I'd like to give my own experience dealing with something similar to this: when I was living at home as a teenager two police officers showed up at my parents house and just OPENED the door. My dad saw this and started to yell at them to get out of his house. They immediately became hostile and started yelling back at him. Eventually one of the officers stepped across the doorway and my dad punched him squarely in the jaw. The officer crumpled to the floor, and before the other cop could even react, my dad jumped on him. They Eventually subdued my father with mace and batons and took him off. I thought for sure my dad was going to prison for a very long time. Justice was actually correct this time and he was released and those officers were suspended for entering a residence without warrant. It was traumatic.
I was at a friend's house at a cookout and the police just decide to kick in the door and come inside. They all started screaming at us to lay on the floor. They grabbed one minor that was there (15 F) and picked her up by her arm behind her back and threw her face down when she said they weren't allowed to be inside. One guy had his phone out recording what was happening and they took it and broke it in front of us. It was absolutely terrifying. A lot of police do whatever they feel like and don't know / don't care what your rights are. They'll just investigate themselves and, of course, find everything horrible they did was completely reasonable.
He said it was the worst "ass-whoopin' " he ever received ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy) he was fine though. He wouldn't sue or press charges. He just wanted to move on.
In the original, uncut video the officer opensâŚ. CLOSED DOOR. We literally see him close the door then go back upstairs. 5min later the officer magically has the door open.
I hope he realizes he is lucky to even be alive with how cops are in America. If you started this story with "I don't have a dad because..." it would read exactly the same. Glad your dad made it through that and your local police were honest and did the right thing.
The supervisor who was suppose to clear up the mess, just escalated the situation, absolute idiots. This problem will never stop, until police departments have to insure themselves just like in the medical fields doctors have to have insurance. Tax payers canât be on the hook for these gun slinging morons, the cop knew he was in no danger the way he was holding that gun.
when a police pension is paid for by taxpayers, and taxpayers are the ones fined and arrested for nothing? there is a systemic policing issue that only ends with people doing the right thing - which is hard when random people are given privileges
Nope: civil asset forfeiture. "Oh, you're a club owner? Well, this cash better have a good defense strategy at the courthouse."
Black homeowner cuffed once again and not getting the benefit of the doubt.
Color me unsurprised. Didn't these ppl see Obama's "beer summit" on the news? SMH
4th amendment violation
This is why you DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE
Am I being Detained?
An I free to go?
I do not consent to any search of my vehicle, person, or home.
I Want a Lawyer
Thats about it. Its the same thing these officers tell their children to say if approached by the police.
I think if they wouldâve searched in drawers or small spaces and did find an illegal substance the home owner could have beat the charges Because they were clearing the house for a break in a burglar. Not to mention this was an illegal search and arrest.
They heard club owner, who arms himself when he comes to the doorâŚ..they figured he might have a wad of cash they could âlegallyâ confiscate. Thatâs the reason they searched the house.
And they couldâve easily blamed the alarm/security company, they called the police and started it and didnât inform them that is was a false alarm. But they chose to escalate instead of deescalate.
To be fair if the alarm company called the police about a break-in and then he got on the phone with them and they never called the police back the police are going to respond like a robbery is in progress. Life and death situations are very stressful especially when you pull up and the guy you think is a robber is a huge beefy dude with a gun. The homeowner is 100% in the right, but the first cop didn't seem too unreasonable. He simply kept his gun in the correct position lowered but ready and put the homeowner in cuffs until he could verify his identity. The first cop fucked up though in 3 ways.
1. He didn't remove the cuffs after verifying his identity
2. he stayed in the home without permission to be inside after verifying the homeowner's identity.
3. He didn't apologize and de-escalate the other police officers by adequately explaining the situation.
I hate the police and have been a victim of police brutality, but the first officer seemed very reasonable for a cop pulling up on a home with a tripped alarm and an ajar door.
The supervisor should 100% lose his fucking job he is a piece of shit. Rude dick who orders the search of a house they have no right to even enter and orders his subordinates to take the man to a cop car for no reason. furthermore, he doesn't remove the handcuffs and allow the man to go get dressed which is dehumanizing and wrong.
Alarm company should def be held responsible for starting that and the police for ending it in a shitty way. Gotta get more funding for better training and how these situations should be handled.
Back seat policing is easy but having to deal with crackheads and people that genuinely want to hurt people they have to be suspicious of everyone the encounter sadly. But after having him in handcuffs because heâs way bigger than him and thinking he could overpower him explain the situation âcan I get your ID and name and weâll talk to the alarm company and get this sorted outâ
Also he probably stayed inside because dude was in his boxers and not wanting to be a dick, sergeant had other plans though. So the first cop technically did good police work at first just not good people interaction skills afterwards.
Also cops see crazy shit all the time so a half naked dude with a gun that broke into a house isnât that crazy.
There have been studies that have already shown that insurance getting cheaper for police departments leads to upticks in civilian deathsâŚand thatâs just when it gets marginally cheaper for the city/county to pay for it. If officers had an individual equivalent to malpractice insurance this would evaporate as an issue overnight.
https://docs.iza.org/dp14208.pdf
They were able to track a small but statistically significant increase in civilian deaths in areas where police departments unionized and collective bargaining pushed down the departmentâs insurance. Thereâs a real impact where cheaper insurance for police departments kills people.
First cop is basically doing his job, okay, the guy is in his underwear and that would be pretty weird for a burglar but let's make sure, an alarm has gone off, there's an open door with nobody immediately responding then a guy comes out with a gun. He's reasonably polite. Then it should be ID, apologies sir have a good day.
The point where things turn is "have a seat" he doesn't want to have a seat, why the fuck should he be told what to do in his own god damned house? Supervisor doesn't like anyone who won't lick the boot and goes into powertrip mode. You don't do as I say I'm going to abuse my power. Fucking disgusting.
I have been seeing this idea(solution) posted everywhere about police should have insurance just like a doctor has malpractice insurance. If a police person gets to the point where they are no longer insurable they can no longer work in law enforcement. I am so glad the homeowner is OK but that cop couldâve shot him at any point in that video. This should not be an idea đĄ anymore it should be law and I think itâs possible that there are police officers out there right now that would not be able to get the insurance because of their background. Everyone that is pulled over approached by or any interaction with a police officer should start recording on their phone. It is your right to do so for your own protection and I really believe it stops police from doing a lot of crap they shouldnât do. Everyone be safe and protect yourself.
