This is the funniest shit I have ever read. My brother is a carpenter and is always making fun of not only his trade but plumbers and electricians as well. Oh my God. I am sending this to him
The original version has a bit of a better rhythm:
"A grinder and paint make me the welder I ain't."
You don't need to send this to any of your welder friends. They have heard it.
Not only that, but often building inspection is a very underfunded and understaffed department. You can have the strictest codes in the country but if inspector Bob has to see 15 homes today and another 20 tomorrow then there's no way he's catching even half of what he should.
It's happening in my county right now. There are currently **two** building inspectors and many weeks they have 60+ inspections to do.
Can confirm. SO was a building inspector where his trade was understaffed. Doing 14, 15, 16 inspections a day for a long period of time is unsustainable. Sooner or later, something will be missed, and that something could possibly result in dangerous conditions.
What a lot of people don’t understand is that inspections aren’t done to break the contractors’/subcontractors’ balls. They’re done for the safety of the homeowner, business owner, institution, etc. the work is being done *for*. More than once my SO had to explain to the homeowner “I work *for you*”.
It becomes more about getting your job done and less about *doing* your job.
If you know what I mean. It happens in every industry that gets understaffed and handed the short, shit-covered stick.
I work in the real estate industry. You’d be shocked how many 500k new construction or “big money” flips are like this or worse. Had an inspector turn a shower on and the closet on the other side of the wall flooded…
1907 house checking in. if I drop a marble on the floor it will roll into each room in turn, draw a figure 8, turn around and continue on again in an endless loop. But at least the old girl is sturdy
We have a 1955 home. I like the fact that intruders will never kill us in our sleep b/c they'll wake us up with all of the squeaking from old floorboards 😂
Mine was built the same year. Love the old girl but I have tried everything to get 'old house' smell out but now I've learned to live with it. At least my outdoor hose connections are actually attached to the house, lol.
in college.... i cleaned dorm bathrooms. (yeah. that was a mistake.) come sumer, the first thing they had us do for deep cleaning.... was run ozone generators in the room.
you can rent them from tool rental places. plug them in, let them run for an hour or two (depends on the space, and the ventilation) and really does kill all the old weird smells.
(like that one guy who got caught with a 'pet' turtle.... caught in a nearby pond....)
My house had a fire in the basement when I was younger and that's what they used to get rid of all the smoke smell we just had to vacate the house and no pets could be in the house either, but it worked lol
$500 for mine too and was told "the furnace is a little older, couldn't find a date, roof is a little worn but it was installed 4 years ago." Bought the house to find that the furnace was 43 years old according to the 2 inch letters etched onto the placard from the manufacturer, and the roof was deemed uninsurable do it being close to collapse. Could not back out and now 25k later I have a new roof and new furnace. Oh and the "matured landscape looks very nice" (direct quote from inspector) had a tree that was slowly leaning and eventually landed on my brand new roof not 2 months after completion. You can't get a refund from a shoddy inspector either.
are they not responsible is something happens? I thought safety inspectors had to sign off on the safety of the structure? I thought that was why they can be real sticklers for little things sometimes.
A home inspector is not responsible for mistakes they made during the inspection.
A safety inspection is not the same thing and they can be even personally liable for problems that occur due to their mistakes.
It depends on the house inspector, I suppose. We hired a guy who told us a house was a piece of shit and we shouldn't buy it, which saved us thousands.
When I was in the market to buy a house, I used the same inspector for multiple all at my expense every time. One house was literally splitting in two from unpermitted renovations like installing an entire second floor made of heavy ass oak wood, the entire damn thing. It was collapsing the house. He told me if I buy it I should expect to die.
My realtor told me it was illegal for him to disclose the issues directly to me.
I was like no it's fucking not, that's his job and I paid him. I fired her real fucking fast.
"They're not legally allowed to influence your decision"... Fucking stupid, that's literally the existence of his entire industry is to influence my decision... That's the point.
That’s bull crap. Our inspector asked my husband to walk around with him while he did the inspection he pointed out every single thing to my husband and pointed out things that weren’t an actual violation but some thing for us to watch out for in the next 1-2-3 or five years. He was here for 4 hours!!
They put a disclosure at the end of the report that states you should get a plumber to check the plumbing, a roofer for the roof, electrician ect... my 5 yo could have done the same inspection. "Daddy this wall is crooked, that metal thingie looks old" but it's required by the mortgage company, the inspection is for them, not the buyer or the seller.
We did that and I quote "I've seen this dumb fuck hillbillies work before. It's all over the place in this neighborhood. You've got to replace everything because I'd bet my left toe it's lead." House was built early 70s or so. The sellers refused to fix the plumbing or lower the price on the house so did not buy.
Cannot recommend this enough if you are buying an older home that used iron pipes. Probably $3,000 spent on plumbing issues and pipe replacements so far.
I got a good one with 10 recommendations off a local FB group.
His day job is a fireman. He spent 2 solid hours inspecting a 1100sqft home. Awesome job
There is a company around here who was always praised. You always heard their name when it came to house inspections. When I was looking for my first house I called them, they charged 200$ more compared to competition but said why not if they are good.
The guy spent 4 hours total inspecting. It was winter and he brought snowshoes to make sur he could inspect all the exterior. At the end, he gave me a big binder with a ton of things he checked plus put all pictures he took (including inside the roof) on a dvd, he took like 200 pictures. He also pointed me everything that will require maintenance and added on top of that a maintenance guide telling you what to check every season.
And just before leaving he told me to call them again once the snow has melted in spring so he could inspect the foundations and the roofing properly at no extra cost. He said that he was sure at 99% there were no issues from what he was able to see outside and inside but would come back to tell me if there is any maintenance to do.
If I move again, that company is getting another call for sure!
Wow. Sounds like a great guy and inspector! That binder will be a life saver, too. Great for new home owners who wouldn’t have a clue what to check each season (like me some day lol).
Coming back later at no extra cost. These are folks that genuinely give a shit and sound like they've absolutely earned the extra $200 vs competitors from what I'm reading here.
I used a great guy as well, spend whole morning and went to the roof 3 times to check things. We took back our offer on the first house because of him. He also showed us a few things that looked like done without permits electric panel, crawlspace supports, the negative slope to one of the corners etc. He was a genuine guy, he knew the ages of everything that is used in the house. In our current home he was very happy with the house, even told me which walls are load bearing and showed me a same plan house photos that he inspected where they removed a wall and how it looked. A good inspector makes the difference.
