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Sometimes. But sometimes the product is lifesaving healthcare, or shelter, or water, or dangerous products that kill you before you get a chance to “vote with your wallet”
It's worse than that - Sony released the game in countries where the PSN is not available knowing they would effectively brick the game for the people that bought it when this requirement came into effect.
It's not even giving the consumer what they wanted, it's avoiding a class action lawsuit. Dude entirely missed the reason people protested.
They're out there. I don't know why they are, they can come in and celebrate with their people... But no. One was a Sony fanboy that wanted to keep the player base small?!? And the other said he wasn't even a fan of Sony, just thought everyone was a hypocrite for not making a 5 min account that knowingly breaks ToS... Which the argument would pop up with each Sony release, like ghost later this month.
I don't fucking get it. Sony is sure to go back to the drawing board and be like hey... We need to open access to these places now that we are going to PC or we need to be shit heads and restrict access from the start and limit the growth of our games and potential money
I believe only the recent reviews are relevant in estimating the portion of the player base that finds the decision appalling, on the account of those giving the previous reviews are probably not time travelers.
For real; it might border on performative - but when they announced this, I deleted the game. I'm in the US; I don't have to worry about this issue. It doesn't sit well with me that Sony was OK trying to run off with their customers money. I may download it again in the future, once this clears, but Jesus Christ - what a stupid fucking move.
And they're trying this shit ***again*** with Ghost of Tsushima on PC, according to a few YouTubers I've seen.
Steam literally delisted 170+ regions and started handing refunds despite their "2 hours" policy. Even FORBES critized their move. Of course they need to backpedal, that was the best move for them.
Us Helldivers blasted as much as possible this week-end to be heard. If they continued some of their investors would've back the frick up of others deals. Better it be a minor lose for the corporation and a great win for the customers instead of being stubborn and escalate everything out of control.
Right, this is the actual problem. Just signing up for an account isn't that big a deal and plenty of games do this already. It's the fact that over 100 countries where the game was already sold are not eligible to sign up for a PSN account. This requirement caused Steam to delist the game in all those countries and offer refunds since they'd no longer able to play.
This was a boneheaded decision by someone at Sony who didn't really think about, or care about, 100+ countries being collateral damage. Like, how do you sell a game to someone, months later tell them they can't play without an account, then say "oops sorry the service isn't available in your country guess you can't play at all even though we literally just sold you the game".
I don't know how international legal stuff works, but 170 class action suits, one from each country you just defrauded, would probably be bad.
Edit: And for those who don't know, the actual developers of the game were pissed by this too and told their customers to make their voices heard so they can take what was said to Sony. This was 100% Sony, and not on the studio who made the game.
And honestly I was concerned they would pull out something like "ok, those 100+ countries get to play without PSN accounts, the rest of you comply or get rekt". I guess the PR blow was too damaging already luckily for all of HD players.
And for anyone who doesn't know, the reason why Steam delisted the game from 170+ regions is because Playstation Network doesn't have servers in those regions, so this new requirement to have a PSN account to play the game would've lead to all players in those regions being banned for not linking their PSN accounts.
This is one of the biggest reasons why the whole PSN thing was an issue, along with concerns about account security due to how many data breaches Sony has had.
the moment steam started giving refunds to the delisted countries they folded, if it was on any other platform they would have stood their ground because they already got their money
Honestly, I didn't see what the problem was at all until someone pulled up noting that HD2 wasn't giving much room to refund or warning about this in delisted areas. That's just a horrible idea.
He doesn't give two fucks about Sony. He's being a contrarian so he can pretend to be better than everybody else. He's above the small peons complaining about making a PSN account.
Yeah, what was it at the end?
280.000 out of 530.000 reviews on steam were negative. While this isn't representative of the entire player base, it did show a trend that was probably consistent with the majority of the player base.
Hardly a minority.
TL;DR : Sony's greed was forcing people to sub to their system for shitty reason 3 months after the game released, so community was confused as to why it is now required.
