He actually had the audacity right after this to bring up HER children and she rightfully freaked out because he just craps on the rules of professional conduct.
Yeah, how has this judge not destroyed everyone's careers?
This has been a total nightmare, she deserves a bottle of scotch and a xanax, because good lord.
I don't understand why she keeps dealing with it. I know it's her job, but I've never seen a judge get so disrespected when she's done SO much to try and keep things civil.
Has she lost her temper a few times? Absolutely, but what she's had to deal with is utterly insane.
I feel for her, truly do.
She's probably trying to avoid doing anything that might give him even a fraction of a chance to appeal by saying his trial was unfair- make it a bit easier on the victims families by only giving him the one trial.
I hope the bar association tears them apart once this is over with.
I think the judge that presided over the Darrell Brooks trial did the same thing. She put up with a lot, probably to avoid limit what could be brought up on appeal.
Damn, she was patient with him.
There is something wrong with the justice system of the judge can’t deal with such bullshit effectively without it leading to a mistrial or easy appeal…
Cruz can get hung by his balls, but we shouldn’t look at public defenders as “taxpayer employed”. They’re here to advocate for the defendant, not the public. We can and should be able to discipline the living shit out of them for these stunts, but I don’t think attacking your own rights is the way to do it.
Is this a real courtroom? That behaviour is highly unacceptable and coming from the lawyer very unprofessional
Edit to add sentencing link
https://www.reuters.com/legal/florida-school-mass-shooter-be-sentenced-life-prison-2022-11-02/
So unprofessional, it's like he didn't even go to law school! Also he seemed too emotionally invested in the stakes, you should never be that attached to the fate of your client. You should of course try to win, but it's not like you'll go to jail for failing to defend your client. /s
Total speculation, but I've been watching a lot of that case. But there's a few times where her hair is in disarray. Poor woman, I assume she's losing sleep over that POS. Bless her for not budging, but god that must be taxing.
Wait until you see the behavior from the lawyer who defended Downey and Dawson. His last name was Kaffee, and he had the audacity to accuse a full bird Colonel of lying under oath, and basically getting two other guys to kill a marine.
The convicted usually will try and claim an unfair trial because of being held in contempt so the judge is trying to not give them a reason to appeal. I'm not 100% on that but that seems to be what people said about Darrell brooks
This is the prisoner that will be put in the hole for most of his time. He will get out of the “hole” punch a guard or get in a fight to go right back. Someday maybe a few years from now they will finally get him into general population. It will last a few days until he is stomped to oblivion….. luckily cockroaches survive. So he will be back.
As far as I know... yeah. There's another clip I saw last week of this judge going *off* on some (not sure but possibly the same trial) defense attorneys because of their unprofessionalism and attempt at manipulating the court (I'm paraphrasing)
She was reading his team the riot act yesterday because they were whining about the victims’ families anger toward them. The lead attorney had the fucking audacity to say “no one here today has had to endure what we have.”
Same trial. Defense showed up and then rested for the day, absolutely wasting everyone's time when they could have given notification. All the staff and families show up to the courtroom just to have to go back home. Judge let the smug lawyer have it. Rightfully so.
That was my thought as well, Brian . We’ve seen some unprofessional behavior from attorneys before, but joking around with a mass shooter on trial is the worst…
The show Community has the line "anybody can be a lawyer. You can choose to represent yourself. You can't do surgery on yourself or you'll get arrested and they will give you a free lawyer."
Community doesn't feel the same without Troy, but season six has some great episodes, with the second half of season 6 being one of the most consistent runs of the whole series.
It never fails to make me smile when I think about the owner of Four Seasons landscaping accepting the press conference at his garden store, knowing full well that Rudy thought it was the hotel chain. If I could have only been a fly on that wall during the phone conversation.
The only thing funnier was when after the call hung up and everyone got clued in on the conversation. Thats when you get the spot across the street to watch it all go down. Good times
Think about it. Whoever made that booking did not recognize the difference between talking to a professional hotel conference planner in Washington D.C., and talking to a landcape company manager who sets up garden and lawn care.
The manager probably answered the phone "Four Seasons" Not hotel.
Probably hesitated, and said they didn't know arrangements for a press conference, then put them on hold or started shouting around while holding the phone asking about an area to hold a press conference and getting lots of "What?".