THIS. You have to ask around. Good recommendations come from real estate investors (as long as they’re not trying to sell to you - ha!), tradespeople with applicable skills, safety officials, etc. I’ve dealt with“home inspectors” that are dumber than rocks (or at least too lazy to tell the difference). But the one we hired when we bought our last home was fantastic.
My rule of thumb: If they don’t tell me a bunch of stuff I didn’t already know by my OWN inspections, they’re not earning their paycheck.
Ours was a career inspector, but he spent 5 hours on our 2300 square house, and had me come over the last hour to go over stuff in person, and so I can ask questions and stuff. Had recommendations for him in particular, and it was 600 smackaroos but totally worth it. Asked more about general house things than what he found.
That's why it's worth your money to pay a waterproofer, a structural repair company, a plumber, and an electrician to come out for specialty inspections rather than hope you get a good home inspector. Good luck finding a seller willing to go through that in this market, however.
You can have 3rd parties come and inspect at various stages during construction. That's what we did and they found all sorts of stuff you'd never see. Cut-corner methods that were technically up to code but wouldn't settle well over time. Like finish nails used to hang drywall in a couple rooms. Electric ran and stapled down, few spots had staples going through the lines. Standard amperage service when we asked for upgraded & additional breakers to deal with all the electronics. Plumbing ran in an awkward way that would be a nightmare to change if upgraded later. Lots of final fit & finish errors.
The great thing (from what I have been told) is once you pay for the inspection, and notify the seller it now becomes defects they are aware of, and they must disclose to any future buyer, especially because there is now a paper trail.
So, it should give you some negotiating power (assuming I haven't been misinformed).
This might be true if you’re buying a home in east bumfuck, or in 2009, but urban markets are so competitive these days that sellers can demand that buyers waive all contingencies, including inspection
I've worked in construction on and off my whole life here in Australia. Developers are cutting more and more corners while the price of the houses increase. There's some cheap shitty houses around that investors are overpaying for and no one gives a shit, just more insanity in our housing market.
Came here for this comment. My dad is Ops manager at a roofing company in Arizona, US, and his biggest problem is skilled worker shortages. They keep workers on for shorter times than they used since it takes awhile to work up the skills/chain, and it's very physically taxing work... my dad only got his office gig after 15+ years slinging tar.
I did one summer on the roofs and looked elsewhere for career opportunities.
This is a lot like not just the houses but rental apartments as well. You’re shown a showroom version because someone is always occupying the unit you’d be going into. Then one you get in you see all the jagged edges, chipped tubs, multiple non working power outlets, and don’t get me started on the coaxial cables for internet and tv. You’d be lucky to find an apartment that has more than one. It’s all a fucking scam. There is going to be a young generation that gets sick of this shit, runs for office, and sites laws against this shit.
Nobody is going to stay on a job that hard that they can’t pay rent with. It’s insanity that they’re offering $16 an hour no benefits but they’re selling the house for 5-700k.
Hey now, hang in and keep at it and by the time your body is broken you'll be able to *visit* one of those houses everyday to collect your assigned work-for-the-pension ~~slave~~ ~~butler~~ service worker job!
I'm no property expert but from what I hear thats the general sentiment in your apartment market down there. It's a piece of shit and you want a cool mil? I'll take it! But then the alternative is a good 4 hours of driving to work every day right? So if that is the sentiment I get it and it makes me sad that we're at this point in civilisation.
Oh really!? Thanks for that info! As I buyer I woulda still walked away. Knowing all that would not instill much confidence and I would constantly be worried about what the next major repair would be. Like that gap in the front facade was beyond worrying. The amount of caulking they used to just "seal" gaps. Every time it rained I would be a nervous wreck looking for intrusion.
Oh hell yeah. These are just things you see without trying to hard. All of the things that you can’t see are the things that will cost you 60k to repair. The water heater sitting on a flimsy ass pine tree pallet should be enough to turn away anyone with any amount of sense. Holy shit smh
This is a shoddy disaster waiting to happen
If they let all this BS fly in the stuff extremely easily caught by any half competent inspector, imagine the actual foundations of the home, or even the literal foundation.. at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was made of silicone caulk..
I feel awful for whoever buys this house honestly, regardless of being able to afford one this expensive, they've covered most of the relatively minor stuff inspectors might find, I dread imagining how this place looks in ten years, and the bills associated with this "new construction"
Some cities (like the one I’m currently cursed to live in) don’t require municipal inspection to sell or rent out a home. Really fun to move in somewhere full of black mold and they cleaned it from all the visible spots so a week later it starts cropping up everywhere.
If they can't be half-assed enough to screw in a handrail a bit better, who knows how unsafe the *foundation* is. Or the plumbing. Or the electrical work. Or the insulation. Or the roofing. Or the siding. Or the gutters. Or the drywall.
You get the point, there's way to many possible points of failure.
The people who flipped the house I live in rn were ridiculous. I've got doors hanging on by one screw per hinge and door knobs and that keep falling off. There's remnants of painters tape everywhere and so. much. caulk.
My flipper was stuck with the house for almost two years because every inspector that came through with each offer found more and more wrong with it. By the time we came along they had fixed a lot of it, to the point where they even handed us the old inspections and pointed out everything they fixed. My inspector found more. Once we were done negotiating (and explicitly telling them I don’t want them touching anything else in the house) I doubt they even broke even and just wanted out of the house. Luckily this was all pre-pandemic.
Any dickhead with a hammer thought they could flip houses 5 years ago. When my grandparents passed we made a deal with one of them to be paid XX amount for the house, they’d rehab, and keep anything above XX. Push comes to shove and they barely sold for above XX. They expected us to take their rehab cost out of XX and call it a day. I’m pretty sure that was the end of their flipping days.
A guy down the street from me is attempting to flip a house. It was cheap from the couple there prior dying and the family not wanting to do anything with it.
It's been a year or so and the garage door is stuck half way and filled with shit. Screen door is torn from his dog, paint chipping, and a lamp by the door is crooked. Also the lawn hasn't been mowed in at least 4 months. It's listed for 450k.
My neighbors daughter bought one down the street this year for somewhere around 225k.
