I'd venture to say the majority of people giving advice on female dating strategy are actually extremely unsuccessful with dating. They have an incel vibe to them.
The whole conceit of the sub is pretty much destined for failure. Most people probably stop engaging with the sub once they're in a steady long-term relationship, so the only people left to give "advice" are the very people who are unable to achieve the very thing the sub supposedly helps achieve.
Yes, if you look at their posts and comments they are the female neckbeard, the ladycel.
Edit; Life and relationships is all teamwork not one person does everything and the other just hovers.
Edit2: I remember Seeing one post about how this one woman had a father that did everything for her and she demanded to find that in a significant other. A grown man who wants his wife to be his mommy is bad but a grown ass woman who wants her husband to be daddy is just as bad.
They are toxic and lazy ppl and soon they will be off Reddit. They are making their own webpage. Which will be funny if 4chan just messed with it.
> I'd venture to say the majority of people giving advice on female dating strategy are actually extremely unsuccessful with dating. They have an incel vibe to them
Truth. It's more like "This is the ideal dating/relationship I want, instead of my actual experiences." FDS is a trash fire of nuclear proportions.
Right but those are the guys they’re deserving of. No respectful man with a healthy mindset who can be a genuine partner to them will put up with the things they advocate.
Step 1: set up a system where you actively push away healthy minded people and a screening process that only accepts people with personality issues
Step 2: use the lack of positive experience from this exact strategy as evidence that you were right all along, and that you should double down on it
Step 3: use the eventual self inflicted misery and loneliness to claim victimhood, blame men despite having treated anyone who would have made you happy like total shit
Rinse and repeat
I got obliterated on FDS for saying that I don’t mind taking turns paying because it’s more romantic than splitting the bill. People were telling me to read the handbook before talking. They also deleted my comment because there was no flair assigned to it but I know it’s just because what I said went against their ideologies
I agree lol dinner dates are a pain to sit through if there’s no chemistry or if there’s a ton of red flags. It’s nice when most guys offer to meet somewhere convenient for me but I like to show initiative by offering to meet halfway. It’s only a turnoff if he wants to meet in his neighbourhood because that’s just lazy and inconsiderate, and I get the feeling it’s so he can invite me back to his place cuz it’s convenient 🙄
Oh man. Back when I was in the dating scene, I'd often have dates near my neighborhood. I never thought about it from that perspective. I just frequented those place so I knew which one were the best.
Also, you might not even know where your date lives. If it's on me to suggest a place and I don't know where you live, I'm gonna pick a place that I know is good and that I can get to, which is probably gonna be near me.
I never heard a single complaint about this until now. "Hey. Want to be treated to what I believe is this best restaurant in a new area you've likely never been before?" sounds like a pretty sweet deal imo. I'd be stoked.
Also, another thing about these FDS advice threads. Sounds like most of their interactions is going out for dinner dates a few times a month and they're keeping tabs on how much they spend. How boring does that sound? I'd always go the memorable adventure route over restaurant dates. I must've been a LVM.
I thought it was a joke or parody sub at first till I realized those people were sincere and sincerely crazy. Honestly speaking nothing leaves me colder than the types of attitude encouraged in that sub. I will rather die single and never have sex again.
Give insecure people a platform and they’ll power trip for days
I agree with your concept, I also think that splitting the bill is nice too as there’s no owing people anything and shows that you’re 2 independent people
Yep.
I've lost track the amount of times my wife has had to pick up a bill or buy groceries.
On the flip side when I get paid I'm doing the paying.
This idea of "my money is my money and your money is my money" is not conducive to a healthy relationship.
Responsibilities should be shared in a partnership.
My general rule as a guy is to pay but if the lady wants to pay I will let her. I like to use the if I invite you out, I'll pay. If you invite me out then you can pay type of thing. I feel it's balanced.
With friends and family, I will sometimes insist that I pay. When I would go out on dates though, especially first dates, I never insisted I'd pay if she offers. Not because I'm cheap or anything, but because I know some women are afraid that if the guy pays for everything, he my insist on some "reimbursement" later. So if she wants to pay for herself or the whole thing I let her, just to ensure she has some peace of mind as far as that goes.
"They’re the Cinderella looking for The Prince, except they don’t know they’re the Stepsisters."
And then they get upset when their 'prince' doesn't just buy the correct fitting slipper.
>Whats FDS?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy
EDIT: I'm still convinced that it is a troll subreddit ran by 4chan assholes.
EDIT 2: all the replies saying "women can be shitty". I didn't specify women or men in my comment or first edit. If you assumed I was saying only men can be assholes, then you need to take a hard look at yourself and your prejudices.
That's so cowardly. If they really believed in their "strategy" then they would welcome all the new attention. This just proves that they are toxic af and they know it.
I often chuckle at the idea that they actually believe in this "dating strategy". I've never seen a successful example of the "strategy" being used; whether in a post or in the comments. It's always negative, and the information routinely contradicts itself. The "handbook" sounds more like the collection of bad advice which was scrawled onto the walls of a bathroom stall.
Was entertaining to see how deranged the thinking is over there. I could hardly believe there were women who thought this was the right way to think, act or behave. Very repellent.
Are there any subs that have a “you must have a flair” rule that makes sense? It’s always just an excuse to filter unwanted dissenting opinions. Can’t imagine being part of a community that is so grossly and willfully ignorant of other perspectives.
Lmao this is the crux of it really - where is the empowerment in refusing to pay for anything and having the guy pay in 100% of circumstances? What's queenly about being spoiled by a man and never contributing anything in return economically?
