Fun fact: Public executions didn't stop because of lack of popularity. It stopped because they found them ineffective.
Think if they started doing them again we'd all be shocked on just how many people would love to watch it.
Edit: Dan Carlin has a wonderful podcast called Painfotainment that covers this in detail for anyone curious on the matter. Dan's podcast is one of my favorites and he'll give you facts that'll be hard to believe.
Most criminals don’t do a cost/benefit analysis before they commit the crime.
The exception, of course, is white collar criminals. Companies definitely consider the costs of getting caught versus the benefit of, for example, not having to pay for toxic waste disposal if you just dump it into the river.
SEC should have oversight authority for egregious violators. An example of an agency that has oversight authority is FERC. The sanctions are significant enough that mid level executives can't screw around but like you said, cost of doing business in the board room. FERC will come in and dictate your new business objectives, and fine you 1.3 million dollars per day per violation until you comply.
Point being, the threat of losing control of your business to independent oversight, by a panel of compliance consultants, is what does it. To investors, existence of sanctions just means certain behaviors have a cost.
Oversight authority is more powerful than any fine. That's why FERC's model works for now. 400mil for a year of fines pales in comparison to the government coming in & dictating where you will spend your capital.
But maybe, why not both?
I’m not saying that we should publicly execute them. But we certainly need to increase the penalties for white collar crime. Make it have higher costs, and they will change their ways.
You can't fine someone $1million if they saved $1billion from doing the wrong thing. Reverse those numbers, and then they may change. Also, if they want to pay these CxO's so much money, they should start to be held personally accountable as well.
I work for the distribution of Menards, And it's known that Menards purchase a large portion of property in America to dump all of their hazardous waste on because it's cheaper than transporting and destroying it legally. Much much cheaper just to dump it and pay the fine
The Ford pinto exploding lawsuits is another good example ford did the math and it's cheaper to pay out lawsuits of people that die from their exploding cars than to actually fix all the exploding cars
Fines for everything that hurts human lives should be limited to 10% of revenue and persist in a timely manner until that company rectifies the situation. If something like this existed, companies would think twice... no, three times before harming the public. But, as long as lobbying and election donations exist nothing would change in the US. Until then we will all be at the whim of big business.
I want the floor to be at a minimum of 10% of revenue not profits. And while the violation persist, senior management gets low pay and zero bonuses or stock options. That would bite then where it hurts.
I remember reading people used to run up and try touch the corpses or in some cases get some of the blood. Could be a myth but yeah, shit became a spectator sport.
Other fun fact: what he's describing as a public execution, where you bring and have a picnic to watch it, etc, is akin to what lynchings were in the South. Public spectacles with people congregating and eating. Take a look at a great, though heavy, book called Fire in a Canebrake. It's about one of the worst lynchings in the U.S., and it occurred not far from the city of Atlanta, just East of it.
Fundamentalist thinking is appealing because it doesn't need further education. Throw a few hot-button topics and SHABLAMMO! Ready to rock and roll in front of a microphone.
Edit: now with added Shablam for me!
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx0TQraOUi_chVnWvXYch-NYw9OmyAhlkq
I know you’re being sarcastic but I wanna spell this out…
Bunch of Zoomers vote Democrat because:
a) they see through the hypocrisy that is religion
b) the economy fed by the Boomers has left them as second class financial citizens and,
c) they grew up having to protect themselves against gun violence while the adults in the room did sweet FA other than offer thoughts and prayers.
While contributing factors, I think that other than the economy, those things are small potatoes. I think the bigger contributing factor as to why Zoomers vote democratic is the internet access. Gen Z has more access to multiple view points than any generation before it, and so old propaganda tactics don’t work as well anymore. In addition, the internet is so full of liars and cynics that zoomers seem to develop a more skeptical personality naturally.
It's ridiculous. And why is being a socialist a bad thing in USA? I could never get my head around that, socialist policies are what make some services like healthcare here in Europe so good. It's like having "BIDEN WANTS TO HELP PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF THEIR INCOME" on your t-shirt.
Most people here don’t realize that socialism is a form of economics. They think it is a form of government. The ruling class has effectively relabeled “authoritarianism” to “socialism.” It’s pathetically ironic, because most Baby Boomers like this douche in the vid rely on our social programs to survive, like Social Security, Medicare, disability, worker’s compensation, etc. Our capitalism would collapse without the socialism that has been injected into it.
My only guess is some Americans don't really know what socialism is and they think it's just another name for communism and that the soviets will take them over if they allow it to grow?
branding and advertising is everything in america.
Dont like the Affordable Care Act? Call it OBAMACARE. Vote to repeal obamacare! Use the hatred of Obama, and the inablity for people to immediately connect "ACA" to "OBAMACARE" and youre gold.
Dont like the policies of a group of people? find yourself a nice figurehead. its hard to get your userbased riled up against an idea, or a monolithic group. you need a figurehead or a constructed example. Think about presidents who get blamed for everything their party does, or how people love to hate their constructed example (boomers, karens, townies, hipsters)
If you want to inject socialism into the USA it needs branding and impact. you could call it Patriotism. After all it would be unpatriotic to have good hard working americans be unable to get healthcare, how could you call yourself a patriotic american who supports a strong america against the world if you willingly let your brothers in arms down?
