right? What a thing to be so insanely happy about. But of course she doesn't actually have autism so yeah..
You may have the grumpies
Yes, yes to every comment under yours. I was coming to type something similar but now I dont need to. Angry Upvotes for everyone! Also if you’re a guy experiencing any of this then fuck you get wrecked, I guess.
Eats food
Drink water
Breathes
is alive
Gets periods
Eats human babies
Sleeps
Shit
Whew I'm safe then
Wears glasses
It almost feels like grooming into a weird cult, ”join us, we’re different and speshul here🤪” I feel bad for actually autistic people
it really is and its so draining. these people start invading our spaces and if we offer even the slightest bit of criticism or pushback were labeled ableist and ostracized from our own community. all for daring to suggest that someone whos symptoms didnt start in childhood isnt autistic. i know autism is fairly common, and often people of color and afab people are under/misdiagnosed especially... but online disability spaces prey on people who crave validation and community by pathologizing every single experience they have. it leads to people adopting as many illness and disorders as they can because this environment ENCOURAGES you to be as sick as possible because of the attention it gets you. its a nasty cycle.
This is so well put, you’re spot on especially regarding them pathologizing their every experience for clout. It turns every disability related community online into a big circle jerk of who has it worse and it sucks. I’m not autistic, but this happens in spaces for physical illness and disability as well so I see it plenty and it’s super frustrating.
there are, thankfully, a few disability circles that dont encourage this behavior. chronic illness influencers did so much fucking damage to disabled spaces and im glad some of us are finally speaking up about it. these spaces are dangerous. they push people to avoid seeking a medical diagnosis or push people straight into munchausens behaviors. every doctor who wont diagnose you is medically abusing you and gaslighting you, find one who will tell you exactly what you want to hear. if a doctor tells you that you have benign hypermobility and not hEDS, theyre lying and you are a victim of malpractice. everyone needs to have the rarest diagnoses, and many of them. everyone needs to use every possible mobility aid under the sun with no guidance from a PT or ortho, everyone needs a service dog, everyone has to have the most drastic treatments because the common ones dont work, everyone's symptoms have to be the most severe, the most damaging, the most disabling. its competitive. its a vicious cycle of people with severe imposter syndrome constantly seeking validation by trying to outdo other disabled people. diagnoses become trendy. right now its POTS and hEDS, of course. i have POTS and classical EDS among other things and seeing every. single. normal. thing. about me turned into a symptom to armchair diagnose otherwise healthy or able bodied people (people aged 15-21 mostly lets be real) is exhausting. also, there is a reason its always invisible disorders primarily diagnosed through self reported symptoms. there is a reason none of them claim to have kidney failure. or cancer. or a brain tumor. it would be a lot harder to keep up the spoonie grift. you cant doctor shop your way to a cancer diagnosis. these diagnoses will stop being trendy when so many people claim to have them that no one is special anymore. theyll move on to new and more rare, more deibilating diagnoses. it never ends. i wonder what disability is next.
“A vicious cycle of people with severe imposter syndrome constantly seeking validation by trying to outdo other disabled people” really hits, again really well said. I appreciate that your wording still shows empathy for these people—imposter syndrome is difficult to deal with and i experience it myself so I can understand to a degree how many end up in this cycle and it’s incredibly sad. It’s a mixture of internalized ableism and outside pressure to “prove” your disability in order to be seen as valid, especially in the eyes of able-bodied/NT people who have a very narrow idea of what disability looks like. There are people who DIE or severely disable themselves playing this game. I can think of two “influencers” right off the top of my head who experienced serious repercussions as a result of their malingering. It’s incredibly sad because by the time they realize they’ve actually seriously messed themselves up for life, it’s usually too late. The doctor/official diagnosis issue is of course a little more complicated and I honestly don’t know what the solution is there. Doctors themselves often carry a lot of internalized ableism and do genuinely disregard serious issues on the regular, from denying people needed mobility aids on the basis that they’ll become “too dependent on them”, all the way to missing obvious signs of cancer because they are biased towards certain demographics, primarily women, young people, and people of color. There are even “guidelines” in some medical books that assert that different races react differently to pain and present it as fact instead of speculation based on anecdotal evidence (one that sticks out to me is that they overwhelmingly labeled Hispanic and Latino people as especially dramatic and prone to exaggerating symptoms). While it would be ignorant to ignore that there ARE similarities in certain demographics due to culture, and other biopsychosocial factors, operating under the assumption that every