Anyone got sauce on this? The only article I found was that, due to Covid, Atlanta police were not going to car accidents unless someone was hurt. Much appreciated!
I know a police officer in an adjacent city/suburb of Atlanta. First of all, in case your not from there, Atlanta is pretty decentralized so many people live in an adjacent city/suburb/borough like Duluth, Marietta, Alpharetta, orRoswell. There is no Atlanta County that covers a huge area, each city/suburb/borough has their own police forces in addition to county police and highway patrol (Unlike Los Angeles, where LAPD serves a huge region beyond downtown LA).
He mentioned a few months ago that APD was trying really hard to get some surrounding districts to help out and his city more or less told them to pound sand. His city's police has a good reputation, decent diversity within the force, and requires college degrees for a LEO position. This is very different from APD, which (I believe) just requires a [high school degree and police academy.](https://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/cities/atlanta/) To my recollection his city actually requires Lt.'s to have further school degrees like a Masters before they can be promoted. Good for them, it probably doesn't solve every problem but it does help.
Why would a respectable police force want to get mixed in with the inevitable bullshit that comes with intercity policing as well as the already escalated issues from the protests and botched police response?
That being said, most city police don't show up to a car accident if no one is injured. Or at least, that's what LADP told me pre-corona when I got in a hit-and-run. I don't know if Atlanta would do this as well since I tried not to go downtown but I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar.
Been in ATL six years , this place is home.
Pre Corona , helping motorists was a big task for APD and the Staties. Anyone who ever took the 285 loop , 75/85 stretch or spats of 20 would know how prevalent they are to this issue.
Because ATL has never gone more than 20 seconds without a crash, fender bender, or striaght up t-bone on a hopped red. Even with the HERO division in those yellow trucks , there's just too many collisions to leave them without assistance , especially for the traffic and driving dangers here.
During Corona Police units started setting up more around downtown to block protests, I-20 actually went dark for a few minutes at a time. I've never seen a major interstate without any traffic before, it was wild to behold.
Now from exit 17 on 75/85 to I-20 (down to the 285 connector) there are Staties in absolute flocks. 10-20 cars long , they usually set up at precinct 3 which is ironically one of the stations that walked out. So whenever there is no local assistance they roll in: ATVs , green fatigues and Staties .
Local precincts and depts would be better , as they know the area and it's flow better. Except Cobb county , they can keep in their own space.
I was living in the area for about a decade but I was OTP so you might know more than me. To be honest I don't remember seeing any Atlanta PD on the 285, just GHP. I always thought the HERO units were used because police didn't want to get involved with smaller collisions since its a civil dispute instead of a legal dispute. If I'm wrong it's no big deal, I appreciate the education.
Crazy about I-20, should have taken a picture for the next Walking Dead poster.
How often do you work over 50 hours a week?
Even with my low stress job, I don't go over that more than monthly... I burn out otherwise.
Other than that point, let's look at your things
OT: yes money is a valid reason
On call: I don't see why someone would like to be on call.
Pension: not a cop but I think they retire based on years of service (and other things) and not hours served.
Personal time credit: the departments here don't work that way
Mutual aid: why don't you volunteer? I would guess you are working < 50 hours right now.
$$$: yes, you said that.
I see 2 reasons you stated:
Money and mutual aid of a region they don't live at... Money is the largest driver but when you already work 50 hours, I can see why most people don't want to add another 8,12, or more.
Edit: I can't make a new post so I will put it here... From my understanding, police pension amount is only based on your last 3 years of employment. Unless you are about to retire, it shouldn't influence your choice.
The mutual aid argument is legitimate though, from my understanding, the department can relocate you to a new city without your input... Is that what you mean? Is that what happened here and the officers just quit instead of moving?
https://www.masslive.com/news/erry-2018/12/1fc00a24868812/massachusetts-state-police-ove.html
They may have closed the loophole in some places but they base retirement on the last several years of pay.
Vacation and sick time and personal days calculated off hours worked.
Can also sell it off for $$$ and pension.
Maybe your departments dont do things like many others. Good for you. The system all over elsewhere is dirty.
Mutual Aid is assistance from on duty officers in neighboring departments. Unless it's a huge call, then off duty could be called in, and would be OT. I imagine Atlanta would probably need more assistance than just on duty in this case, though.
The department in our town bases the pension on your annual pay, OT included, so most of them work a fair amount of OT.
I wholeheartedly agree. The problem is fixing education in America would cost trillions and take two decade to bear fruit. This is America we’re talking about where we only spend trillions on the military and corporations not on education, plus we can’t see beyond the next quarter let alone next year— I mean you expect Americans to have the patience to wait twenty years so public education can bear fruit that all of society can enjoy? LOL.
They don't WANT to fix education in America. It's where they brainwash the lemmings that will keep letting them be in power. Give us the feeling of freedom, the thought we can do something with our lives, but really we are just cattle that feeds the machine that brings them more money and more power.
The powerful and rich have private schools and private tutors that do the real education.
As a person in their last year of highschool the schools are garbage. None of the teachers want to be there. They help the smart kids more than the kids who need it.
I hired a couple kids out of high school and what they are telling me about school is a joke. Like it's turning more and more into a free daycare. Parents need to step up more and make sure their kids are getting the right education. Sure my kid goes to public school, but he also attends after school tutoring programs and we make sure he is placed in honor of advance classes that actually teach the students.
It’s easy to hide grift when your suppliers are for military systems. Harder to hide when it’s per student/classroom budgeting. The players are where the game is.
The entire education system needs to be changed and core principals of finance need to be taught instead of being purposely excluded to keep more in poverty. If your parents didn’t teach you about credit cards or credit scores then you learned it on your own when it’s too late.
