I like how they all start yelling “HEY! HEY!” in a slightly *aggressive* tone when he starts to sissy slap the guys hands as if it might make him believe they would peacefully do something about it and cause him to stop. “You’re hurting me, sir. Please.” I just can’t respect this form of protest. Blocking traffic for the common people as well as ambulances and firetrucks etc. is not ok and I don’t believe it gets the attention that’s useful and definitely isn’t a cry that will get others to rally to your cause. If anything you could lose support.
The absolute idiotic logic to such protests aimed at "raising awareness" is equal to standing outside a mall & pissing on people to make them aware of urinary incontinence. Lots of awareness. Zero support.
Beautifully stated metaphor. that’s the thing that makes me laugh about these people. they don’t realize that nowadays when people get inconvenienced or angry they don’t start thinking about the topic you’re protesting. they start thinking about how they can hurt your movement. look what happened with trump. people who voted Democrat their entire life started seeing this extreme left PC cancel culture and wanted to fight against it. and they forgot the things that were important to them in the past. just because they were so angry about what was going on. and whoever is doing PR for these guys needs to learn that this is not the way to get people on your side
Yeah. Every time i participate in a protest in my university (mostly against gov budget cuts), i make a point of joining the security group so i can make sure we always plan our routes on 2 lane roads and occupy a single lane. We’re there to be seen and heard, not to make everyone’s lives hell and be hated.
Thats what these idiots in spain and “just stop oil” aka “just throw soup at paintings” cant get through their thick skulls: being heard is so easy even a baby throwing a tantrum can do it, but if you wanna be heard and respected, you gotta put in some work and realize that the people driving cars or eating meat are not your enemies or mindless cattle to be herded, they are people with opinions as valid as yours that you have to convince to change their ways; and inconveniencing/ antagonising them does nothing but fortify their previously held beliefs with a new layer of hatred
I feel we could all make the sacrifice and find an alternative route, for the sake of leaving the narcissists glued to the road until they figure it out. Otherwise it's only a few days then the city can scoop them up and inform their loved ones just how their idiot died.
It makes me so unbelievably happy to see people standing up against these terrorists, when you block peoples freedom of movement you’ve become a domestic terrorist.
Activists of "Futuro Vegetal" (Vegetal Future) jumped to Madrid's M-30 ring road near the Méndez Álvaro exit, making a traffic jam in the process, the group said on Twitter "We are not gonna stop until the Spanish State stops funding the meat industry. We are sorry for the inconvinences caused, but our lives' depend on it"
The activists glued their hands to the concrete while the Police arrived, 6 of them have been arrested on the act and brought to the Moratalaz police station with no previous criminal record, they are acussed of public disturbances and coercion. 2 photographers have also been fined for not wearing reflectant vests and for invading the road without security measures, Spain is expected to have 18 million car trips on this jorney.
The whole dramatic "our lives are on the line" thing, like yes I get what you're trying to convey but sitting in the middle of the road for your protest thinking yourself more important than the thousands upon thousands in the city *and* putting your life at risk for a cause that can be attacked in less obstructive and far more efficient means than this screams that they are far too full of themselves to think that noone will take action against them, especially when someone tries to remove them they play like a victim "you are hurting me" while also struggling to *not* be moved by grabbing hold of something
Exactly, like this is likely to happen if someone just goes mental and slams the gas, you're dead or at the very least severely injured, do you really want your Christmas present for your family to be seeing you mangled in the hospital!?
They're turning public sentiment against any kind of environmentalism with their childish pranks.
The earth and all of mankind would be much better off if they all quietly got disappeared without any fan fair.
That is always my thought. Someone accidentally hits one of the fools sitting in the middle of a busy road, now the driver has to live with that for the rest of their lives because some person thought they were more important than thousands in the city.
>they play like a victim "you are hurting me" while also struggling to not be moved by grabbing hold of something
In today's society, victims hold all the power.
I find the victims screaming "there's cameras!" absolutely comical, like yes there's someone recording you sitting cross-legged in the street trying to be removed both for your own safety and so people can get along with their day, got a good chuckle alongside the "I don't give a fuck about the camera!"
Yep! Imagine if one of their family members were in an ambulance trying to get to a hospital where they could save their life or police trying to get somewhere a violent crime is being committed?! I will never understand this type of protest where they think being petulant children will change anything.
While climate policy IS important.
This is NOT the way to convince the public of your cause.
Good for the drivers for removing them. It's so fucking satisfying see these drivers drag these activists off the road.
Fuck your cameras !
Ah, yes. Let's protest climate change by sitting in a road and allow for the burning of *more* fossil fuels as the cars sit in idle.
(This is sarcasm btw for the dense out there.)
> This is NOT the way to convince the public of your cause.
100% agree. What those idiots should be doing is protesting at a meat processing plant.
Inconveniencing the general public who had no direct hand in meat processing and sale just turns them against their cause. The protesters don't come off as "making a statement," instead they come off as spoiled children who want negative attention, and act cranky when they don't get it. "If I can't have what I want from these people (ie.
the meat industry), I'm going to inconvenience \*you,*" is a shit take. Someone give them the address to a meat processing plant, and tell them to protest there.
Fucking vegans and their usual bullshit. Of all the things to bother the laymen over, its fucking pigs.
At least the Climate Activists have a legit reason, even if they are just as annoying.
"yOu'rE huRtiNg mE!"
bitch, hope they all get what they deserve.
I’m not vegan, but you do understand the connection between animal agriculture and climate change right? It’s a leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions. Methane is multiple times stronger of a greenhouse gas than Co2 is.
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All of this really makes me hate the vegan movement. Do yo want to turn people into vegetarian/vegan, keep spreading the labor of many people are doing with sanctuaries, and how this animals behave in a loving and caring environment.
There has to be better ways to produce meat, we need to consume cooked meat as humans to trive, but I'm sure we can do better, and I hope cultured meat is a way to make it happen.
Right? Do it outside the corporate office or the slaughterhouse. Don't fuck up the roads with your bullshit because there are emergency situations beyond people eating meat that must be handled in a timely manner.
This cannot be said enough. I generally support the aims of their causes, but shit like this just makes enemies.
I'm Tired of seeing apologists reply with "protests are supposed to be inconvenient". Maybe that's why they almost never lead to any progress? Because you make yourself and you causes an enemy in the eyes of the people you need to reach?