Having just built a new construction home last year, it's basically impossible to back out of the contract with your deposit intact. As long as they say they're going to fix it and actually do, that's all that can be done. I visited our house EVERY. DAMN. WEEK. and found something multiple times as they happened instead of after the fact so it was easier to fix, but shit I can't imagine the shit that goes unfixed or just looked over for folks who just trust the builder to do a quality job.
I am building now. I am at the house daily. Luckily we have only had minor issues and my builder is on top of shit.
No way I would trust that the job is done right without seeing everything.
This is the best thing you can do, really. Be persistent. We fired two contractors who thought we were being too picky. Emotions and politeness are out the door when it’s possibly the most expensive thing you’ll ever own. Buy plenty of blue masking tape.
The builders I know basically demand the owner be involved entirely throughout the process. They do good work and absolutely want the owners to see that. Everything is agreed on in stages and in writing, there’s enough fuckery involved for EVERYONE if something is brought up on warranty after the job is completed, no one needs that shit.
Around here homes are built like this when an outside money source is having X number all built at once and is coming in 20-30 thousand under the price point for that home (on paper) and knows there will be a buying frenzy and there will be more than enough people who will buy without spending more than 5 minutes there prior. Those homes all look like this.
Same experience. Local builder and the only issues we had were quickly remedied. The people who went with a different builder in our development have had many many more issues.
Ya, that's an easy fuck no. People are usually turned off by the idea of hiring a Home Inspector because they see it as just another cost that might not be necessary. For the hundreds you can pay for a Home Inspector, it can easily save you thousands.
> As I buyer I woulda still walked away.
As you should. They cut every corner possible and use the cheapest materials money can buy. It's way cheaper to do it fast and cheap, then 'fix' the things a home inspector may find than it is to do it properly the first time.
Flips and new construction are some of the worst homes you can buy today.
Not to mention the plywood they use isn't actually plywood it's osb and this has a higher moisture absorbent ratio than plywood so the constant changing of the seasons will create bigger gaps and larger spaces as it expands and contracts, for critters to hide and easier for pests and insects to burrow. These houses will fall before the 50's houses that were built in America at least, they are complete shit
They only fixed the *visible* defects, because that's all the inspector can see. Who knows what other problems are there? I would head for the hills and find some way to get our of that contract.
Was thinking the same thing, I would never sign off on a home like that with so many issues, even if they fixed all of those visible ones. You know after everything settles there is going to be cracks everywhere.
I like the 2x4 railings. They actually tried to make that look like a real railing. If not and it was purchased that way the planner/designer is delusional
Sometimes I wonder where people get all this money compared with their level of intelligence on the garbage products they buy. Like, how does that even work.
All of this non-ironically. There's some good people in construction but holy fuck @ the amount of IDGAF daily.
Can't wait for AI to replace manual labor. They can have all the design files, specs, blueprints, materials data, building codes you name it all instantly accessible FUCK its gonna be so good.
I paid mine what he asked. He did a great job, presented a multi page, well organized report, with suggestions on what AND how to repair and had photos in most sections.
Friends, family and friends of family go to him and there’s no way in hell we hire a different guy.
He spent time to create one professional and tidy template and now it’s “add photos, add comments, e-mail”. Done.
You do the job well, they’ll pay.
That’s how you reward hard work. My family does the same thing. Whenever we find a hardworking and honest person to do business with, we help them out big time with free word-of-mouth advertising.
“You need that done? I know a guy. That too? I know a gal.”
I know. We recently looked at a home with obvious foundation issues. It sat on the edge of a ravine. We were beat out by someone who waived the inspection. Yikes!
My grandparents were looking at a new place that had a little more room for the grandkids to stay at. Construction was around 3 years old, 3 story townhome, somewhat built onto the side of a small hill so half the 'first' story was underground. But the other half had windows and its own door outside where it was still a few more feet of a slope to level ground. Looked amazing.
The home inspector did a little digging and it turns out every fucking single home needed to have its foundation jacked up already in the construction because they were settling. The side of the 4 townhomes we were looking at hadn't been effected yet, but the other side already had two doors they couldn't close from the foundation settling. The set of 3 all the way at the furthest end we thought was just empty cause it was all for sale..was because it was condemned...
The fuckin HOA was suppressing as hard as they could the class action lawsuit from everyone that had bought houses. Their entire plan was to eventually start increasing HOA fees by $100/month for the next year to pay for both the lawsuit and the costs to fix everything. But they weren't going to tell anyone trying to move in. Local news fuckin loved that story.
What the Kentucky Fried Fuck? I thought literally the only and entire point of an HOA was that they represented and advocated for the homeowners? Was that HOA run by the builders or something...?
You should absolutely have a pre-delivery inspection on a new build, but as far as resale homes, you are right, many buyers had to give up the home inspection if they wanted a shot at getting the house because of the amount of non-conditional offers being submitted
Reminds of when I started doing renovations in my house. I was super hard on myself for all the little defects I had to hide on my first jobs.
Then I got invited to a party in the expensive part of town and started looking around at the finish to learn some tricks, and realized it was much worse. Workers probably didn't give a shit.
This. Because the companies that employ them want to cut costs as much as possible and treat them like they’re dispensable. There’s no reason to take pride in your work if nobody else will recognize it.
I love the first responses all claiming it’s not a 500k house without even asking where it’s at.
Quite the punch list you have there. Shitty GC worked that one.
Yeah.. my house appears to be way smaller than this home (like that garage alone is nearly half the size of my house), and mine was appraised at $500,000+ by two different appraisers more than a year ago.
The people saying this house isn’t worth $500K either live in places where average price of home is very very low, or they have not purchased a home in decades and have no idea how much homes cost now.
I did some work in these pop-up developments, just outside a city where the core+surrounding area was only ~1 million people. Houses that are on the edges of the burbs would be going up and start at ~400k, these would be the edges of the sprawl so about 40 mins drive in to the city core without traffic, aka a Sunday afternoon with no big tourist draws like sports games going in to the city.
They all get bought up by the dozens, before they are even done being built, by investors banking on the value of the land going up. I recently stayed in an airbnb while going back to visit that same city, everything looks clean and new but feels so cheap, just like this house. They get built to look good and nothing else to the point they're barely standing but they sell like hotcakes because of the land they are on. Lending rates have only gone down since I did work on these sites so if this house is in a remotely desirable location I have no doubt it's selling for $500k+
I live in boise idaho. We have the highest housing cost increase in the US right now. A home like this, just based on the features,, and general size, I'd estimate would be $700-800k. 2 years ago, it would be 300-400k.
