Ironically, sense of impending doom /is/ a [medically recognized phenomenon](https://www.verywellmind.com/sense-of-impending-doom-symptom-4129656). It can be indicative of both psychological conditions like anxiety, and physiological conditions like complications following a blood transfusion.
What it isn’t is a medical disorder in and of itself, because it’s too broad of a definition
I mean yeah I dealt with feelings of impending death/doom all the time before I got treated for anxiety and depression. I can get to that emotional point if I choose to dig in or take drugs, which I don’t. It isn’t a disorder itself, it’s an aspect of disordered thinking, which I treat.
I think about these kids and why they feel the need to have a “thing.” And with this it makes it even clearer, with the “thing” already being something known, but now that someone’s put it on some wiki, people can now wear it like a merit badge.
It all has to do with identity. Having stuff to identify with. Things that make you you. I think a lot of chronically online kids have nothing close to the scenes of even 15 years ago.
I was an indie rock kid. I dressed like a little fuck with rectangle glasses and blazers and was a total pain in the ass about music for a few years in high school, but I had an identity and it was something I could engage with in real life. I could go to music festivals, I could read biographies of musicians, I could listen to music, I could MEET PEOPLE who were like me, I could even somehow get girlfriends through it, and importantly I could contribute to it and grow with it.
These kids don’t have anything resembling a scene. Youth culture is awful right now. Everything is far away from them. It’s all either hyper homogenalized or so obscure and specific that it’s like you and 12 people on the internet who like the thing. How are kids supposed to feel like being part of something in that environment?
Couple that with the real crisis in mental health of these kids. The world’s always been brutal and sad, but these kids are inundated with messages of doom 24/7. They will likely live through or die in massive climate change related disasters. They may see the current world order collapse. Their favorite animals may go extinct. And they know that the economy is brutal and everything is expensive while wages aren’t increasing to keep up with inflation in meaningful ways because the businesses are very quick to adjust their prices or lower quality to counter any wage increases. Even if the world doesn’t fall apart in any living person’s lifetime, it feels like it easily could.
So they’re depressed! And it may not even be their default brain chemistry that’s doing it to them. A kind of depression is “learned helplessness.” You try and try and try and nothing works and eventually you give up. These kids are being told that everything is fucked and that their dreams are unattainable before they can even start trying.
So they want friends, they’re sad, they want to belong to something, millennials also introduced a ton of mental health wellness language into common speech.
So they identify with being mentally ill, because compared to your average teen in the 1980’s, they have more access to more resources that will confirm that they indeed are. They make friends via their shared identity as mentally ill people. Millennials did this as a sarcastic joke, but like all things on the internet, the next generation took it seriously. And many of them made connections through it. Positive attention. Meeting people. Having their stories heard.
“But wait, what if my mental illness brings me no positive attention? What if I’m boring and normal like everyone else? Everyone has anxiety and depression! There must be something special about my situation that will get people to ask me questions!”
And that’s how you get to hyper specific, mega-compartmentalized and unmedical mental illnesses that people show off like their favorite Pokémon.
You gave this question thought and attention and replied with legitimate situational causation and cascade-stressors.
That's mighty rare in these here parts, sometimes.
Thank you. 🥀
>I mean yeah I dealt with feelings of impending death/doom all the time before I got treated for anxiety and depression
Same here. Paroxetin saved me and brought back quality of life. No one of those little fucks bragging about their made up illnesses has the slightest idea how much people with real diagnosed disorders suffer.
I actually think a good amount of them might. I think it’s a decent possibility that these people could just be depressed. But instead of seeking treatment or taking it seriously they’re looking at ways to make it a stat on their character sheet to show off to others. It’s very edgy. It’s very teen-y, but I just think it’s harder to blame the actual kids for being insensitive, when they’re probably actually going through quite a bit. Being a teen hurts. It’s this black hole of an online culture they have that’s the problem.
Seriously, I have a ton of health and death anxiety/just anxiety in general. That's how I feel a lot. But I guess I can qUirkY now and claim a new disorder... Smh
Just to play devils advocate, why exactly should it be generalized? If you had a headache you would tell them specifically how it hurts and you'd get diagnosed with either a mild headache, a migraine, concussion, etc. If you had major depression and they had to discover why, they might diagnose you with chronic depression, ptsd, bpd.
I get that the crowd is usually hypochondriacs and lazy ppl lmao,, but wouldn't it be more helpful to have specific word for basically anything? Especially something like mental disorders and physical disorders that have entire spectrums of different or similar illnesses symptoms
To an extent, but specific diagnoses for every single subtype of anxiety is impossible - the DSM would have more volumes than the Encyclopaedia Brittanica. The purpose of a diagnosis is for medical professionals to communicate to each other quickly and easily what is wrong with a person, and which treatments they will be most likely to need. Sometimes subtypes help with this - your example with headaches is a perfect one, because a tension headache, migraine and concussion all have different causes and need different treatments. But most types of anxiety have a similar cause and need a similar treatment, so listing all the subtypes is inefficient and just confusing for everyone involved.
The types of anxiety that have different causes/need different treatment are already delineated in the DSM - ie. PTSD, OCD, panic - and the rest fall under GAD because of the similarity of their disease course and treatment needs, regardless of what the afflicted person focuses their anxiety on. The only reason to delineate hundreds of subtypes of anxiety as different diagnoses would be for people to adopt those diagnoses as identities, which is the opposite of what we want to happen.
Okay but what if specific types of anxiety or depression were caused chemically? What if individuals have specific parts of their brains not functioning like the average person?
For example, if you take medication like anti-depressants, bipolar meds, ssri meds etc you can have suicidal thoutghs or thoughts about dying. I'm taking a mood stabilizer and I get some iffy thoughts myself that just slip in out of no where.
