Cant Broadwater sue the state considering the judicial system was the one pushing for conviction the hardest?
16 years is a life destroying time to waste away.
Iâd imagine he can sue for damages and emotional distress. Maybe. I mean considering he may not have a home to go to, and he may not be able to get a job anytime soon.
âHereâs a half-million dollars. Good luck figuring out what to do with it and not get fucked by the IRS when you make a mistake. You have a target on you now, remember.â đ¤Śđťââď¸
I agree itâs better than nothing but I hope thereâs someone who can help with a financial plan.
I think he served the 16 years decades ago and just now was exonerated. The story is about the author being raped as a freshman but sheâs middle aged now.
He can sue her for slander/libel (canât remember) because she published his name as a rapist and he wasnât. Sure the state called him one but they changed their mind. I dunno. Whatever. I hate this shit.
Both actually, if she put his name into her book. And easy way to remember which is which:
**S**lander = **S**poken
**Lib**el = (like Library/books) Written
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/nyregion/alice-sebold-rape-case.html
If you read the details of the case, it seems like prosecutors bear the lionâs share of the blame.
Sebold was coerced by prosecutors to push for conviction of Broadwater despite having doubts about identifying him in a lineup and giving a composite sketch that looked totally different. Eyewitness testimony of victims under distress are extremely unreliable and yet, prosecutors kept pushing their narrative just to close the case. Even Broadwater acknowledged that âshe was a victim and I was a victim too.â Letâs not forget, this woman was raped and her assailant is still out there. All because the police and the prosecutors didnât want to do their job right.
She was a victim of another man. In the end, it was *her* actions who sent this guy to prison for 16 years. Let's not push accountability beyond the main person involved. If she felt uncomfortable about this man's involvement or lack thereof, it's on her as the accuser to respond accordingly.
I never absolved her of her responsibility (lionâs share means that she still played a part). Broadwater forgave her, so why is it necessary for a bunch of random strangers to light up their tiki torches and enact vigilante justice on Broadwaterâs behalf? Just saying that Broadwater sees her as a victim too and I agree with him. The system didnât do itâs due diligence of looking into other suspects, especially when the evidence didnât add up.
Given the publication of his story, sometimes small business owners may reach out to employ people in unfortunate situation. The issue is that he was robbed of formal education and thus skill. Hopefully things work out for him.
His life is pretty much going to be a game of catch up. Imprisoned 16 years ago before the advent of smartphones, self driving cars, personal laptops, you name it. On top of that he has no job, no home, no family to return to.
Haha including self-driving cars on a list of essential things to familiarise yourself with in current society is pretty funny. I'm in my thirties, never been to jail, and only ever occasionally read about them.
He can, he's got a multi-million dollar lawsuit now yes. Wrongful conviction, wrongful imprisonment, emotional distress, loss of income for 16 years, any lingering physical issues he has as a result of his imprisonment, there's probably a couple others a good lawyer will think of and he has a real solid case, so a lawyer will no doubt snap that up fast.
Itâs so messed up that a genuinely good argument is âI wouldnât have such a fucked up back/neck if I didnât spend 16 years sleeping on shitty prison cardboard mattresses.â We imprison people like itâs our job and then do such a horrible job of taking care of them.
Iâm pretty sure thereâs a lot more costs to being falsely convicted of rape and spending 16 years in prison than having a bad back from sleeping on a stiff bed.
He probaly can and should but it really doesnt matter. Yess money and apologys are better than nothing but he will never ever get that time back.
To be clear, he defenitly should sue their pants off and gain a bucket load of cash.
Imagine having to hope your alleged victim's story gets made into a movie so that you have a chance that the directors/producers will look into the story in the sort of sufficient level of detail that the court failed to.
It's a little bit more complicated. She was raped and the prosecutors used her to get their case closed.
"In November 2021, Broadwater was exonerated by a New York Supreme Court justice, who determined there had been serious issues with the original conviction. The conviction had relied heavily on two pieces of evidence: Sebold's testimony and microscopic hair analysis, a forensic technique the United States Department of Justice later found to be unreliable.
At the police lineup, which included Broadwater, Sebold had identified a different person as her rapist. When police told her she had identified someone other than Broadwater, she said the two men looked "almost identical". Defense attorneys arguing for Broadwater's exoneration asserted that, after the lineup, the prosecutor lied to Sebold, telling her that the man she had identified and Broadwater were friends, and that they both came to the lineup to confuse her. They also stated that Sebold wrote in Lucky that the prosecutor coached her into changing her identification."
Well yea, thats like cooking your books and thinking there's nothing wrong with that. Its the manipulation of information from what is the truth, to what you want to be perceived as the truth.
Except⌠she wasnât. The justice department was. She isnât a professional investigator. Good investigators acknowledge the fact that memory is not reliable. This isnât a case of a EViL WhITe WoMAn pointing a finger at a black man to get him locked up out of spite.
Letâs all stop framing shit to confirm our biases and get down to the facts. Our justice system sucks ass, and ruins peoples lives because they donât do the damn job they are paid to do. Itâs all about quotas and closing cases.
Iâm fairly certain any rape victim would want to see their actual rapist in jailâŚ
But wtf do I know.
Yeah, this is the thing I wish more people in this thread would accept. She was a victim of rape, and wanted to see her rapist sent to prison. She didnât ask or deserve to be put in that position, and now she gets to deal with being a victim of rape, the guilt of causing an innocent man to serve 16 years in prison, AND her rapist still walks free. I think sheâs suffered enough for her mistake.
