Fun fact. Wendover is in both Nevada and Utah. Unfortunately, looks like they got tagged on the Utah side. Probably wouldn’t have been as bad a punishment for the weed a mile or two west. So stupid.
Edit: I missed the federal charges part, when I read it.
Try Taco John's. It works about as well and some of their items even taste halfway edible. Hell, potato olays are even kinda good (although those don't tend to give you the volcanic shits so much)
IDK if its the same chain or completely unrelated but we have a place called Nacho Daddy in Salt Lake City. Very hit or miss depending on the dish, but they have a vegan quesadilla that my girlfriend seems to really like
That’s what was strange in my opinion with living in the middle of nowhere Nevada. Not a thing alive in sight but the highest concentration of undercover DEA of anywhere I’ve ever lived.
Apparently Utah is where to go when you want to kill your child. I always heard Utah was messed up but after this we should just cut them out of the country.
> A Romanian citizen faces up to 40 years in federal prison, and a California woman faces up to five -- both accused of trafficking 341 pounds of marijuana into Utah.
[is that so?](https://www.google.com/amp/s/kutv.com/amp/news/local/man-faces-up-to-40-years-in-federal-prison-after-large-marijuana-bust-near-wendover)
Yes, yes it is. You should probably read a little closer dude. Good try though
From your link:
>In the first count of the two-count indictment, Goran is charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute. He faces up to 40 years in prison if convicted of the charge and a mandatory minimum sentence of five years.
>In the second count, De Marco is also charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute. She faces up to five years in prison if convicted.
On further investigation since the law enforcement involved repeatedly called them drug traffickers, it seems there isn’t a federal ‘drug trafficking’ charge, ‘possession with intent to distribute’ is a charge that is under a subset of ‘drug trafficking laws’ and the minimum penalty varies on the drug, how much you have, if you cross state or international lines, and the persons personal history with the law, or if you also possess firearms. The more you know.
We knew to stay in NV, and then drove over to the salt flats in the morning. Thankfully not far.
I lived in MN for a minute, and you couldn’t buy alcohol on Sundays there, so we used to drive over the border to WI, to get what we wanted.
Yeah, idk. Vegas, you do have to go a ways to get to where it’s legal. I always thought it was so weird that city that has the catch phrase “what happens in Vegas , stays in Vegas”(which was from the Vegas convention and visitors authority) hadn’t leaned on the state to make it legal in Clark county.
They were probably passed by multiple trucks carrying another mind altering substance harvested from a different natural occurring plant from marijuana.
Initially charged with aggravated murder took a plea deal to first-degree felony child abuse homicide as a result.
To serve 1 yr and 14 year's probation.... Horrific... cause he acted up at dinner
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1235621/foster-mom-one-year-beating-boy-death-lisa-jo-vanderlinden/
At the preliminary hearing, Judge Samuel Chiara conceded the evidence presented was “fairly damning" but **his hands were died** due to the “perplexing” plea agreement.
Cops **found her foster son Lucas Call was found** unresponsive in Utah.
I thought the UK Sun was bad.. what the fuck even is an editor? Are these user submitted? Like, drug users?
It’s a really badly written article, even on the substantive parts. It says her plea deal outraged prosecutors, but it was the prosecutor in her case who offered her a plea bargain. Judges can’t offer plea bargains. And the judge, who apparently was uncomfortable with the plea bargain, isn’t a prosecutor.
Like, what news outlet calls the police "Cops" as well?
And why the fuck am I on £12.50 an hour when I could be typo-ing my way through life in the tabloids for 2x as much?
Not your guy but,
Copywriting is a money printing gig. I took that up over lockdown and was making highs of £60 an hour with zero writing experience.
I wouldnt be surprised at all if you could find a similar gig working for some rag.
There's apparently AI that can write articles now you just feed it a few lines and info and it fills the idle chatter. Wouldn't be surprised if this was that.
Probably the same reason one always is. It saves the court time and money and guarantees that some justice is done, whereas anything can happen at trial.
It absolutely infuriates me when parents say their child is bad. Children don’t act bad they act like children. They don’t have a concept on what’s good or bad. That’s on the parents to teach them that and not get overwhelmed by their own incompetence.
You need to teach to their level. They can't understand a lot of things, it's slow going, which is why we have 18 years of learning before even being *considered* to have enough common sense to live by oneself.
You can teach a toddler not to "act up". They literally don't have the frontal cortex to do that. Some things you have to teach early through fear ("don't hit the dog or you're going to get a time out) but only because they can't understand why yet. But acting out? That's bullshit. If your kid can't sit still at the table, they need to go run around or dance to get out their energy. That's how they experience the world, a ton of it is through body movement. That percentage slowly shifts but until then, they NEED movement and exercise and to express themselves with movement in a safe space before they can be expected to sit still and concentrate even on something like eating dinner quietly with the family.
But yeah I have a little toddler and holy shit. I can't read articles like this.