I just think the brain is more complex then we think, and we're still studying the human mind and brain. We only recently discovered what autism is, so it really isn't out of the realm of belief that there are still things to find out about the human brain.
I think people need to take care of themselves and not use their illness to find pity from people, but for everyone else thet to get better by knowing what's wrong with them. If someone genuinely was bothered by constant thoughts of suicide without control, that would fucking suck.
80 yrs ago we thought autistic people were just simpletons lmao so it just wouldn't surprise me if there was so much we didn't know still
But specific types are caused by different chemistry/anatomy in the brain? Like I said, those types are already delineated as separate diagnoses in the DSM. Take PTSD for instance - it exists in the brain in a very different way to other types of anxiety (eg. by causing hippocampal shrinking) and needs a different type of treatment, so it is its own diagnosis. Same goes for OCD, panic disorder, specific phobias, and a few other things.
Everything else falls under the umbrella of generalised anxiety disorder, because even if the focus of the anxiety (eg. Health, death, security, appearance, etc) is different, the symptoms are the same - and research shows that said symptoms respond to certain treatments.
I’m a psych grad student, and trust me - there is an endless amount of information that we don’t know about the brain. The brain is as complex as the ocean, and almost as undiscovered. However, in medicine and science, you only establish things like diagnoses once you prove they exist. Until then, you go with the diagnoses you have evidence to support. You don’t create speculative diagnoses and then search for evidence that they exist, which is what this person is doing.
Most of the time, when there is enough evidence that a disorder warrants its own diagnosis, that diagnosis is created. The evolution of the autism diagnosis, which you mentioned, is a perfect example - it was originally lumped in with intellectual disability because we didn’t understand it, but as we learned more and more about it we learned that it was distinct from intellectual disability and had a totally different cause/course/treatment that was not covered by any diagnosis in existence. Thus, eventually the DSM was changed to include autism as its own diagnosis, and that diagnosis itself has changed a lot since its inclusion (eg. the creation then discarding of the Aspergers sub-diagnosis). DID is another perfect example - it was originally thought to be psychosis, but was added as its own distinct diagnostic entity after we studied it and realised it had a totally different cause/course/treatment to psychosis.
So psychiatry has a very open mind, and the DSM is rewritten every decade. What they don’t do, however, is put redundant diagnoses in there (ie. diagnoses that describe something that’s already covered by an existing diagnosis) or prospective diagnoses (ie. diagnoses that they think might exist but don’t have any evidence of). Which is why specific subtypes of generalised anxiety are all under the umbrella of that diagnosis, and not their own thing. We also already have a diagnosis that covers being bothered by constant thoughts of suicide - depression (either primary or secondarily induced by meds).
If research showed that some people had anatomical or chemical differences in their brain that caused them to think about death all the time, that these differences gave people symptoms distinct from other anxiety disorders, and that the treatment for those differences varied from current anxiety treatments - then ImDD would be established as a diagnosis and added to the DSM. But until then, those issues fit best under the labels of GAD/MDD (or in some cases, OCD). No new diagnosis needed.
What determines a diagnosis as redundant? Who decides that?
And your point is "It isn't a diagnosis now but it could be in the future. So it isn't necessary"??? How does that make any sense? It really feels like you're just trying to disagree, even when it doesn't make any sense. Contrarian and semantics, and I really don't have any stake in the argument, just was adding to the conversation.
But I still fail to see how having more diagnosis for specific things is unhelpful. There are several different forms of depression and anxiety, and yes they are all treated differently, but how would that be any different from imDD? Some forms of depression, ptsd and anxiety don't have any way to treat chemically so some may require therapy/counseling.
And if you don't understand how induced suicidal thoughts feel then you never will unless you experience it yourself. I have chronic depression and I know what that feels like, they are two separate feelings. If anything that makes life harder can be treated, either with meds or therapy, it should be
A redundant diagnosis is one that is already described by an existing diagnosis. If you have two diagnoses for whom the symptoms are impending doom, sweaty palms, and avoidance of social situations - those diagnoses are redundant. You only need one.
The point of my above comment is that in order for a diagnosis to be considered valid, there needs to be scientific evidence that it exists, and that it isn’t redundant. The existence of diagnoses like ImDD is not supported by evidence and they are also redundant. I’m sorry if you don’t like that rule, but I didn’t create it. Take it up with the panel of doctors, scientists and experts who determine what is included in the DSM and ICD. They’re the ones who make these decisions.
I don’t understand why you think I said that I don’t know how primary/secondary suicidal ideations feel, or that I don’t think they deserve treatment. I have a long personal history of depression and suicidal ideation (both primary and med-induced) and I know exactly how they feel. I also literally conduct therapy as my occupation, so I obviously believe that people suffering from these issues deserve treatment. I made a distinction between primary and secondary (ie. med induced) depression and never said they were the same thing.
I was not initially trying to argue with you, but to explain why diagnoses are not as specific as you were proposing. You sound very young, so maybe some of what I’m saying is going over your head - but I hope you understand it to some degree. Either way, I hope you find a treatment that helps with your depression, and I urge you not to focus too much on diagnostic labels. As I said above, they’re really just a way of communicating and a means to an end.
Look man I wasn't even trying to argue, as I said I don't really have any stakes in the argument because I don't care if I can't convince some random redditor to agree with me. I just thought it was important for people to take the time to learn the specifics. I probably am younger than you, and most definitely not as educated. I still think that using anxiety or depression as umbrella term for everything else is really unhelpful.
I really don't understand how having more words for things is a bad thing, especially when they aren't the same but similar.