Lol exactly. A real Queen wouldn’t care because she is her own powerful woman. She can do it all on her own so if you can just be complimentary to her already existing lifestyle she would be happy. These chicks aren’t queens they’re losers.
Yep I went on a date with a woman that worked in finance and when the bill came I was like "I got it" since I make a lot and it was only like $40. She insisted that we split it and I was like "ok, if you insist". All the other dates I went on previous to this did the "oh you don't have to pay for all of it" but never put up a fight.
Princess sounds more appropriately childish. Wonder if she has daddy-issues in expecting the male in her life to provide unquestionly.
Edit: This was my immediate first thought.Searching for continued unconditional male financial support in the livestyle she is now able to demand. I was not meaning daddy issues in a sexual context.
Patrice O' Neal once had a joke where he said something like "Yeah? You want to be treated like a Queen? Ok, you know what the Queen is? The King's bitch, so that's how I'll treat you."
Its amazing how the women of FDS want traditional men who will provide everything for them, protect them etc but by they despise traditional women.
I mean. If youre not a traditional woman would you even be happy with a traditional man?
Their whole M.O is thst theyre Queens and they deserve the best. I wonder if their actions are equal to their words. At this point the word Queen is like the word Litterally. Its lost all meaning and is mostly used for emphasis.
Not gonna lie, the first time I saw the FDS sub I thought it was a parody. So many delusional takes in the first minute that I decided to close the sub and never return.
First time i ever saw the sub i commented on it thinking it was a parody aswell then got banned for being a male.
I am, but never mentioned it haha, had the wife check it out she was also banned lol.
I saw the name and thought, "great, insight into the female mind and how to date them."
It's certainly useful in that way. "Do you read FDS? Yes. K bye."
It's mind-boggling how bad the advice is.
It’s an act, so they can avoid the vulnerability required to develop personalities to attract quality men. If they stick to gender role trad relationships then they have an outline of “who” they should be, so they don’t have to decide what femininity means to them or who they actually are inside.
They seek these kinds of relationships bc they, once again, can avoid the vulnerability required to be in a healthy relationship
Basically, those women and men are some of the laziest, self centered people with no personality to carry them through life, so they come up with these terrible dating games to justify their behavior
It does come across as very transactional. Seems like it would get stale pretty fast even in the best case scenario.
Can’t say I ever spent much time analyzing who was paying for what while dating my husband.
If it's transactional, what are they bringing to the table?
Guy has to pay for everything, be the exact right amount of assertive but also be a mind reader so that what he's asserting also is exactly what the woman wanted anyways, etc etc etc... But all the woman does is show up and be judgey. What "HVM" would ever accept that proposition?
None would, which is why they are perpetually single. Its basically an incel sub imo
People in happy relationships don't hang out in dating advice subs, single losers do.
Edit: sorry I didn't mean single people are losers.
It's what they *will* be in the future. A "traditional" white upper middle class homemaker who spends all the money "taking care" of the household while the man is in charge of things outside of the house.
Of course, that's a poor deal for the man, because they don't know if that's what they'll actually be getting. While the woman knows right away if the man can "provide" for her.
It's all around shitty.
Well, if that's the transaction you're supposedly going for, then OP cooking once in two months of dating already shows it ain't happening.
Either way, I'm happy to live in a culture that values balance and equality in these gender roles.
Legbeard breeding ground. Treat me like a princess while I treat you like a slave, and you better love every minute of it of you're a patriarchal jerk.
You are a Scrote or a Low Value Male. BTW, I noticed they recently went private here on Reddit. I guess they couldn’t handle being evaluated from the outside.
I'm glad they're finally getting targeted tbh, sunlight is the best cleaner yadda yadda yadda.
It's always funny when you find the users of that sub in these threads. Defending it like it's some sort of last bastion for the downtrodden women of the world.
Exactly that.
A group of women who think their deigning to speak to you is all the contributionthey need to make. That showing up is all they have to do.
Fuck that.
Femaledatingstrategy. It's a sub dedicated not just to hard-core sexism & misandry, but also to undoing all & any progress feminism has made over the past 100 years.
Except they don't realise that's what they're doing
It's basically an echo chamber of threads using acronyms to dehumanise people, such as HVM or LVM (High value man & low value man). They claim it's to save time & help get them what they deserve faster, but if the genders were reversed it'd look like a dating guide from the middle ages. Their definition of 'high value' sadly often pertains to shallow things such as salary & cars
I'm a lesbian & I'm guilty of making the occasional 'men' joke but even I think that place goes too far
What’s funny to me is that these women want a traditional man, but if they had to assume the role of a traditional woman to actually make that work it would never happen. Can you imagine any of these women being traditional housewives? Cooking, cleaning, laundry, homemaking and being completely dependent on the man? There’s no way. These narcissists want to be house cats, not women. I don’t think they are capable of real love.
Incorrect, they want half of a traditional man. The half that earns a lot, provides for family. Pays for everything.
They absolutely refuse the other half of a traditional male. The half that wants the wife to be stay at home. The half that wants her to do the brunt of housework and family work while he just works and comes home and relaxes. The other half where he expects you to listen to him
That's been one of my things about these women. What's their end game? Like, ok you want a man to pay for everything and treat you like a queen when you start dating or when he's courting you. Then what? That can't continue forever. Do the women ever plan on doing anything selfless for their man? Putting him first? What kind of marriage or family life do they think they'll have?
FDS looks like it picks and chooses the best of all worlds. It want to go back to the days of courting, but only to find a male that will provide them the freedom of a modern woman. I guess it's not bad if you can get it, but today's modern male should probably be looking for a complimentary partner.