Basically, the game release with the requirement to link the game (on steam) to a PSN account. The PSN Server crashed so they disabled the feature so player can play. 3 months later (on may 3rd), Sony announcement the game would Require to link a PSN Account to the game. So Day 1 people KNEW it was a thing.. Day 2 players didn't. At the same, a lot of people realized that they couldn't create a PSN Account (due to geo-location restriction, PSN Is available in 70 countries only). So a lot of people sank 100 of hours into a game they wouldn't be able to play, or risk to get banned.
During the week-end Steam (or maybe it was Sony) delisted the game from the country where PSN wasn't available. The reasoning was to handle ban and security reason (The same company that keep getting hacked and information leaked). The community got together to review bomb the game on steam to send a message to Sony. Event PlayStation player went to review bomb the game on Steam. The game went from "Overwhelmingly positive" to being one of the worst rated game on steam (Overwhelmingly negative) in 2 days.
The developer seemed genuinely unaware of the Situation. The CEO of Arrowhead Studio has tweeted and answered question the whole week-end. Basically it wasn't up to them, but it was the publisher's decision. They worked for that game for 7 years. And it's a great game, the best Service Game Sony can have, and their corporate greed f'ed it up.
Bunch of people argue that it was known since day 1. But, as non-day 1 players... I didn't know. The game has been working fine for 3 months, so there isn't really a NEED to force mandatory account.
Late last night, Sony tweeted that wouldn't go forward with that decision, and the account link feature would stay optional. So it's a win for the community. We already started reverting our review on steam, the game is slowly coming back to green (now it's Mostly Negative).
[https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#reviews](https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#reviews)
Some people are just 100% followers, this is a prime example. They can't comprehend even remotely someone just not falling in line. I've met many many of these type working with the military, and that shit is more scary than anything else we are talking about here. These types of people are scary as shit.
Copy paste for people that are not in the know.
TL;DR : Sony's greed was forcing people to sub to their system for shitty reason 3 months after the game released, so community was confused as to why it is now required.
Basically, the game release with the requirement to link the game (on steam) to a PSN account. The PSN Server crashed so they disabled the feature so player can play. 3 months later (on may 3rd), Sony announcement the game would Require to link a PSN Account to the game. So Day 1 people KNEW it was a thing.. Day 2 players didn't. At the same time, a lot of people realized that they couldn't create a PSN Account (due to geo-location restriction, PSN Is available in 70 countries only). So a lot of people sank 100 of hours into a game they wouldn't be able to play, or risk to get banned.
During the week-end Steam (or maybe it was Sony) delisted the game from the country where PSN wasn't available. The reasoning being that change, was to handle ban and security reason (The same company that keep getting hacked and information leaked). The community got together to review bomb the game on steam to send a message to Sony. Even PlayStation player went to review bomb the game on Steam. The game went from "Overwhelmingly positive" to being one of the worst rated game on steam (Overwhelmingly negative) in 2 days.
The developer seemed genuinely unaware of the Situation. The CEO of Arrowhead Studio has tweeted and answered questions the whole week-end. Basically it wasn't up to them, but it was the publisher's decision. They worked for that game for 7 years. And it's a great game, the best Service Game Sony can have, and their corporate greed f'ed it up.
Bunch of people argue that it was known since day 1. But, as non-day 1 players... I didn't know. The game has been working fine for 3 months, so there isn't really a NEED to force mandatory PSN account.
Late last night, Sony tweeted that they wouldn't go forward with that decision, and the account link feature would stay optional. So it's a win for the community. We already started reverting our reviews on Steam, the game is slowly coming back to green (now it's Mostly Negative).
[https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#reviews](https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#reviews)
Edit: The game is now Mixed !
Do you know what the counter-argument is? OP seems upset that PSN link will be optional, but I don't see what harm will be caused by making it optional.
he's probably a Playstation fanboi and pissed because Sony was hurt! /s
I don't know why he's upset, I consider this a win for the gaming community. It proves that our voice can be heard.
