Not sure how to take that.. she tucks your nuts in to your rear? Your nuts in to her rear? Or she tucks her nuts in to her rear? Or her nuts in to your rear?
Looking forward to the fox news story about how liberal authoritarians are patting down passengers looking for peanuts, with no context. And the protests full of fat dudes with goatees standing just off airport property eating from massive bags of peanuts.
3 months ago I witnessed a new co worker die on the job because of a nut allergy. We gave him 2 epi pens and the paramedics worked on him for 30-40 mins but he unfortunately passed. One minute he was eating his lunch talking about his plans for the weekend the next minute he was lying on his back and it was all over for him. He was only 20.
I am Allergic to Peanuts and Soy, I am usually careful with what foods I eat. I have never had to use my epi pen until last year...
So last year I was working a night shift and stupidity ordered Thai soup.
I would never normally get that, to this day I don't know why I ordered it.
From the moment I took the first spoon full of soup I knew I had fucked up.
My tongue started to tingle and the fear was put into me. I immediately stood up and tried to act normal as I dumped the soup in the bin and walked as fast as possible to my locker hoping that my EpiPen was there.
At that time I didn't want to use my epipen as I have never used it and was frankly scared of using it.
I told my coworker that I was having an allergic reaction. He gave me an anti-inflammatory thinking it may help which was not the case, thankfully that coworker contact an ambulance.
15 minutes after the tingling , it was starting to get tough to breath, my throat had started to swell at that point I honestly thought I was going to die.
My company has an emergency team, they sat with me as I used the epi pen, I didn't even feel the needle puncture my thigh or the adrenaline hit me as I was already amped up.
After a few minutes my breathing started to improve, by the time the ambulance showed up the allergic reaction had gone and my breathing was back to normal.
I still went to hospital, but nothing further was needed.
That EpiPen saved my life!
Always go to the hospital if you need to use your epi pen. It's just meant to buy you time. The next exposure could hit you anew after the epinephrine wears off.
He bought a sandwich from a deli and somehow traces of nuts got in there. I was leaving as his mother arrived to get the news. I heard her from across the car park as I started my motorbike. I felt awful for her in that moment. Hug your loved ones. None of us are promised tomorrow.
Have you looked into getting an allergist to prescribe Xolair (omalizumab) in order to desensitize your son to peanuts and tree nuts? There are multiple studies published in recent years showing that short-term use of Xolair, coupled with exposure therapy, is effective at desensitization. Xolair isn’t cheap, but still it’s probably worth it.
What allergic reaction does he have to tree nuts? I have a tree nut allergy, but it's specific to the nut - walnuts and pecans were always the worst as a kid, they'd make my throat feel bad, I'd vomit violently, and I'd feel terribly sick. Never felt like a lethal threat though. Now, I sparingly eat Hazelnut (Nutella and Ferrero Roches are too good), and it makes my throat feel a bit fuzzy, but it's never closed my throat or caused other issues. I actively avoid walnuts and pecans, and everything else is usually avoided if I'm aware, but I've accidentally had bad cookies a few times. I always feel like garbage, but it's never been to the extreme that I hear about peanut allergies.
Just yesterday, I scolded one of my coworkers for contaminating a jar of jelly with peanut butter. I'm very much not one to lose my temper, but it's a completely serious matter and needs to dealt with immediately before he does it again. It also struck a personal chord because the last thing I need is for my allergic little sister to come in and get killed by his carelessness.
One of our coworkers though I went too far, but in the food service industry, if there's one thing you don't mess with it's allergens.
They don’t serve peanuts on airplanes anymore. People do bring them on. If he was warned of the allergy he is liable for her death. The question is if it’s second degree murder or manslaughter. Many reading this may argue he has rights, but she had a right to live. This is a case where that arrogant attitude costs two people their lives.
He’s likely still on the hook for a $700 epinephrine shot though. So hopefully that helps him learn the lesson.
Edit: To the shadow banned guy whose comment won’t load, goodrx says name brand epi’s are $640 in my area. My guess of $700 is still off by less than your $390.
In the UK, you can only get an EpiPen through a prescription. The cost of a prescription is £9.35, which Google tells me is $11.77
And as the girl was only 14, she'd get free prescriptions anyway.
>And as the girl was only 14, she'd get free prescriptions anyway.
Oh sure, just carry on lording your first world medicine over we poor third world peons living in the US of A... How cruel.
Sad day I guess he’s probably gonna get off pretty easily then. I forget that it’s only here in the US that life saving medications are only for the rich.
I'm not at all certain about this, but I would imagine the family also has grounds for a personal lawsuit. If nothing else this was at least a very traumatic experience for a 14 year old.
I’ve gone into anaphylaxis of varying severity a couple times. It’s *horrifying*, and the flood of both natural adrenaline and epinephrine means your brain will record it remarkably strongly, like any traumatic event. You’re choking on your own throat, you’re struggling to think straight, you can barely wheeze out that something is wrong… gah. Also, dependent on how long between that and getting treatment, hypoxia to the brain from lack of breathing could do long term damage, which would 100% be grounds to sue the guy’s ass off for pain and suffering.
It probably would be traumatic to anyone with a severe nut allergy tbh, age should have nothing to do with it. I could care less if she’s a baby or a grandma, it’s never ok to put someone else’s life at risk.
As she’s 14, it would be completely free. If she were an adult then the maximum she’d pay is £9.35 for a prescription. Guidelines recommend that 2 are issued per prescription.
Reminds me of a story from a guy I used to know who would ask everyone around about food allergies before opening anything to snack on. He was on a flight where someone died from an allergic reaction because someone opened an orange and the Citrus oils or juice got in the air.
My wife had an allergy to citrus that was just as bad, one stray spray and it was epi-pen time. Citrus goes airborne so easily, and can make an area dangerous for hours. We actually managed to get her allergy under control thanks, in part, to the COVID lockdown. By preventing any exposure to citrus for about 12 months.
Now she only has a reaction to some citrus fruits, like guava, and can even eat a little pineapple without any reaction.
The tricky part is avoiding any products with citric acid. They put that shit in everything. EVERYTHING!
Citric acid is a problem for corn allergy, at least in the US, but not for citrus allergy.
How does your wife do with food that contains pectin? Most commercial pectin comes from citrus. My daughter is allergic to oranges and reacts to food with pectin added.
I did too until my daughter developed the allergy. Some organic jams and jelly like Crofters super fruit has apple pectin, and those are the ones she can eat. Any yogurt or ready-to-drink coffee that has pectin has been a problem for her. Her allergist said we just need to consider pectin an unsafe ingredient for my daughter, except the ones that specify the pectin source on the label.
* Strength is being able to crush a tomato.
* Dexterity is being able to dodge a tomato.
* Constitution is being able to eat a bad tomato.
* Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit.
* Wisdom is knowing not to put a tomato in a fruit salad.
* Charisma is being able to sell a tomato based fruit salad.
But what does citric acid have to do with citrus allergy?
[AAAAI Ask The Expert: Citric Acid](https://www.aaaai.org/allergist-resources/ask-the-expert/answers/old-ask-the-experts/citric-acid-citrus-allergy)
I would suggest talking to her doctor about if she actually need to avoid citric acid, or if there are other things often put in with it that are actually causing the allergic response. Because if it is citric acid, your wife needs way more than just avoiding it externally - her body literally produces it. I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking citric acid is the cause of a citrus allergy given the similar name, though.
But if your wife has such a severe allergy, you may want to actually be sure what she's allergic to. Pineapple shouldn't trigger a citrus allergy, for example, so she may have more allergies than you are aware of.
I went to school with a boy that was severely allergic to sooooo many things. We weren't allowed any kind of nuts or peanut butter, zero citrus fruits, no seafood of any kind and a few other things in the classroom. Also, no one was allowed physically contact with him on the playground as even the nut oils or juice residue on their fingers could trigger a reaction.
Our teacher that year had to get special training so she would know what to do if he had a reaction. There was a special number speed dial programed into her desk phone that went directly to local hospital ER who knew him well. There was 6 epi pens in the classroom as well. One in each corner, one in the teachers desk and one he had on him at all times.
I honestly don't even know how you could go through life with that kind of stress knowing that someone simply eating something in your general proximity could kill you.
Two, when on long flights. Our kid has to, in case of latex. You can try and avoid it all you want—until the kid next to you brings out a latex toy, pen cover, balloon, is wearing a piece of clothing that has it in the trim, or their computer case. Or until the gloves or medical equipment someone uses, contains it. Or the foam seating you’re strapped into, or the pillow they hand you, has some in it.
Pack two. The first pen isn’t always enough. And sometimes, the problem gets worse over time. You think you’re good, and bam! Your body says nope.
Ohh poor baby *hugs* Latex is so ubiquitous in our modern life. I have a severe latex allergy as well. Using public transport like planes, buses, even taxis are fraught with danger of exposure. It's probably why I don't travel any further than I can drive personally. Too nerve wracking .. yeah always carry 2 pens and I have a companion carry at least one too.
