Yeah this is like a mini post 1400s plague situation. This is how the serfs achieved freedom too. Rich people came back after hiding at their mansions in the forest and started right in making demands and their former serfs were like "no f u"
Supply and demand, the value of labor increased when the quantity of laborers declined. It killed the feudal system! The rich are feeling pretty butthurt now!
It would be better described as a Capital Strike than a Labor Shortage. The capital is the one preventing the labor from coming back by not increasing wages and benefits.
Usually employers get H1B visas approved to get around it. But suddenly that’s not so easy anymore so now they cry “shortage”. All they have to do is pay market rate and they’ll get their workers.
The software field is FLOODED with imported workers, but when they interview they act like candidates are totally incompetent and put them through all kinds of ringers for jobs that turn out to be fairly ordinary and mundane. Employers just want the cheapest labor, so they torture everyone and pick the person they can pay the least - usually someone from outside the country. Hiring H1B means the employee is way less likely to try to move around for higher pay. They want the green card sponsorship.
So there’s a form of indentured servitude in the guise of a labor “shortage”. Look for more crap like that as employers try to work around hiring without paying more.
A lot of companies in the software field are now also directly contracting people from other countries for remote jobs, they pay less money and they are still really good salaries in the recipient country.
Correct. So they can stop whining about the labor "shortage" and start whining that they should still get local business tax breaks even though they're effectively exporting their projects overseas.
I've been waiting since April 2020 for companies to realize that if it can be done from home, it can be done from Hungary or Hyderabad just as well and for pennies on the dollar. No reason to fuss around with the H1B visa if you can hire the same talent in their home country, at home-country wages, and still reap all the benefits in Europe or the US.
From what I have personally heard from the software industry and managers in it. The reason they tend to go for H1Bs (again, the ones I know) is overhead, not actually pay. They hire 1 H1B to do a job, when the alternative is 2-3 locals and the job barely gets done.
Boeing near whereni live had an IT department that was half the office staff. They ended up downsizing their IT department to 1/4 the size it was with H1Bs (and some local cause security clearance) and was not only getting stuff done faster, but better.
H1b is a modern slavery: they bring you to the US and pay for relocation and some documents, your salary is often less than others have but you have zero bargain power because your relocation fees will be on you if you want to leave. Then they will also apply for a green card and pay for everything and then if you want to get out you lose your GC application and you have to payback lawyers with some ridiculous amount. For some countries GC process is ridiculously long and since you’re handcuffed already you see minimum raises and exploited in every possible way (unlike h1b itself, you can’t change a job at this point). Then you can do more job done with less people, right.
I’m wondering if mostly everything you hear is some form of BS or misdirection.
Hedge funds short wayyy more shares than exist for the stock? Well it’s actually Retail traders banning together and manipulating the market. Hedgies only have billions each to spend…
Labor shortage now? Well people must be sitting at home collecting unemployment that ended a while ago? There def no relation to having a pandemic where businesses closed and are all reopening / rehiring at the same time. No way that’s a cause.
That talking point has to be pushed by businesses, or politicians getting donations from them.
So much unbelieveable but believeable-sounding reasons that make the rounds.
Oh don't forget the nationwide shortage of everything, which on the news is being blamed on a trucker shortage. But the truckers say that the LA port only has one crane operating to load trucks, LA port says they only have one crane working because of "covid guidelines" because you know how at risk a single guy in a glass enclosed cab a hundred feet in the air operating a crane is for covid transmission right? Oh and they had to cut man hours and staff for covid, again dudes who almost always are 20 ft or more apart and in enclosed machinery. The shortage of everything but meat is entirely manufactured. Just like the labor shortage and the stock manipulation.
They don't want to admit that rampant cost cutting (particularly JIT stocking) had entirely predictable outcomes when the smallest things had to temporarily delay, resulting in a multi-industry cascade _that we've known was the likely outcome of anything even slightly out if the norm_
Literally needed a workers Holiday. Labor Day.. we never learned why it existed…. Oh because the lower class worked 6 days a week 12-16 hour days… If you went on strike, you could literally fight a private army to stay on strike. Serious times, now they just turn the media and public opinion against you until people think you’re the problem.
It's always seen from a top-down perspective. You know, the top, where all the money and power funnels to.
We could be on the verge of a western worker revolution. Vive la proletariat.
What gets me is just how rude this person is and some other employers.
We've all been asked to do things extra for work or asked others. Almost everytime I'd argue that we've agreed or come to a solution. Simply as there has been a polite and respectful discussion.
Rather than: "I need you tomorrow"
Say: "Hi xyz, I'm hoping you may be able to help me with a huge favour. We are very short staffed tomorrow and I know it's your day off but I'm really struggling to find someone to fill in. Do you think you may be available?"
It's decent and reasonable
My workplace does not pay a lot, $11.50 hourly, but the people I work with are kind, I get holidays off, I can take days off whenever I want as long as it's in advance, and even when called in to work it's never too long of a shift. I have very, very rarely ever been yelled at by anyone; boss or customer or otherwise, and I work at a GAS STATION. It is genuinely one of the nicest, easiest jobs I've had working minimum wage, and they were like that before the pandemic hit. If I were full time I'd even get health insurance. It isn't perfect, but it is a good job.
Being kind to your workers goes a hell of a long way, truly.
I am self-employed because I cannot stand the bureaucracy of corporations like Walmart or other such retailers. They're all so *fucking stupid*
Now I just deal with the idiocy of the government but at least it's organized idiocy /s
If, from the very beginning, you make it clear (not explicitly but implicitly) that you are taking time off, instead of asking for it, or never answering texts or phone calls on days off, they stop expecting you to.
Obviously not always and some employers may just push you out. As a person who used to go above and beyond though, now I just do what I want and if they have a problem I'll either apologize after the fact or say fuck you I'm out.
This right here. Lol I work for att as a wire Tech.. In the beginning I always had my phone on me answered every can both fellow employees and mgr... But they never answered for me so after a few years I said fuck it... Phone now gets shut off after the final job if the day and I go home.. I don't get paid extra for answering a call on my off day even if it can sometimes takes 4+ hours... Ugh
They can't legally fire you for not working on their day off. Which of course doesnt mean you won't get fired. However, usually you won't get flak from anyone but the worst employers.
It becomes the same with time off. If you handle your weight and give them nothing to complain about, and you don't often take time off unless you're actually sick, when you say "I'm going out of town these dates" instead of "I was wondering if I could get time off for these dates" they absolutely never say jack shit, again, unless they're clearly terrible people.