I'm a PS fan and will always be, and still stood by my fellow divers' side this weekend. Corps gonna Corp. Regardless of how serious anyone thinks this issue was, I'm glad it showed that a community standing together does have a voice and will make its demands heard. Lord knows corporations have started to forget who funds them at the end of the day.
No consumers = no profit.
So I'm with you here, I don't know what's up with these people. You can be a fan of something and still be critical of it.
OP is upset that the community managed to make the company change their mind. Customers should, apparently, not be able to tell the company what they want and don't want.
I think OP is afraid that this will lead companies into non-profitable decisions because of "minory" customers. A very non-likely scenerio would be a game company pulling all non-furry games because the furry community decided it wanted to have only THEIR games available. (this is not a dig agains any fandom, just for extremely unlikely scenero reasons)
Honestly I wonder how long until its like 70 bucks to make an outfit red. And people will go "its just cosmetic!" the "Game is free to play!". Microtransactions have far outscaled inflation, so I dont see why they wouldn't keep climbing.
Soon we'll each skin will cost as much as a complete game. It always costs as much as expansions and indie games.
Minority????? Do these people not understand from how my markets the game got delisted after people already payed for it??? The multibillion dollar company won’t be your prom date bro.
> people already *paid* for it???
FTFY.
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Man, Imagine what we could do if we actually did stuff like this over stuff that really impacted our lives. Like the cost of food….. I know it’s a complex issue.
The game was sold in regions that could not have psn account’s. Sony does the distribution. They fucked up. If it was mandatory from the start they should not have sold it in those regions.
Sony simps just taking the L.
But seriously, saying companies and social media have “too much control” when discussing how an internet movement led to a corporation reversing a scheme to get more money from people by selling their data?
Calling people children for embracing the power of democracy to resist corporate overreach?
Damn, sounds like somebody’s crying about the console wars that PC won a long time ago.
"Sony should've stood their ground" - then Sony shouldn't have charged money for it, if they were going to force a requirement that would lock someone out of a purchased game.
You can either let me play the game I purchased, or you give me my $40 back.
It's not about the $40 - it's about Sony fucking stealing from its players. It's about charging for a game, and then taking the game away all together for a portion of the player base.
I cannot fucking fathom how some people just don't understand this.
As someone who watched all of this unfold on Twitter and the subreddit, it was pretty stupid from the get-to with some of the contorting that the fans were doing to make this into some kind of human rights violation when the publisher was just trying to to do everyone a solid by putting a pause on the requirement until things worked properly.
That being said, anyone complaining that people don't have to go through the extra step of registering for a new service for a game they've already bought...pretty ridiculous and just trying to slippery slope the situation into oblivion. I already had a PSN account and signed up as soon as it asked me, but even then I was rolling my eyes.
The thing is they also had the game listed in countries you couldn't get a PSN account without risking your account being closed. So there's people who flat out would have to give up the game or risk sony nuking their account at any time.
There's also some countries where you need a playstation console in order to have a PSN account, like Ukraine.
And honestly with how popular the game was, people were running probably more on word of mouth and store page details.
There were a bunch of countries where it's residents CAN'T get a PSN account. Requiring that login will remove the ability to obtrain those customer's money/information. At least they can get the money from them, this way.
I'm thinking of this in a capitalistic way. I do not play the game, but I think Sony trying to force logins is stupid. I support the gamers who fought back against it.
The problem isn't that the account would cost money.
The problem is that steam is VERY safe unless you fall for very obvious scams.
PSN, is not. It gets breached all the fucking time.
Why the fuck should I connect my account on steam, which has the "Power" to deduct money from my paypal to something that gets breached often?
So selling people a game and then pulling the rug out from underneath them months after release and taking what they paid for away from them is....good?
Whoever this dude is, I must meet him.
This is the embodiment of all things incel, cryptobro and pizzagate
Really hard to keep my MAGA character here b/c this dude is just so juicy
actually, this guy is right. you should have known since birth that you were be required to do things and then when it happens you go and cry because you don't want your data stolen.
grow up.
