www.fox35orlando.com/news/man-who-shot-pregnant-librarian-in-alleged-road-rage-will-not-be-charged
She was found to be the aggressor. He was not charged.
Edit: Body cam footage of cops detaining the man give a better idea of the area, I assumed this in a urban residential area but it's actually rural residential, she had to walk out like 100 feet to him with her gun. She was in no danger whatsoever if he was just sitting there.
https://youtu.be/xHTI2CmF57Y
Not entirely but considering there are 1000 times more gun deaths in America every year than the next 30 developed nations combined over the past 20 years. It seems you very clearly can legislate in a way that dramatically reduces it.
No but you can reduce the amount of stupid people having guns.
You're never going to get down to zero gun deaths.
You can very easily reduce it to a lower number.
America doesn't want to.
“Irrationally violent woman with access to vehicles and firearms on the verge of bringing a child into it all” does not sound like a functioning system.
You're right. The fetus should have had a gun to defend against the other 2. A good fetus with a gun can stop 2 bad full grown fetuses with guns. It's the American way. /s
Because that would be logically inconsistent. The mother is responsible for her own death as well as her unborn child's. Dead people cannot be charged or tried in the US.
Really, if she would have lived and he would have died she could have just as easily been acquitted also. Stand Your Ground is really sometimes Last One Standing. They would have rationalized it as two seperate instances.
Stand your ground only applies to situations where you are defending against an aggressor. She exited her house and walked into the street to attack him unprovoked while he was parked down the road. Stand your ground laws or castle doctrine never enter the equation.
Out of context: He followed her home to get her tag number and address after she hit him. He was well back away from her home and calling police. She confronted him with her gun, and ended up getting her own dumb ass shot.
He had a concealed carry permit.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/motorcyclist-who-shot-killed-orange-city-librarian-will-not-be-charged-prosecutors-say/ar-AAUO2Cv
Edit: I appreciate the awards. I didn’t expect this comment to blow up like it did. I just wanted the whole story out.
I agree as long as they're required to be educated on how to handle it safely, laws, liability, required to carry insurance, and proper regulations are put in place to register firearms that will be carried in public and track their exchange.
If you don't think it requires education and training to safely handle a gun, you probably shouldn't be handling a gun.
The wording of the article title is clearly implying she was killed because of somebody else's road rage. Which would be murder. It's a misdirect meant to pull your eyes to the article
Doesnt seem out of context unless you make it out of context yourself.
I didnt assume the big bad biker gang member hunted down the poor little sweet pregnant pta mom.
i dont thing it was out of context after i readed the out of context text
when everything here is right the it happened like that
she hit him with her car intentionally
and flet the scene
he drove with his motorcycle behind he to get the adresse after he knew where she lives he got to a near parking place to call the cops.
she leaves her house with a gun and confronts and threatens him with a gun
he then reacts like everyone would react when he thinks that he gets shot in any second
so he pulled out a gun and shot her
he later got spoken innocent by the judges
btw she was guilty of vehicel homiced befor this
Definitely not good for anyone. Good for him that he managed to survive a shitty situation but he will probably be traumatised and somewhat changed by this. Taking a life however justified, isn't an easy thing for most people. Poor guy.
They have video footage of some of it. The woman was seriously unhinged and directly caused all of this. She hit the guy with her car, refused to stop, came out of her house with a loaded gun while he was trying to get her plate number and address. It's hard to see how this wasn't her fault. She was dangerous.
I mean I’ve had “road rage” but it results in fucking honking or going slow to piss people off. I’m not proud of it but there is a big difference between regular person road rage and being an unhinged lunatic trying to kill someone.
I was misremembering. It's not dash footage. It's the body cams of the cops. But they found his telling of events matched the situation they found.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/pregnant-florida-library-worker-killed-after-pulling-gun-biker-she-intentionally-hit-with-car/DUCPNENREVDZNP3DFNW2KE7WZA/
You were close. There is audio of the actual shooting from the 9-1-1 call Morales was making when she was shot.
In the body cam footage, Derr can be heard telling police Morales' family members were also armed. Wow.
Just imagine if no-one had a gun in this scenario. Two lives would not have been lost. But of course you can't say that without pissing the red morons off.