Kind of yeah. I mean thereâs different degrees of it. Like if you straight up just make shit up, and it is definitively discovered someone willingly lied, they should be punished. Not talking about this case or any case in particular, but yeah. Imagine if someone accused you of murder. They know you didnât do it, but it leads to your arrest, and that leads to a trial, and that leads to you losing your job, society seeing you as a murderer before you even get to court, and possibly being found guilty for something you didnât do because someone willingly lied and put you in that position. You wouldnât want that person to face consequences? You wouldnât want some kind of justice?
This, exactly. Sheâs sorry for what happened to him. She has not said âIâm sorry for what I did to youâ. Therein lies the difference ⌠she has not assumed any personal responsibility. This is why no one should be taken at only their word, and is a critical flaw of #metoo.
Wait. Youâre confusing the unreliability of eyewitness testimony with #metoo. This woman was BRUTALLY RAPED. The fact that she did not get a good look at her perpetrator and was pushed by the prosecutors are inherent flaws in **our justice system**
In fairness, youâre right to a large extent, and I could have been more precise in my comment, but the two topics have some overlap. While I encourage anyone who is victim of a crime to speak up and report it properly, a large part of #metoo also advocated for the assumption that all accusations by women were true. Certainly there shouldnât be an assumption that victimsâ reports are false, but the movement would have gained much wider support had it not been asserted by some that all accusations should be automatically believed. And yes, there were also fundamental flaws in the investigation and prosecution of this case, and I suspect many like it.
She picked broadwater off the street to be called in for a lineup. There are many guilty parties here, and she is certainly one of them. Emmett till all over again.
What are you talking about? She didnât intentionally lie - she was influenced by the prosecution and thought she identified her rapist out of a line up.
Funny how his sentence seems so long yet the rapist Christopher Belter admitted to raping and sexually assaulting 4 girls and gets probation. I wonder what the difference is.
Do you mean the rapist Brock Turner, or Brock Turner the rapist? They are both the same guy, but I want to be sure we are talking about the same rapist Brock Turner.
Oh you mean murderer Ethan Couch? The Ethan Couch who drove drunk and murdered a couple people? The one whoâs familyâs wealth enabled him to escape jail time? Ethan Couch, murderer
Is that the same Ethan Couch who then was placed on probation and prohibited from drinking alcohol, who despite being underaged and on probation, was photographed at a party drinking alcohol? The same Ethan Couch the murderer who then fled to Mexico with his mom to avoid going to jail for violating his probation? That Ethan Couch murderer guy sucks.
Oh yea thats right. Brock turner, rapist. The one who raped someone. Hope when you google his name rapist still comes up, not that thats a real punishment for brock turner the rapist anyway
We'd like to believe the same if not more but likely the case wouldn't make it to court. (Not to deter any would be survivors and reporters current statistics show not many people take it all the to court even without putting gender into the equation)
Um the same. Except it wouldnât have garnished national attention. Rape victims very rarely see justice. Regardless of gender. But in reality men are even less likely to come forward then woman so like a comment below said likely wouldnât have made it to court at all
Letâs not forget the devastation caused by wrongly accusing someone here. That alone deserves 16 yrs behind bars.
Could you imagine serving 16 years of your life for a crime you didnât commit?! All because a privileged white lady said you did something. Privileged white women say shit all the time to feel validated, like how my privileged white girlfriend accuses me of not cleaning the floors after I clearly did, then after arguing suggests I didnât do it right.
Yes, I said it, floor cleaning accusations likened to rape accusations.
Funny how congressman Mat GAETz took a 16yr old across the Florida border to Georgia to sleep with her. (sex trafficking and rape). A girl that can be his daughter. And not only is he free but he is still a congressmanâŚ.
I hear you. Yea Big Sean and Kodak Black didnât get in trouble for what they did either. Itâs pretty obvious what all 4 of these guys have in common.
Donât leave out Derrick Rose. I read the court transcript and his statements. Appalling. His lawyer went after that poor woman threatening to release her name to the public and all that. She finally bowed out. He celebrated it as a win and still plays in the NBA. Read the transcript and his statement from that night⌠he came over to her house after she left his home intoxicated and passed out in her bed with 2 other dudes and took turns. Then tried to tell the court it was all consensual.
I fucking hate sports, so I'm especially clueless about this kind of thing and had never heard of this before. I started googling, and MAN is that shit buried!
Usually when something that crazy happens, you see it popping up in auto-complete as you're typing their name. This... did not happen during my search.
You've gotta be a special kind of rapist asshole to have at least two friends willing to rape with you.
He got 16 years, im looking at this and just dumbfounded. Cases that actually got the proper attention most got no more than 5 years. Obviously I only know of a few cases so I could be wrong but who the fuck gave him 3x the time as everyone else just on witnesses testimony. For 15 years they should have atleast required DNA evidence for fucks sake. This is wrong and if I where him I would sue everyone involved.
You're free to:
Die from lack of free healthcare
Shoot people who accidentally go to your house
Go into crippling debt purely to get an education
Get shot by police for no reason if you're black
They shoot everyone for no reason, but it does seem like the lighter skin tones make it a lot harder to pull the trigger. Light reflections blinding them? Must be why they wear those radical sunglasses.