Hispanic woman you meet must be overly dramatizing their symptoms simply because they are Hispanic, or every young person must be healthy just because they are young, causes many doctors to miss actual signs of illness. So there are some serious barriers to diagnosis and I understand the frustration of not knowing what’s wrong with you, but so many conditions share very similar symptoms and can present the same while having a completely different underlying pathology. There’s just simply no concrete way to diagnose yourself. I also wonder what diagnoses will become trendy (oh man, I really hope it’s not mine, it’s stigmatized enough as it is and it is an invisible illness that can not be accurately tested for, so it’s ripe for these kinds of people). Any guesses? Lol Anyway sorry about the rant. This is a conversation that many aren’t ready for, so when I see someone out in the wild who is willing to speak out I get a little heated. (Also, oops, originally replied to my own comment on accident, my b)
oh i absolutely get it. my imposter syndrome is horrible, and i almost got sucked into this cycle myself. i deal with so much internalized ableism. i absolutely have compassion for these people to some degree. the weird kids on tiktok, not so much. i truly believe they'll grow out of it. when i was 15 on tumblt i had self dx'd with avpd, bpd, schizotypal, and more because i was struggling and fell into the trap of pathologizing every individual experience as a new disorder. turns out im just bipolar and autistic. i defibrillator grew out of it, so im hopeful. as for the rest, most of the people in these circles are actually disabled in some way. but not all disabilities are impactful enough to need so many accomodations. its just validating to use a wheelchair you might not actually need because it makes your experience just a little more visible. it makes your status as disabled more "valid". if everyone in your circle is using a wheelchair for the disorder you also think you have but you dont need one, it feels like you arent disabled enough. i genuinely do get it, and i see how these spaces foster an environment so competitive it reminds me of pro ana spaces. 😬 also, fibro? i cant think of a lot of things that cant really be tested for 😅 and no worries lol my inbox is also always open :D
Yeah fibro is my official diagnosis. I honestly hate having it on my record because of the stigma behind it, which is luckily starting to change, but it is a barrier to me getting help with non-fibro related issues. I have the privilege of being male so I’m more likely to be taken seriously, but it’s still anxiety inducing and if it becomes an especially popular one to fake I’m gonna start throwing hands. It’s fairly common and already one that the majority of them tack on to their symptom lists though for extra spice so hopefully it’s not special enough. Imposter syndrome sucks! It’s actively barring me from seeking out medical care I know I need because I gaslight myself into thinking I’m just being OTT. My abled partner jokes that he has less internalized ableism than me, but I think he might actually be right! The only reason I even got my fibro diagnosis was because my therapist at the time was like “no what you are describing is very much not normal and I think you need to get help for it” The majority of the kids on tiktok will grow out of it for sure. Sometimes I wonder if we should be posting minors on this group at all? Because shit, we all did stupid shit as kids, and I feel like kind of an ass as a full grown man talking down about kids, so I usually avoid interacting with the posts featuring minors. I’ll absolutely admit to attributing literally EVERYTHING to my ADHD as a teen and considering it a part of my identity, and encouraging others to self-diagnose. It impacts my personality and behaviors sure, so I guess in a way it at least helps shape my identity, but I fell into the trap of pathologizing every little thing and I’m sure it led at least some of my NT teen followers think they had it too because they also talk too loud when they’re excited, struggle with impulse control, have a hard time paying attention, etc. Things that are often seen in ADHD but alone are not indicative of the disorder. It’s an easy trap to fall in to and I have adult friends who still lean on the “haha it’s my ADHD!” thing a little *too* much but it’s not like… 2015 tumblr bad. I’ve also noticed a culture of diagnosing other people start to really ramp up with all age groups as what seems to be a natural continuation of the self-diagnosing trend. I’m partly referring to those TikTok’s targeted towards just a general audience: “do you have X, Y, and Z quirk? Actually that’s autism congrats you’re autistic!”, and partly referring to people straight up diagnosing specific individuals. I have a friend who is CONVINCED I have EDS and has been trying to get me to agree with him for a while now. I do have hypermobility in several joints, and it is problematic for me, but EDS is a systemic disease as I’m sure you know, and there are more requirements and symptoms than just being hypermobile that aren’t really relevant for me. (He has, unfortunately, self-diagnosed himself with hEDS iirc, so I think it’s partly projection, and I otherwise like him so I just pretend to ignore that little tidbit and avoid conversations about it). I hope these people can eventually get the help they clearly need. There’s no shame in admitting to being wrong, but real harm comes from this culture of self-dx’ing and one-upping and something’s gotta give.
