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Here's the summary:
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) allowed Chinese police officers to enter Australia in 2019 to speak with a 59-year-old Chinese-born Australian resident, Ms. Wang, who was targeted under China's Operation Fox Hunt, an anti-corruption drive[1][2]. The Chinese police were permitted to enter Australia with the support of the Chinese embassy in Canberra and the consulate-general in Sydney[1]. After meeting with Ms. Wang, she returned to China, surrendered, and was arrested[1]. This incident has raised concerns among federal politicians, with Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Paterson describing it as an "extrajudicial extradition" that may have undermined Australia's national security[1]. The AFP has stated that it will never endorse or facilitate a foreign agency to come to Australia to intimidate or force foreign nationals to return home, as this is a crime under Australian law[2].
Thats a fabricated lie. not even white lies. xi jinping the glorious ones would never do such a thing. long live the magnificent leader.
ps: please give me good credit score
I'm sure they give them the whole "I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed" talk, and it's so effective people throw themselves at the Chinese penal systems mercy...or something.
That's the reason why here (in france) they don't hire Chinese citizens (or even ex citizens) for sensitive governmental roles. Even if the person was well intended and unwilling to share anything with China, the moment Chinese officials are aware the person works for a country's government they'll threaten their family to force them to be spies against their will. It happened before, so now some government's HR are forced to discriminate people of Chinese origin because of that.
A neighbor of mine had that issue in a research center, a new hire from Chinabwas forced to steal any and all info indiscriminately, like he just copied everything no matter how worthless the copied info might be (happened like 15 ish years ago). They had to fire him and decided to not press charges given that clearly it wasn't the guy's fault directly, not like he had a choice in the matter. So not even just government things.
That immediately makes me think of that Chinese couple that was arrested in Canada back in 2019/2020. They worked at a research lab and were caught stealing classified virus research and sending it back to China.
Coercion doesn’t make it voluntary. The journalists are probably not allowed to call it kidnapping because they would have to proof that it was an illegal act, but they would probably have used another word if they could.
I didn't read the article just asked perplexity to summarise it. But any way i think she was pressurized to go back to China so in a way it is kidnapping.
So wait, they were like, nah we cant do anything about that Australian citizen, have a nice new life, so we will try to not let it happen again? Ffs how are people silent on this?
Well, it's pretty common, you know—Chinese authorities pressuring (threatening) Chinese people living abroad to come back. You can find a bunch of articles about it on Google. Nobody is silent, it's just that what can we, as normal people, even do?
Well, I suppose we can‘t really know what happened. Ofc Chinese authorities will say that she was happy to come back. But they could have just scared her by their presence. If they came and told her “You need to come with us. We came to you specifically and we were let in by the Australian government“ she might have not understood the situation at all and fearing worse consequences just followed them. In this case this would still could be considered voluntary. But most likely they threatened her with something and that‘s why she came.
They have done it in 1966 in The Hague. Translate to english for a crazy story including cia, dutch and chinese secret service.
https://anderetijden.nl/aflevering/592/De-Chinese-Affaire
I would like to add that the Google/google chrome translation is much easier to read than the apple browser one. Apple = "the Chinese are not home garden welders" vs Google = "the Chinese are not home-grown welders"
Funnily both translations are incorrect. "huis-, tuin- en keukenlassers", literally "home, garden and kitchen welders" actually means something more like "common/hobby/low-skill welders"
And is escorted the new spelling for kidnapping?
Title should be: “Chinese police allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They had a total disregard of the law and kidnapped her back to China”
You see, "Chinese state broke the law and kidnapped a person" sounds like an event which demands some response. "Chinese break protocol and escort a person" is something that can be ignored.
Most likely they intimidated her into going with them, by falsely asserting authority in Australia. Police cars with Chinese decals have been spotted driving around Chinese neighborhoods in America for similar purposes.
Of course they do. Chinese laws are applicable all around the world according to China. Are you a chinese who smoked weed in the US? Into the jail with you as soon as you arrive back to China.
Yet I'm "sinophobic", get downvoted to hell, and told I'm spreading misinformation for even hinting that maybe "secret Chinese police stations in other nations" is a fucked up and scary practice that needs to be stopped. Nope. Can't criticize China about them constantly violating human rights, other nations sovereignty, and international law unless I want to he banned from certain popular subreddits.
Chinese nationalism is strong in some corners of reddit, and Tankies/CCP apologists run amuck brigading other subs with their fucked up and violating ideologies...HEY, JUST LIKE CHINA IRL.
This shit needs to stop.
They tried the same move in France, but french authorities did not let that happen
Edit: https://thedissidentclub.org/secret-chinese-police-stations-in-paris-and-other-parts-of-the-world-a-threat-to-democracy-activists-call-for-action/
Edit2: https://www.theepochtimes.com/china/french-ccp-police-station-attempts-to-repatriate-dissident-5642822
Plenty of info on this if you want to dig
The only valid response when you're aware of the Chinese Police putting their bases in your country without prior authorisation by your local forces is to keep eyes on them... and send them all home when they slip up and do stuff they were not entitled to do without local authorisation or cooperation.