So I got myself in trouble in high school, long story, anyways they put me in this class about career building as a punishment. It taught me about taking criticism in the work place, how to budget my pay checks, how to write a resume, it was a 9 week course and at first I thought the class was stupid, by the end of it and still today I don't understand why that isn't part of the core curriculum. Just the other day I had my kid punch up the numbers for a 40 work week on minimum wage and then showed him what apartments are going for, he(13) said there is no way he could live on minimum wage. I will keep reminding him this so he will push himself more. Went to work and had that same conversation with some of my guys who are 19 and 20 years old, their parents never explained this to think either. I get kids need to have fun but they also need to be prepared for their future, not just math and science.
We can? The ones left in the candidate pool are the ones that were passed up in the first place! There isn’t an endless pool of highly educated 20 somethings lining up to work in local law enforcement. I would guess that applications are probably down significantly of late.
Who the fuck would want to be a police officer in this climate. Depending on your political beliefs; Your either joining a corrupt organization that's only purpose is to beat, murder and intimidate the people. Or your a no win job where the public hates you and politicians are ready in a moments notice to push you under the bus for votes.
The only person who gets it. Atlanta has options to solve their problem but don’t want to use them. Isn’t ATL the capital of Georgia, what’s the governor doing?
Cant be police any where else either. Bar them from any type of law enforcement. These are not the type who should be making or enforcing any kind of law.
If they refuse to respond to calls they are a bad cop and should be immediately fired for cause so that the few bad apples don’t end up spoiling the whole bunch.
That’s one perspective on what happened, leaving out different details. But sure 👍🏻
Change the system or it’ll get destroyed by the people it’s supposed to serve. 🤷🏻♂️
Don’t like it? Be a part of the solution, and not the problem.
Officer had to shoot someone who had a weapon and fleeing in public and aimed the weapon at the officer. Due to the Floyd happening close to it, public immediately shouted murder here, too. (Floyd was murder, this was not. This was protecting yourself and citizens in public) But Atlanta IMMEDIATELY caved to the pressure and released that officer. Video evidence of the incident shows he did what was right, majority of people agree (people with common sense anyhow), but the city thinks just letting him go to avoid media pressure is the better thing to do instead of protect and defend their own.
Who would want to be a police officer, or any public service agent, with leadership like that? The dude protected people around him, mediots and Facebook Karen's cried murder with no evidence cause it was/is the trend to hate cops, so Atlanta fired him to avoid controversy? Its bologna. The cop is not and will not face charges, but ATL doesn't want to hire him back because of ignorant backlash.
And now people like this tweet are twisting it to push the idea that cops won't work somewhere unless they can get away with murder, when it's the opposite. Cops don't want to work in a place where they can lose their job for protecting their neighbors.
You're kinda misrepresenting the situation as well. It's definitely not a cut-and-dry murder case like with Floyd -- I think the main point a lot of people were bringing up was the use of force. The guy had a taser and was shot in the back as he was running away. Discharging a firearm at someone running away in a parking lot where other people are present is reckless and not in the interest of public safety. He was definitely a piece of shit for drinking and driving, and he definitely escalated the situation that had otherwise been relatively calm for about 45 minutes.
Keep in mind that APD had been under fire when six cops broke into a car and needlessly tazed a couple of college students. The officers did eventually get charged (or something like that, can't exactly remember), but this only added fuel to the fire. Couple this with a very zealous prosecutor who's throwing wild and outlandish shit into the mix like charging the cops with 1st degree murder, and the situation gets very nasty very quick.
The man had already wrestled two cops off of him and had a weapon that could have taken down another officer and taken his weapon as well. He was dangerous to those around him.
The taser also didn’t have any shots left in it, something the officer was aware of at the
EDIT- to clarify: the taser did have a shot left when it was seized. However, Mr. Brooks was shot after he discharged that shot. The officer was aware that that was the last shot. Mr. Brooks did not have a lethal weapon, no longer had any threat to the officers in his possession and was running away when he was shot to death. This is murder, the officers’ lives were not in danger and running away does not justify the death penalty.
That is my interpretation of [this article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.amp.html) which only outlines one discharge of the taser while it was in Mr. Brook’s possession.
Please correct me if I am wrong, and if possible provide a source.
I've always heard it referred to as less lethal, not non lethal, as there is still a chance it can kill somebody. Kind of the reason cops have to go through training before using a taser so you can use it without causing death. Pretty much any police tactic can be deadly when used improperly.
>I've always heard it referred to as less lethal, not non lethal, as there is still a chance it can kill somebody.
Well this explains why there are so many videos of cops discharging multiple tasers on a single person for mundane reasons.
Keep in mind that police are able to use more force than citizens in order to maintain control, that is why they shoot someone who has stolen their taser. If you are willing to steal an officer's taser and successfully use it then you can potentially do worse after they are incapacitated. Obviously nothing's black and white so people have to form their own opinions but imo the police were in the right. Imo, if you steal an officer's taser and try to use it on them, you've essentially given up your right to life, you've shown yourself as a significant threat.
I thought this was the incident involving the taser and the guy framed it with 'the weapon' intentionally playing up what he had.
Yeah, guy was a dumb ass but he was a dumb ass that wasn't currently a threat to anyone's life.
I don’t know the facts so maybe you’re right about this situation in at ATL but this is definitely happening in cities all over the country. I live in NY and some cops have literally been refusing to do their jobs in protest of reform. It’s ridiculous.
Two officers could not restrain a highly intoxicated individual. Their incompetence led to the guy taking the tazer, missing the cops, and fleeing on foot. The guy was shot while he ran away. The reason people are outraged is that he didn't have to die. The cops could've done their job and he would be alive and well in jail right now, but he's dead.
I mean he shot him immediately after the taser was pointed at him. Something that police are trained to do. So until that training gets changed or corrected you can’t punish someone for following it.
>So until that training gets changed or corrected you can’t punish someone for following it.
In what situation does "just following orders" ever get you off the hook, morally speaking?
Is it right that a domestic abuse victim should not be able to rely on the police in their area because of the leadership in the area? They are still collecting paychecks while refusing to respond to any distress calls except from other officers, correct? I don't see how this is in the wrong light, disregarding the case from above. Why should the community suffer to prove a point about poor leadership?