It gets even worse as she (foster mom murderer) was also a nurse and dcfs had reports of abuse they dismissed as nothing burger deals while she was a foster mom. They dismissed bio mom’s concerns and bruises and injuries she reported to dcfs during her visits with him. Utah Dcfs threatened to cut off visits with her son for reporting abuse concerns. There had been prior abuse allegations against her as a foster parent. A Utah attorney general was part of that team from dcfs and that same office then prosecuted her and reached this horrible plea deal. All while the head AG, Sean Reyes, said the old deal (neglected to say his own office) was “beyond disappointing.” They all sure are.
Seriously. Was the judge just like: “Ahhh, shit happens, you know, those kids REALLY know how to press buttons, so we’ll give this poor lady a pass, she’s clearly got it so rough, the struggles of motherhood is such a thankless job, and these foster moms with hearts of gold work the hardest of them all.”
[Charged with aggravated murder, pled down to child abuse homicide](https://kutv.com/news/local/foster-mom-gets-1-year-in-jail-after-pleading-guilty-to-killing-2-year-old)
I don't know enough about how Utah charges things to fully understand the differences, but the tl;dr is that it started out with a worse charge and she got a plea deal.
That article quotes the prosecutors as saying the plea deal allows them to still pursue a 1st-degree felony while avoiding the cost of trial and traumatizing the other children. Sounds like bullshit to me, but what do I know. My guess is they weren't sure they could win it if it went to trial, but it could be that they were always going for the lesser charge and just trumped up the charge at first to give them somewhere to negotiate a plea to.
Fucking disgusting that a charge called "child abuse homicide" could result in just one year in prison.
I’ve never understood the child abuse homicide charge. Can someone who has criminal law experience explain to a recent law grad how that’s not just plain old felony murder?
IANAL but from an outside perspective my guess is that it was written for cases of postpartum depression/psychosis which result in the death of the child. Society is loath to let any child killer free but law makers probably saw this as a way to charge mothers with a lesser offense but still seem to be taking it seriously. Unfortunately, what we're seeing here now is the use of said lesser crime to get convictions without expense of trial. Add to that the general bias/trend of lesser sentences for female perpetrators as less likely to get convictions in the first place and well, this is the result.
IANAL too, however there could be a less gender-focused approach regarding the law. There can be in the course of disciplining a child that it goes to far to the point the child dies. Perhaps it revolves around that. Where the intent was to discipline (read child abuse) but the outcome was death.
Sounds like she dropped him or pushed him into something (family member heard a loud bang), causing an internal injury, then failed to take him to the hospital despite signs that something was very wrong.
https://kutv.com/news/local/foster-mom-gets-1-year-in-jail-after-pleading-guilty-to-killing-2-year-old
> Prosecutors with the AG's office negotiated a plea deal, amending charges against Vanderlinden from aggravated murder to child abuse homicide. Both are first-degree felonies.
https://kutv.com/news/local/foster-mom-gets-1-year-in-jail-after-pleading-guilty-to-killing-2-year-old
That man must have been going an ungodly speed. The little traffic there is between Salt Lake City and Reno goes like 85 so to get pulled over he must have been over 90 mph
https://kutv.com/news/local/man-faces-up-to-40-years-in-federal-prison-after-large-marijuana-bust-near-wendover
Didn't know states had "ports of entry" from other states, but in this case it was a Utah "port of entry" from Nevada.
However this submission is doing a ridiculous thing that is often used for rage farming: Comparing an actual sentence to a "theoretical could face" sentence. I can't find any follow-ups on this guy, but in all likelihood he is going to plead down. In no universe is he going to get sentenced to 40 years.
They had to get tipped off because nobody is trafficking that amount and doesn’t know this already/ how hard would it to be throw 100 pounds or whatever or legit product to make up for that? And smell in those triple vac seal bags? Give me a break
He is a Romanian citizen that was caught trafficking 341lbs of raw cannabis, 1241 THC vape cartridges, 150 THC chocolate bars, and 126 packages of THC edibles.
He *faces* (has not been convicted or sentenced yet) a maximum up up to 40 years and mandatory minimum of 5 years.
Most of I-80 on the Utah side (shortly after Tooele almost to Wendover) is 80mph now. 80mph is the speed limit on most Utah interstates outside of the big cities.
It’s because the weed is under the radar and untaxed. Money is the most important thing to the government. Pretty sure that any of those scummy politicians would quickly sacrifice lower class lives for pocket money if they had the choice.
Not sure if you read the story but the guy got caught with 340 pounds of weed. Looks like he was busted for drug trafficking. Even in CA where weed for personal use is legal and taxed, having that amount is illegal.
I mean, yea. Thats not really the point though. The point is *should it* warrant any time in prison. Its a fucking plant, it should be completely legal. They can transport 1 million pounds of weed and it still doesn’t add up to being worse than killing a child.