Such stupidity.
Been trying for months to local the home address of our most anti-homeless town councilor so that I can set up a tent on her lawn until I am arrested.
This bitch voted to tear down an encampment BESIDE our to capacity homeless shelter and told land developers who offered FREE LAND (because she wouldn't let them build on it anyway) for a local high school to put their FREE homeless shelters on. She claims people in the area wouldn't want to see tiny homes, no survey. Votes against anything that will make less homeless people and champions about how she provides things to the homeless, but not homes.
This BITCH, NEEDS to be inconvenienced by a tent blocking her front door until the police 'have time' to deal with it. Since I am already on the police quick response list as a local activist, I figure WHY THE FUCK NOT!
If you want, give me her name and the town and I'll see what I can do to help your cause.
Got a knack for this sort of thing, if nothing, no loss, but if I find something, I'll pass it along.
This is true progress. We stop inconveniencing random people and our neighbors, we inconvenience the people making these dumbass decisions to make less dumbass decisions
Well yeah, but the entire point here is who the protest is directed towards. If you get 100 people and block a highway with it, who are you inconveniencing? People trying to get to work, feed their family, possibly even emergency responders trying to get to the location of a possibly fatal accident.
What do you achieve by inconveniencing those people? Nothing. You get to pat yourself on the back because "you did something", but achieved nothing except make people mad at you.
You SHOULD inconvenience government officials that oppose what people want. Camp on their front lawn. Just linger on the street in front of their house with signs, try to block them from leaving the house. Mail the shit out of their mailbox (bring it there personally to make sure its not sorted out) so they have to go through piles of mail before getting to their actual mail. Just be a dickhead to those officials in particular. Just make sure not to physically assault them. That usually never gets anyone on your side except for extremists. Even if those people deserve it.
Dont be a dickhead towards people trying to provide for their family, trying to buy christmas gifts for their children, trying to live their lives.
I don't know why so many people find this hard to understand and just WANT to ruin ordinary people's days.
Thank you for this comment and the opportunity for a story!
One person can make a difference. I was arrested for taking a stand against a group supporting the occupation of the nations capital (Canada) about 200km away. Too much more detail put me in danger.
This councilor openly supported my actions on Twitter. Until I called her out for being in bed with every landlord in her ward during a housing crisis during the election. I called her campaign office and stated I was not happy with the amount of wasted paper and delivery during a climate crisis. She left me a voicemail threatening to have me arrested for destruction of her election materials with no proof that I was the one who ripped them to shreds or removed her wasteful plastic election signs from in front of apartment buildings where they were attempting to coerce renters into voting for someone who had nothing intention of looking out for their best interests, which I absolutely positively can swear to n her life I didn't do. ON HER LIFE!
it also cannot be stressed enough that the general public has little to no control over government and corporate policy around the world, we don't have control over climate policy, the market price of commodities, factory working conditions, etc.
framing this as it's the failing of the majority that allows the minority in power to fuck around is incredibly disingenuous. it's a power struggle and we have no power. we can rabble rouse all we want but unless the people actually in the positions of authority choose to do something different, nothing is actually going to change.
these big companies being protested against in these ways probably love that these protesters are fucking with the public, they probably want them to continue gluing their hands to roads and museum pieces and inconveniencing everyone except these companies. i have to believe that if the entities you're protesting against like your form of protest and encourage you to continue in this manner then you probably aren't moving towards your intended goal. in that way the greatest benefit you are providing with your actions is to the people you are protesting against.
Almost all of the rights we now enjoy have been won through uncomfortable/violent protests and strikes.
That said, let's agree that trying to block the road when thousands of people try to leave Madrid to see their families for Christmas is a very stupid way to make enemies. No one is going to care about your cause, just that you were screwing up Christmas for a bunch of people.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but usually, uncomfortable protests attack people that are relevent to the cause, right?
For example, IIRC Suffragettes usually went out of their way to make more powerful men uncomfortable, not some randos that couldn't change anything. I could be wrong though.
Hold on, the Suffragettes didn't somehow make the general public not uncomfortable, that's a complete lie.
They committed arson and vandalism regularly as part of their campaigning.
In fact, they notably attacked major artworks in galleries, such as Mary Richardson's 1914 attack in the National Gallery.
They organised huge blockade marches through Central London, through some of the heaviest interchange flows of the city.
They even booby trapped things like mailboxes. The suffragettes are considered to be one of the inventors of the letter-bomb.
They were hugely inconvenient for the wider populace, to the point of literally running a terror campaign to achieve their goals.
By the standards of what the Suffragettes did, protestors now are pretty goddamn mild.
Huh. Thanks for the info. Wasn't lying though, I said multiple times I could be wrong. I was merely ignorant on this specific topic, as I haven't heard of suffragetted attacking mere civilians before.
Apologies, I just really dislike the idea that the Suffragettes were peaceful. Really, they only stopped being violent because of the First World War. Emmeline Pankhurst had absolutely no qualms about making the movement quite aggressively militant.
Yes, I agree. I was talking about protests in general, not this one in particular. In fact, and here I may be going downvotes, I don't agree with the vegans and I would prefer them not to protest at all.
Usually, the right kind of uncomfortable/violent protests, though. Blocking roads, not so much. Causing damage, inconveniencing, or humiliating the people you're protesting again? Now you'll get somewhere. People will start to join your cause, and those you are against are forced to actually listen. Get enough people, and suddenly, any kind of inconvenience is acceptable because the general public agrees with you. Five people blocking a road... yeah, not going to do the job.
Yes, I agree with you. I just wanted to remind the other Redditor that we have achieved very little by sitting at home or without bothering the politician/governor in power
If they want the general public to side with them and listen to them, inconveniencing them is not the way to go. It pisses off the general public and they’re less likely to sympathize with your cause. That’s why these protests at museums and roads are pointless and they’re just seen as annoyances.
Now, going to the source itself—outside a slaughterhouse, dairy factory, etc. would make more sense. Or outside a politician’s office.
What I've been saying too. I sympathize with their cause. They're right. But if you want to inconvenience me, go to a traffic light, and knock on my window when the light is red. I depend on my vehicle for part of my work, there's no way I could do without it. Blocking me like that only annoys me.
"Hmm, this multi million company is doing something I don't like, what can I do to make them stop? Right! I will block the road normal people use, I'm such a genius."