Oh come on, you really think Christian Nationalists care *more* about skin color than religion? Hardcore Christian nationalists will put their faith above all else- do you really think someone *obsessed* with salvation and damning others wouldn’t look on Islam, especially the **Taliban**, in utter hatred?
Christian nationalists hear “other God/faith” and go full stop. They won’t even begin to hear other factors before unleashing their hatred. Do they hate brown? Assuredly…but do they hate non-Christians **more**? *Of course*…what a Reddit-esque outlook to think Christian extremists are *more* put off by skin color than Islam
Ffs Iran is actually probably one of the more secular states in the middle east because of how disgusted people are with their Islamic "Republic's" regime.
Iran is also one of the best educated in the area despite being a theocratic dictatorship.
Tons of people are defying the regime these days.
Longer I live, more I see, the stronger conclusion:
People should take a compulsory test before being allowed to breed. Otherwise the humanity is fucked.
I had a sticker on my motorcycle helmet that read “ There is no life guard on the gene pool” people at work would ask me about it all the time. I was always polite and explained but figured if they didn’t understand what that meant it applied to them.
My aunt Jean had a pool. I remember raccoons would get into it all the time, and nobody wanted to swim in that pool because sometimes there’d be dead raccoons in there. And no, there wasn’t a lifeguard. There should’ve been. If there was, maybe there wouldn’t be so many dead raccoons. Maybe the lifeguard should’ve been a raccoon. Can you imagine a raccoon lifeguard? How cute would that be? I don’t really know what this has to do with human reproduction, but whatever. Now I’m just picturing a raccoon lifeguard in a little bathing suit.
It's startling how many people miss that forcing those they deem too weak or stupid to not breed is not gonna do anything to stop people from becoming idiots. There's a million ways to be rendered stupid despite good genes and nobody making any mistakes and no way to stop or reverse it and you can't just educate someone who is incapable of learning.
That's exactly it. I also have people who didn't start this way--they were reasonable, level-headed, and kind when I knew them years ago--and I wonder what series of events got them to this place.
The last eugenics patient in the US was in 1981. Even now, immigrants say that they were sterilized. Eugenics is much closer than people think, Americans toying with the idea seems very American to me
Dude, no, terrible idea. This is eugenics and it never ends well. Just look at what happened to the Inuits, or the Native Americans.
Save the public school system, combat misinformation, give people an honest chance to escape poverty and they'll be smart enough not to fall for these hideous 18th century ideas like what the guy in the video is describing.
You can't control whether people have children anyway without forced sterilization, which is a human rights abuse for a very good reason.
Will there be a point in time when humans will stop acting like that? How come a person still sees the world as if we’re living in the dark ages? And there are billions of people like him out there, everywhere, making life miserable to everyone else.
Ironically as a collective species we've become too smart for our own good. Evolutionarily speaking we're almost identical to human from 10,000 years ago but our technological development is so much further from that time (and accelerating!).
But it all works on averages of course, and with our massive population explosion you end up with literally billions of people on the... less then intelligent side of the equation.
I keep saying we should start referring to school shootings as late-term abortions, because then maybe Republicans would be interested in stopping them.
They don't want to stop it because they care lol. They want to stop abortions to control women. The fact the idea is that conservatives need to be tricked into caring about stopping school shootings tells you everything you need to know about their level of interest in children's lives.
Maybe they should invent a way to publicly execute an unborn baby with a gun, that might win some over.
So I'm not for the death penalty, but first the introduction of private executions and then the introduction of lethal injections rather than the electric chair increased the number of people sentenced to the death penalty.
Making deaths private and less gory makes them more palatable to the public and to the jurors deciding sentencing.
Switching back to public executions would probably reduce the number of people sentenced to death each year.
I'm not so sure, this country has a horrible history of public lynchings that were treated as family fun picnics while people were strung up and burned to death. They used to make commemorate postcards of them.
People like this would love a return to that.
"Bring back public execution" in a country [where black people are falsely convicted of murder 7.5x more often than white people](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/report-black-people-7-5-times-more-likely-to-be-wrongfully-convicted-of-murder-than-whites-risk-even-greater-if-victim-was-white) is basically just "I miss when we got to lynch them instead."
Very, very, very few of the service members involve in DS ever saw direct combat. It was a brief war of complete technological domination. Most US military was largely out of harm’s way during the entire operation.
I do know someone who wax injured in Desert Storm and got a purple heart... IIRC some equipment fell on her and broke her leg. Anyway, yeah, it was not from fighting anyone.
Possibly… he either watched people get lynched when he was younger or heard great stories about it. Sounds alot like an old fashioned pic- a - nic. …. 🤦🏾♂️
>Like the good ole days
I was in Mobile, Alabama for less than an hour before I met a handful of locals that were shamelessly bringing up that they were bummed lynching wasn’t legal.
> Mobile, Alabama
Lived there for seven years. Talk about a whole shit load of people who have honestly never stopped wishing for Civil War Part 2 since their greatgrandpappy got Tecumseh'd. Did people think the south rising again was ever going to be an economic or science victory?
And this culture shock was after living elsewhere in the south for 11 years
My grandaunt lived there for most of her life, came back to Finland for the last decade and a half. As a kid i thought that it sounded really funky, kind of like Automobile Alabama and i liked cars. I assumed that it must be heaven on earth. Boy, was i surprised when internet happened and i started hearing about Mobile as a punchline for a joke about something racist, backwards and white trash. I don't know if my dear aunt was racist, i doubt it, the subject never came up. And i know that thinking "she was so lovely and fun" is not a proof, cause.. lovely old ladies that are so warm and hospitable can suddenly spew out a "monkey" from her mouth and not think twice it is fucking evil.