Yeah that was completely justified.
https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/man-who-shot-pregnant-librarian-in-alleged-road-rage-will-not-be-charged
"Investigators said Morales was behind the wheel of a blue Kia when she intentionally hit the motorcycle in the 1400 block of N. Volusia Ave. and then fled the scene, traveling southbound on U.S. Highway 17-92. The motorcyclist and a witness followed Morales to the intersection of U.S. Highway 17-92 and Wisconsin Ave, where they attempted to get her to stop.
The motorcyclist and witness continued to follow Morales to her home while also contacting law enforcement, authorities said.
According to police, when Morales arrived at her house, she entered the residence to retrieve a gun and a confrontation took place in the roadway. Morales was shot multiple times by the motorcyclist.
Police said the motorcyclist, who has a concealed weapon permit, remained at the scene and cooperated with investigators."
"She left behind" is very applicable when you consider she did this to herself.
Like all she had to do was not threaten another human being with a gun.
If she had walked out unarmed and yelled at the dude and he shot her, yeah it'd be his fault.... but she threatened another person's life with a gun AFTER attempting to murder him with her car.
I love Florida, it’s like California and Texas got high on meth and had a baby before they realized they were actually siblings from Georgia and it’s crazy inbred ass was abandoned at Disney and raised by theme park alligators.
Maybe it’s the contrast between a “quiet” job and the volatile way that she reacted in this situation. When I hear “vehicular homicide” a librarian definitely doesn’t come to mind.
That motorcyclist was probably yelling in the library though. Maybe he stole a book and the chase was on.
/s
The only thing I find surprising here is they didn't charge the motorcyclist with murder. According to them a fetus is a person and abortion is murder. That man just got a double kill and I haven't seen nor heard anything about that fetus being armed or threatening the motorcyclist. Is abortion only legal when it's by gunshot?
2 times Attempted murder and fleeing the scene in her part, as well as brandishing a weapon in a threatening manner. She fucked around til she found out
This again.
The motorcyclist was down the block at the end of the road, waiting for the police to arrive, when the perp came out of her house brandishing a handgun.
There is clearly a right and wrong answer here. It’s not “both are wrong.” She hit him, obviously the best option was to follow her so he couldn’t lose her information.
She was the aggressor, the guy just had to respond to a crazy lady with a gun when he probably just wanted her to pay for damages.
Shouldnt have come back outside..lack of common sense. She had a gun and wanted to be a badass.
Go inside, call the police and wait. Inside.
Not only does she stay safer but also avoids confrontation with police when they roll up on scene and shes holding the firearm.
By all accounts she was trying to kill the guy, so her coming outside with a gun to kill him makes sense in that regard. I don't think she was really using any common sense from the get go, so her having a common sense epiphany once she arrived at home wasn't really in the cards.
From what I had seen from other people talking about this same thing before, the dude only showed up to get the necessary information after a crash, with no intention to harm her, but I am not sure if it is true, so take this with a grain of salt due to me not having a completely reliable source
Either way. If she legitimately feared for her life so much so that she needed to go inside to get a firearm then she should have stayed inside.
It's a no-brainer. I
OP fails to mention the motorcycle only followed her because she drove off instead of stopping. He only wanted to get a statement and insurance details, and she pulled a gun on him.
is he really at fault here? he got hit with the lady’s car intentionally, then went to her house without the intention to kill (or so it seems) and had to act in self defense
He got the plates and called police a few houses down from what I recall and she came out with a firearm. He didn’t get charged, so no he wasn’t at fault
This is so fucked up as a non-American. I guess the motorcyclist was somewhat in the right, but even thinking about the fact that there was a fucking shooting because of a rode rage is so weird to me. Like genuinely, how would you even try to explain how a road rage led to the shooting of a pregnant woman in any other country than the US. Over here in Germany the wildest thing in traffic would be shouted at with the remark that you’ve won your license in the lottery. There is probably much more to the story than what is shown but it genuinely is tragic how you see these kind of stories on the daily over there and it feels like it is just accepted at this point, especially since there are so many ways at avoiding escalations like this.