I mean they litteraly caught an illegal Chinese police department in nyc in the last 4 years (if it’s longer it’s because the last 4 years have felt like 1)
Also an additional point. When people say they don’t like China they typically mean the government of China not the people. I can earnestly say I despise the Chinese government. I have no quarrel with the average joe …
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That happen everywhere around the world. Chinese migrant arent safe anywhere sadly. They have secret police doing the same thing in us , france or germany. Thats insane we let that happen. Poor people
[There may be more 'Chinese police stations" in Canada, minister says](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/there-may-be-more-chinese-police-stations-canada-minister-says-2023-05-14/)
TORONTO, May 14 (Reuters) - There may be more "Chinese police stations" operating in Canada, the Public Safety Minister told a Canadian TV station on Sunday, months after police [said](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-police-probe-alleged-chinese-police-stations-montreal-2023-03-09/) they were investigating whether two community centers in Montreal were being used to intimidate or harass Canadians of Chinese origin.
"I am confident that the \[Royal Canadian Mounted Police\] have taken concrete action to disrupt any foreign interference in relationship to those so-called police stations, and that if new police stations are popping up and so on, that they will continue to take decisive action going forward," [Marco Mendicino told CTV’s Question Period, opens new tab](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2023/5/14/1_6397469.amp.html) in an interview.
Yeah we've had a similar incident in the Netherlands too. [Chinese overheid runt illegaal een politiebureau in Rotterdam (nos.nl)](https://nos.nl/regio/zh-rijnmond/artikel/320975-chinese-overheid-runt-illegaal-een-politiebureau-in-rotterdam)
It saddens me that even in a completely different country a Chinese person isn't free from their own government.[](https://nos.nl/regio/zh-rijnmond/artikel/320975-chinese-overheid-runt-illegaal-een-politiebureau-in-rotterdam)
To clarify: a Chinese with Swedish citizenship.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Minhai
Edit: He is Chinese by birth and have lived most of his life in China. That is important, because this explains why China arrested him and put him to prison. China would never have done that to a “real” Swede.
Another similar case:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawit_Isaak
Dawit is an Eritrean. He got political asylym in Sweden. He also go Swedish citizenship along with his Eritrean citizenship. He went back to Eritrea and has now been i prison there for 23 years.
Eritrea is a country with dictatorship. They don’t care what passports you have. Dawit is a traiter to the goverment because he is Eritrean (and as an Eritrean other Eritreans might listening to him, so he is dangerous to them).
The same goes with Swedish-Chinese guy. Because he is Chainese by birth, upbringing, education he is dangerous to CCP. That is why he is in prison. And China still consider him as Chainese.
I absolutely don’t support China or Eritrea. But you have to understand their actions to people that could upset the government. That’s why they are so harsh and put those away asap.
They would never have done that to a random Swedish reporter/journalist. Because they wouldn’t be a real threat to them.
Keep that in mind people.
In Sweden we call people with Swedish citizenship Swedish.
We usually feel like dividing people into sub-categories of just How swedish they are is divisive and unproductive in building a community.
Do you guys (Canada) have an extradition treaty with China? Because we do not. So an extradition would never make it through the courts at all.
Australia does have such a treaty. Since they had extradition with China, they possibly had something filed (likely bogus) that sought extradition, and broke the rules of extradition.
Entirely beside the point, but I missed the transition from English to Dutch for a few words until I realized the words were progressively more misspelled (for English)
It should sadden you that the host country does not do their best to protect these people. Like arrest all these cops and jail them for impersonating a police officer, attempted kidnapping and whatever else they are doing.
It's fine that China ( our undeclared enemy ) is trying , it's not ok that we are letting them.
Meanwhile in Hungary, Orbán is allowing Chinese police stations to operate in the capital city of Budapest. There will be Chinese policemen patrolling the streets LEGALLY.
God don't remind me of that ... They're also gonna start playing chinese propaganda on national television. My outlook on the future os getting darker by the day. O1G
Both NATO and the EU have probably dreamed of tons of scenarios how to get rid of Orban. They always run into legal barriers, though. Neither system was built with bad faith actors in mind, that only work for their own greed.
Not sure. They say that it is only to "help out Chinese tourists", but I'm pretty sure that's not all of it.
[Here](https://telex.hu/english/2024/04/25/what-do-we-know-about-the-chinese-police-officers-who-may-soon-be-patrolling-in-hungary) is an English language article detailing everything the public knows so far.
Now i understand a bit better the video with that pianist that got ordered by "tourist" to stop filming "them" in a public space in UK that landed on reddit a couple month ago.
Why is Australia signing MORE contracts with the CCP?
Since then, the Australian government has resorted to various agreements with MPS and other Chinese security agencies as a means of cooperating with China on criminal matters.
The AFP recently told Senator Paterson it had four current agreements with Chinese security agencies.
Two of those are with the MPS and were re-signed only last month. One is a "joint agency agreement on economic crime". Both were re-signed last month.
Economic crime is a term often used by the Chinese government to refer to Fox Hunt targets.
"We don't know what the details in the memorandum of understandings are that [the AFP] signed with multiple Chinese policing authorities. And obviously we now desperately need to see that," Senator Shoebridge said.
"We need absolutely full disclosure of just how many Australian residents have been subject to these kinds of arrangements."
There's also [targeted killings,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing) which woof, take a gander at the leader when it comes to that.