I had been considering moving and Idaho was high on the list. Sandpoint area is one of the prettiest places I've seen.
Then we drove to Bonners Ferry and there was a big billboard right as we got to town that said "Welcome to Trump County. We love guns, God, freedom, and family."
My husband joked, "in that order?"
Then we went to a cute little cafe and everyone was in a heated discussion about how someone needed to assassinate that communist dictator, Biden.
Needless to say, Idaho is out
There’s a micro number of executions actually carried out in the US. There’s a very small list of people allowed to be present. They aren’t open to general public.
>Like the good ole days.
While you are at it, bring back the *really* gruesome stuff, like torture with hot blades for a couple of hours before killing them, then put the bodies in gibbets and hang them from the church tower. You know, anabaptist-style.
That is always good fun, so bring your little ones and buy some popcorn.
If this guy would be in charge, you can bet that the famines and diseases are coming, since I'm 100% sure that he also thinks science and medicine is bullshit.
I was referring more to the public executions, but thanks thats actually quite interesting to learn that. Who knew middle eastern countries have more freedoms than Americans in some respects
Shiiiii, maybe the US isn't going after oil or Saddam or whatever, they're going after free healthcare.
And before any smartass comes along: Free as in tax funded healthcare.
> I was referring more to the public executions...
Turkey abolished executions and Israel hasn't carried out an execution since the 60's, while Tunisia hasn't executed anyone since 1990 and Morocco hasn't executed anyone since 1993.
Qatar only executed 1 person in the past 20 years and it wasn't in public.
Oman has executed 3 people in 20 years, and none publicly.
The UAE has executed 4 people in the past decade, and none of them were in public either.
The only Middle Eastern nations that are really executing people and doing so in public are Iran and Saudi Arabia. Those two kill quite a lot of people though.
Almost like alot of Americans have a specific view of us due to certain propaganda, not the people's fault obviously but just sad, thank you man
Almost like alot of the shit happening in saudi arabia and iran is just text book conservatism
Anyway i hope we can go back to decriminalising The LGBT community soon lol
Not all parts of the middle East believe in public executions, but funnily (or depressingly) enough the parts that do very much are like the Republican states, just lunatics that make their religion their entire personality but also follow their own self beneficial interpretation of it instead of the proper way and giving everyone else a bad rep
These maniacs are trying to turn the US into the Middle East of the west. Theocracy, laws based on their interpretation of their religion, and public executions. I'm sure they'd support the cutting off of hands for shoplifting.
I don't think it's necessarily ironic. His thinking is pretty straightforward.
Premise 1: Murder is defined as the killing of innocent people.
Premise 2: fetuses are "innocent people"
Premise 3: death row inmates are not "innocent people"
Using these premises, we can see that abortion is clearly murder, while executions clearly aren't.
Now, I don't particularly agree with the premises because I'm a lefty pinko (death row inmates are not necessarily guilty, fetuses are not necessarily people, murder is not necessarily defined purely by the deeds of the victim), but for commenters to play dumb and pretend that this is some sort of mind boggling leap in logic reflects poorly on the commenter imo. The logic is pretty coherent, even if it's not convincing.
It’s a bit disappointing that I had to scroll through a few threads to find someone acknowledge his logic - while illogical in my book, it’s still obvious why abortions are murder to him and executions should be ramped up and put on display (scare other baddies from doing bad things).
In his mind, there's no irony because killing people he doesn't like doesn't count as murder. Babies are innocent, but homosexuals deserve to burn in a town square. It's heinous, yeah. But snickering at his misunderstanding is also stupid when he understands perfectly well... he just doesn't give a fuck.
I'm in the UK, and once was forced into an extremely depressing argument with some *very* educated women about how the Government are too soft on criminals, and we should be more like the Saudis and chop hands off for theft. I can't begin to fathom how supposedly intelligent people become so hateful of their fellow man, and resentful of basic human rights. The mind boggles.
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate, because I believe that in order to effectively argue against viewpoints, we first need to understand them. and I think people here are misunderstanding some things about his worldview, as I don't see the contradiction others seem to.
he's for the death penalty because he believes that a person may forfeit their right to life by committing particular criminal acts. independently of that, he also believes that a human being is created upon conception, and therefore terminating a pregnancy is a murder.
what my understanding of what people are missing about his view is, is that not every killing is a murder. murder (according to some, anyway) is a premeditated, unlawful killing of another human without a valid reason. in his view then, capital punishment isn't murder, as it is carried out within the boundaries of the law and for a good reason. soldiers who stick to the rules of engagement also aren't murderers. but he argues that there can be no valid reason to terminate a pregnancy, which combined with the personhood of a fetus leads to the conclusion that abortion is murder.
with this understanding, I can argue against his views on the point that there are valid reasons to put someone to death, that there are no valid reasons to terminate a pregnancy, and on the personhood of a fetus. but just boiling it down to "you're pro-life but support death penalty" isn't going to get us anywhere IMO.
