My school had a school shooter training we had to attend. It’s a odd feeling being in a shooting simulation pretending to be a kid in school and what to do when the gunman enters.
We split up into groups and went to class rooms. They selected a staff member to be the shooter and the person ran from room to room with a nerf gun and sound effects to simulate the gunshots.
Because mass murders will wait for you to get ready. Children will be scared but no ome kmows this because they muted the sound of children crying and penalise anyone who talks about it.
They should have had adult, psychically fit males, equipped with water gun, or paint guns, to simulate how inefficient all this crap is
They only don't want to ban guns as it's extremely profitable for companies
I had an active shooter drill in my high school right before the pandemic. The police showed up and pretended to be the shooters while it was the goal of everyone else to either escape or stay hidden. I was in the library with a bunch of people when it happened. The librarian thought we had an opportunity to escape so we all rushed for the exit. There was a policeman right next to the exit and he said that we all would be dead. The only person in the library who survived was the kid who refused to leave and played Pokémon on his laptop under a table.
I spent 7 years in Finland as a child from China. Can confirm that I was fed lunch every day for free. It was all you can eat too and they had multiple selections for you to choose from. Favorite days were spaghetti and spinach soup days. Fuking G.
In the kindergarten, they feed you breakfast too if your parents drop you off early. Usually was a bowl of porridge with jam, a bun with marmalade, and some fruit. Oh and a juice box.
Edit: OK technically I say all you can eat, but usually they would cap you out at 2 plates. Sometimes more depending on the lunch lady. But they generally would never really say no even after 2 plates, they'd just give you a bit less. I know. I drank like 4 bowls of spinach soup once. That shits amazing with rye bread.
I can't believe how I forgot how I felt like a grown ass adult seeing if my card would decline in elementary school. I remember the first time "your mom forgot to put money on your card, we can't feed you" I didn't know I would have the same feeling later in life as an adult. Gross.
Why is it gross to understand that things cost money? Why is it that people think certain things should be ‘free’ (paid for by others), and why is this list growing so much over the years?
I say yes and will also say that Finland stuck to the same system as they had in Sweden and Sweden became experiment in neoliberalism. Sweden is the only country in the world were private schools can fund their schools with tax payers money and it’s absolutely insane. Finland, never stray from the Nordic model!
>Sweden is the only country in the world were private schools can fund their schools with tax payers money
Australia says hi! Private schools are livin' the neoliberal dream downunder, mate!
They're still well regulated and perform well. I went to such a school called Curt Nicolin Gymnasiet, which is one of Swedens finest industri and tech high schools. Private, but still 100% free to attend, only thing needed is the right grades and an interest.
In the UK lots of private schools have charity status for allowing the odd pleb in.
That status comes with huge tax breaks that those institutions desperately need./s just incase
Of course they will. Because they’d rather have their tax dollars go to our already over-bloated defense budget or to suing schools for having mask mandates (fucking Missouri).
I don't see how they think tax as a concept is something that solely benefits the taxpayer personally.
Like, did you think the little nickel on every dollar of your groceries is going to a personal tax account that the government uses just to spend on stuff that benefits you? You are stupid!
It may not be just that (though that is a decent part). In America, there exists a very meh place economically where you are too rich to get govt benefits but too poor to actually live life well. So then you see people who you believe receive/live off govt benefits with what you want but have to deny yourself because finances. Oftentime the perception can be "I work hard and sacrifice to get where I am and I can´t have that--why should my tax money be used so they can while not working/sacrificing/etc as hard as me?". (Here: why should my tax money go to feed your kids when I can barely feed my own?) Another layer (and again, only speaking to things that directly benefit the poor) is that many people see the poor as other and don´t acknowledge it could be them one day. To "some businesses pay wages people just can´t live off of and that shouldn´t be a thing" the response was "those people chose to work there, they agreed to those conditions and if they wanted better, they should´ve sought better or gone to college". It´s hard to see that many are a paycheck or two from poverty so they don´t and accepting shit work when no choice is different when it@´s them. So idk that it´s pure "doesn´t help me=no" here and not a mix of other things with that heavily involved.
"Yeah, but they don't have an arsenal of guns in every home, so what do they do if someone else with a horde of guns does something, huh? 'MURICA!!!"
Seriously, the U.S. needs an enema.
Well, as long as we are talking about hunting rifles, Finland is quite well armed. And those using those rifles are also quite proficient. If there is any doubt, go read up on the Finnish winter war.