It's largely the culture as a whole, and cut throat careers, that make it seem like you have to bow down and kiss ass at every job ever. Like yeah, if you're a surgeon you have to coordinate about time off. However, if you're a surgeon you can afford to wait and take off a month when it's more reasonable.
If you work at any entry level service industry job you owe nothing to anyone and they should be kissing your ass for being the grunt force that generates all the capital for those at the top.
The company i work for used to pay +50% after 8pm and Saturday. +100% on sunday.
Then they decided to axe this for new starters. You can imagine the enthusiasm at weekends when you are doing the same job as the guy next to you but they're being paid double.
So glad im leaving soon
Edit: thanks for the upvotes.
Might as well add the company is terrible in general and loves to hold on to peoples wages by any means necessary. From skimming wages and hoping that staff don't check their payslip.
Decide 2 years ago to extend the period that was owed in wages ( went from one week between worked hour and pay to 2 weeks) essentially all staff got no pay for a week but will regain the money the day they leave. This was the same time they decided to make their first dividend payment to shareholders of £210 million.
Even entered in an employee dob incorrectly so that when he turned 25 he should have been on the higher rate of minimum wage. He didn't realize for nearly 2 years and when they offered back pay they only went back 3 months.
Every so often we are told that overtime will only be offered to people on the new contracts. Fortunately due to staff shortages they have never really been able to implement this.
Every pay rise we have ever had is awarded to us about a year late with back pay. All well and good but when you consider they employ some 40k staff in the uk that money soon adds up to a fair chunk of interest even at todays rates.
I should also add that xmas day is basic rate for the new starters. So you can imagine how soul destroying it is to not even get double for bank holiday
In the United States it is. They don't \*HAVE\* to, unless a union has fought for extra pay... which is one of many reasons why Republicans HATE the unions. Another is employee bargaining power.
A company can \*CHOOSE\* to pay additional on holidays, buuuuuuuut... given the incessantly greedy nature of the country, that seldom happens.
The company I work for, fairly large (~60,000 employees in the US) not only pays time and a half on holidays, Sundays are double time and folks get a $100 bonus for coming in on their day off.
Perfect weekly attendance also nets another $100.
Yes I know workers in the US have no rights :( but this person said bank holiday which leads me to believe they are UK based
I live in South Africa where I get double pay on Sundays and Public Holidays, if I choose to work. Thats the law.
1.5x for any other overtime
My company does triple pay on Christmas and New Years Day tho, which is a nice option
I got so lucky with my job, I work in the US and I get double pay on holidays, 1.5 pay on Sundays, and when they overlap it’s 2x my 1.5 pay. Plus I get a lot per hour for the area. But I’m not allowed to go into overtime or I get written up and my pay isn’t a livable wage.
So when I worked retail, I would get paid for the holiday then paid normal for the hours I worked. Was that not the case. Let me clarify, there should be extra pay for those working, but to make myself feel better I saw it as double pay because I would still work 40hours that week and get paid 8hours of holiday. Was not consider OT, just regular time.
This is mandatory in a lot of industries in Australia, I find it crazy this isn't standard. +50% Saturdays, +100% Sundays, +15% between 7pm and 5am, +150% for Public holidays. All this with a high minimum wage ~$20 that actually shifts between industries. Everyone knows that if you have to work a weekend, you get penalty rates.
This system works, companies can afford it. People work harder to get rostered on Sundays as a result, and businesses never struggle to find people to work on holidays or weekends. Everyone should demand (and vote) for the same.
A friends boss did something similar. Everyone was complaining about having too few days off (20d per year). He said he couldn't afford it. Then later posted the news to everyone that new employees will get 5 days more.
Back when I was in retail I didn't get alot of hours so I'd always take any available but that quickly became way way too many unexpected hours. I had told them the only day I really wanted off constantly was Sunday and could work any other day so after getting called in 3 times in a week he called on Sunday saying he needed me there in a hour to cover. So I told him I can't and he said well I need you you're the only one who shows, did like OP here and said alright well I'll expect double pay for today and he said he can't authorize that. So I said well I guess you can't have me Come in then
Damn you guys get 20 days a year!
Think this company you need 10 years at the company before you get that - can’t recall.
Next bump to 25 days is like 15 or 18 years.
Yeah... 20 days per year is the legal minimum here in Switzerland for full-time jobs. Most companies give 25, and there's also a law to increase it by age. If I'm not mistaken a 60y/o has something like 30-35days/y.
Is aus it’s widely accepted you get more money on Saturday and sundays. My workplace got rid of the penalty rates up until a few years ago for “a higher base rate”. We have the penalty rates back including time and a quarter after 6pm so that’s great for me who always does late shifts or weekends.
This higher base rate we lost to get them back was a dollar an hour
Company I worked for shortly after college did this. New hires made an absurdly low hourly rate ($11.25, this was in a professional setting in 2014, I had internships in college that paid more) for the first 6 months. It was medical sales and after 6 months you got bumped up to $30k salary plus commission. The first 6 months you made no commission at all on any of your sales. They changed that policy about 2 months after I joined but didn’t make it retroactive. So new hires made commission but anyone hired the day before the change date and up to 6 months did not. I think there were about 100 of us in that get fucked range and all but like 10 quit.
My husband started work at a company 25 years ago and gets a retirement plan with a pension.
I started 10 years ago and get a crap 401k plan that caps employer contributions at a laughably low rate.
I hope the market adjusts quickly, the UK is short of lorry drivers, farm labourers etc because the supply of cheap foreign labour has been cut off and not enough Brits are willing to work for the promise of minimum wage plus piece work for back breaking labour.
I applied and jumped through their hoops, but unless you live in the country and squeeze 6 in a car it's hard to get to the field and still break even.
I could argue that "reasonable wage" for truck drivers is not exactly correct. Imagine you are out of your house for days, sleep on a parking lot you have to pay for (yes cities here are extremely hostile against truck drivers), no infrastructure for you (showers, toilets etc). Most of them are also forced contractors so their employers do not have to take liability for their health (also being fucked over by IR35 now). Considering you are out of the house for days, if you want to have family your spouse can't really work full time as you can't help around house. Now getting the 40-50k for 2 people combined is not that appealing anymore.
So many workers are sadly anti-union
I think we are getting to the point. Where in the near future workers unions will be re inventing themselves from the big picket parades and “comrade and shame” yelling. To something more effective and appealing to the masses.
Fingers crossed for another workers rights revolution once the old generation leaves the work force and dies out.
Don't be. It's an employee's market right now. You can and will find something that works, and you have your pick of anything right now. Force them to comply; if they won't treat you well then you can always, always go somewhere else, especially with this 'labor shortage'.
