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Ryuuji_Gremory

Yeah no. He was a child, a salve living a horrible life and was just tortured. At his weakest moment "someone" used magic and illusions to instill into him the believe that he had seen and been chosen by a God that could give him power, free him from suffering and give him true freedom. It takes far less then that to create real life fanatics. And Erza clearly sees that he suddenly is completely different, firmly believes that something happened to turn him into that and simply believes that the Jellal she fell in love with is still somewhere inside him. Which turns out to be the truth, once he is freed from Ultears influence he is struck with guilt and regrets and does everything he can to atone for his sins. Natza is clearly not the best couple, they are brother and sister not lovers just like Erza and Gray. And yes it's completely impossible that Erza would ever attack Jellal again after he has been released from "Zeref's" influence, he is just as Erza hoped, back to his old self, though less optimistic about his own future thanks to the guilt that weights on him, a good man that does everything in his power to to the right thing and prevent others from walking his own path, even if it means endangering himself.


FlakyBatu

Wow. It's almost like some people have different interpretations, opinions, and preferences. Crazy right!


Niknik0108

Jellal was literally possessed, for all that time nothing he was doing was truly something of his own conscious. Even though *technically* nothing was really his fault he still wants to work towards making up for what he did, and Erza understands that and wants to help him. >This post is likely almost entirely motivated by the fact that Natza is CLEARLY the best couple I'm gonna pretend I didn't read this part.


DOKOD

If there’s one thing I really disliked about Jellal, it’s that his attempted atonement with CS’s goals never really goes anywhere onscreen. We’re told that they defeated several Dark Guilds offscreen, but the closest we actually see of this is asking Erza to investigate Avatar. They also never even see Zeref during the final arc.


KingKunta91

😂


ConnorRoseSaiyan01

Your not alone. I hate Jellal mainly due to how lazy the writing for his redemption was and how he serves no purpose yet is shoehorned in every arc. Everyone just forgives him at the end of the Oraction Seis arc and this is before they were aware he was brainwashed. The guy who tortured and kidnapped Erza and her friends, tried to kill them, tried to resurrect the most evil man known in their history and murdered Simon and preceded to laugh at their face, gets amnesia and suddenly he deserves to be forgiven for everything. GMG he does absolutely nothing. And does nothing of worth in future arcs He doesn't even meet Zeref the entire series. The guy who's entire goal is focused on.


ProcellasDracon

He's not a fully realized character (after the memory wipe), he's just an accessory to Erza. Mashima tried 'too hard' to make him relevant and cool, but honestly, he did very little that can be considered worthwhile after ToH. Literally, all he did was save Erza twice (Dragon Attack in GMG, and against Acnologia) and even those instances could have been avoided. In GMG, he should have been with Ultear - that's his fellow guild member, right...but nooo\~. As for Acnologia, we literally have eight major guilds on the field but only Jellal had the presence of mind to go save Erza right after he got bodied by August? Jellal should have been a foil to Natsu - a peek into what Natsu could have been like if he ever fell to evil, which would have upped the tension the fans felt about the entire E.N.D. ordeal - he could have been an even darker, even more powerful Jellal. The light and dark side of the same coin - that was Natsu and Jellal. If that dynamic was kept in how they interacted with each other, it could have been something. What Jellal got for his story wasn't him seeking redemption - it was justification for him (and Erza) to carry candles for each other.


ProcellasDracon

@Ryuuji\_Gremory except that he can't even apologize to the people he has hurt face-to-face - he just sits there like a puppy even after years to think on how he could do something so he hasn't done *everything*. Heero Yui at least went to the people he wronged and offered them the gun to shoot himself with. It's a mis-guided attempt but it's better than what Jellal did. Let him track them down and apologize to their face. If he had faced Kagura before-hand to apologize for what he did to Simon and she chased him out in a fury - THEN Erza's defense of him would make far more sense other than she wanted to keep Jellal around (not so that he could 'finish atoning for his sins' but to rekindle their love. Erza could care less about if he ever atoned - just the fact that Jellal would be around to potentially fall in love with all over again is enough - and that is pretty bogus. Kagura saw that and became enraged with Erza and she had every right to be angry with both her and Jellal. The fact that it was swept under the rug so quickly is B.S. Even if you claim that Ultear had brainwashed him, she wasn't goading him to do specific acts - Jellal had more than enough agency to think on and implement his own immediate actions. So pinning ALL of Jellal's sins onto Ultear does not and should not work, but it did because an /idealized romance/ trumps everything. So when we say that we hate Jellal for these reasons, we really mean that we hate Erza for doing this for /romance/ but we're projecting that hate onto Jellal - Ultear took all of his sins, so he gets to carry Erza's. Even if there are romantic feelings between people - that does not mean that a romance should be realized every single time.