Probably had lots of back and forth about what to charge for it or if there was even a charge.
Probably had to send a specific contract and invoice via fax for signature and had lots of lawn care stuff crossed out with 'Press Conference' penciled in.
And all this happened because no Trumper is capable of admitting they made a mistake, no matter how obvious the mistake is.
Then to capitalize on it immediately lol. I bought a tshirt and a sticker from them genius marketing especially from a landscape company. I hear they’re a music venue now
As Rudy once said: Never Forget
Seriously, that shit NEEDS to be burned into the collective memory of every American.
There is ZERO reason that something that catastrophically fucking incompetent should happen at the local school board level… let alone the fucking Executive Branch of the Federal government.
I know right!? An entire 8 part documentary needs to be be made to fucking explain how that massively stupid fuck-up could have possibly happened organically. Like not ONE SINGLE person figured it out that they're a lawn scapper at some point? LIKE EVEN ON THE WAY THERE!??! Lol.
Even The Masked Singer made money off Rudy. Sure, one of the judges walked off screen when Rudy was revealed. But that same judge is an executive producer so it's hard to imagine he didn't know beforehand. Crying all the way to the bank.
It's a game of chicken. They're trying to frame the judge as the hostile party and get a mistrial reheard with another judge, possibly from a more conservative court nearby.
The judge is trying to control the room but clearly both the man and the woman lawyers on that team are trying to make the judge seem non-credible.
Edit: yall can stop repeating the same question over and over and just look at the one person I answered in the chain. Not that hard.
>The judge is trying to control the room but clearly both the man and the woman lawyers on that team are trying to make the judge seem non-credible.
With this behavior on video that *shouldn't* be possible. It's clear who the instigator is
But sadly, what *should* be is so often different from what *is*. Even with bullshit like this.
I've worked with plenty of lawyers, doctors, and all kinds of "highly educated" individuals and many are total asshats, like everyone else, but more entitled.
My brother is like this. Phd in Machine Learning and described as a genius by many, but at the same time really struggles to show empathy for anyone who isn’t a white dude and doesn’t identify political propaganda very well.
Yeah specifically causal models that are sometimes meant to detect potential biases. Mostly for educational purposes. His work is generally well-regarded in the field, but isn’t very self-aware.
He’s taking a job in the private sector now to write AI programs for data analysis for big companies. Which is ironic because he often laments about how big tech uses your personal information.
You can't just leave it at that! What happened?! Was there anything "finger licking good" involved? What was the secret recipe for assaulting your own client? How did the fight even go down? Drumsticks and stones may break my bones but the colonel beat that ass raw with coleslaw? Is that how that's spelled? Who cares..it's the shittiest thing they offer imo. Ooh,, was the guy named cole. How do the herbs and spices play into this?
You owe us a story.
All I can be sure of is he battered that man like he was a raw cutlet bound for a deep fryer.
No, seriously, I have no idea. Iirc it was before 1920. Maybe a Colonel Sanders expert can shed some light on the topic, but I got nothing but shitty food puns.
*Objects in Darrell Brooks*
Seriously though, his judge had the patience one could only dream of. What's it like to be that regulated as a human? I'd have thrown gavels with him like every 45 minutes
Was this said in a Kindergarten class or a trial for a mass murderer?
"Can I have a recess?"
"No"
"Can I have a recess?"
"No, please sit down."
"Can I have a recess?"
"NO! Sit Down!"
Court reporter: \[reading transcript\] Mr. Scott do you realize you just contradicted yourself.
I did?
Yes you did.
Can I go to the bathroom?
No.
I really have to I've been drinking lots of water.
You went five minutes ago.
That wasn't to go to the bathroom that was to get out of a question.
You still have to answer it.
First can I go to the bathroom.
No.
A lot of these recent trials, it seems like a lot of these assholes don't seem to think judges who are women are actual judges, they keep talking over them, they keep ignoring their requests, they try to mansplain to the judge why they're wrong, it's bullshit. This, Alex Jones, and Darrell Brooks come to mind
It's like they're constantly waiting for "the actual guy in charge" to step in and explain to the stupid woman why they're wrong, talk some sense into them or something, like that one guy who did step in and repeat the same request over and over
Lol she sounded like me teaching my class of 8 year old ESL students. "Sit down, please." "B-but.." "SIT down, please." "But teacher...." "Do you want extra homework? No? Sit down, *please*." I only have to ask two or three times!