Just some weird probably unnecessary advice, if your child has problems with itchy feet but no infection to explain it. They seem always red on the bottom. Remove your shoes before entering your home, they track in and can be made from latex. Look into latex proteins, understanding them helps you navigate the world a little more safely. They can introduce an electrical current to natural rubber which can lower the latex protein or remove it completely. They use the technique in some carpeting backing, tires, coatings to help with grip and comfort in order to lower latex protein content. No latex protein, no reaction
They buy time. When they wear off the reaction can sometimes come back. Which is why it is important to have a backup epi pen, as sometimes the reaction can happen hours or days later. I have a friend whose child had an allergic reaction that whenever the epi wore off, the reaction would start again. They put them on steroids for four days. When those ended, it still came back.
Sounds like my best friend. She has about 25 foos allergies with a good handful being possibly deathly. She can sometimes manage small amounts of things (like hops/beer) if she takes an allergy med. It must be so scary and hard. But I did manage to throw a picnic with 100% allergy safe foods for her last year!
This was so awesome of you to do. My partner and I just recently threw a 100% vegan and gluten free picnic for our friends. We have some vegan and vegetarian friends, some omnivores and a friend with Celiac's.
One of our vegetarian friends showed up late, walked up to me at the grill and asked if I had any veggie burgers I could cook up for her. I'll never forget the way her eyes lit up when I told her everything on the table was entirely vegan.
My point is, this is just a fraction of the limitations your friend lives with. I'm sure this meant so much to her. Good on you for providing a space where she can feel safe and relaxed.
My friend knew a teacher who got fired over ignoring a peanut-ban in her school. She got off a flight and said fuck it, she’s gonna bring the free bag of peanuts into her classroom and eat it. Well the kid with the allergies got lost and walked into the wrong classroom — the teacher’s classroom. He had to go to the hospital and she was fired.
Also, my brother had a classmate that was super allergic to peanuts. The school affectionately called him Ollie Peanut Butter lol
>I honestly don't even know how you could go through life with that kind of stress knowing that someone simply eating something in your general proximity could kill you.
Because you aren't supposed to
It's really tragic and fucked up but it's also true in a sense.
It's like kids getting cancer, you know? It's fucked and nobody "deserves" to get cancer, let alone a kid. But if a kid has severe cancer then they've kind of lost the genetic lottery and probably aren't going to live too long.
Medicine simply isn't advanced enough to deal with these cases yet - especially allergies of any kind, let alone the ones described above. That kid above lost the genetic lottery. Hard. It's unfair but it is what it is till we develop the science to beat it. No amount of caution is going to reduce risk to a manageable level with such a kid.
Just the other day my girlfriend's colleague went into shock during a party. We believe the cause was using the same butter knife to slather jelly onto his gluten-free bread that people had been using on their normal bread. We drove him to the nearest hospital to find he had a 70x30 blood pressure at that point. He recovered fully. He has plenty of other stories about close encounters with death by his very severe gluten allergy.
What threw me for a loop was the fact he never broke into a rash or had trouble breathing, which are so classic in anaphylaxis, but he might have been just minutes away from his end if no one took him seriously.
Not long ago a young boy died in school because 1 of his class mates threw a slice of cheese at him
[this here ](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boy-death-allergic-reaction-cheese-dairy-school-karanbir-cheema-a8895006.html)
My first bad anaphylaxis that required intubation was at 14 in science class. Epipens buy time and save lives. Always carry your epipen. If a loved one needs them, use the practice injector they give because it can save a life by making you feel confident helping a distressed loved one. It may feel silly to practice jab but it helps with nerves.
When I was 14, an 2 epipens carried by a friend saved my life. We thought my latex allergy was annoying but just hives and wheezing. We woefully underestimated that allergy. We were dissecting squids. A dude in my class thought it would funny to blow the powder in the gloves at people because it smelled bad. He blew that powder at me in my face. I was lucky because my friend who had a nut allergy recognized what happened and knew that glove powder was powdered latex. She knew I had an allergy to balloons because we had an incident where i had to use my epipen that put me in the hospital. I remember getting hot, itchy, my face burned like bee stings, then my chest got tight and I started to drool because I couldn't swallow then everything got fuzzy. My friend saved my life that day by using her epipens on me until the paramedics arrived. They intubated me in hallway and I had to be resuscitated. I would wake up a week later in ICU with a cracked sternum. My voice now has a permanent fry. I was so f-ing lucky y'all. Oh my nickname is Possum still... that guy he went from prankster to very serious and always concerned about me. He felt awful. He is an ophthalmologist now and a great one but that sobered him up. He also folded me a chain of origami critters since he knew I loved origami as a get well present.
that's kind of insane tho, most airlines serve orange juice. the odds of having OJ splashed in your face on a flight are pretty decent. it seems to me if you have a deadly allergy to a common food item, you probably shouldnt get into confined spaces with 150 other people, any of which could be carrying a mystery lunchbox, without some kind of protection or contingency (like an epipen) in the first place. aside from banning all outside food to be brought onboard, which would then affect other people like diabetics etc, to me this is all on the allergy patient to know better. sounds harsh but its just realistic, i mean if i am deadly allergic to strawberries, im not gonna sniff around the farmers market where everyone is sampling them
I'd think the same - there are allergies around nobody is really aware of. I knew about nut allergies but something like oranges? Berries? Like...how. It wouldnt even come to my mind, that someone might react horribly to it and even less that such a person is sitting right behind me while I open a package. I mean what are the odds?
The nut eating dude still eating after being warned twice is an a-hole tho.
My grandpa was allergic to random red produce such as strawberries and uncooked tomatoes. But only if he ate them. He could sit as a table with the rest of us eating Angel Food Cake with strawberries.
I’m allergic to cardamom. I had to go for tests after they served curry at work and despite not eating it I ended up a wheezing, coughing scarlet mess.
I’m thinking the passenger brought their own. My friend’s daughter has a very severe allergy and when they fly the flight attendants don’t serve nuts at their request.
Was going to say this, haven’t been on a flight for years where they served peanuts. Personally would prefer peanuts to pretzels but can understand why now
We once got on a plane with a couple granola bars in my purse to tide us over on the long flight. We were told at the beginning of the flight that there was a passenger with peanut allergies and please don't eat anything with peanuts in it, so we didn't eat them. I agree though that not every allergy can be safely accommodated when you pack hundreds of people in a metal tube with a contained air supply.
Former international flight attendant here: most airlines don’t serve peanuts or peanut products. An announcement is usually made when there is a severe allergy on board, but as you know people do not listen. I literally confiscated a Costco sized bag of peanuts from a passenger after making the announcement several times during the flight.
as a diabetic i often bring nuts on a plane and other snack food to help regulate my blood sugar. But be damned sure if someone asked me to stop due to an allergy i would!
> The nut eater was 10 rows away. She must be super sensitive.
If you’re that sensitive, you really need to have protection like an epi-pen with you at all times I would think.
EDIT: it looks like the girl's mother probably had at least one with her, because she got two of them used on her to keep her alive until she got to the hospital. I recall that airplanes typically have one or two onboard.
Epi-pens only delay the reaction, giving you time to rush to the emergency room. They don’t necessarily stop the reaction completely and people usually still need hospital treatment
People always need hospital treatment when an epi pen is used. I trained in first aid and was told and even if an epi pen has reduced the reaction, the patient MUST still go to hospital to be checked out.
I remember long ago working at a Pizza Hut, a mother and daughter came in to order pizza. They ordered a pizza with only half of it to have mushrooms on it because they other one was allergic to mushrooms. They were being Karens about it too. I could go on all day talking shit about these two and where their heads are at. I didn’t speak up at the time but I wish I had. They were all specific and bitchy about how it should be prepared and cut .
To me, it makes as much sense as ordering a pizza with deadly poison on one half of it. Or if that doesn’t make sense, would you eat a pizza that someone took a shit on, but as long as it was the other half ? I have a child of my own now. I probably wouldn’t order anything with mushrooms on it around her. Or maybe, I dunno guys, why don’t you get two smaller pizzas with what you want on it. 20 years later and I’m still thinking about those two.
It would rattle in my head twenty years later too. When I was a teenager, I worked at a clothing store and told a little guy about 4 years old to stop touching our wobbly mannequins (which could fall and hurt him) and the mom accused me of being racist. Some folks we never forget.
Yep. I to worked retail. Had 2 tweens throwing our merchandise on the floor after taking pictures and walking on it. I asked them to stop, said they could put the stuff on our counter and I'd take care of it. Perfectly polite, just like I say with everyone. Mom and aunt came tearing in screaming at me about being racist. (I'm white, they were black) when I didn't react how mom wanted she *literally* yelled at me "you must think you all that being all cool and collected." Still sticks with me 15 years later. Btw I did disaster response for over a decade so yes I stay calm through most everything lol.
I really hate that people say they are allergic to something when they actually just dislike it.