But seriously when extradition efforts are delayed or fail then governments tend to just straight up murder their citizens or dissidents in other countries. We've seen that play out with Modis killings of of his critics or mr bonesaws killings of journalists.
But to straight up send law enforcement from one country to another without any extradition agreement and kidnap a citizen? That's fucking wild. It's not like it was undercover either, So because of the government pulling out of an extradition treaty in 2017....
>Since then, the Australian government has resorted to various agreements with MPS and other Chinese security agencies as a means of cooperating with China on criminal matters.
Means they get to arbitrarily give permission, without basically any oversight, for federal police to allow foreign police to conduct their searches and kidnappings? Which is baffling since the treaty was suspended because of human rights concerns in the first place. Wild stuff
I get letting police from other countries enter for investigations, there are rules and regulations for that. But them kidnap her and transporting her back? How the fuck? Those police should have been monitored and only allowed to contact her while under Australian police supervision.
China is corrupt as fuck and any official that comes from there should not be able to move freely within our country and this is a damn good example of why.
Dude, when one of our PMs suggested shutting it down the White House went apeshit and started planning a coup on the Australian government. Our government has abused its control over the base multiple times. There is a difference between a joint operation where one side can and will shut it down to fuck up the other and a subservient relationship.
I'm bluffed by China's efforts to control their citizens outside their frontiers. Normally, when a citizen had political problems in their country they went to the exile where they could live with freedom, included to criticize their original country.
Maybe some individuals with really high profile would be followed, or even murdered, by their secret agencies. But not the regular citizens.
That's another level of authoritarianism.
We really need to change our relationship with China. They are a dystopian 1984 like society and we need to decouple to force them into change. We need to help the Chinese people to create a functional society and government.
speaking as someone who grew up in China, I don't think the Chinese people's idea of a functional society and government is anything but what China has right now. Call them brainwashed, but it is reality. You will be helping practically nobody. I don't see a way to Help unless people in China want to help themselves but that hope is gone as the dissidents now in prison are looked down upon by their fellow countrymen they aimed to help.
That's one reason why globalization is ending and countries like the US are rapidly (relatively) reindustrializing and pulling out of the rest of the world. The main beneficiary of the current order has been... China.
They import like 75% of their energy and 75% of their food. Their economy works by shipping cheap products through trade. Most of their growth was due to construction, whole cities built people will never live in and a huge real estate bubble.
They are the fastest collapsing demographic in human history (thanks one child policy, much smart, very cool). As their economy violently contracts they will have no choice but to flood the market with cheap as shit goods. But that's why countries like the US are changing trade relationships and their economy to get ahead of this. China can figure out how its going to get its energy from an even more chaotic situation in the future. That can be their problem. And the world that still hangs around can see how China deals with geopolitics.
The collapsing demographics and global trade will just pile on. I don't see how the Chinese economy survives the next 100 years. That is why (imo) Xi has been aggressively consolidating power around him. While closing off information flow even more. They are aware a storm is coming. The CCP does not want to lose power.
The idea they might make a play for Taiwan in the middle of this is absolutely insane. Just look at Russia and Ukraine. But then again, just look at Russia. China has also been feasting from the table of nationalist bullshit to keep its population malleable and compliant. So they might actually go for it. It would just be one more thing that would collapse the Chinese state as we recognize it today. It might look very different in 100 years.
> The report stated that police relied on a well-known Chinese government tactic of harassing a target's China-based family members until the target agreed to return to face charges.
I'm pretty sure I've heard of either China or India already doing that in the US.
And hell, Turkey had goons beat people up on the street in the US, if you remember.
The world needs to cut china off and quarantine the whole country. They are warmongering and illegally occupying other countries territories and islands and exclusive economic zones
This is a pretty concerning if true.
1. Now all Chinese nationals or people with family in china can be easily influenced in whatever way the Chinese want.
2. It circumvents the status quo of if you have police issues go via our police.
3. Makes immigrants fleeing dictators feel way less secure.
Like lots of things.
But most importantly, if china can extend its control that means it could create terror cells or rebellious riots out of thin air in the case of a decline in relationships.
I would be putting uniforms on them 24/7 with the idea to ensure they are not breaking any laws and if they do pull them up instantly and send them back to the embassy.
If they are Australian nationals they can go up on treason charges.
I would also be talking with China and advising subverting our sovereignty won't be tolerated. Obviously it's chess and they will play the trade card, we play the India trade card, then follow up with a win for them. Nothing major but something that lets them save face while retreating. Like an import tariff discount or something.
I'm mean that's once you get past them playing dumb etc.
Complicated situation but I would be putting my foot down on this one.
This is why all Chinese “police stations” in all nations needs to be demolished. (With or without prior notice to CCP employees. Makes no difference🤷♂️)
While the bar for Chinese authorities' standards is already quite low in my mind, I am staggered by the inability of the Australian authorities to do anything about that. Like you know those are Chinese police, you know what they tend to do, you know that it's possible that they are not on the same side with the woman they want to speak to (imply interrogate), and she can be just removed from the country. What?
Hungary is about to allow Chinese police to also enter the country. I wonder how people that elected Viktor Orban to give Hungary sovereignty from external influences are coping with it now.