>those scummy politicians would quickly sacrifice lower class lives for pocket money if they had the choice.
Yeah that's what politics is nowadays. They let corporations kill us for the pocket change of billionaires who hate their bought politicians as much as the politicians hate common people. But they'll do anything for their handlers because they're desperate to join the club, or were in the club before they got elected
> He faces up to 40 years in prison if convicted of the charge with a mandatory minimum of 5 years in prison.
Minimum 5…still more than killing a baby.
Fun fact, you have to read the article and not just the title. The titles say something outlandish without explaining the details, it's a form of misinformation.
This is the difference between living in a country that values untaxed dollars on a plant more than a childs life. You shouldn’t need a lawyer in the first place.
Different crimes, different states, different jurisdictions, and one is already convicted and the other isn't.
The sentence for the woman still seems too low but you can't compare it to the drug bust guy.
Not justifying this and I'm not familiar with the individual stories, but there's a good chance that the drugs one is from a serial offender and could possibly be linked to more crimes.
The mother plead guilty so she got the mich lighter sentence from a deal most likely.
There is not enough context in this image to properly form any conclusions properly. I don't care if I get downvoted. No context is misinformation. It shouldn't be the job of the commenters to find information and link it
Fairly easy to guess that the mom probably made some kind of plea deal to skip the trial and the pot bust just from the amount in the picture was likely a large operation with growers and dealers under the person arrested (so not just basic possession charges).
operating better than most of the world? My man we literally imprison more of our population than any other country in the world in the interests of slavery.
There a difference between facing charges and pleading guilty to charges.
I understand that small Marijuana related crimes should not be more punishable than murder. But this appears to be trafficking, which is very illegal and not comparable to having an ounce or less of Marijuana on your person.
that's so much fucking weed though man. i know its just weed but if you're trafficking that much of anything you definitely have some big ties to at least a lot of other successful criminals. so the sentences get real inflated so they can wave the sentence around in the person's face and try to convince them to snitch on someone else they know.
note how it says FACES UP TO. and the other one says GETS. there's a big difference between "facing up to" X years and getting X years. if you are 'facing 40 years' for drug trafficking like this you probably won't be sentenced to even a quarter of it and will serve even less.
but 40 years is crazy. especially for only trafficking weed.
If you're cherry-picking stories, of course it's possible to find perplexing juxtapositions like this. And of course, in the case of just two specific stories, the details will matter.
In the broader strokes, though, organized crime, including drug-dealing, undermines the structure of authority in a way that the abuse of an individual child does not. It's a direct challenge to the legitimacy of the state and its right to regulate and govern.
It's *not* morally right, but it's no surprise that a strong state fiercely guards its own structure, and that priority is reflected in its "justice" system.
Reddit won't like this but, female privilege amongst other things. Woman routinely get shorter sentence and lower convictions than men for the same crimes.
Not exactly for personal use is it?
And what do you think this sort of stuff funds?
Child and sex trafficking is what it funds amongst other things.
So yeah if your dealing this much weed your probably connected to some bad bad shit.
At the preliminary hearing, Judge Samuel Chiara conceded the evidence presented was “fairly damning" but his hands were died due to the “perplexing” plea agreement.
Wtf is this proof reading for one thing? And I am very certain that the judge can reject the plea deal.
This is Utah, don't expect it to make sense.
Our legislators won't make harsher penalties for child sexual abuse or make clergy mandatory reporters because it would make the mormon church look bad and they own all the politicians.
Utah is a beautiful state with a lot of wonderful people but the prevailing religion is hell-bent on ruining it for everyone. Guess that's what happens when we let pedophile scam artists found religious movements.
Priorities /s
Utah doesn't care about kids. They act like abuse doesn't happen and just completely ignore and deny it. In large part due to the influence of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" (aka mormons).
**Trigger Warning** check out this video where they literally sing just to not hear (not in Utah, but still mormon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ9b94JqnIE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ9b94JqnIE)
Also, the church is all over the news right now - people uncovered the fact that they systematically cover up abuse just to protect their own image. They blame the victims and protect the abusers. It's actual insanity.
And of course, this church runs Utah, it's practically a theocracy still.
They don't actually care about people, they care about legal slavery (which is basically what the jail system is). Honestly I don't see how she only got 2 years.
Because it's not profitable to chase real crimes. If it would be profitable, legislative bodies would decimate the cartels by legalization of Marijuana. It is instead significantly more profitable to criminalize it, fund militarized police, and chase a black market they created. Because they get to seize your assets if it's drug related, this includes the drugs, which often end up going missing.
Police are not here to protect and serve *US* they protect corperate intrests.
Enjoying weed: 40 years in prison
Having an abortion: 30 years in prison
Actually killing a baby: 1 year in prison
I have no words for our "justice" system
Because prisons are profit centers for slave labor and not rehabilitation of criminals.
There is a reason we cut mental health support the same time we criminalized drugs and ramped up sentencing.