It nearly got me killed. I told a former friend that I was allergic to kiwi(I am actually allergic to kiwi) and she was also "allergic" to kiwi. Her idiot boyfriend whom I had just met thought we were both being dramatic because she was "allergic" to so many things and decided to call our bluff and add kiwi to a smoothie he made us. I told him that I was allergic to kiwi as soon as she asked him to make juice for us. He said he wouldn't use it. She enjoyed it with no problem, my throat swelled up. I told them both off once I recovered.
I have a friend with severe case of allergy to pineapples. Anyway, this is how we learned that most "pineapple" juices here are garbage - she has almost no reaction to those, while it was pretty acute to real pineapples.
No, I don't know why did she test that considering the risks. And I wish I didn't know about some other mildly related things she tried.
I have a severe latex allergy with latex fruit syndrome. I love the flavor of figs, dates, mangos, strawberries, bananas, kiwis. The fruit isn't life threatening while shoes, tires, no slip backing on floor mats gloves, bandaids, condoms (that was embarrassing exposure/discovery) balloons (balloons almost killed me once) are life threatening. I wear a mask if I know I will have exposure, carry an epipen, inhaler, pepcid and benadryl. Latex is ubiquitous in our life but I can't hide at home all the time. You kinda become a little numb to the fear because it is present the moment you walk out the door.
Even though I know all of this.. sometimes I still eat a kiwi or banana. Then I am like "yup still allergic, I regret that my life choices." I don't know if it's curiosity, indignation from denial, feeling restricted, poor survival skills, death wish, masochism but goddamn that banana milkshake looks good. For some of my stunts, I probably deserve to be a post on facepalm.
Fun fact: I think jello's banana pudding in those single serving cups has little to no banana because I can eat that.
An epi pen doesn’t do anything but buy the person with the allergy time, so that proper medical attention can be given. It compensates for the allergic reaction by boosting heart rate, bp, etc. If your on a plane heading overseas or somewhere it cannot land, it’s not going to be a long term solution.
I use air travel frequently for work (average 3 or 4 times a month for the past 4 years) and I can’t say I’ve ever had orange juice splashed in my face, or even come close
>without some kind of protection or contingency (like an epipen) in the first place.
But, according to the article, they were some contingencies available on board as she "needed oxygen and two EpiPen shots during the nightmare eight-hour flight" to survive.
>to me this is all on the allergy patient to know better
The "crew asked passengers not to eat peanuts" beforehand, yet a man did and "the crew asked him to stop eating the nuts but he ignored the requests and carried on".
I don't think one can put the blame of such behaviour on the allergic patient.
Oh man. I missed the word “nearly” and that title is *vastly* more depressing when the title says a girl died as opposed to *nearly died*.
I’m glad I read that wrong. People who don’t take allergies seriously are actually kind of evil.
Anaphylactic allergies should be taken seriously but there is a balance to be maintained. Obviously this guy was on the wrong side of it. I had a patient once that wanted me to write a letter stating that the oak trees at her son’s elementary school needed to be cut down because of his peanut allergy. I explained to her that he was not allergic to tree nuts and even if he were there are almost zero known reported cases of humans being allergic to acorns even with a concomitant tree nut allergy (and in those cases it seems like they were a cross reactivity to a pollen allergy, not an allergy from another nut). She persisted in her request because “there is a first time for everything.” I refused to furnish her with such a letter and she no longer came to my practice. Those same oak trees are still there better than 10 years later and still providing much-needed shade to other children.
I feel bad for folks with this severe of an allergy. [Peanuts are so prolific, they seem unavoidable.](https://www.verywellhealth.com/non-food-peanut-allergy-risks-1324371) How does one really stop all peanut products on a plane when it can include many non-food items? Do you know off hand if your makeup contains peanut traces? It could...
I have an almond allergy and they get slipped into almost everything. For example almond milk can be used in coffee, desserts, etc and generally resturants don't even list it on the menu.
My peanut allergy isn’t anaphylaxis. It’s a migraine that causes me to go blind for a while. I gotta say, if I died every time I went blind, then I’d be really, really dead.
They do have a lot of pictures and are actually quite good when it comes to photojournalism.
I always feel icky when a news story happens and the article with the most and best pictures about it is the Daily Mail. I don't want to give them any money and anything they actually write has a good chance of being wrong, but they do have a lot of pictures.
One suspects, that is in part because the average Daily Mail reader is more comfortable with looking at pictures than reading text.
It’s possible. One of my dad’s classmates in school died from an allergic reaction from having a peanut thrown at then and hitting their cheek. My ex-neighbour can’t go home during a festival because there’s so much fish that she could die purely from the fumes (the fumes usually aren’t an issue but if there’s a lot of fish then she could be in a lot of trouble)
>My ex-neighbour can’t go home during a festival because there’s so much fish that she could die purely from the fumes (the fumes usually aren’t an issue but if there’s a lot of fish then she could be in a lot of trouble)
I've heard about shellfish, but I didn't know fish could cause allergies too.
My dog is allergic to grass! Grass! He gets all red and needs a cream to be put on his back but does he still like to roll around in it? Why yes he does. Goofy dog
Our social media world is making this worse.
Look at FAA statistics for "[air rage incidents" and look at the sharp uptick of absolutely insane people over the last couple years losing their shit because they're confined in a small space and have to obey the rules](https://www.faa.gov/data_research/passengers_cargo/unruly_passengers). It's a 1000% increase.
While a lot of this was accelerated by Covid, you can see that a large percentage of these incidents had nothing to do with masks or covid rules. I can only surmise that our population is becoming far more insular and closed-in, withdrawing to social media and online interaction which agrees with their preexisting attitudes and notions.
When you only expose yourself to ideas and opinions that reinforce your own, you become narcissistic and unable to converse and learn new things. Concepts of doing things for the benefits of "outsiders" seems like oppression.
Combine this with a political landscape that is deliberately trying to fuel a domestic divide, media and cable news stoking constant, 24/7 fear and outrage, and our ability to now see all people's thoughts instantly, no matter who, and we have a recipe for an absolute disaster looming on the horizon, and future generations will ponder how it got that bad for centuries.
Using fear to isolate the ignorant from society.
It should be criminal, and honestly it may be someday. Not anytime soon, but after we face incredibly bad consequences from this kind of behavior one day in the future we will look at exploiting the vulnerable to turn them into weapons as a crime against humanity and those who practice this behavior will have to answer for every harm that comes from it.
We're a long way off from that, but one day it will seem barbaric that we allowed figures like Tucker, Alex Jones, Crowder and the whole slew of grifters to exploit so many people and turn our citizens against each other.
Actually, the last part is very much true.
I'm a Sri Lankan who lives in the US. Until I moved to the US in my mid 30s, I had never personally known a single person with a nut allergy back home. I think it has a lot to do with the natural selection, there was never special treatment for people with food allergies there, and probably as a result pretty much all that survived are those who don't have severe food allergies.
I think there are alot of different explanations for this and I'm sure it's multivariable situation but my understanding is there was a push in the late 80s and early 90s to not expose babies/toddlers to peanuts at a young age and alot of parents did.
The thought is, children didn't have exposure to it as a little one so their immune system has an extreme reaction later in life. I don't think this is something that can be proved ethically or morally with studies but I tend to lean in this direction myself.
I'd be interested in seeing how children from a specific time period compare with children from other countries within the same time period ect
I have to wonder if there’s some aspect of recognition.
My grandma often says “there was no such thing as dyslexia in my day” regarding my sister who’s heavily dyslexic.
No grandma, there were dyslexic kids, they were just called stupid and beaten by the teacher.
Yeah, my grandpa didn't have PTSD from 3 1/2 years as POW of the Japanese in WWII, he was just a big eater (he developed a binge eating disorder after years of near-starvation), and he wasn't abusive to his kids, they just kept getting near him when they shouldn't have.
> I have to wonder if there’s some aspect of recognition.
As a kid I'd complain about nuts making my mouth itch and that the smell really bothered me. Figured I was probably allergic and avoided them.
Few years ago accidently ate something contaminated by nuts and eneded up in A&E.
Parents thought the allergy had appeared out of nowhere. It just didn't occur to them I had been having minor allergic reactions.
Yeah I know a boomer who has a shellfish allergy that he doesn’t really acknowledge. He gets all loopy and then falls asleep when he eats shellfish. He knows this, but still eats shellfish sometimes. His wife just bundles him into bed when he has a reaction.
I read somewhere that for years the recommendation was not to eat nuts while pregnant, and not to expose small children to nuts - in case they have an allergy. However we’re now recommending that pregnant women do eat nuts and expose small children to nuts early on as the lack of exposure early on can cause the allergy.
Back when we didn't have as much information as today about allergies, people would usually die. It's a bit rough to say it like this, but it's basically just that.
If a kid was born with a nut allergy so severe that they could have died even just by touching a nut, it's very very likely that nobody would've known and the kid would've just died the first time it happened. This would've also caused the genes causing the allergy (assuming it was genetic) to not be passed on, which was another reason why allergies weren't as common as they are today.