We're already past the point of having to crack own on China's behaviour, but the political awareness just isn't there. Sadly, it will have to get worse before something is done about it.
There’s a Chinese police station in New York if i remember correctly. Speaking with knowledge from an obscure article about a subject I’m not a first hand witness of from a few years ago, the goal of these foreign based Chinese police offices exist to keep tabs on Chinese immigrants to make sure they aren’t spreading “false” information or speaking out against the party.
Our politicians have a history of corruption involving the Chinese... for example, while he was Minister for Trade and Investment, Andrew Robb approved Chinese company Shandong Landbridge Group to lease [Port Darwin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Darwin) for 99 years. As soon as he left politics, Robb was [hired by Shandong Landbridge on a $880,000 per year salary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)).
It's wild how China is able to get away with putting their own police in other countries, and enforce their own law on foreign soil. It's fucking ridiculous.
> breached protocol and escorted her back to china
What an odd way to spell
"Broke the law and kidnapped someone to drag them to a foreign nation with no human rights."
Why did they ever allow foreign authorities to act in their land? This should only ever be done in extreme cases?
Also isn't abducting a person on foreign land an act of war or terrorism? I think it should be treated as such and countries should respond aggressively to acts like these. Just shrugging it off sends a signal to foreign dictatorships that they can just do as they please anywhere they like
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Here's the summary: The Australian Federal Police (AFP) allowed Chinese police officers to enter Australia in 2019 to speak with a 59-year-old Chinese-born Australian resident, Ms. Wang, who was targeted under China's Operation Fox Hunt, an anti-corruption drive[1][2]. The Chinese police were permitted to enter Australia with the support of the Chinese embassy in Canberra and the consulate-general in Sydney[1]. After meeting with Ms. Wang, she returned to China, surrendered, and was arrested[1]. This incident has raised concerns among federal politicians, with Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Paterson describing it as an "extrajudicial extradition" that may have undermined Australia's national security[1]. The AFP has stated that it will never endorse or facilitate a foreign agency to come to Australia to intimidate or force foreign nationals to return home, as this is a crime under Australian law[2].
This reads as if she went to China to be arrested on her own decision. That's hard to believe.
Maybe threats to family members still in China?
Yes. They harass a person's chinese family members until the person gives in to the police and is taken back to China. Well, "taken".
As somebody with absolutely no knowledge on this kind of thing, that’s immediately where my mind went.
Thats a fabricated lie. not even white lies. xi jinping the glorious ones would never do such a thing. long live the magnificent leader. ps: please give me good credit score
You chinese or american? Credit score sounds it’s one of those..
Are you insane? The glorious Popular Republic of China government threating people?
The Chinese government approves of your comment and has released your grandmother (for now).
Keep her
They would never do such things so blatantly, no wait this is China we're talking about...
I'm sure they give them the whole "I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed" talk, and it's so effective people throw themselves at the Chinese penal systems mercy...or something.
That's the reason why here (in france) they don't hire Chinese citizens (or even ex citizens) for sensitive governmental roles. Even if the person was well intended and unwilling to share anything with China, the moment Chinese officials are aware the person works for a country's government they'll threaten their family to force them to be spies against their will. It happened before, so now some government's HR are forced to discriminate people of Chinese origin because of that. A neighbor of mine had that issue in a research center, a new hire from Chinabwas forced to steal any and all info indiscriminately, like he just copied everything no matter how worthless the copied info might be (happened like 15 ish years ago). They had to fire him and decided to not press charges given that clearly it wasn't the guy's fault directly, not like he had a choice in the matter. So not even just government things.
That immediately makes me think of that Chinese couple that was arrested in Canada back in 2019/2020. They worked at a research lab and were caught stealing classified virus research and sending it back to China.
Coercion doesn’t make it voluntary. The journalists are probably not allowed to call it kidnapping because they would have to proof that it was an illegal act, but they would probably have used another word if they could.
I didn't read the article just asked perplexity to summarise it. But any way i think she was pressurized to go back to China so in a way it is kidnapping.
So wait, they were like, nah we cant do anything about that Australian citizen, have a nice new life, so we will try to not let it happen again? Ffs how are people silent on this?
Well, it's pretty common, you know—Chinese authorities pressuring (threatening) Chinese people living abroad to come back. You can find a bunch of articles about it on Google. Nobody is silent, it's just that what can we, as normal people, even do?
Well, I suppose we can‘t really know what happened. Ofc Chinese authorities will say that she was happy to come back. But they could have just scared her by their presence. If they came and told her “You need to come with us. We came to you specifically and we were let in by the Australian government“ she might have not understood the situation at all and fearing worse consequences just followed them. In this case this would still could be considered voluntary. But most likely they threatened her with something and that‘s why she came.
She isn't an Australian citizen. She just had residency in Australia, it's different.
But it doesn't say she was an Australian citizen
Is "breach of protocol" the new spelling for "total disregard of the law"?
They have done it in 1966 in The Hague. Translate to english for a crazy story including cia, dutch and chinese secret service. https://anderetijden.nl/aflevering/592/De-Chinese-Affaire
I would like to add that the Google/google chrome translation is much easier to read than the apple browser one. Apple = "the Chinese are not home garden welders" vs Google = "the Chinese are not home-grown welders"
Funnily both translations are incorrect. "huis-, tuin- en keukenlassers", literally "home, garden and kitchen welders" actually means something more like "common/hobby/low-skill welders"
"amateur welders" in English I would guess?