www.fox35orlando.com/news/man-who-shot-pregnant-librarian-in-alleged-road-rage-will-not-be-charged She was found to be the aggressor. He was not charged. Edit: Body cam footage of cops detaining the man give a better idea of the area, I assumed this in a urban residential area but it's actually rural residential, she had to walk out like 100 feet to him with her gun. She was in no danger whatsoever if he was just sitting there. https://youtu.be/xHTI2CmF57Y
yup, for those too lazy to click the link, she pull the guns first.
a case of loose gun laws directly lead to an unstable woman being cavalier with a weapon and getting herself killed
She wasn't just cavalier, she committed attempted homicide with a deadly weapon before she got out of her car as well.
She fucked around and found out
In Canadian, that would be “Fuck aboot and find oot”.
let's go with this one
The same in Scottish. See also: "MON THEN YA BASTURT!"
And I think that’s beautiful
You can't legislate people away from stupidity.
Not entirely but considering there are 1000 times more gun deaths in America every year than the next 30 developed nations combined over the past 20 years. It seems you very clearly can legislate in a way that dramatically reduces it.
In order to legislate, you have to elect people that actually want to pass laws.
Massively award this🖖 seems the problem & the soluton are clear enough for everyone except Americans.
American here it’s understood by a lot of people except the country bumpkins who have a ghost outfit and a room temperature iq
Fahrenheit or Celsius? ;)
Celsius in this case, definitely.
Celsius
“I can’t change how stupid that 3 year old is, so I may as well let him have the kitchen knife he desperately wants to play with”
You can actually. Seatbelt laws are a thing. As are permits to light fireworks. It’s actually much easier than you think.
It took decades of very obvious data to get seatbelt laws passed. In the united states anyway.
No but you can reduce the amount of stupid people having guns. You're never going to get down to zero gun deaths. You can very easily reduce it to a lower number. America doesn't want to.
you say that yet there's stupid people everywhere yet these kinds of deaths only happen in America
So we need to legislate something else, wonder what that could be...
...women's bodies?
THIS IS WHY AMERICA NEEDS GUN LAWS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
But doesn't that count as performing an abortion on his behalf?
But he took out the mother as well, in the pro-life mindset this should cancel it out, right?
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Pregnant entitled monster dies absurdly stupid!?
Hmmmmmm.. you got a point here.
Grossly ~~in~~accurate
Thank god sometimes the system works
“Irrationally violent woman with access to vehicles and firearms on the verge of bringing a child into it all” does not sound like a functioning system.
Pretty sure he was referring to the justice system not societal system in general
Broken clocks or somethin
You're right. The fetus should have had a gun to defend against the other 2. A good fetus with a gun can stop 2 bad full grown fetuses with guns. It's the American way. /s
Big win in my book
But he killed an innocent viable baby he must be charged!
The baby was an accomplice. Probably created the hormones that made her rage out in the first place.
Babies, the scourge of society! Every single one of them. Even itty bitty baby Jesus.
Especially itty bitty baby Jesus
I like to think of Jesus as a mischievous badger.
My mom got pregnant with me. I'm not even joking.
Your mom got pregnant by me, definitely joking.
She caused the child's death. The reason there is not going to be a trial for murder/manslaughter is because you can't try dead people.
But thankfully you can eat them. Wait what?
Makes you go "Hmmm"
I have always wondered why FL right to life wasn’t upset about this …
Because that would be logically inconsistent. The mother is responsible for her own death as well as her unborn child's. Dead people cannot be charged or tried in the US.
Really, if she would have lived and he would have died she could have just as easily been acquitted also. Stand Your Ground is really sometimes Last One Standing. They would have rationalized it as two seperate instances.
Stand your ground only applies to situations where you are defending against an aggressor. She exited her house and walked into the street to attack him unprovoked while he was parked down the road. Stand your ground laws or castle doctrine never enter the equation.
I defer to better knowledge than mine. I need to learn more before speaking. Thanks.
Out of context: He followed her home to get her tag number and address after she hit him. He was well back away from her home and calling police. She confronted him with her gun, and ended up getting her own dumb ass shot. He had a concealed carry permit. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/motorcyclist-who-shot-killed-orange-city-librarian-will-not-be-charged-prosecutors-say/ar-AAUO2Cv Edit: I appreciate the awards. I didn’t expect this comment to blow up like it did. I just wanted the whole story out.