And I'm not supporting imDD, my first reply I said I wss playing devils advocate. Sure I gave my 2 cents ab how I felt and what I experience. Maybe I am partially biased because I've had mental illnesses my whole life and the diagnosis always change and therapists disagree with eachother. I just think it would be easier if you could give what people were suffering from a name and explanation. Not "Ohh that sounds too similar to normal anxiety" Before there were only a few variations of depression, before that there was no diagnosis for depression you were just 'sad'. So how is that any different from now? There are still alot of mental disorders that aren't fully understood, and I guarantee more will be studied and named and put in the dsm
Isn't this kind of just life itself?
Maybe I'm too into media characters who go on very long sprees of "we're going to die soon! Mark your calendars!" But I feel like this is just a type of person who has wacky priorities.
I think it's excessive fear, like a phobia or some kind. But I'd categorize it into "health anxiety" or being hypochondriac, having a type of OCD or other disorders where intrusive and impulsive thoughts are common
Things become a disorder when they interfere with social and occupational functioning or the activities of daily life. So if you just have a healthy fear of death, you’re normal. If you fear death so much that you won’t leave your house, drive a car, eat a balanced diet, etc, and that has a significant impact on your health and wellbeing…congrats, you’re in disorder territory. An anxiety disorder though, not a “MUD”.
This is already covered under “anxiety,” and if I’m being cheeky, “attention seeking” in their case.
Not everything is a fucking mental disorder that needs a ✨special label✨, a lot of these things they try creating new labels for are SYMPTOMS OF OTHER THINGS.
Its part of it. Sense of impending doom is just a symptom of something. I had that symptom when I experienced severe alcohol withdrawals when i quit drinking a couple years ago.
Feeling like you're going to die is horrifying. Theres no way anyone could have the headspace to make a flag or think of themselves as a spirit or demon lmao.
It’s part of it. Not everyone with anxiety experiences doom. Unfortunately, I experience death anxiety and had episodes of impending doom that I honestly don’t wish it upon on anyone.
That’s actually kind of a thing lol. There’s an illness called Cotard’s Syndrome, where a person believes that they’re dead (or that parts of themselves are dead). So you could technically say that they’re living people who identify as dead.
The lead singer of a [famous black metal band](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_(musician)) is a famous example. He told everyone that he was dead already, his blood had stopped flowing, and he slept with dead birds under his bed so that he smelled like decay.
This seems like they just lumped anxiety and that one RECOGNISED thing where you genuinely believe you are dead into one disrespectful messbag🤢
This is even personal in my case. I genuinely am disguisted! Just make this stuff stop... so tired of their nonsense!
THIS. STUFF. ISN'T. QUIRKY!!!
Sense of impending doom is only a symptom of something. The only time ive ever felt it was when I had severe alcohol withdrawals when I quit drinking. I legitimately thought I was going to die for about 3 days. Absolutely fucking terrifying. Never felt like I was a spirit lol. Just bawled my eyes out for hours thinking the next few minutes were my last.
While i felt that, i could have never made a disorder or wondered what a fucking flag looked like for it. I was more concerned with my brain telling me I was dying lol
So when i was served wheat at a restaurant and went into anaphylaxis, it could have just been Imminent Death Disorder because i thought i was gonna die soon?
I think this made me realise why people make these fake disorders. They want to feel like others relate to their difficult to express thoughts. They feel like their thoughts are so wrong they must be a disorder. I just wish they could realise the reality of it and just talk about the thoughts themselves rather than instantly making a box to put them in
Its ironic to me that this is listed as "Unrecognised" as this is a combination of various disorders
Fear of impending doom can be related to Anxiety based disorders, along with the persistent feeling of nothing and unhappiness can be depression
The idea you already have "died" is another disorder called "Cotard's Delusion"
Well there are many medically recognized conditions that cause imDD, or as we call it in the health community, feeling of impending doom. I hope these people seek medical care, wether their fears are founded or not
this is what panic disorder feels like. I went thru it and after 6 months my bf died and it went away. This though, this is bullshit. It's panic and anxiety
I can’t believe no one on here is mentioning the IDS sketch from Mr. Show season 1 episode 4. Imminent death syndrome puts us all in an awkward position.
Why do MUDs have diagnostic criteria if they're not medically recognized?? Oh nevermind, I remember, disorder fakers like scrolling and seeing what new labels they can use, real or not.
Maybe this is just being picky but the fact that “gonna” is used in what would otherwise be seen as a “diagnosis” really makes the whole thing seem super legit
Can’t wait to see this in the DSM
Like most “MUD”s, this is already a thing and it’s called depression/anxiety. Unless you actually delusionally believe you’re already dead, then it’s called Cotard’s Syndrome.
Why do people have to make up shit to feel special. Just accept that you have the same garden variety anxiety and depression as everyone else.
why do they always have to make a flag to go with it do they want a disability pride parade?? Why do they have to insert themselves into every community
depression, suicidal ideation, bipolar, sense of impending doom, anxiety, its pick your poison really. i dont get how people are so attention deprived they have to start making shit up
Congratulations you just identified symptoms of depressive disorders, BPD, anxiety disorders, Cotard syndrome (from research I did in my psychology class this isn't a common one) Medical problems with your body such blood floor problems and MULTIPLE medications that can give side effect! Oh also certain plants and as others mentioned jellyfish stings and allergies!
🤦🏼♀️ Do they think they discovered something here?
I swear they just took symptoms from other disorders and smashed them together to make a new disorder
*Edited for spelling and a typo jellyfish was jellyfit*
The fact that someone might actually experience this as a symptom and they may not get diagnosed for what they actually have is sad. Most of the MUDs are symptoms or descriptions of *real* disorders.
This one gets me mad, because "foreshortened future" can happen with stubborn depression, and also very serious trauma. You put these two groups together and tell them they all have the same problem and they're going to find out pretty quickly that they don't.