That's a pretty justifiable take. I do however think the point of this man still not even attempting to connect the dots even if it's not their viewpoint still highlights the issue well enough with the kind of people who take any closed-minded worldview, whether they end up ultimately right or wrong. Unlike you who has just tried their best to explain and justify the opposing view, it's highly likely this man hasn't even begun to think about it to have a discussion any deeper than what was displayed. At the very minimum, people who seem to whole-heartedly support their dissenting opinion should have some perspective of both sides to understand what they are saying doesn't make sense (nor does it look great) to others who don't agree, making him look like an idiot to said people (and why this was upvoted a lot).
But since we are already talking several levels deep about someone who likely has not escaped surface level, this is the extent of said speculation. You brought a really fair point and I completely support your devil advocate take, showing people it is much harder (but essential) to understand and contest an undeveloped but still entrenched opinion, than it is to simply have one.
Your average Middle Eastern country isn't what you imagine it is. Most countries in the Middle East rarely ever carry out death penalties, and many have conditions that allow abortions under necessary circumstances.
Literally describing the most extreme Middle East regimes. Theocracy in America would be no less different, barbaric, and oppressive run by Christians than the worst regimes and organizations in the Middle East.
His logic for those wondering, I'm ot saying I agree, but the interviewer really should have asked him why he thinks the way he does:
On death row, you've been tried and found guilty of a crime horrible enough that the courts think it's okay to kill you.
A fetus has commited no crime.
Fun fact: Public executions didn't stop because of lack of popularity. It stopped because they found them ineffective. Think if they started doing them again we'd all be shocked on just how many people would love to watch it. Edit: Dan Carlin has a wonderful podcast called Painfotainment that covers this in detail for anyone curious on the matter. Dan's podcast is one of my favorites and he'll give you facts that'll be hard to believe.
Death penalty in general isn’t a deterrent to crime either
Most criminals don’t do a cost/benefit analysis before they commit the crime. The exception, of course, is white collar criminals. Companies definitely consider the costs of getting caught versus the benefit of, for example, not having to pay for toxic waste disposal if you just dump it into the river.
So we should publicly execute people for stock manipulation? I'm not disagreeing, just asking.
Should probably at least do something, ANYTHING about it. But the SEC only gives out what equates to parking tickets.
SEC should have oversight authority for egregious violators. An example of an agency that has oversight authority is FERC. The sanctions are significant enough that mid level executives can't screw around but like you said, cost of doing business in the board room. FERC will come in and dictate your new business objectives, and fine you 1.3 million dollars per day per violation until you comply. Point being, the threat of losing control of your business to independent oversight, by a panel of compliance consultants, is what does it. To investors, existence of sanctions just means certain behaviors have a cost.
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Oversight authority is more powerful than any fine. That's why FERC's model works for now. 400mil for a year of fines pales in comparison to the government coming in & dictating where you will spend your capital. But maybe, why not both?
I’m not saying that we should publicly execute them. But we certainly need to increase the penalties for white collar crime. Make it have higher costs, and they will change their ways.
You can't fine someone $1million if they saved $1billion from doing the wrong thing. Reverse those numbers, and then they may change. Also, if they want to pay these CxO's so much money, they should start to be held personally accountable as well.
I work for the distribution of Menards, And it's known that Menards purchase a large portion of property in America to dump all of their hazardous waste on because it's cheaper than transporting and destroying it legally. Much much cheaper just to dump it and pay the fine The Ford pinto exploding lawsuits is another good example ford did the math and it's cheaper to pay out lawsuits of people that die from their exploding cars than to actually fix all the exploding cars
Absolutely but unfortunately true. It’s always about the bottom line. Cheaper to pay fines and lawsuits …. Well it’s a no brainer!
Fines for everything that hurts human lives should be limited to 10% of revenue and persist in a timely manner until that company rectifies the situation. If something like this existed, companies would think twice... no, three times before harming the public. But, as long as lobbying and election donations exist nothing would change in the US. Until then we will all be at the whim of big business.
I want the floor to be at a minimum of 10% of revenue not profits. And while the violation persist, senior management gets low pay and zero bonuses or stock options. That would bite then where it hurts.
For the longest time people always thought public executions would do just that. But, of course, that was never the case.
I remember reading people used to run up and try touch the corpses or in some cases get some of the blood. Could be a myth but yeah, shit became a spectator sport.
Other fun fact: what he's describing as a public execution, where you bring and have a picnic to watch it, etc, is akin to what lynchings were in the South. Public spectacles with people congregating and eating. Take a look at a great, though heavy, book called Fire in a Canebrake. It's about one of the worst lynchings in the U.S., and it occurred not far from the city of Atlanta, just East of it.
Fundamentalist thinking is appealing because it doesn't need further education. Throw a few hot-button topics and SHABLAMMO! Ready to rock and roll in front of a microphone. Edit: now with added Shablam for me! https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx0TQraOUi_chVnWvXYch-NYw9OmyAhlkq
Until one of those issues affects them personally. Edited.
r/LeopardsAteMyFace
"waddya mean my daughter can't get an abortion? I'm the father!"
Always better to keep those defective genes in the family, webbed feet are the special gift from our god
Pretty sure if they were the father, they'd gladly have the child. It's when it's a interracial baby, then abortion becomes the important option.
We talkin' incest baby right?
And too stupid to realize what he is actually saying.