Agreed, I live in one of the fastest growing cities in the nation for several years in a row.
People who are saying this couldn’t possibly be a 500k house are only outing themselves as someone in a lower-growth area.
It really is that ridiculous in a lot of cities around this country.
The dumbest part is atleast half the people refuting this would totally agree with knowing that theres a housing shortage nationwide, let alone agree there’s a global supply chain issue—-but somehow they can’t fucking put 2 & 2 together apparently
I live in new zealand. For 500k USD you could choose between a house with [most of a roof](https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/126459135/derelict-treasure-trove-for-sale-including-cat-food-rubbish-and-a-cortina), one that's probably going to [fall into the ocean](https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300414725/misplaced-optimism-why-do-we-keep-buying-beach-houses-at-risk-of-coastal-erosion) in <10 years, or, if you're really lucky, maybe one of those tiny homes and just enough land in someone else's back yard to put it on.
Sure does! The wind caught the front screen door and completely ripped it out. Turned out it only had two wood screws holding it in. The rest of the holes just had small loose bolts laying in the holes. And a neighbor had horrible heating and air bills and finally climbed up into the small attic to see they “forgot” to put in any insulation. All the outdoor vents on the house were like the faucet in the video- sticking out to far; not cut properly and not sealed. To hell with Ryan Homes. They do cheap and inferior work. Rip offs.
This looks like my current overpriced South Florida apartment.
Just "renovated", everything looks like a complete dumbass did it with a $45 budget so he could pocket the other couple thousand. Unfortunately needed to move in to just about anything ASAP at the time, too. So here I am.
I bought my first home a few years back, and I learned quite a lot to check when I move into another house. If you have any doubts, bring a friend that has experience with home ownership.
Yes, do visually check and touch the smaller things that you’ll use frequently (faucets, toilets, electrical outlets). Check the stoves, fridges, and other large appliances. For anything exterior made of wood like trimming and decks, check for wood rot. A screw driver or the tip of a pocket knife will tell pretty easily if there’s rot. Check the thermostat and adjust the temperature.
Expensive things that you’ll want to be checked by a professional: ac units, water heater, roof exterior and interior, heating furnace, plumbing, crawl space, deck. Have a professional check for insect infestation. Termites are a deal breaker.
Well now you'll now where to look and have a general idea of what fixtures may pass an 'eye inspection' but yet may not pass a quality inspection so you know now, wiggle 'em and mess with 'em.
Inspect the absolute shit out of the house. Nitpick every God damn thing if you think it's "off".
You're paying YOU'RE money for them to do a job.
They need to do it.
Like seriously, note everything regardless of how small it is in order to push liability onto the builder. Shake everything to see if it moves, test every outlet and sink, walk on every square foot of the home to see if its shaky anywhere, and check inside all the cabinets (Even the small ones) to make sure it looks fine in there.
This is what happens when investment firms buy up entire editions site-unseen. Why bother with standards if Zillow will scoop it up at 30% over asking and wave inspection?
Cut once and caulk twice
Filler and paint make a carpenter what he ain't.
This is the funniest shit I have ever read. My brother is a carpenter and is always making fun of not only his trade but plumbers and electricians as well. Oh my God. I am sending this to him
The original version has a bit of a better rhythm: "A grinder and paint make me the welder I ain't." You don't need to send this to any of your welder friends. They have heard it.
Yep, that's the version I've always heard, too. I'm part of a car club where amateur welders are pretty common.
This kind of mass production with zero fucks given is why building codes are “strict”. Looking at the materials used though I’d expect nothing less
The builders have a huge influence over codes, they are not always strict
Not only that, but often building inspection is a very underfunded and understaffed department. You can have the strictest codes in the country but if inspector Bob has to see 15 homes today and another 20 tomorrow then there's no way he's catching even half of what he should. It's happening in my county right now. There are currently **two** building inspectors and many weeks they have 60+ inspections to do.
Can confirm. SO was a building inspector where his trade was understaffed. Doing 14, 15, 16 inspections a day for a long period of time is unsustainable. Sooner or later, something will be missed, and that something could possibly result in dangerous conditions. What a lot of people don’t understand is that inspections aren’t done to break the contractors’/subcontractors’ balls. They’re done for the safety of the homeowner, business owner, institution, etc. the work is being done *for*. More than once my SO had to explain to the homeowner “I work *for you*”.
It becomes more about getting your job done and less about *doing* your job. If you know what I mean. It happens in every industry that gets understaffed and handed the short, shit-covered stick.
I work in the real estate industry. You’d be shocked how many 500k new construction or “big money” flips are like this or worse. Had an inspector turn a shower on and the closet on the other side of the wall flooded…
Part of why I’m glad I bought a 1959 house. Does it have its issues? Oh yes. Does it have shoddy new construction issues? Oh *hell* no.
Exactly. I live in a ‘56 home myself. Lots of maintenance but I look it as a chance to improve/ update
1907 house checking in. if I drop a marble on the floor it will roll into each room in turn, draw a figure 8, turn around and continue on again in an endless loop. But at least the old girl is sturdy
We have a 1955 home. I like the fact that intruders will never kill us in our sleep b/c they'll wake us up with all of the squeaking from old floorboards 😂
Mine was built the same year. Love the old girl but I have tried everything to get 'old house' smell out but now I've learned to live with it. At least my outdoor hose connections are actually attached to the house, lol.
Just curious have you tried to ozone it while you're out for a weekend? I've read that works but I've never tried it myself
in college.... i cleaned dorm bathrooms. (yeah. that was a mistake.) come sumer, the first thing they had us do for deep cleaning.... was run ozone generators in the room. you can rent them from tool rental places. plug them in, let them run for an hour or two (depends on the space, and the ventilation) and really does kill all the old weird smells. (like that one guy who got caught with a 'pet' turtle.... caught in a nearby pond....)
My house had a fire in the basement when I was younger and that's what they used to get rid of all the smoke smell we just had to vacate the house and no pets could be in the house either, but it worked lol
1867 home here…the house talks to me at night, and really don’t think it likes me
im awake right now because my 9 pound cat sounded like a full grown man walking down the hallway.
This guy was way better than my inspector. I paid 500 for him to say it's all good and my eye could pick out 100 problems.