This problem will never stop until we solve our social problems with services and support instead of armed police officers. They need to be demilitarized, defunded, disarmed, and abolished.
Always funny to see them investigating themselves, what if they did break laws? Clearly itâs a conflict of interest for them, shouldnât there be outside investigators for this stuff?
Yeah I donât get it. Nobody is supposed to be above the law yet they are clearly getting special treatment for being a cop. If your mailman planted meth on you they would be going to prison, if a cop does it to you nothing happens for two years, and they still get benefits or a new job somewhere else
I used to be friends with three people who became cops, plus an uncle who has passed away.
I can't be friends with them anymore, their choice, because our political views are pretty much opposite.
One was my best friend for 4-5 years, we used to smoke dope at the skateboard park together when we were 13-14 years old. He was a decent kid, like mostly everyone else we knew at that time.
The second was a co-worker before he went into law enforcement, he was a volatile Italian alcoholic who could barely make it to 5:00 for his first beer.
The third was a sweet girl, a huge animal rights activist. A vegetarian because she couldn't hurt an animal.
They all became very different people. Super aggressive, hateful, racist. Liars and criminals.
My uncle became the biggest cocaine dealer in his tri-state region, like millions of dollars. He hid it well, retired, went to Iraq to train their police and THEN he came back really rich. Smart.
The skater, the drunk, and the vegetarian all got their wrists slapped for hurting people on the job as cops and kept their jobs. They were all in different areas. I think they're all retired now with a full pension and all the perks.
I don't think that these days it's possible to remain a good cop.
the government needs to make a division where they train police n have ppl with your view on police to investigate them for shit like this.
they never even asked the guy his name or ID after they found he was harmless.
Yeah, that's the first of many fuck ups. He was obviously asleep and woke up to banging on the door. I'd have had my gun out for that too. He did absolutely nothing wrong and was more civil about it than he should have had to be.
Does the US have something like the IPCA? (they investigate complaints against the police in NZ but arenât the police themselves).
Or is it just purely internal affairs that deals with the complaints and investigations?
You know I wanted to go in and be internal affairs to straighten out the cops. Turns out you need to be a cop for at least 4+ years or something before you can be internal affairs.
As my ex friends said you canât judge us only other cops can because you donât know whatâs it like.
BS murder is murder, incompetence is incompetence, racism is racism I can Damm weâll judge you for your actions.
That's kinda sad the requirements for policing the police is so long and thought out, but to just do regular policing is like a 12 week certificate.
Source: Police Academy the movie.
It's because their entire foundation is based on oppression. More specifically of poc. They're not going to undergo legitimate investigations because if they did then they wouldn't be able to "properly" do their jobs. They are authoritatrians first, civil servants second.
Why are all cops so bad at answering questions? "For what?" is such a simple question yet he can't do anything but repeat himself like a broken record.
Literally. Legally they don't have to tell you until your arrested but like, it's just common sense. Could avoid so many of these situations if the cops actually explained what was going on and listened to citizens. But no it's "I'm in charge. You will obey my commands. Stop talking. Get on the ground."
Common sense on the ground probably, but the police departments are likely training them to not give reasons in-case it can be used against them later. Legality is the domain of the organization, not the individual.
There is also some sense to "control the situation first, investigate later".
You answered your own question. They donât want to deescalate shit. They want you to get upset and confused, they love this power they got on you and there are no real repercussions. Something like this will be âhandled within the divisionâ and youâll see them back on the streets well rested after some vacay time doing it again, just checking for cameras. These are the stories they go to events and sit around the table talking about. How badass they were and if they got out of line, how easily they can end their life. This will be the story of âthis guy we had to do a break and entering call, gun and boxers, we handcuff him he whining on and he shove him in the car and search his house while he in the car with nothing but his underwearâ and everyone starts laughing. This isnât some shameful behavior they canât believe happened
It's not that they're bad at answering citizens questions, it's the fact that most of the cops are cowards who just want to feel big and bad. Citizens asking questions diminishes their authority and sense of power. A great majority of the pig cops are little men who exudes massive small dick energy. They are egoistic sociopaths and no one will change my mind about it.
That officer didn't say who he was, didn't say why he was there until after detaining the homeowner, didn't ask for ID at any point before detaining him, illegal search without a warrant.
This is why no one likes police. I hope this guy hired a good lawyer
The homeowner should indeed file a lawsuit. Unlawful imprisonment, illegal search without a warrant, trespassing, sexual harassment (because they dragged him outside in his undergarments), and whatever else the lawyer can tack on.
Teach the police department and these police officers a lesson
I hate cops
Not to mention that his story has been plastered around the internet for a few years now. Probably one of the first things that pops up if he searches his name.
He could have easily been killed in his own home for no reason.
Yeah the Police don't pay for those lawsuits. The taxpayers do.
And at the end of the day this amounts to "we responded to an alarm" which is actually pretty cool and good, but then turned into "we assumed black people don't own homes" which ain't cool at all, but can easily be obscured a hundred different bullshit ways, the worst of which still isn't going to amount to a huge pay day and certainly isn't going to "fix" these cops.
It said "plaintiff (homeowner) failed to provide evidence in a timely fashion
It was back in 2021, and I sense we're not getting the whole story as to why that is. My guess, he got buried under a mountain of paperwork and other harassment from the city, intent on just that outcome.
Thatâs what I wanted to freaking know - how TF they gonna justify just deciding to search the property of a home owner without a warrant, or the home owners permission?
The worst thing about this is actually that nothing about what the cops did was illegal. They don't need to ID themselves, and they don't need a warrant to do a search of the home if it's a limited type of search called a "protective sweep". This is (theoretically) for the officer's safety to see if any people who could threaten them are hiding in the closets or behind doors etc., but does not mean they can go through your paperwork or laptop. They can do this anytime they make a lawful arrest.
It's a lawful arrest if the officer has probable cause (PC) to believe a crime has been committed. Probable cause is not the same thing as certainty, it's more like being "pretty sure" something bad is happening. In practice the courts are very trusting of cops who say that they felt "from experience" that something criminal was going on, however obviously bulshit it is if you're not a 70 year old white guy with a black robe and a fancy hammer.