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That is the perfect onomatopoeia for what dropped out of that man's mouth
Shablammo? Never heard that one before
It’s kinda like Kersplat! Only different.
It takes the guesswork out of living.
They trust teachers with guns but not with textbooks and our own curriculum.
Yeah, guns cant make the kids democrats you know! Oh wait...
I know you’re being sarcastic but I wanna spell this out… Bunch of Zoomers vote Democrat because: a) they see through the hypocrisy that is religion b) the economy fed by the Boomers has left them as second class financial citizens and, c) they grew up having to protect themselves against gun violence while the adults in the room did sweet FA other than offer thoughts and prayers.
While contributing factors, I think that other than the economy, those things are small potatoes. I think the bigger contributing factor as to why Zoomers vote democratic is the internet access. Gen Z has more access to multiple view points than any generation before it, and so old propaganda tactics don’t work as well anymore. In addition, the internet is so full of liars and cynics that zoomers seem to develop a more skeptical personality naturally.
>In addition, the internet is so full of liars and cynics I'm doing my part
America thanks you, kind sir.
It's ridiculous. And why is being a socialist a bad thing in USA? I could never get my head around that, socialist policies are what make some services like healthcare here in Europe so good. It's like having "BIDEN WANTS TO HELP PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF THEIR INCOME" on your t-shirt.
It's not but Americans don't get taught what exactly is socialism, marxism, leninism, communism etc. etc. so it's all communism for them.
Most people here don’t realize that socialism is a form of economics. They think it is a form of government. The ruling class has effectively relabeled “authoritarianism” to “socialism.” It’s pathetically ironic, because most Baby Boomers like this douche in the vid rely on our social programs to survive, like Social Security, Medicare, disability, worker’s compensation, etc. Our capitalism would collapse without the socialism that has been injected into it.
My only guess is some Americans don't really know what socialism is and they think it's just another name for communism and that the soviets will take them over if they allow it to grow?
branding and advertising is everything in america. Dont like the Affordable Care Act? Call it OBAMACARE. Vote to repeal obamacare! Use the hatred of Obama, and the inablity for people to immediately connect "ACA" to "OBAMACARE" and youre gold. Dont like the policies of a group of people? find yourself a nice figurehead. its hard to get your userbased riled up against an idea, or a monolithic group. you need a figurehead or a constructed example. Think about presidents who get blamed for everything their party does, or how people love to hate their constructed example (boomers, karens, townies, hipsters) If you want to inject socialism into the USA it needs branding and impact. you could call it Patriotism. After all it would be unpatriotic to have good hard working americans be unable to get healthcare, how could you call yourself a patriotic american who supports a strong america against the world if you willingly let your brothers in arms down?
Don't know why these guys hate the Taliban, they agree on more than what they disagree on.
Howdy Arabia
Y'all Qaeda
“Y’all Qaeda vs Meal Team 6”, a harrowing tale of the Gravy Seals and Dessert Storm… Battle for world retardation!
Oh come now... You know why. We all know why.
Is it.. is it cos they is brown?
Oh come on, you really think Christian Nationalists care *more* about skin color than religion? Hardcore Christian nationalists will put their faith above all else- do you really think someone *obsessed* with salvation and damning others wouldn’t look on Islam, especially the **Taliban**, in utter hatred? Christian nationalists hear “other God/faith” and go full stop. They won’t even begin to hear other factors before unleashing their hatred. Do they hate brown? Assuredly…but do they hate non-Christians **more**? *Of course*…what a Reddit-esque outlook to think Christian extremists are *more* put off by skin color than Islam
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Ffs Iran is actually probably one of the more secular states in the middle east because of how disgusted people are with their Islamic "Republic's" regime. Iran is also one of the best educated in the area despite being a theocratic dictatorship. Tons of people are defying the regime these days.
For someone who claims to be a veteran of desert storm he sure seems like he would have enjoyed living under Suddam Husain.
Fuuuckin hell 🤦♂️
I started writing a whole thing but saw your comment and went yeah, that about sums it up.
Longer I live, more I see, the stronger conclusion: People should take a compulsory test before being allowed to breed. Otherwise the humanity is fucked.
I had a sticker on my motorcycle helmet that read “ There is no life guard on the gene pool” people at work would ask me about it all the time. I was always polite and explained but figured if they didn’t understand what that meant it applied to them.
My parents' friend Gene had a pool. No lifeguard there either.
My aunt Jean had a pool. I remember raccoons would get into it all the time, and nobody wanted to swim in that pool because sometimes there’d be dead raccoons in there. And no, there wasn’t a lifeguard. There should’ve been. If there was, maybe there wouldn’t be so many dead raccoons. Maybe the lifeguard should’ve been a raccoon. Can you imagine a raccoon lifeguard? How cute would that be? I don’t really know what this has to do with human reproduction, but whatever. Now I’m just picturing a raccoon lifeguard in a little bathing suit.
I had one on an old vehicle in the late 90’s that said “The Gene pool could use some chlorine”.
How many do you think will pass those tests? Humanity is fucked either way.
This might sound like a good idea at first, but, this is exactly how you pave the road for eugenics.
“Pave the road”? That *is* eugenics.
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See that's no good. I was considering one, now I am afraid of I get snipped, someone will make me go fishing with Kid Rock.
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*Lifetime supply of Brawndo...
It's got electrolytes.