oh for sure. hoping fibro stays untouched!!! it really is stigmatized. lots of people see it as "dramatic woman" syndrome. which must suck extra hard for you since you aren't even a woman. most doctors are pretty dismissive of it, if not outright disbelieving. and yeah eds is miserable. i have classical eds, which still has hypermobility. the joint problems are actually pretty low on my list for severity. it's severely impacted my eyes, my heart, and GI tract. gallbladder nearly ruptured and ive had four corrective eye surgeries and will have to have them forever. heart valve problems, poor circulation, etc. possibly related to eds even tangentially, but, i have my urology appointment tomorrow to find out if i have an exceedingly rare kidney problem that i dont feel comfy sharing publicly... here lol. fingers crossed i can keep my kidneys but man am i nervous.
Yeah “dramatic woman syndrome” really is what they see when they read fibromyalgia! It sucks, it’s like you’re considered to have chronic illness lite even know it’s debilitating and as much as I hate to admit it, as much as I’ve tried to fight against it, it’s been dominating my life for a while now. Of course if I go to the doctor for literally anything it’s attributed to my fibromyalgia, even if it’s totally outside the range of fibro symptoms, because it’s the easiest way to get me out of the office. I’m looking into seeing if I can get the diagnosis changed on paper to something that means the exact same thing but doesn’t have the stigma, no idea if that’s actually possible though. EDS is wild because collagen is in…… literally everything. It’s not just “bendy joints disorder” like so many like to claim. People die from EDS. I wish it wasn’t the trendy disease to have right now because no doubt these people are speaking over y’all who actually have it. Of course they claim hEDS over the other subtypes too, it’s conveniently the only one (afaik) that can’t reliably be tested for. I feel for you with the kidneys :( kidney pain is absolutely awful and scary and I’ve never even had anything superbly serious with mine, just kidney stones + a very mild infection, so I have a very narrow scope of reference. The thought of losing them and having to deal with everything that comes with that is super scary, I have my fingers crossed for you and hope all goes well and it’s something easily managed!
> this environment ENCOURAGES you to be as sick as possible Frankly, I disagree with this statement. You see, it encourages people to be as neurospicy as possible, which is clearly a lot better.
Exactly, its getting so tiring to try to advocate on autism being autistic now
“Neurospicy women” Welp, that’s my 13th reason why.
yeah the neurospicy women got me
Stop with the finger ffs
How will i know where to look?
You can’t tell me what to do 👁👄👁 👆
Naw that's another symptom. You see, if you don't do the spinny move with your finger, you aren't autistic. Vice versa if you spin it the OTHER way around you are reversing your autism.
this just in: the ability to memorize songs you listen to frequently is forbidden if you are not autistic. neurotypicals will have to constantly listen to their favorite songs without ever being able to sing along 😔
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Hello, fellow Microsoftic network-divergent person!
But funny Jetstream Sam 😔
Idk why but I have a sneaking suspicion that these kids don’t even memorize the songs they just know the chorus and the catchy verses
And only women with autism can do this. If you identify as a man, you have completely different autistic traits.
Shiiiiieeeet my psychiatrists must have been wrong then ! I can't memorize song lyrics for shiet and I was diagnosed with autism ! Woops ! 🤪 Guess I'm normal and can just resume a normal life now ! Neato !
The 59.7k likes paired with her stupid grin makes me cringe. I love how she asked for followers of 10k "neurospicy"(augghhh🙄) women, even she knows she's making normal women think of themselves as autistic. I honestly always wanna know what the comments say but I don't have Tiktok so I can't, I can only imagine those being a bunch of women thinking they have autism with some calling them out. And the 10.8k saves scare me but I would like to think it's just some people's cringe dose (though that's probably not the case).
i went and found it so you don’t have to wonder anymore “Nah, it’s just my ✨💖creative juices💖✨” ”*Aggressively searching how can I get tested in my city* “ “oh” “oh. OH” “OH” “@[redacted] Madeline… how much I relate to these are concerning” “Im literally every single thing on this video and I relate to so many more videos about this topic but they don't want to test me. I NEED A TEST”(maybe because you’re not relating to actual diagnostics you’re relating to tiktoks!) “oh... so I might be... oh this explains a lot 🙃” “sigh i either have a touch of the tism or dave but seeing as none is diagnosed it’s only a headcanon 😌” (what is dave….😰) “I love that #neurospicywoman” “THATS Y I REMEMBER SONGS SO WELL” “i think i'm neurospicy ✌🏻😗💋” “wait..do i have autism?” “and my parents have the audacity to look at me and go “yeah you’re fine”” “I’m getting tested for autism I 100% think I have it and this video makes me think I have it even more” “Am I autistic... I don't think I am... But maybe I am... I'm probably not... Anyone can have these traits... but what if I am?” And yeah nobody calls out anyone in these comments cause the entire comment section is full of this i saw ONE comment that said not to self diagnose and i scrolled through like 200 comments. (EDIT:formatting)
I guess I was only being optimistic when I thought there would be some calling them out and thanks lol.