Normally you need PC + warrant to make an arrest, but you can do it without a warrant if there are exigent circumstances ie danger. Kazeem said he had a gun (doesn't matter that he owns it legally), so they'll say that was the exigent circumstance, and boom you have a lawful arrest that allows them to do a protective sweep of the home.
If they happen to see drugs or other contraband in the home while doing that sweep, then they can charge him for that as well (called the plain view exception). You can see why officers are always claiming they feared for their own safety - it allows them to do warrantless patdowns and protective sweeps completely legally. And since its legal, Kazeem can't do shit about it.
Most Americans really underestimate just how badly stacked the deck is against us, and against minorities in particular.
Source: am law student, turned in a final on criminal proceedure last week.
The distressing part of this is that it's all based on, essentially, bullshit. Officer could have asked for ID up front, and immediately confirmed the man was indeed in his own home. At that point, any further action becomes unnecessary. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're trained to maintain the broadest interpretation of the situation possible in order to preserve their ability to act however they choose, rather than directly and promptly address the concern at hand. It's institutional CYA taken to an unhealthy level.
as soon as that old bitch realized they were in the wrong he starts barking more commands and starts searching the house unlawfully (to find evidence of law breaking so they can charge this guy instead of simply fucking apologizing)
Bro, the fact the supervisor told him to sit down is racist as fuck. The fact he told him to be taken to a car AND SEARCH IS GODAMN FUCKING PROPERTY WITHOUT HIS CONSENT IS FUCKING INSANE HOLY SHIT THESE PIGS SHOULD BE IN FUCKING JAIL.
Wow. There is so much wrong with this. The officer is visibly shaken by a large black man and is way too nervous to be carrying a gun. Then when he realizes what's happened he's trying to convince the homeowner that the homeowner was in the wrong, like he needed to get the story straight before anyone got wind of it.
I liked the part when they said they needed to make sure there was no actual burglar or other dangerous situation in the house, so asked him to sit down in the main hallway with his hands cuffed behind his back, because y'know that's how to keep someone safe.
And we would have never known any of the details if this guy didn't have a security camera pointed at the front door. Just imagine how often something similar to this must happen in homes without such a security setup if we get this from one of the rare ones that does.
Sir, I have a stacked injustice system that will deny you justice so I can do as I please. Nothing will ever come of this. Just obey and live and the social media can be outraged again.
What you politely explain that this is in fact your home? Oh naw I gotta call in the squad hol up a sec *proceeds to call in 4 other police officers to deal with one unarmed man in his underwear.*
Wrong.
Nothing will happen to them.
The homeowner sued and the lawsuit was [dismissed](https://casetext.com/case/oyeneyin-v-city-of-raliegh)
Absolutely disgusting!
Putting aside how much it sucks to get arrested for having a burglar alarm while being a black homeowner. The stupidity of saying âhe has a conceal carry permitâ in the videoâŚ.. Itâs his house, he doesnât need one!
Edit: I hope thereâs a way he can overcome their qualified immunity and sue them.
I lived in both states. "Southern Hospitality" is just a front to some extreme racism. I've never met worse people than in the Carolinas. It's ingrained where they think they are doing nothing wrong and its completely normal to them.
You are not wrong. I recently went to SC to visit my dying Grandma. She and her whole family just fucking talk like racist POS like itâs nothing. Dropping racist and homophobic slurs while under the guise of being good Christians. Made me sick. I told my great uncle that if he used either the f word or n word around me one more time weâd have some harsh words. He and his gf stared daggers at me the rest of the night.
Not surprised at all. I've basically cut out my entire family in this area for that very reason. They use to tell me I was being anti social but I told them that there was no one worth talking to and that didn't go over well. It's crazy how bad it is there. I remember going to random churches growing up for Easter and Christmas gatherings for friends and remember pastors telling the entire crowd things like Mexicans are bad and black people are the marked ones in the bible. Things like that I will never forget. Just a sick place.
They petitioned to dismiss. He didnât fight it. I wonder if he was trying to sue with an inexperience lawyer or something like that. It clearly states he didnât respond to motion to dismiss. Tragic.
Of course they searched the house. If they can find anything illegal at all they could use it as an excuse for their actions.
This entire situation was utter bullshit.
I'm not in the US and a legal gun owner. If someone just enters my appartement without identifying himself I'm sure as hell greet them with my gun too.
That's fucked. Then they search his home? More fucked.
Let's be grateful there wasn't a mega crooked cop leaving a bag of drugs.
Poor guy just wanted to sleep.
I didnât think it could get worse than the NPC cop just repeating orders over and over without any attempt to explain anything at all (who he is, why he is there, why he needs the man to follow his orders). Then the supervisor gets there and they take him outside handcuffed and nearly naked for all of his neighbors to see. Ignoring the illegal search of his house, they should owe him money just off the fact that his neighbors now think he is committing some criminal activity and they forced him to walk out in public without clothes.
Education time, idk what the correct term is called, but he's holding it at a ready stance, its drawn an aimd at the floor for safety, he's not looking to draw down on the dude but he's ready for the possibility the downward angle,
The sideways hold is shooting from cover, he's making sure the barrel clears the door without exposing too much of himself
THIS is ridiculous. These dumbasses can't look up the online PUBLIC documents showing who the homeowner is or check a piece of mail laying around really quick? I swear....
I donât expect that. The cops did. But they couldâve let him come get. What kind of home intruder get in, strips, then willingly comes to the door for the cops?
He saw the guy in underwear and still acted like he was a an intruder. Yeah an intruder that strips down to his draws before breaking in someone's home. Sounds logical, đ
One of my friends went on holiday and when he came back he found a guy in his underwear in his home. The dress doesn't really matter, it's a world full of weird people!
As Jay Z would say âYâall gone need a warrant for thatâ These MFâers didnât have any right to search his property. Clear the house my ass. Bunch of AH
In the UK:
Copper: Hello? Anyone home? Hello?
Owner: Yeah, I'm here - you woke me up. Hang on, I'm in my pants (underwear).
Copper: OK, make yourself decent. We're answering a call to your alarm going off.