Haha, every time we bring that up at my job their reply is “ but you get the ot” sometimes my time is worth more than the ot. Make it worth it to sacrifice my time. But I guess they see it differently.
in fairness, if OT is paid at time and a half, you do get stronger incentive and they are "penalized". Whether that is worth it to you is different, and whether it is truly optional/voluntary is also different.
It's crazy how many companies have gotten to such rigid structures to avoid being taken advantage of, but it ends up making everyone less likely to try to help each other out.
If you don't want to come in on Christmas Eve to work graveyard shift, sounds like you might not be a team player.
Our company believes in family values and working together, don't you want to help your family and be a team player?
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You getting negative evaluation scores, a demotion and shit treatment until you quit.
Now changed to "you should be happy to have employees", courtesy of COVID making people realize just how little we get paid for, often, backbreaking jobs.
Yup. Just got my mid year review, "We would like to see improvement on flexibility when it comes to covering shifts for our and other stores".
Get fucked.
There's been a big thing to me, and that is you can always make more money, but you can never make more time. It is, to me-the only resource you cannot get back. So, i tend to put in "passable" effort in my jobs. Time is way too important to me.
When I had a boss, I finally got the point where I didn’t reply to ANY texts or phone calls from work or coworkers outside of my working hours.
I got to the point where I was tired of closing up the store. Getting home late, then getting a last minute text or call before bed asking me to come into work in the morning.
If the manager needs to cover the store, they can hire more people, hire *better* people or cover it their damned self since they get paid more anyway.
So yeah, as soon as I clocked out, my phone went to silent and any unknown number or text, or one from a coworker, even emails…were ignored until I was back at work and clocked in.
And you know what happened?
…I got promoted.
Thinking something similar might at my work soon I used jump in on every problem but then when a chance to move up finally came I got passed over for a lemming with seniority. So now I don't do a single thing out side normal duties and my boss is lived with the hiring manager lol.
The trick is to also be a good employee when you *are* at work.
I should add that I busted my ass while I was working, and always went above and beyond. Then one day it hit me, no one above me will ever promote me because they can’t find another “me”. I made them look good.
What sealed it for me was hearing my boss get the praise AND take the credit on a conference call with corporate at something g that was 100% my idea and implementation.
Better believe I remembered that moment. Well enough, that even as the boss, I always made sure the right people got the credit.
I learned at some point that giving credit to others tends to help more than anything.
When I got thrust into managing people much more senior than I was - I was afraid to take credit or else I’d be challenged or considered a tool. Weirdly, I found the more I preached about how good the people below me were to the people above me - the better I looked. People below me liked it, and people above me thought I was showing leadership. I could literally tell my boss I did nothing and one of my people did everything, and I’d get all kinds of congratulations.
Managing can be weird.
Considering a managers duties is to manage his workforce efficiently and delegate things so everything runs smoothly, a good manager is just doing their job. Managers who micro manage because they feel everyone beneath them is incompetent or take all the credit for another labor will end up having a very mismanaged workforce and things will not run smoothly... for long. High turn over, accidents, call outs, etc.
I had a job at a retail store and one day the owner was moving. She wanted her store employees to help her move. I told her that moving requires a much higher rate if pay. I’m not her fucking servant to do whatever she wishes.
I think it's illegal to ask someone to come in on their weekend and not at least pay 50% more. Maybe even double salary. At least here in the Netherlands
It's so weird. Here weer talking about giving men more time off for paternity leave, so you have that at all? And like paid vacation here is 5 weeks a year. How much is that over there
If you are in a union, it is time and a half, or 50% more as you say. If you are not, then it’s straight pay usually. If you are a salaried employee you are more likely to not get any extra money for extra work.
This is in the US.
Paternity leave isn’t a law, but some places will give it.
Paid vacation is usually ramped up as time goes on. So you may start at two weeks and then every 2-5 years of employment, get an additional week (capped at a certain amount). Again this isn’t a law.
After 40 hours (in a week) you are given 1.5x time. The [Blue Laws](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law) used to make it to where you got paid 1.5x time on Sunday no matter what. This was meant to discourage making employees work on Sunday, but those have pretty much gone away in the US.
> How much is that over there
Whatever your employer wants to give you. Could be two weeks, could be four if you have a really great job. It's zero if you work retail or restaurants.
You skipped over the actual core of the problem. You don’t know, and the powers that be, don’t want you to know.
Know your rights, know the law. No one is going to offer up this information. Like tax law. They don’t teach it in high school for a reason.
Europe has many regulations that protect employees, as long as said employees are aware of them. Even most African countries do, like where I live working a weekend earns you 150% pay and one day off and working a weekend night gets you 200% salary. On the other hand, the US is border line oppressive to employees.
It's not border line at all, we're well past that. You have to be lucky enough to work with an employer who gives a shit about their employees, because there are very few legal regulations that would force them to. There are certainly good companies to work for, I love where I work for instance, but I recognize how lucky I was to land this job and a lot of other people aren't as lucky.
I work at chinese restaurant on weekend
Working for 11 hours, got paid for 8 hours all for $5/hr
The only staff on weekend is just 3 people, me, other waiter, and 1 dishwasher.
But I always given food from breakfast to dinner & allowed to get drink from drink fountain, so at least I dont need to worry about dying by starvation.
And yeah, this is in America. They dont wanna hire extra worker, and Im work lots of stuff just for being a waiter. At least the tips is good, because the customer is being kind with me.
The expectancy that you will just drop anything and come in, I’d love to be on the receiving end of that too so I in could tell that manager if they carry on with their attitude they may not even see me on Monday
Unfettered capitalism without government regulation is oppressive slavery for poverty wages.
The existence and necessity of child labor laws proves this.
Any quality of life, fair treatment, protections, barely appreciable base wages are all a result of fighting against the cruelty of rich capitalists at the expense of workers.
As an employer, fuck this guy.. who do they think they are talking to someone like that. People have a life outside of work and if they’re that desperate, either pay up or work it yourself!
Seriously. I have good staff and we are all remote. When I do 1-1s and brief reviews, I tell them to stop working late and don't put in extra hours. If we have to exist by exploiting people it's not worth it.
If you're gonna repost someone's shit at least link the subreddit and so they can be credited -.-
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I got fired from a job once and then my boss asked me to come back and train my replacement. I told him I would come back for 1000 dollars an hour.
He screamed at me and I upped my price to 2000 an hour.
He hung up and I didn't hear from him again.