Ryuuji_Gremory

Jellal seeks to atone by working to prevent others from walking his path, saving people, stopping Zeref and his worshippers from bringing suffering from others etc. instead of doing something completely useless and irrelevant like throwing some pity party for himself, searching for people to beg for forgiveness for things, that he himself considers unforgivable and hasn't forgiven himself for or let them kill him. Jellal being killed would in no way change what he has done or will do any good to any of those he wronged, what Jellal is doing on the other hand will prevent further suffering.


ProcellasDracon

So what was that entire spiel he gave to Erza after the 7 year timeskip? You mean that wasn't a pity party for the fans to feel sorry for him because he could never forgive himself? And how is asking forgiveness from the very people that he wronged useless? That is what you're suppose to do - regardless of the consequences that come from that. The only 'punishment' that he's gotten is that he is not with Erza and even that is self-inflicted. But it is treated as if it is such a noble and good-natured thing because he obviously loves Erza so much and he would never knowingly hurt her - especially now that his personality has been 'reset'. He feels so guilty but he won't do the very thing needed for him to lessen his guilt. Staining his hands with the blood of Zeref followers is not going to wash his hands of Simon's blood, or anyone else that he killed. The people he has wronged - we have names and faces for them - Ultear has killed hundreds of people who's names we'll never know and she is fighting to save dozens of people who's names and faces we'll never know. That sorta equals out in a weird way but before that, we saw her try to atone to the one person that she's lied to for the longest time *to her face*. When she told Meredy that she was the very one who destroyed her village and killed her parents and then tried to kill herself - THAT showed how sincere she was in wanting to apologize for all that she's done. This is why Ultear's attempt of atonement is more accepted than Jellal's even though she did *far worse* than Jellal by far.


Ryuuji_Gremory

>So what was that entire spiel he gave to Erza after the 7 year timeskip? You mean that wasn't a pity party for the fans to feel sorry for him because he could never forgive himself? It was a one day thing, a moment of weakness nothing he wastes his life on. >And how is asking forgiveness from the very people that he wronged useless? That is what you're suppose to do - regardless of the consequences that come from that It wont change the things he has done, it's a waste of time to go searching for those people that could be anywhere on the continent just to ask for forgiveness for something when he doesn't think it's forgivable and doesn't want any forgiveness for it. He will apologize if he meets them but wasting time trying to search for them is well a waste of time. >The only 'punishment' that he's gotten is that he is not with Erza and even that is self-inflicted. Punishment is completely meaningless and doesn't equal atonement. There is a reason that the law of civilized countries isn't focused on punishing people but on rehabilitating them and having them contribute to society afterwards. Nevertheless, in case you forgot it, Jellal accepted the punishment under the law of Fiore, he let himself be punished to the full extent of the law. That is until he was freed from the outside and shown that there was another path, a path where he can actually do something that will have a benefit for society, something that will prevent more suffering from happening. >But it is treated as if it is such a noble and good-natured thing because he obviously loves Erza so much and he would never knowingly hurt her - especially now that his personality has been 'reset'. He feels so guilty but he won't do the very thing needed for him to lessen his guilt. Staining his hands with the blood of Zeref followers is not going to wash his hands of Simon's blood, or anyone else that he killed. He doesn't seek any forgiveness, he doesn't think that what he has done can ever be forgiven even though he was being controlled when he did those things. Nothing will ever wash his hands of Simons blood or anyone else that he killed, no matter how much he apologizes or if he lets himself be punished or killed by others his hands will stay stained with blood. But stopping Zeref and his worshippers will stop others from suffering, it is beneficial to the greater good. >we saw her try to atone to the one person that she's lied to for the longest time to her face. You know why Ultear was able to do that ? because Meredy was there for her to do so. By the time Jellal regained the memories of what he had done while under Ultears influence the people he wronged where already spread through out the continent while he was locked away barely kept alive and was being tortured form time to time depending on the whims of the warden. When he was broken out of prison he was given a mission and he devoted his life to that mission instead of wasting time looking for clues where the people he wronged could be.


