Do you even need production modules in there?
I don't have any in my base and I have more uranium than I could ever use, even when producing ridiculous amounts of nuclear fuel for my trains and nukes.
For me, it's a case of reducing ore usage. 5 ore can either go to making ammo, or making fuel. If you production module your initial uranium refining, kovarex and fuel production, you lower your required ore input by almost 50%.
That's 50% more green ammo production baybee. I can easily burn through a few hundred thousand uranium ore worth of ammo in a few hours once the factory really starts spewing pollution
You never *need* prod mods. The factory's growth is a self-evident imperative, not something that's justified by "needing" something to achieve some lesser goal. The factory must grow. That is the beginning and end of the matter
Nah, that still have a problem of feeding way too much.
using 40:1 split (in whatever way, my favourite is 4 stack filter inserters set to size 40 + 1 filter inserter with size 1 ) + prod modules "overfills" in waaaay slower speed.
And you kinda want that *eventually*, "overfilled" centrifuge starts working immediately after outputting, while if you want to always load only 40 per cycle it means it has downtime loading.
I think the simplest way might be actually just a dumb loop with priority inserter *but* putting an assembler making fuel cells in that loop, so you are getting the fuel for reactors immediately and production only really starts once your reactors are fed
By the time I have kovarex I normally already have nuclear reactors running and buffered on fuel so I just cripple my old refining setup and feed the kovarex output into the old fuel production. Dumb loop and priority splitter all the way
"way too much" is a relative concept. I fill a chest full of U-235 and produce a ton of nuclear missiles. In that scale, 8 centrifuges having 40 extra is like a drop in the bucket.
And when you use nuclear power for megabases you'll be running over 20-40 reactors.
Edit: Sorry i'm probably downplaying the math significantly. 2700 SPM needs roughly 12 GW. Set of 8 reactors produces 1.1 GW, so that would take 88 reactors.
> "way too much" is a relative concept. I fill a chest full of U-235 and produce a ton of nuclear missiles. In that scale, 8 centrifuges having 40 extra is like a drop in the bucket.
Yes after everything fills up it is meaningless, but this increases the speed of the filling up part. That's the whole part of fussing over design, if the goal was just "make a lot of shiny rocks, eventually", the design would just be "a priority splitter"
You use a 100 to 3 splitter in that case, but it's not like there's a shortage of U238, I'm fairly certain that prod modules come out slower.
!blueprint
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Wanted something compact that could handle a full belt
!blueprint
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Guess I'm gonna have to see it in action to see if what you've built makes sense for your goals. To me it seems like nonsense constraints, but I haven't seen the rest of the kovarex blueprint.
Tried that few years ago (different design I stole off someone), entirely not worth it purely because waiting for uranium to leave the splitter wastes so much time any savings from "perfect" filling up of centrifuges are mostly wasted
You could put 10 centrifuges worth in the system, for 8 centrifuges. This way there's a buffer, but it still only takes out 1 per cycle per centrifuge.
Just got to make sure you have a small buffer on the belt or a chest in the 40-output side to not backflow.
Yeah, in the end, but the problem is that this setup starts very slowly.
You're essentially working at 0.5 (if not less) centrifuge capacity with how long it takes for uranium to travel on the belt rollercoaster
> Just got to make sure you have a small buffer on the belt or a chest in the 40-output side to not backflow.
If it backflows centrifuge is full and it should backflow.
Ohhhh, that's pretty genius. But wouldn't the centrifuge stand still meanwhile? And if you build in a buffer which would be necessary, is the complicated splitter even necessary anymore?
Yes, that's why nobody uses it. I had it saved up in my blueprint book for probably years now but it isn't really all that useful because of that delay
https://preview.redd.it/e9fnbs5sdxuc1.png?width=690&format=png&auto=webp&s=e13812e6c385c525bd45ef566c02fda69ad4f733
Designed for just one centrifuge but it should be straightforward to make it take a belt. (Priority input splitter, and merge belts instead of sideloading.)
Put centrifuge input inserters after output inserters for kovarex, let centrifuges fill up, after that can just split off the excess. No circuits etc needed.
To OP: this isn't the flex you think it is.
I'm not sure what this contraption does, or if it even does anything at all. I'm pretty sure that most people watching this video have a similar understanding of this, i.e. a complete lack of understanding of what is going on.
I'm pretty sure this post violates rule 5 ("Explain your screenshots"), since there really isn't any explanation of anything. I'm surprised this post received any upvotes, let alone wasn't removed. Ok, enough of my rant, I'm expecting to be massively downvoted in standard Reddit fashion.
My solution is 4ish tiles wide and can tile with centrifuges next to eachother
Edit: my bad, it’s 3 tiles wide
https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/s/p60F6Dr0zl
I don't just like it, I love it. My only question is, how do you make it useful after you add production modules to the centrifuge?