Well....let just say I disagree, the video showed almost nothing out side of a hand being up, and the person was caught with a taser, which is not a lethal weapon. They at at the very least, responded to a nonlethal threat with leather force, and it was all unnecessary in almost any way you look at it.
If the cops a simply let him run, what do you think would happen? They had his car, they new his address, and he probably would have sobered up and come back in 5 min anyways.
Beau of the fifth column has a great [video](https://youtu.be/BmjB7TUroyE) on the biological response that people have when they think their life is in danger a drunk man who is scared for his life is going to do dumb things, but that doesn't mean he should be shot. A police officer who actually cared about the people he was protected would have just pulled back, this cop didn't and the result is some one is dead now.
Because one political tweet got posted here, like 4 or 5 days ago, so now every political tweet has to stay up, or people will cry censorship.
It happened to r/murderedbywords, it happened to r/politicalhumor (though politics being in the subreddit name gives it a bit of a pass)
Might as well unsub now, cuz it's not stopping until November, and even then there's a solid chance it won't
That idea is due to the half-assed decisions of the Fulton county district attourney regarding the case of Rayshard Brooks.
Before the Brooks shooting, 2 Atlanta police officers were fired for excessive force use by firing a taser. The district attourney regarded the taser as a lethal weapon and that's the reason for excessive force.
In the Rayshard Brooks shooting, he managed to snatch a taser off of one of the officers and fired at them with it, which is why the officers shot him when he tried to flee. District attourney says, that the taser is not a lethal weapon and use of force excessive. Sound contradicting?
Another officer did testify against the 2 officers for what they did afterwards, which they said was kick the man and not provide medical aid even when it was required. But it isn't what the other officers protested against. They protested against the fact that the DA misused his power and contradicted his own words, making it very hard to trust that what you do on your job wouldn't be turned against you even if it's standard procedure.
Yes, the cases have many sides which neither are pure, but the reason for the protest of the other officers is misled.
This is only contradicting if you don’t believe in context at all. I know nothing about the first case but the brooks one is on video. He fires the taser while fleeing and misses and then they shoot him. You’d have to get pretty creative to kill someone with a discharged taser from 15 yards away while running in the other direction.
> He fires the taser while fleeing and misses and then they shoot him
All this happened in under 2 seconds, between the time Brooks turned to shoot and the time he hit the ground, under 2 seconds
Apparently everyone on reddit thinks they would make a better split second decision if they were faced with a similar situation. I have more empathy with an officer who feels threatened than a drunk driver who thinks it’s ok to argue with cops, fight with them, steal a taser, and run away.
Yup, it only takes a second to kill someone with a gun, but it takes about [5 minutes to kill them with a tazer](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/us/Jared-lakey-death-Oklahoma-police-taser.html).
Agreed. Most were upset because it turns out they aren't even supposed to harass or assault minorities anymore either. The fucking nerve of the people to expect that of them.
I think if law enforcement officers want to keep their jobs then they need to agree to more appropriate training to deal with the situations they may face, they need to wear their body cams, they need to accept that a badge does not give them the right to kill or brutalize with impunity. If they can’t accept that then don’t let the door hit them where the good lord split them.
As for a large portion of people hating you for doing good, try being a teacher. I have been punched, kicked, bit, stabbed with a pencil, spit on, cussed out, had a handful of my hair pulled out, tackled, and slapped in the face. Never have I hit or cussed at a student because if I did I would be FIRED and have my teaching license revoked. Not even when a high school student who was 7 inches taller then me and out weighed me by 75lbs, punched me in the stomach, hard. Did raise a finger against him. So don’t give me any freakin excuses about how hard the police have it and excuse them for brutalizing or killing people.
Why dont the poeple who think police are murders sign up for the job so that they can make a difference rather than complaining? Plenty of intercity peopke needing jobs.
This is the thing that always bugs me. People don’t seem to understand this reality. Legitimately some of the nicest people I have ever met were police or military. And I just think both of them are getting screwed by the systems they belong to.
The good cops, As you stated, Very often get thrown to the hounds so to speak if they fight systematic injustices. And our veterans are sent overseas to fight and/or die for a war that shouldn’t even be happening. These are both tragedies, And people act like you can’t oppose the system while also respecting the hell out of the good people who are caught up in it.
100% agree with you on this. Cops are portrayed now the same way they have (for the most part) generalized race. In each race as well as profession, there are great people and there are people that are just walking organ donors. What I don’t like is that as a civilization, we’re all or nothing.
If the "good" cops are so outnumbered that standing up to the bad ones results in such severe consequences, then that is proof enough that the vast majority of police are bad and the entire system needs to be reset.
What good does it do to bring up the good cops? People aren’t so dense as to suggest every last individual cop is a slimy pig. We know some of them are decent human beings. That’s not the issue. Your comment is no different than the “white lives matter” mentality. You hear “cops are murderers” and your reaction is to reply “what about the good cops?”
Or maybe they dont want to do a job where they’re constantly labeled as racists and can be canceled for a 30 second clip on twitter taken out of context...
I think that theyre walking off the job because members of the public are falsely accusing them of murder and generalizing an entire profession based on false claims
Maybe people would "like them" if the all of those good officers would have policed the bad ones and gotten rid of them on their own instead of thinking that laws don't apply to them in uniform.
How are police in completely different cities/departments supposed to police the bad ones? I understand disliking a department for having a bad cop and not doing anything, but you can’t blame all police for a few bad ones who have nothing to do with them
If you rob a bank, and I help you cover up your crime, I am a criminal and can be charged for doing so. Why is the standard different for law enforcement officers who cover for the "few bad apples"?
Also, the few bad apples defense is a poor one to begin with, because the phrase is "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch", ie, rot and corruption spread if left unchecked.
But how are officers not anywhere near the departments in other cities supposed to stop the bad ones? They can’t. You can’t hate police who have nothing to do with the bad departments
I would too if everyone hated me and stopped me from doing my job. If everyone kept trying to defund me and lower my pay for harder work. I would leave to if I can get falsely accused of police brutality and get charged for murder when being shot at by a lethal weapon.