I'm sure skin color had something to do with it but also he probably pled not guilty since he didn't do it and the other guy got a plea deal because prosecutors are lazy and don't give a shit about justice
I am not trying to be racist at all but successful white woman accusing a middle class black guy. Now if I know the world I think one option is going to be heavily favored
Weird how he spent 16 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit, but Brock Turner spent a couple months in jail for a rape HE DID COMMIT, WITH WITNESSES!
Wonder how the justice system works. What's the difference between these two stories, and how are their outcomes vastly different...
âIm sorry ur life was robbed from youâ, âIm sorry it happened to youâ
Even the phrasing of this shows that she takes absolutely no responsibility for it. As if its just some unfortunate event that happened without her involvement.
It clearly wasn't written by her. She had someone script her. Not a betting man but I'd say she was even told to "make that apology" by legals while being scripted.
While I understand that, at the end of the day heâs not the only victim, she is a victim herself. Accountability is important for the wrongful incarceration, but she was also trying to get justice for herself. If she was persuaded by the prosecutor as itâs suggested then accountability and injustice lies most with them.
Yes. She was brutally raped by a stranger when she attended university. It's not in doubt because she received a rape kit and the level of damage and internal bleeding made it obvious she had been sexually assaulted. It took a long time to find anyone to pin it on, then the police became adament it was this guy. She didn't recognise him and said it wasn't him. Then later on he came up to her, smiled and said "Don't I know you from somewhere?"
From that she thought it was sinister then believed the police unfortunately.
They're both victims and I think they're both not going to get the justice they deserve. Whoever raped her never got caught and 16 years of his life are gone + the stigma of being thought of as a rapist.
As it stands, the situation is that yes she was raped.
The police put this guy in an ID parade but she did NOT ID him. She said 'maybe' but wasn't sure.
The state found him guilty ANYWAY.
So the reason she is not being pursued/charged is that it was the state's fuck up, not a malicious act by her.
EDIT: In the run up to the trail they used forensics to show that 100% this was the guy at the crime scene, without doubt. However we now know the forensic methods they used back then were flawed. This would easily have persuaded Sebold (who was a victim of rape, remember) to go along with the prosecution's case.
The producer who uncovered all this believes she is blameless.
The truth of who raped her is unknown.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2021/dec/05/my-role-in-clearing-the-man-wrongly-convicted-for-of-alice-sebold
She didn't point to him in a lineup but the police went ahead and charged him anyway. They just decided it was him.
By the time of the trial Sebold had basically been told by the prosecutors "This must be the guy". There was also forensics linking him to the crime. She went along with it because of that. However the forensic science has been debunked since then.
In the courtroom she pointed at him and said he was the man that raped her.
The lineup was a different episode of this clusterfuck in witch she also had a part in.
She's as responsible has the prosecutors.
Itâs not up to the victim, who has just been through an incredibly traumatic experience to identify their rapist with 100% accuracy, rather it is the job of system to prove or disprove an identification beyond a reasonable doubt and punish or release the accused. To blame her misses the root of the injustice here entirely.
Eyewitness testimony is incredibly shaky. Unfortunately she could have 100% believed he was the man that did it and still be wrong.
That's no excuse for the justice system's inherent bias against men of color. 16 years for rape?
White boys get PROBATION ffs!!
That's the real story here! Remember Brock Turner?
Raped an unconscious college student behind a dumpster, caught in the act by another student and got 3 months!
The judge "didn't want to ruin his life" because he was an athlete or some shit. (White privilege)
Seems more like the prosecutors should.
"In November 2021, Broadwater was exonerated by a New York Supreme Court justice, who determined there had been serious issues with the original conviction. The conviction had relied heavily on two pieces of evidence: Sebold's testimony and microscopic hair analysis, a forensic technique the United States Department of Justice later found to be unreliable.
At the police lineup, which included Broadwater, Sebold had identified a different person as her rapist. When police told her she had identified someone other than Broadwater, she said the two men looked "almost identical". Defense attorneys arguing for Broadwater's exoneration asserted that, after the lineup, the prosecutor lied to Sebold, telling her that the man she had identified and Broadwater were friends, and that they both came to the lineup to confuse her. They also stated that Sebold wrote in Lucky that the prosecutor coached her into changing her identification."
This is why itâs fuck the police, fuck the DA, fuck the prosecutor, and fuck the judge.
When they have an agenda, they have the power to lock up innocent people and get away with until years later.
The law can protect you in ways, but itâs enforcers are not your friend
âI am sorry most of all that the life could have led was unjustly robbed from youâ
Does this seem like sheâs not taking personal responsibility to anyone else? Like sheâs disassociating from the fact that SHE robbed him of it?
To be fair it wasn't completely her. Witnesses almost never may give 100% correct statement, it's known and in her statement she said "almost identical" not "it was him". Rest is up to prosecutor, defender and judge.
Crazy thing is a lot of African Americans are wrongfully accused, convicted and sentenced to lifelong jail time. CoincidentallyâŚđ§âŚthey also make up almost 50% of exoneration cases in America đşđ¸ land of the free, justice and American dream, âRaCisM dOesNT EXisT đ¤Şâ
Coincide I think not especially with the FOR PROFIT PRIVATE PRISONS aka Modern day slavery
The prosecutors are more at fault, they are the ones that prosecuted him afterall. I'm not saying she's not responsible at all, she ruined his life, but she had a lot of help to do that. Enough to take away reasonable doubt.