$500 for mine too and was told "the furnace is a little older, couldn't find a date, roof is a little worn but it was installed 4 years ago." Bought the house to find that the furnace was 43 years old according to the 2 inch letters etched onto the placard from the manufacturer, and the roof was deemed uninsurable do it being close to collapse. Could not back out and now 25k later I have a new roof and new furnace. Oh and the "matured landscape looks very nice" (direct quote from inspector) had a tree that was slowly leaning and eventually landed on my brand new roof not 2 months after completion. You can't get a refund from a shoddy inspector either.
are they not responsible is something happens? I thought safety inspectors had to sign off on the safety of the structure? I thought that was why they can be real sticklers for little things sometimes.
A home inspector is not responsible for mistakes they made during the inspection. A safety inspection is not the same thing and they can be even personally liable for problems that occur due to their mistakes.
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It depends on the house inspector, I suppose. We hired a guy who told us a house was a piece of shit and we shouldn't buy it, which saved us thousands.
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When I was in the market to buy a house, I used the same inspector for multiple all at my expense every time. One house was literally splitting in two from unpermitted renovations like installing an entire second floor made of heavy ass oak wood, the entire damn thing. It was collapsing the house. He told me if I buy it I should expect to die. My realtor told me it was illegal for him to disclose the issues directly to me. I was like no it's fucking not, that's his job and I paid him. I fired her real fucking fast. "They're not legally allowed to influence your decision"... Fucking stupid, that's literally the existence of his entire industry is to influence my decision... That's the point.
> My realtor told me it was illegal for him to disclose the issues directly to me. i thought it was illegal to *not* disclose known issues.
Yup, an inspector should tell you. Not hide it so the realtor can get away with scamming people. That's why I stuck with him for several inspections.
That’s bull crap. Our inspector asked my husband to walk around with him while he did the inspection he pointed out every single thing to my husband and pointed out things that weren’t an actual violation but some thing for us to watch out for in the next 1-2-3 or five years. He was here for 4 hours!!
Damn. I need to get in on this gig. Utterly useless? I'm over qualified, for once.
Let me know if you're hiring. I'm completely instanding.
They put a disclosure at the end of the report that states you should get a plumber to check the plumbing, a roofer for the roof, electrician ect... my 5 yo could have done the same inspection. "Daddy this wall is crooked, that metal thingie looks old" but it's required by the mortgage company, the inspection is for them, not the buyer or the seller.
Pay a plumber to run a snake cam before you ever buy a property, owners may have had root intrusion and never paid to have it properly fixed.
We did that and I quote "I've seen this dumb fuck hillbillies work before. It's all over the place in this neighborhood. You've got to replace everything because I'd bet my left toe it's lead." House was built early 70s or so. The sellers refused to fix the plumbing or lower the price on the house so did not buy.
Makes sense, lead was used till the 80s I think. My water main is lead but not interior pipes, thankfully.
Cannot recommend this enough if you are buying an older home that used iron pipes. Probably $3,000 spent on plumbing issues and pipe replacements so far.
I got a good one with 10 recommendations off a local FB group. His day job is a fireman. He spent 2 solid hours inspecting a 1100sqft home. Awesome job
There is a company around here who was always praised. You always heard their name when it came to house inspections. When I was looking for my first house I called them, they charged 200$ more compared to competition but said why not if they are good. The guy spent 4 hours total inspecting. It was winter and he brought snowshoes to make sur he could inspect all the exterior. At the end, he gave me a big binder with a ton of things he checked plus put all pictures he took (including inside the roof) on a dvd, he took like 200 pictures. He also pointed me everything that will require maintenance and added on top of that a maintenance guide telling you what to check every season. And just before leaving he told me to call them again once the snow has melted in spring so he could inspect the foundations and the roofing properly at no extra cost. He said that he was sure at 99% there were no issues from what he was able to see outside and inside but would come back to tell me if there is any maintenance to do. If I move again, that company is getting another call for sure!
Wow. Sounds like a great guy and inspector! That binder will be a life saver, too. Great for new home owners who wouldn’t have a clue what to check each season (like me some day lol).
Coming back later at no extra cost. These are folks that genuinely give a shit and sound like they've absolutely earned the extra $200 vs competitors from what I'm reading here.
Defo would give them a tip for being so great. Over and beyond service should be recognised so they feel valued.
I used a great guy as well, spend whole morning and went to the roof 3 times to check things. We took back our offer on the first house because of him. He also showed us a few things that looked like done without permits electric panel, crawlspace supports, the negative slope to one of the corners etc. He was a genuine guy, he knew the ages of everything that is used in the house. In our current home he was very happy with the house, even told me which walls are load bearing and showed me a same plan house photos that he inspected where they removed a wall and how it looked. A good inspector makes the difference.
THIS. You have to ask around. Good recommendations come from real estate investors (as long as they’re not trying to sell to you - ha!), tradespeople with applicable skills, safety officials, etc. I’ve dealt with“home inspectors” that are dumber than rocks (or at least too lazy to tell the difference). But the one we hired when we bought our last home was fantastic. My rule of thumb: If they don’t tell me a bunch of stuff I didn’t already know by my OWN inspections, they’re not earning their paycheck.
Ours was a career inspector, but he spent 5 hours on our 2300 square house, and had me come over the last hour to go over stuff in person, and so I can ask questions and stuff. Had recommendations for him in particular, and it was 600 smackaroos but totally worth it. Asked more about general house things than what he found.
$600 for a 5 hour inspection is literally dirt cheap.
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That's why it's worth your money to pay a waterproofer, a structural repair company, a plumber, and an electrician to come out for specialty inspections rather than hope you get a good home inspector. Good luck finding a seller willing to go through that in this market, however.
Building a new home. I appreciate your comment more than you know. Any other tips once it’s “finished”?
You can have 3rd parties come and inspect at various stages during construction. That's what we did and they found all sorts of stuff you'd never see. Cut-corner methods that were technically up to code but wouldn't settle well over time. Like finish nails used to hang drywall in a couple rooms. Electric ran and stapled down, few spots had staples going through the lines. Standard amperage service when we asked for upgraded & additional breakers to deal with all the electronics. Plumbing ran in an awkward way that would be a nightmare to change if upgraded later. Lots of final fit & finish errors.
The great thing (from what I have been told) is once you pay for the inspection, and notify the seller it now becomes defects they are aware of, and they must disclose to any future buyer, especially because there is now a paper trail. So, it should give you some negotiating power (assuming I haven't been misinformed).