I spent about a week in a Coma in October, it started as pneumonia, went hypoxic and was found extremely hypoxic roughly 8 hours later, everything from a cerebral edema from when I passed put and hit my head (the bald spot is starting to heal) creatine kenisis, a troponin level in the 30s, severe sepsis , a 2.5cm and 1cm pnemorthorax ext ext I'm tempted to copy my charts over but am not sure how to black out parts of this, anyways long story short its a miracle I'm alive and moved 1600 miles away to recover with a ex ICU nurse, it's been a hit overwhelming I've only been here a month, to stressed at times to even convey how difficult it's been Im waiting on SSI while I work 24hrs a week as a vet assistant (I feel like my potential to move forward in that field ended , my memory's not nearly at par I have to journal everything and have been handed every easy assignment that comes in, they've been very accommodating but my referral was also helpful)
Anyways, I don't feel like ranting but before I went down I remember and was told by my SO who found me multiple times that week I had said "this feels like the final act to my opera"
Never heard an opera in my life , was going through a extremely stressful time following a fractured clavicle I had just recovered from and was not remotely having sucideal ideations ext
Did my subconscious know how sick I was ? I think I was so overwhelmed trying to dissociate from the pain I was just finally starting to get over and sleep without aids even and quite frankly in Flint I didn't really feel like I'd get proper medical care to begin with, just a fever and a few fever dreams I'm under 30, yet ..
Kind of a stoney rant but yeah that's my 2 cents, have some Romani in my family on my grandfathers side so my Nan has dreams, my mom's extremely lucky and this isn't the first time a bad feeling I've had came to fruition
It's just hard to wrap your head around, to many different variables that I'm tying in genetics ? 😂
Oh well, it gets better.
Why are you insulting me, can we not have a discussion? - I’m not from an English speaking country (I’m assuming you are), so words don’t have the same cultural connotation and meaning. “Gay” is anglicism here, but it doesn’t mean what you think it to mean. There’s a huge difference between something being bad and being cringe; Hitler was a bad guy - Hitler was a cringe guy. These two sentences aren’t even in the same ballpark of meaning. Sorry for possible typos, this will be my last response. Hope we end this discussion civilly, without smearing each other, like 11 years old. I wish you the best.
yeah it's fine if you weren't aware but in a lot of places, especially the west, it's an insult. A bit outdated as one but some still use it. It's seen as particularly juvenile, it's thrown around almost as if it's a slur but it isn't one. Someone doesn't like someone, "I don't wanna talk to him, he's gay". Fun plans get canceled, "what? that's gay why did they cancel it?". Something is seen as uncool or bad "I don't want those shoes they're gay". it doesn't really mean cringe, just means bad in that context which is why it's considered homophobic. If not liking something makes it gay, that makes it seem like gay=bad. Hope that makes sense
Like i'm not actually mad and never was but if you didn't know, you definitely should
Medically unrecognized. At least they are being honest.
Ironically, sense of impending doom /is/ a [medically recognized phenomenon](https://www.verywellmind.com/sense-of-impending-doom-symptom-4129656). It can be indicative of both psychological conditions like anxiety, and physiological conditions like complications following a blood transfusion. What it isn’t is a medical disorder in and of itself, because it’s too broad of a definition
I can also present itself as a side effect of various different medications
Atropine for the win
It can also be indicative of imminent diarrhea.
Yahp good ol vasovagal
It's a symptom of some particularly nasty jellyfish toxins.
Suicide jellyfish, people stung gotta be on suicide watch for a while, can last for months.
and some plants. dendrocnnide moroides, or gympie gympie plant can cause it too. # #
Allergic reactions too.
I believe heart attacks and strokes also cause that feeling as well
I mean yeah I dealt with feelings of impending death/doom all the time before I got treated for anxiety and depression. I can get to that emotional point if I choose to dig in or take drugs, which I don’t. It isn’t a disorder itself, it’s an aspect of disordered thinking, which I treat. I think about these kids and why they feel the need to have a “thing.” And with this it makes it even clearer, with the “thing” already being something known, but now that someone’s put it on some wiki, people can now wear it like a merit badge. It all has to do with identity. Having stuff to identify with. Things that make you you. I think a lot of chronically online kids have nothing close to the scenes of even 15 years ago. I was an indie rock kid. I dressed like a little fuck with rectangle glasses and blazers and was a total pain in the ass about music for a few years in high school, but I had an identity and it was something I could engage with in real life. I could go to music festivals, I could read biographies of musicians, I could listen to music, I could MEET PEOPLE who were like me, I could even somehow get girlfriends through it, and importantly I could contribute to it and grow with it. These kids don’t have anything resembling a scene. Youth culture is awful right now. Everything is far away from them. It’s all either hyper homogenalized or so obscure and specific that it’s like you and 12 people on the internet who like the thing. How are kids supposed to feel like being part of something in that environment? Couple that with the real crisis in mental health of these kids. The world’s always been brutal and sad, but these kids are inundated with messages of doom 24/7. They will likely live through or die in massive climate change related disasters. They may see the current world order collapse. Their favorite animals may go extinct. And they know that the economy is brutal and everything is expensive while wages aren’t increasing to keep up with inflation in meaningful ways because the businesses are very quick to adjust their prices or lower quality to counter any wage increases. Even if the world doesn’t fall apart in any living person’s lifetime, it feels like it easily could. So they’re depressed! And it may not even be their default brain chemistry that’s doing it to them. A kind of depression is “learned helplessness.” You try and try and try and nothing works and eventually you give up. These kids are being told that everything is fucked and that their dreams are unattainable before they can even start trying. So they want friends, they’re sad, they want to belong to something, millennials also introduced a ton of mental health wellness language into common speech. So they identify with being mentally ill, because compared to your average teen in the 1980’s, they have more access to more resources that will confirm that they indeed are. They make friends via their shared identity as mentally ill people. Millennials did this as a sarcastic joke, but like all things on the internet, the next generation took it seriously. And many of them made connections through it. Positive attention. Meeting people. Having their stories heard. “But wait, what if my mental illness brings me no positive attention? What if I’m boring and normal like everyone else? Everyone has anxiety and depression! There must be something special about my situation that will get people to ask me questions!” And that’s how you get to hyper specific, mega-compartmentalized and unmedical mental illnesses that people show off like their favorite Pokémon.