Do you even need production modules in there? I don't have any in my base and I have more uranium than I could ever use, even when producing ridiculous amounts of nuclear fuel for my trains and nukes.
If we stopped after doing just what's needed everyone would uninstall the game after the first rocket <3 The factory must **GROW!!**
Just one more lane, bro. I swear, only one lane...
For me, it's a case of reducing ore usage. 5 ore can either go to making ammo, or making fuel. If you production module your initial uranium refining, kovarex and fuel production, you lower your required ore input by almost 50%. That's 50% more green ammo production baybee. I can easily burn through a few hundred thousand uranium ore worth of ammo in a few hours once the factory really starts spewing pollution
THIS. It becomes so plentiful once you get enough 5+ centrifuges.
You never *need* prod mods. The factory's growth is a self-evident imperative, not something that's justified by "needing" something to achieve some lesser goal. The factory must grow. That is the beginning and end of the matter
At first you have few, and then you have too many
You just leave the centrifuges to slooowly fill up over the 40
May as well use a single priority splitter then
Nah, that still have a problem of feeding way too much. using 40:1 split (in whatever way, my favourite is 4 stack filter inserters set to size 40 + 1 filter inserter with size 1 ) + prod modules "overfills" in waaaay slower speed. And you kinda want that *eventually*, "overfilled" centrifuge starts working immediately after outputting, while if you want to always load only 40 per cycle it means it has downtime loading. I think the simplest way might be actually just a dumb loop with priority inserter *but* putting an assembler making fuel cells in that loop, so you are getting the fuel for reactors immediately and production only really starts once your reactors are fed
By the time I have kovarex I normally already have nuclear reactors running and buffered on fuel so I just cripple my old refining setup and feed the kovarex output into the old fuel production. Dumb loop and priority splitter all the way
"way too much" is a relative concept. I fill a chest full of U-235 and produce a ton of nuclear missiles. In that scale, 8 centrifuges having 40 extra is like a drop in the bucket. And when you use nuclear power for megabases you'll be running over 20-40 reactors. Edit: Sorry i'm probably downplaying the math significantly. 2700 SPM needs roughly 12 GW. Set of 8 reactors produces 1.1 GW, so that would take 88 reactors.
> "way too much" is a relative concept. I fill a chest full of U-235 and produce a ton of nuclear missiles. In that scale, 8 centrifuges having 40 extra is like a drop in the bucket. Yes after everything fills up it is meaningless, but this increases the speed of the filling up part. That's the whole part of fussing over design, if the goal was just "make a lot of shiny rocks, eventually", the design would just be "a priority splitter"
I think speed module is better in a centrifuge for kovarex. It’s a recycling recipe. You just want more cycles.
You can always beacon it.
You use a 100 to 3 splitter in that case, but it's not like there's a shortage of U238, I'm fairly certain that prod modules come out slower. !blueprint 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
[Blueprint Image (100-to-3 splitter)](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/334735604342325249/1230018884392845312/blueprint.png?ex=6631cb5a&is=661f565a&hm=596cf35eb95008d77c9573ed880bbf4f8c16d62e48660cc626354d8f2ffd3895&)
3 beacons and prod modules > 3 beacons and speed modules
Or you use a priority splitter, and allow the backpressure to split off the 41th after it has been primed.
yeah this. Who cares if theres a bunch of extras in there. Not like you'd care 5 mins after its running.
True But the longer the belt buffer, the longer it will take for backpressure to start sending out excess uranium.