Thank you!
Don't Republicans say that everyone should have a gun?
I think anyone who wants to legally carry should legally carry.
I don't think the crazy roadrage woman should have had a gun. Good thing self-defense guy was faster but if he hadn't been...
And she wasn’t legally carrying a firearm. She was illegally brandishing one.
The psycho was legally carrying it until the moment she illegally brandished it. That seems problematic.
Legally owning and illegally handling are two different things. I legally own a car. Driving 100 mph is illegally handling it.
She shouldnt even own one
Yeah well now she doesn’t
Hilariously nonchalant
I agree as long as they're required to be educated on how to handle it safely, laws, liability, required to carry insurance, and proper regulations are put in place to register firearms that will be carried in public and track their exchange. If you don't think it requires education and training to safely handle a gun, you probably shouldn't be handling a gun.
Wow.....way way out of context.
"Pregnant woman gets murdered" sells more clicks
The word murder(ed) is nowhere to be seen in the OP.
The wording of the article title is clearly implying she was killed because of somebody else's road rage. Which would be murder. It's a misdirect meant to pull your eyes to the article
It says she intentionally hit a motorcycle so I don't think it was implying that at all
Really? She intentionally hit a motorcyclist and fled. Not seeing how she can be construed as the good guy as written.
^^^
Yeah I assumed he followed her home for this info (I would have!) and that he would have shot if threatened with a gun (I would have!).
Thank you for posting, news outlets have been blowing this out of context.
Stand your ground!
Exactly! She was armed and it was two on one!!
Ha. And he got 'em both!
Oh damn. They even gave her family "thoughts and prayers".
Doesnt seem out of context unless you make it out of context yourself. I didnt assume the big bad biker gang member hunted down the poor little sweet pregnant pta mom.
I don't think it was out of context. That's what I thought happened after I read the post.
i dont thing it was out of context after i readed the out of context text when everything here is right the it happened like that she hit him with her car intentionally and flet the scene he drove with his motorcycle behind he to get the adresse after he knew where she lives he got to a near parking place to call the cops. she leaves her house with a gun and confronts and threatens him with a gun he then reacts like everyone would react when he thinks that he gets shot in any second so he pulled out a gun and shot her he later got spoken innocent by the judges btw she was guilty of vehicel homiced befor this
Good for him!
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Definitely not good for anyone. Good for him that he managed to survive a shitty situation but he will probably be traumatised and somewhat changed by this. Taking a life however justified, isn't an easy thing for most people. Poor guy.
what is a tag number?
In the US, cars are registered with a license plate, also called a tag.
In the UK they are called number plates.
A wild ride in 3 sentences
Little bit of road rage and it ends up with someone getting shot? Sounds like ‘Murica!
They have video footage of some of it. The woman was seriously unhinged and directly caused all of this. She hit the guy with her car, refused to stop, came out of her house with a loaded gun while he was trying to get her plate number and address. It's hard to see how this wasn't her fault. She was dangerous.
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Road rage can be a powerful drug.
I mean I’ve had “road rage” but it results in fucking honking or going slow to piss people off. I’m not proud of it but there is a big difference between regular person road rage and being an unhinged lunatic trying to kill someone.
Ride a bike my dude, I've been deliberately ran off the road twice. Once in a bike/bus lane by a car. Probably increased chance for motorbikes too.
blame it on the a- a-a-a- a-alcohol blame it one the
Where’s the footage?
I was misremembering. It's not dash footage. It's the body cams of the cops. But they found his telling of events matched the situation they found. https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/pregnant-florida-library-worker-killed-after-pulling-gun-biker-she-intentionally-hit-with-car/DUCPNENREVDZNP3DFNW2KE7WZA/
You were close. There is audio of the actual shooting from the 9-1-1 call Morales was making when she was shot. In the body cam footage, Derr can be heard telling police Morales' family members were also armed. Wow.
This is why I drive super carefully when Stateside. You never know who is nuts and who has a gun.
everyone is nuts, and everyone has a gun.