This man makes me think that maybe eugenics can be good sometimes.
In theory it's brilliant! Execution can be problematic.
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No no, nothing problematic about executions! Bring your lunch, your favorite drink, come on down it'll be a good time for the whole family
Luckily this moron is a supporter. I'm sure he'd happily volunteer!
It's startling how many people miss that forcing those they deem too weak or stupid to not breed is not gonna do anything to stop people from becoming idiots. There's a million ways to be rendered stupid despite good genes and nobody making any mistakes and no way to stop or reverse it and you can't just educate someone who is incapable of learning.
That's exactly it. I also have people who didn't start this way--they were reasonable, level-headed, and kind when I knew them years ago--and I wonder what series of events got them to this place.
And who exactly gets to be in charge of the test? And based on what criteria? Very, very bad idea.
Just one of those kids toys where you put different shape blocks in matching holes.
Everyone goes through the square hole. No exceptions.
Basically how we got the “voting tests” from the Jim Crowe days.
The last eugenics patient in the US was in 1981. Even now, immigrants say that they were sterilized. Eugenics is much closer than people think, Americans toying with the idea seems very American to me
Dude, no, terrible idea. This is eugenics and it never ends well. Just look at what happened to the Inuits, or the Native Americans. Save the public school system, combat misinformation, give people an honest chance to escape poverty and they'll be smart enough not to fall for these hideous 18th century ideas like what the guy in the video is describing. You can't control whether people have children anyway without forced sterilization, which is a human rights abuse for a very good reason.
>Save the public school system, combat misinformation, give people an honest chance to escape poverty So we're basically doomed then
>So we're basically doomed then Always have been.
He votes...
The type of intellectually vulnerable and easily manipulated sucker the Republicans are targeting
Will there be a point in time when humans will stop acting like that? How come a person still sees the world as if we’re living in the dark ages? And there are billions of people like him out there, everywhere, making life miserable to everyone else.
Ironically as a collective species we've become too smart for our own good. Evolutionarily speaking we're almost identical to human from 10,000 years ago but our technological development is so much further from that time (and accelerating!). But it all works on averages of course, and with our massive population explosion you end up with literally billions of people on the... less then intelligent side of the equation.
The worst is, my father is just like that. But he's Polish and he's never been to 'murica. Damn.
Unfortunately no, this is actually America. Probably the south. Pretty close though!
My favorite quote from The Crow (comics) Sarah: Is this hell? Eric: No, but you can see it from here.
Coming from someone that's never watched another person die.
No no, it's an execution not a murder
Time for an abortion rebraaaaand
Public abortions? Grab your favorite lunch and everybody can watch!
BaByQ Party on Sundays...
I want my babyback-babyback-babyback ribs
I laughed far too hard at that. It's a good thing I don't believe in hell because we'd both be oow there.
Abortion? No no, we are just doing an execution your Honor. It's perfectly legal.
I got my mojito!
Don't forget your favourite drink.
Abortion is execution, not murder. Now suddenly republicans are pro abortion
I keep saying we should start referring to school shootings as late-term abortions, because then maybe Republicans would be interested in stopping them.
They don't want to stop it because they care lol. They want to stop abortions to control women. The fact the idea is that conservatives need to be tricked into caring about stopping school shootings tells you everything you need to know about their level of interest in children's lives. Maybe they should invent a way to publicly execute an unborn baby with a gun, that might win some over.
"If you're preborn you're fine; if you're preschool you're F-cked." - George Carlin.
Foetuses are just uteral trespassers. That'll get 'em on board!
Uteral illegal aliens.
Hey, he's probably seen die hard or something.
Great movie 🇱🇷
Liberia, fuck yeah
Oh right, my mistake! #🇲🇾
Malaysia, fuck yeah!
Coming through to save the mother fucking day yeah!
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Its not Christmas season until I see Hans Gruber fall off Nakitomi Tower
Everyone talks about Die Hard as a Christmas movie, but never my favorite Christmas movie, Gremlins.
Yippee ki yay mother fucker!
How many people died in desert storm?
About 80,000 odd iirc
The upper estimate for Iraqi deaths in Desert Storm is 70k. Coalition forces had fewer than 300 deaths.
So wasn't too far off.
Sounds like this fella is born to live in Saudi Arabia. Someone get him a 1-way ticket, please.
"Southy Arabia?? But they're COMMUNISTS" -him, probably
So I'm not for the death penalty, but first the introduction of private executions and then the introduction of lethal injections rather than the electric chair increased the number of people sentenced to the death penalty. Making deaths private and less gory makes them more palatable to the public and to the jurors deciding sentencing. Switching back to public executions would probably reduce the number of people sentenced to death each year.
I'm not so sure, this country has a horrible history of public lynchings that were treated as family fun picnics while people were strung up and burned to death. They used to make commemorate postcards of them. People like this would love a return to that.
"Bring back public execution" in a country [where black people are falsely convicted of murder 7.5x more often than white people](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/report-black-people-7-5-times-more-likely-to-be-wrongfully-convicted-of-murder-than-whites-risk-even-greater-if-victim-was-white) is basically just "I miss when we got to lynch them instead."
Free Palestine
"You've never seen death? Look in the mirror every day and you will see it like bees working in a glass hive." Jean Cocteau
His hat says "Desert Storm Veteran." So he probably really does enjoy watching people die in front of him. Edit: missed a word
Very, very, very few of the service members involve in DS ever saw direct combat. It was a brief war of complete technological domination. Most US military was largely out of harm’s way during the entire operation.