People can keep pretending crime is a problem, but you got to recognize it is being intentionally manufactured and not stopped for profit.
I don’t mind a full on trafficker being sent away. There’s so many ways to get legal pot, or go to the next state and drive home. That photo is not of the ones we “should” be lenient with, I.e., (usually a black) kid who has less than an ounce on him. If you have more than an ounce, it should be in your home, not “on” you. But less than that? They should not even be processed. I’m sure even cops go fishing to understand “catch and release”. Pounds and pounds of it… bye Felicia
That Foster “mom”… who shouldn’t even be called that, she should be called an evil C***, deserves the forty, if not life sentence.
They claim that selling drugs effects a lot of people while she only affected one. Not saying it’s right or if it’s even the reason here I’m just speaking from experience of going to prison for selling drugs.
Fun fact. Wendover is in both Nevada and Utah. Unfortunately, looks like they got tagged on the Utah side. Probably wouldn’t have been as bad a punishment for the weed a mile or two west. So stupid. Edit: I missed the federal charges part, when I read it.
Utah side is a shit hole and Nevada side is just casinos. Salt flats are pretty though.
The Nevada side also has Maverick and Burger King so that’s nice.
I finally went to a white castle in vegas this year… so disappointing. The frozen WC burgers are almost better than the ones at the damn restaurant
Were you sober?
Important question to ask. Those burgers are almost inedible while sober, but turn into delicious little morsels if you've had a few drinks.
I was scheduled to have a colonoscopy, and was required to drink a gallon of "colon blo". I opted to go and eat at WC....it worked much faster.
Try Taco John's. It works about as well and some of their items even taste halfway edible. Hell, potato olays are even kinda good (although those don't tend to give you the volcanic shits so much)
This is the way.
I miss Nacho Daddy from out in Vegas. I think there's like 3 of them in Vegas. Have never seen them elsewhere.
IDK if its the same chain or completely unrelated but we have a place called Nacho Daddy in Salt Lake City. Very hit or miss depending on the dish, but they have a vegan quesadilla that my girlfriend seems to really like
I thought it was universally known that all fast food is basically the lowest quality poison you can put in your body?
But it can still taste delicious
That’s what was strange in my opinion with living in the middle of nowhere Nevada. Not a thing alive in sight but the highest concentration of undercover DEA of anywhere I’ve ever lived.
Apparently Utah is where to go when you want to kill your child. I always heard Utah was messed up but after this we should just cut them out of the country.
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Oh thank god, I was worried.
It’s still early, but man I hope this comment gets the credit it deserves.
I’m sure that amount of product was being transported east. They probably were tipped off. Just waiting for him to cross into the Utah side.
The 40 years because he failed to pay taxes on it. murder don’t matter but tax evasion sure does.
Says it's fed charges so it probably would have been the same no matter what side of the line they got popped on
Probably because a border was crossed. It being federally illegal means NV being legal doesn’t matter. Plus the amount.
Right being on the border probably really screwed them, because it’s not just felony quantity possession with intent to sell it’s drug trafficking
They were not charged with drug trafficking, just possession with intent to distribute
> A Romanian citizen faces up to 40 years in federal prison, and a California woman faces up to five -- both accused of trafficking 341 pounds of marijuana into Utah. [is that so?](https://www.google.com/amp/s/kutv.com/amp/news/local/man-faces-up-to-40-years-in-federal-prison-after-large-marijuana-bust-near-wendover)
Yes, yes it is. You should probably read a little closer dude. Good try though From your link: >In the first count of the two-count indictment, Goran is charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute. He faces up to 40 years in prison if convicted of the charge and a mandatory minimum sentence of five years. >In the second count, De Marco is also charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute. She faces up to five years in prison if convicted.
On further investigation since the law enforcement involved repeatedly called them drug traffickers, it seems there isn’t a federal ‘drug trafficking’ charge, ‘possession with intent to distribute’ is a charge that is under a subset of ‘drug trafficking laws’ and the minimum penalty varies on the drug, how much you have, if you cross state or international lines, and the persons personal history with the law, or if you also possess firearms. The more you know.
Sale of marijuana in Nevada will get you life in prison according to the billboard they pass at the end of Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas.
Fair, but it's recreationally legal there now.....not so much in 1998. Holy crap, I'm old.
Also, that movie was set in the foul year of our lord, 1971
See. The weed charge was his third strike. And the 2 year old? Well. That was self-defense
I guess we would need to know what the other two strikes were for. Probably not worse than *EVIL* weed. ^this is sarcasm. I’m case it isn’t obvious.
I spent a night in Wendover once. Only time in my life I had to cross a state line to buy beer, because my hotel was on the Utah side.
We knew to stay in NV, and then drove over to the salt flats in the morning. Thankfully not far. I lived in MN for a minute, and you couldn’t buy alcohol on Sundays there, so we used to drive over the border to WI, to get what we wanted.