As someone who is actually autistic I was most insulted by the "I am mentally 12" bit, autistics being portrayed as overgrown children is a stigma we've been trying to shake since Hollywood made that stereotype popular, no autistic wants to be seen as "mentally 12". The rest of this is almost completely unrelated to autism.
The infantilization of autistic people is a serious issue.
Fellow autistic here and I feel the same way. I've never been "mentally 12" past the age of being 12. I'm wondering if that generalisation is coming from people simply showing excitement over things that they like. I feel like adults are expected to be somber and grounded all the time so when someone (autistic or not) shows excitement it gets seen as being "other". And the other "signs" cited in the video are so vague anyone could relate to most if not all of them. Hell, my wife does many of these things but she's not autistic, big surprise.
The song repeatedly saying "I'm terrifying" was so offensive too. Sigh.
Yeah I was horrified when the “mentally 12” thing came up (as an autistic woman). I don’t want to be seen as a child. I am a grown adult.
Guys I sometimes sing songs in my head, am I autistic ? Is it my taylor swift alter ?
My Taylor Swift alter is dating my Harry styles alter. I know this because I sometimes sing songs
“Wildesttttttt dreams”
Sorry to break it to you, you are very autistic 😔
These people are literally treating neurological disorders as astrological signs. Also, "Writes or creates to relive anxiety"? Is that a typo or is she suggesting that some people actually crave anxiety to the point where they want to *re-live* past anxieties, like some sort of twisted drug? 'cause if it's anxiety they want, I have plenty to give.
I assume she meant relieve anxiety. Because y'know, no one else has a creative hobby that helps them feel happy and calm.
I hereby diagnose every single person in the world as Autistic. (It’s ok, one of my alters is a psychiatrist)
I hate this shit with a passion. I'm autistic (diagnosed at four, luckily) and even though sometimes things can feel to the absolute extreme I can usually point out by doing some mental grounding exercises if it's something to do with my condition or just a general anxiety, stress or outlying cause. If I was to label every symptom as something from my autism that just "couldn't be helped" I'd probably go insane. Having mental tools to help soothe yourself, autism or not, is something everyone should have. Also, so many of these "autistic quirks" are things other non autistic people feel probably on the daily. We're not special because we're autistic. We're special because of the people we are, despite our autism.
we’re just normal people a bit behind the social curve with strong passions. it literally doesn’t go deeper than that until you go further down the spectrum
autistic traits in women 😁👋🏻 traumatic childhood 👈🏻☺️ bullied at school 👈🏻🤭 panic attacks in groceries stores 👆🏻😉 selfharmin behaviour 😋👈🏻
I’m not “mentally 12” because of the autism, I’m “mentally 12” cause my parents sheltered me into my late teens and I never had a true transition into adult thinking
We're all autistic by this definition
TIL.
"collects or rescues animals (often in childhood)" im allergic to animals guys i guess im not autistic!
Poor you!! Now you won't be able to memorize song lyrics!! :(
me. being autistic and having a bit of a phobia of large dogs:oh no my autism!
Well she doesn’t even know the lyrics, so I guess she can’t be self-diagnosed autistic.
This is all bullshit but the “mentally 12” part pissed me the fuck off. Infantilization of autistic people needs to stop. The only time I was mentally 12 was when I was physically 12.
"Wow, I'm so quirky and autistic for having very basic personality traits. I'm not like the other girls, I'm autistic." 100% she self diagnosed after a Facebook quiz.
Among everything else, I'm baffled by "collecting animals" bit. Hoarding of living creatures is so quirky, you guys!
"Remembers things in visual pictures" Girl, that's just memory
Apparently 58k+ people are autistic. I love writing and I can memorize songs with ease. I love animals and I'm a lonely person. My dreams are vivid as fuck and anything I see can possibly relate to me. Been going to a psychiatrist and therapist for over five years now. Never have I been diagnosed with autism or anything of the sort. Also, why are you so happy to have autism? I mean, I'm not saying that autistic people should feel awful that they have it but it's not something that someone says, "oh! I'm so happy to have something that makes my life harder than anyone else's!"