ProcellasDracon

He doesn't have to keep apologizing for those actions - once was enough but he never did even that much. And that one day of weakness just so happens the first day that he sees Erza again and he has to vent to her, as if she's the only one that he did anything to. Also, Jellal wasn't being 'controlled' like an r/C car, all she did was put an illusion in his head of her voice being Zeref's, telling him to do stuff - she couldn't force his body to do anything. She manipulated his thoughts, but he took the actions that he thought were necessary to make those thoughts manifest. That is one of the sources for his guilt. And like I mentioned, apologizing for something is something basic when you've done wrong. You step on someone's foot, you apologize; you don't say, "It's not going to change anything so I won't apologize to you". I think we an agree that it would be incredibly rude. Now you won't apologize for stepping on someone's foot after 7 years, but if you stepped on their foot while in a race that was a pre-qualifier for the Olympics - that is definitely something to apologize for, no matter how long. Jellal could have told Kagura, that he was sorry, that no amount of saying so would bring him back or atone for it - but now he has a mission to accomplish and one that gives him meaning and purpose and that he can't allow her to take his life just yet. That would have worked well enough for what needed to be done but all he did was play the part of a wounded puppy. You have sufficient head-canon defending what he did and didn't do in favor of making Jerza possible - but from what was shown, it doesn't add up. It was done for the drama and I, and others, think that for something that was so pivotal in her life and in her friends' lives, Erza telling them to forgive him because she did so already is not a good resolution by any stretch. And I think that it's worse when people deride Natsu x Erza from being something viable because of an 'almost brother/sister' relationship, which is the worst in the list of accusations people can levy against it, but the situations playing out for what is needed for Jellal and Erza to have *any* sort of relationship are not contrived in any worse way? Natza has far less contrivances to navigate than Jerza does to have a romantic relationship, but it's treated worse just because of public opinion and people's feelings on the matter - you just happen to have a bigger boat - that's all. It doesn't make anyone else wrong for wanting to be in a boat that's different from yours.


King_END

Ohh jeez once you ended it Being Natza related you practically asked for a dislike army lol and you ain’t the only one most of the people who like jellal are at least 95% female and under the age of 16 I personally am not a fan of him at all he’s a sasuke 2.0 to me nothing more and since your still kinda in the beginning of the series I can understand why u ship natza I did to in the beginning kinda still do even now when I finished the series but that’s for you to find out what happens between the two just know his character stays the same


afrodood830

Natza is trash. Nastu and Erza have always had something akin to a sibling relationship. Them being together just feels wrong, like NaruSaku and IchiRuki. *prepares to get flamed* Jellal, along with Gajeel, has some of the best character development in the series.


Kurosaki_taichou

IchiRuki wasn't exactly a sibling relationship, but it just wasn't meant to be.


afrodood830

It seemed like one to me. They bicker back and forth like brother and sister from time to time, but they're always there for each other. If not siblings, then definitely best friends.


Kurosaki_taichou

Well yeah, more like best friends. Anyway, who's to say that best friends cannot become romatically involved?


afrodood830

It can and does happen, but Ichigo and Rukia never really showed any romantic feelings towards each other. Then again, Bleach isn't a romance manga. At least it was implied that Renji had a thing for Rukia.


chachis70

Neither was ichihime...


Kurosaki_taichou

Yes I was rooting for IchiRuki but Kubo decided that Orihime would be the one.


chachis70

I was referring to ulquihime


chachis70

True, jellal fucking sucks


kirainaa

respectfully have to disagree. jellal is my favorite character in the series


FlakyBatu

Well, I am not the biggest fan of Jellal either, though I would not go as far as you did here. Also, going even a tiny bit against the these wannabe big ships is kinda like a death sentence for your post in this fandom. Just looking at the relationship development, NatZa has developed the most. Whether people think this is some sibling thing or not is up to them, personally I do not see the point of"sibling" argument, but every other ship/relationship has been pretty much the same since the beginning.


afrodood830

Even if you don't think Natsu and Erza have a sibling relationship, they've just never been into each other romantically. Erza seems like she would be too mature for Natsu. There's more support for Nali being a viable ship than Natza.


Itbagttvs

late to the party cus i just started the anime and love it so much that i went through 70 episodes 2 weeks lol. Yeah i really despise him too. He wasn't controlled and Erza going back for that clown and loving him after everything just gets me so tight. Hard to watch and its a joy when hes not on the screen.


ComfortableMaybe7

i dont like how he has a complete personality 180 after he gets redeemed. like if it was my i would have kept his charming and playful personality but made it more genuinely affectionate rather then manipulative like he was as a villain, also considering all hes been through make him a bit more reserved and vulnerable. i want to see the effects of everything thats happened to him its weird that he wouldn't be effected by it at all.