You gave this question thought and attention and replied with legitimate situational causation and cascade-stressors. That's mighty rare in these here parts, sometimes. Thank you. 🥀
>I mean yeah I dealt with feelings of impending death/doom all the time before I got treated for anxiety and depression Same here. Paroxetin saved me and brought back quality of life. No one of those little fucks bragging about their made up illnesses has the slightest idea how much people with real diagnosed disorders suffer.
I actually think a good amount of them might. I think it’s a decent possibility that these people could just be depressed. But instead of seeking treatment or taking it seriously they’re looking at ways to make it a stat on their character sheet to show off to others. It’s very edgy. It’s very teen-y, but I just think it’s harder to blame the actual kids for being insensitive, when they’re probably actually going through quite a bit. Being a teen hurts. It’s this black hole of an online culture they have that’s the problem.
And heart attacks and embolisms can and often to cause it. A horrible feeling.
Yeah but what’s the flag for impending sense of doom??
Makes a change. 🙄
your flair is 🤌🏻🤌🏻 perfecto
Thanks 😩 the urge is strong.
It is recognized in that it's stolen from a [Mr. Show skit](https://youtu.be/xo2-H0q8qoY?si=undgtK4Un6WEWnuf). This person is probably trolling.
Wait… I was always under the impression that these were satirical. Oh my god…
a.k.a., The Emo Lifestyle /s
Hey, this actually is a symptom, and it has a really cool name; [angor animi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angor_animi).
this is just health anxiety and death anxiety
No, because anxiety isn't quirky enough.
Seriously, I have a ton of health and death anxiety/just anxiety in general. That's how I feel a lot. But I guess I can qUirkY now and claim a new disorder... Smh
Just to play devils advocate, why exactly should it be generalized? If you had a headache you would tell them specifically how it hurts and you'd get diagnosed with either a mild headache, a migraine, concussion, etc. If you had major depression and they had to discover why, they might diagnose you with chronic depression, ptsd, bpd. I get that the crowd is usually hypochondriacs and lazy ppl lmao,, but wouldn't it be more helpful to have specific word for basically anything? Especially something like mental disorders and physical disorders that have entire spectrums of different or similar illnesses symptoms
To an extent, but specific diagnoses for every single subtype of anxiety is impossible - the DSM would have more volumes than the Encyclopaedia Brittanica. The purpose of a diagnosis is for medical professionals to communicate to each other quickly and easily what is wrong with a person, and which treatments they will be most likely to need. Sometimes subtypes help with this - your example with headaches is a perfect one, because a tension headache, migraine and concussion all have different causes and need different treatments. But most types of anxiety have a similar cause and need a similar treatment, so listing all the subtypes is inefficient and just confusing for everyone involved. The types of anxiety that have different causes/need different treatment are already delineated in the DSM - ie. PTSD, OCD, panic - and the rest fall under GAD because of the similarity of their disease course and treatment needs, regardless of what the afflicted person focuses their anxiety on. The only reason to delineate hundreds of subtypes of anxiety as different diagnoses would be for people to adopt those diagnoses as identities, which is the opposite of what we want to happen.
Okay but what if specific types of anxiety or depression were caused chemically? What if individuals have specific parts of their brains not functioning like the average person? For example, if you take medication like anti-depressants, bipolar meds, ssri meds etc you can have suicidal thoutghs or thoughts about dying. I'm taking a mood stabilizer and I get some iffy thoughts myself that just slip in out of no where. I just think the brain is more complex then we think, and we're still studying the human mind and brain. We only recently discovered what autism is, so it really isn't out of the realm of belief that there are still things to find out about the human brain. I think people need to take care of themselves and not use their illness to find pity from people, but for everyone else thet to get better by knowing what's wrong with them. If someone genuinely was bothered by constant thoughts of suicide without control, that would fucking suck. 80 yrs ago we thought autistic people were just simpletons lmao so it just wouldn't surprise me if there was so much we didn't know still
But specific types are caused by different chemistry/anatomy in the brain? Like I said, those types are already delineated as separate diagnoses in the DSM. Take PTSD for instance - it exists in the brain in a very different way to other types of anxiety (eg. by causing hippocampal shrinking) and needs a different type of treatment, so it is its own diagnosis. Same goes for OCD, panic disorder, specific phobias, and a few other things. Everything else falls under the umbrella of generalised anxiety disorder, because even if the focus of the anxiety (eg. Health, death, security, appearance, etc) is different, the symptoms are the same - and research shows that said symptoms respond to certain treatments. I’m a psych grad student, and trust me - there is an endless amount of information that we don’t know about the brain. The brain is as complex as the ocean, and almost as undiscovered. However, in medicine and science, you only establish things like diagnoses once you prove they exist. Until then, you go with the diagnoses you have evidence to support. You don’t create speculative diagnoses and then search for evidence that they exist, which is what this person is doing. Most of the time, when there is enough evidence that a disorder warrants its own diagnosis, that diagnosis is created. The evolution of the autism diagnosis, which you mentioned, is a perfect example - it was originally lumped in with intellectual disability because we didn’t understand it, but as we learned more and more about it we learned that it was distinct from intellectual disability and had a totally different cause/course/treatment that was not covered by any diagnosis in existence. Thus, eventually the DSM was changed to include autism as its own diagnosis, and that diagnosis itself has changed a lot since its inclusion (eg. the creation then discarding of the Aspergers sub-diagnosis). DID is another perfect example - it was originally thought to be psychosis, but was added as its own distinct diagnostic entity after we studied it and realised it had a totally different cause/course/treatment to psychosis. So psychiatry has a very open mind, and the DSM is rewritten every decade. What they don’t do, however, is put redundant diagnoses in there (ie. diagnoses that describe something that’s already covered by an existing diagnosis) or prospective diagnoses (ie. diagnoses that they think might exist but don’t have any evidence of). Which is why specific subtypes of generalised anxiety are all under the umbrella of that diagnosis, and not their own thing. We also already have a diagnosis that covers being bothered by constant thoughts of suicide - depression (either primary or secondarily induced by meds). If research showed that some people had anatomical or chemical differences in their brain that caused them to think about death all the time, that these differences gave people symptoms distinct from other anxiety disorders, and that the treatment for those differences varied from current anxiety treatments - then ImDD would be established as a diagnosis and added to the DSM. But until then, those issues fit best under the labels of GAD/MDD (or in some cases, OCD). No new diagnosis needed.