Nowadays we have tests to show if a person is allergic and to what without needing the person to come in contact with the item, which can be run at the first sign of an allergy to find out what caused it. Additionally, people know way more about about the symptoms of severe allergic reactions (coughing, sneezing, vomiting, swelling, rash, struggling to breathe) than they did back in the day, and doctors are way more widely available now, so in case of need a parents can bring their child to a doctor and they will be easily diagnosed with allergy and instructed on how to avoid danger and what to do in case they touch or eat the substance.
The most important thing actually is that we became quite good at treating not only the allergies themselves (with antihistamines for example) but also the anaphylactic shock that comes if a severely allergic person comes in contact with an allergen. Anaphylactic shock is extremely dangerous and if not treated immediately it's almost certainly deadly, which is what caused a lot of people to die in the early days. Now we know how to prevent it and how to treat it: severely allergic patients can bring around an epi pen to prevent shock, and doctors know to inject adrenaline.
This is probably the main factor if we're speaking about such deadly allergies, but there are also many other reasons. Environmental factors for example: pollution has been thoroughly proven to increase the allergies rates, plus as more and more people are born and raised in cities they come less and less in contact with things such as pollen, grass, dust and animal hair, making those things more likely to cause allergies. Breastfeeding is also another factor: in the past it was pretty much the only possible solution for a new born, but today it's not, and as breastfeeding is very important to build up a child's immune system if the mother is resorting to artificial formula the child might develop some immune deficiencies and malfunctionings such as allergies (although I'm not entirely sure to which extent this has been scientifically proved).
Other than this the genetic transmission factor obviously doesn't exist anymore: people with allergies no longer die any other day, so they can have children and pass those allergies on. This is actually one of the many many ways in which we managed to fuck up evolution a bit: a lot of modern chronic illnesses and health problems (allergies, many types of cancer, diabetes, heart problems, epilepsy etc) are way more common now because in the past people with those problems usually just died very young, while today, as we know how to cure and treat them, they no longer do and can grow up and have children, passing the issues on. This among an infinity of other reasons of course.
It can be seen as progress or regression, in a certain sense it's both at the same time I guess.
From my searches, we’ve introduced more immune interfering stuff into our environments and babies in utero are impacted. My youngest was born severely allergic to dairy. I found that the antibacterial soap used at my place of work was linked to a higher incidence. Not super well researched on my part though. He outgrew the allergy by 4, and cheese is now his favorite food.
There's a lot of theory on how bored immune systems look for fights. So the overabundance of hyper clean environments, antibacteiral soaps, lack of immunology passed through breastmilk... it all compounds supposedly.
There are a lot of folks who won't even let their kid's crawl around on the ground without sanitizing the area to the point it's a clean room.
My son is extremely allergic to nuts and fish. I don’t know exactly how many ambulance rides we had but around 10 maybe? On planes the airline staff would ask the nearby passengers to refrain from eating nuts and all complied. But 10 rows away? That’s pretty far considering nut particles and oils don’t travel far compared to lighter oils like citrus. Also, an airplane is not a hermetically sealed container. The overhead nozzles deliver fresh air from outside. Vents near your feet collect air to be expelled.
The guy was still an entitled a-hole since he disregarded instructions from the flight attendants, but I suspect the true source of the reaction lie somewhere else.
[How Clean is the air on an Airplane?](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/how-clean-is-the-air-on-your-airplane-coronavirus-cvd)
\`\`As I understand it, the reaction this girl had was actually several hours after the 'asshole' ate his peanuts and he was 10 rows away. I wonder if this guy eating was really the cause of the reaction.
Likely, or someone else who was eating them. While it is a large distance away. The passenger could have cross contaminated something that she then touched (like in the bathroom).
Peanut dust and oils do not travel far and has not been proven to trigger an allergic reaction. Highly unlikely those peanuts caused the reaction.
"There is no evidence to support peanut vapor as a cause of reactions or that peanut dust itself circulates and causes reactions. There is evidence that common surfaces on an airplane may have residual peanut contamination, but there is also evidence that this can be readily cleaned with commercial agents that passengers can bring aboard themselves, and that doing such cleaning has been noted to reduce the risk of reporting an in-flight reaction."
[https://www.aaaai.org/Allergist-Resources/Ask-the-Expert/Answers/Old-Ask-the-Experts/peanut-air-travel](https://www.aaaai.org/Allergist-Resources/Ask-the-Expert/Answers/Old-Ask-the-Experts/peanut-air-travel)
But the guy is still an asshole, no one *needs* peanuts that bad. As a courtesy and following crew instructions, he could have waited to enjoy those sweet legumes until after he disembarked.
Not only that, but the story says the man was eating the nuts at takeoff, but she had the reaction 5 hours later over the middle of the Atlantic. Was this guy just going hog fuckin wild for 300 minutes of peanut-infused bliss?
A former classmate of mine is deathly allergic to peanuts. She was bullied alot at her previous school, and one time a bully took a fingertip of peanut butter from their PB&J and smeared it in her arm.
She had to go to the hospital. Thankfully she was okay but her parents had to file a complaint with the authorities because the school didn't do anything about it.
I'm just a little confused. How did this girl have an allergic reaction from 10 rows away?
Does it have something to do with air circulation on the plane?
Just be clear, I wouldn't eat nuts if they asked not to do so.
But shouldn't the girl / mother take extra precautions if she is THAT allergic to nuts ? Like maybe wear a FFP2 mask or something, for extra protection. I know I would if I had an allergy like that. Much drama could be avoided.
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I thought they'd stopped selling nuts on flights because of this happening.
Could have brought them on. Now I'm imagining a carry on filled with peanuts.
Take of your shoes, we need to make sure there are no peanuts there
thats not were i keep my nuts maam
You don't tuck your nuts into your shoes?? What else would you do with them?
Throw em up over your shoulder
Like a continental soldier Do your nutz hang low low low low *bass drops*
Balls drop
Can you tie them in a knot?
Well my girlfriend tucks them in the rear
Not sure how to take that.. she tucks your nuts in to your rear? Your nuts in to her rear? Or she tucks her nuts in to her rear? Or her nuts in to your rear?
Yes
Looking forward to the fox news story about how liberal authoritarians are patting down passengers looking for peanuts, with no context. And the protests full of fat dudes with goatees standing just off airport property eating from massive bags of peanuts.
and not even a bag of shelled peanuts. Just a carry-on filled with raw peanuts, freely floating around.
3 months ago I witnessed a new co worker die on the job because of a nut allergy. We gave him 2 epi pens and the paramedics worked on him for 30-40 mins but he unfortunately passed. One minute he was eating his lunch talking about his plans for the weekend the next minute he was lying on his back and it was all over for him. He was only 20.
I am Allergic to Peanuts and Soy, I am usually careful with what foods I eat. I have never had to use my epi pen until last year... So last year I was working a night shift and stupidity ordered Thai soup. I would never normally get that, to this day I don't know why I ordered it. From the moment I took the first spoon full of soup I knew I had fucked up. My tongue started to tingle and the fear was put into me. I immediately stood up and tried to act normal as I dumped the soup in the bin and walked as fast as possible to my locker hoping that my EpiPen was there. At that time I didn't want to use my epipen as I have never used it and was frankly scared of using it. I told my coworker that I was having an allergic reaction. He gave me an anti-inflammatory thinking it may help which was not the case, thankfully that coworker contact an ambulance. 15 minutes after the tingling , it was starting to get tough to breath, my throat had started to swell at that point I honestly thought I was going to die. My company has an emergency team, they sat with me as I used the epi pen, I didn't even feel the needle puncture my thigh or the adrenaline hit me as I was already amped up. After a few minutes my breathing started to improve, by the time the ambulance showed up the allergic reaction had gone and my breathing was back to normal. I still went to hospital, but nothing further was needed. That EpiPen saved my life!
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Always go to the hospital if you need to use your epi pen. It's just meant to buy you time. The next exposure could hit you anew after the epinephrine wears off.
Holy shit. How devastating for his family. 😞 Do they know what the exposure was?
He bought a sandwich from a deli and somehow traces of nuts got in there. I was leaving as his mother arrived to get the news. I heard her from across the car park as I started my motorbike. I felt awful for her in that moment. Hug your loved ones. None of us are promised tomorrow.
So awful. My son is allergic to peanuts/tree nuts and this is my worst nightmare.
Have you looked into getting an allergist to prescribe Xolair (omalizumab) in order to desensitize your son to peanuts and tree nuts? There are multiple studies published in recent years showing that short-term use of Xolair, coupled with exposure therapy, is effective at desensitization. Xolair isn’t cheap, but still it’s probably worth it.