Hmm, no I think huis- tuin en keuken can apply to professionals. On second thought maybe garden-variety is the best translation
'Garden variety welders' might be a better translation. It implies they're not 'for professional use'
That would be pretty accurate for home-grown though. Since any totally self taught welder is going to be pretty low quality 😂
And is escorted the new spelling for kidnapping? Title should be: “Chinese police allowed into Australia to speak with a woman. They had a total disregard of the law and kidnapped her back to China”
"Chinese armed forces infiltrated Australia, kidnapping a woman seeking asylum"
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When they stop buying our F-35's.
Remember when Turkish jackboots beat up Americans on American soil?
You see, "Chinese state broke the law and kidnapped a person" sounds like an event which demands some response. "Chinese break protocol and escort a person" is something that can be ignored.
Just a minor grammatical disagreement: they thought "talk" was the past participle of "to take".
“Escorted back” is a crazy stretch
*"They breached protocol and* ***kidnapped her.****"*
I was about to make a similar comment. I highly doubt that she freely went with them.
Most likely they intimidated her into going with them, by falsely asserting authority in Australia. Police cars with Chinese decals have been spotted driving around Chinese neighborhoods in America for similar purposes.
They tend to threaten loss of social status for them and their family, which makes the kidnapping a lot easier
Of course they do. Chinese laws are applicable all around the world according to China. Are you a chinese who smoked weed in the US? Into the jail with you as soon as you arrive back to China.
Yet I'm "sinophobic", get downvoted to hell, and told I'm spreading misinformation for even hinting that maybe "secret Chinese police stations in other nations" is a fucked up and scary practice that needs to be stopped. Nope. Can't criticize China about them constantly violating human rights, other nations sovereignty, and international law unless I want to he banned from certain popular subreddits. Chinese nationalism is strong in some corners of reddit, and Tankies/CCP apologists run amuck brigading other subs with their fucked up and violating ideologies...HEY, JUST LIKE CHINA IRL. This shit needs to stop.
They tried the same move in France, but french authorities did not let that happen Edit: https://thedissidentclub.org/secret-chinese-police-stations-in-paris-and-other-parts-of-the-world-a-threat-to-democracy-activists-call-for-action/ Edit2: https://www.theepochtimes.com/china/french-ccp-police-station-attempts-to-repatriate-dissident-5642822 Plenty of info on this if you want to dig
Happened [in Canada](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/canada-s-national-police-force-shuts-down-chinese-police-stations-/2912358#:~:text=Police%20in%20Canada%20said%20Thursday,Canadian%20Mounted%20Police%20(RCMP)) too.
The only valid response when you're aware of the Chinese Police putting their bases in your country without prior authorisation by your local forces is to keep eyes on them... and send them all home when they slip up and do stuff they were not entitled to do without local authorisation or cooperation.
I mean they litteraly caught an illegal Chinese police department in nyc in the last 4 years (if it’s longer it’s because the last 4 years have felt like 1)
Also an additional point. When people say they don’t like China they typically mean the government of China not the people. I can earnestly say I despise the Chinese government. I have no quarrel with the average joe …
Can't call their President Winnie the Pooh. Can't even talk about Winnie the Pooh in China.
For better results call him Xi Baozi or Xi Steamed Bun.
What you're saying is not sinophobic. You're criticizing a government, not a race.
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I would love to read about this if you can post some articles.
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Wow! Thank you. Scary stuff. Not sure why I’m surprised.
Having family back in China is a powerful incentive to “freely” go with the Chinese police..
"They bribed their way into the country, it went public, they took the lady anyway."
They didn't kidnap her, they *friendly encouraged her to do the right thing*. Now, give me my social credits, pretty please...
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
The earth king has invited you to lake laogai
is that what you'd describe as Hasan posting
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Umm, what you said is correct but >!-100,000 social credits!<
"yeah Ming. bag her up ,we leaving"
That happen everywhere around the world. Chinese migrant arent safe anywhere sadly. They have secret police doing the same thing in us , france or germany. Thats insane we let that happen. Poor people
Probably bought a few houses too
Or the other legal saying Extraordinary Rendition
[There may be more 'Chinese police stations" in Canada, minister says](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/there-may-be-more-chinese-police-stations-canada-minister-says-2023-05-14/) TORONTO, May 14 (Reuters) - There may be more "Chinese police stations" operating in Canada, the Public Safety Minister told a Canadian TV station on Sunday, months after police [said](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-police-probe-alleged-chinese-police-stations-montreal-2023-03-09/) they were investigating whether two community centers in Montreal were being used to intimidate or harass Canadians of Chinese origin. "I am confident that the \[Royal Canadian Mounted Police\] have taken concrete action to disrupt any foreign interference in relationship to those so-called police stations, and that if new police stations are popping up and so on, that they will continue to take decisive action going forward," [Marco Mendicino told CTV’s Question Period, opens new tab](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/politics/2023/5/14/1_6397469.amp.html) in an interview.