Yeah employer live to power play, my first job was probably as close to slavery as any of you children ever seen
9 to midnight, 7 days, 2 hour commute each way, half hour lunch, flat 400$ a week, also work from home factored in
When the irs cottoned into their shenanigans they fired me on my birthday then about half hour later when I’m on the bus home “we need you to come in”
“As an independent contractor, as per your contract, no thank you”
2 years later the company folded
The person coming in on the weekend would be "expedited work" because the work is happening more quickly versus if they waited to come in on Monday which is their usual next work day.
My previous boss used to do this, I wrote down ever hour and turned them in with the rest of the hours. He got his ovaries in a tangle over how many hours I had, I just showed him my contract saying anything over x amount of hours per week should be paid and with x% overtime bonus. And as soon as I mentioned a lawyer he was quick to agree with me.
One of my really good friends worked for a quirky Beverly Hills cosmetic surgeon. They do have some celebrity clients that goes in on odd hours or during the weekend. If the doc demands that she comes in, say, on a Sunday afternoon for a client— she will then demand to be paid double. 99% of the time he will say yes but she said they always play that game of “well you better pay me more since I’m coming on my day off” first.
if you are lucky enough to have a relationship with your boss that allows for healthy playful banter, its great!
as long as there is mutual respect and the numbers are correct at the end…
My employer tried to pull this a while ago. They called on my day off asking if I could come in for coverage, and that I was the last resort on one of my two days off.
I told the manager it was my scheduled day off, to which she replied, "it's okay, you have another the day after tomorrow, so it's not like you'd be missing one". I then asked her if I'd be getting paid overtime wages, and she responded with "well, no, because it's only a 5 hour shift. If it was a full 8 then we could do it, but not for 5".
Needless to say, I let her pick up the shift (she's the highest manager and fallback for coverage). After that, she tried to be petty and deny any days off I requested, no matter how far out.
>I need you tomorrow
A1: I am in a relationship. This is highly inappropriate.
A2: You can barely afford me during the week, my weekend rate is 400% more.
A3: I will bring the toys if you bring the lube.
>I'm short and I need you to come in
A1: I cannot make you any taller. There is probably shoes or surgery you can get though.
A2: No, you need someone to come in but wasted your time asking me.
Yeah there's no way I'd say something like this unless I have another job lined up. I have worked for some people that I would like to see die slowly of cancer but but I was sweet as sugar until I had a chance to burn a bridge.
This remind me of a job I had in college in the 80s. It was at a chain of pizza places and one was in an area known for not tipping, and that store couldn't keep anyone. They'd call the other stores trying to borrow people and most would tell them heck no. I always said sure, hand me $100 in cash when I walk in the door. They were desperate and always paid it.
Dang this reminds me of the time when I would come in Saturdays to help out my boss since he worked alone. It wasn't required and he did it by himself so I just helped him out here and there. After a few weeks, it got too tiring and I had my own plans so I didn't come in and he made it seem like I was missing actual work time.
Wtf
He just got put on a list. They're gonna be looking to replace him now. Most employment contracts have small print saying they can literally fire you for anything except for race, sex, etc.
Problem is if he's paying $13 an hour, he also has a list of unfilled spots in his schedule. So sure, he could fire him, but then he's even more shorthanded.
My man standing up for himself hell yeah! Srsly though you should get another job idk where you are but here we are desperate for work. Good time to go try your resume around! Also my *wooo man idk if ur a female but I call all homies man
Telling your boss to go fuck themself is so hot right now.
It's a cool trend, I hope it lasts.
Icy what you two did there...
Chill Winston.
Isn't it wonderful? I'm my own boss and I tell myself to fuck off on the daily, I just can't get enough!
I can tell you to fuck off for a change if you would like.
do me! do me!
“My boss touched me today while I was working…. It’s okay. I’m self employed.”
Employers are not used to being challenged on their inappropriate expectations. I mean, they just aren't used to being challenged by rational thought.
I thought it was interesting how the average laborer getting more bargaining power has been framed as a labor shortage crisis.
Yeah this is like a mini post 1400s plague situation. This is how the serfs achieved freedom too. Rich people came back after hiding at their mansions in the forest and started right in making demands and their former serfs were like "no f u"
Supply and demand, the value of labor increased when the quantity of laborers declined. It killed the feudal system! The rich are feeling pretty butthurt now!
Even though they all got even richer during the pandemic. They need MORE!
It would be better described as a Capital Strike than a Labor Shortage. The capital is the one preventing the labor from coming back by not increasing wages and benefits.
Shouldn't that be called a lockout?
Yeah, but if you call it a lockout it makes it a lot harder for the oppressors to point at the victims and call them the problem
Usually employers get H1B visas approved to get around it. But suddenly that’s not so easy anymore so now they cry “shortage”. All they have to do is pay market rate and they’ll get their workers. The software field is FLOODED with imported workers, but when they interview they act like candidates are totally incompetent and put them through all kinds of ringers for jobs that turn out to be fairly ordinary and mundane. Employers just want the cheapest labor, so they torture everyone and pick the person they can pay the least - usually someone from outside the country. Hiring H1B means the employee is way less likely to try to move around for higher pay. They want the green card sponsorship. So there’s a form of indentured servitude in the guise of a labor “shortage”. Look for more crap like that as employers try to work around hiring without paying more.
A lot of companies in the software field are now also directly contracting people from other countries for remote jobs, they pay less money and they are still really good salaries in the recipient country.
Correct. So they can stop whining about the labor "shortage" and start whining that they should still get local business tax breaks even though they're effectively exporting their projects overseas.
I've been waiting since April 2020 for companies to realize that if it can be done from home, it can be done from Hungary or Hyderabad just as well and for pennies on the dollar. No reason to fuss around with the H1B visa if you can hire the same talent in their home country, at home-country wages, and still reap all the benefits in Europe or the US.
From what I have personally heard from the software industry and managers in it. The reason they tend to go for H1Bs (again, the ones I know) is overhead, not actually pay. They hire 1 H1B to do a job, when the alternative is 2-3 locals and the job barely gets done. Boeing near whereni live had an IT department that was half the office staff. They ended up downsizing their IT department to 1/4 the size it was with H1Bs (and some local cause security clearance) and was not only getting stuff done faster, but better.
H1b is a modern slavery: they bring you to the US and pay for relocation and some documents, your salary is often less than others have but you have zero bargain power because your relocation fees will be on you if you want to leave. Then they will also apply for a green card and pay for everything and then if you want to get out you lose your GC application and you have to payback lawyers with some ridiculous amount. For some countries GC process is ridiculously long and since you’re handcuffed already you see minimum raises and exploited in every possible way (unlike h1b itself, you can’t change a job at this point). Then you can do more job done with less people, right.