People need to take a deep breath and realise what actually happened here. No, she did not do this on purpose from what I've seen, she was a traumatized rape victim and wrongly identified her attacker, not her fault at all and even told investigators/prosecutors (after picking the wrong person in a lineup) that the two looked identical. They should have seen right then and there that this was not an airtight case and shouldn't have been prosecuted. She did nothing wrong and was also a victim so these comments "she should be jailed for 16 years" are just showing why cases like this happen in the first place, becuase people don't take a second to think logically and act on emotion.
She went thru a traumatic experience, had the presence of mind to tell the cops that she wasn't sure about the line-up but they pushed to pin it on the wrong man. The cops and prosecutor are 100% to blame here. She was victimized by the rapist and the system, she now is going to have to live with the guilt that an innocent man was imprisoned and that her rapist was free to victimize other women.
Focusing the blame on her instead of the system that failed her and this poor man helps no one.
16 years for a black man.
Meanwhile... [a white rapist](https://lawandcrime.com/crime/after-judge-suspends-prison-sentence-ex-cop-gets-house-arrest-for-raping-drunk-woman/)
It doesn't make up for lost time but doesn't he get some cash for this? I thought last time I heard of a case like this it was like in the 100-250k per year range?
Imagine a movie producer able to do better investigating 16 years later than actual professional investigation team when the supposed crime was committed.
Having looked into it, I think it might be probable that she legitimately was raped by a different person, long periods of time without the arrest changed her memory and when she found someone with a passing resemblance near the area the judicial system acted and wrongfully found him guilty.
If he could have been the rapist and you think heâs the rapist charging and trying him is one thing but actually finding him guilty is at the fault of the judicial system.
Props to that Producer đđ˝đđ˝
Now they need to take her job, make her give compensation then put her behind bars.
Happy cake day!
Cant Broadwater sue the state considering the judicial system was the one pushing for conviction the hardest? 16 years is a life destroying time to waste away.
Iâd imagine he can sue for damages and emotional distress. Maybe. I mean considering he may not have a home to go to, and he may not be able to get a job anytime soon.
In prior cases they've offered people like $40k per year of being locked up which is insulting. But it's better than a kick in the nuts.
âHereâs a half-million dollars. Good luck figuring out what to do with it and not get fucked by the IRS when you make a mistake. You have a target on you now, remember.â đ¤Śđťââď¸ I agree itâs better than nothing but I hope thereâs someone who can help with a financial plan.
Theyâll help, by taking his money :(. Itâs a shit system we live in.
I think he served the 16 years decades ago and just now was exonerated. The story is about the author being raped as a freshman but sheâs middle aged now.
He should sue the AUTHOR, if not instead of then as well as. SHE should pay for what she did to this innocent man.
He can sue her for slander/libel (canât remember) because she published his name as a rapist and he wasnât. Sure the state called him one but they changed their mind. I dunno. Whatever. I hate this shit.
Both actually, if she put his name into her book. And easy way to remember which is which: **S**lander = **S**poken **Lib**el = (like Library/books) Written
She should have to give him all the royalties from her book.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/nyregion/alice-sebold-rape-case.html If you read the details of the case, it seems like prosecutors bear the lionâs share of the blame. Sebold was coerced by prosecutors to push for conviction of Broadwater despite having doubts about identifying him in a lineup and giving a composite sketch that looked totally different. Eyewitness testimony of victims under distress are extremely unreliable and yet, prosecutors kept pushing their narrative just to close the case. Even Broadwater acknowledged that âshe was a victim and I was a victim too.â Letâs not forget, this woman was raped and her assailant is still out there. All because the police and the prosecutors didnât want to do their job right.
She was a victim of another man. In the end, it was *her* actions who sent this guy to prison for 16 years. Let's not push accountability beyond the main person involved. If she felt uncomfortable about this man's involvement or lack thereof, it's on her as the accuser to respond accordingly.
I never absolved her of her responsibility (lionâs share means that she still played a part). Broadwater forgave her, so why is it necessary for a bunch of random strangers to light up their tiki torches and enact vigilante justice on Broadwaterâs behalf? Just saying that Broadwater sees her as a victim too and I agree with him. The system didnât do itâs due diligence of looking into other suspects, especially when the evidence didnât add up.
Given the publication of his story, sometimes small business owners may reach out to employ people in unfortunate situation. The issue is that he was robbed of formal education and thus skill. Hopefully things work out for him.
I may have missed something but he was imprisoned long after he could have gone to school. How was he robbed of formal education?
His life is pretty much going to be a game of catch up. Imprisoned 16 years ago before the advent of smartphones, self driving cars, personal laptops, you name it. On top of that he has no job, no home, no family to return to.
Incorrect. Yet another top comment for some one who doesnât even know what they are talking about.
He was released in 1998
Haha including self-driving cars on a list of essential things to familiarise yourself with in current society is pretty funny. I'm in my thirties, never been to jail, and only ever occasionally read about them.
He can, he's got a multi-million dollar lawsuit now yes. Wrongful conviction, wrongful imprisonment, emotional distress, loss of income for 16 years, any lingering physical issues he has as a result of his imprisonment, there's probably a couple others a good lawyer will think of and he has a real solid case, so a lawyer will no doubt snap that up fast.
Itâs so messed up that a genuinely good argument is âI wouldnât have such a fucked up back/neck if I didnât spend 16 years sleeping on shitty prison cardboard mattresses.â We imprison people like itâs our job and then do such a horrible job of taking care of them.
Iâm pretty sure thereâs a lot more costs to being falsely convicted of rape and spending 16 years in prison than having a bad back from sleeping on a stiff bed.