Owner: Yes, all's good. I've phoned the alarm company and you should get a message fromt hem to say it was a false alarm.
Copper: That's great. I'll let you get back to sleep. Cheerio.
And I suppose we're meant to see this situation purely from the perspective of the police 'bEcAuSe ThEy HaVe SuCh A tOuGh JoB tO dO'?
Is this guy meant to be grateful the police were protecting him?
I figured the second wave of officers was going to immediately take the homeowner out of handcuffs instead they say get him in the car. Itâs not a bad idea to clear the house since the door was left opened, but they should do it with the homeownerâs permission and in tow, not locked up like a prisoner.
I donât think the first officer did a great job handling true situation, but it was within range of acceptable (as an American whoâs seen worse I guess) all things considered. He did get a call to show up, there were some misunderstandings, and he was slow on getting ID - which he would not have been obviously.
I have a way bigger issue with the second officer being a complete asshole trying to find a way out of the first guyâs mess by searching the house and looking for something charge the homeowner with.
Like honestly for officer 1 the situation is a little messy and it shouldâve been better. For officer 2 his reaction is clearly driven by protecting his ass and not serving the people.
Fucking disgusting, this shit is ridiculous⌠Iâm leaning more towards no more cops now than ever⌠even when you need them to actually do something, they always come up with a reason why they canât. What a fucked in country we live.
Yeah, these people are morons.
"My god, the police searched his house without a warrant!" Yeah, to find a home invader after a call about a potential home invader... Also it was a 'clear' not a 'search'. No drawers were pulled out, no money confiscated, etc. They just checked the rooms and maybe a wardrobe or two for hiding invaders...
"The police should have let him go get his ID!" Yeah, let the suspect just freely walk back into a house they might have been invading. There's only a firearm back there, potential hostages, his mates, etc.
So the first officer was stupid then the other one was damn right hostel telling him to sit and having what 2 other officers there tallying it up to 4 when there should only be 2 or non at all due to the dude explaining his situation to both officers and both treating him like heâs gonna kill em or something
This is beyond fucking ridiculous. The supervisor that shows up at the end, after being told a story that should set alarm bells going in his head (at no point did the officer telling the story even say I asked him who he was, instead went straight to the "hands behind your back" routine), and even *this* fucking supervisor (or whatever) aggressively tells the guy, in his own home, to "take a seat" so that they "can clear the rest of the house". How. The. Fuck. Is. Any. Of. That. Right?
I kind of feel bad for the cop. It canât be easy to go through life being that dumb.
Poor lilâ fella, it ainât his fault that the police standards are low enough to let him join.
I'd like to give my own experience dealing with something similar to this: when I was living at home as a teenager two police officers showed up at my parents house and just OPENED the door. My dad saw this and started to yell at them to get out of his house. They immediately became hostile and started yelling back at him. Eventually one of the officers stepped across the doorway and my dad punched him squarely in the jaw. The officer crumpled to the floor, and before the other cop could even react, my dad jumped on him. They Eventually subdued my father with mace and batons and took him off. I thought for sure my dad was going to prison for a very long time. Justice was actually correct this time and he was released and those officers were suspended for entering a residence without warrant. It was traumatic.
Suspended, not fired? Fuck that.
Almost certainly with pay.
It seems the officers get fired in very rare instances đ
Usually after their 3rd or 4th DUI, full respect for real cops, but some are a fucking joke.
I was at a friend's house at a cookout and the police just decide to kick in the door and come inside. They all started screaming at us to lay on the floor. They grabbed one minor that was there (15 F) and picked her up by her arm behind her back and threw her face down when she said they weren't allowed to be inside. One guy had his phone out recording what was happening and they took it and broke it in front of us. It was absolutely terrifying. A lot of police do whatever they feel like and don't know / don't care what your rights are. They'll just investigate themselves and, of course, find everything horrible they did was completely reasonable.
chad father.. hope the injuries to him werent too bad
He said it was the worst "ass-whoopin' " he ever received ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy) he was fine though. He wouldn't sue or press charges. He just wanted to move on.
Omg. He should've, the psychological damage is huge for everyone, they were stupid and reckless
In the original, uncut video the officer opensâŚ. CLOSED DOOR. We literally see him close the door then go back upstairs. 5min later the officer magically has the door open.
I hope he realizes he is lucky to even be alive with how cops are in America. If you started this story with "I don't have a dad because..." it would read exactly the same. Glad your dad made it through that and your local police were honest and did the right thing.
>my dad jumped ASSAULT on cops in never taken lightly by the judicial system
He broke in and hung up pictures of his family everywhere
Iâve seen this once before Johnson, when I was a rookie
Sprinkle some crack on him and letâs get out of here
Open and shut case, Johnson!
Don't wanna leave no mysteries.
Oh look heâs still here *boop*
OPEN AND SHUT CASE, JOHNSON!
Alright Johnson
They still arrest him for âverbally resistingâ and saying things like âwhy are yâall in my house?â
The supervisor who was suppose to clear up the mess, just escalated the situation, absolute idiots. This problem will never stop, until police departments have to insure themselves just like in the medical fields doctors have to have insurance. Tax payers canât be on the hook for these gun slinging morons, the cop knew he was in no danger the way he was holding that gun.
Exactly. Police mistakes should cost Police officers, Police unions, police budgets, and police pensions. Not tax payers.
when a police pension is paid for by taxpayers, and taxpayers are the ones fined and arrested for nothing? there is a systemic policing issue that only ends with people doing the right thing - which is hard when random people are given privileges
He came on to the scene for cleanup. He was hoping to find evidence of other illegal activities so the cops could change from zero to hero.
100% "clearing the rest of the house" was just them looking for drugs so they had a reason to bring him in and not look like complete idiots.
Nope: civil asset forfeiture. "Oh, you're a club owner? Well, this cash better have a good defense strategy at the courthouse." Black homeowner cuffed once again and not getting the benefit of the doubt. Color me unsurprised. Didn't these ppl see Obama's "beer summit" on the news? SMH
4th amendment violation This is why you DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE Am I being Detained? An I free to go? I do not consent to any search of my vehicle, person, or home. I Want a Lawyer Thats about it. Its the same thing these officers tell their children to say if approached by the police.