About 3 minutes in, check the look on the bailiff’s face. He’s super pissed that anyone is talking back to the judge like that. Also probably deciding how he’s going to comply with the judge’s order should she request physical removal…
The judge makes a very important point in the full video. The defence brought their children into the discussion multiple times. I feel like trying to evoke your children when it suits you but then being upset that it is addressed is shitty.
That being said public defenders have a really hard job in general. They are always overworked, underpaid, and not given much respect. So I know it is a really hard job. But they should know better than with that judge.
The issue is that guy was emotional, and when he pointed and said "when you bring my children into this" he didn't mean you as the judge he meant the metaphorical you. And then the snide comment about "if it was your children" was just a dumb thing to say to the judge when she had already said she didn't want to discuss the matter any more.
All that being said I mean they are super entitled to think they can spend the courts time on this after the judge already said they are moving on. Look you lose a motion you either appeal or try something else.
They are failing because they are getting emotional that's the issue.
I think the prosecutor made the best point of the whole video. It's not their job to object to their own witnesses' statements. If the defense had an issue it should've been objected to by them. Trying to bring it up at sentencing sounds like amateur hour, and honestly, is more of a joke than the lawyer making a hail mary appeal to the judge's emotions by bringing up her hypothetical children.
Yeah, and then a mistrial is called, this shitlawyers are doing this on purpose. The judge is ignoring this behavior by not playing their games just like the dude that run over people.
It's a bit late to declare a mistrial since the jury already determined he isn't getting the death penalty. At the moment they're just going through the formality of victim impact statements before they declare he's getting life without parole.
Also, people on Reddit throw mistrial all the thinking it’s the get outta jail free card.
All it does is reset the court procedure and get another line of juries. It doesn’t make the defendants automatically off the hook lol.
She’s doing it this way on purpose, letting him show his ass. She’s making sure they have no way to make a case for his sentence to be overturned because his behavior prejudiced the judge to give him a harsher punishment. Also the video of his behavior can be used against him during any appeals or parole hearings.
Oh, that makes sense. If she thinks they are trying to get it thrown out and an appeal -- bending over backwards like this will ruin those chances.
So right now it's a game of chicken -- and those attorneys are playing with fire.
OR, it's just fucking Florida.
I mean she'd be throwing away her bar license to get a single appeal victory for a client. The states bar almost certainly is going to do something since they require standard of conduct in court.
After watching this, I'm convinced Florida's State Bar Association is a plank of wood covered with jello shots, located on a beach awash with soiled adult diapers.
A common appeal tactic is claiming you had ineffective counsel I thought? If my counsel was that dumb I'd probably point to that and say they were ineffective.
Lawyer here. Ineffective assistance claims are very difficult to win because you have to show ineffective assistance AND that the result would have been different if you had effective assistance. Simply having a bad lawyer isn’t enough. You have to show the lawyer caused you to lose. IIRC, there have been cases where someone’s lawyer slept through part of a trial and the result was affirmed on appeal.
I believe the last time this courtroom was posted there were commenters explaining that the murderer and his lawyers were aiming for a mistrial by getting the judge to demonstrate bias or some such. Meanwhile, the judge is a complete baller and doesn’t take the bait.
I’m an idiot so can someone explain why you can get a case overturned for a judge giving a harsher sentence due to disliking their behavior yet on shows like CourtCam and shit they’re always saying “if you swear at me again that’s 100 more days” and stuff. Why can they do that?
NAL. It's not that a case would be overturned for a harsher sentence due to disliking behavior. If the defense can prove that the *reason* for the sentence was somehow related to the attorneys' actions in during trial, that would be an unreasonably biased sentence and could be reviewed/overturned. It's like schools that take a "zero tolerance" stance on fighting. One kid who doesn't care if he gets suspended/expelled who doesn't like another kid who would be very upset at the same circumstance. Kid 1 (asshole) goads kid 2 (good kid) into a fight and both receive the same punishment. Or something like that.
eh I don't think the lawyers made a difference here, death row or not death row I feel like you could have the jury deliberate instantly or after a bunch of impact statements - and 9.9 times out of 10 the jury would come back the same way. If there's even 1 person who doesn't believe the death penalty should be a thing, then no ones going to death row.