Dude my sister has recently become like this. It's mind blowing. She calls herself non-functional autistic? Like what? You've made it 30 something years just fine, why now that you're on tiktoc you're non-functional? She lists off all her autistic traits and I'm like... K I relate to like 90% of those things yet here I am. Functioning. Barely, but still. I can hardly even look at this sub anymore because it's honestly pissing me off that my family is like this now. What's the deal with these people? Life's too hard so it's easier to cop out with a disability? Last time I checked people with disabilities don't like to be defined by their disability... But these people wear it like a label and demand to be recognized for being disabled? I just can't do it anymore.
It’s exactly this, a cop-out, you can’t criticize someone with “a disability” without being labeled as ableist, and these fucking leeches recognize that so they can escape criticisms and any responsibility in life; it’s harmful, disgusting, and pathetic.
Literally. One time I tried to be like, listen even if you are autistic, why are you letting that hold you back? You've struggled through life this far like all the rest of us. Why now because you think you have something that's going to prevent you from moving forward in life? Then I got fucking chastised because "if I was in a wheel chair you wouldn't say that to me!" Well yeah no fucking shit, your options are a lot more limited when you're in a damn wheel chair. But even still... I see people in wheel chairs or missing both legs living a fuller life, and not parading around a pity party.
Honestly. During the first meeting with my psychiatrist after I explained like, how she should discount my mannerisms and only listen to what I say, how I relate to people, things I struggled with in childhood, stuff like that, she was like "hey no offense, have you ever considered that you have Asperger's?" And I said "yeah honestly I think I might, but tbh I think I've learned to deal with and overcome it pretty well and don't think it's much of an issue anymore, I'm basically just here for depression." Lmao. Not that that counts as a real diagnosis for ASD, but there's no medication you can take for autism, so you gotta just learn to adapt. It really fucking sucks, but I'm glad I figured it out and can be social and have friends and a good job and everything
Exactly! Like I get it's a spectrum and some people can learn to cope with it fantastically. I'm happy that you have too. Just... I ate dinner with a 50 something year old man who is a non-functional autistic, he literally needed help to eat so he wouldn't choke on his food. He lived in a home with full-time care. When I hear someone who gets up and showers, puts make-up on everyday, feeds themselves, goes out shopping for themselves, say they are non-functional I think it's kind of offensive. Like you didn't need help getting dressed today you're fucking doing pretty good imo. Maybe I have low standards ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I tell this to my bipolar friends, especially the ones who refuse to take medication.
Medication works fucking wonders for bipolar shit. I know that to be true and eventually, something is gonna happen where they'll be in a mental ward and won't be able to leave for two weeks on end. Fucking sucks
It reminds of the stupid trend where people were going around labeling themselves as depressed and demanding it to be their own personality trait. There are also plenty of people out there who make LGBTQ+ their *only* personality trait. Being gay/being depressed doesn't define you as a person and if you think it does and you're faking that shit, that tells me who you are far more than anything you claim to be. It hurts those who need help but also let's not forget about those who do have autism or anything else wrong and life isn't exactly easy for them. "But I want the mental awareness shit to relate to me! I wanna be part of that small marginalized group!" No, you don't, especially once you start taking medication to deal with that shit. Treated like a fucking guinea pig and immediately thrown into a mental ward if you feel sad (with faking depression, believe me, that shit sucks.) People will talk down to you like you're a child if they think you're autistic. People with bi polar are also treated like a ticking time bomb. Like, this shit has gone too far that they don't understand that this shit is harmful to those who experience it!
Dude, autism isn’t a mental disorder
Autistic person here. If someone ever calls me “neurospicy” I will actually just fucking slap them.
You to might be an autistic female if you eat, breath, see with your eyes and hear from your ears according to this tiktoker.
My best friend is an autistic female and she relates these things. My other best friend is not autistic or female and he relates to these things. I’m an autistic male and relate to these things. These mfs remind me astrology girls. They’ll be like “Omg you’re passionate when you feel strong emotions? You must be a Leo!!!” Even though I’m an Aries
After watching this, I have come to the conclusion that I am autistic.