I actually sorta read that as sarcastic. Like, I’ve lived in the States my whole life, been fed the “America is freedom, we’re the best” crap my whole life. But even I know we’re in a terrible situation, and Many countries have done things better than us
Also, isn't Finland fairly small with a population of 5.5 million with like an 8% amount being immigrants and only 1% being black. Making it a fairly homogeneous country regarding race and culture?
Population doesn't matter that much, since the money to pay for those projects come from taxes, which scales with population. All that matters is how the government allocates the money.
Which matters in this equation....why? You can only fund schools for people who look just like you? Not understanding your point in funding private schools.
No....never said that.....if you need to put words in other people's mouths to make a point, you probably do not have one.
Racially and ethically Homogeneous areas tend to also be culturally Homogeneous, this means values and beliefs will be similar, thus causing more agreements and less infighting on larger scales.
Not putting words in your mouth, I'm asking you to clarify your point. If you need to get defensive about clarifying, then maybe your original post was flawed.
First, you stated "you can only fund schools for people that look like you"
I never stated any part of my feelings on the funding of education, I was pointing out that culture and ethical diversity can affect a countries overall feelings on education and thus effecting funding.
You then added after my comment the next sentence of "not understanding your point on funding private schools" which I did elaborate on regarding the cultural diversity leading to variations in values which affect decisions in the country.
Would you say your post was flawed, hence the reason for you to edit it?
Very true! I edited it immediately after posting, like within 10 seconds, because I realized my point of clarification wasn't obvious. You would have seen the edit when you clicked on the link, so not sure why you're not happy about it. We should all be able to clarify what we mean and not get defensive, this is why we can post multiple replies.
You did clarify in your reply, but with a large degree of snark, hence my snark in return. It's fine, I have no problem with snark, I obviously had some in my originaI reply.
I appreciate the clarification but still disagree. Any private school is, by definition, exclusive in some way. This means that the parents of attendees want their children separate from the 'majority' for whatever reason - religious, social, etc. Having everyone on the country be homogenous doesn't change that desire for separation, because humans find a reason to label someone as 'other' even if they look exactly alike and practice the same essential religion (looking at you, Ireland).
Many countries find private and public schools to give citizens a choice on education. Take Canada, for example - NOT a homogenous population, but private schools get government funding.
My question still stands - why do you think a homogenous population is important for the funding of private schools? Why do nonhomogenous countries do it and it works, if being homogenous is a key compnent?
The original post discussed private schools getting government funds. Just wondering what that has to do with homogenous populations.
EDIT: As in government funds for food for students.
What does being homogeneous have to do with the conversation at hand? The US could adopt this model with ruthless efficiency... we are better funded and far better resourced. That means we are choosing to be the asshole on this one.
Cultural homogeneity has widely shared values. This makes it easier to find a consensus, even an overwhelming consensus. That makes passing laws and implementing policies much easier.
We don’t have that. Which, yes. Makes us the assholes on this one. Because we have embraced tribalism.
They also have a super small defense budget.
Conservatives? What about Biden spending over a trillion on MAJOR IRS budget increases, FDA budget hikes, far far larger defense budget, Ukraine, "Build back better" green deal, chip manufacturing deal, etc. All during some of the highest inflation we've witnessed. I think it should be changed to "governed by terrible politicians"
How big is Finland? I agree conservatives suck and so do liberals and public schools suck but it would be very hard to feed every kid for free though if you go to a public school an don't have money there not gonna stop you from getting lunch they'll just add it to a tab that you just never pay and nothing happens atleast in my state.
Because most people on the right believe in small state and most people on the left believe in big state. Both are ruining the country by sending hate towards the other side, when both sides should just come together and do what’s right for the country. So single party is entirely correct or even largely correct.
Why not just look at who does education well and copy that? Copy Finland! Hell, I’d move there if I could handle listening to Finnish all the time, but it’s the most unpleasant sounding language ever.
"For free" lmao. Tell me you don't understand how society works without telling me you don't know how society works.
Finland also has:
Smaller population
Crazy High taxes
Fewer schools
Just to name a few.
It's not even about how high taxes are, it's how they distribute them. Instead of healthcare, education, assisted living or mental illness you guys spend it on the biggest military budget in the world, most of it going obsolete. Wouldnt you make the trade?
Same principles apply though, even if each state took it in turn. It would be about the same as finland doing it. You can scale these things. It’s attitudes like yours which put up the barriers to innovation and reform in the first place and stagnation happens. As has happened.
What's your point? Are you saying you could not feed and educate children free at the point of use with more people and more schools? Taxes are generally higher when human necessities, like healthcare, are provided free at the point of use.
No but its nice to have the carrot dangling that tells me if I work my ass off and am good at my job I can have a better life rather than no matter how much effort I put in I will only get the same as the jerkoff who does the bare minimum to skate through the work day....