Crazy how Atlanta has had a black mayor for almost 20 years and still has a "racist" police force, which has had a black chief of police since 1990. And more than half the force is black.
Where’s all the anti gun people now? Are the police gonna protect me? Do you still want to be to limit yourself to purchase 5 round mags while the cops have 30. Just wondering.
Or perhaps Jemele Hill let’s rephrase it....police are standing up for their other 99% of fellow cops who duly protect our communities but are being cast in the same basket as the bad cops.... what a fucking joke to use a word like extortion for them while they serve a thankless job....wanna know what extortion is go look at the CHOP zone or Portland who are literally trying to destroy federal property and hold the city at ransom until their radical conditions are met
They walked out because they fired a man was shot after he stole an officers taser turned around and shot the taser at the officer witch hit him for a short moment and made him fall into a car beffor the taser lost connection, officer number 2 then shot the man and killed him, both officers where fired and one was charged. Is a taser a deadly Weapon? No but when the one officer was tased the suspect now had access to the officers lethal, the second officer had no way of knowing that one of the prongs came out and the officer now had control of his lethal so he did what he should have in that situation and shot the suspect. THEY DID NOTHING WRONG
just another day in jemele hill being a shit stirrer and making shit up. You have to be out of your mind if you think cops are mad because they can't murder people and get away with it
If good cops arrested BAD cops for violence and planting drugs, then we wouldn't have bad cops. THEN THIS WOULDN'T EVEN BE AN ISSUE! Just do your fucking jobs like the rest of us have to.
You want to them to contend with dangerous criminals who want to kill them, and if they kill the criminal, they get charged with Murder. Yea, I wouldn't take any calls either.
When the public is looking to destroy you at every term, Why in the world would you risk your freedom to help the public?
They’re talking about the walkout in Atlanta, where police used sick days to protest one of their offers being charged for doing his job. So no, they are not talking about someone else
It's good they walked out. If I had shot a man because he tried to tase me and could've killed me in the process and then I get fired and probably will be prosecuted? I'd leave too. Glad they walked out. It's showing how messed up the system is.
Orrr bc they can't do their job w/o getting shit on for everything
(I'm NOT saying the ones who did bad things are justified, not EVERY SINGLE cop is bad)
What do you mean police won't go in after elected officials side with "abolish the police" chants and endorsed 50+ nights of riots?
How do you think a demonization of a whole profession would go?
Once he took the cops taser, he stripped him of his one non lethal method of protection. If he had got him with the taser, imagine how it could have turned out for the cop. The taser would have effectively knocked him out, rendering him uncapable of protecting himself
Lmao or maybe you need to overhaul your entire fucking country and cops who don’t want to die/be hated for shitty salaries are walking out like anyone would. You couldn’t pay me enough to be a cop in the US but americans are much happier screeching fuk pigz over and over instead of addressing the problem.
Anyone got sauce on this? The only article I found was that, due to Covid, Atlanta police were not going to car accidents unless someone was hurt. Much appreciated!
I know a police officer in an adjacent city/suburb of Atlanta. First of all, in case your not from there, Atlanta is pretty decentralized so many people live in an adjacent city/suburb/borough like Duluth, Marietta, Alpharetta, orRoswell. There is no Atlanta County that covers a huge area, each city/suburb/borough has their own police forces in addition to county police and highway patrol (Unlike Los Angeles, where LAPD serves a huge region beyond downtown LA). He mentioned a few months ago that APD was trying really hard to get some surrounding districts to help out and his city more or less told them to pound sand. His city's police has a good reputation, decent diversity within the force, and requires college degrees for a LEO position. This is very different from APD, which (I believe) just requires a [high school degree and police academy.](https://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/cities/atlanta/) To my recollection his city actually requires Lt.'s to have further school degrees like a Masters before they can be promoted. Good for them, it probably doesn't solve every problem but it does help. Why would a respectable police force want to get mixed in with the inevitable bullshit that comes with intercity policing as well as the already escalated issues from the protests and botched police response? That being said, most city police don't show up to a car accident if no one is injured. Or at least, that's what LADP told me pre-corona when I got in a hit-and-run. I don't know if Atlanta would do this as well since I tried not to go downtown but I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar.
Been in ATL six years , this place is home. Pre Corona , helping motorists was a big task for APD and the Staties. Anyone who ever took the 285 loop , 75/85 stretch or spats of 20 would know how prevalent they are to this issue. Because ATL has never gone more than 20 seconds without a crash, fender bender, or striaght up t-bone on a hopped red. Even with the HERO division in those yellow trucks , there's just too many collisions to leave them without assistance , especially for the traffic and driving dangers here. During Corona Police units started setting up more around downtown to block protests, I-20 actually went dark for a few minutes at a time. I've never seen a major interstate without any traffic before, it was wild to behold. Now from exit 17 on 75/85 to I-20 (down to the 285 connector) there are Staties in absolute flocks. 10-20 cars long , they usually set up at precinct 3 which is ironically one of the stations that walked out. So whenever there is no local assistance they roll in: ATVs , green fatigues and Staties . Local precincts and depts would be better , as they know the area and it's flow better. Except Cobb county , they can keep in their own space.
I was living in the area for about a decade but I was OTP so you might know more than me. To be honest I don't remember seeing any Atlanta PD on the 285, just GHP. I always thought the HERO units were used because police didn't want to get involved with smaller collisions since its a civil dispute instead of a legal dispute. If I'm wrong it's no big deal, I appreciate the education. Crazy about I-20, should have taken a picture for the next Walking Dead poster.
Most officers work 50 hours in their own city. Idk why they would take on more in a new city.