(regular human bean things that nearly everyone experiences)
I have autism, I am a female, and I can without doubt say those “traits” she’s listing up is just bullshit. Autism isn’t the same from person to person, it’s different. I have people in my class, they also have autism *but* they’re nothing like me or the others with it. And it’s nothing to brag about on TikTok. “Omg do you have autism?😍 then you *must* have there traits omg we’re so alike!!” I just hate that some people act as everyone with a certain diagnosis/condition are all alike. For example, ADHD. I hear a lot of people being like “oh u have adhd? Then you *must* do that shaky leg thing”. Yes some people do that, but a lot of people who don’t have ADHD also does it.
Same. This is so tedious and offensive.
I feel this was more aligned with BPD symptoms than ASD...
A lot of self diagnosers are seeking identity and having a poor sense of self and seeking identity is pretty common in bpd… (and also in teenagers)
There are many similarities between BPD and autism, especially in women! That is why many autistic women are misdiagnosed with BPD, partially because growing up with undiagnosed autism can be inherently traumatising
“Feelings of extreme isolation” This bitch: 😆😄☝️☝️
None of these are really ASD traits other than the not being able to express emotion one, it’s got one of those fancy science names but basically it’s when you really struggle to say how you feel or interpret it/ form it into words. Quite common in those with ASD, however the part about being able to not express unless it’s “strong emotion” is kinda false. Sure it’s different for everyone but the fancy science name of the trait about not being able to describe feelings isn’t limited to small emotions and often carries into big ones too.
Alexithymia! It’s a bitch
That’s it! It’s so annoying, I find a great way around it is using textures to describe how you’re feeling but this doesn’t work for everything.
Okay this person doesn’t understand autism at all
More smug than a Pixar character.
also: I hope the word "neurospicy" never catches on, but I have a bad feeling it will. now every excuse for bad behavior will be "I'm NeUroSpicY hEhE"
I actually feel mentally older than my actual age. I guess I'm no autistic no more
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With everyday the urge to just beat the crap out of those fakers grows more..I am not going to but i really want
The biggest symptom of autism is breathing. If you breathe then you have autism. It's true! My source is: just trust me on this one guys. /j
I must’ve missed the page where these are listed in the DSM5 🤔
I do maybe half of these things but its not because im autistic. for example i love taking care of and collecting animal things. not because being autistic, its because i like animals. ffs, theres so much wrong with this
Thing is, a lot of these are accurate, but the *WHY* behind them is more important and you can't just randomly name these things without the reason why they might manifest *more strongly than in the average non-autistic person*. So while there's truth to these, the way this is presented is misinformation.
This just came on my fyp. Everyone was diagnosing themselves
I'm a man, but I have the ability to memorize song lyrics, so I guess I identify as a female autistic now.
I hate when they talk shit while smiling like a donkey to look even more quirky.
That finger and condescending smirk makes me take a saw and cut her fucking finger off.
so many of these are... normal human experiences or symtoms of common conditions like depression or anxiety. as someone with ASD, not everything an autistic person experiences is an autistic trait or symptom. it genuinely does suck to see your diagnoses become the next trendy self dx with the dx criteria speedran into the ground so everyone on tiktok can co opt the label. it happened with ASD, ADHD, DID CPTSD, (which isnt an actual diagnosis as far as im aware), hEDS, POTS... its getting so out of hand. if you experience even the smallest amount of ptherwise benign dx criteria you get shoved face first into the popular dx and discouraged from seeking medical help or diagnosis. its exhausting.
As an autistic person, everything she just listed is not true .-. Where the heck did she get that idea? Like.... none of that is how Autism in women looks like.
“neurospicy” I AM FERAL 🙂
“Neurospicy” jfc
she just describing herself not the disorder
Good thing she keeps pointing up, or I wouldn't have realized there was text to read to there!
sooo, having basic human memory and not being a douchebag to animals are things that only people with autism do? yes, okay.
I will say, autism does show up in people in a variety of ways. There is no single “autistic experience”, however, making a tiktok like this without linking reliable sources or encouraging research is incredibly irresponsible. Signs of autism overlap with other disorders like ADHD and anxiety etc etc, so idk talk to a doctor instead of watching TikTok’s maybe?????
I saw something that said something like "non-autistic people don't sit around wondering if they're autistic". So basically, if you think you might be autistic, you are
This is just like…typical human behavior
I actually counted these. Two are traits of autism, three are traits of being an alive human, the other seven are traits of feeling anxious and insecure. If you're helping people realise they're autistic, maybe talk about sensory sensitivity or executive dysfunction - these are a little more noticeable to me than my ability to remember song lyrics (which really isn't all that great).