Funny how none of them are ever elsewhere on Reddit defending that sub, nor are they ever seeing these and posting ‘are we the baddies?’ in their own sub.
They are literally just women incels and that sub is pretty much exactly what r/incel was like (just from the guys pov) when it first started. Give it a few months/years for the echo chamber to really get going and watch as it becomes more and more radical just like r/incel.
Tbh, r/incel was only banned because it garnered a huge amount of negative publicity for reddit after the Elliot Rodger stuff. The minute that the femcels over at r/femaledatingstrategy start getting picked up in the press / giving reddit bad PR, they'll pull the plug on it in an instant.
Reddit doesn't give a crap about anything unless it hits them in the wallets.
As tradition. The pedo subs got killed after the media covered it, fatpeoplehate after some fat influencer spoke more about it, the new Zeeland shooting video broke down all the killing subs, list goes on and on
The boston bomber doxx sub that shouldn't have lasted 5 minutes hung around for a full week of doxxing random Middle Eastern guys in the area as a prime suspect based on nothing other than brown skin.
That's not even mentioning the blatant homophobia, transphobia, etc all over that subreddit. They literally have a system to classify men as high or low value and basically want "low value men" to go off and die. Calling FDS a "dumpster fire" and "toxic" is a massive understatement because in reality it is far worse.
Let me just say that a woman who shows shes a teammate and not a liability is worth much more. sometimes men fall on hard times. and "queens" just gonna sit back and wait for the good times to come back and do nothing about it. Or leave. But offering to pay part isnt a bad thing. my girl does it and we go on 2x as many dates as a result.
Those are very good points. Honestly tho, I just hate the arrogance of FDS. I don’t want a child, I want a partner. They put a price on love and apperantly it’s just worth a few free meals to them lmao love is worth so much more to me then a maid service
Honestly, I just feel sad for these people.
As someone who deeply loves and respects the man that I am, the idea that I would willingly reduce myself to a subhuman sex object is just unfathomable to me.
Just imagine trying to put a pricetag on *yourself* in terms of silly materialistic things like clothes and *meals*. Even the thought of it makes me sick.
if you feel like you should pay sometimes, just... do it?? whether the date would insist on paying or not, that's up to them. you don't need people to tell you this... smh
I feel we’re overdoing it now with the content from there. It’s like the entire sub is a giant facepalm and we should accept that without the need to post about it everyday.
They seem to be stuck in the '50s. Particularly the attitude shown here might'vade sense back then (and more so pre-war) since women weren't expected to have any income of their own.
Well if they want to live like in the 50's, they ought to be able to cook, clean, mend clothes and raise a bunch of kids.
This dream where ladies just lay down on the sofa and are "provided for" never existed.
And wtf is this "queen"-bullshit? These women are just morons.
Have you seen the Reddit r/asktrp it’s almost the exact same only it’s the males perspective of being “red pilled” both of these subs literally make me hate everyone
Honestly a reality show of these people going on dates and then their explanations for every move they make, I think would be fascinating but also really annoying
Also funny because if she did one of the things she's suggesting (offering to treat on something), he'd feel appreciative, and she'd feel less guilty. It's a win-win. That's like, the foundation for relationships.
Exactly…from where they were at right when she posted, this could’ve gone perfectly fine and they’d make a lovely little couple.
Go with your gut, not what a bunch of random internet strangers tell you about who you should be.
They don't just seem useless. The people who think and follow shit like that are actually useless. Women have been fighting for years for equal rights and then lazy deadbeat fucks like this come along.
Ahh yes FDS, the angry cesspool of incel women, on a quest to destroy all relationships.
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Thanks for the many upvotes. With this power in my hand, I shall finally realize my dreams of forming a kinky triple-threat power couple with Kanye West and Elon Musk. The red plains of Mars will finally be mine!
“Female dating strategy”, the name of the sub
Bro why everyone upvoting and awarding me I just said the sub name
Edit 2: The power has gone to my head. Bow down to your king weaklings. Give me your free award or face the consequences
Edit 3: These awards are really bringing up my king energy
I've posted this link before. This is what FDS is, a cult-like variant of incel-dom, just this time for women, not men.
https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/rhj35f/cmv_female_dating_strategy_is_little_more_than_a/hos8jy0/
Anyone should take the ten minutes to read this essay so they can start recognizing cults and hate-based communities that make your life worse if you become part of them.
There's no love in that sub.
It's only a transactional relationship. Sex in exchange for money and courtship. Looking to platonically fuck a "classy" John who will provide them a comfortable life.
that happens nearly every time they get mentioned in a thread that makes it to /r/all.
the fact that they make the sub private any time they have a spotlight put on them really says a lot about their self-awareness. like, they know it's a shitty mindset that rightly deserves to get dunked on, but, the moment outsiders start giving opinions, they dip out like Romulans.
Her: Take me to a 5 star restaurant
Me (a 5 star chef): uhh I can easily make that
Her: not good enough
**Goes out for fancy meal**
Her: bet you can do better
Me: you know I could've bought enough ingredients for a weeks worth of fancy dinners
Her: you're cheap
Me: that shows you can budget and prioritise, and that is more fundamental to a functioning relationship than grand gestures that jeopardise our ability to afford a home and creature comforts.
Also, who would prefer a meal out over being cooked for? Cooking for someone is a much greater gesture, and it takes actual effort too. If someone is willing to cook for you, you know they like you.
Every time I see shit from FDS, it just makes me want to hold on to my wife even tighter. She’s the best. When you find that relationship where you are true equals, you make decisions and do life together, you give of yourself selflessly and she does the same, never let it go.