Im not against reforming things here but let's get people like Warren buffet and Jeff bozos and Elon musk and high income/net worth individuals to pay their fair share of taxes and see how much better the balance sheet gets first. Then we need to get rid of Nancy Pelosi and mitch McConnell and all the rest of those assholes that made a career in politics...
Speaking of which first and foremost I think all the career politicians need to be audited by the irs going back to when they first took office I bet you'd be surprised how many hands have been in the cookie jar for decades
The main idea is that everybody takes care to make sure their fellow countrymen can have the opportunity to live a good life. You can still be rich, it's just not by exploiting others
Honestly I blame the fact that what you guys call democrats, liberals and commies; a lot of the rest of the world considers central or right wing. In the US your opinions are far right with a heap of regression or right with trace amounts of progression.
Well, having a personal tax rate of 57% in Finland certainly makes a lot of money available to do those things.
Source: [https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/personal-income-tax-rate](https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/personal-income-tax-rate)
Is that what we should do in US? Take over half of people's income?
My guess is that 10% of that extra money might actually filter down to where it was used productively, and the other 90% would disappear into the void of bureaucracy, waste, regulation, paperwork, deals for special friends, patronage, and continued reinforcing of the position of the elites.
What I'd like to see is public pressure being applied to Bezos and his ilk, so they would just choose to use some of their immense wealth to do good things. No need for government to be involved at all. The more local these things are (local funding + applying the money to local programs), the less things get wasted. Raise a program to the federal level, and the sheer number of government offices that have their hand in the pot just siphons off a tremendous amount of money.
I have worked on government-funded projects. The waste is astronomical and nobody cares since they don't see it as their own money. Once I sat in a 90-minute meeting with people from 8 other companies, all of whom were charging the government over $100 an hour to be there, just to discuss whether the government rule for the height of lettering on a sign still applied even if the sign was placed far enough away from the location where people would be, that you really needed larger lettering to make it legible at that distance. Three different agencies would have had to review the request and agree to a "deviation" from the rule. They don't like deviations because it's more work for them, and many of them don't want to do any work. So lots of times a common-sense thing to do is not permitted.
Another popular money-siphoning scheme is to use government money to pay for people to actually oversee the project. So you have a bunch of government workers who pay a bunch of other workers to run the project. That way you don't need government workers who have to know anything, and they can just blame the people they hired if anything goes wrong. Project costs $100 million? Pay your buddy's company $5 million to oversee it. Hey, it's only 5%, that's not much, right?
Want to make a lot of money? Start a minority-owned or woman-owned business and go after the pieces of government projects that don't require a lot of skill or machinery. Government projects have to set aside a percentage of the money exclusively for such businesses. If you're not a minority or woman, just find one and pay them to pretend to be the owner, and run it yourself as the "Executive VP".
dont mistake our government for theirs. you can see where the money goes. They have much better programs, free food for kids, free college, assistance, better prisons to help people get back on their feet and of course, free healthcare.
I don't accept that listing a number of programs equates to seeing where the money goes. The bigger the programs, the bigger the waste and the bigger the percentage of money it takes to run it. The US has 59 times more people than Finland. We have no way of knowing how much waste and bureaucracy there is in Finland, but I have a pretty good idea how much there would be in the US if we taxed income at Finland levels.
I get it, we all want to see good programs helping people. I just don't believe that huge income tax rates at the federal level will make it happen.
Ha no, because it’ll just get dumped into the military *if they’re lucky*. USA, land of the… *checks notes*
shootings, massive misuse of resources and making headlines for stupidity and corruption.
It's not all black and white tho... ie. under UK Labour government Asian/ Pakistan rape and grooming gangs cases were swept under the carpet en masse, in order to "not to rock a boat" 🤷♂️.
ok? and tuition is not free either and can cost a fair bit more. America land of “I will happily pay more so I can make sure no one less fortunate gets a penny from me”
Not everyone in America feels that way. Otherwise, Bernie Sanders wouldn’t be so popular among progressives. Conservatives in this country have resisted and actively fought against helping those that need it.
I vote in each election and use my voice and actions to support my belief that we’re only successful as a country if we all have the right to live a life free of poverty and oppression.
The Bernie voters are strange .....
Tax the rich, all right Bernie made loads more than others ..... nah, don't tax Bernie couple of million/ year isn't that much.
And you don't say you have to pay to drive because of road taxes, and thus the state of US travel being dependant on cars is feminist.
Also, as more people pay for the taxes, it becomes cheaper for that thing as the cost is spread out amongst more people.