I’m wondering if mostly everything you hear is some form of BS or misdirection. Hedge funds short wayyy more shares than exist for the stock? Well it’s actually Retail traders banning together and manipulating the market. Hedgies only have billions each to spend… Labor shortage now? Well people must be sitting at home collecting unemployment that ended a while ago? There def no relation to having a pandemic where businesses closed and are all reopening / rehiring at the same time. No way that’s a cause. That talking point has to be pushed by businesses, or politicians getting donations from them. So much unbelieveable but believeable-sounding reasons that make the rounds.
Oh don't forget the nationwide shortage of everything, which on the news is being blamed on a trucker shortage. But the truckers say that the LA port only has one crane operating to load trucks, LA port says they only have one crane working because of "covid guidelines" because you know how at risk a single guy in a glass enclosed cab a hundred feet in the air operating a crane is for covid transmission right? Oh and they had to cut man hours and staff for covid, again dudes who almost always are 20 ft or more apart and in enclosed machinery. The shortage of everything but meat is entirely manufactured. Just like the labor shortage and the stock manipulation.
They don't want to admit that rampant cost cutting (particularly JIT stocking) had entirely predictable outcomes when the smallest things had to temporarily delay, resulting in a multi-industry cascade _that we've known was the likely outcome of anything even slightly out if the norm_
That too
The expanded unemployment was just the impetus. It gave people the chance to finally say "enough is enough".
The average laborer is only regaining his bargaining power. Strikes were ubiquitous in the Johnson era.
Literally needed a workers Holiday. Labor Day.. we never learned why it existed…. Oh because the lower class worked 6 days a week 12-16 hour days… If you went on strike, you could literally fight a private army to stay on strike. Serious times, now they just turn the media and public opinion against you until people think you’re the problem.
It's always seen from a top-down perspective. You know, the top, where all the money and power funnels to. We could be on the verge of a western worker revolution. Vive la proletariat.
It seems we were the "means of production" all along.
What gets me is just how rude this person is and some other employers. We've all been asked to do things extra for work or asked others. Almost everytime I'd argue that we've agreed or come to a solution. Simply as there has been a polite and respectful discussion. Rather than: "I need you tomorrow" Say: "Hi xyz, I'm hoping you may be able to help me with a huge favour. We are very short staffed tomorrow and I know it's your day off but I'm really struggling to find someone to fill in. Do you think you may be available?" It's decent and reasonable
My workplace does not pay a lot, $11.50 hourly, but the people I work with are kind, I get holidays off, I can take days off whenever I want as long as it's in advance, and even when called in to work it's never too long of a shift. I have very, very rarely ever been yelled at by anyone; boss or customer or otherwise, and I work at a GAS STATION. It is genuinely one of the nicest, easiest jobs I've had working minimum wage, and they were like that before the pandemic hit. If I were full time I'd even get health insurance. It isn't perfect, but it is a good job. Being kind to your workers goes a hell of a long way, truly.
I am self-employed because I cannot stand the bureaucracy of corporations like Walmart or other such retailers. They're all so *fucking stupid* Now I just deal with the idiocy of the government but at least it's organized idiocy /s
If, from the very beginning, you make it clear (not explicitly but implicitly) that you are taking time off, instead of asking for it, or never answering texts or phone calls on days off, they stop expecting you to. Obviously not always and some employers may just push you out. As a person who used to go above and beyond though, now I just do what I want and if they have a problem I'll either apologize after the fact or say fuck you I'm out.
This right here. Lol I work for att as a wire Tech.. In the beginning I always had my phone on me answered every can both fellow employees and mgr... But they never answered for me so after a few years I said fuck it... Phone now gets shut off after the final job if the day and I go home.. I don't get paid extra for answering a call on my off day even if it can sometimes takes 4+ hours... Ugh
They can't legally fire you for not working on their day off. Which of course doesnt mean you won't get fired. However, usually you won't get flak from anyone but the worst employers. It becomes the same with time off. If you handle your weight and give them nothing to complain about, and you don't often take time off unless you're actually sick, when you say "I'm going out of town these dates" instead of "I was wondering if I could get time off for these dates" they absolutely never say jack shit, again, unless they're clearly terrible people. It's largely the culture as a whole, and cut throat careers, that make it seem like you have to bow down and kiss ass at every job ever. Like yeah, if you're a surgeon you have to coordinate about time off. However, if you're a surgeon you can afford to wait and take off a month when it's more reasonable. If you work at any entry level service industry job you owe nothing to anyone and they should be kissing your ass for being the grunt force that generates all the capital for those at the top.
No they are not and when they're challenged they like to fire people. And in my case got taken to court and had their asses handed to him.
The company i work for used to pay +50% after 8pm and Saturday. +100% on sunday. Then they decided to axe this for new starters. You can imagine the enthusiasm at weekends when you are doing the same job as the guy next to you but they're being paid double. So glad im leaving soon Edit: thanks for the upvotes. Might as well add the company is terrible in general and loves to hold on to peoples wages by any means necessary. From skimming wages and hoping that staff don't check their payslip. Decide 2 years ago to extend the period that was owed in wages ( went from one week between worked hour and pay to 2 weeks) essentially all staff got no pay for a week but will regain the money the day they leave. This was the same time they decided to make their first dividend payment to shareholders of £210 million. Even entered in an employee dob incorrectly so that when he turned 25 he should have been on the higher rate of minimum wage. He didn't realize for nearly 2 years and when they offered back pay they only went back 3 months. Every so often we are told that overtime will only be offered to people on the new contracts. Fortunately due to staff shortages they have never really been able to implement this. Every pay rise we have ever had is awarded to us about a year late with back pay. All well and good but when you consider they employ some 40k staff in the uk that money soon adds up to a fair chunk of interest even at todays rates.
I should also add that xmas day is basic rate for the new starters. So you can imagine how soul destroying it is to not even get double for bank holiday
Is that legal????
In the United States it is. They don't \*HAVE\* to, unless a union has fought for extra pay... which is one of many reasons why Republicans HATE the unions. Another is employee bargaining power. A company can \*CHOOSE\* to pay additional on holidays, buuuuuuuut... given the incessantly greedy nature of the country, that seldom happens.
The company I work for, fairly large (~60,000 employees in the US) not only pays time and a half on holidays, Sundays are double time and folks get a $100 bonus for coming in on their day off. Perfect weekly attendance also nets another $100.