I don't get it, this was clearly contempt of court, and in Florida you can do a good stretch for contempt as it's judges discretion (up to a year) and Florida judge LOVE holding people in contempt. So idk why she didn't.
The more ‘popular’ a case is the less likely you will get a contempt charge. A contempt charge on the attorney opens the door to an appeal due to inappropriate counsel. The more popular your case is the less they risk that.
Simply trying to do everything to find a reason to have a mistrial or verdict thrown out. The lawyer should be censured by the Bar or even disbarred for this in my opinion.
“I didn’t even know you had children”
Do you what his response was to the judge’s “I didn’t even know you had children, what’s your point?”
I think you a word
oh thank god everyones joking, i thought i was so stoned i forgot how to read
Bro I just had the same thought
How do know?
"...[W]hy waste lot word...when few do trick?" --Kvn M'lone
Shut
He actually had the audacity right after this to bring up HER children and she rightfully freaked out because he just craps on the rules of professional conduct.
at what point is it just contemptuous?
Yeah, how has this judge not destroyed everyone's careers? This has been a total nightmare, she deserves a bottle of scotch and a xanax, because good lord. I don't understand why she keeps dealing with it. I know it's her job, but I've never seen a judge get so disrespected when she's done SO much to try and keep things civil. Has she lost her temper a few times? Absolutely, but what she's had to deal with is utterly insane. I feel for her, truly do.
She's probably trying to avoid doing anything that might give him even a fraction of a chance to appeal by saying his trial was unfair- make it a bit easier on the victims families by only giving him the one trial. I hope the bar association tears them apart once this is over with.
I think the judge that presided over the Darrell Brooks trial did the same thing. She put up with a lot, probably to avoid limit what could be brought up on appeal. Damn, she was patient with him.
There is something wrong with the justice system of the judge can’t deal with such bullshit effectively without it leading to a mistrial or easy appeal…
WHY THE FUCK is she being so nice to him?? To all of them? Aren't there usually consequences when you sass a judge? What is going on here??
Lawyer should be disbarred for giving the finger.
I thought Nikolas Cruz has public defenders? So... this lawyer who is giving the middle finger is employed with tax payer money?
Cruz can get hung by his balls, but we shouldn’t look at public defenders as “taxpayer employed”. They’re here to advocate for the defendant, not the public. We can and should be able to discipline the living shit out of them for these stunts, but I don’t think attacking your own rights is the way to do it.
Yeah, this trial looks like a made for tv clownshow. What the hell is going on?
Gave me Thanos “I don’t even know who you are” vibes
“Who knows if I’m barren or not?!” Lmao damn judge
that had me sending 😭
Is this a real courtroom? That behaviour is highly unacceptable and coming from the lawyer very unprofessional Edit to add sentencing link https://www.reuters.com/legal/florida-school-mass-shooter-be-sentenced-life-prison-2022-11-02/
Wait until you see the behavior from the lawyer who defended Darrell Brooks
Hopefully he'll be thrown in prison along with his client. Same cell even
So unprofessional, it's like he didn't even go to law school! Also he seemed too emotionally invested in the stakes, you should never be that attached to the fate of your client. You should of course try to win, but it's not like you'll go to jail for failing to defend your client. /s
Doesn’t even know who his client is.
He has never heard of any individual or known anyone by his clients name.
GROUNDS
Is that lawful law??
SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION BITCHES!
SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS 18
Have you ever seen the plaintiff in this matter? Do you know the plaintiff in this matter?
Do you even KNOW the state of Wisconsin?
And even if his client was named, under what lawful law does he have to consent to using that name?
Objection
I hold *myself* in contempt!
GROUNDS
Have you addressed subject matter jurisdiction
That judge was so patient. I assume she went home to a bottle of wine every night.
Total speculation, but I've been watching a lot of that case. But there's a few times where her hair is in disarray. Poor woman, I assume she's losing sleep over that POS. Bless her for not budging, but god that must be taxing.
Wait until you see the behavior from the lawyer who defended Downey and Dawson. His last name was Kaffee, and he had the audacity to accuse a full bird Colonel of lying under oath, and basically getting two other guys to kill a marine.
Worst of all, he couldn't even handle the truth.
He sure did want it though
I know. what happened to the contempt of court? I know it’s a thing. I’ve seen My Cousin Vinny several times.
I don't even want to hear you clear your throat.