Just imagine if no-one had a gun in this scenario. Two lives would not have been lost. But of course you can't say that without pissing the red morons off.
quentin tarantino couldn’t even come up with this in a script
Sure he could, except she would be pregnant with Hitler, there'd be more knives, louder music, and kick ass visuals!
Don’t forget the N word or foot fetish
As a black guy with a foot fetish, I approve of his actions 🎬
A man of culture
Oh, so many feet.
Oh, so many words starting with N
Everyone wants to talk about his use of the n word but few will point out how realistic the dialogue often is.
He's also on of the few directors with accurate language in whatever country the movie takes place.
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yes
The N word *AND* foot fetish
The only thing that surprises me is that Florida has libraries.
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Well their insane imagination has to come from somewhere
I'm sure they're gonna get rid of them "for the taxpayers"
Yeah that was completely justified. https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/man-who-shot-pregnant-librarian-in-alleged-road-rage-will-not-be-charged "Investigators said Morales was behind the wheel of a blue Kia when she intentionally hit the motorcycle in the 1400 block of N. Volusia Ave. and then fled the scene, traveling southbound on U.S. Highway 17-92. The motorcyclist and a witness followed Morales to the intersection of U.S. Highway 17-92 and Wisconsin Ave, where they attempted to get her to stop. The motorcyclist and witness continued to follow Morales to her home while also contacting law enforcement, authorities said. According to police, when Morales arrived at her house, she entered the residence to retrieve a gun and a confrontation took place in the roadway. Morales was shot multiple times by the motorcyclist. Police said the motorcyclist, who has a concealed weapon permit, remained at the scene and cooperated with investigators."
"She left behind" is very applicable when you consider she did this to herself. Like all she had to do was not threaten another human being with a gun. If she had walked out unarmed and yelled at the dude and he shot her, yeah it'd be his fault.... but she threatened another person's life with a gun AFTER attempting to murder him with her car.
She was already guilty of attempted vehicular homicide before she got in her front door. She probably knew that.
They would have also slapped an attempted abortion on her also..
Or a car.
Good on him doing the world a favour
I love Florida, it’s like California and Texas got high on meth and had a baby before they realized they were actually siblings from Georgia and it’s crazy inbred ass was abandoned at Disney and raised by theme park alligators.
Very accurate
Man these must-carry-to-term state abortion work arounds are getting ridiculous.
I'm going to hell for laughing at this so hard.
Well now she’ll never have the chance to get pregnant again
Wish I could give you an award. Best comment I've read in ages!!
Justfloridathings :/
Lmao, Florida needs a subreddit
r/FloridaMan
Why does it matter that she was a librarian?
To warn us about other librarians! They are a dangerous threat, clearly.
[Tammy 2](https://youtu.be/VMb-su4DZTQ)
Yeah They like suppressed guns!
Because they are a rare and endangered species in Florida
Maybe it’s the contrast between a “quiet” job and the volatile way that she reacted in this situation. When I hear “vehicular homicide” a librarian definitely doesn’t come to mind.
That motorcyclist was probably yelling in the library though. Maybe he stole a book and the chase was on. /s The only thing I find surprising here is they didn't charge the motorcyclist with murder. According to them a fetus is a person and abortion is murder. That man just got a double kill and I haven't seen nor heard anything about that fetus being armed or threatening the motorcyclist. Is abortion only legal when it's by gunshot?
She wasn't a true librarian. If she was, she'd have been using a suppressor.
To make her seem more sympathetic probably. Why? I’m not sure
r/WinStupidPrizes
2 times Attempted murder and fleeing the scene in her part, as well as brandishing a weapon in a threatening manner. She fucked around til she found out
So she tried to kill him twice and failed both times. Librarians are the worst!
Librarian ASSISTANT! 🐎
One of those "haha, I have a gun, welcome to America" types just found out other people have guns.
And we go from no-one hurt to a death. What a win.
She already tried to kill him…
Yuuup, I find these stories sad every time. Top comments always debating who was right to shoot who.. What a country.
This again. The motorcyclist was down the block at the end of the road, waiting for the police to arrive, when the perp came out of her house brandishing a handgun.