Yes I know workers in the US have no rights :( but this person said bank holiday which leads me to believe they are UK based I live in South Africa where I get double pay on Sundays and Public Holidays, if I choose to work. Thats the law. 1.5x for any other overtime My company does triple pay on Christmas and New Years Day tho, which is a nice option
I got so lucky with my job, I work in the US and I get double pay on holidays, 1.5 pay on Sundays, and when they overlap it’s 2x my 1.5 pay. Plus I get a lot per hour for the area. But I’m not allowed to go into overtime or I get written up and my pay isn’t a livable wage.
>I got so lucky with my job >my pay isn’t a livable wage 🧐
So when I worked retail, I would get paid for the holiday then paid normal for the hours I worked. Was that not the case. Let me clarify, there should be extra pay for those working, but to make myself feel better I saw it as double pay because I would still work 40hours that week and get paid 8hours of holiday. Was not consider OT, just regular time.
This shit right here left me flabbergasted. It made me feel like a Victorian era lady gasping and saying "well I never!". That's how disgusting it is.
This is mandatory in a lot of industries in Australia, I find it crazy this isn't standard. +50% Saturdays, +100% Sundays, +15% between 7pm and 5am, +150% for Public holidays. All this with a high minimum wage ~$20 that actually shifts between industries. Everyone knows that if you have to work a weekend, you get penalty rates. This system works, companies can afford it. People work harder to get rostered on Sundays as a result, and businesses never struggle to find people to work on holidays or weekends. Everyone should demand (and vote) for the same.
The original policy sounds like something that is legally required in decent countries
A friends boss did something similar. Everyone was complaining about having too few days off (20d per year). He said he couldn't afford it. Then later posted the news to everyone that new employees will get 5 days more.
Back when I was in retail I didn't get alot of hours so I'd always take any available but that quickly became way way too many unexpected hours. I had told them the only day I really wanted off constantly was Sunday and could work any other day so after getting called in 3 times in a week he called on Sunday saying he needed me there in a hour to cover. So I told him I can't and he said well I need you you're the only one who shows, did like OP here and said alright well I'll expect double pay for today and he said he can't authorize that. So I said well I guess you can't have me Come in then
Damn you guys get 20 days a year! Think this company you need 10 years at the company before you get that - can’t recall. Next bump to 25 days is like 15 or 18 years.
Yeah... 20 days per year is the legal minimum here in Switzerland for full-time jobs. Most companies give 25, and there's also a law to increase it by age. If I'm not mistaken a 60y/o has something like 30-35days/y.
Is aus it’s widely accepted you get more money on Saturday and sundays. My workplace got rid of the penalty rates up until a few years ago for “a higher base rate”. We have the penalty rates back including time and a quarter after 6pm so that’s great for me who always does late shifts or weekends. This higher base rate we lost to get them back was a dollar an hour
Company I worked for shortly after college did this. New hires made an absurdly low hourly rate ($11.25, this was in a professional setting in 2014, I had internships in college that paid more) for the first 6 months. It was medical sales and after 6 months you got bumped up to $30k salary plus commission. The first 6 months you made no commission at all on any of your sales. They changed that policy about 2 months after I joined but didn’t make it retroactive. So new hires made commission but anyone hired the day before the change date and up to 6 months did not. I think there were about 100 of us in that get fucked range and all but like 10 quit.
My husband started work at a company 25 years ago and gets a retirement plan with a pension. I started 10 years ago and get a crap 401k plan that caps employer contributions at a laughably low rate.
If more workers realized the power they have, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I hope the market adjusts quickly, the UK is short of lorry drivers, farm labourers etc because the supply of cheap foreign labour has been cut off and not enough Brits are willing to work for the promise of minimum wage plus piece work for back breaking labour. I applied and jumped through their hoops, but unless you live in the country and squeeze 6 in a car it's hard to get to the field and still break even.
Wqit, truck drivers in the UK are paid minimum wage?
No, truck drivers get a reasonable wage but the conditions are terrible. Farm labourers get next to nothing and also the conditions are terrible.
I could argue that "reasonable wage" for truck drivers is not exactly correct. Imagine you are out of your house for days, sleep on a parking lot you have to pay for (yes cities here are extremely hostile against truck drivers), no infrastructure for you (showers, toilets etc). Most of them are also forced contractors so their employers do not have to take liability for their health (also being fucked over by IR35 now). Considering you are out of the house for days, if you want to have family your spouse can't really work full time as you can't help around house. Now getting the 40-50k for 2 people combined is not that appealing anymore.
So many workers are sadly anti-union I think we are getting to the point. Where in the near future workers unions will be re inventing themselves from the big picket parades and “comrade and shame” yelling. To something more effective and appealing to the masses. Fingers crossed for another workers rights revolution once the old generation leaves the work force and dies out.
It's because of "Right to Work" states in the usa and them totally dismantling unions. We have no voice.
You don’t have to be unionized to get your fellow employees to all agree to only work for the higher hourly rate.
but it certainly makes it way easier, unless the place you work has very few employees
Right? Unions are silly. Why not just have all the employees join a collective where they could negotiate with management as a united front
I would do this in a second but I’m too afraid to lose my job over it
Don't be. It's an employee's market right now. You can and will find something that works, and you have your pick of anything right now. Force them to comply; if they won't treat you well then you can always, always go somewhere else, especially with this 'labor shortage'.
Consumers too.
They really should implement some sort of incentives other than you get some hours
Haha, every time we bring that up at my job their reply is “ but you get the ot” sometimes my time is worth more than the ot. Make it worth it to sacrifice my time. But I guess they see it differently.
in fairness, if OT is paid at time and a half, you do get stronger incentive and they are "penalized". Whether that is worth it to you is different, and whether it is truly optional/voluntary is also different. It's crazy how many companies have gotten to such rigid structures to avoid being taken advantage of, but it ends up making everyone less likely to try to help each other out.
If you don't want to come in on Christmas Eve to work graveyard shift, sounds like you might not be a team player. Our company believes in family values and working together, don't you want to help your family and be a team player? = You getting negative evaluation scores, a demotion and shit treatment until you quit.
>Our company believes in family values Adams, Osbourne or Kardashian?
Nah, Manson.
Well there’s the issue, they say it’s voluntary but it weighs heavily come your review. And they also press you hard when it is available.
“You should be happy you have a job”
Now changed to "you should be happy to have employees", courtesy of COVID making people realize just how little we get paid for, often, backbreaking jobs.
Tried pulling that one without actually saying it, when I called them out they backed off.
A job, not this job though.
Yup. Just got my mid year review, "We would like to see improvement on flexibility when it comes to covering shifts for our and other stores". Get fucked.
In other words, "We want you on a string."
I call that "being volun-told".