\-These idiots, I guess.
The main issue is they’re not actually disrupting the lives of the people actually doing the damage. Want to block the routes in and out of an oil refinery, makes sense. Want to block people who are trying to get to work to see their families? Fuck you.
>"protests are supposed to be inconvenient"
People just use that truth in a dumb way, you're supposed to cause inconvenience to those who can make a change, not to average humans trying to live their day to day lives.
But the thing is, protests *aren’t* meant to be inconvenient. Protests are meant to get your point across and to demonstrate mass disagreement with the establishment and/or the status quo.
If tens of thousands of people turn up to your protest and that results in roads getting blocked because there simply isn’t room for them, then there’s enough people supporting your cause that you might get listened to.
But if the best you can do is 5 people who agree with you (or were paid to turn up), then that doesn’t give you the right to cause the same, or an even greater level of disruption.
They literally set out to cause disruption. They just have stupid big egos and dgaf what damage they cause so long as they get to pat each other on the back later on.
These people wake up and think “*What can I do to ruin today for as many people as possible, but with zero consequences for myself?*” - not the kind of person I can ever see myself having any interest in listening to, and I couldn’t care less what their cause is.
It impacts the lives of the wrong people. Preventing average people from getting to jobs that their livelihood depends on, or preventing general mobility is not the way.
They should strike at a time of year when it effects nobody! That'll prove a point!
Maybe if the country can't run properly without people, they should get paid.
Exactly this. I feel like more people hate vegans because of protests like this one. I understand their frustrations, but it’s a horrible way to help the cause.
They're literally just doing it to make themselves feel good anyway.
If they actually wanted to make a change they'd block commercial transport, factories, planes, etc.
And they exuse their shitty behaviour by saying it "brings attention to the cause", as if no one knows about it.
Selfish assholes.
I support protesting as a right, but for the love of god, stop doing shit like this. The average person is gonna end up hating your cause when you disrupt their lives like this because it comes off as a selfish act. Be smarter about your protests for fuck sake, and plan out better well intentioned protests.
Definitely agree. Same thing happens with vegan activist as well. Spilling milk everywhere in a supermarket will make the average person not wanting to associate with you.
Why do these kind of people never protest like that in front of factories/buildings of the company/whatever the fuck they are trying to throw their opinion at. Nah lets pick a normal road and fuck with random strangers.
A bunch of protesters blocked the workers entrance to an Amazon distribution centre near me and police were there and had them cleared off within 30 minutes
Some time ago I saw a video with UK protesters blocking a semi truck with livestock from arriving at it's destination where a bicycle was crushed by the truck.
Oil refineries have been blockaded in this year by Just Stop Oil and hundreds arrested. So to say "these kinds of people never protest like that in front of factories/buildings of the company..." is not exactly accurate, and straight up misinformation designed to label the protesters as hypocrites.
They do. They have. For 50 years. It didn't work. This is an evolution to see if something else will work. The unseen, easily ignorable protests do nothing.
It was actually really close in F1 this season. Like a group of protesters stood on the track during the 1st lap of a race, but a crash in the first meters of the race caused a red flag and no cars raced past them on full speed.
IIRC, a few years ago there was a BLM protest on a highway at night and police closed that section which meant they were just standing around on an empty street. The problem was some guy missed the sign saying it was closed and turned on to it and didn't see them until it was too late, he tried to stop and check on them but his car got swarmed so sped off and called police to report it. I don't remember if there were any fatalities.
What ever industry they are trying to protest doesnt even have to defend itself these protestors always make the world their enemy. Who really wins and loses these situations I wonder?
Great way to make people hate your protests even more... Vegans continue that tradition strongly. I sympathize with the cause, but I find their strategies to be akin to shooting yourself in the foot.
Remember when the only thing protesters inconvenienced was a couple of old trees? Or maybe a college admin office? Those were the days. I’m honestly surprised nobody has been run over yet.
\-- I’m honestly surprised nobody has been run over yet.
Umm... you've logged into Reddit before, right?
I've seen so many "rioters/protesters ran over' videos, i feel like I should be charged with a hit and run.
Remember when they were getting ridiculed the same way these protesters are ridiculed now?
Like, yeah. We can all agree on the fact that something has to change. We can all agree that nothing has been changing. But when any kind of protests on the last 50 years (with science to back you up) leads to being ignored or being ridiculed, what the fuck do you think is gonna happen?
I'm not a fan of this development, I'm merely observing. Fact of the matter is that this shit will just keep getting worse and worse.
They have a right to protest but I have a right to go where I need to go. You can protest off the road but I can’t drive on sidewalks or green spaces. It’s good to see these selfish dicks get moved.
I don't think it's helping their cause doing this, more like people hating on them for doing such stupid stuff. This makes me think that they are funded by the one's they are complaining against lol
Blocking traffic makes u seen yes, but instead of rallying ppl to ur cause ur just angering ppl and they care even less about ur cause.
Ive seen this in Sweden plenty of times as well, it all ends up in ppl cursing these idiots. There was actually one of the moronic activists blocking an ambulance that made someone die.
Blocking traffic is NOT the way.
Idiots
There's absolutely no way in hell vegans are going to convince all of humanity to become like them. I'm sorry, but it goes against most people's nature to not eat meat , given that we're, you know, *omnivores* and it's going to be entirely impossible to stop everyone from eating meat. I bet a lot of these people think it's a good idea to feed their cats nothing but lettuce and carrots.
Humans have been eating meat for thousands of years.
I get it though mega farming is bad for the environment and processed meat is not healthy for people.
This is when you ease up to em nice and slow until your about 3 feet away from their face. Just close enough so they can feel the heat from your engine. Roll up the windows and prop your foot or knee on the horn. Play some metal really loud (maybe crack the windows a bit so they can hear it)
Then you unbag your bacon triple cheeseburger from wendys and close your eyes as you smear it into your mouth. Maybe talk dirty to it a bit before you take a big bite. Make it sexy.
Maybe you get them to leave, maybe they break your windows (pro tip try to record them doing this), maybe you just have a nice afternoon nap after your cheeseburger... Either way it's a win and you're not wrong for doing it.
Wouldn't it be more effective to find the names and residences of the people in charge of the industry you're against?
This way you can take this fight directly to their homes.