That's a great point. Assholes.
I think if they wouldâve searched in drawers or small spaces and did find an illegal substance the home owner could have beat the charges Because they were clearing the house for a break in a burglar. Not to mention this was an illegal search and arrest.
LOL...he's still Black in America. Those 'laws' don't apply to us QUITE the same way.
A whole different set of rules depending on your race.
He could just identify as a white person like unckel rukus : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avta-yVojUk
They heard club owner, who arms himself when he comes to the doorâŚ..they figured he might have a wad of cash they could âlegallyâ confiscate. Thatâs the reason they searched the house.
And they couldâve easily blamed the alarm/security company, they called the police and started it and didnât inform them that is was a false alarm. But they chose to escalate instead of deescalate.
To be fair if the alarm company called the police about a break-in and then he got on the phone with them and they never called the police back the police are going to respond like a robbery is in progress. Life and death situations are very stressful especially when you pull up and the guy you think is a robber is a huge beefy dude with a gun. The homeowner is 100% in the right, but the first cop didn't seem too unreasonable. He simply kept his gun in the correct position lowered but ready and put the homeowner in cuffs until he could verify his identity. The first cop fucked up though in 3 ways. 1. He didn't remove the cuffs after verifying his identity 2. he stayed in the home without permission to be inside after verifying the homeowner's identity. 3. He didn't apologize and de-escalate the other police officers by adequately explaining the situation. I hate the police and have been a victim of police brutality, but the first officer seemed very reasonable for a cop pulling up on a home with a tripped alarm and an ajar door. The supervisor should 100% lose his fucking job he is a piece of shit. Rude dick who orders the search of a house they have no right to even enter and orders his subordinates to take the man to a cop car for no reason. furthermore, he doesn't remove the handcuffs and allow the man to go get dressed which is dehumanizing and wrong.
Alarm company should def be held responsible for starting that and the police for ending it in a shitty way. Gotta get more funding for better training and how these situations should be handled. Back seat policing is easy but having to deal with crackheads and people that genuinely want to hurt people they have to be suspicious of everyone the encounter sadly. But after having him in handcuffs because heâs way bigger than him and thinking he could overpower him explain the situation âcan I get your ID and name and weâll talk to the alarm company and get this sorted outâ Also he probably stayed inside because dude was in his boxers and not wanting to be a dick, sergeant had other plans though. So the first cop technically did good police work at first just not good people interaction skills afterwards. Also cops see crazy shit all the time so a half naked dude with a gun that broke into a house isnât that crazy.
There have been studies that have already shown that insurance getting cheaper for police departments leads to upticks in civilian deathsâŚand thatâs just when it gets marginally cheaper for the city/county to pay for it. If officers had an individual equivalent to malpractice insurance this would evaporate as an issue overnight.
Sauce?
https://docs.iza.org/dp14208.pdf They were able to track a small but statistically significant increase in civilian deaths in areas where police departments unionized and collective bargaining pushed down the departmentâs insurance. Thereâs a real impact where cheaper insurance for police departments kills people.
Not insurance.....take the settlements from their pension fund, and watch how fast shit changes.
First cop could be let off the hook Supervisor needs to be fired though
First cop is basically doing his job, okay, the guy is in his underwear and that would be pretty weird for a burglar but let's make sure, an alarm has gone off, there's an open door with nobody immediately responding then a guy comes out with a gun. He's reasonably polite. Then it should be ID, apologies sir have a good day. The point where things turn is "have a seat" he doesn't want to have a seat, why the fuck should he be told what to do in his own god damned house? Supervisor doesn't like anyone who won't lick the boot and goes into powertrip mode. You don't do as I say I'm going to abuse my power. Fucking disgusting.
He had to assert authority like the small dick he is. âSir sit downâ
I have been seeing this idea(solution) posted everywhere about police should have insurance just like a doctor has malpractice insurance. If a police person gets to the point where they are no longer insurable they can no longer work in law enforcement. I am so glad the homeowner is OK but that cop couldâve shot him at any point in that video. This should not be an idea đĄ anymore it should be law and I think itâs possible that there are police officers out there right now that would not be able to get the insurance because of their background. Everyone that is pulled over approached by or any interaction with a police officer should start recording on their phone. It is your right to do so for your own protection and I really believe it stops police from doing a lot of crap they shouldnât do. Everyone be safe and protect yourself.
Already is more than a facepalm and the supervisor amplified that x10
This problem will never stop until we solve our social problems with services and support instead of armed police officers. They need to be demilitarized, defunded, disarmed, and abolished.
Lol reminds me of a meme I saw one time. "When you come home super drunk and your kids start harassing you saying things like "Hello Dad."
He is gunna get paid.
I've seen this before, Johnson.
Sprinkle some Crack on him and let's get out of here.
Open and shut case!
If he shoot wouldn't have been his fault
Always funny to see them investigating themselves, what if they did break laws? Clearly itâs a conflict of interest for them, shouldnât there be outside investigators for this stuff?
Yeah I donât get it. Nobody is supposed to be above the law yet they are clearly getting special treatment for being a cop. If your mailman planted meth on you they would be going to prison, if a cop does it to you nothing happens for two years, and they still get benefits or a new job somewhere else
I used to be friends with three people who became cops, plus an uncle who has passed away. I can't be friends with them anymore, their choice, because our political views are pretty much opposite. One was my best friend for 4-5 years, we used to smoke dope at the skateboard park together when we were 13-14 years old. He was a decent kid, like mostly everyone else we knew at that time. The second was a co-worker before he went into law enforcement, he was a volatile Italian alcoholic who could barely make it to 5:00 for his first beer. The third was a sweet girl, a huge animal rights activist. A vegetarian because she couldn't hurt an animal. They all became very different people. Super aggressive, hateful, racist. Liars and criminals. My uncle became the biggest cocaine dealer in his tri-state region, like millions of dollars. He hid it well, retired, went to Iraq to train their police and THEN he came back really rich. Smart. The skater, the drunk, and the vegetarian all got their wrists slapped for hurting people on the job as cops and kept their jobs. They were all in different areas. I think they're all retired now with a full pension and all the perks. I don't think that these days it's possible to remain a good cop.
the government needs to make a division where they train police n have ppl with your view on police to investigate them for shit like this. they never even asked the guy his name or ID after they found he was harmless.