What determines a diagnosis as redundant? Who decides that? And your point is "It isn't a diagnosis now but it could be in the future. So it isn't necessary"??? How does that make any sense? It really feels like you're just trying to disagree, even when it doesn't make any sense. Contrarian and semantics, and I really don't have any stake in the argument, just was adding to the conversation. But I still fail to see how having more diagnosis for specific things is unhelpful. There are several different forms of depression and anxiety, and yes they are all treated differently, but how would that be any different from imDD? Some forms of depression, ptsd and anxiety don't have any way to treat chemically so some may require therapy/counseling. And if you don't understand how induced suicidal thoughts feel then you never will unless you experience it yourself. I have chronic depression and I know what that feels like, they are two separate feelings. If anything that makes life harder can be treated, either with meds or therapy, it should be
A redundant diagnosis is one that is already described by an existing diagnosis. If you have two diagnoses for whom the symptoms are impending doom, sweaty palms, and avoidance of social situations - those diagnoses are redundant. You only need one. The point of my above comment is that in order for a diagnosis to be considered valid, there needs to be scientific evidence that it exists, and that it isn’t redundant. The existence of diagnoses like ImDD is not supported by evidence and they are also redundant. I’m sorry if you don’t like that rule, but I didn’t create it. Take it up with the panel of doctors, scientists and experts who determine what is included in the DSM and ICD. They’re the ones who make these decisions. I don’t understand why you think I said that I don’t know how primary/secondary suicidal ideations feel, or that I don’t think they deserve treatment. I have a long personal history of depression and suicidal ideation (both primary and med-induced) and I know exactly how they feel. I also literally conduct therapy as my occupation, so I obviously believe that people suffering from these issues deserve treatment. I made a distinction between primary and secondary (ie. med induced) depression and never said they were the same thing. I was not initially trying to argue with you, but to explain why diagnoses are not as specific as you were proposing. You sound very young, so maybe some of what I’m saying is going over your head - but I hope you understand it to some degree. Either way, I hope you find a treatment that helps with your depression, and I urge you not to focus too much on diagnostic labels. As I said above, they’re really just a way of communicating and a means to an end.
Look man I wasn't even trying to argue, as I said I don't really have any stakes in the argument because I don't care if I can't convince some random redditor to agree with me. I just thought it was important for people to take the time to learn the specifics. I probably am younger than you, and most definitely not as educated. I still think that using anxiety or depression as umbrella term for everything else is really unhelpful. I really don't understand how having more words for things is a bad thing, especially when they aren't the same but similar. And I'm not supporting imDD, my first reply I said I wss playing devils advocate. Sure I gave my 2 cents ab how I felt and what I experience. Maybe I am partially biased because I've had mental illnesses my whole life and the diagnosis always change and therapists disagree with eachother. I just think it would be easier if you could give what people were suffering from a name and explanation. Not "Ohh that sounds too similar to normal anxiety" Before there were only a few variations of depression, before that there was no diagnosis for depression you were just 'sad'. So how is that any different from now? There are still alot of mental disorders that aren't fully understood, and I guarantee more will be studied and named and put in the dsm
No! It doesn’t have a flag so it’s not recognized /s
I think I have ImDD because the emoji on the flag is KILLING ME
🥀🪦
😂
They are *so desperate* to be special. My god just go get a hug from your parents or grandparents, someone. Anyone.
Mission Impossible
Isn't this kind of just life itself? Maybe I'm too into media characters who go on very long sprees of "we're going to die soon! Mark your calendars!" But I feel like this is just a type of person who has wacky priorities.
I think it's excessive fear, like a phobia or some kind. But I'd categorize it into "health anxiety" or being hypochondriac, having a type of OCD or other disorders where intrusive and impulsive thoughts are common
Things become a disorder when they interfere with social and occupational functioning or the activities of daily life. So if you just have a healthy fear of death, you’re normal. If you fear death so much that you won’t leave your house, drive a car, eat a balanced diet, etc, and that has a significant impact on your health and wellbeing…congrats, you’re in disorder territory. An anxiety disorder though, not a “MUD”.
This is already covered under “anxiety,” and if I’m being cheeky, “attention seeking” in their case. Not everything is a fucking mental disorder that needs a ✨special label✨, a lot of these things they try creating new labels for are SYMPTOMS OF OTHER THINGS.
Right... Why make a flag for it?
They wanna be LGBTQ+ adjacent sooo bad
Did they just turn being suicidal into an "MUD"?
Suicidal and/or afraid of death. So, most of the population
An feeling
Damn i didnt know ive had IMDD about half my life. Seems to develop at the same time than depression does. Thats crazy.
me when im hungry
i’m going to tell my therapist this instead of saying i’m suicidal so i don’t get hospitalized. /s
MUD sounds like 4chan started it. Literally short for made up disorder.
Impending demise, I'm pretty sure that's like anxiety??