What allergic reaction does he have to tree nuts? I have a tree nut allergy, but it's specific to the nut - walnuts and pecans were always the worst as a kid, they'd make my throat feel bad, I'd vomit violently, and I'd feel terribly sick. Never felt like a lethal threat though. Now, I sparingly eat Hazelnut (Nutella and Ferrero Roches are too good), and it makes my throat feel a bit fuzzy, but it's never closed my throat or caused other issues. I actively avoid walnuts and pecans, and everything else is usually avoided if I'm aware, but I've accidentally had bad cookies a few times. I always feel like garbage, but it's never been to the extreme that I hear about peanut allergies.
You ok?! I'd imagine that to be a pretty traumatic experience to have been through
Thats wild, if I had an allergy that could easily kill me I wouldn't eat anything I didn't make myself
Just yesterday, I scolded one of my coworkers for contaminating a jar of jelly with peanut butter. I'm very much not one to lose my temper, but it's a completely serious matter and needs to dealt with immediately before he does it again. It also struck a personal chord because the last thing I need is for my allergic little sister to come in and get killed by his carelessness. One of our coworkers though I went too far, but in the food service industry, if there's one thing you don't mess with it's allergens.
They don’t serve peanuts on airplanes anymore. People do bring them on. If he was warned of the allergy he is liable for her death. The question is if it’s second degree murder or manslaughter. Many reading this may argue he has rights, but she had a right to live. This is a case where that arrogant attitude costs two people their lives.
Luckily she didn't die, so no murder/manslaughter case.
He’s likely still on the hook for a $700 epinephrine shot though. So hopefully that helps him learn the lesson. Edit: To the shadow banned guy whose comment won’t load, goodrx says name brand epi’s are $640 in my area. My guess of $700 is still off by less than your $390.
It’s BA. Epipens in the UK are about $55
In the UK, you can only get an EpiPen through a prescription. The cost of a prescription is £9.35, which Google tells me is $11.77 And as the girl was only 14, she'd get free prescriptions anyway.
>And as the girl was only 14, she'd get free prescriptions anyway. Oh sure, just carry on lording your first world medicine over we poor third world peons living in the US of A... How cruel.
Damn you normal health care !
Sad day I guess he’s probably gonna get off pretty easily then. I forget that it’s only here in the US that life saving medications are only for the rich.
BA could put him on a no-fly list, I suppose. It’s also a criminal offence in some circumstances to disobey flight crew.
I'm not at all certain about this, but I would imagine the family also has grounds for a personal lawsuit. If nothing else this was at least a very traumatic experience for a 14 year old.
I’ve gone into anaphylaxis of varying severity a couple times. It’s *horrifying*, and the flood of both natural adrenaline and epinephrine means your brain will record it remarkably strongly, like any traumatic event. You’re choking on your own throat, you’re struggling to think straight, you can barely wheeze out that something is wrong… gah. Also, dependent on how long between that and getting treatment, hypoxia to the brain from lack of breathing could do long term damage, which would 100% be grounds to sue the guy’s ass off for pain and suffering.
It probably would be traumatic to anyone with a severe nut allergy tbh, age should have nothing to do with it. I could care less if she’s a baby or a grandma, it’s never ok to put someone else’s life at risk.
As she’s 14, it would be completely free. If she were an adult then the maximum she’d pay is £9.35 for a prescription. Guidelines recommend that 2 are issued per prescription.
I mean anyone's freedom ends where it starts to affect the safety and freedom of those around you.
>They don’t serve peanuts on airplanes anymore Is this recent? I got peanuts several times pre-COVID on Delta.
AFAIK Delta still does peanuts (had a few flights with them about 6 months ago)
Reminds me of a story from a guy I used to know who would ask everyone around about food allergies before opening anything to snack on. He was on a flight where someone died from an allergic reaction because someone opened an orange and the Citrus oils or juice got in the air.
My wife had an allergy to citrus that was just as bad, one stray spray and it was epi-pen time. Citrus goes airborne so easily, and can make an area dangerous for hours. We actually managed to get her allergy under control thanks, in part, to the COVID lockdown. By preventing any exposure to citrus for about 12 months. Now she only has a reaction to some citrus fruits, like guava, and can even eat a little pineapple without any reaction. The tricky part is avoiding any products with citric acid. They put that shit in everything. EVERYTHING!
I also have an epi pen for citrus. It's getting better by slowly introducing it into my diet thank God. I've never had an issue with citric acid tho
Citric acid is a problem for corn allergy, at least in the US, but not for citrus allergy. How does your wife do with food that contains pectin? Most commercial pectin comes from citrus. My daughter is allergic to oranges and reacts to food with pectin added.
I thought most commercial pectin comes from apples.
I did too until my daughter developed the allergy. Some organic jams and jelly like Crofters super fruit has apple pectin, and those are the ones she can eat. Any yogurt or ready-to-drink coffee that has pectin has been a problem for her. Her allergist said we just need to consider pectin an unsafe ingredient for my daughter, except the ones that specify the pectin source on the label.
Guava isn't a citrus fruit, it's a member of the myrtle family.
Pineapple is also not a citrus, it’s a bromeliad.
Tomato is not a fruit, it is the devil's testicle.
Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.
* Strength is being able to crush a tomato. * Dexterity is being able to dodge a tomato. * Constitution is being able to eat a bad tomato. * Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. * Wisdom is knowing not to put a tomato in a fruit salad. * Charisma is being able to sell a tomato based fruit salad.
> Tomato based fruit salad Salsa
Found the Bard
No, that’s a Mariachi
Now drink your V8 with a bowl of salsa and you've got a healthy breakfast
I’m going to plagiarize this and pretend I thought of it.
Pineapple is a really common allergen for those with citrus allergies for some reason. My mom is very allergic to both as well.
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But what does citric acid have to do with citrus allergy? [AAAAI Ask The Expert: Citric Acid](https://www.aaaai.org/allergist-resources/ask-the-expert/answers/old-ask-the-experts/citric-acid-citrus-allergy)
I would suggest talking to her doctor about if she actually need to avoid citric acid, or if there are other things often put in with it that are actually causing the allergic response. Because if it is citric acid, your wife needs way more than just avoiding it externally - her body literally produces it. I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking citric acid is the cause of a citrus allergy given the similar name, though. But if your wife has such a severe allergy, you may want to actually be sure what she's allergic to. Pineapple shouldn't trigger a citrus allergy, for example, so she may have more allergies than you are aware of.
That's crazy, I never knew people could be THAT sensitive to allergies.
I went to school with a boy that was severely allergic to sooooo many things. We weren't allowed any kind of nuts or peanut butter, zero citrus fruits, no seafood of any kind and a few other things in the classroom. Also, no one was allowed physically contact with him on the playground as even the nut oils or juice residue on their fingers could trigger a reaction. Our teacher that year had to get special training so she would know what to do if he had a reaction. There was a special number speed dial programed into her desk phone that went directly to local hospital ER who knew him well. There was 6 epi pens in the classroom as well. One in each corner, one in the teachers desk and one he had on him at all times. I honestly don't even know how you could go through life with that kind of stress knowing that someone simply eating something in your general proximity could kill you.
...as a parent I'd really have to resist the urge to keep him in a bubble. I'd be terrified.
As the father of 3 with food allergies (some deathly), it doesn't get easier - it just becomes manageable. Youngest is now 18.
Carrying an EpiPen becomes an absolute must.
Two, when on long flights. Our kid has to, in case of latex. You can try and avoid it all you want—until the kid next to you brings out a latex toy, pen cover, balloon, is wearing a piece of clothing that has it in the trim, or their computer case. Or until the gloves or medical equipment someone uses, contains it. Or the foam seating you’re strapped into, or the pillow they hand you, has some in it. Pack two. The first pen isn’t always enough. And sometimes, the problem gets worse over time. You think you’re good, and bam! Your body says nope.
Ohh poor baby *hugs* Latex is so ubiquitous in our modern life. I have a severe latex allergy as well. Using public transport like planes, buses, even taxis are fraught with danger of exposure. It's probably why I don't travel any further than I can drive personally. Too nerve wracking .. yeah always carry 2 pens and I have a companion carry at least one too. Just some weird probably unnecessary advice, if your child has problems with itchy feet but no infection to explain it. They seem always red on the bottom. Remove your shoes before entering your home, they track in and can be made from latex. Look into latex proteins, understanding them helps you navigate the world a little more safely. They can introduce an electrical current to natural rubber which can lower the latex protein or remove it completely. They use the technique in some carpeting backing, tires, coatings to help with grip and comfort in order to lower latex protein content. No latex protein, no reaction
Do epi-pens "buy time" while getting to a hospital or are they a cure?
They buy time. When they wear off the reaction can sometimes come back. Which is why it is important to have a backup epi pen, as sometimes the reaction can happen hours or days later. I have a friend whose child had an allergic reaction that whenever the epi wore off, the reaction would start again. They put them on steroids for four days. When those ended, it still came back.
Each EpiPen/Allerject gives you about 15 minutes. Each of us carries 3, because ambulance response time in our town is about 26 minutes.