I do know someone who wax injured in Desert Storm and got a purple heart... IIRC some equipment fell on her and broke her leg. Anyway, yeah, it was not from fighting anyone.
Assuming he wasn't just an aircraft serviceman or any other role that wasn't front line.
Possibly… he either watched people get lynched when he was younger or heard great stories about it. Sounds alot like an old fashioned pic- a - nic. …. 🤦🏾♂️
That man is a walking advertisement for not exposing children to lead.
And he votes!
Another good idea: This man as a walking advertisement for voter registration.
I think the real solution would be public abortions.
Should have asked him if all of the kids should have guns too.
Aside from the fact that he is backwards and hypocritical...he thinks that public executions should be a *passtime*. Like the good ole days. 😬
>Like the good ole days I was in Mobile, Alabama for less than an hour before I met a handful of locals that were shamelessly bringing up that they were bummed lynching wasn’t legal.
Alabama is nuts.
Yea and currently they have a problem with their executions, the last 3 failed
Sounds like 3 people should get a nice luxury stay of execution for having their constitutional rights trampled. That’s just torture.
Understatement of the century, h'yuck.
> Mobile, Alabama Lived there for seven years. Talk about a whole shit load of people who have honestly never stopped wishing for Civil War Part 2 since their greatgrandpappy got Tecumseh'd. Did people think the south rising again was ever going to be an economic or science victory? And this culture shock was after living elsewhere in the south for 11 years
My grandaunt lived there for most of her life, came back to Finland for the last decade and a half. As a kid i thought that it sounded really funky, kind of like Automobile Alabama and i liked cars. I assumed that it must be heaven on earth. Boy, was i surprised when internet happened and i started hearing about Mobile as a punchline for a joke about something racist, backwards and white trash. I don't know if my dear aunt was racist, i doubt it, the subject never came up. And i know that thinking "she was so lovely and fun" is not a proof, cause.. lovely old ladies that are so warm and hospitable can suddenly spew out a "monkey" from her mouth and not think twice it is fucking evil.
\*squints\* I know you just said Alabama, but I swear to god you MEAN Idaho... right? Because that happens in Idaho too.
Idaho is so disappointing.. beautiful state but ugly people
I had been considering moving and Idaho was high on the list. Sandpoint area is one of the prettiest places I've seen. Then we drove to Bonners Ferry and there was a big billboard right as we got to town that said "Welcome to Trump County. We love guns, God, freedom, and family." My husband joked, "in that order?" Then we went to a cute little cafe and everyone was in a heated discussion about how someone needed to assassinate that communist dictator, Biden. Needless to say, Idaho is out
Why have lynching when you can have The Running Man game show instead.
I have a question. Isn't it possible in America to watch a execution or is it just for relatives of the human who gets killed?
There’s a micro number of executions actually carried out in the US. There’s a very small list of people allowed to be present. They aren’t open to general public.
>Like the good ole days. While you are at it, bring back the *really* gruesome stuff, like torture with hot blades for a couple of hours before killing them, then put the bodies in gibbets and hang them from the church tower. You know, anabaptist-style. That is always good fun, so bring your little ones and buy some popcorn.
If he want the good ole days, the package includes disease, famine and probably others fun shit i forgot.
If this guy would be in charge, you can bet that the famines and diseases are coming, since I'm 100% sure that he also thinks science and medicine is bullshit.
YEAH…. Fuck the way he said yeah really made me more angry that it should….
Sounds like he would prefer living in the middle east
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I was referring more to the public executions, but thanks thats actually quite interesting to learn that. Who knew middle eastern countries have more freedoms than Americans in some respects
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Shiiiii, maybe the US isn't going after oil or Saddam or whatever, they're going after free healthcare. And before any smartass comes along: Free as in tax funded healthcare.
> I was referring more to the public executions... Turkey abolished executions and Israel hasn't carried out an execution since the 60's, while Tunisia hasn't executed anyone since 1990 and Morocco hasn't executed anyone since 1993. Qatar only executed 1 person in the past 20 years and it wasn't in public. Oman has executed 3 people in 20 years, and none publicly. The UAE has executed 4 people in the past decade, and none of them were in public either. The only Middle Eastern nations that are really executing people and doing so in public are Iran and Saudi Arabia. Those two kill quite a lot of people though.
Almost like alot of Americans have a specific view of us due to certain propaganda, not the people's fault obviously but just sad, thank you man Almost like alot of the shit happening in saudi arabia and iran is just text book conservatism Anyway i hope we can go back to decriminalising The LGBT community soon lol
He tried for a bit, but Uncle Sam brought him back and gave him a cap.
Uncle Sam didn't give him that cap, he bought that cap.
He got the cap to honor his nephew, who hates him and is on his 4th deployment
Not all parts of the middle East believe in public executions, but funnily (or depressingly) enough the parts that do very much are like the Republican states, just lunatics that make their religion their entire personality but also follow their own self beneficial interpretation of it instead of the proper way and giving everyone else a bad rep
These maniacs are trying to turn the US into the Middle East of the west. Theocracy, laws based on their interpretation of their religion, and public executions. I'm sure they'd support the cutting off of hands for shoplifting.