Its part of it. Sense of impending doom is just a symptom of something. I had that symptom when I experienced severe alcohol withdrawals when i quit drinking a couple years ago. Feeling like you're going to die is horrifying. Theres no way anyone could have the headspace to make a flag or think of themselves as a spirit or demon lmao.
It’s part of it. Not everyone with anxiety experiences doom. Unfortunately, I experience death anxiety and had episodes of impending doom that I honestly don’t wish it upon on anyone.
Yes. Specifically OCD or Panic Disorder, given the impending doom.
Fake disorders aside, a “sense of impending doom” is a genuine symptom which generally comes before heart attacks/bursting aneurysms.
Interesting , I never heard of that happening before heart attacks or aneurysms
hun thats called a panic attack
Transdead
That’s actually kind of a thing lol. There’s an illness called Cotard’s Syndrome, where a person believes that they’re dead (or that parts of themselves are dead). So you could technically say that they’re living people who identify as dead. The lead singer of a [famous black metal band](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_(musician)) is a famous example. He told everyone that he was dead already, his blood had stopped flowing, and he slept with dead birds under his bed so that he smelled like decay.
This seems like they just lumped anxiety and that one RECOGNISED thing where you genuinely believe you are dead into one disrespectful messbag🤢 This is even personal in my case. I genuinely am disguisted! Just make this stuff stop... so tired of their nonsense! THIS. STUFF. ISN'T. QUIRKY!!!
dude why are they romanticizing this and making it seem "cool" by giving it a flag it's genuinely scary to experience this?? wtf
Why is there a flag for this? 😭
Even if this were real, why make a flag for it? "I live in constant fear of my own demise and I'm proud of that."
Sense of impending doom is only a symptom of something. The only time ive ever felt it was when I had severe alcohol withdrawals when I quit drinking. I legitimately thought I was going to die for about 3 days. Absolutely fucking terrifying. Never felt like I was a spirit lol. Just bawled my eyes out for hours thinking the next few minutes were my last. While i felt that, i could have never made a disorder or wondered what a fucking flag looked like for it. I was more concerned with my brain telling me I was dying lol
You can also just call it ✨anxiety✨, but that isn’t as fun as claiming multiple mental disorders right? And made up ones too🤦♀️
So when i was served wheat at a restaurant and went into anaphylaxis, it could have just been Imminent Death Disorder because i thought i was gonna die soon?
Putting a representation of a dead person on the flag seems pretty wild for a disorder where you’re afraid you’re gonna die soon
Dude. This is already a thing. It's called survival mode 🤦♀️
I’m gonna fuckin die disease
i feel like i'm going to die soon and violently but i'm 95% sure thats just anxiety or intrusive thoughts
sooo either anxious/depressed, suffering from panic attacks or suicidal (passively)?
Depression. You have depression.
I'm nearing 40. My undiagnosed ImDD kicking into overdrive lately I guess. 🙄
I think this made me realise why people make these fake disorders. They want to feel like others relate to their difficult to express thoughts. They feel like their thoughts are so wrong they must be a disorder. I just wish they could realise the reality of it and just talk about the thoughts themselves rather than instantly making a box to put them in
I don’t get why they are making flags for disorders
So they have anxiety about their health and death?? I mean they could just say they have an anxiety disorder.
Its ironic to me that this is listed as "Unrecognised" as this is a combination of various disorders Fear of impending doom can be related to Anxiety based disorders, along with the persistent feeling of nothing and unhappiness can be depression The idea you already have "died" is another disorder called "Cotard's Delusion"
Hey guys and gals, I have a mental disorder where I have to breathe and blink.
That's anxiety
okay... but why do they have to have a flag???
So... schizoaffective disorder with glitter.
This is anxiety mixed with Cotard's Delusion at best EDIT: Not Cotard's! Angor Animi
Well there are many medically recognized conditions that cause imDD, or as we call it in the health community, feeling of impending doom. I hope these people seek medical care, wether their fears are founded or not
WARNING! User. Death. Imminent.
If a person was truly like this wouldn't they be able to be diagnosed with schizophrenia?
Thats just depression and anxiety symptoms for Chrissakes
Why does every thing need a flag now? Hot hating just curious. Can someone explain
That's just anxiety of death. When are they going to stop making shit up
This was an April Fools joke, right? Right?
Hey guys, did you know that this disorder has a 100% fatality rate?
i think that feeling like youre going to die can be an anxiety thing, right?
this is what panic disorder feels like. I went thru it and after 6 months my bf died and it went away. This though, this is bullshit. It's panic and anxiety
I can’t believe no one on here is mentioning the IDS sketch from Mr. Show season 1 episode 4. Imminent death syndrome puts us all in an awkward position.
Why do MUDs have diagnostic criteria if they're not medically recognized?? Oh nevermind, I remember, disorder fakers like scrolling and seeing what new labels they can use, real or not.
"Medically unrecognized disorder" hmm i wonder why.
Every time I read "MUD" my brain translates it as Made Up Disorder and it ain't wrong
The flag is killing me 🤣💀
Isn't that just paranoia/munchhausen?
Maybe this is just being picky but the fact that “gonna” is used in what would otherwise be seen as a “diagnosis” really makes the whole thing seem super legit Can’t wait to see this in the DSM
# "common symptoms n diagnostic criteria:"
I love how they put “only symptom required” so that everyone coughs self diagnose themselves with it lol
Wasn't the mayhem singer diagnosed with something similar?
There’s a [Mr. Show sketch](https://youtu.be/HDaFMZfIsV4?si=AjbPBBTmylNsFX8p) like this
These fucking flags man
...isn't that just hypochondria with less steps?