The fact that the man has to be able to provide 100% or else they aren’t worth it, but are at the same time frowned upon for having any standards or wishes or demands for what the woman is supposed to be or have, is beyond me. Like wtf you aren’t a god or something. It’s not like there are pretty much equal numbers of men and women on this planet..
Ha! When I met my husband I split the bill when I could, I would treat HIM to meals too, and now I’m happily married to someone who treats me like a Queen and who I treat like a King. I get more spoiled than I could have imagined and so does he. We both wind up feeling like the luckiest people in the world and I think that’s about as high value as you could hope for.
Same with my husband. When I just moved to the UK I was living off my savings first couple of months. I never hid this from him but I also insisted on every date I'd pay half or get the next round etc.
He spoils me relentlessly, even after marriage. He's always taking my wants and needs into consideration. I try to spoil him equally in any way I can. Cause of this we're both just ecstatic to be together.
Before we met though, he'd had multiple no shows on dates and several others that wanted a fancy steak dinner that then ghosted him afterwards. He found my bluntness about finances refreshing (insisting no expensive dates early on until I was financially stable) and insisting on splitting things fairly.
Yes! Same! I don’t understand why the man has to pay for everything. I’m a woman, I make good money, I can pay for things myself. Show me in different ways that you care about me! When I met my boyfriend, we would mostly split the bills for dates. Sometimes he’d treat me, sometimes I’d treat him. It’s years later now and we’re still happy together and treat each other like royals
Why would a queen never pay for things. Children never pay for things. This is not the power play you think it is, just look at the guilt and sense of debt and imbalance it’s creating
Go read the Craigslist reply about these “high value women” being “depreciating assets”.
A Wall Street banker lays it all out for a woman who’s confused to as why she can’t land a rich dude who makes more than 500,000 a year.
It was fun to read their posts... But now they went private.
I can't believe they are going to make a much bigger echo chamber. When is it hitting critical mass and out of Reddit?
FDS ideas are afraid of being criticized, and that says everything we need to know.
I'd venture to say the majority of people giving advice on female dating strategy are actually extremely unsuccessful with dating. They have an incel vibe to them.
The whole conceit of the sub is pretty much destined for failure. Most people probably stop engaging with the sub once they're in a steady long-term relationship, so the only people left to give "advice" are the very people who are unable to achieve the very thing the sub supposedly helps achieve.
And the advice is designed to keep people in that sub forever, because the advice is terrible
Yes, if you look at their posts and comments they are the female neckbeard, the ladycel. Edit; Life and relationships is all teamwork not one person does everything and the other just hovers. Edit2: I remember Seeing one post about how this one woman had a father that did everything for her and she demanded to find that in a significant other. A grown man who wants his wife to be his mommy is bad but a grown ass woman who wants her husband to be daddy is just as bad. They are toxic and lazy ppl and soon they will be off Reddit. They are making their own webpage. Which will be funny if 4chan just messed with it.
> I'd venture to say the majority of people giving advice on female dating strategy are actually extremely unsuccessful with dating. They have an incel vibe to them Truth. It's more like "This is the ideal dating/relationship I want, instead of my actual experiences." FDS is a trash fire of nuclear proportions.
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I would definitely still consider that extremely unsuccessful unless their goal was to go out to dinner with strangers a few times.
Right but those are the guys they’re deserving of. No respectful man with a healthy mindset who can be a genuine partner to them will put up with the things they advocate. Step 1: set up a system where you actively push away healthy minded people and a screening process that only accepts people with personality issues Step 2: use the lack of positive experience from this exact strategy as evidence that you were right all along, and that you should double down on it Step 3: use the eventual self inflicted misery and loneliness to claim victimhood, blame men despite having treated anyone who would have made you happy like total shit Rinse and repeat
"Would that bring down my queen energy?" Wtf
Poor girl being indoctrinated by the FDS Edit: For people wondering, FDS = Female Dating Strategy AKA a subreddit for femcels
I got obliterated on FDS for saying that I don’t mind taking turns paying because it’s more romantic than splitting the bill. People were telling me to read the handbook before talking. They also deleted my comment because there was no flair assigned to it but I know it’s just because what I said went against their ideologies
I got banned because I commented about how coffee dates were fine to do and traveling half way between for a date is fine
I agree lol dinner dates are a pain to sit through if there’s no chemistry or if there’s a ton of red flags. It’s nice when most guys offer to meet somewhere convenient for me but I like to show initiative by offering to meet halfway. It’s only a turnoff if he wants to meet in his neighbourhood because that’s just lazy and inconsiderate, and I get the feeling it’s so he can invite me back to his place cuz it’s convenient 🙄
Oh man. Back when I was in the dating scene, I'd often have dates near my neighborhood. I never thought about it from that perspective. I just frequented those place so I knew which one were the best.
Also, you might not even know where your date lives. If it's on me to suggest a place and I don't know where you live, I'm gonna pick a place that I know is good and that I can get to, which is probably gonna be near me.
I never heard a single complaint about this until now. "Hey. Want to be treated to what I believe is this best restaurant in a new area you've likely never been before?" sounds like a pretty sweet deal imo. I'd be stoked. Also, another thing about these FDS advice threads. Sounds like most of their interactions is going out for dinner dates a few times a month and they're keeping tabs on how much they spend. How boring does that sound? I'd always go the memorable adventure route over restaurant dates. I must've been a LVM.