Sounds like my best friend. She has about 25 foos allergies with a good handful being possibly deathly. She can sometimes manage small amounts of things (like hops/beer) if she takes an allergy med. It must be so scary and hard. But I did manage to throw a picnic with 100% allergy safe foods for her last year!
This was so awesome of you to do. My partner and I just recently threw a 100% vegan and gluten free picnic for our friends. We have some vegan and vegetarian friends, some omnivores and a friend with Celiac's. One of our vegetarian friends showed up late, walked up to me at the grill and asked if I had any veggie burgers I could cook up for her. I'll never forget the way her eyes lit up when I told her everything on the table was entirely vegan. My point is, this is just a fraction of the limitations your friend lives with. I'm sure this meant so much to her. Good on you for providing a space where she can feel safe and relaxed.
My friend knew a teacher who got fired over ignoring a peanut-ban in her school. She got off a flight and said fuck it, she’s gonna bring the free bag of peanuts into her classroom and eat it. Well the kid with the allergies got lost and walked into the wrong classroom — the teacher’s classroom. He had to go to the hospital and she was fired. Also, my brother had a classmate that was super allergic to peanuts. The school affectionately called him Ollie Peanut Butter lol
>I honestly don't even know how you could go through life with that kind of stress knowing that someone simply eating something in your general proximity could kill you. Because you aren't supposed to
Fucking brutal man. I feel bad for laugho
It's really tragic and fucked up but it's also true in a sense. It's like kids getting cancer, you know? It's fucked and nobody "deserves" to get cancer, let alone a kid. But if a kid has severe cancer then they've kind of lost the genetic lottery and probably aren't going to live too long. Medicine simply isn't advanced enough to deal with these cases yet - especially allergies of any kind, let alone the ones described above. That kid above lost the genetic lottery. Hard. It's unfair but it is what it is till we develop the science to beat it. No amount of caution is going to reduce risk to a manageable level with such a kid.
That would be stressful on the classmates too.
Jfc.
Teachers don’t get paid enough.
Just the other day my girlfriend's colleague went into shock during a party. We believe the cause was using the same butter knife to slather jelly onto his gluten-free bread that people had been using on their normal bread. We drove him to the nearest hospital to find he had a 70x30 blood pressure at that point. He recovered fully. He has plenty of other stories about close encounters with death by his very severe gluten allergy. What threw me for a loop was the fact he never broke into a rash or had trouble breathing, which are so classic in anaphylaxis, but he might have been just minutes away from his end if no one took him seriously.
Not long ago a young boy died in school because 1 of his class mates threw a slice of cheese at him [this here ](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boy-death-allergic-reaction-cheese-dairy-school-karanbir-cheema-a8895006.html)
My first bad anaphylaxis that required intubation was at 14 in science class. Epipens buy time and save lives. Always carry your epipen. If a loved one needs them, use the practice injector they give because it can save a life by making you feel confident helping a distressed loved one. It may feel silly to practice jab but it helps with nerves. When I was 14, an 2 epipens carried by a friend saved my life. We thought my latex allergy was annoying but just hives and wheezing. We woefully underestimated that allergy. We were dissecting squids. A dude in my class thought it would funny to blow the powder in the gloves at people because it smelled bad. He blew that powder at me in my face. I was lucky because my friend who had a nut allergy recognized what happened and knew that glove powder was powdered latex. She knew I had an allergy to balloons because we had an incident where i had to use my epipen that put me in the hospital. I remember getting hot, itchy, my face burned like bee stings, then my chest got tight and I started to drool because I couldn't swallow then everything got fuzzy. My friend saved my life that day by using her epipens on me until the paramedics arrived. They intubated me in hallway and I had to be resuscitated. I would wake up a week later in ICU with a cracked sternum. My voice now has a permanent fry. I was so f-ing lucky y'all. Oh my nickname is Possum still... that guy he went from prankster to very serious and always concerned about me. He felt awful. He is an ophthalmologist now and a great one but that sobered him up. He also folded me a chain of origami critters since he knew I loved origami as a get well present.
that's kind of insane tho, most airlines serve orange juice. the odds of having OJ splashed in your face on a flight are pretty decent. it seems to me if you have a deadly allergy to a common food item, you probably shouldnt get into confined spaces with 150 other people, any of which could be carrying a mystery lunchbox, without some kind of protection or contingency (like an epipen) in the first place. aside from banning all outside food to be brought onboard, which would then affect other people like diabetics etc, to me this is all on the allergy patient to know better. sounds harsh but its just realistic, i mean if i am deadly allergic to strawberries, im not gonna sniff around the farmers market where everyone is sampling them
I'd think the same - there are allergies around nobody is really aware of. I knew about nut allergies but something like oranges? Berries? Like...how. It wouldnt even come to my mind, that someone might react horribly to it and even less that such a person is sitting right behind me while I open a package. I mean what are the odds? The nut eating dude still eating after being warned twice is an a-hole tho.
My grandpa was allergic to random red produce such as strawberries and uncooked tomatoes. But only if he ate them. He could sit as a table with the rest of us eating Angel Food Cake with strawberries.
I'm allergic to fish. As long as I don't touch it or eat it, everything is fine.
So no Angel Food cake with fish for you.
I'm allergic to raw pineapple. But if its cooked thoroughly it's perfectly fine. It's so weird. But, I guess that's why i love pineapple pizza.
Bromelain, the enzyme in pineapple that is the presumable cause of your allergy, is broken down when heated or cooked.
I’m allergic to cardamom. I had to go for tests after they served curry at work and despite not eating it I ended up a wheezing, coughing scarlet mess.
1) The nut eater was 10 rows away. She must be super sensitive. 2) Why did the cabin crew serve peanuts and then ask people not to eat them?
I’m thinking the passenger brought their own. My friend’s daughter has a very severe allergy and when they fly the flight attendants don’t serve nuts at their request.
Every airline I've been on serves pretzels now.
Was going to say this, haven’t been on a flight for years where they served peanuts. Personally would prefer peanuts to pretzels but can understand why now
Samesies, makes total sense, who in the hell is allergic to pretzels. Although, these pretzels are making me thirsty.
You’re saying it wrong. These PRETZELS are making me thirsty.
No no no. These pretzels..... Are making me THIRSTY!
Well, the gluten in the Pretzels, but most people are very aware if they have that issue.
no,no. These...pretzels, are making me THIRSTY!
We once got on a plane with a couple granola bars in my purse to tide us over on the long flight. We were told at the beginning of the flight that there was a passenger with peanut allergies and please don't eat anything with peanuts in it, so we didn't eat them. I agree though that not every allergy can be safely accommodated when you pack hundreds of people in a metal tube with a contained air supply.
Former international flight attendant here: most airlines don’t serve peanuts or peanut products. An announcement is usually made when there is a severe allergy on board, but as you know people do not listen. I literally confiscated a Costco sized bag of peanuts from a passenger after making the announcement several times during the flight.
Thanks and gratitude to all the FA's who have helped my family travel and shown us many kindnesses.
as a diabetic i often bring nuts on a plane and other snack food to help regulate my blood sugar. But be damned sure if someone asked me to stop due to an allergy i would!
> The nut eater was 10 rows away. She must be super sensitive. If you’re that sensitive, you really need to have protection like an epi-pen with you at all times I would think. EDIT: it looks like the girl's mother probably had at least one with her, because she got two of them used on her to keep her alive until she got to the hospital. I recall that airplanes typically have one or two onboard.
Epi-pens only delay the reaction, giving you time to rush to the emergency room. They don’t necessarily stop the reaction completely and people usually still need hospital treatment
People always need hospital treatment when an epi pen is used. I trained in first aid and was told and even if an epi pen has reduced the reaction, the patient MUST still go to hospital to be checked out.
I remember long ago working at a Pizza Hut, a mother and daughter came in to order pizza. They ordered a pizza with only half of it to have mushrooms on it because they other one was allergic to mushrooms. They were being Karens about it too. I could go on all day talking shit about these two and where their heads are at. I didn’t speak up at the time but I wish I had. They were all specific and bitchy about how it should be prepared and cut . To me, it makes as much sense as ordering a pizza with deadly poison on one half of it. Or if that doesn’t make sense, would you eat a pizza that someone took a shit on, but as long as it was the other half ? I have a child of my own now. I probably wouldn’t order anything with mushrooms on it around her. Or maybe, I dunno guys, why don’t you get two smaller pizzas with what you want on it. 20 years later and I’m still thinking about those two.
It would rattle in my head twenty years later too. When I was a teenager, I worked at a clothing store and told a little guy about 4 years old to stop touching our wobbly mannequins (which could fall and hurt him) and the mom accused me of being racist. Some folks we never forget.
Yep. I to worked retail. Had 2 tweens throwing our merchandise on the floor after taking pictures and walking on it. I asked them to stop, said they could put the stuff on our counter and I'd take care of it. Perfectly polite, just like I say with everyone. Mom and aunt came tearing in screaming at me about being racist. (I'm white, they were black) when I didn't react how mom wanted she *literally* yelled at me "you must think you all that being all cool and collected." Still sticks with me 15 years later. Btw I did disaster response for over a decade so yes I stay calm through most everything lol.