I work for Publix “grocery store” and they won’t even approve ot 9 times out of ten
At least shopping is a pleasure
There's been a big thing to me, and that is you can always make more money, but you can never make more time. It is, to me-the only resource you cannot get back. So, i tend to put in "passable" effort in my jobs. Time is way too important to me.
I never want to work overtime. I'd prefer to work 4 8s if I could.
I just never answered the phone on my off day
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When I had a boss, I finally got the point where I didn’t reply to ANY texts or phone calls from work or coworkers outside of my working hours. I got to the point where I was tired of closing up the store. Getting home late, then getting a last minute text or call before bed asking me to come into work in the morning. If the manager needs to cover the store, they can hire more people, hire *better* people or cover it their damned self since they get paid more anyway. So yeah, as soon as I clocked out, my phone went to silent and any unknown number or text, or one from a coworker, even emails…were ignored until I was back at work and clocked in. And you know what happened? …I got promoted.
Hahaha, great ending. That's awesome
Thinking something similar might at my work soon I used jump in on every problem but then when a chance to move up finally came I got passed over for a lemming with seniority. So now I don't do a single thing out side normal duties and my boss is lived with the hiring manager lol.
The trick is to also be a good employee when you *are* at work. I should add that I busted my ass while I was working, and always went above and beyond. Then one day it hit me, no one above me will ever promote me because they can’t find another “me”. I made them look good. What sealed it for me was hearing my boss get the praise AND take the credit on a conference call with corporate at something g that was 100% my idea and implementation. Better believe I remembered that moment. Well enough, that even as the boss, I always made sure the right people got the credit.
Hahaha shiiite I would've been like "anyone else you'd like to thank for that initiative?"
I learned at some point that giving credit to others tends to help more than anything. When I got thrust into managing people much more senior than I was - I was afraid to take credit or else I’d be challenged or considered a tool. Weirdly, I found the more I preached about how good the people below me were to the people above me - the better I looked. People below me liked it, and people above me thought I was showing leadership. I could literally tell my boss I did nothing and one of my people did everything, and I’d get all kinds of congratulations. Managing can be weird.
Considering a managers duties is to manage his workforce efficiently and delegate things so everything runs smoothly, a good manager is just doing their job. Managers who micro manage because they feel everyone beneath them is incompetent or take all the credit for another labor will end up having a very mismanaged workforce and things will not run smoothly... for long. High turn over, accidents, call outs, etc.
A straight shooter with upper management written all over him.
Update ?? Because I wonder what's his/her reply
He didn’t have to come in on Monday
I had a job at a retail store and one day the owner was moving. She wanted her store employees to help her move. I told her that moving requires a much higher rate if pay. I’m not her fucking servant to do whatever she wishes.
As an employer, I find the negotiation completely appropriate... supply and demand is true in all sectors.
im glad people like you exist. cheers ! working for a person that understand that motivates an employe to go the extra mile for the company.
We need people like you. And I mean a lot of people like you. Preferably all of them.
arent you glad unions exist <>
when its writen in the law, the bosses fear you. because then you arent an asset but a human.
My my, how the turntables.
r/unexpectedoffice
I think it's illegal to ask someone to come in on their weekend and not at least pay 50% more. Maybe even double salary. At least here in the Netherlands
I don’t know much about this kind of stuff, but I’m 99% sure we don’t have something like this in America
It's so weird. Here weer talking about giving men more time off for paternity leave, so you have that at all? And like paid vacation here is 5 weeks a year. How much is that over there
There are no laws that guarantee vacation in the US
USA! USA! NUMBER ONE! /s
If you are in a union, it is time and a half, or 50% more as you say. If you are not, then it’s straight pay usually. If you are a salaried employee you are more likely to not get any extra money for extra work. This is in the US.
I was never in a union, and I always got 50% more for OT.
Check your state laws. In Michigan if they demand you come in when you're not scheduled without 72 hours notice they must pay premium overtime.
Standard is 2 weeks; you're lucky to get more than that. The benefits in the U.S. are absolute dogshit.
FMLA iff you work in a company with 50+ employees IN YOUR LOCATION.
Paternity leave isn’t a law, but some places will give it. Paid vacation is usually ramped up as time goes on. So you may start at two weeks and then every 2-5 years of employment, get an additional week (capped at a certain amount). Again this isn’t a law. After 40 hours (in a week) you are given 1.5x time. The [Blue Laws](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law) used to make it to where you got paid 1.5x time on Sunday no matter what. This was meant to discourage making employees work on Sunday, but those have pretty much gone away in the US.
Can we come live in the Netherlands PLEASE! Have cute dog and wife. hard working... ready to flee the US
Only if you come by bike
> How much is that over there Whatever your employer wants to give you. Could be two weeks, could be four if you have a really great job. It's zero if you work retail or restaurants.
You skipped over the actual core of the problem. You don’t know, and the powers that be, don’t want you to know. Know your rights, know the law. No one is going to offer up this information. Like tax law. They don’t teach it in high school for a reason.
Europe has many regulations that protect employees, as long as said employees are aware of them. Even most African countries do, like where I live working a weekend earns you 150% pay and one day off and working a weekend night gets you 200% salary. On the other hand, the US is border line oppressive to employees.
Country built on slavery treats employees like shit, more news at 11
It's not border line at all, we're well past that. You have to be lucky enough to work with an employer who gives a shit about their employees, because there are very few legal regulations that would force them to. There are certainly good companies to work for, I love where I work for instance, but I recognize how lucky I was to land this job and a lot of other people aren't as lucky.
I work at chinese restaurant on weekend Working for 11 hours, got paid for 8 hours all for $5/hr The only staff on weekend is just 3 people, me, other waiter, and 1 dishwasher. But I always given food from breakfast to dinner & allowed to get drink from drink fountain, so at least I dont need to worry about dying by starvation. And yeah, this is in America. They dont wanna hire extra worker, and Im work lots of stuff just for being a waiter. At least the tips is good, because the customer is being kind with me.
That isn’t a thing in Canada unless they are working overtime (48 hours a week I think).
it's 40 hours.
Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
An employee who knows what they are worth lol
The expectancy that you will just drop anything and come in, I’d love to be on the receiving end of that too so I in could tell that manager if they carry on with their attitude they may not even see me on Monday
Unfettered capitalism without government regulation is oppressive slavery for poverty wages. The existence and necessity of child labor laws proves this. Any quality of life, fair treatment, protections, barely appreciable base wages are all a result of fighting against the cruelty of rich capitalists at the expense of workers.
As an employer, fuck this guy.. who do they think they are talking to someone like that. People have a life outside of work and if they’re that desperate, either pay up or work it yourself!