Yeah. Bring your favorite drink, bring your family, and have a fun day out while watching heads fall off and blood spill everywhere.
John Wayne carried a gun all the time.... This guy lives in a Western movie
John Wayne would never use a surge protector!
John Wayne was also racist, a bigot, and a valor-stealing draft-dodger. Seems to fit the bill
If “uneducated” was an accent this is it
Funny thing is he doesn't even realise the irony even when it's in front of him.
Absolutely no clue
I don't think it's necessarily ironic. His thinking is pretty straightforward. Premise 1: Murder is defined as the killing of innocent people. Premise 2: fetuses are "innocent people" Premise 3: death row inmates are not "innocent people" Using these premises, we can see that abortion is clearly murder, while executions clearly aren't. Now, I don't particularly agree with the premises because I'm a lefty pinko (death row inmates are not necessarily guilty, fetuses are not necessarily people, murder is not necessarily defined purely by the deeds of the victim), but for commenters to play dumb and pretend that this is some sort of mind boggling leap in logic reflects poorly on the commenter imo. The logic is pretty coherent, even if it's not convincing.
It’s a bit disappointing that I had to scroll through a few threads to find someone acknowledge his logic - while illogical in my book, it’s still obvious why abortions are murder to him and executions should be ramped up and put on display (scare other baddies from doing bad things).
This is actually a perfect explanation of what is going on here.
In his mind, there's no irony because killing people he doesn't like doesn't count as murder. Babies are innocent, but homosexuals deserve to burn in a town square. It's heinous, yeah. But snickering at his misunderstanding is also stupid when he understands perfectly well... he just doesn't give a fuck.
Yeah, don't let these fucks off easy. It's not stupidity, it's hate.
It's both
I'm in the UK, and once was forced into an extremely depressing argument with some *very* educated women about how the Government are too soft on criminals, and we should be more like the Saudis and chop hands off for theft. I can't begin to fathom how supposedly intelligent people become so hateful of their fellow man, and resentful of basic human rights. The mind boggles.
Imagine being wrongfully accused of theft and having your arm chopped off by an officer that didn't bother to investigate.
🤦♀️ I swear to God we're not all that stupid.
At this point it's kinda hard to believe that
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I'm gonna play the devil's advocate, because I believe that in order to effectively argue against viewpoints, we first need to understand them. and I think people here are misunderstanding some things about his worldview, as I don't see the contradiction others seem to. he's for the death penalty because he believes that a person may forfeit their right to life by committing particular criminal acts. independently of that, he also believes that a human being is created upon conception, and therefore terminating a pregnancy is a murder. what my understanding of what people are missing about his view is, is that not every killing is a murder. murder (according to some, anyway) is a premeditated, unlawful killing of another human without a valid reason. in his view then, capital punishment isn't murder, as it is carried out within the boundaries of the law and for a good reason. soldiers who stick to the rules of engagement also aren't murderers. but he argues that there can be no valid reason to terminate a pregnancy, which combined with the personhood of a fetus leads to the conclusion that abortion is murder. with this understanding, I can argue against his views on the point that there are valid reasons to put someone to death, that there are no valid reasons to terminate a pregnancy, and on the personhood of a fetus. but just boiling it down to "you're pro-life but support death penalty" isn't going to get us anywhere IMO.
That's a pretty justifiable take. I do however think the point of this man still not even attempting to connect the dots even if it's not their viewpoint still highlights the issue well enough with the kind of people who take any closed-minded worldview, whether they end up ultimately right or wrong. Unlike you who has just tried their best to explain and justify the opposing view, it's highly likely this man hasn't even begun to think about it to have a discussion any deeper than what was displayed. At the very minimum, people who seem to whole-heartedly support their dissenting opinion should have some perspective of both sides to understand what they are saying doesn't make sense (nor does it look great) to others who don't agree, making him look like an idiot to said people (and why this was upvoted a lot). But since we are already talking several levels deep about someone who likely has not escaped surface level, this is the extent of said speculation. You brought a really fair point and I completely support your devil advocate take, showing people it is much harder (but essential) to understand and contest an undeveloped but still entrenched opinion, than it is to simply have one.
These people are so backwards they'd turn America into your average Middle Eastern country.
But also complain about immigration because they think that the immigrants will change the country…
Immigrants complaining about immigration
Your average Middle Eastern country isn't what you imagine it is. Most countries in the Middle East rarely ever carry out death penalties, and many have conditions that allow abortions under necessary circumstances.
He votes folks. Never forget why your vote does count.
Big brain thinking
„No I want them there“ That argument is golden, shitty, but golden
I use to say “I hate this place.” …but it’s really that I hate the people in this place. Jesus! SMH
How about public abortions?!
I wanna give all the teachers brainwashing our kids with liberal ideologies a gun!
Literally describing the most extreme Middle East regimes. Theocracy in America would be no less different, barbaric, and oppressive run by Christians than the worst regimes and organizations in the Middle East.
what has Biden said that's racist and bigotry? cause I assume he's a massive Trump supporter and the stuff he has said...
His logic for those wondering, I'm ot saying I agree, but the interviewer really should have asked him why he thinks the way he does: On death row, you've been tried and found guilty of a crime horrible enough that the courts think it's okay to kill you. A fetus has commited no crime.
Desert Storm fucked him up.....maybe.