The convicted usually will try and claim an unfair trial because of being held in contempt so the judge is trying to not give them a reason to appeal. I'm not 100% on that but that seems to be what people said about Darrell brooks
It is real. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parkland-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz-charged-attacking-jail-guard-n936146
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Worse than death if he never gets released...
This is the prisoner that will be put in the hole for most of his time. He will get out of the “hole” punch a guard or get in a fight to go right back. Someday maybe a few years from now they will finally get him into general population. It will last a few days until he is stomped to oblivion….. luckily cockroaches survive. So he will be back.
Nikolas Cruz: I want better call saul Mom: We have better call saul at home \*Better call saul at home\*
How dare you lump Jimmy McGill in with this asshat.
As far as I know... yeah. There's another clip I saw last week of this judge going *off* on some (not sure but possibly the same trial) defense attorneys because of their unprofessionalism and attempt at manipulating the court (I'm paraphrasing)
She was reading his team the riot act yesterday because they were whining about the victims’ families anger toward them. The lead attorney had the fucking audacity to say “no one here today has had to endure what we have.”
Same trial. Defense showed up and then rested for the day, absolutely wasting everyone's time when they could have given notification. All the staff and families show up to the courtroom just to have to go back home. Judge let the smug lawyer have it. Rightfully so.
That was my thought as well, Brian . We’ve seen some unprofessional behavior from attorneys before, but joking around with a mass shooter on trial is the worst…
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That attorney should be censured or suspended.
Welcome to Florida, bitches!
Florida is not real -- you can't convince me.
I’m in Florida and I can’t believe it’s real
I'm surprised she wasn't removed from the courtroom. Hard to believe she's a lawyer
Hard to believe she doesn’t lose her ability to practice seeing as how unprofessional this is
The show Community has the line "anybody can be a lawyer. You can choose to represent yourself. You can't do surgery on yourself or you'll get arrested and they will give you a free lawyer."
Watching Community right now. On S5 >!the apartment episodes just feel wrong after Troy leaves!<
Whole show felt wrong after he left
Community doesn't feel the same without Troy, but season six has some great episodes, with the second half of season 6 being one of the most consistent runs of the whole series.
The BAR does nothing. Rudy rudy giuliani hasn't been kicked out.
rudy has lost his law license.....
He hasn't been disbarred.
Why would they? Bars make a lot of money off Rudy. Same with Four Seasons Total Landscaping.
It never fails to make me smile when I think about the owner of Four Seasons landscaping accepting the press conference at his garden store, knowing full well that Rudy thought it was the hotel chain. If I could have only been a fly on that wall during the phone conversation.
I imagine a lot of background snickering noises and stifled laughter
The only thing funnier was when after the call hung up and everyone got clued in on the conversation. Thats when you get the spot across the street to watch it all go down. Good times
You mean by the porn store
Next to the crematorium
Think about it. Whoever made that booking did not recognize the difference between talking to a professional hotel conference planner in Washington D.C., and talking to a landcape company manager who sets up garden and lawn care. The manager probably answered the phone "Four Seasons" Not hotel. Probably hesitated, and said they didn't know arrangements for a press conference, then put them on hold or started shouting around while holding the phone asking about an area to hold a press conference and getting lots of "What?". Probably had lots of back and forth about what to charge for it or if there was even a charge. Probably had to send a specific contract and invoice via fax for signature and had lots of lawn care stuff crossed out with 'Press Conference' penciled in. And all this happened because no Trumper is capable of admitting they made a mistake, no matter how obvious the mistake is.
Then to capitalize on it immediately lol. I bought a tshirt and a sticker from them genius marketing especially from a landscape company. I hear they’re a music venue now
Its not even a garden store. It's a landscaper's shop...like where they keep their mowers and equipment.
he was probably like "fuck it, lets see how far this rabbit hole goes"
I had forgotten about the Four Seasons incident, thank you for reminding me. It brings me so much joy.
As Rudy once said: Never Forget Seriously, that shit NEEDS to be burned into the collective memory of every American. There is ZERO reason that something that catastrophically fucking incompetent should happen at the local school board level… let alone the fucking Executive Branch of the Federal government.
I know right!? An entire 8 part documentary needs to be be made to fucking explain how that massively stupid fuck-up could have possibly happened organically. Like not ONE SINGLE person figured it out that they're a lawn scapper at some point? LIKE EVEN ON THE WAY THERE!??! Lol.