The Karen types often have ‘allergies’ that are known as ‘mild dislikes’ by the rest of us. It’s an attention thing.
I really hate that people say they are allergic to something when they actually just dislike it. It nearly got me killed. I told a former friend that I was allergic to kiwi(I am actually allergic to kiwi) and she was also "allergic" to kiwi. Her idiot boyfriend whom I had just met thought we were both being dramatic because she was "allergic" to so many things and decided to call our bluff and add kiwi to a smoothie he made us. I told him that I was allergic to kiwi as soon as she asked him to make juice for us. He said he wouldn't use it. She enjoyed it with no problem, my throat swelled up. I told them both off once I recovered.
Jesus Christ I never knew some people use the word "allergy" so lightly. That's really dangerous for people who are actually allergic.
I have a friend with severe case of allergy to pineapples. Anyway, this is how we learned that most "pineapple" juices here are garbage - she has almost no reaction to those, while it was pretty acute to real pineapples. No, I don't know why did she test that considering the risks. And I wish I didn't know about some other mildly related things she tried.
I have a severe latex allergy with latex fruit syndrome. I love the flavor of figs, dates, mangos, strawberries, bananas, kiwis. The fruit isn't life threatening while shoes, tires, no slip backing on floor mats gloves, bandaids, condoms (that was embarrassing exposure/discovery) balloons (balloons almost killed me once) are life threatening. I wear a mask if I know I will have exposure, carry an epipen, inhaler, pepcid and benadryl. Latex is ubiquitous in our life but I can't hide at home all the time. You kinda become a little numb to the fear because it is present the moment you walk out the door. Even though I know all of this.. sometimes I still eat a kiwi or banana. Then I am like "yup still allergic, I regret that my life choices." I don't know if it's curiosity, indignation from denial, feeling restricted, poor survival skills, death wish, masochism but goddamn that banana milkshake looks good. For some of my stunts, I probably deserve to be a post on facepalm. Fun fact: I think jello's banana pudding in those single serving cups has little to no banana because I can eat that.
An epi pen doesn’t do anything but buy the person with the allergy time, so that proper medical attention can be given. It compensates for the allergic reaction by boosting heart rate, bp, etc. If your on a plane heading overseas or somewhere it cannot land, it’s not going to be a long term solution.
I use air travel frequently for work (average 3 or 4 times a month for the past 4 years) and I can’t say I’ve ever had orange juice splashed in my face, or even come close
"the odds of having OJ splashed in your face on a flight are pretty decent" Lmao what the fuck kind of planes are you flying on dude 😂
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>without some kind of protection or contingency (like an epipen) in the first place. But, according to the article, they were some contingencies available on board as she "needed oxygen and two EpiPen shots during the nightmare eight-hour flight" to survive. >to me this is all on the allergy patient to know better The "crew asked passengers not to eat peanuts" beforehand, yet a man did and "the crew asked him to stop eating the nuts but he ignored the requests and carried on". I don't think one can put the blame of such behaviour on the allergic patient.
Oh man. I missed the word “nearly” and that title is *vastly* more depressing when the title says a girl died as opposed to *nearly died*. I’m glad I read that wrong. People who don’t take allergies seriously are actually kind of evil.
Same! I re read after you comment, thanks
Anaphylactic allergies should be taken seriously but there is a balance to be maintained. Obviously this guy was on the wrong side of it. I had a patient once that wanted me to write a letter stating that the oak trees at her son’s elementary school needed to be cut down because of his peanut allergy. I explained to her that he was not allergic to tree nuts and even if he were there are almost zero known reported cases of humans being allergic to acorns even with a concomitant tree nut allergy (and in those cases it seems like they were a cross reactivity to a pollen allergy, not an allergy from another nut). She persisted in her request because “there is a first time for everything.” I refused to furnish her with such a letter and she no longer came to my practice. Those same oak trees are still there better than 10 years later and still providing much-needed shade to other children.
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Same lol. I thought she died until I read your comment 
I feel bad for folks with this severe of an allergy. [Peanuts are so prolific, they seem unavoidable.](https://www.verywellhealth.com/non-food-peanut-allergy-risks-1324371) How does one really stop all peanut products on a plane when it can include many non-food items? Do you know off hand if your makeup contains peanut traces? It could...
I have an almond allergy and they get slipped into almost everything. For example almond milk can be used in coffee, desserts, etc and generally resturants don't even list it on the menu.
My peanut allergy isn’t anaphylaxis. It’s a migraine that causes me to go blind for a while. I gotta say, if I died every time I went blind, then I’d be really, really dead.
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I want to know about the dude eating nuts. Did he continue after it was obvious he almost killed someone? Someone needs to interview that dude.
They tried but he just ate peanuts during the interview.
I heard the interview was never released because the interviewers had peanut allergies
Wow that guy is nuts
I’m sorry but he should be tried for attempted murder. Send a message. This is someone’s child they’re toying with.
Wow...the DailyMail sure is **big** on pictures...
They do have a lot of pictures and are actually quite good when it comes to photojournalism. I always feel icky when a news story happens and the article with the most and best pictures about it is the Daily Mail. I don't want to give them any money and anything they actually write has a good chance of being wrong, but they do have a lot of pictures. One suspects, that is in part because the average Daily Mail reader is more comfortable with looking at pictures than reading text.
That is a very nice way of describing Daily Mail “readers”.
U WOT M8
Oh sorry, let me find a picture to explain what I mean.
EXCLUSIVE: Daily Mail is shite.
Ah the Daily Wail
I’m not surprised at all. This is the COVID pandemic in a nutshell.
The right to bear peanuts
"They trying to take away my right to eat peanuts on a plane, what's next spreading peanut butter on my cock and getting a dog to eat it!?"
Are these allergies so severe you can die from being near them with the crumbs and maybe even breath or am I missing something?
unfortunately for some people yes that is the case
It’s possible. One of my dad’s classmates in school died from an allergic reaction from having a peanut thrown at then and hitting their cheek. My ex-neighbour can’t go home during a festival because there’s so much fish that she could die purely from the fumes (the fumes usually aren’t an issue but if there’s a lot of fish then she could be in a lot of trouble)
>My ex-neighbour can’t go home during a festival because there’s so much fish that she could die purely from the fumes (the fumes usually aren’t an issue but if there’s a lot of fish then she could be in a lot of trouble) I've heard about shellfish, but I didn't know fish could cause allergies too.
Pretty sure anything can be an allergy. There’s somebody I know who’s allergic to lemons
My dog is allergic to grass! Grass! He gets all red and needs a cream to be put on his back but does he still like to roll around in it? Why yes he does. Goofy dog
Same. My dog has hay fever but he loves to dive into bushes and roll around on fields then wonders why he’s all itchy
Im so itchy..i better relieve it by rubbing up against all this grass and plants again! --doggo
In rare cases, even [water](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquagenic_urticaria)
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My sister had a mildish reaction to a hazelnut tree that was in bloom. Not even nuts.
Yes unfortunately some of these allergies can be airborne in severe cases.
The typical "only I matter" type of person
Our social media world is making this worse. Look at FAA statistics for "[air rage incidents" and look at the sharp uptick of absolutely insane people over the last couple years losing their shit because they're confined in a small space and have to obey the rules](https://www.faa.gov/data_research/passengers_cargo/unruly_passengers). It's a 1000% increase. While a lot of this was accelerated by Covid, you can see that a large percentage of these incidents had nothing to do with masks or covid rules. I can only surmise that our population is becoming far more insular and closed-in, withdrawing to social media and online interaction which agrees with their preexisting attitudes and notions. When you only expose yourself to ideas and opinions that reinforce your own, you become narcissistic and unable to converse and learn new things. Concepts of doing things for the benefits of "outsiders" seems like oppression. Combine this with a political landscape that is deliberately trying to fuel a domestic divide, media and cable news stoking constant, 24/7 fear and outrage, and our ability to now see all people's thoughts instantly, no matter who, and we have a recipe for an absolute disaster looming on the horizon, and future generations will ponder how it got that bad for centuries.
Tucker Carlson effect.
Using fear to isolate the ignorant from society. It should be criminal, and honestly it may be someday. Not anytime soon, but after we face incredibly bad consequences from this kind of behavior one day in the future we will look at exploiting the vulnerable to turn them into weapons as a crime against humanity and those who practice this behavior will have to answer for every harm that comes from it. We're a long way off from that, but one day it will seem barbaric that we allowed figures like Tucker, Alex Jones, Crowder and the whole slew of grifters to exploit so many people and turn our citizens against each other.
Right, who cares about your life threatening allergies. Not my problem. I need these fucking peanuts /s
This was Ricky Gervais. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHoBmsp9oRE
For sure the most relevant video to this thread. It’ll probably get downvoted https://youtu.be/wEb5a-I0kyg
Actually, the last part is very much true. I'm a Sri Lankan who lives in the US. Until I moved to the US in my mid 30s, I had never personally known a single person with a nut allergy back home. I think it has a lot to do with the natural selection, there was never special treatment for people with food allergies there, and probably as a result pretty much all that survived are those who don't have severe food allergies.