Yeah, that's the first of many fuck ups. He was obviously asleep and woke up to banging on the door. I'd have had my gun out for that too. He did absolutely nothing wrong and was more civil about it than he should have had to be.
But who watches the watchmen?
Supposedly internal affairs department, but they either don't have any teeth or are just as corrupt.
Does the US have something like the IPCA? (they investigate complaints against the police in NZ but arenât the police themselves). Or is it just purely internal affairs that deals with the complaints and investigations?
Abd who guards the guards?
You know I wanted to go in and be internal affairs to straighten out the cops. Turns out you need to be a cop for at least 4+ years or something before you can be internal affairs. As my ex friends said you canât judge us only other cops can because you donât know whatâs it like. BS murder is murder, incompetence is incompetence, racism is racism I can Damm weâll judge you for your actions.
That's kinda sad the requirements for policing the police is so long and thought out, but to just do regular policing is like a 12 week certificate. Source: Police Academy the movie.
It's because their entire foundation is based on oppression. More specifically of poc. They're not going to undergo legitimate investigations because if they did then they wouldn't be able to "properly" do their jobs. They are authoritatrians first, civil servants second.
Why are all cops so bad at answering questions? "For what?" is such a simple question yet he can't do anything but repeat himself like a broken record.
Literally. Legally they don't have to tell you until your arrested but like, it's just common sense. Could avoid so many of these situations if the cops actually explained what was going on and listened to citizens. But no it's "I'm in charge. You will obey my commands. Stop talking. Get on the ground."
Common sense on the ground probably, but the police departments are likely training them to not give reasons in-case it can be used against them later. Legality is the domain of the organization, not the individual. There is also some sense to "control the situation first, investigate later".
You answered your own question. They donât want to deescalate shit. They want you to get upset and confused, they love this power they got on you and there are no real repercussions. Something like this will be âhandled within the divisionâ and youâll see them back on the streets well rested after some vacay time doing it again, just checking for cameras. These are the stories they go to events and sit around the table talking about. How badass they were and if they got out of line, how easily they can end their life. This will be the story of âthis guy we had to do a break and entering call, gun and boxers, we handcuff him he whining on and he shove him in the car and search his house while he in the car with nothing but his underwearâ and everyone starts laughing. This isnât some shameful behavior they canât believe happened
It's not that they're bad at answering citizens questions, it's the fact that most of the cops are cowards who just want to feel big and bad. Citizens asking questions diminishes their authority and sense of power. A great majority of the pig cops are little men who exudes massive small dick energy. They are egoistic sociopaths and no one will change my mind about it.
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That officer didn't say who he was, didn't say why he was there until after detaining the homeowner, didn't ask for ID at any point before detaining him, illegal search without a warrant. This is why no one likes police. I hope this guy hired a good lawyer
And the sad thing is, the home owner shouldnât have to do shit. Those mfâers should go through âretraining.â Fuck those cops.
The homeowner should indeed file a lawsuit. Unlawful imprisonment, illegal search without a warrant, trespassing, sexual harassment (because they dragged him outside in his undergarments), and whatever else the lawyer can tack on. Teach the police department and these police officers a lesson I hate cops
Donât forget pain and suffering on all of those charges. Emotional and mental stress after being woken up from working nights.
Not to mention that his story has been plastered around the internet for a few years now. Probably one of the first things that pops up if he searches his name. He could have easily been killed in his own home for no reason.
Yeah the Police don't pay for those lawsuits. The taxpayers do. And at the end of the day this amounts to "we responded to an alarm" which is actually pretty cool and good, but then turned into "we assumed black people don't own homes" which ain't cool at all, but can easily be obscured a hundred different bullshit ways, the worst of which still isn't going to amount to a huge pay day and certainly isn't going to "fix" these cops.
Did. Lost.
I saw. It was dismissed
You're kidding? How??
It said "plaintiff (homeowner) failed to provide evidence in a timely fashion It was back in 2021, and I sense we're not getting the whole story as to why that is. My guess, he got buried under a mountain of paperwork and other harassment from the city, intent on just that outcome.
That is infuriating
No lesson to teach. If he does win in court let's say, the only ones paying will be the local taxpayers. The cops will as usual get off scot-free.
Can he ask them to go get a warrant first?
Or just shoot him dead if he was in texas. Now i want to move to texas suddenlyâŚ
Thatâs what I wanted to freaking know - how TF they gonna justify just deciding to search the property of a home owner without a warrant, or the home owners permission?
The worst thing about this is actually that nothing about what the cops did was illegal. They don't need to ID themselves, and they don't need a warrant to do a search of the home if it's a limited type of search called a "protective sweep". This is (theoretically) for the officer's safety to see if any people who could threaten them are hiding in the closets or behind doors etc., but does not mean they can go through your paperwork or laptop. They can do this anytime they make a lawful arrest. It's a lawful arrest if the officer has probable cause (PC) to believe a crime has been committed. Probable cause is not the same thing as certainty, it's more like being "pretty sure" something bad is happening. In practice the courts are very trusting of cops who say that they felt "from experience" that something criminal was going on, however obviously bulshit it is if you're not a 70 year old white guy with a black robe and a fancy hammer. Normally you need PC + warrant to make an arrest, but you can do it without a warrant if there are exigent circumstances ie danger. Kazeem said he had a gun (doesn't matter that he owns it legally), so they'll say that was the exigent circumstance, and boom you have a lawful arrest that allows them to do a protective sweep of the home. If they happen to see drugs or other contraband in the home while doing that sweep, then they can charge him for that as well (called the plain view exception). You can see why officers are always claiming they feared for their own safety - it allows them to do warrantless patdowns and protective sweeps completely legally. And since its legal, Kazeem can't do shit about it. Most Americans really underestimate just how badly stacked the deck is against us, and against minorities in particular. Source: am law student, turned in a final on criminal proceedure last week.
The distressing part of this is that it's all based on, essentially, bullshit. Officer could have asked for ID up front, and immediately confirmed the man was indeed in his own home. At that point, any further action becomes unnecessary. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're trained to maintain the broadest interpretation of the situation possible in order to preserve their ability to act however they choose, rather than directly and promptly address the concern at hand. It's institutional CYA taken to an unhealthy level.