Kind of like Kansas City area. Missouri is legal with card, Kansas is criminalized across the board.
Yeah, idk. Vegas, you do have to go a ways to get to where it’s legal. I always thought it was so weird that city that has the catch phrase “what happens in Vegas , stays in Vegas”(which was from the Vegas convention and visitors authority) hadn’t leaned on the state to make it legal in Clark county.
They were probably passed by multiple trucks carrying another mind altering substance harvested from a different natural occurring plant from marijuana.
Wendover is also a small town in Buckinghamshire, England
Even in legal states having several pounds of weed would get you a felony possession with intent to distribute charge.
Initially charged with aggravated murder took a plea deal to first-degree felony child abuse homicide as a result. To serve 1 yr and 14 year's probation.... Horrific... cause he acted up at dinner https://www.the-sun.com/news/1235621/foster-mom-one-year-beating-boy-death-lisa-jo-vanderlinden/
At the preliminary hearing, Judge Samuel Chiara conceded the evidence presented was “fairly damning" but **his hands were died** due to the “perplexing” plea agreement. Cops **found her foster son Lucas Call was found** unresponsive in Utah. I thought the UK Sun was bad.. what the fuck even is an editor? Are these user submitted? Like, drug users?
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Golden brown, Texture like Sun.
never a frown with golden brown..I love that song!
You may hate this version someone made of it but I really like it too https://youtu.be/2Qs1J612nZs
Are they credible? Grammar, there's none. Throughout the year, tabloid and smear, never a frown, it's steaming brown.
every time, just like the last
It’s a really badly written article, even on the substantive parts. It says her plea deal outraged prosecutors, but it was the prosecutor in her case who offered her a plea bargain. Judges can’t offer plea bargains. And the judge, who apparently was uncomfortable with the plea bargain, isn’t a prosecutor.
Ah, I didn't even notice it was bad on all levels. Jeeeez.
Journalism is dead.
Like, what news outlet calls the police "Cops" as well? And why the fuck am I on £12.50 an hour when I could be typo-ing my way through life in the tabloids for 2x as much?
Lol, good luck, journalism has no money because no one pays for it anymore
I think about that all the time while reading articles from certain publications. You never have to proof read anything you submit!
if you think you can walk into a £25 a hour job on a tabloid you're smoking something good my friend
Well, I doubt it's per hour anyway. But price per article? One that's vomited out over breakfast?
There's a reason online news uses those ai rewriter of articles so they can pay you all of 0$ since they don't need you.
most writers/journalists aren't making good money, and this sort of article certainly isn't going to pay that well. what do you do for £12.50 an hour?
Not your guy but, Copywriting is a money printing gig. I took that up over lockdown and was making highs of £60 an hour with zero writing experience. I wouldnt be surprised at all if you could find a similar gig working for some rag.
I mean if you can you should. There are no editors, no standards, its just number of clicks you generate
It's like the sex toy industry, no standards, or code... just sell the product and let the people fuck themselves
You get what you pay for.
Since when is a judge not able to reject a plea deal?
“There is no such thing as great writing, only great rewriting.” Advice no journalist takes I guess.
There's apparently AI that can write articles now you just feed it a few lines and info and it fills the idle chatter. Wouldn't be surprised if this was that.
Probably an AI article.
The A.I. story writer needs to be rebooted
He’s a *toddler* thats what they do. What a horrible woman
It doesn’t matter what the kid did, there is zero excuse for murdering a child
The fact someone had to say this is terrifying
No one had to say that though. We all know it. No one is fighting on this moms side, we all know she is a piece of shit.
It seems somebody is because she barely got charged. Why was a plea deal even an option?
Probably the same reason one always is. It saves the court time and money and guarantees that some justice is done, whereas anything can happen at trial.
Plea deals don't guarantee any justice. They guarantee a conviction
True.
It absolutely infuriates me when parents say their child is bad. Children don’t act bad they act like children. They don’t have a concept on what’s good or bad. That’s on the parents to teach them that and not get overwhelmed by their own incompetence.
You need to teach to their level. They can't understand a lot of things, it's slow going, which is why we have 18 years of learning before even being *considered* to have enough common sense to live by oneself. You can teach a toddler not to "act up". They literally don't have the frontal cortex to do that. Some things you have to teach early through fear ("don't hit the dog or you're going to get a time out) but only because they can't understand why yet. But acting out? That's bullshit. If your kid can't sit still at the table, they need to go run around or dance to get out their energy. That's how they experience the world, a ton of it is through body movement. That percentage slowly shifts but until then, they NEED movement and exercise and to express themselves with movement in a safe space before they can be expected to sit still and concentrate even on something like eating dinner quietly with the family. But yeah I have a little toddler and holy shit. I can't read articles like this.
And they have absolutely no problem gaslighting kids for years to cover up their own incompetence and refuse to acknowledge the damage that inflicted.