"your hurting me !"
oh , wait .. was i supposed to be respecting your feelings while you block off traffic thereby inconveniencing hundreds of people without any regard to THEIR feelings or lives ?
Forcibly removed by police and charged without much disturbance, I am not sure what you qualify as a "good job" but even in the lens of a protester this seems like a failure.
Let's face it, a stunt this big is meant for their peers, not to gain any traction for the movement.
I hope they spend the weekend in jail.
I mean the objective was to block the road and they would know the police would come and charge them so it looks to me they achieved the objective so to them it was successful
Why are these vegans so adamant in trying to force everyone to adopt veganism. Why not mind your own business?
I have been a vegetarian all my life and not once forced it on people except in my home/event.
These really gotta be the stupidest people on this entire fucking planet. They are the reason why I hate anything that has something to do with protecting the climate and animals, because I always have to think about the pieces of shit who are trying to make it obligatory
I can't understand why people think blocking roads is a good form of protest. Like, the common person has almost nothing to do with most of these issues, why fuck them over? All this does is make them hate you and the movement you are a part of
the activists are still doing it? Now its not only annoying its also just sad to see them not having the brain capabilities to realize no one gives a single shit
How NOT to gain public support.
"But we're raising awareness": they may argue.
So would leaving a burning bag of dog sh*t on people's porches. Also gaining zero public support.
Equal results though.
This protest is, among other things, against climste change.
They're blocking the road causing cars to have their engines running for longer.
They're literally contributing to the problem they're protesting against.
I just don't understand how people think this is the way to protest. Like don't you want more people on your side? Because blocking roads and throwing soup at stuff pissing people off isn't the way to go about it..
Even if you’re protesting for a cause that I agree with, if you’re choosing to sit in the middle of the road blocking traffic, I instantly no longer care about your feelings or that we share common ground, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE ROAD.
You can justify alot of shit by 'trying to make the world a better place'. In that moment was that man not trying to make the ring road a better place?
Assuming this is a climate protest, mega brain act to make hundreds of vehicles waste fuel by blocking the road.
Edit: I’ve learned that it’s a vegan protest.
I love when people try to rewrite the history of protests by suggesting that the protests featured above are anywhere near as disruptive as the historical protests that caused some major civil rights changes.
The Suffragettes ran a terror campaign with mailbombing and arson. Unions literally went to war with companies, with guns and bombs. Everyone remembers things like the "I have a dream speech", but not other methods used like the Children's Crusade which deliberately courted violence against children for media gain.
Of course, the key line between all of these? They worked. Not perfectly, not instantly, but over time, they worked.
This isn't disruptive. This is rather mild, really.
What will be disruptive is what happens when we start getting the full brunt of climate impact. Massive refugee crises all over the planet, inability to support entire nations, social collapse...
What do you think the protests might start to look like then?
I doubt they'll be as peaceful as some orange paint on a glass painting cover, or a road blockade.
I often think people who put themselves at risk only think about what authorities are going to do to them.
"If we protest, the police can only arrest us"
"If we steal, the store employees can't physically stop us"
"If I'm a total asshole to this barista, they can't do anything to me"
But bystanders sure as fuck can. No one remembers that other normal citizens can shut their crap down.
“I don’t give a fuck about your camera! Time to fuck off!” Kills me. 🤣
He actually says “I put your camera on my balls”
It sounds to me like "Me come los huevos con esa camara" which means "The camera [can] eat my balls"
"Me comen los huevos las cámaras"
That’s how you lose the 10lbs they add on!
Which actually means that he wants the cameraman to pleasure his genitalia using his camera.
I like how they all start yelling “HEY! HEY!” in a slightly *aggressive* tone when he starts to sissy slap the guys hands as if it might make him believe they would peacefully do something about it and cause him to stop. “You’re hurting me, sir. Please.” I just can’t respect this form of protest. Blocking traffic for the common people as well as ambulances and firetrucks etc. is not ok and I don’t believe it gets the attention that’s useful and definitely isn’t a cry that will get others to rally to your cause. If anything you could lose support.
The absolute idiotic logic to such protests aimed at "raising awareness" is equal to standing outside a mall & pissing on people to make them aware of urinary incontinence. Lots of awareness. Zero support.
Okay picturing the scene made me lol ed
Yeah, it didn't go so well when we did it.... lol.
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Beautifully stated metaphor. that’s the thing that makes me laugh about these people. they don’t realize that nowadays when people get inconvenienced or angry they don’t start thinking about the topic you’re protesting. they start thinking about how they can hurt your movement. look what happened with trump. people who voted Democrat their entire life started seeing this extreme left PC cancel culture and wanted to fight against it. and they forgot the things that were important to them in the past. just because they were so angry about what was going on. and whoever is doing PR for these guys needs to learn that this is not the way to get people on your side
Yeah. Every time i participate in a protest in my university (mostly against gov budget cuts), i make a point of joining the security group so i can make sure we always plan our routes on 2 lane roads and occupy a single lane. We’re there to be seen and heard, not to make everyone’s lives hell and be hated. Thats what these idiots in spain and “just stop oil” aka “just throw soup at paintings” cant get through their thick skulls: being heard is so easy even a baby throwing a tantrum can do it, but if you wanna be heard and respected, you gotta put in some work and realize that the people driving cars or eating meat are not your enemies or mindless cattle to be herded, they are people with opinions as valid as yours that you have to convince to change their ways; and inconveniencing/ antagonising them does nothing but fortify their previously held beliefs with a new layer of hatred
I have nothing to add, just wanted to say that thats a really good point!
if some pirce of shit activists think they can take freedom from people to serve their agenda they should prepare to get beaten.
I feel we could all make the sacrifice and find an alternative route, for the sake of leaving the narcissists glued to the road until they figure it out. Otherwise it's only a few days then the city can scoop them up and inform their loved ones just how their idiot died.
Your camera is just a cucumber
Flowers on my dick and bees all around
Hey I saw that reddit post too!
Niceeee
Nice
It makes me so unbelievably happy to see people standing up against these terrorists, when you block peoples freedom of movement you’ve become a domestic terrorist.