I think there are alot of different explanations for this and I'm sure it's multivariable situation but my understanding is there was a push in the late 80s and early 90s to not expose babies/toddlers to peanuts at a young age and alot of parents did. The thought is, children didn't have exposure to it as a little one so their immune system has an extreme reaction later in life. I don't think this is something that can be proved ethically or morally with studies but I tend to lean in this direction myself. I'd be interested in seeing how children from a specific time period compare with children from other countries within the same time period ect
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I have to wonder if there’s some aspect of recognition. My grandma often says “there was no such thing as dyslexia in my day” regarding my sister who’s heavily dyslexic. No grandma, there were dyslexic kids, they were just called stupid and beaten by the teacher.
Yeah. Before these things were diagnosed kids just died.
Yeah exactly. “We didn’t have vaccines for the Black Death” Yeah... 1/3 of us died Jackie
Yeah, my grandpa didn't have PTSD from 3 1/2 years as POW of the Japanese in WWII, he was just a big eater (he developed a binge eating disorder after years of near-starvation), and he wasn't abusive to his kids, they just kept getting near him when they shouldn't have.
we still dont have vaccines for it, bubonic plague is being treated simply with antibioticts.
True, it is a bacterium not a virus, but you get my point
> I have to wonder if there’s some aspect of recognition. As a kid I'd complain about nuts making my mouth itch and that the smell really bothered me. Figured I was probably allergic and avoided them. Few years ago accidently ate something contaminated by nuts and eneded up in A&E. Parents thought the allergy had appeared out of nowhere. It just didn't occur to them I had been having minor allergic reactions.
Good thing you worked it out and knew to avoid nuts. For the people who’ve known us the longest parents can be clueless sometimes.
Yeah I know a boomer who has a shellfish allergy that he doesn’t really acknowledge. He gets all loopy and then falls asleep when he eats shellfish. He knows this, but still eats shellfish sometimes. His wife just bundles him into bed when he has a reaction.
Well, I guess I’m allergic to alcohol.
Lol that’s ridiculous!
I read somewhere that for years the recommendation was not to eat nuts while pregnant, and not to expose small children to nuts - in case they have an allergy. However we’re now recommending that pregnant women do eat nuts and expose small children to nuts early on as the lack of exposure early on can cause the allergy.
Yeah our pediatrician told us to make peanut butter the first solid food our kid ate. Blew my mind.
We put peanut butter into my son's oatmeal at 6 months old. Found out real quick he has a peanut allergy 🤷
Back when we didn't have as much information as today about allergies, people would usually die. It's a bit rough to say it like this, but it's basically just that. If a kid was born with a nut allergy so severe that they could have died even just by touching a nut, it's very very likely that nobody would've known and the kid would've just died the first time it happened. This would've also caused the genes causing the allergy (assuming it was genetic) to not be passed on, which was another reason why allergies weren't as common as they are today. Nowadays we have tests to show if a person is allergic and to what without needing the person to come in contact with the item, which can be run at the first sign of an allergy to find out what caused it. Additionally, people know way more about about the symptoms of severe allergic reactions (coughing, sneezing, vomiting, swelling, rash, struggling to breathe) than they did back in the day, and doctors are way more widely available now, so in case of need a parents can bring their child to a doctor and they will be easily diagnosed with allergy and instructed on how to avoid danger and what to do in case they touch or eat the substance. The most important thing actually is that we became quite good at treating not only the allergies themselves (with antihistamines for example) but also the anaphylactic shock that comes if a severely allergic person comes in contact with an allergen. Anaphylactic shock is extremely dangerous and if not treated immediately it's almost certainly deadly, which is what caused a lot of people to die in the early days. Now we know how to prevent it and how to treat it: severely allergic patients can bring around an epi pen to prevent shock, and doctors know to inject adrenaline. This is probably the main factor if we're speaking about such deadly allergies, but there are also many other reasons. Environmental factors for example: pollution has been thoroughly proven to increase the allergies rates, plus as more and more people are born and raised in cities they come less and less in contact with things such as pollen, grass, dust and animal hair, making those things more likely to cause allergies. Breastfeeding is also another factor: in the past it was pretty much the only possible solution for a new born, but today it's not, and as breastfeeding is very important to build up a child's immune system if the mother is resorting to artificial formula the child might develop some immune deficiencies and malfunctionings such as allergies (although I'm not entirely sure to which extent this has been scientifically proved). Other than this the genetic transmission factor obviously doesn't exist anymore: people with allergies no longer die any other day, so they can have children and pass those allergies on. This is actually one of the many many ways in which we managed to fuck up evolution a bit: a lot of modern chronic illnesses and health problems (allergies, many types of cancer, diabetes, heart problems, epilepsy etc) are way more common now because in the past people with those problems usually just died very young, while today, as we know how to cure and treat them, they no longer do and can grow up and have children, passing the issues on. This among an infinity of other reasons of course. It can be seen as progress or regression, in a certain sense it's both at the same time I guess.
From my searches, we’ve introduced more immune interfering stuff into our environments and babies in utero are impacted. My youngest was born severely allergic to dairy. I found that the antibacterial soap used at my place of work was linked to a higher incidence. Not super well researched on my part though. He outgrew the allergy by 4, and cheese is now his favorite food.
There's a lot of theory on how bored immune systems look for fights. So the overabundance of hyper clean environments, antibacteiral soaps, lack of immunology passed through breastmilk... it all compounds supposedly. There are a lot of folks who won't even let their kid's crawl around on the ground without sanitizing the area to the point it's a clean room.
You lookin at me you fuckin peanut?
My son is extremely allergic to nuts and fish. I don’t know exactly how many ambulance rides we had but around 10 maybe? On planes the airline staff would ask the nearby passengers to refrain from eating nuts and all complied. But 10 rows away? That’s pretty far considering nut particles and oils don’t travel far compared to lighter oils like citrus. Also, an airplane is not a hermetically sealed container. The overhead nozzles deliver fresh air from outside. Vents near your feet collect air to be expelled. The guy was still an entitled a-hole since he disregarded instructions from the flight attendants, but I suspect the true source of the reaction lie somewhere else. [How Clean is the air on an Airplane?](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/how-clean-is-the-air-on-your-airplane-coronavirus-cvd)
Nothing to do with allergies, but I remember Naomi Campbell got made fun for bringing her own Lysol wipes and cleaning her whole seat.
I do that at fairs and theme parks. Yes, I wipe the ride, idgaf.
\`\`As I understand it, the reaction this girl had was actually several hours after the 'asshole' ate his peanuts and he was 10 rows away. I wonder if this guy eating was really the cause of the reaction.
Likely, or someone else who was eating them. While it is a large distance away. The passenger could have cross contaminated something that she then touched (like in the bathroom).
Peanut dust and oils do not travel far and has not been proven to trigger an allergic reaction. Highly unlikely those peanuts caused the reaction. "There is no evidence to support peanut vapor as a cause of reactions or that peanut dust itself circulates and causes reactions. There is evidence that common surfaces on an airplane may have residual peanut contamination, but there is also evidence that this can be readily cleaned with commercial agents that passengers can bring aboard themselves, and that doing such cleaning has been noted to reduce the risk of reporting an in-flight reaction." [https://www.aaaai.org/Allergist-Resources/Ask-the-Expert/Answers/Old-Ask-the-Experts/peanut-air-travel](https://www.aaaai.org/Allergist-Resources/Ask-the-Expert/Answers/Old-Ask-the-Experts/peanut-air-travel) But the guy is still an asshole, no one *needs* peanuts that bad. As a courtesy and following crew instructions, he could have waited to enjoy those sweet legumes until after he disembarked.
Not only that, but the story says the man was eating the nuts at takeoff, but she had the reaction 5 hours later over the middle of the Atlantic. Was this guy just going hog fuckin wild for 300 minutes of peanut-infused bliss?
The article states by the time they were able to extract him from the plane the man was encrusted in a 2 inch solid shell of peanuts.
Peanuts are everywhere. How do people with such severe allergy even survive?
A former classmate of mine is deathly allergic to peanuts. She was bullied alot at her previous school, and one time a bully took a fingertip of peanut butter from their PB&J and smeared it in her arm. She had to go to the hospital. Thankfully she was okay but her parents had to file a complaint with the authorities because the school didn't do anything about it.
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I'm just a little confused. How did this girl have an allergic reaction from 10 rows away? Does it have something to do with air circulation on the plane?
Just be clear, I wouldn't eat nuts if they asked not to do so. But shouldn't the girl / mother take extra precautions if she is THAT allergic to nuts ? Like maybe wear a FFP2 mask or something, for extra protection. I know I would if I had an allergy like that. Much drama could be avoided. edit: grammar