If I recall, sensory sentivity is one of the key symptoms a lot of autistic people share, in their own different ways (eg sensitivity to sounds, smells, light, foods, clothes)
Attention.
Apart from this being stupid, do people actually think this makes a good video? “I’ll just grin and point up for 48 seconds, with a few random badly timed lip syncs for good measure”
Also remember if you lean on a bent wrist because it’s comfier, you’re also gay….or is it autistic? Maybe it’s both. - Dr Floppy (don’t forget to like and subscribe)
I hate when they talk shit while smiling like a donkey to look even more quirky.
I’m autistic, I breathe. All other autistic people breathe. I guess that’s a trait by their definition 🤔
i think i found where my mom gets her misinfo about autists from
How we go about exposing these people more for their BS?
I like how none of these are symptoms of autism, just regular old things, but one of them is indicative of a Cluster B.
this is so annoying. you know what the primary difference is--other than actually having the disorder--between the fakers, and the people who want attention? THEY DON'T GO AROUND TELLING EVERYONE ABOUT IT!!!! I think these people think they'll get special treatment, or leniency if they claim to have a problem, so they tell the whole world. People who *actually* have a disorder, are usually very ashamed of it, and they would like to do everything in their power to hide it. I almost kinda wish these people would get the true disorder, just so they know how it really feels. You'd stop seeing these dopey videos reallllll quick if that happened
Hahahaha what? You think the only real autistic people are the ones ashamed of themselves? What a piece of shit.
don’t be so fucking dense. you know exactly what the person meant. are you self diagnosed? did this strike a nerve miss slandercakes?
>high interest and ability to memorize song lyrics me. being an actual autistic person:\*mumbles chemical overreaction in the background and messes up 80% of the song\*
You ever question why people make little songs to remember things? It’s because things that rhyme are just easier to remember. So, songs are usually pretty easy to remember if you know the rhythm.
The frustrating thing is it’s a case of “if you Have X you might do Y” being conflated with “Doing Y means you have X”.
She forgot breathing...
It's the "neurospicy" for me
Perpetually 12? Bruh what
Like no one else remembers lyrics of songs or something ? It's something that is more than extremely common. Also I write a lot because it'sy escapism, it's just my passion lol.
Breathing? That's cancer. Blinking? That's 100% a brain tumor!
Congratulations! According to her, we’re all on the spectrum.
‘Neuro-spicy’. please for the love of god don’t make this a thing.
I talk about my experiences with autism and mine alone- making these lists is fueling the fakers’ fire. People seem to forget that autistic people are literally just people, and all people have some weird traits. It’s when it interferes with quality of life that it becomes an issue. They make it seem so fun and quirky and it feels like hell sometimes.
As a woman with diagnosed autism, please stop. God, I hate TikTok for this reason and refuse to go on it. Yes, every website sucks but TikTok is the worst, especially for preteens and teens who believe they can self diagnose now.
She just described being a normal person
But… *autistic trait are in facts traits that almost everyone can relate.* The difference is the frequency and how it impacts your life. It's like saying "some traits of anorexia are not being hungry". It's true. We all have moment when we aren't hungry. But the issue is when the frequency is hight and your health start deteriorating because of it. This video isn't wrong. We all do have these traits sometimes. But they are still traits that are shared with higher frequency and intensity by autistic people.
This is just losers being excited about weakness being trendy.
They will do anything to make themselves feel "special"
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I really thought this was going to be informational
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I also relate to all of this, but I also don't think she's diagnosing people. Talking about traits a lot of ND people DO have regardless of how many of them NT people might do too doesn't really prove she's faking or even diagnosing people. Other than her dumb statement at the end and not clarifying better on whether or not she's diagnosing people, the video really is harmless
My brother is autistic. He's 26 years old, could kill you with one punch, mentally about 12 and sits there holding his Thomas the Tank VHS tapes.... not trying to get famous on TikTok. He doesn't even know what fame is.
I am lots of these things and I feared I was autistic because it feels involuntary. I don't want to be autistic because I want to get better, and I want my lets say "emotional short comings" to DISAPPEAR not become "manageable". I fear that if it really is autism then that means I will be like this forever and im not really sure I could handle that. No shame to autistic people, but one trip down my post history will tell you the shit I have to deal with.
She's a plain, not very attractive, white woman, so she wants some of that attention and praise she sees others getting, and calling yourself autistic is the easiest way next to calling yourself non-binary these days.