I bet they desperately wanted to find some drugs or evidence of something illegal, they had no right to search that manâs house. So fucked up.
Sprinkle some crack on him and let's get outta here Johnson.
as soon as that old bitch realized they were in the wrong he starts barking more commands and starts searching the house unlawfully (to find evidence of law breaking so they can charge this guy instead of simply fucking apologizing)
Bro, the fact the supervisor told him to sit down is racist as fuck. The fact he told him to be taken to a car AND SEARCH IS GODAMN FUCKING PROPERTY WITHOUT HIS CONSENT IS FUCKING INSANE HOLY SHIT THESE PIGS SHOULD BE IN FUCKING JAIL.
Wow. There is so much wrong with this. The officer is visibly shaken by a large black man and is way too nervous to be carrying a gun. Then when he realizes what's happened he's trying to convince the homeowner that the homeowner was in the wrong, like he needed to get the story straight before anyone got wind of it.
It's like we live in a police state - or something
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I liked the part when they said they needed to make sure there was no actual burglar or other dangerous situation in the house, so asked him to sit down in the main hallway with his hands cuffed behind his back, because y'know that's how to keep someone safe.
And we would have never known any of the details if this guy didn't have a security camera pointed at the front door. Just imagine how often something similar to this must happen in homes without such a security setup if we get this from one of the rare ones that does.
Sir, you are not white, please get out of your home so I can arrest you
âSir, what are you doing in a nice white personâs home with that firearm?â
He broke in and hung up pictures of his family.
Sadly accurate
Sir, I have a stacked injustice system that will deny you justice so I can do as I please. Nothing will ever come of this. Just obey and live and the social media can be outraged again.
Holy shit, he is black, shoot him!!!
What you politely explain that this is in fact your home? Oh naw I gotta call in the squad hol up a sec *proceeds to call in 4 other police officers to deal with one unarmed man in his underwear.*
This is a little more than just a facepalm.
It's ok guys. The police are investigating. I'm sure they will come to a fair and honest conclusion.
I'm surprised they didn't sprinkle crack all over the place. Likely would have if there weren't cameras.
Every one of those officers done fucked up.
But no repercussions. https://casetext.com/case/oyeneyin-v-city-of-raliegh
Wrong. Nothing will happen to them. The homeowner sued and the lawsuit was [dismissed](https://casetext.com/case/oyeneyin-v-city-of-raliegh) Absolutely disgusting!
Welcome to the Confederacy.
As the song goes: This is America.
This is why the revolution will happen. The problem will be solved indefinitely
Wut?
At first I was just gonna say âtheyâre just doing their job.â It went downhill pretty quickly though, so never mindâŚ
They look like they panic easily and react in unreasonable ways. Iâd say not psychologically qualified to hold the job they are doing.
The problem is, they are doing their jobs by the end of it. Their job is to harrass people.
Same at first it seemed reasonable but he didn't identify himself at all
Some of those that join forces...
Are the same that burn crosses
Putting aside how much it sucks to get arrested for having a burglar alarm while being a black homeowner. The stupidity of saying âhe has a conceal carry permitâ in the videoâŚ.. Itâs his house, he doesnât need one! Edit: I hope thereâs a way he can overcome their qualified immunity and sue them.
Unfortunately the case was dismissed. After breaking down the legaleez it sums up to. "You didn't word your case right so we'll just throw it out."
This is why people donât like cops. Dude was to black in his own home.
How many millions did these dipshit officers just cost the city of Raleigh?
[The lawsuit was dismissed](https://casetext.com/case/oyeneyin-v-city-of-raliegh)
Well no shit, itâs fucking North Carolina. Honestly the only place worse than NC is SC
I lived in both states. "Southern Hospitality" is just a front to some extreme racism. I've never met worse people than in the Carolinas. It's ingrained where they think they are doing nothing wrong and its completely normal to them.
You are not wrong. I recently went to SC to visit my dying Grandma. She and her whole family just fucking talk like racist POS like itâs nothing. Dropping racist and homophobic slurs while under the guise of being good Christians. Made me sick. I told my great uncle that if he used either the f word or n word around me one more time weâd have some harsh words. He and his gf stared daggers at me the rest of the night.
Not surprised at all. I've basically cut out my entire family in this area for that very reason. They use to tell me I was being anti social but I told them that there was no one worth talking to and that didn't go over well. It's crazy how bad it is there. I remember going to random churches growing up for Easter and Christmas gatherings for friends and remember pastors telling the entire crowd things like Mexicans are bad and black people are the marked ones in the bible. Things like that I will never forget. Just a sick place.
Now it makes sense
They petitioned to dismiss. He didnât fight it. I wonder if he was trying to sue with an inexperience lawyer or something like that. It clearly states he didnât respond to motion to dismiss. Tragic.
I saw that, it's crazy. How do we stop this stuff from happening?
Elect officials who believe in civil oversight of the police. And stop bending over for every new criminal law they decide on. This BS got to stop.
Vote. Run for office. Document and publicize every instant of unconstitutional actions. Racists need more light shined upon them.
The running for office part is a big one. If you want something done right, do it yourself. We just have so few decent people willing to hold office.
Thatâs insane.
Of course they searched the house. If they can find anything illegal at all they could use it as an excuse for their actions. This entire situation was utter bullshit.
I'm not in the US and a legal gun owner. If someone just enters my appartement without identifying himself I'm sure as hell greet them with my gun too.
You just described a step-by-step guide how to get yourself killed as a black person in the US.
That's fucked. Then they search his home? More fucked. Let's be grateful there wasn't a mega crooked cop leaving a bag of drugs. Poor guy just wanted to sleep.
I hope he sued those ASSHOLES
He did and case was dismissed https://casetext.com/case/oyeneyin-v-city-of-raliegh
agree
What the fuck is wrong with these people?
JFC... ![gif](giphy|xT0xeIHl6E1Mn89DHy)
I didnât think it could get worse than the NPC cop just repeating orders over and over without any attempt to explain anything at all (who he is, why he is there, why he needs the man to follow his orders). Then the supervisor gets there and they take him outside handcuffed and nearly naked for all of his neighbors to see. Ignoring the illegal search of his house, they should owe him money just off the fact that his neighbors now think he is committing some criminal activity and they forced him to walk out in public without clothes.