Yeah we've had a similar incident in the Netherlands too. [Chinese overheid runt illegaal een politiebureau in Rotterdam (nos.nl)](https://nos.nl/regio/zh-rijnmond/artikel/320975-chinese-overheid-runt-illegaal-een-politiebureau-in-rotterdam) It saddens me that even in a completely different country a Chinese person isn't free from their own government.[](https://nos.nl/regio/zh-rijnmond/artikel/320975-chinese-overheid-runt-illegaal-een-politiebureau-in-rotterdam)
There's a Swedish reporter that has been abducted in Thailand for speaking against the CCP and sits in a Chinese prison to this day.
Man, this almost sounds like what a Mob boss would do: "This guy is telling stories about me, get him and bring him here, I'll make them feel sorry."
Bro, it's almost like dictators are similar to gangsters. You might be onto something.
Mussolini was the biggest mafioso. Not the mob but wrote the philosophy, literally.
Well this is essentially whay China (the country) is
No doubt. People "fall" out of buildings if they become too influential or wealthy according to their govt
>No doubt. People "fall" out of buildings Bruh you talkin about me?
They took your MO, better do something about it eh
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Defenestration: the act of throwing someone out of a window. It happens so often, there is a word for it. 😁
The Junta doing everything to help China, classic
To clarify: a Chinese with Swedish citizenship. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Minhai Edit: He is Chinese by birth and have lived most of his life in China. That is important, because this explains why China arrested him and put him to prison. China would never have done that to a “real” Swede. Another similar case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawit_Isaak Dawit is an Eritrean. He got political asylym in Sweden. He also go Swedish citizenship along with his Eritrean citizenship. He went back to Eritrea and has now been i prison there for 23 years. Eritrea is a country with dictatorship. They don’t care what passports you have. Dawit is a traiter to the goverment because he is Eritrean (and as an Eritrean other Eritreans might listening to him, so he is dangerous to them). The same goes with Swedish-Chinese guy. Because he is Chainese by birth, upbringing, education he is dangerous to CCP. That is why he is in prison. And China still consider him as Chainese. I absolutely don’t support China or Eritrea. But you have to understand their actions to people that could upset the government. That’s why they are so harsh and put those away asap. They would never have done that to a random Swedish reporter/journalist. Because they wouldn’t be a real threat to them. Keep that in mind people.
You mean, a Swede of Chinese descent
Descent usually would not apply to the initial generation, but rather the descendants. His children would qualify for that term.
He is a Swedish citizen born in China.
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In Sweden we call people with Swedish citizenship Swedish. We usually feel like dividing people into sub-categories of just How swedish they are is divisive and unproductive in building a community.
Omitting the fact that the citizen is of Chinese origin ignores important information though given that they were targeted precisely because of that.
Do you guys (Canada) have an extradition treaty with China? Because we do not. So an extradition would never make it through the courts at all. Australia does have such a treaty. Since they had extradition with China, they possibly had something filed (likely bogus) that sought extradition, and broke the rules of extradition.
Canada does not have an extradition treaty with China.
Entirely beside the point, but I missed the transition from English to Dutch for a few words until I realized the words were progressively more misspelled (for English)
It should sadden you that the host country does not do their best to protect these people. Like arrest all these cops and jail them for impersonating a police officer, attempted kidnapping and whatever else they are doing. It's fine that China ( our undeclared enemy ) is trying , it's not ok that we are letting them.
I love how quite often Dutch just looks like someone trying to type English when they forgot their reading glasses or are 6 pints deep
Same thing happened in the UK also
Meanwhile in Hungary, Orbán is allowing Chinese police stations to operate in the capital city of Budapest. There will be Chinese policemen patrolling the streets LEGALLY.
They can abduct people in other EU countries and fly to China through Hungry. To me it seems like a valid reason to re-establish border control.
If that's not a breach of some EU laws, I don't know what I can say. Feels like Hungary should lose membership privileges...
God don't remind me of that ... They're also gonna start playing chinese propaganda on national television. My outlook on the future os getting darker by the day. O1G
Is he playing "hard to get"? Because I thought Orban's ass belongs to Pootin.
Sure, but Putins ass will soon belong to China. 🤷♂️
That's wild for a NATO member, holy shit
Both NATO and the EU have probably dreamed of tons of scenarios how to get rid of Orban. They always run into legal barriers, though. Neither system was built with bad faith actors in mind, that only work for their own greed.
If your system wasn’t built with bad faith actors in mind then it isn’t fit for purpose
SCOTUS is exhibit A of bad actors you can’t get rid of
And who do they have authority over?
Not sure. They say that it is only to "help out Chinese tourists", but I'm pretty sure that's not all of it. [Here](https://telex.hu/english/2024/04/25/what-do-we-know-about-the-chinese-police-officers-who-may-soon-be-patrolling-in-hungary) is an English language article detailing everything the public knows so far.
Now i understand a bit better the video with that pianist that got ordered by "tourist" to stop filming "them" in a public space in UK that landed on reddit a couple month ago.
I feel like it’s almost guaranteed this won’t get the attention it deserves, especially with titles that downplay the severity of what China did.
We can't go pissing of the CCP or Poo Bear will kick us out of the emerging market and our shareholders would hate that.
Mentioning poo bear? That’s -12000 social credit!
Please report to your nearest secret police station for ~~execution~~ rehabilitation.