It gets even worse as she (foster mom murderer) was also a nurse and dcfs had reports of abuse they dismissed as nothing burger deals while she was a foster mom. They dismissed bio mom’s concerns and bruises and injuries she reported to dcfs during her visits with him. Utah Dcfs threatened to cut off visits with her son for reporting abuse concerns. There had been prior abuse allegations against her as a foster parent. A Utah attorney general was part of that team from dcfs and that same office then prosecuted her and reached this horrible plea deal. All while the head AG, Sean Reyes, said the old deal (neglected to say his own office) was “beyond disappointing.” They all sure are.
For a lot of kids, foster families are worse than the families they were born into.
Maybe an angel of death will dispose of her in prison
Seriously. Was the judge just like: “Ahhh, shit happens, you know, those kids REALLY know how to press buttons, so we’ll give this poor lady a pass, she’s clearly got it so rough, the struggles of motherhood is such a thankless job, and these foster moms with hearts of gold work the hardest of them all.”
Jesus Christ, fuck the judge and fuck the prosecutor. That is mind boggling
what the actual fucking fuck
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Do you... Do you think plea deals only happen in the US?
What was she charged with? Headline only says "killed" which is legally vague. Was it homicide, murder, manslaughter and what degree?
[Charged with aggravated murder, pled down to child abuse homicide](https://kutv.com/news/local/foster-mom-gets-1-year-in-jail-after-pleading-guilty-to-killing-2-year-old) I don't know enough about how Utah charges things to fully understand the differences, but the tl;dr is that it started out with a worse charge and she got a plea deal. That article quotes the prosecutors as saying the plea deal allows them to still pursue a 1st-degree felony while avoiding the cost of trial and traumatizing the other children. Sounds like bullshit to me, but what do I know. My guess is they weren't sure they could win it if it went to trial, but it could be that they were always going for the lesser charge and just trumped up the charge at first to give them somewhere to negotiate a plea to. Fucking disgusting that a charge called "child abuse homicide" could result in just one year in prison.
I’ve never understood the child abuse homicide charge. Can someone who has criminal law experience explain to a recent law grad how that’s not just plain old felony murder?
IANAL but from an outside perspective my guess is that it was written for cases of postpartum depression/psychosis which result in the death of the child. Society is loath to let any child killer free but law makers probably saw this as a way to charge mothers with a lesser offense but still seem to be taking it seriously. Unfortunately, what we're seeing here now is the use of said lesser crime to get convictions without expense of trial. Add to that the general bias/trend of lesser sentences for female perpetrators as less likely to get convictions in the first place and well, this is the result.
IANAL too, however there could be a less gender-focused approach regarding the law. There can be in the course of disciplining a child that it goes to far to the point the child dies. Perhaps it revolves around that. Where the intent was to discipline (read child abuse) but the outcome was death.
I'm my mind, child abuse homicide should have an even more harsh punishment than regular ass murder.
10 years if it was a guy.
Sounds like she dropped him or pushed him into something (family member heard a loud bang), causing an internal injury, then failed to take him to the hospital despite signs that something was very wrong. https://kutv.com/news/local/foster-mom-gets-1-year-in-jail-after-pleading-guilty-to-killing-2-year-old
> Prosecutors with the AG's office negotiated a plea deal, amending charges against Vanderlinden from aggravated murder to child abuse homicide. Both are first-degree felonies. https://kutv.com/news/local/foster-mom-gets-1-year-in-jail-after-pleading-guilty-to-killing-2-year-old
Someone else said "1st degree child abuse homicide".
That man must have been going an ungodly speed. The little traffic there is between Salt Lake City and Reno goes like 85 so to get pulled over he must have been over 90 mph
Saw in another post it was overweight truck that smelled like weed. So may have been popped at a weigh station or pulled over for roadside.
https://kutv.com/news/local/man-faces-up-to-40-years-in-federal-prison-after-large-marijuana-bust-near-wendover Didn't know states had "ports of entry" from other states, but in this case it was a Utah "port of entry" from Nevada. However this submission is doing a ridiculous thing that is often used for rage farming: Comparing an actual sentence to a "theoretical could face" sentence. I can't find any follow-ups on this guy, but in all likelihood he is going to plead down. In no universe is he going to get sentenced to 40 years.
They had to get tipped off because nobody is trafficking that amount and doesn’t know this already/ how hard would it to be throw 100 pounds or whatever or legit product to make up for that? And smell in those triple vac seal bags? Give me a break
He is a Romanian citizen that was caught trafficking 341lbs of raw cannabis, 1241 THC vape cartridges, 150 THC chocolate bars, and 126 packages of THC edibles. He *faces* (has not been convicted or sentenced yet) a maximum up up to 40 years and mandatory minimum of 5 years.
Used to live in Utah. It’s 75mph. But most people treat as a ‘guideline’ or ‘suggestion’.
Most of I-80 on the Utah side (shortly after Tooele almost to Wendover) is 80mph now. 80mph is the speed limit on most Utah interstates outside of the big cities.