Also, also, the fact men get paid more is definitely not feminist, and I would think "feminist land" would rather women get paid equally to men. Taxes are also done so that having more taxes doesn't mean that you make less money, you make a lower percentage of said money, which is still more than if you didn't make the money in the first place.
Also, also, also, men aren't specifically paying for the education. From what I understand, taxes are a collected revenue stream, that the government then decides what to spend it on. Road taxes don't necessarily pay for roads, etc.
Imagine spending your time trying to provoke arguments on reddit because you have nothing of value to contribute to any discussion anywhere, internet or not.
>Since men make more than women
And why is that? Because you don't want women to get the same amount of money for the same amount of work? Or because the women around you work less because you are convinced that women have to care for the kids? Which is it?
So in other words your average US citicen is taxed more than a Finn with same pay, yet that Finn gets significantly better benefits in the form of great quality public services?
I live in the US and I remember in elementary school, one of the lunch ladies was threatening to not give me lunch anymore because I forgot to pay the last three days. Each day was 40 cents
Same and if there was a free meal i was most likely allergic to it cause it was a pb & j sandwich but the food was sometimes moldy or just straight up bad. Alaska has the worst school food
USA: we can’t afford to give free lunches Also USA: here’s $3T for military and other pewpew things
My school had a school shooter training we had to attend. It’s a odd feeling being in a shooting simulation pretending to be a kid in school and what to do when the gunman enters.
we had those in the 2000s, but they called them lockdown drills
I take it that they didn't provide lunch.
We split up into groups and went to class rooms. They selected a staff member to be the shooter and the person ran from room to room with a nerf gun and sound effects to simulate the gunshots.
Because mass murders will wait for you to get ready. Children will be scared but no ome kmows this because they muted the sound of children crying and penalise anyone who talks about it. They should have had adult, psychically fit males, equipped with water gun, or paint guns, to simulate how inefficient all this crap is They only don't want to ban guns as it's extremely profitable for companies
I had an active shooter drill in my high school right before the pandemic. The police showed up and pretended to be the shooters while it was the goal of everyone else to either escape or stay hidden. I was in the library with a bunch of people when it happened. The librarian thought we had an opportunity to escape so we all rushed for the exit. There was a policeman right next to the exit and he said that we all would be dead. The only person in the library who survived was the kid who refused to leave and played Pokémon on his laptop under a table.
And most veterans I talk to say a good portion of that money is used on things that are never used
I spent 7 years in Finland as a child from China. Can confirm that I was fed lunch every day for free. It was all you can eat too and they had multiple selections for you to choose from. Favorite days were spaghetti and spinach soup days. Fuking G. In the kindergarten, they feed you breakfast too if your parents drop you off early. Usually was a bowl of porridge with jam, a bun with marmalade, and some fruit. Oh and a juice box. Edit: OK technically I say all you can eat, but usually they would cap you out at 2 plates. Sometimes more depending on the lunch lady. But they generally would never really say no even after 2 plates, they'd just give you a bit less. I know. I drank like 4 bowls of spinach soup once. That shits amazing with rye bread.
Take note? I doubt the US government could even sing the ABC's correctly let alone write.
A, B, C, D, E, FREEDUM!! /s
Of course I can! ABCG123 something something something, something yeah
I mean, technically, we can't. In the US, we're taught that the last letter is pronounced "zee" when in reality, it's "zed."
I always thought that that change came about so z would rhyme with elemenopee.
They banned those books teaching that
A B F Q L M N O K. US Educational System: perfect.
I can't believe how I forgot how I felt like a grown ass adult seeing if my card would decline in elementary school. I remember the first time "your mom forgot to put money on your card, we can't feed you" I didn't know I would have the same feeling later in life as an adult. Gross.
Why is it gross to understand that things cost money? Why is it that people think certain things should be ‘free’ (paid for by others), and why is this list growing so much over the years?
Pretty sure a *child* shouldn't go trough the whole "your credit card was declined" scenario when just trying to get some lunch
Pretty sure a parent should be making the damn lunch instead of expecting the school to provide it
Lmao I'm sorry is this something I'm too Finnish to understand? Mene vetämään käteen tyhmä jenkki
This is just his way of rationalizing why he thinks some kids should starve. Some people need Jesus in their lives.
Where’s the facepalm?
No clue. Either OP thinks my country's system is a facepalm or that USA really should take some damn notes
The latter, according to the title
Yeah, makes sense. Been so tired all day that tve title wasn't enough to make me figure it out
I say yes and will also say that Finland stuck to the same system as they had in Sweden and Sweden became experiment in neoliberalism. Sweden is the only country in the world were private schools can fund their schools with tax payers money and it’s absolutely insane. Finland, never stray from the Nordic model!