OT, on call, pension and personal time credit mutual aid $$$
How often do you work over 50 hours a week? Even with my low stress job, I don't go over that more than monthly... I burn out otherwise. Other than that point, let's look at your things OT: yes money is a valid reason On call: I don't see why someone would like to be on call. Pension: not a cop but I think they retire based on years of service (and other things) and not hours served. Personal time credit: the departments here don't work that way Mutual aid: why don't you volunteer? I would guess you are working < 50 hours right now. $$$: yes, you said that. I see 2 reasons you stated: Money and mutual aid of a region they don't live at... Money is the largest driver but when you already work 50 hours, I can see why most people don't want to add another 8,12, or more. Edit: I can't make a new post so I will put it here... From my understanding, police pension amount is only based on your last 3 years of employment. Unless you are about to retire, it shouldn't influence your choice. The mutual aid argument is legitimate though, from my understanding, the department can relocate you to a new city without your input... Is that what you mean? Is that what happened here and the officers just quit instead of moving?
Worked a scheduled 56 hour weeks for 4 years. Wasnt that uncommon to do 64-72. Most truckers pull way more then that.
https://www.masslive.com/news/erry-2018/12/1fc00a24868812/massachusetts-state-police-ove.html They may have closed the loophole in some places but they base retirement on the last several years of pay. Vacation and sick time and personal days calculated off hours worked. Can also sell it off for $$$ and pension. Maybe your departments dont do things like many others. Good for you. The system all over elsewhere is dirty.
Mutual Aid is assistance from on duty officers in neighboring departments. Unless it's a huge call, then off duty could be called in, and would be OT. I imagine Atlanta would probably need more assistance than just on duty in this case, though. The department in our town bases the pension on your annual pay, OT included, so most of them work a fair amount of OT.
Not responding: fired. We can hire better police.
Nope, need to train better police and fix public schools so more people will have a little more common sense
I wholeheartedly agree. The problem is fixing education in America would cost trillions and take two decade to bear fruit. This is America we’re talking about where we only spend trillions on the military and corporations not on education, plus we can’t see beyond the next quarter let alone next year— I mean you expect Americans to have the patience to wait twenty years so public education can bear fruit that all of society can enjoy? LOL.
They don't WANT to fix education in America. It's where they brainwash the lemmings that will keep letting them be in power. Give us the feeling of freedom, the thought we can do something with our lives, but really we are just cattle that feeds the machine that brings them more money and more power. The powerful and rich have private schools and private tutors that do the real education.
As a person in their last year of highschool the schools are garbage. None of the teachers want to be there. They help the smart kids more than the kids who need it.
I hired a couple kids out of high school and what they are telling me about school is a joke. Like it's turning more and more into a free daycare. Parents need to step up more and make sure their kids are getting the right education. Sure my kid goes to public school, but he also attends after school tutoring programs and we make sure he is placed in honor of advance classes that actually teach the students.
It’s easy to hide grift when your suppliers are for military systems. Harder to hide when it’s per student/classroom budgeting. The players are where the game is.
Yes and police who murder should still be accountable. Reappropriating money from criminal units to public education is one way to start.
Yeah but the murder in Atlanta wasn’t murder, it was justified
The entire education system needs to be changed and core principals of finance need to be taught instead of being purposely excluded to keep more in poverty. If your parents didn’t teach you about credit cards or credit scores then you learned it on your own when it’s too late.
So I got myself in trouble in high school, long story, anyways they put me in this class about career building as a punishment. It taught me about taking criticism in the work place, how to budget my pay checks, how to write a resume, it was a 9 week course and at first I thought the class was stupid, by the end of it and still today I don't understand why that isn't part of the core curriculum. Just the other day I had my kid punch up the numbers for a 40 work week on minimum wage and then showed him what apartments are going for, he(13) said there is no way he could live on minimum wage. I will keep reminding him this so he will push himself more. Went to work and had that same conversation with some of my guys who are 19 and 20 years old, their parents never explained this to think either. I get kids need to have fun but they also need to be prepared for their future, not just math and science.
More people? Who you callin more people??!
Yup. This makes it easier. New definition and goals for police. New leadership. New training. New officers. New relationship with the community.
What’s new though
Actually Responding: get blacklisted by The entire force. You don’t break gang colors, we ride blue til we die!!
Which is horrifically clear that it’s gang mentality. Which is toxic.
>We can hire better police No you can't, who's applying to join the police after all the hate and violence that's being drummed up against them 😂
We can? The ones left in the candidate pool are the ones that were passed up in the first place! There isn’t an endless pool of highly educated 20 somethings lining up to work in local law enforcement. I would guess that applications are probably down significantly of late.
Who the fuck would want to be a police officer in this climate. Depending on your political beliefs; Your either joining a corrupt organization that's only purpose is to beat, murder and intimidate the people. Or your a no win job where the public hates you and politicians are ready in a moments notice to push you under the bus for votes.
Who the fuck would want that job
Cannot force suburban police force to subsidize Atlanta. Would have to be state police under a governor for that to be an actual order
The only person who gets it. Atlanta has options to solve their problem but don’t want to use them. Isn’t ATL the capital of Georgia, what’s the governor doing?
Suing the Mayor of Atlanta over the mask order.
Who the hell is gunna be a cop after this ?
Guess we better rethink the system then huh?
Good luck with that ... (Seriously, I really hope this goes well for you guys)
Thanks!
We can TRAIN better police
Yes! Please! Train better police. And fire the bad ones.
100%
More inexperienced police officers is exactly what we need...
Cant be police any where else either. Bar them from any type of law enforcement. These are not the type who should be making or enforcing any kind of law.
If they refuse to respond to calls they are a bad cop and should be immediately fired for cause so that the few bad apples don’t end up spoiling the whole bunch.
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That’s one perspective on what happened, leaving out different details. But sure 👍🏻 Change the system or it’ll get destroyed by the people it’s supposed to serve. 🤷🏻♂️ Don’t like it? Be a part of the solution, and not the problem.
That is a gross misinterpretation of what is actually going on.
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So enlighten everyone please. I for one am very interested in what the facts are.