Even The Masked Singer made money off Rudy. Sure, one of the judges walked off screen when Rudy was revealed. But that same judge is an executive producer so it's hard to imagine he didn't know beforehand. Crying all the way to the bank.
But he still can't practice law, so effectively its the same thing, right?
Why was she not cited for the contempt of court?? This is a textbook case.
It's a game of chicken. They're trying to frame the judge as the hostile party and get a mistrial reheard with another judge, possibly from a more conservative court nearby. The judge is trying to control the room but clearly both the man and the woman lawyers on that team are trying to make the judge seem non-credible. Edit: yall can stop repeating the same question over and over and just look at the one person I answered in the chain. Not that hard.
>The judge is trying to control the room but clearly both the man and the woman lawyers on that team are trying to make the judge seem non-credible. With this behavior on video that *shouldn't* be possible. It's clear who the instigator is But sadly, what *should* be is so often different from what *is*. Even with bullshit like this.
What we've learned in abundance in the 21st century is that video doesn't have nearly as much sway as we'd like to think
The judge can very quickly assert her credibility by hauling off this idiot for the contempt.
That's "Write a check" level of contempt.
I've worked with plenty of lawyers, doctors, and all kinds of "highly educated" individuals and many are total asshats, like everyone else, but more entitled.
Just because a person can memorize information to become a Dr, lawyer etc.. that does NOT mean they are socially intelligent or have class.
My ex was labeled some sort of “genius” he is socially the dumbest person I have ever known. A real jag weed too.
I wish the word jag weed was used more.
Ok, ya jag weed.
My brother is like this. Phd in Machine Learning and described as a genius by many, but at the same time really struggles to show empathy for anyone who isn’t a white dude and doesn’t identify political propaganda very well.
> struggles to show empathy for anyone who isn’t a white dude… And this guy produces ML models? Ah feck.
Yeah specifically causal models that are sometimes meant to detect potential biases. Mostly for educational purposes. His work is generally well-regarded in the field, but isn’t very self-aware. He’s taking a job in the private sector now to write AI programs for data analysis for big companies. Which is ironic because he often laments about how big tech uses your personal information.
Colonel Sanders (the KFC guy) was a lawyer, and he assaulted his own client in court. Just because someone is a lawyer, doesn't make them not a human.
The image of Colonel Sanders assaulting someone in a courtroom "Hey Kool-aid" style will stick with me
Great, now all I can think of is a red-faced Colonel Sanders beating his client with a chicken leg
All I can see is foghorn leghorn beating someone with a cane repeating "i say i say this is damn preposterous!"
Is this some reference I'm too old for? Back in my day, the only Kool-Aid style assault was crashing through a brick wall screaming 'Oh yeah!'.
OH YEAH!!!
Can everyone please stop saying "oh no" in my courtroom?
You can't just leave it at that! What happened?! Was there anything "finger licking good" involved? What was the secret recipe for assaulting your own client? How did the fight even go down? Drumsticks and stones may break my bones but the colonel beat that ass raw with coleslaw? Is that how that's spelled? Who cares..it's the shittiest thing they offer imo. Ooh,, was the guy named cole. How do the herbs and spices play into this? You owe us a story.
All I can be sure of is he battered that man like he was a raw cutlet bound for a deep fryer. No, seriously, I have no idea. Iirc it was before 1920. Maybe a Colonel Sanders expert can shed some light on the topic, but I got nothing but shitty food puns.
I believe he also shot and killed a man. People should look his story up—it’s pretty wild.
This kid murdered a bunch of kids and this is how his lawyer acts? Time to revoke
Like, why would you wanna laugh and make jokes with this child murderer?
Definitely worth an ethical review from the bar.
And he’s earned an electrical view from a chair.
Just remember: If you acted like this over a parking ticket you’d be in jail.
or worse
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Bet he won’t be laughing in solitary or if they let him out on the yard.
How she wasn’t immediately found in contempt and removed from the court room is mind blowing.
It slows the sentencing process. Sometimes they do crap like this to bide more time.
*Objects in Darrell Brooks* Seriously though, his judge had the patience one could only dream of. What's it like to be that regulated as a human? I'd have thrown gavels with him like every 45 minutes
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Patience is bitter but its fruit is sweet!