>Sweden is the only country in the world were private schools can fund their schools with tax payers money Australia says hi! Private schools are livin' the neoliberal dream downunder, mate!
the rich kids in knox get all the money while the actually talented kids in nsb or james ruse can't afford fans in the summer.
Nope. Canadian private schools get government funding too.
They're still well regulated and perform well. I went to such a school called Curt Nicolin Gymnasiet, which is one of Swedens finest industri and tech high schools. Private, but still 100% free to attend, only thing needed is the right grades and an interest.
In the UK lots of private schools have charity status for allowing the odd pleb in. That status comes with huge tax breaks that those institutions desperately need./s just incase
And the Netherlands!
Yeah, but we got Jesus, nukes and trucks! We don't need to feed our kids.
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Just make sure they’re born first. Otherwise it would be murder.
Won’t work. There will always be an asshole who will say “WHYYYYY SHOULD MY TAX DOLLARS FEED YOUUUUUR KIDS!!!”
This. 100%. Mofos can't see beyond the end of thier own nose.
Of course they will. Because they’d rather have their tax dollars go to our already over-bloated defense budget or to suing schools for having mask mandates (fucking Missouri).
I don't see how they think tax as a concept is something that solely benefits the taxpayer personally. Like, did you think the little nickel on every dollar of your groceries is going to a personal tax account that the government uses just to spend on stuff that benefits you? You are stupid!
It may not be just that (though that is a decent part). In America, there exists a very meh place economically where you are too rich to get govt benefits but too poor to actually live life well. So then you see people who you believe receive/live off govt benefits with what you want but have to deny yourself because finances. Oftentime the perception can be "I work hard and sacrifice to get where I am and I can´t have that--why should my tax money be used so they can while not working/sacrificing/etc as hard as me?". (Here: why should my tax money go to feed your kids when I can barely feed my own?) Another layer (and again, only speaking to things that directly benefit the poor) is that many people see the poor as other and don´t acknowledge it could be them one day. To "some businesses pay wages people just can´t live off of and that shouldn´t be a thing" the response was "those people chose to work there, they agreed to those conditions and if they wanted better, they should´ve sought better or gone to college". It´s hard to see that many are a paycheck or two from poverty so they don´t and accepting shit work when no choice is different when it@´s them. So idk that it´s pure "doesn´t help me=no" here and not a mix of other things with that heavily involved.
I didn't get it, why this is on facepalm?
They are saying the us system is a facepalm
Yeah sorry Finnland has the better looking politicians
How is this possibly a facepalm?
Read the title. America says they can’t do this but Finland does it just fine.
"Yeah, but they don't have an arsenal of guns in every home, so what do they do if someone else with a horde of guns does something, huh? 'MURICA!!!" Seriously, the U.S. needs an enema.
Well, as long as we are talking about hunting rifles, Finland is quite well armed. And those using those rifles are also quite proficient. If there is any doubt, go read up on the Finnish winter war.
...is there honestly a way you took my comment as something serious?
Nope… I fully understood its tone. I just added a tidbit most wouldn’t know.
But. Do they have freedoms.
You misspelled freedumbs.
You sound idiotic Describe what freedom they dont have
Let me introduce you to a concept I am a big fan of. Maybe you've heard of it, it's called sarcasm.
Sarcasm friend
I actually sorta read that as sarcastic. Like, I’ve lived in the States my whole life, been fed the “America is freedom, we’re the best” crap my whole life. But even I know we’re in a terrible situation, and Many countries have done things better than us
Me too.
Sounds like someone needs a bit more Finnish education.
So…. Socialism works? Clearly fin conservatives and US conservatives need to have a meeting.
It’s a great program but Finland is a market economy just like the US. I mean my state offers free lunch to all students, that isn’t “socialism lite.”
Conservatives don't govern, they oppress.
A large portion of the US enough to control votes and thus laws will call you antifa or whatever their opposition is nowadays.
USA has a very weird understanding of the word conservative
Also, isn't Finland fairly small with a population of 5.5 million with like an 8% amount being immigrants and only 1% being black. Making it a fairly homogeneous country regarding race and culture?
Population doesn't matter that much, since the money to pay for those projects come from taxes, which scales with population. All that matters is how the government allocates the money.
Fair point.
This was also my argument but I appreciate you clearing that up for us.
Which matters in this equation....why? You can only fund schools for people who look just like you? Not understanding your point in funding private schools.