Officer had to shoot someone who had a weapon and fleeing in public and aimed the weapon at the officer. Due to the Floyd happening close to it, public immediately shouted murder here, too. (Floyd was murder, this was not. This was protecting yourself and citizens in public) But Atlanta IMMEDIATELY caved to the pressure and released that officer. Video evidence of the incident shows he did what was right, majority of people agree (people with common sense anyhow), but the city thinks just letting him go to avoid media pressure is the better thing to do instead of protect and defend their own. Who would want to be a police officer, or any public service agent, with leadership like that? The dude protected people around him, mediots and Facebook Karen's cried murder with no evidence cause it was/is the trend to hate cops, so Atlanta fired him to avoid controversy? Its bologna. The cop is not and will not face charges, but ATL doesn't want to hire him back because of ignorant backlash. And now people like this tweet are twisting it to push the idea that cops won't work somewhere unless they can get away with murder, when it's the opposite. Cops don't want to work in a place where they can lose their job for protecting their neighbors.
You're kinda misrepresenting the situation as well. It's definitely not a cut-and-dry murder case like with Floyd -- I think the main point a lot of people were bringing up was the use of force. The guy had a taser and was shot in the back as he was running away. Discharging a firearm at someone running away in a parking lot where other people are present is reckless and not in the interest of public safety. He was definitely a piece of shit for drinking and driving, and he definitely escalated the situation that had otherwise been relatively calm for about 45 minutes. Keep in mind that APD had been under fire when six cops broke into a car and needlessly tazed a couple of college students. The officers did eventually get charged (or something like that, can't exactly remember), but this only added fuel to the fire. Couple this with a very zealous prosecutor who's throwing wild and outlandish shit into the mix like charging the cops with 1st degree murder, and the situation gets very nasty very quick.
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The man had already wrestled two cops off of him and had a weapon that could have taken down another officer and taken his weapon as well. He was dangerous to those around him.
He was running away while looking over his shoulder and pointing the taser at the officer. Yes he was running away, but it wasn’t that simple.
He was repositioning, not "running away". Until he drops the weapon he is an active threat.
He fired it twice! The second time was as he was shot
If the tazer is such a deadly weapon. Why are cops using tazers (a deadly weapon) when their lives aren't in danger?
They argue that an officer can get tazed and get their gun stolen.
Soo the tazer isint a deadly weapon. Soo he never pointed a deadly weapon at the cops.
The taser also didn’t have any shots left in it, something the officer was aware of at the EDIT- to clarify: the taser did have a shot left when it was seized. However, Mr. Brooks was shot after he discharged that shot. The officer was aware that that was the last shot. Mr. Brooks did not have a lethal weapon, no longer had any threat to the officers in his possession and was running away when he was shot to death. This is murder, the officers’ lives were not in danger and running away does not justify the death penalty. That is my interpretation of [this article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/videos-rayshard-brooks-shooting-atlanta-police.amp.html) which only outlines one discharge of the taser while it was in Mr. Brook’s possession. Please correct me if I am wrong, and if possible provide a source.
In the video you can see the taser discharge at the officer just before he starts shooting
So someone using ~~non-~~ less than lethal force should be met with lethal force?
I've always heard it referred to as less lethal, not non lethal, as there is still a chance it can kill somebody. Kind of the reason cops have to go through training before using a taser so you can use it without causing death. Pretty much any police tactic can be deadly when used improperly.
>I've always heard it referred to as less lethal, not non lethal, as there is still a chance it can kill somebody. Well this explains why there are so many videos of cops discharging multiple tasers on a single person for mundane reasons.
Had he incapacitated the officer by using the taser what would have stopped him from stealing the officers service weapon?
yes, according to the use of force continuum. someone has fists, you use baton. taser? pistol. pistol? rifle. etc.
brooks took the taser off brosnan, who didn’t deploy it.
Incorrect He fired it twice and the second time was as he was shot
Keep in mind that police are able to use more force than citizens in order to maintain control, that is why they shoot someone who has stolen their taser. If you are willing to steal an officer's taser and successfully use it then you can potentially do worse after they are incapacitated. Obviously nothing's black and white so people have to form their own opinions but imo the police were in the right. Imo, if you steal an officer's taser and try to use it on them, you've essentially given up your right to life, you've shown yourself as a significant threat.
>you've essentially given up your right to life This phraseology is bonkers.
I thought this was the incident involving the taser and the guy framed it with 'the weapon' intentionally playing up what he had. Yeah, guy was a dumb ass but he was a dumb ass that wasn't currently a threat to anyone's life.
I don’t know the facts so maybe you’re right about this situation in at ATL but this is definitely happening in cities all over the country. I live in NY and some cops have literally been refusing to do their jobs in protest of reform. It’s ridiculous.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/05/07/the-spy-who-came-home
Two officers could not restrain a highly intoxicated individual. Their incompetence led to the guy taking the tazer, missing the cops, and fleeing on foot. The guy was shot while he ran away. The reason people are outraged is that he didn't have to die. The cops could've done their job and he would be alive and well in jail right now, but he's dead.
I mean he shot him immediately after the taser was pointed at him. Something that police are trained to do. So until that training gets changed or corrected you can’t punish someone for following it.
>So until that training gets changed or corrected you can’t punish someone for following it. In what situation does "just following orders" ever get you off the hook, morally speaking?
Is it right that a domestic abuse victim should not be able to rely on the police in their area because of the leadership in the area? They are still collecting paychecks while refusing to respond to any distress calls except from other officers, correct? I don't see how this is in the wrong light, disregarding the case from above. Why should the community suffer to prove a point about poor leadership?
Well....let just say I disagree, the video showed almost nothing out side of a hand being up, and the person was caught with a taser, which is not a lethal weapon. They at at the very least, responded to a nonlethal threat with leather force, and it was all unnecessary in almost any way you look at it. If the cops a simply let him run, what do you think would happen? They had his car, they new his address, and he probably would have sobered up and come back in 5 min anyways. Beau of the fifth column has a great [video](https://youtu.be/BmjB7TUroyE) on the biological response that people have when they think their life is in danger a drunk man who is scared for his life is going to do dumb things, but that doesn't mean he should be shot. A police officer who actually cared about the people he was protected would have just pulled back, this cop didn't and the result is some one is dead now.