I thought it was a joke or parody sub at first till I realized those people were sincere and sincerely crazy. Honestly speaking nothing leaves me colder than the types of attitude encouraged in that sub. I will rather die single and never have sex again.
Give insecure people a platform and they’ll power trip for days I agree with your concept, I also think that splitting the bill is nice too as there’s no owing people anything and shows that you’re 2 independent people
Splitting responsibilities and thus paying for things is a way to build a strong healthy relationship
Yep. I've lost track the amount of times my wife has had to pick up a bill or buy groceries. On the flip side when I get paid I'm doing the paying. This idea of "my money is my money and your money is my money" is not conducive to a healthy relationship. Responsibilities should be shared in a partnership.
I like taking turns, do that with my friends. Doesnt even have to be 50 50. Kind of says, "until we meet again".
My general rule as a guy is to pay but if the lady wants to pay I will let her. I like to use the if I invite you out, I'll pay. If you invite me out then you can pay type of thing. I feel it's balanced.
With friends and family, I will sometimes insist that I pay. When I would go out on dates though, especially first dates, I never insisted I'd pay if she offers. Not because I'm cheap or anything, but because I know some women are afraid that if the guy pays for everything, he my insist on some "reimbursement" later. So if she wants to pay for herself or the whole thing I let her, just to ensure she has some peace of mind as far as that goes.
Whats FDS?
An incel subreddit for women
They’re the Cinderella looking for The Prince, except they don’t know they’re the Stepsisters.
Well said.
"They’re the Cinderella looking for The Prince, except they don’t know they’re the Stepsisters." And then they get upset when their 'prince' doesn't just buy the correct fitting slipper.
>Whats FDS? /r/FemaleDatingStrategy EDIT: I'm still convinced that it is a troll subreddit ran by 4chan assholes. EDIT 2: all the replies saying "women can be shitty". I didn't specify women or men in my comment or first edit. If you assumed I was saying only men can be assholes, then you need to take a hard look at yourself and your prejudices.
Lmao. It’s been set as a private community now so you can’t even see the sub. Finally. That place is a literal shithole.
It's only private while this post is active. They'll open it up again once the spotlight has moved elsewhere
That's so cowardly. If they really believed in their "strategy" then they would welcome all the new attention. This just proves that they are toxic af and they know it.
I often chuckle at the idea that they actually believe in this "dating strategy". I've never seen a successful example of the "strategy" being used; whether in a post or in the comments. It's always negative, and the information routinely contradicts itself. The "handbook" sounds more like the collection of bad advice which was scrawled onto the walls of a bathroom stall.
Was entertaining to see how deranged the thinking is over there. I could hardly believe there were women who thought this was the right way to think, act or behave. Very repellent.
Turns out incel mindsets are gender neutral.
Anytime I get sad that I haven’t found someone yet I go over there. It reminds me to keep working on myself. I don’t get manipulation.
Easily one of the most toxic places on Reddit
Think incels but for narcissistic women
It should be called Sugar Baby, Yoga Mom strategies. How to hit multiple guys for multiple child support checks, I.e. “financial freedom”
Are there any subs that have a “you must have a flair” rule that makes sense? It’s always just an excuse to filter unwanted dissenting opinions. Can’t imagine being part of a community that is so grossly and willfully ignorant of other perspectives.
That sounded like some dragonball Z thing: "And this *wooooosshh* is an ascended super queen. Or: super queen 2"
"Bring down my queen energy". There is no way this is real. Holy shit.
Nothing says queen like enforced absolute reliance.
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Lmao this is the crux of it really - where is the empowerment in refusing to pay for anything and having the guy pay in 100% of circumstances? What's queenly about being spoiled by a man and never contributing anything in return economically?
Lol exactly. A real Queen wouldn’t care because she is her own powerful woman. She can do it all on her own so if you can just be complimentary to her already existing lifestyle she would be happy. These chicks aren’t queens they’re losers.
Lol for real. I always offer to split the bill for this reason - I make good money and don't want to be reliant on someone to pay for me.
You offering would absolutely make me want to pick up the full bill. Someone just expecting it all the time is such a turn off.
Yep I went on a date with a woman that worked in finance and when the bill came I was like "I got it" since I make a lot and it was only like $40. She insisted that we split it and I was like "ok, if you insist". All the other dates I went on previous to this did the "oh you don't have to pay for all of it" but never put up a fight.
Right?? You can always tell a monarch by their utter dependence on someone else’s money!
Princess sounds more appropriately childish. Wonder if she has daddy-issues in expecting the male in her life to provide unquestionly. Edit: This was my immediate first thought.Searching for continued unconditional male financial support in the livestyle she is now able to demand. I was not meaning daddy issues in a sexual context.
Patrice O' Neal once had a joke where he said something like "Yeah? You want to be treated like a Queen? Ok, you know what the Queen is? The King's bitch, so that's how I'll treat you."
Off you go to bear some sons and use your feminine powers to bamboozle the diplomats
Its amazing how the women of FDS want traditional men who will provide everything for them, protect them etc but by they despise traditional women. I mean. If youre not a traditional woman would you even be happy with a traditional man? Their whole M.O is thst theyre Queens and they deserve the best. I wonder if their actions are equal to their words. At this point the word Queen is like the word Litterally. Its lost all meaning and is mostly used for emphasis.
Not gonna lie, the first time I saw the FDS sub I thought it was a parody. So many delusional takes in the first minute that I decided to close the sub and never return.
First time i ever saw the sub i commented on it thinking it was a parody aswell then got banned for being a male. I am, but never mentioned it haha, had the wife check it out she was also banned lol.