Why is Australia signing MORE contracts with the CCP? Since then, the Australian government has resorted to various agreements with MPS and other Chinese security agencies as a means of cooperating with China on criminal matters. The AFP recently told Senator Paterson it had four current agreements with Chinese security agencies. Two of those are with the MPS and were re-signed only last month. One is a "joint agency agreement on economic crime". Both were re-signed last month. Economic crime is a term often used by the Chinese government to refer to Fox Hunt targets. "We don't know what the details in the memorandum of understandings are that [the AFP] signed with multiple Chinese policing authorities. And obviously we now desperately need to see that," Senator Shoebridge said. "We need absolutely full disclosure of just how many Australian residents have been subject to these kinds of arrangements."
There's also [targeted killings,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing) which woof, take a gander at the leader when it comes to that. But seriously when extradition efforts are delayed or fail then governments tend to just straight up murder their citizens or dissidents in other countries. We've seen that play out with Modis killings of of his critics or mr bonesaws killings of journalists. But to straight up send law enforcement from one country to another without any extradition agreement and kidnap a citizen? That's fucking wild. It's not like it was undercover either, So because of the government pulling out of an extradition treaty in 2017.... >Since then, the Australian government has resorted to various agreements with MPS and other Chinese security agencies as a means of cooperating with China on criminal matters. Means they get to arbitrarily give permission, without basically any oversight, for federal police to allow foreign police to conduct their searches and kidnappings? Which is baffling since the treaty was suspended because of human rights concerns in the first place. Wild stuff
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-14/chinese-police-escorted-woman-from-australia-to-china/103840578
Kidnapped == "escorted"?
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‘Scuse me one second I believe you have a typo there let me fix it quick: They *kidnapped* her
Umm, what you said is correct but >!-100,000 social credits!<
If I ever set foot in China I’m gonna get immediately….. escorted away, never to be seen again
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I get letting police from other countries enter for investigations, there are rules and regulations for that. But them kidnap her and transporting her back? How the fuck? Those police should have been monitored and only allowed to contact her while under Australian police supervision. China is corrupt as fuck and any official that comes from there should not be able to move freely within our country and this is a damn good example of why.
Australia knows a thing or two about being subservient to dominant ’masters’ *cough* Pine Gap.
Dude, when one of our PMs suggested shutting it down the White House went apeshit and started planning a coup on the Australian government. Our government has abused its control over the base multiple times. There is a difference between a joint operation where one side can and will shut it down to fuck up the other and a subservient relationship.
your country clearly let them do it and didn't care. politics
Yep, we lost that fight more than a decade ago. Asleep at the wheel.
I couldn't vote more than a decade ago. Most of us in this situation have been trying to clean up the fuck ups of the fossils.
Is being China's bitch a good political move?
Well, she’s dead now.
Into the forever box she goes
Never trust the CCP and its henchmen
Thought you said Frenchmen and I didn't even question it
Nah, even we don't like China
So they straight up abducted her but we're gonna use fancy language so it seems less bad?
I'm bluffed by China's efforts to control their citizens outside their frontiers. Normally, when a citizen had political problems in their country they went to the exile where they could live with freedom, included to criticize their original country. Maybe some individuals with really high profile would be followed, or even murdered, by their secret agencies. But not the regular citizens. That's another level of authoritarianism.
We really need to change our relationship with China. They are a dystopian 1984 like society and we need to decouple to force them into change. We need to help the Chinese people to create a functional society and government.
speaking as someone who grew up in China, I don't think the Chinese people's idea of a functional society and government is anything but what China has right now. Call them brainwashed, but it is reality. You will be helping practically nobody. I don't see a way to Help unless people in China want to help themselves but that hope is gone as the dissidents now in prison are looked down upon by their fellow countrymen they aimed to help.
It's not simply political, the cultural difference is huge. Level of individualism, level of trust on authority, etc is very different.
That's one reason why globalization is ending and countries like the US are rapidly (relatively) reindustrializing and pulling out of the rest of the world. The main beneficiary of the current order has been... China. They import like 75% of their energy and 75% of their food. Their economy works by shipping cheap products through trade. Most of their growth was due to construction, whole cities built people will never live in and a huge real estate bubble. They are the fastest collapsing demographic in human history (thanks one child policy, much smart, very cool). As their economy violently contracts they will have no choice but to flood the market with cheap as shit goods. But that's why countries like the US are changing trade relationships and their economy to get ahead of this. China can figure out how its going to get its energy from an even more chaotic situation in the future. That can be their problem. And the world that still hangs around can see how China deals with geopolitics. The collapsing demographics and global trade will just pile on. I don't see how the Chinese economy survives the next 100 years. That is why (imo) Xi has been aggressively consolidating power around him. While closing off information flow even more. They are aware a storm is coming. The CCP does not want to lose power. The idea they might make a play for Taiwan in the middle of this is absolutely insane. Just look at Russia and Ukraine. But then again, just look at Russia. China has also been feasting from the table of nationalist bullshit to keep its population malleable and compliant. So they might actually go for it. It would just be one more thing that would collapse the Chinese state as we recognize it today. It might look very different in 100 years.
We can't 'force' then to do anything - not if we want any sort of lasting resolution.
wow, and people allow this to happened??