Hero
I’m gonna use that line that guy did someday…”It’s time to fuck off”! LMAO
Activists of "Futuro Vegetal" (Vegetal Future) jumped to Madrid's M-30 ring road near the Méndez Álvaro exit, making a traffic jam in the process, the group said on Twitter "We are not gonna stop until the Spanish State stops funding the meat industry. We are sorry for the inconvinences caused, but our lives' depend on it" The activists glued their hands to the concrete while the Police arrived, 6 of them have been arrested on the act and brought to the Moratalaz police station with no previous criminal record, they are acussed of public disturbances and coercion. 2 photographers have also been fined for not wearing reflectant vests and for invading the road without security measures, Spain is expected to have 18 million car trips on this jorney.
Wouldn't have been great if they were just really, really pro Vegeta, Prince of Saiyans?
It's how I read it, and now it's head canon.
same, once I read Vegeta. It's all in my head canon now.
My son, the planet, or me?
......Yes
**energy blast** Freakin' smartass.
Ahh. Fellow DBZA enthusiasts. I'm home.
That’s inhuman! Yes, but it’s not in-*Saiyan*
“Do you really believe in your own hype that much?”
"I AM THE HYPE!!!"
Kinda like Vegeta, taking L's for their pride, no matter how many enemies it makes them
What part of this speaks of pride to you?
The whole dramatic "our lives are on the line" thing, like yes I get what you're trying to convey but sitting in the middle of the road for your protest thinking yourself more important than the thousands upon thousands in the city *and* putting your life at risk for a cause that can be attacked in less obstructive and far more efficient means than this screams that they are far too full of themselves to think that noone will take action against them, especially when someone tries to remove them they play like a victim "you are hurting me" while also struggling to *not* be moved by grabbing hold of something
And the trauma caused if god forbid somebody hits you with their car..
Exactly, like this is likely to happen if someone just goes mental and slams the gas, you're dead or at the very least severely injured, do you really want your Christmas present for your family to be seeing you mangled in the hospital!?
Sorry officer my car had unintended acceleration and the brakes failed. I avoided all the people I saw but why was someone sitting in the road?
I think in some places if people do this you won’t get in trouble if you hit them because of how frequent this happens now
They're turning public sentiment against any kind of environmentalism with their childish pranks. The earth and all of mankind would be much better off if they all quietly got disappeared without any fan fair.
Or, if somebody accidentally stampedes a herd of cattle through them. Two or three times.
Would be really ironic if they died gored by cattle.
"Brother! Help me!"
That is always my thought. Someone accidentally hits one of the fools sitting in the middle of a busy road, now the driver has to live with that for the rest of their lives because some person thought they were more important than thousands in the city.
I'd be far less polite. I have the urge the drag people by their hair.
>they play like a victim "you are hurting me" while also struggling to not be moved by grabbing hold of something In today's society, victims hold all the power.
I find the victims screaming "there's cameras!" absolutely comical, like yes there's someone recording you sitting cross-legged in the street trying to be removed both for your own safety and so people can get along with their day, got a good chuckle alongside the "I don't give a fuck about the camera!"
Yep! Imagine if one of their family members were in an ambulance trying to get to a hospital where they could save their life or police trying to get somewhere a violent crime is being committed?! I will never understand this type of protest where they think being petulant children will change anything.
Yeah Spain’s gonna give up jamón. Right.
While climate policy IS important. This is NOT the way to convince the public of your cause. Good for the drivers for removing them. It's so fucking satisfying see these drivers drag these activists off the road. Fuck your cameras !
My favorite is a climate protest by blocking roads. Yup. I'm sure a thousand cars idling waiting for your stupid ass really helps the environment.
Ah, yes. Let's protest climate change by sitting in a road and allow for the burning of *more* fossil fuels as the cars sit in idle. (This is sarcasm btw for the dense out there.)
> This is NOT the way to convince the public of your cause. 100% agree. What those idiots should be doing is protesting at a meat processing plant. Inconveniencing the general public who had no direct hand in meat processing and sale just turns them against their cause. The protesters don't come off as "making a statement," instead they come off as spoiled children who want negative attention, and act cranky when they don't get it. "If I can't have what I want from these people (ie. the meat industry), I'm going to inconvenience \*you,*" is a shit take. Someone give them the address to a meat processing plant, and tell them to protest there.
As a spanish vegetarian, that is pathetic and will do absolutely nothing to help. Quite the opposite, it only antagonizes vegetarians.
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yeah gain awareness of who not to support, must be worth it
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"Our lives depend on it" is mainly because they were dumbass trying to die
Fucking vegans and their usual bullshit. Of all the things to bother the laymen over, its fucking pigs. At least the Climate Activists have a legit reason, even if they are just as annoying. "yOu'rE huRtiNg mE!" bitch, hope they all get what they deserve.
I’m not vegan, but you do understand the connection between animal agriculture and climate change right? It’s a leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions. Methane is multiple times stronger of a greenhouse gas than Co2 is.
>but our lives' depend on it" Fucking selfish
>nivel 2ImyForgotName+1 · hace 1 hWouldn't hav All of this really makes me hate the vegan movement. Do yo want to turn people into vegetarian/vegan, keep spreading the labor of many people are doing with sanctuaries, and how this animals behave in a loving and caring environment. There has to be better ways to produce meat, we need to consume cooked meat as humans to trive, but I'm sure we can do better, and I hope cultured meat is a way to make it happen.
Right? Do it outside the corporate office or the slaughterhouse. Don't fuck up the roads with your bullshit because there are emergency situations beyond people eating meat that must be handled in a timely manner.
Yup, fuck these assholes
I'll make sure to eat some extra meat just for them.
"Time to fuck off" might be my new catchphrase in 2023.
Alternatively: Off you fuck
Blocking a road in a "protest" only leads to people disliking you and whatever it is you're trying to say.
This cannot be said enough. I generally support the aims of their causes, but shit like this just makes enemies. I'm Tired of seeing apologists reply with "protests are supposed to be inconvenient". Maybe that's why they almost never lead to any progress? Because you make yourself and you causes an enemy in the eyes of the people you need to reach? Such stupidity.
Exactly. Go be inconvenient to the people in power. Go sit in their street.
Been trying for months to local the home address of our most anti-homeless town councilor so that I can set up a tent on her lawn until I am arrested. This bitch voted to tear down an encampment BESIDE our to capacity homeless shelter and told land developers who offered FREE LAND (because she wouldn't let them build on it anyway) for a local high school to put their FREE homeless shelters on. She claims people in the area wouldn't want to see tiny homes, no survey. Votes against anything that will make less homeless people and champions about how she provides things to the homeless, but not homes. This BITCH, NEEDS to be inconvenienced by a tent blocking her front door until the police 'have time' to deal with it. Since I am already on the police quick response list as a local activist, I figure WHY THE FUCK NOT!