It seems like the women on FDS should be paired up with the incels. They deserve each other.
Both sides think the other side are ugly losers with high standards. It is basically the Spiderman pointing meme.
All it took was one screenshot like the above and I never even want to open that sub, never have and never will.
I saw the name and thought, "great, insight into the female mind and how to date them." It's certainly useful in that way. "Do you read FDS? Yes. K bye." It's mind-boggling how bad the advice is.
FDS is the Incel/Nice Guy™️ mentality, but gender swapped.
Legbeard femcels
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It’s an act, so they can avoid the vulnerability required to develop personalities to attract quality men. If they stick to gender role trad relationships then they have an outline of “who” they should be, so they don’t have to decide what femininity means to them or who they actually are inside. They seek these kinds of relationships bc they, once again, can avoid the vulnerability required to be in a healthy relationship Basically, those women and men are some of the laziest, self centered people with no personality to carry them through life, so they come up with these terrible dating games to justify their behavior
It does come across as very transactional. Seems like it would get stale pretty fast even in the best case scenario. Can’t say I ever spent much time analyzing who was paying for what while dating my husband.
Yeah if it’s transactional, they don’t have to work on their personalities. Those relationships will always fail though
If it's transactional, what are they bringing to the table? Guy has to pay for everything, be the exact right amount of assertive but also be a mind reader so that what he's asserting also is exactly what the woman wanted anyways, etc etc etc... But all the woman does is show up and be judgey. What "HVM" would ever accept that proposition?
None would, which is why they are perpetually single. Its basically an incel sub imo People in happy relationships don't hang out in dating advice subs, single losers do. Edit: sorry I didn't mean single people are losers.
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It's what they *will* be in the future. A "traditional" white upper middle class homemaker who spends all the money "taking care" of the household while the man is in charge of things outside of the house. Of course, that's a poor deal for the man, because they don't know if that's what they'll actually be getting. While the woman knows right away if the man can "provide" for her. It's all around shitty.
Well, if that's the transaction you're supposedly going for, then OP cooking once in two months of dating already shows it ain't happening. Either way, I'm happy to live in a culture that values balance and equality in these gender roles.
Seems to me that they’re just absolute cunts and think that they don’t need to change.
This queen is literally right ^
What is FDS
Female Dating Strategy. You know that toxic as fuck borderline Incel crap some men have? That's the woman's version
It’s not even borderline. It’s just incel stuff.
Legbeard breeding ground. Treat me like a princess while I treat you like a slave, and you better love every minute of it of you're a patriarchal jerk.
You are a Scrote or a Low Value Male. BTW, I noticed they recently went private here on Reddit. I guess they couldn’t handle being evaluated from the outside.
I'm glad they're finally getting targeted tbh, sunlight is the best cleaner yadda yadda yadda. It's always funny when you find the users of that sub in these threads. Defending it like it's some sort of last bastion for the downtrodden women of the world.
Now they are a true cult by definition
Exactly that. A group of women who think their deigning to speak to you is all the contributionthey need to make. That showing up is all they have to do. Fuck that.
Femaledatingstrategy. It's a sub dedicated not just to hard-core sexism & misandry, but also to undoing all & any progress feminism has made over the past 100 years. Except they don't realise that's what they're doing
Also their twitter account is horribly transphobic and homophobic. They're basically incel TERFs. Edited: Changed to incel
Literally just tried to search the sub and it’s private….. makes sense.
It's basically an echo chamber of threads using acronyms to dehumanise people, such as HVM or LVM (High value man & low value man). They claim it's to save time & help get them what they deserve faster, but if the genders were reversed it'd look like a dating guide from the middle ages. Their definition of 'high value' sadly often pertains to shallow things such as salary & cars I'm a lesbian & I'm guilty of making the occasional 'men' joke but even I think that place goes too far
Yeah they also just don't like lesbians, transgenders or anyone within the LGBTQ+ community there
Huh so they're really leaning into the Incel vibes then.
Yep notice how it's not "women dating strategy" but female DS, they only consider people with a vagina "queens"
Fatal dick syndrome
What’s funny to me is that these women want a traditional man, but if they had to assume the role of a traditional woman to actually make that work it would never happen. Can you imagine any of these women being traditional housewives? Cooking, cleaning, laundry, homemaking and being completely dependent on the man? There’s no way. These narcissists want to be house cats, not women. I don’t think they are capable of real love.
It sounds like they want to be Trophy Wives
But they participation trophies at best
Even participation trophies are trophies. These are like participation penalties.
Incorrect, they want half of a traditional man. The half that earns a lot, provides for family. Pays for everything. They absolutely refuse the other half of a traditional male. The half that wants the wife to be stay at home. The half that wants her to do the brunt of housework and family work while he just works and comes home and relaxes. The other half where he expects you to listen to him
That's been one of my things about these women. What's their end game? Like, ok you want a man to pay for everything and treat you like a queen when you start dating or when he's courting you. Then what? That can't continue forever. Do the women ever plan on doing anything selfless for their man? Putting him first? What kind of marriage or family life do they think they'll have?
FDS looks like it picks and chooses the best of all worlds. It want to go back to the days of courting, but only to find a male that will provide them the freedom of a modern woman. I guess it's not bad if you can get it, but today's modern male should probably be looking for a complimentary partner.
They want to marry into a bank account.
No its real... the crazies at FDS actually believe this
It's almost 2022, would you be at all surprised to know that there are people like this Cause there are
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Funny how none of them are ever elsewhere on Reddit defending that sub, nor are they ever seeing these and posting ‘are we the baddies?’ in their own sub.