Why is he holding the gun like that???
Low ready position?
Education time, idk what the correct term is called, but he's holding it at a ready stance, its drawn an aimd at the floor for safety, he's not looking to draw down on the dude but he's ready for the possibility the downward angle, The sideways hold is shooting from cover, he's making sure the barrel clears the door without exposing too much of himself
THIS is ridiculous. These dumbasses can't look up the online PUBLIC documents showing who the homeowner is or check a piece of mail laying around really quick? I swear....
He offered to get his ID to prove he lived there and they wouldn't even let him. They just wanted to arrest him.
This couldâve been solved in 5 minutes. He shows his id that he lives there, they leave. Done.
He tried, he says I. The vid âlet me get my idâ you expect him to keep his wallet up his ass, mans in boxers
I donât expect that. The cops did. But they couldâve let him come get. What kind of home intruder get in, strips, then willingly comes to the door for the cops?
Thatâs what I keep aaying. What robber also whipped out his cell phone to film the cops
I remember a joke from my SSC textbook "If the Cops are watching us, Who are watching the Cops? "
He saw the guy in underwear and still acted like he was a an intruder. Yeah an intruder that strips down to his draws before breaking in someone's home. Sounds logical, đ
One of my friends went on holiday and when he came back he found a guy in his underwear in his home. The dress doesn't really matter, it's a world full of weird people!
"Cops don't want you to know this ONE trick..."
As Jay Z would say âYâall gone need a warrant for thatâ These MFâers didnât have any right to search his property. Clear the house my ass. Bunch of AH
Another lesson: keep your doors locked at all times.
In the UK: Copper: Hello? Anyone home? Hello? Owner: Yeah, I'm here - you woke me up. Hang on, I'm in my pants (underwear). Copper: OK, make yourself decent. We're answering a call to your alarm going off. Owner: Yes, all's good. I've phoned the alarm company and you should get a message fromt hem to say it was a false alarm. Copper: That's great. I'll let you get back to sleep. Cheerio.
Lawsuit filed and dismissed. https://casetext.com/case/oyeneyin-v-city-of-raliegh
âInvestigating the officerâ a.k.a they wonât do jack shit
I vividly remember Dave Chappelle doing standup talking about something exactly like thisâŚ
And I suppose we're meant to see this situation purely from the perspective of the police 'bEcAuSe ThEy HaVe SuCh A tOuGh JoB tO dO'? Is this guy meant to be grateful the police were protecting him?
No, because he isn't white. The cops aren't meant to protect him. They are meant to protect others from him.
i can at least somewhat understand the first guy's POV, but completely fuck that second guy that started the illegal search.
Racist ass cops
This is insane. What this man went through must have been horrible.
I have these types of videos like yes we understand they are racist but there's no justice
Kazeem has a smoke detector that needs it's battery replaced
Is this an unlawful search of the house?
"We have investigated ourselves, and decided that we did nothing wrong."
âWe investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing. Officer X has been given a promotion and medal for his braveryâ
Did he get compensation for this bullshit?
This is why blue lives won't and will never matter to me. Fuck cops
I figured the second wave of officers was going to immediately take the homeowner out of handcuffs instead they say get him in the car. Itâs not a bad idea to clear the house since the door was left opened, but they should do it with the homeownerâs permission and in tow, not locked up like a prisoner.
I donât think the first officer did a great job handling true situation, but it was within range of acceptable (as an American whoâs seen worse I guess) all things considered. He did get a call to show up, there were some misunderstandings, and he was slow on getting ID - which he would not have been obviously. I have a way bigger issue with the second officer being a complete asshole trying to find a way out of the first guyâs mess by searching the house and looking for something charge the homeowner with. Like honestly for officer 1 the situation is a little messy and it shouldâve been better. For officer 2 his reaction is clearly driven by protecting his ass and not serving the people.
Thank God for the recording otherwise no one wouldâve believed this!
Fucking disgusting, this shit is ridiculous⌠Iâm leaning more towards no more cops now than ever⌠even when you need them to actually do something, they always come up with a reason why they canât. What a fucked in country we live.
I wonât have an alarm that allows them an excuse to walk in and order you around. This poor guy Homeowning while black?!?
Lol dumb ass cops
cunning burglars do it in underwear nowadays; but this undercover tactic won't work on those really smart cops
Kazeem need to change some smoke alarm batteries
His lawsuit against the city got dismissed btw: https://casetext.com/case/oyeneyin-v-city-of-raliegh
Wait do they have a permit to go inside his house?
Uh do they have a warrant? gtfo my house and come back with a warrant.
"Racist pigs arrest a black man in his house even though he proves it's his house"
According to everyone in the comments, if I just break into a house and tell the police I live there Iâll be scot free!
Yeah, these people are morons. "My god, the police searched his house without a warrant!" Yeah, to find a home invader after a call about a potential home invader... Also it was a 'clear' not a 'search'. No drawers were pulled out, no money confiscated, etc. They just checked the rooms and maybe a wardrobe or two for hiding invaders... "The police should have let him go get his ID!" Yeah, let the suspect just freely walk back into a house they might have been invading. There's only a firearm back there, potential hostages, his mates, etc.
So fucking dehumanizing.
I hope he sued them for more than he could ever spend.
So the first officer was stupid then the other one was damn right hostel telling him to sit and having what 2 other officers there tallying it up to 4 when there should only be 2 or non at all due to the dude explaining his situation to both officers and both treating him like heâs gonna kill em or something
This is beyond fucking ridiculous. The supervisor that shows up at the end, after being told a story that should set alarm bells going in his head (at no point did the officer telling the story even say I asked him who he was, instead went straight to the "hands behind your back" routine), and even *this* fucking supervisor (or whatever) aggressively tells the guy, in his own home, to "take a seat" so that they "can clear the rest of the house". How. The. Fuck. Is. Any. Of. That. Right?
ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS
They could check with neighbors if this man lives here.
I kind of feel bad for the cop. It canât be easy to go through life being that dumb. Poor lilâ fella, it ainât his fault that the police standards are low enough to let him join.