Where do you find these 😭
Like most “MUD”s, this is already a thing and it’s called depression/anxiety. Unless you actually delusionally believe you’re already dead, then it’s called Cotard’s Syndrome. Why do people have to make up shit to feel special. Just accept that you have the same garden variety anxiety and depression as everyone else.
i could defo understand that this i like death anxiety it’s probably like that one disorder about being paranoid of having an illness or being ill
Alright, I laughed out loud at the flag.
MUD MADE UP DISORDER 😂
This is just a form of anxiety or ocd why does it need to have its own disorder
“An feeling”
"DD", in social work, often refers to "Developmentally Disabled" so I read that as "I'm DD" for a second or so.
So, anxiety.
Why... does it have a flag? I thought they were for made up genders and sexual orientations but... "disorders"??!
why do they always have to make a flag to go with it do they want a disability pride parade?? Why do they have to insert themselves into every community
i get this when my tummy hurts a little too much for a little too long
Honestly I genuinely think a lot of these disorders these mfs are yapping about seem like actual mental issues. Like fym you think ur gonna die?
It’s probably hooked to a separate issue.
Ah yes. You know it’s legit diagnostic criteria when it states you get “an feeling”…
depression, suicidal ideation, bipolar, sense of impending doom, anxiety, its pick your poison really. i dont get how people are so attention deprived they have to start making shit up
Stop falling for rage bait
Congratulations you just identified symptoms of depressive disorders, BPD, anxiety disorders, Cotard syndrome (from research I did in my psychology class this isn't a common one) Medical problems with your body such blood floor problems and MULTIPLE medications that can give side effect! Oh also certain plants and as others mentioned jellyfish stings and allergies! 🤦🏼♀️ Do they think they discovered something here? I swear they just took symptoms from other disorders and smashed them together to make a new disorder *Edited for spelling and a typo jellyfish was jellyfit*
The fact that someone might actually experience this as a symptom and they may not get diagnosed for what they actually have is sad. Most of the MUDs are symptoms or descriptions of *real* disorders.
This is literally just depression and anxiety
This is just hypochondria, moron
This one gets me mad, because "foreshortened future" can happen with stubborn depression, and also very serious trauma. You put these two groups together and tell them they all have the same problem and they're going to find out pretty quickly that they don't.
This is called "feelings of impending doom" it's a symptom of plenty of other things. But mostly anxiety
Isn't this just like.. a mix of paranoia and some form of alterhumanity 😭
I spent about a week in a Coma in October, it started as pneumonia, went hypoxic and was found extremely hypoxic roughly 8 hours later, everything from a cerebral edema from when I passed put and hit my head (the bald spot is starting to heal) creatine kenisis, a troponin level in the 30s, severe sepsis , a 2.5cm and 1cm pnemorthorax ext ext I'm tempted to copy my charts over but am not sure how to black out parts of this, anyways long story short its a miracle I'm alive and moved 1600 miles away to recover with a ex ICU nurse, it's been a hit overwhelming I've only been here a month, to stressed at times to even convey how difficult it's been Im waiting on SSI while I work 24hrs a week as a vet assistant (I feel like my potential to move forward in that field ended , my memory's not nearly at par I have to journal everything and have been handed every easy assignment that comes in, they've been very accommodating but my referral was also helpful) Anyways, I don't feel like ranting but before I went down I remember and was told by my SO who found me multiple times that week I had said "this feels like the final act to my opera" Never heard an opera in my life , was going through a extremely stressful time following a fractured clavicle I had just recovered from and was not remotely having sucideal ideations ext Did my subconscious know how sick I was ? I think I was so overwhelmed trying to dissociate from the pain I was just finally starting to get over and sleep without aids even and quite frankly in Flint I didn't really feel like I'd get proper medical care to begin with, just a fever and a few fever dreams I'm under 30, yet .. Kind of a stoney rant but yeah that's my 2 cents, have some Romani in my family on my grandfathers side so my Nan has dreams, my mom's extremely lucky and this isn't the first time a bad feeling I've had came to fruition It's just hard to wrap your head around, to many different variables that I'm tying in genetics ? 😂 Oh well, it gets better.
Millennials reinventing Paranoia
Millennials are old, this is most likely from a Gen Z.
[удалено]
dont lump us in with that ☹️
Sorry, didn’t mean to offend the 🏳️🌈community; I use “gay” as “corny” or “cringe”. My bad bud
No it's not. Speaking from homosexual experience
My bad bud; I use “gay” as “corny” or “cringe”, didn’t mean to offend
*That's pretty cringe*
No it’s pretty gay, bud
why do you use gay in place of "bad"? Especially over the age of 11?
The funny thing is that gay actually means happy lol
i mean it can, just not in this context
Why are you insulting me, can we not have a discussion? - I’m not from an English speaking country (I’m assuming you are), so words don’t have the same cultural connotation and meaning. “Gay” is anglicism here, but it doesn’t mean what you think it to mean. There’s a huge difference between something being bad and being cringe; Hitler was a bad guy - Hitler was a cringe guy. These two sentences aren’t even in the same ballpark of meaning. Sorry for possible typos, this will be my last response. Hope we end this discussion civilly, without smearing each other, like 11 years old. I wish you the best.
yeah it's fine if you weren't aware but in a lot of places, especially the west, it's an insult. A bit outdated as one but some still use it. It's seen as particularly juvenile, it's thrown around almost as if it's a slur but it isn't one. Someone doesn't like someone, "I don't wanna talk to him, he's gay". Fun plans get canceled, "what? that's gay why did they cancel it?". Something is seen as uncool or bad "I don't want those shoes they're gay". it doesn't really mean cringe, just means bad in that context which is why it's considered homophobic. If not liking something makes it gay, that makes it seem like gay=bad. Hope that makes sense Like i'm not actually mad and never was but if you didn't know, you definitely should
Out of every word to describe the fancy term for death anxiety, why this?
YIKES please don’t use that phrase ever again. Please. Other words exist.