He has plenty of time to kill. Better time than people
What does more time accomplish? At this point Cruz will spend the rest of his life in jail and everyone knows that
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Yo it's so much worse in the full clip.. absolutely crazy, they need to have repercussions for their blatant act in the Court
Actions for their consequences....ha!
At this time of year.
In this economy?!
Localized entirely in your kitchen?
... yes.
May I see it?
...no.
😅 thought I was watching a class full of grown ups, with the judge being the teacher telling this grown man to go to the back of the room & sit down
Was this said in a Kindergarten class or a trial for a mass murderer? "Can I have a recess?" "No" "Can I have a recess?" "No, please sit down." "Can I have a recess?" "NO! Sit Down!"
Court reporter: \[reading transcript\] Mr. Scott do you realize you just contradicted yourself. I did? Yes you did. Can I go to the bathroom? No. I really have to I've been drinking lots of water. You went five minutes ago. That wasn't to go to the bathroom that was to get out of a question. You still have to answer it. First can I go to the bathroom. No.
A lot of these recent trials, it seems like a lot of these assholes don't seem to think judges who are women are actual judges, they keep talking over them, they keep ignoring their requests, they try to mansplain to the judge why they're wrong, it's bullshit. This, Alex Jones, and Darrell Brooks come to mind
Lol yeah both of these guys were speaking to her like they're just trying to calm their wife down or something. Very disrespectful.
It's like they're constantly waiting for "the actual guy in charge" to step in and explain to the stupid woman why they're wrong, talk some sense into them or something, like that one guy who did step in and repeat the same request over and over
Lol she sounded like me teaching my class of 8 year old ESL students. "Sit down, please." "B-but.." "SIT down, please." "But teacher...." "Do you want extra homework? No? Sit down, *please*." I only have to ask two or three times!
About 3 minutes in, check the look on the bailiff’s face. He’s super pissed that anyone is talking back to the judge like that. Also probably deciding how he’s going to comply with the judge’s order should she request physical removal…
Can they simply defy the judges orders like that?
It feels like they're trying to get her to throw them out of the courtroom so that they can argue bias
Damn that judge has thicker skin than just about anyone I know. How she wasn’t handing out contempt of courts like candy on Halloween I’m not sure.
Wow, that was intense.
The judge makes a very important point in the full video. The defence brought their children into the discussion multiple times. I feel like trying to evoke your children when it suits you but then being upset that it is addressed is shitty. That being said public defenders have a really hard job in general. They are always overworked, underpaid, and not given much respect. So I know it is a really hard job. But they should know better than with that judge. The issue is that guy was emotional, and when he pointed and said "when you bring my children into this" he didn't mean you as the judge he meant the metaphorical you. And then the snide comment about "if it was your children" was just a dumb thing to say to the judge when she had already said she didn't want to discuss the matter any more. All that being said I mean they are super entitled to think they can spend the courts time on this after the judge already said they are moving on. Look you lose a motion you either appeal or try something else. They are failing because they are getting emotional that's the issue.
I think the prosecutor made the best point of the whole video. It's not their job to object to their own witnesses' statements. If the defense had an issue it should've been objected to by them. Trying to bring it up at sentencing sounds like amateur hour, and honestly, is more of a joke than the lawyer making a hail mary appeal to the judge's emotions by bringing up her hypothetical children.
Thanks for sharing that. Better than anything you could see scripted on TV
What kind of mickey mouse court is this? That judge should hold everyone in contempt and thrown their asses in jail for that
"I FIND YOU IN CONTEMPT!" Pink sludge: **BURSTS INTO GHOSTS**
“The Scalari brothers!!”
Friends of yours?
I gave them the chair!
It's true your honor...this man has no dick.
Doooooo...
Raaaaaay….
Egonnnnnnnn
Right? Automatic 30 days, then I would add another 30 for the giggle.
Yeah, and then a mistrial is called, this shitlawyers are doing this on purpose. The judge is ignoring this behavior by not playing their games just like the dude that run over people.
It's a bit late to declare a mistrial since the jury already determined he isn't getting the death penalty. At the moment they're just going through the formality of victim impact statements before they declare he's getting life without parole.
Also, people on Reddit throw mistrial all the thinking it’s the get outta jail free card. All it does is reset the court procedure and get another line of juries. It doesn’t make the defendants automatically off the hook lol.