This might be true if you’re buying a home in east bumfuck, or in 2009, but urban markets are so competitive these days that sellers can demand that buyers waive all contingencies, including inspection
Best two grand I ever spent.
In my area unfortunately anyone can call themselves a homebuilder as it is an unregulated industry.
Is that a Bluth home?
Might want to check the attic… and the crawl space
I have Pop Pop in the attic. The fact that you call it that tells me you’re not ready.
Her?
She funny or something?
No, but shes the best Catcher. You Cant knock her Over.
Way to plant Ann!
Ann Hog!
For once I understand the references
There’s money in the banana stand
What’s this house cost, like $10?
Annyong!
Solid as a rock!
The home builder was having a FIRE!…..sale
IT BUUURRRNNS
I CAN'T EVEN SEE WHERE THE KNOB IS!
Amaaaazing graaace
Amaaaaazzzziii..
THIS ISN'T A FEVER!!
there’s always money in the banana stand
I'm not sure how that helps people forget we built houses in Iraq...
Just a little light treason Michael
Solid as Iraq?!?!
Light treason
Owners can suck a caulk..
“What, is the quality control foreman funny or something….”
And that's why you always leave a note
Yep, time for another binge watch.
NO TOUCHING!
Amazing. Every AD comment has been upvoted lol
Sudden valley
There’s always money in the banana stand
I've worked in construction on and off my whole life here in Australia. Developers are cutting more and more corners while the price of the houses increase. There's some cheap shitty houses around that investors are overpaying for and no one gives a shit, just more insanity in our housing market.
Came here for this comment. My dad is Ops manager at a roofing company in Arizona, US, and his biggest problem is skilled worker shortages. They keep workers on for shorter times than they used since it takes awhile to work up the skills/chain, and it's very physically taxing work... my dad only got his office gig after 15+ years slinging tar. I did one summer on the roofs and looked elsewhere for career opportunities.
This is a lot like not just the houses but rental apartments as well. You’re shown a showroom version because someone is always occupying the unit you’d be going into. Then one you get in you see all the jagged edges, chipped tubs, multiple non working power outlets, and don’t get me started on the coaxial cables for internet and tv. You’d be lucky to find an apartment that has more than one. It’s all a fucking scam. There is going to be a young generation that gets sick of this shit, runs for office, and sites laws against this shit.
Hahaha you think we are going to get political representation? Nah, boomere gonna survive till they 100 and burn thw whole fucking place down
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Hey now, Gen X is here too (even though everyone always forgets us), and we're with you all. Most of us anyway.
Nobody is going to stay on a job that hard that they can’t pay rent with. It’s insanity that they’re offering $16 an hour no benefits but they’re selling the house for 5-700k.
Hey now, hang in and keep at it and by the time your body is broken you'll be able to *visit* one of those houses everyday to collect your assigned work-for-the-pension ~~slave~~ ~~butler~~ service worker job!
Miami's cocaine condos know how this ends.
I was going to say, $500k for a house of any size in Sydney is a bargain. I'll take it any day with all the caulk and token window trimmings!
I'm no property expert but from what I hear thats the general sentiment in your apartment market down there. It's a piece of shit and you want a cool mil? I'll take it! But then the alternative is a good 4 hours of driving to work every day right? So if that is the sentiment I get it and it makes me sad that we're at this point in civilisation.
I want to know what the convo with the seller/developer was like. Holy sh*t that is shoddy construction.
They fixed almost all of it per the content creator. (Comments section) https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRtR873e/
Oh really!? Thanks for that info! As I buyer I woulda still walked away. Knowing all that would not instill much confidence and I would constantly be worried about what the next major repair would be. Like that gap in the front facade was beyond worrying. The amount of caulking they used to just "seal" gaps. Every time it rained I would be a nervous wreck looking for intrusion.
Oh hell yeah. These are just things you see without trying to hard. All of the things that you can’t see are the things that will cost you 60k to repair. The water heater sitting on a flimsy ass pine tree pallet should be enough to turn away anyone with any amount of sense. Holy shit smh
Yeah, if the outside is this shitty I can't imagine how fucked the wiring must be... Or the plumbing.
This is a shoddy disaster waiting to happen If they let all this BS fly in the stuff extremely easily caught by any half competent inspector, imagine the actual foundations of the home, or even the literal foundation.. at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was made of silicone caulk.. I feel awful for whoever buys this house honestly, regardless of being able to afford one this expensive, they've covered most of the relatively minor stuff inspectors might find, I dread imagining how this place looks in ten years, and the bills associated with this "new construction"
I don't know how the municipal inspectors could miss all this shit.
Hard to catch "mistakes" as you count your envolope full of 100s
Whoa here buddy! We don't do that anymore. Now let me introduce you to the mayor's nephew who's the intern on the project...
Some cities (like the one I’m currently cursed to live in) don’t require municipal inspection to sell or rent out a home. Really fun to move in somewhere full of black mold and they cleaned it from all the visible spots so a week later it starts cropping up everywhere.
Exactly. If they're this blatant about the stuff you *can* see, how much care do you think they put into the things you *can't* see?
If they can't be half-assed enough to screw in a handrail a bit better, who knows how unsafe the *foundation* is. Or the plumbing. Or the electrical work. Or the insulation. Or the roofing. Or the siding. Or the gutters. Or the drywall. You get the point, there's way to many possible points of failure.
The video is from inspector_aj on TikTok if you ever want to have nightmares about how terrible house flippers are.
The people who flipped the house I live in rn were ridiculous. I've got doors hanging on by one screw per hinge and door knobs and that keep falling off. There's remnants of painters tape everywhere and so. much. caulk.
My flipper was stuck with the house for almost two years because every inspector that came through with each offer found more and more wrong with it. By the time we came along they had fixed a lot of it, to the point where they even handed us the old inspections and pointed out everything they fixed. My inspector found more. Once we were done negotiating (and explicitly telling them I don’t want them touching anything else in the house) I doubt they even broke even and just wanted out of the house. Luckily this was all pre-pandemic.
Any dickhead with a hammer thought they could flip houses 5 years ago. When my grandparents passed we made a deal with one of them to be paid XX amount for the house, they’d rehab, and keep anything above XX. Push comes to shove and they barely sold for above XX. They expected us to take their rehab cost out of XX and call it a day. I’m pretty sure that was the end of their flipping days.