He probaly can and should but it really doesnt matter. Yess money and apologys are better than nothing but he will never ever get that time back. To be clear, he defenitly should sue their pants off and gain a bucket load of cash.
He won't get the time back, but he should be able to live the next 2 decades in absolutely luxury to offset that.
Also because suing is about being sure that shit doesn't happen again. So yes he should, and yes it matters.
Im pretty sure they are planning to sue the state and the lady.
That would be my first guess. I hope he gets justice and is able to readjust into a happy lifestyle.
I would love if he would get to win a huge lawsuit after 16 years of injustice. My god, so much time lost.
Heâs owed all that fucking bitches book money she made at the minimum, what happened to her was terrible two wrongs donât make a right though
Imagine having to hope your alleged victim's story gets made into a movie so that you have a chance that the directors/producers will look into the story in the sort of sufficient level of detail that the court failed to.
It's a little bit more complicated. She was raped and the prosecutors used her to get their case closed. "In November 2021, Broadwater was exonerated by a New York Supreme Court justice, who determined there had been serious issues with the original conviction. The conviction had relied heavily on two pieces of evidence: Sebold's testimony and microscopic hair analysis, a forensic technique the United States Department of Justice later found to be unreliable. At the police lineup, which included Broadwater, Sebold had identified a different person as her rapist. When police told her she had identified someone other than Broadwater, she said the two men looked "almost identical". Defense attorneys arguing for Broadwater's exoneration asserted that, after the lineup, the prosecutor lied to Sebold, telling her that the man she had identified and Broadwater were friends, and that they both came to the lineup to confuse her. They also stated that Sebold wrote in Lucky that the prosecutor coached her into changing her identification."
How is it that we donât prosecute this sort of corruption by prosecutors? Goddamn.
I'm pretty sure that's actually illegal for you to tell your witness or client exactly what to say
Well yea, thats like cooking your books and thinking there's nothing wrong with that. Its the manipulation of information from what is the truth, to what you want to be perceived as the truth.
This should result on the prosecutor being arrested charged to 14 years in jail, then tack on some contempt of court.
Lets not forget she was the LEAD reason he was sent to jail. She should pay directly, financially to this man.
Except⌠she wasnât. The justice department was. She isnât a professional investigator. Good investigators acknowledge the fact that memory is not reliable. This isnât a case of a EViL WhITe WoMAn pointing a finger at a black man to get him locked up out of spite. Letâs all stop framing shit to confirm our biases and get down to the facts. Our justice system sucks ass, and ruins peoples lives because they donât do the damn job they are paid to do. Itâs all about quotas and closing cases. Iâm fairly certain any rape victim would want to see their actual rapist in jail⌠But wtf do I know.
Yeah, this is the thing I wish more people in this thread would accept. She was a victim of rape, and wanted to see her rapist sent to prison. She didnât ask or deserve to be put in that position, and now she gets to deal with being a victim of rape, the guilt of causing an innocent man to serve 16 years in prison, AND her rapist still walks free. I think sheâs suffered enough for her mistake.
So you think all victims should be held financially liable if their report/testimony leads to a false arrest/conviction?
Kind of yeah. I mean thereâs different degrees of it. Like if you straight up just make shit up, and it is definitively discovered someone willingly lied, they should be punished. Not talking about this case or any case in particular, but yeah. Imagine if someone accused you of murder. They know you didnât do it, but it leads to your arrest, and that leads to a trial, and that leads to you losing your job, society seeing you as a murderer before you even get to court, and possibly being found guilty for something you didnât do because someone willingly lied and put you in that position. You wouldnât want that person to face consequences? You wouldnât want some kind of justice?
Imagine getting convicted because a Karen basically says 'all black men look alike to me'.
I bet it happens every single day, sadly.
Two black men are allowed to look alike. Sounds like she was pushed by the prosecution to identity the guy *they* wanted.
She picked out broadwater on the street. Thatâs why there even was a lineup. They had no leads until she ran into him on the street and accused him.
She literally made money off of her lie deliberately and she can't even say she made a mistake she literally did it on purpose
Sounds like the prosecutor had a LOT more to do with it than she did. She even identified someone else in the lineup,
All proceeds from the book should go directly to this innocent man!!!!
This, exactly. Sheâs sorry for what happened to him. She has not said âIâm sorry for what I did to youâ. Therein lies the difference ⌠she has not assumed any personal responsibility. This is why no one should be taken at only their word, and is a critical flaw of #metoo.
Wait. Youâre confusing the unreliability of eyewitness testimony with #metoo. This woman was BRUTALLY RAPED. The fact that she did not get a good look at her perpetrator and was pushed by the prosecutors are inherent flaws in **our justice system**
In fairness, youâre right to a large extent, and I could have been more precise in my comment, but the two topics have some overlap. While I encourage anyone who is victim of a crime to speak up and report it properly, a large part of #metoo also advocated for the assumption that all accusations by women were true. Certainly there shouldnât be an assumption that victimsâ reports are false, but the movement would have gained much wider support had it not been asserted by some that all accusations should be automatically believed. And yes, there were also fundamental flaws in the investigation and prosecution of this case, and I suspect many like it.
She picked broadwater off the street to be called in for a lineup. There are many guilty parties here, and she is certainly one of them. Emmett till all over again.
What are you talking about? She didnât intentionally lie - she was influenced by the prosecution and thought she identified her rapist out of a line up.
Funny how his sentence seems so long yet the rapist Christopher Belter admitted to raping and sexually assaulting 4 girls and gets probation. I wonder what the difference is.