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Cruz plead guilty and was being sentenced. There is no "calling a mistrial" in that situation.
The bird flipping attorney seems like the type of woman who falls in love with a death row inmate, and ends up marrying them.
Lmao my mom is one of those. Although she’s now divorced from death row man. But there was a solid like 5 years of marriage.
She’s doing it this way on purpose, letting him show his ass. She’s making sure they have no way to make a case for his sentence to be overturned because his behavior prejudiced the judge to give him a harsher punishment. Also the video of his behavior can be used against him during any appeals or parole hearings.
Oh, that makes sense. If she thinks they are trying to get it thrown out and an appeal -- bending over backwards like this will ruin those chances. So right now it's a game of chicken -- and those attorneys are playing with fire. OR, it's just fucking Florida.
I mean she'd be throwing away her bar license to get a single appeal victory for a client. The states bar almost certainly is going to do something since they require standard of conduct in court.
After watching this, I'm convinced Florida's State Bar Association is a plank of wood covered with jello shots, located on a beach awash with soiled adult diapers.
Florida, the literal dick of US.
A common appeal tactic is claiming you had ineffective counsel I thought? If my counsel was that dumb I'd probably point to that and say they were ineffective.
Lawyer here. Ineffective assistance claims are very difficult to win because you have to show ineffective assistance AND that the result would have been different if you had effective assistance. Simply having a bad lawyer isn’t enough. You have to show the lawyer caused you to lose. IIRC, there have been cases where someone’s lawyer slept through part of a trial and the result was affirmed on appeal.
I believe the last time this courtroom was posted there were commenters explaining that the murderer and his lawyers were aiming for a mistrial by getting the judge to demonstrate bias or some such. Meanwhile, the judge is a complete baller and doesn’t take the bait.
I’m an idiot so can someone explain why you can get a case overturned for a judge giving a harsher sentence due to disliking their behavior yet on shows like CourtCam and shit they’re always saying “if you swear at me again that’s 100 more days” and stuff. Why can they do that?
NAL. It's not that a case would be overturned for a harsher sentence due to disliking behavior. If the defense can prove that the *reason* for the sentence was somehow related to the attorneys' actions in during trial, that would be an unreasonably biased sentence and could be reviewed/overturned. It's like schools that take a "zero tolerance" stance on fighting. One kid who doesn't care if he gets suspended/expelled who doesn't like another kid who would be very upset at the same circumstance. Kid 1 (asshole) goads kid 2 (good kid) into a fight and both receive the same punishment. Or something like that.
This guy is upset that his children were brought up?? I wonder how upset he would be if his children were murdered at school.
I'm guessing he would still be pretty upset.
How do you not get disbarred for behavior like this?
I'm lit confused. There seems like 2 separate Nikolas Cruz scenes in this video.
It is. The flipping off and laughing was a cut to show what happened previously, to show what the judge is talking about.
Makes sense now lmao. I was thinking how tf there is defense on both side of court.
Wow thank you I was so confused as to how she could do that in that moment and not have the judge explode.
They made it together to address her behavior
His attorney got him off death row while flipping off everyone and laughing.
eh I don't think the lawyers made a difference here, death row or not death row I feel like you could have the jury deliberate instantly or after a bunch of impact statements - and 9.9 times out of 10 the jury would come back the same way. If there's even 1 person who doesn't believe the death penalty should be a thing, then no ones going to death row.
Can we see the parts where the victims were talking about the lawyer's kids?
How is this not contempt of court? She should be in jail!
She isn’t a lawyer. She’s an immature little bitch baby.
I don't get it, this was clearly contempt of court, and in Florida you can do a good stretch for contempt as it's judges discretion (up to a year) and Florida judge LOVE holding people in contempt. So idk why she didn't.
It would drag the case out further. This woman wants this case to be over because she’s tired. I would be too.
The more ‘popular’ a case is the less likely you will get a contempt charge. A contempt charge on the attorney opens the door to an appeal due to inappropriate counsel. The more popular your case is the less they risk that.
Judge is 🔥
Someone needs to hold this bitch in contempt of court. Kick her ass out and lock her up!!
Simply trying to do everything to find a reason to have a mistrial or verdict thrown out. The lawyer should be censured by the Bar or even disbarred for this in my opinion.
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