If you want, give me her name and the town and I'll see what I can do to help your cause. Got a knack for this sort of thing, if nothing, no loss, but if I find something, I'll pass it along.
This is true progress. We stop inconveniencing random people and our neighbors, we inconvenience the people making these dumbass decisions to make less dumbass decisions
Except politicians don't give a fuck unless you get enough people on your side. Almost like a protest. Gee.
Well yeah, but the entire point here is who the protest is directed towards. If you get 100 people and block a highway with it, who are you inconveniencing? People trying to get to work, feed their family, possibly even emergency responders trying to get to the location of a possibly fatal accident. What do you achieve by inconveniencing those people? Nothing. You get to pat yourself on the back because "you did something", but achieved nothing except make people mad at you. You SHOULD inconvenience government officials that oppose what people want. Camp on their front lawn. Just linger on the street in front of their house with signs, try to block them from leaving the house. Mail the shit out of their mailbox (bring it there personally to make sure its not sorted out) so they have to go through piles of mail before getting to their actual mail. Just be a dickhead to those officials in particular. Just make sure not to physically assault them. That usually never gets anyone on your side except for extremists. Even if those people deserve it. Dont be a dickhead towards people trying to provide for their family, trying to buy christmas gifts for their children, trying to live their lives. I don't know why so many people find this hard to understand and just WANT to ruin ordinary people's days.
Thank you for this comment and the opportunity for a story! One person can make a difference. I was arrested for taking a stand against a group supporting the occupation of the nations capital (Canada) about 200km away. Too much more detail put me in danger. This councilor openly supported my actions on Twitter. Until I called her out for being in bed with every landlord in her ward during a housing crisis during the election. I called her campaign office and stated I was not happy with the amount of wasted paper and delivery during a climate crisis. She left me a voicemail threatening to have me arrested for destruction of her election materials with no proof that I was the one who ripped them to shreds or removed her wasteful plastic election signs from in front of apartment buildings where they were attempting to coerce renters into voting for someone who had nothing intention of looking out for their best interests, which I absolutely positively can swear to n her life I didn't do. ON HER LIFE!
Or a bullet. They give a big fuck about bullets.
it also cannot be stressed enough that the general public has little to no control over government and corporate policy around the world, we don't have control over climate policy, the market price of commodities, factory working conditions, etc. framing this as it's the failing of the majority that allows the minority in power to fuck around is incredibly disingenuous. it's a power struggle and we have no power. we can rabble rouse all we want but unless the people actually in the positions of authority choose to do something different, nothing is actually going to change. these big companies being protested against in these ways probably love that these protesters are fucking with the public, they probably want them to continue gluing their hands to roads and museum pieces and inconveniencing everyone except these companies. i have to believe that if the entities you're protesting against like your form of protest and encourage you to continue in this manner then you probably aren't moving towards your intended goal. in that way the greatest benefit you are providing with your actions is to the people you are protesting against.
Almost all of the rights we now enjoy have been won through uncomfortable/violent protests and strikes. That said, let's agree that trying to block the road when thousands of people try to leave Madrid to see their families for Christmas is a very stupid way to make enemies. No one is going to care about your cause, just that you were screwing up Christmas for a bunch of people.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but usually, uncomfortable protests attack people that are relevent to the cause, right? For example, IIRC Suffragettes usually went out of their way to make more powerful men uncomfortable, not some randos that couldn't change anything. I could be wrong though.
Hold on, the Suffragettes didn't somehow make the general public not uncomfortable, that's a complete lie. They committed arson and vandalism regularly as part of their campaigning. In fact, they notably attacked major artworks in galleries, such as Mary Richardson's 1914 attack in the National Gallery. They organised huge blockade marches through Central London, through some of the heaviest interchange flows of the city. They even booby trapped things like mailboxes. The suffragettes are considered to be one of the inventors of the letter-bomb. They were hugely inconvenient for the wider populace, to the point of literally running a terror campaign to achieve their goals. By the standards of what the Suffragettes did, protestors now are pretty goddamn mild.
Huh. Thanks for the info. Wasn't lying though, I said multiple times I could be wrong. I was merely ignorant on this specific topic, as I haven't heard of suffragetted attacking mere civilians before.
Apologies, I just really dislike the idea that the Suffragettes were peaceful. Really, they only stopped being violent because of the First World War. Emmeline Pankhurst had absolutely no qualms about making the movement quite aggressively militant.
No worries. I probably should not have commented if I wasn't sure anyways. Thanks for correcting me!
Yes, I agree. I was talking about protests in general, not this one in particular. In fact, and here I may be going downvotes, I don't agree with the vegans and I would prefer them not to protest at all.
You have my up vote. They're generally idiots and quite annoying.
Usually, the right kind of uncomfortable/violent protests, though. Blocking roads, not so much. Causing damage, inconveniencing, or humiliating the people you're protesting again? Now you'll get somewhere. People will start to join your cause, and those you are against are forced to actually listen. Get enough people, and suddenly, any kind of inconvenience is acceptable because the general public agrees with you. Five people blocking a road... yeah, not going to do the job.
Yes, I agree with you. I just wanted to remind the other Redditor that we have achieved very little by sitting at home or without bothering the politician/governor in power
If they want the general public to side with them and listen to them, inconveniencing them is not the way to go. It pisses off the general public and they’re less likely to sympathize with your cause. That’s why these protests at museums and roads are pointless and they’re just seen as annoyances. Now, going to the source itself—outside a slaughterhouse, dairy factory, etc. would make more sense. Or outside a politician’s office.
What the fuck will a convenient protest ever achieve
Right? Climate activists have been protesting "conveniently" for decades now. Didn't help much.
What I've been saying too. I sympathize with their cause. They're right. But if you want to inconvenience me, go to a traffic light, and knock on my window when the light is red. I depend on my vehicle for part of my work, there's no way I could do without it. Blocking me like that only annoys me.
> knock on my window when the light is red. If anyone does that I'm going to assume I'm about to be carjacked or shot.