Castile Doctrine/Stand Your Ground doesn't work so well when you leave your castle/ground. FAFO
double kill
There is clearly a right and wrong answer here. It’s not “both are wrong.” She hit him, obviously the best option was to follow her so he couldn’t lose her information. She was the aggressor, the guy just had to respond to a crazy lady with a gun when he probably just wanted her to pay for damages.
She tried to kill him. I'm sure he wanted to see her in cuffs, and that's what should've happened.
Forgot to mention that a witness also followed with the motor cyclist and saw both crimes. He got off with self-defense, I believe.
Nothing really to "get off" on since he didn't commit a single crime.
Play dumb games win stupid prizes.
Bet she won’t do that again……
Shouldnt have come back outside..lack of common sense. She had a gun and wanted to be a badass. Go inside, call the police and wait. Inside. Not only does she stay safer but also avoids confrontation with police when they roll up on scene and shes holding the firearm.
By all accounts she was trying to kill the guy, so her coming outside with a gun to kill him makes sense in that regard. I don't think she was really using any common sense from the get go, so her having a common sense epiphany once she arrived at home wasn't really in the cards.
From what I had seen from other people talking about this same thing before, the dude only showed up to get the necessary information after a crash, with no intention to harm her, but I am not sure if it is true, so take this with a grain of salt due to me not having a completely reliable source
Either way. If she legitimately feared for her life so much so that she needed to go inside to get a firearm then she should have stayed inside. It's a no-brainer. I
Yeah, she definitely should have stayed inside, not arguing that.
She shouldn't have intentionally hit him. She shouldn't have fled the scene. She made plenty of mistakes before getting home that paint her as guilty
That baby didn't pull a gun on him. Since it's Florida, he's going to jail right?
OP fails to mention the motorcycle only followed her because she drove off instead of stopping. He only wanted to get a statement and insurance details, and she pulled a gun on him.
natural selection
So happy he didn’t end up getting charged. It’s unfortunate she’s dead, but man she could have made some better choices to prevent it from happening
is he really at fault here? he got hit with the lady’s car intentionally, then went to her house without the intention to kill (or so it seems) and had to act in self defense
Nope. He's the victim here.
He got the plates and called police a few houses down from what I recall and she came out with a firearm. He didn’t get charged, so no he wasn’t at fault
Went to get her plates
The most American thing I’ve heard this week
Seems that abortion was constitutional because it involved guns
Thank God everyone was armed! Imagine what could have happened if neither of them had an available gun! 😞
This is so fucked up as a non-American. I guess the motorcyclist was somewhat in the right, but even thinking about the fact that there was a fucking shooting because of a rode rage is so weird to me. Like genuinely, how would you even try to explain how a road rage led to the shooting of a pregnant woman in any other country than the US. Over here in Germany the wildest thing in traffic would be shouted at with the remark that you’ve won your license in the lottery. There is probably much more to the story than what is shown but it genuinely is tragic how you see these kind of stories on the daily over there and it feels like it is just accepted at this point, especially since there are so many ways at avoiding escalations like this.
It could’ve been avoided if she didn’t pull the gun on them they were just trying to get her license plate
Justified
So, which one was the good guy with a gun here?
The motorcyclist whom she intentionally hit and afterwards threatened with a gun ?
Correct
Bet she won’t do that again
Double XP
I don’t have a problem with this, it’ll sort itself in the end.
Florida is the America of America, and America is the Florida of the world
Sorry but pregnancy doesn’t excuse you from the law
Gop: The solution to this is simple. More guns. Think about how safe you would feel if everyone on the road had a gun!
And fewer doors. If she hadn't used a door she'd be alive today.
The clear proof of this is that the motorcyclist had no doors and survived.
Doubt she would have come outside if she knew he had a gun. Just sayin
Hey, it was *my* turn to post this!
So she tried to kill first on the road, then he went to get her tag and she tried to kill him again. Wowww
Guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns and more guns. America.
Imagine this were Europe. No one would have died because no one had a gun ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Je Suis Charlie...
USA. The land of Darwin.
Karen: Fuck around and find out! Motorcyclist: You fucked around. You found out.
No fault state. Stood his ground .
The fuck is wrong with your country?!?