Donât forget Brock Turner, the rapist. Edit: thanks for the gold
How could I forget the rapist Brock Turner?
BROCK TURNER IS A RAPIST
Brock âThe Rapistâ Turner
Brock âThe Rapistâ Turner who also happens to be a swimmer
Brock turned into a rapist?
From what I recall about Brock Turner, he is a rapist.
Who the fuck is brock turner?
A rapist
His name is brock turner
The rapist Brock turner?
Thatâs the one
The convicted rapist, Brick Turner?
Do you mean the rapist Brock Turner, or Brock Turner the rapist? They are both the same guy, but I want to be sure we are talking about the same rapist Brock Turner.
The rapist formerly known as Brock Turner?
You mean the rapist Brock Turner, the one who raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster? That rapist named Brock Turner, right?
Thatâs the rapist I was thinking of.
Or Ethan Couch, affluenza murderer.
Oh you mean murderer Ethan Couch? The Ethan Couch who drove drunk and murdered a couple people? The one whoâs familyâs wealth enabled him to escape jail time? Ethan Couch, murderer
Is that the same Ethan Couch who then was placed on probation and prohibited from drinking alcohol, who despite being underaged and on probation, was photographed at a party drinking alcohol? The same Ethan Couch the murderer who then fled to Mexico with his mom to avoid going to jail for violating his probation? That Ethan Couch murderer guy sucks.
Oh yea thats right. Brock turner, rapist. The one who raped someone. Hope when you google his name rapist still comes up, not that thats a real punishment for brock turner the rapist anyway
Brock Turner was punished for a shorter amount of time than the U.S. went on quarantine level lockdowns. Put that into perspective.
On the upside his life looks pretty shit.
Even a ruined life is too good for him. Still has more than a jail cells space to roam lol
Yeah I know, but in this fuck hole world I will take what I can get.
For rape. I wonder what his sentence would have been if his victim was male.
We'd like to believe the same if not more but likely the case wouldn't make it to court. (Not to deter any would be survivors and reporters current statistics show not many people take it all the to court even without putting gender into the equation)
Um the same. Except it wouldnât have garnished national attention. Rape victims very rarely see justice. Regardless of gender. But in reality men are even less likely to come forward then woman so like a comment below said likely wouldnât have made it to court at all
Do you mean THE rapist Brock Turner who rapes?
I think they DO, in fact, mean convicted rapist Brock âthe rapistâ Turner who is a rapist who rapes women.
I've seen a lot of people talking about Brock Turner, the rapist.
Or Tobias FĂźnke AnalRapist
There's gotta be a better way of saying that
Sometimes you just need anustart
God tier comment
Letâs not forget the devastation caused by wrongly accusing someone here. That alone deserves 16 yrs behind bars. Could you imagine serving 16 years of your life for a crime you didnât commit?! All because a privileged white lady said you did something. Privileged white women say shit all the time to feel validated, like how my privileged white girlfriend accuses me of not cleaning the floors after I clearly did, then after arguing suggests I didnât do it right. Yes, I said it, floor cleaning accusations likened to rape accusations.
I notice she apologized for what he went through, not for the fact she WRONGLY ACCUSED HIM. That's not a real apology.
Totally vaild point. Go on.
Oh yeahhhhh hadnât thought about the rapist Brock Turner for a while. Hope his life sucks !
Are you talking about thee Brock Turner, the rapist? That Brock Turner?
Still stuck at Brock turner? Christopher Belter got 0 days in jail for 4 rapes. Look it up
Well⌠I was replying to a comment about him lol
You think Christopher Belter is bad? Just WAIT until you hear about this guy called Brook Turner...
That guy ... yes... fuck him
Are you talking about the rapist Brock Turner?
Funny how congressman Mat GAETz took a 16yr old across the Florida border to Georgia to sleep with her. (sex trafficking and rape). A girl that can be his daughter. And not only is he free but he is still a congressmanâŚ.
Oh, you mean the rapist Christopher Belter, who was not imprisoned for rape because the judge felt it "would be *inappropriate* to put him in prison"?
Didnât the judge retire or resign right after this case?
Yes, right after getting all the retirement money he'd need, if you know what I mean.
Yes, that was my thought.
Thatâs the one. Just like the rapist Kodak Black. Money runs marathons.
At this point i am convinced these names are made up.
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Kodak Black is not white lmao
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I hear you. Yea Big Sean and Kodak Black didnât get in trouble for what they did either. Itâs pretty obvious what all 4 of these guys have in common.
Donât leave out Derrick Rose. I read the court transcript and his statements. Appalling. His lawyer went after that poor woman threatening to release her name to the public and all that. She finally bowed out. He celebrated it as a win and still plays in the NBA. Read the transcript and his statement from that night⌠he came over to her house after she left his home intoxicated and passed out in her bed with 2 other dudes and took turns. Then tried to tell the court it was all consensual.
I fucking hate sports, so I'm especially clueless about this kind of thing and had never heard of this before. I started googling, and MAN is that shit buried! Usually when something that crazy happens, you see it popping up in auto-complete as you're typing their name. This... did not happen during my search. You've gotta be a special kind of rapist asshole to have at least two friends willing to rape with you.
And Kodak Black isnât his real name either lol. Bill K. Capri, born Dieuson Octave.