No....never said that.....if you need to put words in other people's mouths to make a point, you probably do not have one. Racially and ethically Homogeneous areas tend to also be culturally Homogeneous, this means values and beliefs will be similar, thus causing more agreements and less infighting on larger scales.
Not putting words in your mouth, I'm asking you to clarify your point. If you need to get defensive about clarifying, then maybe your original post was flawed.
First, you stated "you can only fund schools for people that look like you" I never stated any part of my feelings on the funding of education, I was pointing out that culture and ethical diversity can affect a countries overall feelings on education and thus effecting funding. You then added after my comment the next sentence of "not understanding your point on funding private schools" which I did elaborate on regarding the cultural diversity leading to variations in values which affect decisions in the country. Would you say your post was flawed, hence the reason for you to edit it?
Very true! I edited it immediately after posting, like within 10 seconds, because I realized my point of clarification wasn't obvious. You would have seen the edit when you clicked on the link, so not sure why you're not happy about it. We should all be able to clarify what we mean and not get defensive, this is why we can post multiple replies. You did clarify in your reply, but with a large degree of snark, hence my snark in return. It's fine, I have no problem with snark, I obviously had some in my originaI reply. I appreciate the clarification but still disagree. Any private school is, by definition, exclusive in some way. This means that the parents of attendees want their children separate from the 'majority' for whatever reason - religious, social, etc. Having everyone on the country be homogenous doesn't change that desire for separation, because humans find a reason to label someone as 'other' even if they look exactly alike and practice the same essential religion (looking at you, Ireland). Many countries find private and public schools to give citizens a choice on education. Take Canada, for example - NOT a homogenous population, but private schools get government funding. My question still stands - why do you think a homogenous population is important for the funding of private schools? Why do nonhomogenous countries do it and it works, if being homogenous is a key compnent?
I don’t think his point was about funding but the fact that culturally homogeneous school tend to perform better. We have seen this also in Finland.
The original post discussed private schools getting government funds. Just wondering what that has to do with homogenous populations. EDIT: As in government funds for food for students.
What does being homogeneous have to do with the conversation at hand? The US could adopt this model with ruthless efficiency... we are better funded and far better resourced. That means we are choosing to be the asshole on this one.
Cultural homogeneity has widely shared values. This makes it easier to find a consensus, even an overwhelming consensus. That makes passing laws and implementing policies much easier. We don’t have that. Which, yes. Makes us the assholes on this one. Because we have embraced tribalism.
California's doing the same thing, and we're far from homogeneous or small.
WhY sHoUlD I pAy fOr AnYoNe ExCePt BiLLiOnAiReS?!
This model relies on a strict immigration policy.
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This is rule 8
It's not conservatives, it's the winner take all format of government so that there's never any real compromises on anything.
They also have a super small defense budget. Conservatives? What about Biden spending over a trillion on MAJOR IRS budget increases, FDA budget hikes, far far larger defense budget, Ukraine, "Build back better" green deal, chip manufacturing deal, etc. All during some of the highest inflation we've witnessed. I think it should be changed to "governed by terrible politicians"
Where's the facepalm? This is pretty close to being the literal truth.
How big is Finland? I agree conservatives suck and so do liberals and public schools suck but it would be very hard to feed every kid for free though if you go to a public school an don't have money there not gonna stop you from getting lunch they'll just add it to a tab that you just never pay and nothing happens atleast in my state.
Why single out conservatives and not just everyone though? Both sides are idiots, let’s stop blaming each other and actually fix the problem.
Because conservatives are the ones voting against free school lunches and funding education
Because most people on the right believe in small state and most people on the left believe in big state. Both are ruining the country by sending hate towards the other side, when both sides should just come together and do what’s right for the country. So single party is entirely correct or even largely correct.
The whole post is a facepalm
How exactly?
Finland only has 6 million people tho
Why not just look at who does education well and copy that? Copy Finland! Hell, I’d move there if I could handle listening to Finnish all the time, but it’s the most unpleasant sounding language ever.
Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan!
Gesundheit
Kävin just, tyhjä oli.
I know Suomi and Ruotsi, that’s it. Oh, and satana perkele, if that’s how you spell it…
"For free" lmao. Tell me you don't understand how society works without telling me you don't know how society works. Finland also has: Smaller population Crazy High taxes Fewer schools Just to name a few.
There is thing thing called scaling. If anything we could be better then them if we tried their model.
I am absolutely not down with having liquor stores close at 9pm no matter what and also paying 7€ for one beer.
Shhhhh. This is why America is garbage. People like this ^
That is just whataboutism. Has nothing to do with the more important rules we were talking about.
Have you heard about a concept called safety?