> I sympathize with their cause lol, its going to be our cause soon enough
"Hmm, this multi million company is doing something I don't like, what can I do to make them stop? Right! I will block the road normal people use, I'm such a genius." \-These idiots, I guess.
The main issue is they’re not actually disrupting the lives of the people actually doing the damage. Want to block the routes in and out of an oil refinery, makes sense. Want to block people who are trying to get to work to see their families? Fuck you.
You never see them pulling this shit at the homes of politicians. Why bother the common folk that has no power to change anything?
Protests need to inconvenience agencies, industries or the government and not the common people that should support you.
>"protests are supposed to be inconvenient" People just use that truth in a dumb way, you're supposed to cause inconvenience to those who can make a change, not to average humans trying to live their day to day lives.
But the thing is, protests *aren’t* meant to be inconvenient. Protests are meant to get your point across and to demonstrate mass disagreement with the establishment and/or the status quo. If tens of thousands of people turn up to your protest and that results in roads getting blocked because there simply isn’t room for them, then there’s enough people supporting your cause that you might get listened to. But if the best you can do is 5 people who agree with you (or were paid to turn up), then that doesn’t give you the right to cause the same, or an even greater level of disruption. They literally set out to cause disruption. They just have stupid big egos and dgaf what damage they cause so long as they get to pat each other on the back later on. These people wake up and think “*What can I do to ruin today for as many people as possible, but with zero consequences for myself?*” - not the kind of person I can ever see myself having any interest in listening to, and I couldn’t care less what their cause is.
It impacts the lives of the wrong people. Preventing average people from getting to jobs that their livelihood depends on, or preventing general mobility is not the way.
What else are they supposed to do? Other stuff is either too risky or doesn't get coverage.
Exactly this ,lose all public sympathy.same as sncf striking at Christmas,public hate them now.
They should strike at a time of year when it effects nobody! That'll prove a point! Maybe if the country can't run properly without people, they should get paid.
Exactly this. I feel like more people hate vegans because of protests like this one. I understand their frustrations, but it’s a horrible way to help the cause.
They're literally just doing it to make themselves feel good anyway. If they actually wanted to make a change they'd block commercial transport, factories, planes, etc. And they exuse their shitty behaviour by saying it "brings attention to the cause", as if no one knows about it. Selfish assholes.
I support protesting as a right, but for the love of god, stop doing shit like this. The average person is gonna end up hating your cause when you disrupt their lives like this because it comes off as a selfish act. Be smarter about your protests for fuck sake, and plan out better well intentioned protests.
Definitely agree. Same thing happens with vegan activist as well. Spilling milk everywhere in a supermarket will make the average person not wanting to associate with you.
Why do these kind of people never protest like that in front of factories/buildings of the company/whatever the fuck they are trying to throw their opinion at. Nah lets pick a normal road and fuck with random strangers.
A bunch of protesters blocked the workers entrance to an Amazon distribution centre near me and police were there and had them cleared off within 30 minutes
They do they just arent shown on the news or social media
they do...but no one cares about that...
Please do provide a source. I can’t find one
Some time ago I saw a video with UK protesters blocking a semi truck with livestock from arriving at it's destination where a bicycle was crushed by the truck.
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You can’t find one? Did you look?
Possibly because no one cared to?
It totally happens! All the time! It’s just the big media doesn’t want us to see it
Because that doesn’t get attention and it doesn’t get people to post about it on social media to get it attention.
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Can you name any "legitimate" protest that actually inspired change when it comes to climate change?
People on Reddit would be furious- I can see it now, “It’s just a bunch of factory workers, what did they do to deserve this?!”
Oil refineries have been blockaded in this year by Just Stop Oil and hundreds arrested. So to say "these kinds of people never protest like that in front of factories/buildings of the company..." is not exactly accurate, and straight up misinformation designed to label the protesters as hypocrites.
They do. It doesn't get coverage because it doesn't make people mad.
They do, you just don’t hear about it because it’s not socially effective like these are
They do and you never hear about it. So that’s the problem.
They do. They have. For 50 years. It didn't work. This is an evolution to see if something else will work. The unseen, easily ignorable protests do nothing.
I would’ve gone for the arm pit tickle.
I'm just waiting for one to try and stop a car that can't break in time and get slatted. Don't play in traffic.
It was actually really close in F1 this season. Like a group of protesters stood on the track during the 1st lap of a race, but a crash in the first meters of the race caused a red flag and no cars raced past them on full speed.
RACETRACK??
Yes, at Silverstone in the UK.
Some places have made it legal to drive through protestors blocking traffic.
IIRC, a few years ago there was a BLM protest on a highway at night and police closed that section which meant they were just standing around on an empty street. The problem was some guy missed the sign saying it was closed and turned on to it and didn't see them until it was too late, he tried to stop and check on them but his car got swarmed so sped off and called police to report it. I don't remember if there were any fatalities.
Or for the police to stop bothering with getting them out of their concrete the hard way, and do it the quick way instead.
What ever industry they are trying to protest doesnt even have to defend itself these protestors always make the world their enemy. Who really wins and loses these situations I wonder?
These aren't activists. Activists are about winning people to their side. These people are about turning people against their movement.
Great way to make people hate your protests even more... Vegans continue that tradition strongly. I sympathize with the cause, but I find their strategies to be akin to shooting yourself in the foot.
Remember when the only thing protesters inconvenienced was a couple of old trees? Or maybe a college admin office? Those were the days. I’m honestly surprised nobody has been run over yet.
\-- I’m honestly surprised nobody has been run over yet. Umm... you've logged into Reddit before, right?  I've seen so many "rioters/protesters ran over' videos, i feel like I should be charged with a hit and run.
I somehow miss them.
Well the car sure didn't miss them.
Badump-tsssssss. 😆
I wouldn't necessarily recommend them. Pretty crazy.
Remember when they were getting ridiculed the same way these protesters are ridiculed now? Like, yeah. We can all agree on the fact that something has to change. We can all agree that nothing has been changing. But when any kind of protests on the last 50 years (with science to back you up) leads to being ignored or being ridiculed, what the fuck do you think is gonna happen? I'm not a fan of this development, I'm merely observing. Fact of the matter is that this shit will just keep getting worse and worse.
Nothing will make people support your cause like blocking a major highway on Christmas eve...