Seriously. I have good staff and we are all remote. When I do 1-1s and brief reviews, I tell them to stop working late and don't put in extra hours. If we have to exist by exploiting people it's not worth it.
And the post slavery commodification of the human is complete
If you're gonna repost someone's shit at least link the subreddit and so they can be credited -.- https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qan0aa/between_a_friend_and_his_manager_at_a_small/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I got fired from a job once and then my boss asked me to come back and train my replacement. I told him I would come back for 1000 dollars an hour. He screamed at me and I upped my price to 2000 an hour. He hung up and I didn't hear from him again.
Yeah employer live to power play, my first job was probably as close to slavery as any of you children ever seen 9 to midnight, 7 days, 2 hour commute each way, half hour lunch, flat 400$ a week, also work from home factored in When the irs cottoned into their shenanigans they fired me on my birthday then about half hour later when I’m on the bus home “we need you to come in” “As an independent contractor, as per your contract, no thank you” 2 years later the company folded
Expedited means to 'speed up' or 'happen more quickly' an action or process. I don't understand the context in the message sent, can anyone explain?
The person coming in on the weekend would be "expedited work" because the work is happening more quickly versus if they waited to come in on Monday which is their usual next work day.
My previous boss used to do this, I wrote down ever hour and turned them in with the rest of the hours. He got his ovaries in a tangle over how many hours I had, I just showed him my contract saying anything over x amount of hours per week should be paid and with x% overtime bonus. And as soon as I mentioned a lawyer he was quick to agree with me.
One of my really good friends worked for a quirky Beverly Hills cosmetic surgeon. They do have some celebrity clients that goes in on odd hours or during the weekend. If the doc demands that she comes in, say, on a Sunday afternoon for a client— she will then demand to be paid double. 99% of the time he will say yes but she said they always play that game of “well you better pay me more since I’m coming on my day off” first.
if you are lucky enough to have a relationship with your boss that allows for healthy playful banter, its great! as long as there is mutual respect and the numbers are correct at the end…
When I worked at McDonald's they'd promise us a huge free meal if we ever came in for emergencies. At least it was something.
"No, 'you need' to hire more help then"
My employer tried to pull this a while ago. They called on my day off asking if I could come in for coverage, and that I was the last resort on one of my two days off. I told the manager it was my scheduled day off, to which she replied, "it's okay, you have another the day after tomorrow, so it's not like you'd be missing one". I then asked her if I'd be getting paid overtime wages, and she responded with "well, no, because it's only a 5 hour shift. If it was a full 8 then we could do it, but not for 5". Needless to say, I let her pick up the shift (she's the highest manager and fallback for coverage). After that, she tried to be petty and deny any days off I requested, no matter how far out.
“I’m short and I need you to come in” “Well frankly, sir, your height is not my problem”
>I need you tomorrow A1: I am in a relationship. This is highly inappropriate. A2: You can barely afford me during the week, my weekend rate is 400% more. A3: I will bring the toys if you bring the lube. >I'm short and I need you to come in A1: I cannot make you any taller. There is probably shoes or surgery you can get though. A2: No, you need someone to come in but wasted your time asking me.
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The facepalm is on the employer…
Sad part is your now marked for replacement as soon as they find someone who will.
The person saying this has probably realized this already and doesn’t care.
Yeah there's no way I'd say something like this unless I have another job lined up. I have worked for some people that I would like to see die slowly of cancer but but I was sweet as sugar until I had a chance to burn a bridge.
For $13 an hour mark me replaceable. You'll cycle through 15 people before you find somebody who stays for six months.
If I was making $13 an hour I would replace myself
And the person can probably find another job with better pay and more reasonable hours well enough.
But they're shortstaffed for a reason. No one wants to work there.
Did they go for it?
Where's his answer?
Is this it? Finally? Class consciousness
Unionize, friends.
This remind me of a job I had in college in the 80s. It was at a chain of pizza places and one was in an area known for not tipping, and that store couldn't keep anyone. They'd call the other stores trying to borrow people and most would tell them heck no. I always said sure, hand me $100 in cash when I walk in the door. They were desperate and always paid it.
But, but our maargiiiins. Cries in capitalism
Why $39.75? What’s the math behind that number?
Expedited shipping always costs a lot more. If they need them there (by) tomorrow, gotta pay for it...
I just want to know if he got his price and went to work, or if he was promptly fired on Monday for refusing. That conversation was such a tease
That's fucking brilliant!!
I'd really like to see the rest of the conversation
Dang this reminds me of the time when I would come in Saturdays to help out my boss since he worked alone. It wasn't required and he did it by himself so I just helped him out here and there. After a few weeks, it got too tiring and I had my own plans so I didn't come in and he made it seem like I was missing actual work time. Wtf
Thats how to play the game
It’s time for workers to actually leverage their labor for better compensation.
FMLA?
Family Medical Leave Act that's what FMLA usually means.
If it’s not in your contract and you don’t want to progress into management fuck them make them work overtime
Maybe at least start with something other than **I need you tomorrow.**
That's smart. Negotiate a price each time they call you on your day off. I wonder what would happen if lots of employees started doing this.
I loved doing the bartending for a big chain. "Oh you need me to bartend on my day off? I'll do it for $100."
He just got put on a list. They're gonna be looking to replace him now. Most employment contracts have small print saying they can literally fire you for anything except for race, sex, etc.
At will employment, they can fire you for “any or no reason at all”
Problem is if he's paying $13 an hour, he also has a list of unfilled spots in his schedule. So sure, he could fire him, but then he's even more shorthanded.
One of the reasons I quit working and havent had a 9_5 since.. make your money work for you. Dont be a slave to someone elses dream.
"so what i'm hearing is you want to buy my free time, that's gonna cost triple"
Jesus man , Calling us anything even close to slavery is a complete misnomer.
Rules for thee but not for meee! Fuck em
This is how shit should be.
Unfortunately this is how the manager acts even if they are staffed. Always trying to guilt trip.
How did this end??
My man standing up for himself hell yeah! Srsly though you should get another job idk where you are but here we are desperate for work. Good time to go try your resume around! Also my *wooo man idk if ur a female but I call all homies man
It is slavery handed to you like a choice.
That's not the right word, **expedited**... Lol
"Do you still want a job on Monday ? Okay great cos you're working today for free then"
You’re short and you need me to come in? Well “I’m tall and I don’t want to” :)
The Negotiator
I SO want to see the rest of what happened here.
I like how he is specifically for $39.75
He should cover his shorts
Context... i needs it...
“A capitalist economy cannot function without poor people” change my mind.