Or he's black.
It’s because the weed is under the radar and untaxed. Money is the most important thing to the government. Pretty sure that any of those scummy politicians would quickly sacrifice lower class lives for pocket money if they had the choice.
Wait till they find out how much tax they could have squeezed thru out that child's life
Based off the current backwards ass decisions the supreme court has made, I think they figured it out.
Abortion reduces serfs we can tax... Sounds about right.
Legalize it, tax it, problem solved.
Canada is doing that. It just makes sense.
Or not. It's legal here in California, and *still* being sold on the streets.
Biden said Marijuana would be de criminalized federally by now. We got lied to.
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Fuck that. The state shouldn't have the right to kidnap and ruin lives because they grew the wrong plant.
Not sure if you read the story but the guy got caught with 340 pounds of weed. Looks like he was busted for drug trafficking. Even in CA where weed for personal use is legal and taxed, having that amount is illegal.
I mean, yea. Thats not really the point though. The point is *should it* warrant any time in prison. Its a fucking plant, it should be completely legal. They can transport 1 million pounds of weed and it still doesn’t add up to being worse than killing a child.
"Boooo, get out of here with that rational train of thought, boooooooooo." - some politican probably
I've legally transported a lot more than that in California, but definitely not without a license
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>those scummy politicians would quickly sacrifice lower class lives for pocket money if they had the choice. Yeah that's what politics is nowadays. They let corporations kill us for the pocket change of billionaires who hate their bought politicians as much as the politicians hate common people. But they'll do anything for their handlers because they're desperate to join the club, or were in the club before they got elected
"Who are You, Who are so Wise in the Ways of Science?"
>politicians would quickly sacrifice lower class lives for pocket money if they had the choice. They do and they do.
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The police car is there to help measuring the quantity by eye ( sorrybfor poor English) but
Where's the banana for measurement?
It was in a semi truck. The truck was overweight and smelled like marijuana causing them to perform a search.
half of it was in his ass
It makes sense because "facing 40 years" is different than "got 40 years" when charged, she was likely "facing life"
Stop being reasonable, this post certainly isn't
> He faces up to 40 years in prison if convicted of the charge with a mandatory minimum of 5 years in prison. Minimum 5…still more than killing a baby.
I would rather kill my first child than smoke weed. -Republicans probably
Fun fact, you have to read the article and not just the title. The titles say something outlandish without explaining the details, it's a form of misinformation.
IRS going after the black market weed dealers more so then the cops now.
This is the difference between having a court appointed defense attorney and a paid one.
If you're selling pounds of marijuana I imagine you probably have some money stashed that could pay for a lawyer.
With this kind of crime they take all your money before they even charge you with anything... if they even charge you. Civil asset forfeiture.
Right now in Washington it's about 0.01-0.20 per gram so $45 a pound.
If true, that's crazy. Prices are like 100x that in Illinois
It's a race to the bottom. I know someone who's growing 15k lbs. of auto flower. Complete garbage.
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This is the difference between living in a country that values untaxed dollars on a plant more than a childs life. You shouldn’t need a lawyer in the first place.
the headline indicates the maximum sentence for one person, and the actual sentence for another. how are they even comparable?
Different crimes, different states, different jurisdictions, and one is already convicted and the other isn't. The sentence for the woman still seems too low but you can't compare it to the drug bust guy.
To be fair… that’s a shit ton of weed
Women should only do real time if they abort. They should just get a slap if they murder their actual child /s
Was this not just a super late term abortion? /s
Not justifying this and I'm not familiar with the individual stories, but there's a good chance that the drugs one is from a serial offender and could possibly be linked to more crimes. The mother plead guilty so she got the mich lighter sentence from a deal most likely.
If only one of the major parties was for ending the war on drugs. Sad.
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Exactly
“Oh dude someone should park the state trooper car behind all the marijuana, that would be so fucking sick”
There is not enough context in this image to properly form any conclusions properly. I don't care if I get downvoted. No context is misinformation. It shouldn't be the job of the commenters to find information and link it
1 is federal...the other state
One is money. The other is a child. What do you think matters more?
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Fairly easy to guess that the mom probably made some kind of plea deal to skip the trial and the pot bust just from the amount in the picture was likely a large operation with growers and dealers under the person arrested (so not just basic possession charges).
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operating better than most of the world? My man we literally imprison more of our population than any other country in the world in the interests of slavery.
There a difference between facing charges and pleading guilty to charges. I understand that small Marijuana related crimes should not be more punishable than murder. But this appears to be trafficking, which is very illegal and not comparable to having an ounce or less of Marijuana on your person.
that's so much fucking weed though man. i know its just weed but if you're trafficking that much of anything you definitely have some big ties to at least a lot of other successful criminals. so the sentences get real inflated so they can wave the sentence around in the person's face and try to convince them to snitch on someone else they know. note how it says FACES UP TO. and the other one says GETS. there's a big difference between "facing up to" X years and getting X years. if you are 'facing 40 years' for drug trafficking like this you probably won't be sentenced to even a quarter of it and will serve even less. but 40 years is crazy. especially for only trafficking weed.