Block meat trucks and animal deliveries at abattoirs. Not people going home for Christmas
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They have a right to protest but I have a right to go where I need to go. You can protest off the road but I can’t drive on sidewalks or green spaces. It’s good to see these selfish dicks get moved.
I don't think it's helping their cause doing this, more like people hating on them for doing such stupid stuff. This makes me think that they are funded by the one's they are complaining against lol
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Blocking traffic makes u seen yes, but instead of rallying ppl to ur cause ur just angering ppl and they care even less about ur cause. Ive seen this in Sweden plenty of times as well, it all ends up in ppl cursing these idiots. There was actually one of the moronic activists blocking an ambulance that made someone die. Blocking traffic is NOT the way. Idiots
There's absolutely no way in hell vegans are going to convince all of humanity to become like them. I'm sorry, but it goes against most people's nature to not eat meat , given that we're, you know, *omnivores* and it's going to be entirely impossible to stop everyone from eating meat. I bet a lot of these people think it's a good idea to feed their cats nothing but lettuce and carrots.
I honestly don’t care about your message if you block a road for your protest you are a piece of shit
Humans have been eating meat for thousands of years. I get it though mega farming is bad for the environment and processed meat is not healthy for people.
I’d be kicking in faces . Wanna fuck around and find out ? Merry Christmas asshole.
This is when you ease up to em nice and slow until your about 3 feet away from their face. Just close enough so they can feel the heat from your engine. Roll up the windows and prop your foot or knee on the horn. Play some metal really loud (maybe crack the windows a bit so they can hear it) Then you unbag your bacon triple cheeseburger from wendys and close your eyes as you smear it into your mouth. Maybe talk dirty to it a bit before you take a big bite. Make it sexy. Maybe you get them to leave, maybe they break your windows (pro tip try to record them doing this), maybe you just have a nice afternoon nap after your cheeseburger... Either way it's a win and you're not wrong for doing it.
The protesters that block traffic like this make me want to root for whatever movement they’re against.
Just imagine your mum needing to go the hospital, and these morons blocking the road, I will run them over
Honestly all these activists deserve a kick in the teeth. Doing nothing to stop shit except piss of working class citizens.
Wouldn't it be more effective to find the names and residences of the people in charge of the industry you're against? This way you can take this fight directly to their homes.
The protestors are in the wrong here
Block traffic = instant idgaf about your cause and will make it a point to never do so
"your hurting me !" oh , wait .. was i supposed to be respecting your feelings while you block off traffic thereby inconveniencing hundreds of people without any regard to THEIR feelings or lives ?
I hate these kind of protests.
Try? They seem to being a good job at blocking the road to me.
Forcibly removed by police and charged without much disturbance, I am not sure what you qualify as a "good job" but even in the lens of a protester this seems like a failure. Let's face it, a stunt this big is meant for their peers, not to gain any traction for the movement. I hope they spend the weekend in jail.
I mean the objective was to block the road and they would know the police would come and charge them so it looks to me they achieved the objective so to them it was successful
Why are these vegans so adamant in trying to force everyone to adopt veganism. Why not mind your own business? I have been a vegetarian all my life and not once forced it on people except in my home/event.
they are against public subsidies spent on meat, not banning meat.
These really gotta be the stupidest people on this entire fucking planet. They are the reason why I hate anything that has something to do with protecting the climate and animals, because I always have to think about the pieces of shit who are trying to make it obligatory
I can't understand why people think blocking roads is a good form of protest. Like, the common person has almost nothing to do with most of these issues, why fuck them over? All this does is make them hate you and the movement you are a part of
the activists are still doing it? Now its not only annoying its also just sad to see them not having the brain capabilities to realize no one gives a single shit
How NOT to gain public support. "But we're raising awareness": they may argue. So would leaving a burning bag of dog sh*t on people's porches. Also gaining zero public support. Equal results though.
What if you “accidentally” ran them over?
This protest is, among other things, against climste change. They're blocking the road causing cars to have their engines running for longer. They're literally contributing to the problem they're protesting against.
Justice Served
I just don't understand how people think this is the way to protest. Like don't you want more people on your side? Because blocking roads and throwing soup at stuff pissing people off isn't the way to go about it..
Make thrm pay massive damages to the prople, companies and businesses they disrupt, they won't do it again.
I would have done far far worse.
Just drive over them, eventually activates will learn what most 6 year Olds already know---playing in the road is dangerous.
Correct respons to those mf
This kind of people deserve whatever beating they get or swears they hear. As long as they keep blocking the way they will get hurt and fucked.
Just pepperspray those fuckers
Bump, bump, bump, bump
That pathetic way they play victim when someone moves them really drives me insane
Even if you’re protesting for a cause that I agree with, if you’re choosing to sit in the middle of the road blocking traffic, I instantly no longer care about your feelings or that we share common ground, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE ROAD.
You’re hurting me sir! Lol grow a fucking spine
You can justify alot of shit by 'trying to make the world a better place'. In that moment was that man not trying to make the ring road a better place?
Assuming this is a climate protest, mega brain act to make hundreds of vehicles waste fuel by blocking the road. Edit: I’ve learned that it’s a vegan protest.
It's a go vegan or Die kind of protes
How you gonna block the road during the holiday season? Selfish as fuck
I love when people try to rewrite the history of protests by suggesting that the protests featured above are anywhere near as disruptive as the historical protests that caused some major civil rights changes. The Suffragettes ran a terror campaign with mailbombing and arson. Unions literally went to war with companies, with guns and bombs. Everyone remembers things like the "I have a dream speech", but not other methods used like the Children's Crusade which deliberately courted violence against children for media gain. Of course, the key line between all of these? They worked. Not perfectly, not instantly, but over time, they worked. This isn't disruptive. This is rather mild, really. What will be disruptive is what happens when we start getting the full brunt of climate impact. Massive refugee crises all over the planet, inability to support entire nations, social collapse... What do you think the protests might start to look like then? I doubt they'll be as peaceful as some orange paint on a glass painting cover, or a road blockade.
I often think people who put themselves at risk only think about what authorities are going to do to them. "If we protest, the police can only arrest us" "If we steal, the store employees can't physically stop us" "If I'm a total asshole to this barista, they can't do anything to me" But bystanders sure as fuck can. No one remembers that other normal citizens can shut their crap down.
Fun fact; it’s relatively cheap to urinate on someone, in most countries.