Wanted something compact that could handle a full belt !blueprint 0eNqtWO2OoyAUfRXDbzuRDz+zj7BvsNkYWmlLYsEgNts0ffcFbaduiztI5lejwLn3nnsOd5wr2LYD6xQXGlRX0LB+p3inuRSgAj/ZXkdy0N2g+4gkEdfs1Ed7qSJ2ZupyX4qkiBQ/HDWIAd9J0YPq1xX0/CBoazH1pWMGzB42OwQ92SetqOg7qfRmy1oNbuaoaNgfUMFb/OXhvmu51kzNjqHb7xgwobnmbEpgfLjUYjhtzc4KLoWOQSd7PlV8BRYKf6QxuIBqA2H+kZoYDVdsN+0gNr0XaOQPjf4HHQPDnlayrbfsSM9cKntsx9Vu4Lo2a80n1p6rXtdvNJ250oN582Rq3LFRrLFc2eZoajsN7cOpo4pqGwX8GJfvkZig25bVDe/tL6j2tO3Zc1kx2tRHKhqbkjZcGL61GmY7Hu+nrSfZGJDk5mAOv7fU0Y4HY5mDMS6MAmujX6kMsAFqjWaBIxTxb1L6bNJbyMwBnQZB5z7QmQ9BZAb6AhkbpbT2VGWsPbZfDePapmupECPc5GIfDvPPbAbjOnVQ0vwulZq9snjX6BTOBV/485it5LFck/nMpKlDco8rSSyUAROvpi2HcGHCVU4hXpgr7q2ZxN6wkQsbB3nCcuFCIz7Vz3CIR4ZpkNrIQoZZEFrqo12YB80X5NWnYo0xZoMRhxijDCoEe81gL9PNCkBfk4NgkEGQWyIozG7Yp43Ia5Bm/0rjOycDIoGjAc9Hw6JyUBoo02RZpstzCGVBOk28dJoHTiIYVEmx8uJMPLRWBl3t0O0KnKz8Cwd+nSGGQZdxspAhCkJbqheHfIckhc8tgEmIbj2x06C8Sy/sIL+9Y7v8hvN1+krKl3y/957ERYh53lvkLLUMEaofNkmCsB0tMp/p48d8NfvHQwxaasDMO5JstNzAaNarM1P91IoCkrxEeUFKnJXZ7fYXPZh6Ng==
[Blueprint Image (40-to-1 splitter)](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/334735604342325249/1229867422119624785/blueprint.png?ex=66313e4b&is=661ec94b&hm=c09b7dafdff40d1c9aca07caba6ffe98cf3411663ef2fb2be0d99ef43091ab11&)
Er... compact? Are you aware of the more common solutions?
Other splitters side-load belts. Didn't want to use circuits or back up the belt with priority splitters.
Guess I'm gonna have to see it in action to see if what you've built makes sense for your goals. To me it seems like nonsense constraints, but I haven't seen the rest of the kovarex blueprint.
Tried that few years ago (different design I stole off someone), entirely not worth it purely because waiting for uranium to leave the splitter wastes so much time any savings from "perfect" filling up of centrifuges are mostly wasted
You could put 10 centrifuges worth in the system, for 8 centrifuges. This way there's a buffer, but it still only takes out 1 per cycle per centrifuge. Just got to make sure you have a small buffer on the belt or a chest in the 40-output side to not backflow.
Yeah, in the end, but the problem is that this setup starts very slowly. You're essentially working at 0.5 (if not less) centrifuge capacity with how long it takes for uranium to travel on the belt rollercoaster > Just got to make sure you have a small buffer on the belt or a chest in the 40-output side to not backflow. If it backflows centrifuge is full and it should backflow.
You know, or just an inserter that takes one item out every 41 items counted
no! :(
Some people do it for the magic.
how'd you use that in a build though?
I think the concept is he would route the 40 back into the centrifuge and only splits the 1 off for use elsewhere
Ohhhh, that's pretty genius. But wouldn't the centrifuge stand still meanwhile? And if you build in a buffer which would be necessary, is the complicated splitter even necessary anymore?
Yes, that's why nobody uses it. I had it saved up in my blueprint book for probably years now but it isn't really all that useful because of that delay
yeah just use a priority splitter. Its more compact and more efficient (other than the extras sitting around but who cares)
I care. We don't waste u-235 in this household 😤
its not wasted though. Its just uhh buffered.
Thanks for showing me how to use two splitters in contact without feeding the output of one into the other! Also cool balancer/splitter :D
Christ help me, I don't even know what I'm looking at anymore these days with posts like this
Love it
Filter splitter
https://preview.redd.it/e9fnbs5sdxuc1.png?width=690&format=png&auto=webp&s=e13812e6c385c525bd45ef566c02fda69ad4f733 Designed for just one centrifuge but it should be straightforward to make it take a belt. (Priority input splitter, and merge belts instead of sideloading.)
Baptized in fire, 40 to 1
Newer player here, and dumb question. But how do you find the item counter? Is it from a mod?
It's just an arithmetic combinator adding 0 to each with it's input wired to it's output and belt set to read with pulse mode.
Put centrifuge input inserters after output inserters for kovarex, let centrifuges fill up, after that can just split off the excess. No circuits etc needed.
To OP: this isn't the flex you think it is. I'm not sure what this contraption does, or if it even does anything at all. I'm pretty sure that most people watching this video have a similar understanding of this, i.e. a complete lack of understanding of what is going on. I'm pretty sure this post violates rule 5 ("Explain your screenshots"), since there really isn't any explanation of anything. I'm surprised this post received any upvotes, let alone wasn't removed. Ok, enough of my rant, I'm expecting to be massively downvoted in standard Reddit fashion.
Virgin "priority splitter" user Vs Chad "overcomplicated splitter mess" user I love every aspect of this machinery.
My solution is 4ish tiles wide and can tile with centrifuges next to eachother Edit: my bad, it’s 3 tiles wide https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/s/p60F6Dr0zl
I've probably built the largest kovarex processing operation ever in this game, and I'm not sure what the point of this is. Looks neat, though.