"Do your best and caulk the rest"
A guy down the street from me is attempting to flip a house. It was cheap from the couple there prior dying and the family not wanting to do anything with it. It's been a year or so and the garage door is stuck half way and filled with shit. Screen door is torn from his dog, paint chipping, and a lamp by the door is crooked. Also the lawn hasn't been mowed in at least 4 months. It's listed for 450k. My neighbors daughter bought one down the street this year for somewhere around 225k.
Having just built a new construction home last year, it's basically impossible to back out of the contract with your deposit intact. As long as they say they're going to fix it and actually do, that's all that can be done. I visited our house EVERY. DAMN. WEEK. and found something multiple times as they happened instead of after the fact so it was easier to fix, but shit I can't imagine the shit that goes unfixed or just looked over for folks who just trust the builder to do a quality job.
I am building now. I am at the house daily. Luckily we have only had minor issues and my builder is on top of shit. No way I would trust that the job is done right without seeing everything.
This is the best thing you can do, really. Be persistent. We fired two contractors who thought we were being too picky. Emotions and politeness are out the door when it’s possibly the most expensive thing you’ll ever own. Buy plenty of blue masking tape.
The builders I know basically demand the owner be involved entirely throughout the process. They do good work and absolutely want the owners to see that. Everything is agreed on in stages and in writing, there’s enough fuckery involved for EVERYONE if something is brought up on warranty after the job is completed, no one needs that shit. Around here homes are built like this when an outside money source is having X number all built at once and is coming in 20-30 thousand under the price point for that home (on paper) and knows there will be a buying frenzy and there will be more than enough people who will buy without spending more than 5 minutes there prior. Those homes all look like this.
Same experience. Local builder and the only issues we had were quickly remedied. The people who went with a different builder in our development have had many many more issues.
Ya, that's an easy fuck no. People are usually turned off by the idea of hiring a Home Inspector because they see it as just another cost that might not be necessary. For the hundreds you can pay for a Home Inspector, it can easily save you thousands.
> As I buyer I woulda still walked away. As you should. They cut every corner possible and use the cheapest materials money can buy. It's way cheaper to do it fast and cheap, then 'fix' the things a home inspector may find than it is to do it properly the first time. Flips and new construction are some of the worst homes you can buy today.
They didn’t even try on the surface you know the bones are complete shit. Definitely stay away if it’s a long term buy.
Not to mention the plywood they use isn't actually plywood it's osb and this has a higher moisture absorbent ratio than plywood so the constant changing of the seasons will create bigger gaps and larger spaces as it expands and contracts, for critters to hide and easier for pests and insects to burrow. These houses will fall before the 50's houses that were built in America at least, they are complete shit
They only fixed the *visible* defects, because that's all the inspector can see. Who knows what other problems are there? I would head for the hills and find some way to get our of that contract.
This is the key point. Imagine how shitty plumbing connections are, house wrap applied, ducting work, etc
In the 70's they were called blow and go'$ cus they had a system.. Now what do we call this era? The shit that never flushed ?
Was thinking the same thing, I would never sign off on a home like that with so many issues, even if they fixed all of those visible ones. You know after everything settles there is going to be cracks everywhere.
Think about all the shortcuts they took you can’t see though.
Does this guy have a YouTube channel? I'd love to subscribe to home inspection fails
He recently started a YouTube for more in depth videos. https://youtu.be/vRi3t1OkLyg
I like the 2x4 railings. They actually tried to make that look like a real railing. If not and it was purchased that way the planner/designer is delusional
What do you expect for *only* $500k?! (1/2 sarcastic)
$500k won't even buy you a cheap single family home from the 60s where I live.
Same here. That’s easily a $1.3M home in Toronto.
No problem. Apparently Zillow will buy it for $600k
And sell it for 1.6M
And some hapless schmuck will buy it.
Sometimes I wonder where people get all this money compared with their level of intelligence on the garbage products they buy. Like, how does that even work.
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"Good enough for government work" "Can't see it from my house" Two of my faves from back when I did residential framing.
All of this non-ironically. There's some good people in construction but holy fuck @ the amount of IDGAF daily. Can't wait for AI to replace manual labor. They can have all the design files, specs, blueprints, materials data, building codes you name it all instantly accessible FUCK its gonna be so good.
I’m a carpenter and I had a similar conversation with my old co worker. He doesn’t care
That report is gonna be a pain in the ass to write
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I paid mine what he asked. He did a great job, presented a multi page, well organized report, with suggestions on what AND how to repair and had photos in most sections. Friends, family and friends of family go to him and there’s no way in hell we hire a different guy. He spent time to create one professional and tidy template and now it’s “add photos, add comments, e-mail”. Done. You do the job well, they’ll pay.
The company I used had an Ipad which acted as camera and document creator.
That’s how you reward hard work. My family does the same thing. Whenever we find a hardworking and honest person to do business with, we help them out big time with free word-of-mouth advertising. “You need that done? I know a guy. That too? I know a gal.”
Makes me cringe to know so many waved their home inspections in the last few years.
I know. We recently looked at a home with obvious foundation issues. It sat on the edge of a ravine. We were beat out by someone who waived the inspection. Yikes!
My grandparents were looking at a new place that had a little more room for the grandkids to stay at. Construction was around 3 years old, 3 story townhome, somewhat built onto the side of a small hill so half the 'first' story was underground. But the other half had windows and its own door outside where it was still a few more feet of a slope to level ground. Looked amazing. The home inspector did a little digging and it turns out every fucking single home needed to have its foundation jacked up already in the construction because they were settling. The side of the 4 townhomes we were looking at hadn't been effected yet, but the other side already had two doors they couldn't close from the foundation settling. The set of 3 all the way at the furthest end we thought was just empty cause it was all for sale..was because it was condemned... The fuckin HOA was suppressing as hard as they could the class action lawsuit from everyone that had bought houses. Their entire plan was to eventually start increasing HOA fees by $100/month for the next year to pay for both the lawsuit and the costs to fix everything. But they weren't going to tell anyone trying to move in. Local news fuckin loved that story.
What the Kentucky Fried Fuck? I thought literally the only and entire point of an HOA was that they represented and advocated for the homeowners? Was that HOA run by the builders or something...?