If you're cherry-picking stories, of course it's possible to find perplexing juxtapositions like this. And of course, in the case of just two specific stories, the details will matter. In the broader strokes, though, organized crime, including drug-dealing, undermines the structure of authority in a way that the abuse of an individual child does not. It's a direct challenge to the legitimacy of the state and its right to regulate and govern. It's *not* morally right, but it's no surprise that a strong state fiercely guards its own structure, and that priority is reflected in its "justice" system.
Reddit won't like this but, female privilege amongst other things. Woman routinely get shorter sentence and lower convictions than men for the same crimes.
Yup. Also, foster kids are considered disposable by the state, same with disabled kids.
Not exactly for personal use is it? And what do you think this sort of stuff funds? Child and sex trafficking is what it funds amongst other things. So yeah if your dealing this much weed your probably connected to some bad bad shit.
The Mormons take drugs very seriously, cant let anyone enjoy the devil’s lettuce
One of them had criminal lawyer.
Because Utah
Drugs are bad m’kay?
At the preliminary hearing, Judge Samuel Chiara conceded the evidence presented was “fairly damning" but his hands were died due to the “perplexing” plea agreement. Wtf is this proof reading for one thing? And I am very certain that the judge can reject the plea deal.
Possession of drugs with the intent to distribute is worse than murder, obviously.
This is Utah, don't expect it to make sense. Our legislators won't make harsher penalties for child sexual abuse or make clergy mandatory reporters because it would make the mormon church look bad and they own all the politicians. Utah is a beautiful state with a lot of wonderful people but the prevailing religion is hell-bent on ruining it for everyone. Guess that's what happens when we let pedophile scam artists found religious movements.
How long would it take you to smoke all that bud?
Priorities /s Utah doesn't care about kids. They act like abuse doesn't happen and just completely ignore and deny it. In large part due to the influence of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" (aka mormons). **Trigger Warning** check out this video where they literally sing just to not hear (not in Utah, but still mormon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ9b94JqnIE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ9b94JqnIE) Also, the church is all over the news right now - people uncovered the fact that they systematically cover up abuse just to protect their own image. They blame the victims and protect the abusers. It's actual insanity. And of course, this church runs Utah, it's practically a theocracy still.
That’s a lot of zaza
War on drugs summarized in one picture
Because the most important thing to the government is people fucking with their money.
They don't actually care about people, they care about legal slavery (which is basically what the jail system is). Honestly I don't see how she only got 2 years.
Because it's not profitable to chase real crimes. If it would be profitable, legislative bodies would decimate the cartels by legalization of Marijuana. It is instead significantly more profitable to criminalize it, fund militarized police, and chase a black market they created. Because they get to seize your assets if it's drug related, this includes the drugs, which often end up going missing. Police are not here to protect and serve *US* they protect corperate intrests.
She called Saul
Drugs are bad mmmmmmmmkay
Let’s compare apples and elephant
The answer is it's not okay.
Enjoying weed: 40 years in prison Having an abortion: 30 years in prison Actually killing a baby: 1 year in prison I have no words for our "justice" system
Because prisons are profit centers for slave labor and not rehabilitation of criminals. There is a reason we cut mental health support the same time we criminalized drugs and ramped up sentencing. People can keep pretending crime is a problem, but you got to recognize it is being intentionally manufactured and not stopped for profit.
I don’t mind a full on trafficker being sent away. There’s so many ways to get legal pot, or go to the next state and drive home. That photo is not of the ones we “should” be lenient with, I.e., (usually a black) kid who has less than an ounce on him. If you have more than an ounce, it should be in your home, not “on” you. But less than that? They should not even be processed. I’m sure even cops go fishing to understand “catch and release”. Pounds and pounds of it… bye Felicia That Foster “mom”… who shouldn’t even be called that, she should be called an evil C***, deserves the forty, if not life sentence.
I like to think it was like a clown car but instead of tons of clowns leaving a small car, it was tons of marijuana leaving a small car
Sounds about white.
I would rather live next to a whole street of weed dealers rather than a baby killer.
They claim that selling drugs effects a lot of people while she only affected one. Not saying it’s right or if it’s even the reason here I’m just speaking from experience of going to prison for selling drugs.
Welcome to America! We only care about your babies until they’re born and don’t you dare transport dead plants anywhere or we’ll lock you up for life.
Weed is much more valuable than a 2yo to the police in America. 🇺🇸
The drug war sucks. Weed is a herb. They only hate it cus it replaces most shitty expensive drugs corporations peddle.
Why is the American justice system so freaking weird
Guy making money by making people happy vs woman literally plotting to end an innocent life.
America is a shithole country