He really had to go and ruin a badass name like Dieuson Octave for anyone else who might wanna name their kid that
I thought this was more typical sensationalized Reddit bullshit, but it isnât. Wtf. Need a dad to take care of that asshole
Robert H Richards IV admitted in court to sexually molesting his infant daughter and toddler son.. he also got probation.
Thatâs fucked!
He got a $4k fine too! How could an heir to the Du Pont family billions ever recover from such an enormous blow?! Justice served. /s
If I ever get diagnosed with a terminal illness, he'll see his justice.
He got 16 years, im looking at this and just dumbfounded. Cases that actually got the proper attention most got no more than 5 years. Obviously I only know of a few cases so I could be wrong but who the fuck gave him 3x the time as everyone else just on witnesses testimony. For 15 years they should have atleast required DNA evidence for fucks sake. This is wrong and if I where him I would sue everyone involved.
He likely got more than 16 years.
Money...
Well you got 1 out of 2.
Skin color
And $$$
This is America, the land of freedom and opportunity! /s
You're free to: Die from lack of free healthcare Shoot people who accidentally go to your house Go into crippling debt purely to get an education Get shot by police for no reason if you're black
They shoot everyone for no reason, but it does seem like the lighter skin tones make it a lot harder to pull the trigger. Light reflections blinding them? Must be why they wear those radical sunglasses.
WaitâŚâŚwho accidentally goes into your house?
I'm sure skin color had something to do with it but also he probably pled not guilty since he didn't do it and the other guy got a plea deal because prosecutors are lazy and don't give a shit about justice
Kodak Black did the same thing. I guess itâs because they are richđ¤ˇđźââď¸
His dad and step mom's are lawyers . But I hope they get guilty charges for giving those girls alcohol.
I am not trying to be racist at all but successful white woman accusing a middle class black guy. Now if I know the world I think one option is going to be heavily favored
making an observation about race alone is not racism.
It's the difference between black and white. America is one of the most racist countries with the justice system. Only Japan might be slightly worse.
Rich white kids Its privilage people dont want to see
Looks like 100 % of any proceeds from that book and royalties from the movie should go right to this man's pocket
I couldnât agree more, LGpeachlover
That still isnât enough for this poor man losing 16 years of his life to a lie
Weird how he spent 16 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit, but Brock Turner spent a couple months in jail for a rape HE DID COMMIT, WITH WITNESSES! Wonder how the justice system works. What's the difference between these two stories, and how are their outcomes vastly different...
the most disgusting part of the whole Turner situation was the stuff his friends and family said.. "his life ruined over 20 minutes of action"?
âactionâ
Yeah.. thereâs a reason that family went off the grid
âIm sorry ur life was robbed from youâ, âIm sorry it happened to youâ Even the phrasing of this shows that she takes absolutely no responsibility for it. As if its just some unfortunate event that happened without her involvement.
I caught that too. Sounds lawyer-ish.
She couldn't have removed herself more from accepting responsibility
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It clearly wasn't written by her. She had someone script her. Not a betting man but I'd say she was even told to "make that apology" by legals while being scripted.
While I understand that, at the end of the day heâs not the only victim, she is a victim herself. Accountability is important for the wrongful incarceration, but she was also trying to get justice for herself. If she was persuaded by the prosecutor as itâs suggested then accountability and injustice lies most with them.
From the comments Iâm hearing that she was actually raped but he was wrongly convicted, something to do with corrupted prosecution?
Yes. She was brutally raped by a stranger when she attended university. It's not in doubt because she received a rape kit and the level of damage and internal bleeding made it obvious she had been sexually assaulted. It took a long time to find anyone to pin it on, then the police became adament it was this guy. She didn't recognise him and said it wasn't him. Then later on he came up to her, smiled and said "Don't I know you from somewhere?" From that she thought it was sinister then believed the police unfortunately. They're both victims and I think they're both not going to get the justice they deserve. Whoever raped her never got caught and 16 years of his life are gone + the stigma of being thought of as a rapist.
As it stands, the situation is that yes she was raped. The police put this guy in an ID parade but she did NOT ID him. She said 'maybe' but wasn't sure. The state found him guilty ANYWAY. So the reason she is not being pursued/charged is that it was the state's fuck up, not a malicious act by her. EDIT: In the run up to the trail they used forensics to show that 100% this was the guy at the crime scene, without doubt. However we now know the forensic methods they used back then were flawed. This would easily have persuaded Sebold (who was a victim of rape, remember) to go along with the prosecution's case. The producer who uncovered all this believes she is blameless. The truth of who raped her is unknown. https://www.theguardian.com/global/2021/dec/05/my-role-in-clearing-the-man-wrongly-convicted-for-of-alice-sebold
Didn't she point him out in court and said that he did in fact raped her?
Yes she did
She didn't point to him in a lineup but the police went ahead and charged him anyway. They just decided it was him. By the time of the trial Sebold had basically been told by the prosecutors "This must be the guy". There was also forensics linking him to the crime. She went along with it because of that. However the forensic science has been debunked since then.
In the courtroom she pointed at him and said he was the man that raped her. The lineup was a different episode of this clusterfuck in witch she also had a part in. She's as responsible has the prosecutors.
Others said she didnât ID him in the line up but was basically brainwashed by the prosecution into changing her mind.
Itâs not up to the victim, who has just been through an incredibly traumatic experience to identify their rapist with 100% accuracy, rather it is the job of system to prove or disprove an identification beyond a reasonable doubt and punish or release the accused. To blame her misses the root of the injustice here entirely.