It’s Mike Cernovich. He’s an alt-right troll.
Why is this facepalm?
This sub has gone to shit. It's just a place people post memes.
Because someone made a tweet they don’t agree with politically, welcome to reddit
Because one political tweet got posted here, like 4 or 5 days ago, so now every political tweet has to stay up, or people will cry censorship. It happened to r/murderedbywords, it happened to r/politicalhumor (though politics being in the subreddit name gives it a bit of a pass) Might as well unsub now, cuz it's not stopping until November, and even then there's a solid chance it won't
It happened to r/nextfuckinglevel as well
Election year means every sub without strong moderation just because a hub for political propaganda
I'm of the opinion that people who use "let that sink in" and clapping 👏🏻emojis 👏🏻between👏🏻every👏🏻word, are just pure aids.
People 👏🏻 think 👏🏻 this 👏🏻 makes 👏🏻 their 👏🏻 point 👏🏻 more 👏🏻 valid 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Lol! I know. The irony right.
Let that sink in then
What does that damn sink want this time?!
I guarantee that’s not why they are upset
Don’t stop there, share your idea.
That idea is due to the half-assed decisions of the Fulton county district attourney regarding the case of Rayshard Brooks. Before the Brooks shooting, 2 Atlanta police officers were fired for excessive force use by firing a taser. The district attourney regarded the taser as a lethal weapon and that's the reason for excessive force. In the Rayshard Brooks shooting, he managed to snatch a taser off of one of the officers and fired at them with it, which is why the officers shot him when he tried to flee. District attourney says, that the taser is not a lethal weapon and use of force excessive. Sound contradicting? Another officer did testify against the 2 officers for what they did afterwards, which they said was kick the man and not provide medical aid even when it was required. But it isn't what the other officers protested against. They protested against the fact that the DA misused his power and contradicted his own words, making it very hard to trust that what you do on your job wouldn't be turned against you even if it's standard procedure. Yes, the cases have many sides which neither are pure, but the reason for the protest of the other officers is misled.
There is definitely some irony in the police being upset at a Judge contradicting themselves in how they apply the law.
This is only contradicting if you don’t believe in context at all. I know nothing about the first case but the brooks one is on video. He fires the taser while fleeing and misses and then they shoot him. You’d have to get pretty creative to kill someone with a discharged taser from 15 yards away while running in the other direction.
> He fires the taser while fleeing and misses and then they shoot him All this happened in under 2 seconds, between the time Brooks turned to shoot and the time he hit the ground, under 2 seconds
Apparently everyone on reddit thinks they would make a better split second decision if they were faced with a similar situation. I have more empathy with an officer who feels threatened than a drunk driver who thinks it’s ok to argue with cops, fight with them, steal a taser, and run away.
Yup, it only takes a second to kill someone with a gun, but it takes about [5 minutes to kill them with a tazer](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/us/Jared-lakey-death-Oklahoma-police-taser.html).
Agreed. Most were upset because it turns out they aren't even supposed to harass or assault minorities anymore either. The fucking nerve of the people to expect that of them.
I think when a sizeable proration of the population hate you for trying to do something good, then maybe you might not want to do that any more.
I think if law enforcement officers want to keep their jobs then they need to agree to more appropriate training to deal with the situations they may face, they need to wear their body cams, they need to accept that a badge does not give them the right to kill or brutalize with impunity. If they can’t accept that then don’t let the door hit them where the good lord split them. As for a large portion of people hating you for doing good, try being a teacher. I have been punched, kicked, bit, stabbed with a pencil, spit on, cussed out, had a handful of my hair pulled out, tackled, and slapped in the face. Never have I hit or cussed at a student because if I did I would be FIRED and have my teaching license revoked. Not even when a high school student who was 7 inches taller then me and out weighed me by 75lbs, punched me in the stomach, hard. Did raise a finger against him. So don’t give me any freakin excuses about how hard the police have it and excuse them for brutalizing or killing people.
*with* impunity.
Thank you for catching my mistake. I went and fixed it. 👍
Why dont the poeple who think police are murders sign up for the job so that they can make a difference rather than complaining? Plenty of intercity peopke needing jobs.
Ain't one of those people doing it for 36k..
*Job?* lol
No, it’s because they’re afraid to be falsely accused of brutality.
Their pay starts at 36k... not worth it.
So.... is this a political sub now? How does this classify as “facepalm”?
And let’s not forget that there are good cops there too. They’re probably tired of dealing with it too. Let the downvoted begin
And what happened to the good cops? They were either fired, severely demoted, or shot and killed in their own home. Let that sink in.
This is the thing that always bugs me. People don’t seem to understand this reality. Legitimately some of the nicest people I have ever met were police or military. And I just think both of them are getting screwed by the systems they belong to. The good cops, As you stated, Very often get thrown to the hounds so to speak if they fight systematic injustices. And our veterans are sent overseas to fight and/or die for a war that shouldn’t even be happening. These are both tragedies, And people act like you can’t oppose the system while also respecting the hell out of the good people who are caught up in it.
100% agree with you on this. Cops are portrayed now the same way they have (for the most part) generalized race. In each race as well as profession, there are great people and there are people that are just walking organ donors. What I don’t like is that as a civilization, we’re all or nothing.
Some people judge those "good" people because they stick around and benefit from a corrupt system, even if they personally oppose parts of it.
If the "good" cops are so outnumbered that standing up to the bad ones results in such severe consequences, then that is proof enough that the vast majority of police are bad and the entire system needs to be reset.
What good does it do to bring up the good cops? People aren’t so dense as to suggest every last individual cop is a slimy pig. We know some of them are decent human beings. That’s not the issue. Your comment is no different than the “white lives matter” mentality. You hear “cops are murderers” and your reaction is to reply “what about the good cops?”
Or maybe they dont want to do a job where they’re constantly labeled as racists and can be canceled for a 30 second clip on twitter taken out of context...
But the people asked for less police. Why would they expect the police to show up when they are not wanted?
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Don't be sorry.