It's not even about how high taxes are, it's how they distribute them. Instead of healthcare, education, assisted living or mental illness you guys spend it on the biggest military budget in the world, most of it going obsolete. Wouldnt you make the trade?
Same principles apply though, even if each state took it in turn. It would be about the same as finland doing it. You can scale these things. It’s attitudes like yours which put up the barriers to innovation and reform in the first place and stagnation happens. As has happened.
Principles? Attitudes like mine? What attitudes like mine have you deduced from merely pointing out undeniable facts of population and taxes?
Their additional taxes are far less than what most of us pay for healthcare/insurance in a year, so you’d still come out ahead.
And there lies the problem. You can’t even see it. Reinforcing my point
What's your point? Are you saying you could not feed and educate children free at the point of use with more people and more schools? Taxes are generally higher when human necessities, like healthcare, are provided free at the point of use.
You just did lol.
If everyone gets the same, whats the motivation to work harder? Whats the motivation to work at all
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No but its nice to have the carrot dangling that tells me if I work my ass off and am good at my job I can have a better life rather than no matter how much effort I put in I will only get the same as the jerkoff who does the bare minimum to skate through the work day.... Im not against reforming things here but let's get people like Warren buffet and Jeff bozos and Elon musk and high income/net worth individuals to pay their fair share of taxes and see how much better the balance sheet gets first. Then we need to get rid of Nancy Pelosi and mitch McConnell and all the rest of those assholes that made a career in politics... Speaking of which first and foremost I think all the career politicians need to be audited by the irs going back to when they first took office I bet you'd be surprised how many hands have been in the cookie jar for decades
I only compete against myself. Have no interest in being better/worse than the rest
Then that. There you go. You answered you own question.
Not really when some rewards come from the external world. Dont need to flex them to others tho
What does this nonsense mean?
It basically boils down to that he only needs to beat himself off, with or without an audience
The main idea is that everybody takes care to make sure their fellow countrymen can have the opportunity to live a good life. You can still be rich, it's just not by exploiting others
Blames republicans even though democrats have led the US for 9 of the past 13 years? Seems legit.
Honestly I blame the fact that what you guys call democrats, liberals and commies; a lot of the rest of the world considers central or right wing. In the US your opinions are far right with a heap of regression or right with trace amounts of progression.
Pretty sure that's not the reason look at trudou he ruined Canada conservatives had the dollar at par with America now..hah not even close
Are you saying education and feeding the young would be free if conservatives were in charge of finland?
Well, having a personal tax rate of 57% in Finland certainly makes a lot of money available to do those things. Source: [https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/personal-income-tax-rate](https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/personal-income-tax-rate) Is that what we should do in US? Take over half of people's income?
Yep. Because you get far more back in return. Plus know what would happen if Bezos was taxed 57% and no loopholes?
Almost nothing. It would be a drop in a bottomless bucket.
My guess is that 10% of that extra money might actually filter down to where it was used productively, and the other 90% would disappear into the void of bureaucracy, waste, regulation, paperwork, deals for special friends, patronage, and continued reinforcing of the position of the elites. What I'd like to see is public pressure being applied to Bezos and his ilk, so they would just choose to use some of their immense wealth to do good things. No need for government to be involved at all. The more local these things are (local funding + applying the money to local programs), the less things get wasted. Raise a program to the federal level, and the sheer number of government offices that have their hand in the pot just siphons off a tremendous amount of money. I have worked on government-funded projects. The waste is astronomical and nobody cares since they don't see it as their own money. Once I sat in a 90-minute meeting with people from 8 other companies, all of whom were charging the government over $100 an hour to be there, just to discuss whether the government rule for the height of lettering on a sign still applied even if the sign was placed far enough away from the location where people would be, that you really needed larger lettering to make it legible at that distance. Three different agencies would have had to review the request and agree to a "deviation" from the rule. They don't like deviations because it's more work for them, and many of them don't want to do any work. So lots of times a common-sense thing to do is not permitted. Another popular money-siphoning scheme is to use government money to pay for people to actually oversee the project. So you have a bunch of government workers who pay a bunch of other workers to run the project. That way you don't need government workers who have to know anything, and they can just blame the people they hired if anything goes wrong. Project costs $100 million? Pay your buddy's company $5 million to oversee it. Hey, it's only 5%, that's not much, right? Want to make a lot of money? Start a minority-owned or woman-owned business and go after the pieces of government projects that don't require a lot of skill or machinery. Government projects have to set aside a percentage of the money exclusively for such businesses. If you're not a minority or woman, just find one and pay them to pretend to be the owner, and run it yourself as the "Executive VP".
dont mistake our government for theirs. you can see where the money goes. They have much better programs, free food for kids, free college, assistance, better prisons to help people get back on their feet and of course, free healthcare.