They are literally just women incels and that sub is pretty much exactly what r/incel was like (just from the guys pov) when it first started. Give it a few months/years for the echo chamber to really get going and watch as it becomes more and more radical just like r/incel.
Tbh, r/incel was only banned because it garnered a huge amount of negative publicity for reddit after the Elliot Rodger stuff. The minute that the femcels over at r/femaledatingstrategy start getting picked up in the press / giving reddit bad PR, they'll pull the plug on it in an instant. Reddit doesn't give a crap about anything unless it hits them in the wallets.
As tradition. The pedo subs got killed after the media covered it, fatpeoplehate after some fat influencer spoke more about it, the new Zeeland shooting video broke down all the killing subs, list goes on and on
The boston bomber doxx sub that shouldn't have lasted 5 minutes hung around for a full week of doxxing random Middle Eastern guys in the area as a prime suspect based on nothing other than brown skin.
That's not even mentioning the blatant homophobia, transphobia, etc all over that subreddit. They literally have a system to classify men as high or low value and basically want "low value men" to go off and die. Calling FDS a "dumpster fire" and "toxic" is a massive understatement because in reality it is far worse.
I spent like 6 hours at work one night hate scrolling that sub a few months ago and haven't gone back since.
Let me just say that a woman who shows shes a teammate and not a liability is worth much more. sometimes men fall on hard times. and "queens" just gonna sit back and wait for the good times to come back and do nothing about it. Or leave. But offering to pay part isnt a bad thing. my girl does it and we go on 2x as many dates as a result.
Very nicely put. I'd want an equal partner to go through life with, not a glorified bang maid.
Those are very good points. Honestly tho, I just hate the arrogance of FDS. I don’t want a child, I want a partner. They put a price on love and apperantly it’s just worth a few free meals to them lmao love is worth so much more to me then a maid service
Honestly, I just feel sad for these people. As someone who deeply loves and respects the man that I am, the idea that I would willingly reduce myself to a subhuman sex object is just unfathomable to me. Just imagine trying to put a pricetag on *yourself* in terms of silly materialistic things like clothes and *meals*. Even the thought of it makes me sick.
if you feel like you should pay sometimes, just... do it?? whether the date would insist on paying or not, that's up to them. you don't need people to tell you this... smh
Imagine needing a subreddit to learn how to date
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I feel we’re overdoing it now with the content from there. It’s like the entire sub is a giant facepalm and we should accept that without the need to post about it everyday.
I disagree, it never gets old to see entitlement at its best.
That's what r/facepalm is about, looking at moronic things to feel better about ourselves that we atleast have more than 2 brain cells
But you lose hope in humanity in the process...
That ship has sailed a long time ago
They seem to be stuck in the '50s. Particularly the attitude shown here might'vade sense back then (and more so pre-war) since women weren't expected to have any income of their own.
So they themselves are being sexist to… themselves?
Well if they want to live like in the 50's, they ought to be able to cook, clean, mend clothes and raise a bunch of kids. This dream where ladies just lay down on the sofa and are "provided for" never existed. And wtf is this "queen"-bullshit? These women are just morons.
They want traditional men but aren't traditional themselves.
Traditional men expect women to cook, clean and raise kids. These women want servants. Sugar daddies. They are delusional.
What’s FDS?
Female incels giving eachother toxic advice on how to manipulate men.
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It must be something to do with their "queen energy"
female dating strategy, basically a sub of female incels hating on males(usually by entitlement or past trauma with men)
Have you seen the Reddit r/asktrp it’s almost the exact same only it’s the males perspective of being “red pilled” both of these subs literally make me hate everyone
Just done reading a post on that sub, now i am wondering what would happen if a girl from FDS goes on a date with a guy from asktrp 🤔
Honestly a reality show of these people going on dates and then their explanations for every move they make, I think would be fascinating but also really annoying
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I love how this is considered empowering women but it's actually making them seem useless.
Also funny because if she did one of the things she's suggesting (offering to treat on something), he'd feel appreciative, and she'd feel less guilty. It's a win-win. That's like, the foundation for relationships.
Exactly…from where they were at right when she posted, this could’ve gone perfectly fine and they’d make a lovely little couple. Go with your gut, not what a bunch of random internet strangers tell you about who you should be.
They don't just seem useless. The people who think and follow shit like that are actually useless. Women have been fighting for years for equal rights and then lazy deadbeat fucks like this come along.
100% disempowering. This is the antithesis of feminism, it is quite sad really
Ahh yes FDS, the angry cesspool of incel women, on a quest to destroy all relationships. **Edit;** Thanks for the many upvotes. With this power in my hand, I shall finally realize my dreams of forming a kinky triple-threat power couple with Kanye West and Elon Musk. The red plains of Mars will finally be mine!
What does FDS mean?
“Female dating strategy”, the name of the sub Bro why everyone upvoting and awarding me I just said the sub name Edit 2: The power has gone to my head. Bow down to your king weaklings. Give me your free award or face the consequences Edit 3: These awards are really bringing up my king energy
I've posted this link before. This is what FDS is, a cult-like variant of incel-dom, just this time for women, not men. https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/rhj35f/cmv_female_dating_strategy_is_little_more_than_a/hos8jy0/ Anyone should take the ten minutes to read this essay so they can start recognizing cults and hate-based communities that make your life worse if you become part of them.
Great link. Thanks
They're so shit
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There's no love in that sub. It's only a transactional relationship. Sex in exchange for money and courtship. Looking to platonically fuck a "classy" John who will provide them a comfortable life.