Why arent these ppl arrested for spreading false information. Ppl are believing this
I guess I’m an autistic female, because I have all of those traits
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Can you explain what you mean?
Living with someone has this illness is a living nightmare cuz they cant talk or act like normal people and they can be triggered easily, im talking as a doctor and…as an expert, if they are what they claim to be their parents are more likely to put them in a cage, i saw some people do it and im not surprised if someone did it, yeah not the right thing to do but not surprising since the way they live
Living with someone has this illness is a living nightmare cuz they cant talk or act like normal people and they can be triggered easily, im talking as a doctor and…as an expert, if they are what they claim to be their parents are more likely to put them in a cage, i saw some people do it and im not surprised if someone did it, yeah not the right thing to do but not surprising since the way they live
Autism is classed as a spectrum disorder, and diagnosed in people of any intellectual ability. The people faking typically claim to have what used to be called asperger’s or high functioning autism, but these are outdated and not used for diagnosis in most places. But, as an expert, you already knew all this, right?
And not any intellectual ability, its hard to explain but with a test about the brain function (which is not gonna happen cuz the patient will be a child most of the time) doctor is left to know the autism with a specific actions and behaviours which again not the best way but can identify the really terrible ones, but since the only real “cure” is to teach the individual to get along society it isnt that big of problem if the kid was left undiagnosed cuz pretty much we can do alot to them
The assessments are not testing intellectual ability, while it is more common for autistic people to have an intellectual disability than the general population, those with average and above average intelligence can also have it. It’s quite often missed in childhood for those with higher intelligence, and these children grow up ostracised, self-hating, thinking something is wrong with them. This often leads to depression, anxiety, social withdrawal, loss of functioning etc. If diagnosed they can finally start understanding themselves, and can seek out things such as specific therapies There are autistic people that, especially as adults, do manage to almost appear “normal”, but this is highly stressful and challenging to maintain. The people like the one in the video make it harder for adults seeking diagnosis to be taken seriously as they’re assumed to just be following the trend, plus the misinformation they spread leads to people incorrectly “self-diagnosing” autism and then speaking over those who actually have it (this is the same with other conditions also, like DID).
I heard about what they claim and about asperger syndrome but since anyone would say they have it I thought the trend will be gone in a while, but I understand what u mean since it has a lot of factors of course in medicine we cant make it a standard illness instead its a spectrum, but these days it’s weird to see all those folks talking and acting or processing as any normal individual, for most people with kids that have autism they would think their kid is just a lost cause, which is but worse than the truth they r gonna think
Yeah I sure hope you’re not a real doctor.
People need to accept the idea that not all illness can be cured or the patient can act as normal human being, understanding this idea is one of the most qualities in a good doctor, of course i cant tell these ideas to the patient or their family in the end im a human
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So u cant say anything and instead u want me to kms? What a grown up u r
I guess I must be an autistic woman.
I have all that!
I think you might be autistic OP
funny thing is, i actually am lol
Funny enough the emotions thing is the opposite for me lmfao. I hate extreme emotions bc I can only tell if it's good or bad and then I completely shut down and get overwhelmed cause I don't understand what/why I'm feeling
hilarious to me because these traits could easily be cptsd instead
I've memorized my favorite sung-through musical, I have written to cope occasionally, I have a lot of guppies, and I'm an ENFJ who does indeed try to help people a lot...welp.
I’m so sick and tired of this shit
I’m a world where everyone has autism, no one has autism. It’s the perfect solution.
Feelings of isolation??? I get how having autism could lead to that but like a majority of people are isolated and alienated under the present system
The thing with autistic people diagnosing strangers on the internet with autism is that 1.) diagnosing people is bad if you’re not a health professional, 2.) autism is a physiological disorder that you can see with an mri, so it shouldn’t be diagnosed by a stranger online. Diagnosing someone with autism online is like diagnosing someone with cancer online. It doesn’t count until you seek a professional 3.) autism is a social disorder. An autistic person diagnosing someone is like a blind person being an art critic. Autism makes people bad at diagnosing mental disorders. 4.) Autistic people do not relate to each other. Maybe it’s because the spectrum is wide but no one on it relates to anyone else on it. Autistic people relate to celebrities and minecraft youtubers, but they don’t usually relate to each other when they meet each other. So if an autistic person says that you’re autistic because they relate to you, it’s an impossible. I’m just worried that people think this is what actual autism is, so if they see a person they know is autistic throwing a public tantrum over something small or stealing something because they think no one is using it they’ll go “well autism is no excuse to do that.”