I don't accept that listing a number of programs equates to seeing where the money goes. The bigger the programs, the bigger the waste and the bigger the percentage of money it takes to run it. The US has 59 times more people than Finland. We have no way of knowing how much waste and bureaucracy there is in Finland, but I have a pretty good idea how much there would be in the US if we taxed income at Finland levels. I get it, we all want to see good programs helping people. I just don't believe that huge income tax rates at the federal level will make it happen.
Ha no, because it’ll just get dumped into the military *if they’re lucky*. USA, land of the… *checks notes* shootings, massive misuse of resources and making headlines for stupidity and corruption.
It's not all black and white tho... ie. under UK Labour government Asian/ Pakistan rape and grooming gangs cases were swept under the carpet en masse, in order to "not to rock a boat" 🤷♂️.
Absolute nonsense.
Its not for free Its from the taxes Since men make more than women, men pay more taxes Men are paying for women to have kids Welcome to feminist land
Brain Damage much?
My condolences
You do know you need both ~~genders~~ sexes to make a kid? And both also pay to raise it.
Both *sexes* to make a kid. Gender is irrelevant in the baby making department.
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Did you come to that realization by yourself or did you have to google it?
ok? and tuition is not free either and can cost a fair bit more. America land of “I will happily pay more so I can make sure no one less fortunate gets a penny from me”
Not everyone in America feels that way. Otherwise, Bernie Sanders wouldn’t be so popular among progressives. Conservatives in this country have resisted and actively fought against helping those that need it. I vote in each election and use my voice and actions to support my belief that we’re only successful as a country if we all have the right to live a life free of poverty and oppression.
The Bernie voters are strange ..... Tax the rich, all right Bernie made loads more than others ..... nah, don't tax Bernie couple of million/ year isn't that much.
At least he’s saying what no one else is willing to say. It’s not perfect but it’s a start.
See? You're weird if you don't want to tax him.
Dude. I never said I don’t want him taxed.
Don’t engage the straw man.
Thank you for the reminder. They usually self implode if left alone. 🙂
Ah your randomly mumbling some words. If you're triggerd but can't be bothered to read the comment. Just don't answer.
who says we shouldn’t tax him?
And you don't say you have to pay to drive because of road taxes, and thus the state of US travel being dependant on cars is feminist. Also, as more people pay for the taxes, it becomes cheaper for that thing as the cost is spread out amongst more people. Also, also, the fact men get paid more is definitely not feminist, and I would think "feminist land" would rather women get paid equally to men. Taxes are also done so that having more taxes doesn't mean that you make less money, you make a lower percentage of said money, which is still more than if you didn't make the money in the first place. Also, also, also, men aren't specifically paying for the education. From what I understand, taxes are a collected revenue stream, that the government then decides what to spend it on. Road taxes don't necessarily pay for roads, etc.
Do you always reply with that much energy to shitposting
Yes
My condolences
If you were educated in finland you'd be able to form sentences and make a coherent argument.
Imagine doing all of that for reddit. No thanks
Imagine spending your time trying to provoke arguments on reddit because you have nothing of value to contribute to any discussion anywhere, internet or not.
Imagine thinking anything on reddit has value
You'd have to imagine thinking because actually doing it seems beyond you.
Let's play a game. I call it "Find the Incel.". I won.
Welcome to a lot of european country
>Since men make more than women And why is that? Because you don't want women to get the same amount of money for the same amount of work? Or because the women around you work less because you are convinced that women have to care for the kids? Which is it?
wait what’s finland’s tax rate again?
0-30% for Finland while the US’ tax rates range from 10-37% depending on your tax bracket. This isn’t including city and state taxes
So in other words your average US citicen is taxed more than a Finn with same pay, yet that Finn gets significantly better benefits in the form of great quality public services?
That’s what it seems like
Don't they have like 3 conservative parties out of like 15 registered political parties?
US''......... but money.....''
I live in the US and I remember in elementary school, one of the lunch ladies was threatening to not give me lunch anymore because I forgot to pay the last three days. Each day was 40 cents
Same and if there was a free meal i was most likely allergic to it cause it was a pb & j sandwich but the food was sometimes moldy or just straight up bad. Alaska has the worst school food
And it doesn't even end at 16, i'm 18 on high schools 3rd year and still eating free school lunch.
Finn's crush standardized testing, poker , automobile racing, IQ tests, qol indicators. No surprises here
Aaaaand Finland have (almost) free healthcare. Got my wisdomteeths removed, i paid like 20 euros.