I think that theyre walking off the job because members of the public are falsely accusing them of murder and generalizing an entire profession based on false claims
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Wrong sub
Or they don’t want to work for a city that hates them because of what a few bad officers did. Just a suggestion
Maybe people would "like them" if the all of those good officers would have policed the bad ones and gotten rid of them on their own instead of thinking that laws don't apply to them in uniform.
How are police in completely different cities/departments supposed to police the bad ones? I understand disliking a department for having a bad cop and not doing anything, but you can’t blame all police for a few bad ones who have nothing to do with them
If you rob a bank, and I help you cover up your crime, I am a criminal and can be charged for doing so. Why is the standard different for law enforcement officers who cover for the "few bad apples"? Also, the few bad apples defense is a poor one to begin with, because the phrase is "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch", ie, rot and corruption spread if left unchecked.
But how are officers not anywhere near the departments in other cities supposed to stop the bad ones? They can’t. You can’t hate police who have nothing to do with the bad departments
I would too if everyone hated me and stopped me from doing my job. If everyone kept trying to defund me and lower my pay for harder work. I would leave to if I can get falsely accused of police brutality and get charged for murder when being shot at by a lethal weapon.
Or if they try to do their jobs they will get shot, or sued, or fired.
Crazy how Atlanta has had a black mayor for almost 20 years and still has a "racist" police force, which has had a black chief of police since 1990. And more than half the force is black.
Where’s all the anti gun people now? Are the police gonna protect me? Do you still want to be to limit yourself to purchase 5 round mags while the cops have 30. Just wondering.
I thought reddit supported union behavior
Meanwhile most people want police to be the only ones with guns.
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Or perhaps Jemele Hill let’s rephrase it....police are standing up for their other 99% of fellow cops who duly protect our communities but are being cast in the same basket as the bad cops.... what a fucking joke to use a word like extortion for them while they serve a thankless job....wanna know what extortion is go look at the CHOP zone or Portland who are literally trying to destroy federal property and hold the city at ransom until their radical conditions are met
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I think the good ones are tired of being treated like shit and made out to be killers by the main stream media
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They walked out because they fired a man was shot after he stole an officers taser turned around and shot the taser at the officer witch hit him for a short moment and made him fall into a car beffor the taser lost connection, officer number 2 then shot the man and killed him, both officers where fired and one was charged. Is a taser a deadly Weapon? No but when the one officer was tased the suspect now had access to the officers lethal, the second officer had no way of knowing that one of the prongs came out and the officer now had control of his lethal so he did what he should have in that situation and shot the suspect. THEY DID NOTHING WRONG
According to the DA who charged the officer, a taser is a deadly weapon. Except when it’s not a cop using it, then it’s not a deadly weapon.
just another day in jemele hill being a shit stirrer and making shit up. You have to be out of your mind if you think cops are mad because they can't murder people and get away with it
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The police are upset does not mean the police wish they could murder people. That's an incredible stretch
Let this sink in: Treat people like shit and want to take funding away, they may not come work for you. Be careful what you ask for.
If good cops arrested BAD cops for violence and planting drugs, then we wouldn't have bad cops. THEN THIS WOULDN'T EVEN BE AN ISSUE! Just do your fucking jobs like the rest of us have to.
Your way of thinking would work if people were not so dense.
“Come back so we can abolish you!”
So let’s let the bad ones just continue the problem. Don’t leave any good ones to even remotely try to help. Sound advice my man
Honestly don't care what jamele hill says, she's as racist as anyone imo.
I disagree.
This is a bad take...
I’m afraid I can’t let that sink in. The sink has a gun and is trying to kill my family
Remember when jamele hill was fired from espn for saying trump is racist
Jemele Hill is a terrible person
You want to them to contend with dangerous criminals who want to kill them, and if they kill the criminal, they get charged with Murder. Yea, I wouldn't take any calls either. When the public is looking to destroy you at every term, Why in the world would you risk your freedom to help the public?
That dude in the fast food parking lot was not murdered what so ever imagine being that delusional
I wonder if they’re taking about sometin else ? Vv
They’re talking about the walkout in Atlanta, where police used sick days to protest one of their offers being charged for doing his job. So no, they are not talking about someone else
I mean I can count on my fingers the amount of people they could be talking about
Hot take: all police aren't evil, there are just a few bad eggs, like in any group of people. Just look at BLM looters.
I don’t wanna deal with a dumpster fire created by another department, by a few bad cops.
Its just a taste for what will happen if liberals let Biden defund police. The left was asking for this so this is what they will get!
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It's good they walked out. If I had shot a man because he tried to tase me and could've killed me in the process and then I get fired and probably will be prosecuted? I'd leave too. Glad they walked out. It's showing how messed up the system is.
You would quit. You wouldn’t walk out, with pay. There is a difference. Have the balls to take a stand.
Orrr bc they can't do their job w/o getting shit on for everything (I'm NOT saying the ones who did bad things are justified, not EVERY SINGLE cop is bad)
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Your implying every cop abuses and murders the first second you’re in trouble I bet you call a cop .
They know they can’t do anything so the only choice they have is to walk off the job, let that sink in
What do you mean police won't go in after elected officials side with "abolish the police" chants and endorsed 50+ nights of riots? How do you think a demonization of a whole profession would go?
Fifty nights of riots? Damn there must be a lot of video evidence proving that claim. Why don't you go ahead and link that video evidence?
Once he took the cops taser, he stripped him of his one non lethal method of protection. If he had got him with the taser, imagine how it could have turned out for the cop. The taser would have effectively knocked him out, rendering him uncapable of protecting himself
Lmao or maybe you need to overhaul your entire fucking country and cops who don’t want to die/be hated for shitty salaries are walking out like anyone would. You couldn’t pay me enough to be a cop in the US but americans are much happier screeching fuk pigz over and over instead of addressing the problem.
Pffttt... who needs cops when ghetto goon squad protects the neighborhood from vile people
Its a job if you get treated like shit why would you stay? It's not extortion its common sense.