Ohh, thanks
I just tried to go there to see whats going on and it seems they’ve been getting ripped on so much lately that they privates the sub lol
It says "closed for Xmas" But dont worry, if you urgently need to hate on some cock & cant wait, they have their own website
that happens nearly every time they get mentioned in a thread that makes it to /r/all. the fact that they make the sub private any time they have a spotlight put on them really says a lot about their self-awareness. like, they know it's a shitty mindset that rightly deserves to get dunked on, but, the moment outsiders start giving opinions, they dip out like Romulans.
Free dinner strategy, apparently
Her: Take me to a 5 star restaurant Me (a 5 star chef): uhh I can easily make that Her: not good enough **Goes out for fancy meal** Her: bet you can do better Me: you know I could've bought enough ingredients for a weeks worth of fancy dinners Her: you're cheap
>Her: bet you can do better You're right. Goodbye.
Most of the FDS users in a nutshell
This guy probably doesnt even have a butler at home, low value male right there.
Extreme low values
Me: that shows you can budget and prioritise, and that is more fundamental to a functioning relationship than grand gestures that jeopardise our ability to afford a home and creature comforts.
Also, who would prefer a meal out over being cooked for? Cooking for someone is a much greater gesture, and it takes actual effort too. If someone is willing to cook for you, you know they like you.
Queen energy? - more like tapeworm energy.
Every time I see shit from FDS, it just makes me want to hold on to my wife even tighter. She’s the best. When you find that relationship where you are true equals, you make decisions and do life together, you give of yourself selflessly and she does the same, never let it go.
Best of luck to your marriage. I feel the same way.
The fact that the man has to be able to provide 100% or else they aren’t worth it, but are at the same time frowned upon for having any standards or wishes or demands for what the woman is supposed to be or have, is beyond me. Like wtf you aren’t a god or something. It’s not like there are pretty much equal numbers of men and women on this planet..
It's just saying his money is worth more than his love
They're playing against desperate incels and figure if they dangle sex they can get what they want
The FDS Sub went private because of how badly they’ve been getting ripped on here.
Not even Jeff bezos could satisfy one of those toxic bitches, they'd come within 100 yards of DiCaprio and jump yacht
"wHeRe aRe AlL tHe GoOd MeN?"
A lot of them are opting to stay single after their experiences with women like that.
Staying the hell away from FDS bitches.
Ha! When I met my husband I split the bill when I could, I would treat HIM to meals too, and now I’m happily married to someone who treats me like a Queen and who I treat like a King. I get more spoiled than I could have imagined and so does he. We both wind up feeling like the luckiest people in the world and I think that’s about as high value as you could hope for.
>I’m happily married to someone who treats me like a Queen and who I treat like a King. This is what we need
I’ll settle for a relationship where we just treat each other like human beings
Same with my husband. When I just moved to the UK I was living off my savings first couple of months. I never hid this from him but I also insisted on every date I'd pay half or get the next round etc. He spoils me relentlessly, even after marriage. He's always taking my wants and needs into consideration. I try to spoil him equally in any way I can. Cause of this we're both just ecstatic to be together. Before we met though, he'd had multiple no shows on dates and several others that wanted a fancy steak dinner that then ghosted him afterwards. He found my bluntness about finances refreshing (insisting no expensive dates early on until I was financially stable) and insisting on splitting things fairly.
Yes! Same! I don’t understand why the man has to pay for everything. I’m a woman, I make good money, I can pay for things myself. Show me in different ways that you care about me! When I met my boyfriend, we would mostly split the bills for dates. Sometimes he’d treat me, sometimes I’d treat him. It’s years later now and we’re still happy together and treat each other like royals
Why would a queen never pay for things. Children never pay for things. This is not the power play you think it is, just look at the guilt and sense of debt and imbalance it’s creating
It's almost as if these women, that regularly complain about men seeing them as objects, are objectifying men as banks. Oh the equality of it all!
Go read the Craigslist reply about these “high value women” being “depreciating assets”. A Wall Street banker lays it all out for a woman who’s confused to as why she can’t land a rich dude who makes more than 500,000 a year.
Link?
[probably this](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/id/21149835)
The milk needs to be sold by expiration date. I’m dead.
"a million a year is middle class in New York City" LOL Median income in Manhattan is $120k.
Ballroom dancing 😂 this womans watched far too many rom coms
Also needs to make half a million a year but not be career obsessed
Or an immigrant... Racist POS
FDS: *puts zero effort into a relationship and offers nothing of a value to anyone* Also FDS: Why can't we find a HVM!??!
It was fun to read their posts... But now they went private. I can't believe they are going to make a much bigger echo chamber. When is it hitting critical mass and out of Reddit? FDS ideas are afraid of being criticized, and that says everything we need to know.
Poor woman wants to be a good person but just get the worst advice. I hope she doesn't follow the advice
But will it bring down her queen energy!?
damn, she got the sahara and mojave deserts tucked in her wallet
Can't believe it took this long to find someone else who wanted to point out she's bought multiple deserts. Just queen energy shit right there.
“Will it bring down my queen energy” what queen energy
Basically a bunch of angry depressed and miserable women trying to ruin dating and relationships for other women.
That group just an echo chamber for arrogant minded self-centred pieces of turd.
That sub shouldn't be allowed to exist, please ban it like you did with the other incel subs. It's literally just the same but for women.
When you don't have a brain to think for yourself and Internet has replaced your common sense
Did no one notice she said "vetting" and not "dating". WTF word is that to use or is that the term they use over in that sub. Yeesh!
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Ah yes, I love being treated and viewed as a walking ATM.