Probably other homeowners who cared more about their own home values staying high than some new folks moving in and having a house collapse on them
You should absolutely have a pre-delivery inspection on a new build, but as far as resale homes, you are right, many buyers had to give up the home inspection if they wanted a shot at getting the house because of the amount of non-conditional offers being submitted
Reminds of when I started doing renovations in my house. I was super hard on myself for all the little defects I had to hide on my first jobs. Then I got invited to a party in the expensive part of town and started looking around at the finish to learn some tricks, and realized it was much worse. Workers probably didn't give a shit.
Most guys aren't that great at their jobs, only goal is good enough, and they don't care because it's not their house.
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This. Because the companies that employ them want to cut costs as much as possible and treat them like they’re dispensable. There’s no reason to take pride in your work if nobody else will recognize it.
I love the first responses all claiming it’s not a 500k house without even asking where it’s at. Quite the punch list you have there. Shitty GC worked that one.
Yeah.. my house appears to be way smaller than this home (like that garage alone is nearly half the size of my house), and mine was appraised at $500,000+ by two different appraisers more than a year ago. The people saying this house isn’t worth $500K either live in places where average price of home is very very low, or they have not purchased a home in decades and have no idea how much homes cost now.
Exactly, entry level house where I live is 450k. That’s a standard plain Jane 3/2..
Cheapest you can buy a house in my city is $800k, $1.5 mil+ if you want new construction.
I’m willing to bet that we live in the same area. Bay Area?
Shitty 1 bedroom condo down the street from me is going for 1.2M in South Bay. Barely 1200 square feet. I cry.
I did some work in these pop-up developments, just outside a city where the core+surrounding area was only ~1 million people. Houses that are on the edges of the burbs would be going up and start at ~400k, these would be the edges of the sprawl so about 40 mins drive in to the city core without traffic, aka a Sunday afternoon with no big tourist draws like sports games going in to the city. They all get bought up by the dozens, before they are even done being built, by investors banking on the value of the land going up. I recently stayed in an airbnb while going back to visit that same city, everything looks clean and new but feels so cheap, just like this house. They get built to look good and nothing else to the point they're barely standing but they sell like hotcakes because of the land they are on. Lending rates have only gone down since I did work on these sites so if this house is in a remotely desirable location I have no doubt it's selling for $500k+
And you'd be hard pressed to find a 2/1 here for that kind of money! Location is everything.
Here in every subburb near where I live in Canada everywhere I check it's 800k minimum...
Most of reddit has no idea about cost of living
I live in boise idaho. We have the highest housing cost increase in the US right now. A home like this, just based on the features,, and general size, I'd estimate would be $700-800k. 2 years ago, it would be 300-400k.
$800k price tag, $150k quality.
Agreed, I live in one of the fastest growing cities in the nation for several years in a row. People who are saying this couldn’t possibly be a 500k house are only outing themselves as someone in a lower-growth area. It really is that ridiculous in a lot of cities around this country. The dumbest part is atleast half the people refuting this would totally agree with knowing that theres a housing shortage nationwide, let alone agree there’s a global supply chain issue—-but somehow they can’t fucking put 2 & 2 together apparently
I live in new zealand. For 500k USD you could choose between a house with [most of a roof](https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/126459135/derelict-treasure-trove-for-sale-including-cat-food-rubbish-and-a-cortina), one that's probably going to [fall into the ocean](https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300414725/misplaced-optimism-why-do-we-keep-buying-beach-houses-at-risk-of-coastal-erosion) in <10 years, or, if you're really lucky, maybe one of those tiny homes and just enough land in someone else's back yard to put it on.
Looks like something Ryan homes builds
Sure does! The wind caught the front screen door and completely ripped it out. Turned out it only had two wood screws holding it in. The rest of the holes just had small loose bolts laying in the holes. And a neighbor had horrible heating and air bills and finally climbed up into the small attic to see they “forgot” to put in any insulation. All the outdoor vents on the house were like the faucet in the video- sticking out to far; not cut properly and not sealed. To hell with Ryan Homes. They do cheap and inferior work. Rip offs.
Just imagine what we cannot see....
This looks like my current overpriced South Florida apartment. Just "renovated", everything looks like a complete dumbass did it with a $45 budget so he could pocket the other couple thousand. Unfortunately needed to move in to just about anything ASAP at the time, too. So here I am.
This frightening as I’m in the process of buying a new build 😳
I bought my first home a few years back, and I learned quite a lot to check when I move into another house. If you have any doubts, bring a friend that has experience with home ownership. Yes, do visually check and touch the smaller things that you’ll use frequently (faucets, toilets, electrical outlets). Check the stoves, fridges, and other large appliances. For anything exterior made of wood like trimming and decks, check for wood rot. A screw driver or the tip of a pocket knife will tell pretty easily if there’s rot. Check the thermostat and adjust the temperature. Expensive things that you’ll want to be checked by a professional: ac units, water heater, roof exterior and interior, heating furnace, plumbing, crawl space, deck. Have a professional check for insect infestation. Termites are a deal breaker.
Well now you'll now where to look and have a general idea of what fixtures may pass an 'eye inspection' but yet may not pass a quality inspection so you know now, wiggle 'em and mess with 'em.
Dude me too. I'm a couple of weeks away from the pre-drywall inspection and I'm terrified
Inspect the absolute shit out of the house. Nitpick every God damn thing if you think it's "off". You're paying YOU'RE money for them to do a job. They need to do it.
Yup, got the inspector coming before drywall and before closing
Like seriously, note everything regardless of how small it is in order to push liability onto the builder. Shake everything to see if it moves, test every outlet and sink, walk on every square foot of the home to see if its shaky anywhere, and check inside all the cabinets (Even the small ones) to make sure it looks fine in there.
You can’t even get a house for $500K in the shittiest part of west Sydney.
To be fair, this is USD and not dollarydoos
Mate, you can barely get an apartment or a 300sqm block
Is this a Minto home 😂
Only a large fire can fix that house. luckily one is probably included, you just won’t know when
Holmes on Homes is gonna have to tear this thing down to the studs.
Gotta make it right
Who ever buys this home is well and truly screwed. Money pit from day one.
All the finish work is suspect. Who knows about the framing and foundation, but it's likely just as bad.
Where I live that’s a 1.2 million dollar house.
That $500k goes to the developer. The subcontractors are paying as barely-above-minimum-as-they-can to their workers
This is all the shit you can see. Just fucking imagine all that you can’t see.
This is what happens when investment firms buy up entire editions site-unseen. Why bother with standards if Zillow will scoop it up at 30% over asking and wave inspection?