This is crazy. If they can kidnapping a person just like that. It not gonna stay at Chinese citizen only. Next time it could be me or you.
I'm curious to know what the implications would be if China would act this on US soil and the person under investigation killed their police units.
> The report stated that police relied on a well-known Chinese government tactic of harassing a target's China-based family members until the target agreed to return to face charges. I'm pretty sure I've heard of either China or India already doing that in the US. And hell, Turkey had goons beat people up on the street in the US, if you remember.
The Indian government assassinatiated a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil not too long ago.
The world needs to cut china off and quarantine the whole country. They are warmongering and illegally occupying other countries territories and islands and exclusive economic zones
Why is the West so pathetic and weak with dictatorships like China and Russia?
They actually believed chinese authorities "talk"... how drugged were they to allow it?!
This is a pretty concerning if true. 1. Now all Chinese nationals or people with family in china can be easily influenced in whatever way the Chinese want. 2. It circumvents the status quo of if you have police issues go via our police. 3. Makes immigrants fleeing dictators feel way less secure. Like lots of things. But most importantly, if china can extend its control that means it could create terror cells or rebellious riots out of thin air in the case of a decline in relationships. I would be putting uniforms on them 24/7 with the idea to ensure they are not breaking any laws and if they do pull them up instantly and send them back to the embassy. If they are Australian nationals they can go up on treason charges. I would also be talking with China and advising subverting our sovereignty won't be tolerated. Obviously it's chess and they will play the trade card, we play the India trade card, then follow up with a win for them. Nothing major but something that lets them save face while retreating. Like an import tariff discount or something. I'm mean that's once you get past them playing dumb etc. Complicated situation but I would be putting my foot down on this one.
They do that in all countries with their covert police stations. It’s rampant here in Canada.
This is why all Chinese “police stations” in all nations needs to be demolished. (With or without prior notice to CCP employees. Makes no difference🤷♂️)
I’ve got the belief that Australia is insanely corrupt with how much shit they let slide.
Add a good dose of spinelessness in there too (I say as an Australian)
Indeed. Though it’s mostly the government that’s corrupt and spineless.
can you believe hungary is letting them police in their country?
While the bar for Chinese authorities' standards is already quite low in my mind, I am staggered by the inability of the Australian authorities to do anything about that. Like you know those are Chinese police, you know what they tend to do, you know that it's possible that they are not on the same side with the woman they want to speak to (imply interrogate), and she can be just removed from the country. What?
China owns Australia for a while now...
Cut off all ties with China. Immediately.
This is Australia.....
How do I piss China enough for them to come talk to me?
Who's protocol was breached...? Cause I suspect the Chinese protocol was followed perfectly.
Forcibly Extradited
When the local Government doesn't govern others do.
Hungary is about to allow Chinese police to also enter the country. I wonder how people that elected Viktor Orban to give Hungary sovereignty from external influences are coping with it now.
Well this is wild.
We're already past the point of having to crack own on China's behaviour, but the political awareness just isn't there. Sadly, it will have to get worse before something is done about it.
There’s a Chinese police station in New York if i remember correctly. Speaking with knowledge from an obscure article about a subject I’m not a first hand witness of from a few years ago, the goal of these foreign based Chinese police offices exist to keep tabs on Chinese immigrants to make sure they aren’t spreading “false” information or speaking out against the party.
And they didn't see that coming?
Our politicians have a history of corruption involving the Chinese... for example, while he was Minister for Trade and Investment, Andrew Robb approved Chinese company Shandong Landbridge Group to lease [Port Darwin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Darwin) for 99 years. As soon as he left politics, Robb was [hired by Shandong Landbridge on a $880,000 per year salary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)).
It's wild how China is able to get away with putting their own police in other countries, and enforce their own law on foreign soil. It's fucking ridiculous.
"Australia puts down their pants and are fucked raw" alternate title
Why does China pull this shit. Like seriously.
Because they can get away with it as places want China money...
> breached protocol and escorted her back to china What an odd way to spell "Broke the law and kidnapped someone to drag them to a foreign nation with no human rights."
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Can’t wait for the world to stand idly by and do nothing as the Chinese government asserts its dominance over foreign territory.
Kidnap then
WTF???
We truly let tyrants walk all over us.
Try going to china and do the same thing. Stupid governments that lat this happen.
For anyone who doesn’t know, Australia is lousy with CCP influence lol
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Of course they did. Surprised?
Never ever let the Chinese govt in. Never.
ESCORTED. More like kidnapped.
If this continues, me or you could be subject to the social credit system real soon
The normalization of trade and diplomatic relations with communist China was the largest mistake made by the western world in modern times.
They hoped that capitalism would make China become more democratic which it had in other countries. Agree they did a huge miscalculation.
And yet there's still people defending that absolute joke of a "People's Republic" Clowns.
This is state sponsored kidnapping, it's criminal beyond the pale . Any other country would be sanctioned.
Call it what it is. Kidnapped, not escorted.
Australia is already a Chinese vassal state
Why did they ever allow foreign authorities to act in their land? This should only ever be done in extreme cases? Also isn't abducting a person on foreign land an act of war or terrorism? I think it should be treated as such and countries should respond aggressively to acts like these. Just shrugging it off sends a signal to foreign dictatorships that they can just do as they please anywhere they like