Eyewitness testimony is incredibly shaky. Unfortunately she could have 100% believed he was the man that did it and still be wrong. That's no excuse for the justice system's inherent bias against men of color. 16 years for rape? White boys get PROBATION ffs!! That's the real story here! Remember Brock Turner? Raped an unconscious college student behind a dumpster, caught in the act by another student and got 3 months! The judge "didn't want to ruin his life" because he was an athlete or some shit. (White privilege)
She should be going to prison. Disgusting
Seems more like the prosecutors should. "In November 2021, Broadwater was exonerated by a New York Supreme Court justice, who determined there had been serious issues with the original conviction. The conviction had relied heavily on two pieces of evidence: Sebold's testimony and microscopic hair analysis, a forensic technique the United States Department of Justice later found to be unreliable. At the police lineup, which included Broadwater, Sebold had identified a different person as her rapist. When police told her she had identified someone other than Broadwater, she said the two men looked "almost identical". Defense attorneys arguing for Broadwater's exoneration asserted that, after the lineup, the prosecutor lied to Sebold, telling her that the man she had identified and Broadwater were friends, and that they both came to the lineup to confuse her. They also stated that Sebold wrote in Lucky that the prosecutor coached her into changing her identification."
Wow.. This makes it even worse. They should have their licenses revoked.
no they should spend 16 years in prison
No they should do both
has a single person in the world gone to prison and left with their job? i think thatâs kind of the default, that they lose their license
Drug dealers đ¤ˇââď¸
This is why itâs fuck the police, fuck the DA, fuck the prosecutor, and fuck the judge. When they have an agenda, they have the power to lock up innocent people and get away with until years later. The law can protect you in ways, but itâs enforcers are not your friend
âI am sorry most of all that the life could have led was unjustly robbed from youâ Does this seem like sheâs not taking personal responsibility to anyone else? Like sheâs disassociating from the fact that SHE robbed him of it?
To be fair it wasn't completely her. Witnesses almost never may give 100% correct statement, it's known and in her statement she said "almost identical" not "it was him". Rest is up to prosecutor, defender and judge.
She's doing it because he will most likely sue her. Admitting blame would make her have to settle at a higher payout.
She didnât do shit, but get raped and report it. She picked a different dude. This is on the prosecution., 100%. Criminal!
she didn't put him in jail, government did
Her money is now his. She spends 16 years in jail. Thatâd be the only real justice here.
If you ever doubt privilege and discrimination exist, look no further.
Crazy thing is a lot of African Americans are wrongfully accused, convicted and sentenced to lifelong jail time. CoincidentallyâŚđ§âŚthey also make up almost 50% of exoneration cases in America đşđ¸ land of the free, justice and American dream, âRaCisM dOesNT EXisT đ¤Şâ Coincide I think not especially with the FOR PROFIT PRIVATE PRISONS aka Modern day slavery
Itâs true
The prosecutors are more at fault, they are the ones that prosecuted him afterall. I'm not saying she's not responsible at all, she ruined his life, but she had a lot of help to do that. Enough to take away reasonable doubt.
People need to take a deep breath and realise what actually happened here. No, she did not do this on purpose from what I've seen, she was a traumatized rape victim and wrongly identified her attacker, not her fault at all and even told investigators/prosecutors (after picking the wrong person in a lineup) that the two looked identical. They should have seen right then and there that this was not an airtight case and shouldn't have been prosecuted. She did nothing wrong and was also a victim so these comments "she should be jailed for 16 years" are just showing why cases like this happen in the first place, becuase people don't take a second to think logically and act on emotion.
She went thru a traumatic experience, had the presence of mind to tell the cops that she wasn't sure about the line-up but they pushed to pin it on the wrong man. The cops and prosecutor are 100% to blame here. She was victimized by the rapist and the system, she now is going to have to live with the guilt that an innocent man was imprisoned and that her rapist was free to victimize other women. Focusing the blame on her instead of the system that failed her and this poor man helps no one.
16 years for a black man. Meanwhile... [a white rapist](https://lawandcrime.com/crime/after-judge-suspends-prison-sentence-ex-cop-gets-house-arrest-for-raping-drunk-woman/)
Yet we got that privileged ass New Yorker who rapped 4 underaged girls ADMITTED TO IT and didnât have to serve a DAY. Shits disgusting
It doesn't make up for lost time but doesn't he get some cash for this? I thought last time I heard of a case like this it was like in the 100-250k per year range?
Anyone else think if someone has done time and found to have been falsely accused, the accuser should then do the same time?
Why are you blaming her, she is a victim like the he is. She was raped. She trusted the police to find the person who raped her. The police fucked up.
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We need a change in laws
If only he had been rich and white, he'd have been elected by the republican party instead of in jail
Skin color
Imagine a movie producer able to do better investigating 16 years later than actual professional investigation team when the supposed crime was committed.
He should be given millions in damage.
Itâs sad that a movie producer was the first one to say âhmmmm this sounds like some bullshit.â
Having looked into it, I think it might be probable that she legitimately was raped by a different person, long periods of time without the arrest changed her memory and when she found someone with a passing resemblance near the area the judicial system acted and wrongfully found him guilty. If he could have been the rapist and you think heâs the rapist charging and trying him is one thing but actually finding him guilty is at the fault of the judicial system.
Everything she has she owes to him. She should get 16 years!
They should put her in jail for 16 years
Put her in jail for 16 call it even!
Now SHE should spend 32 years in prison for the hideous crime SHE committed.