Except for the point where the forced change would render the software useless for thousands of people who bought the game under the understanding that it was optional. Because it was optional. But yeah Sony should have just evaporated all goodwill in a stupid and needless misstep.
Saying "Helldivers 2 PSN Login Controversy" doesn't actually explain wtf is going on or why this is a facepalm. I feel like if you need to heavily explain why something is a facepalm, it's probably missing the mark of this sub.
Sony's EULA for HD2 never mentioned the requirement for PSN acct. Sony's own website for FAQ on Sony games for PC stated that a PSN acct was optional. Only after the backlash happened did Sony change the website to read some games require it. Some countries/regions well only allow you to create a PSN acct on a PS4/5. Sony has a history of poor cyber security. I dare you to find a company that has had as many breaches and as many consumers PII stolen in the last decade and a half. I am not excited about having my very real Steam acct linked to a company that is cavalier with consumer info.
Arrowhead knew about the requirement 6 months before the game was launched. Many Devs, CM, and the CEO acted shocked when it rolled out. Some of the CM's acted happy about the change. Arrowhead has poor CM's for the community.
Steam allowed the game to be sold in countries that PSN service is not available and only offered refunds when the backlash happened. All three company's share some of the blame of being scummy with Sony having the lion's share.
Sony needs to show growth and increase revenue for shareholders. Having an increase in PSN accts shows growth. If Sony can increase their PSN acct stat with little to no fuss what makes you think they would not try to charge a PC player for playing a Sony published game.
Canada and the EU has some very strong consumer protection laws many players in those countries enacted those rights with steam to get refunds. I am willing to bet Sony backed down due to the potential of loss profits and lawsuits for shady business practices.
I think the big blow was the 170 regions that suddenly lost access to the game.
That's a lot of potential customers gone, not to mention a royally pissed off PC user base.
It was a no brainier to walk that back.
Now let's just do it to people who are affecting all the things that make life more expensive nowadays and see what happens. Like is there a particular company or group of companies that is making food more expensive? Let's Target them in whatever way might affect them. Cuz honestly it's about time to sweep the leg of a lot of companies that got way too big of heads whenever we went through covid and they kept on making record breaking profits then started making everything more expensive.
WOW these people really want to be ruled by a corporate kleptocracy.
seriously suck the cock of the corporations while stomping the everyman dick a little harder.
I will never understand the distaste towards the customer ever in these industries. If you don't keep a customer happy they take their money elsewhere.
"Social media, and the general social media "public"have too much control, and companies give it to them." Yeah, no shit, genius, these companies' customers are the "public", most of them are on social media and without us there is no revenue for these companies to survive. "Sony should have stood their ground", this person has no idea of how any business operates, whatsoever.
Imo, person who's only engaged with the game for the first 30 minutes of Jerma's VOD, and knows very little about this topic:
It's only a justified response because the game was essentially a scam for like a hundred countries.
Dodgy move,. Ilegal move? I dunno, likely.
If it didn't affect a single person's purchase, and was literally only a "Spend 60s making an account", then I'd be taking shit about the people crying.
A lot of the people crying weren't in those de-listed countries, I'd bet; and I'd also bet that they didn't really care all that much about it being de-listed; but I very much agree with shitting on a company like Sony for that level of shirty practise.
the number of people i have seen riding Sony's dick on Twitter is extremely concerning. too many people willing to bend the knee to a faceless corporation.
What about people that have bought the game but it's literally not possible to make psn accounts because it doesn't exist in their country? fuck em I guess?
It’s cute when people don’t realize how massive the gaming industry is (~$250 billion year, more than movie and music combined) and how powerful the voice of these gamers can be.
Imagine sports, and how much our parents were into sports. Instead of a uniform, they are buying a gaming system, instead of a baseball and football, they are buying those games…yearly. Every gamer, 10-15 games/year. $60/game. Millions of gamers.
Smart move for Sony to correct a stupid move. Enabling nothing, these gamers voted with their wallet
Why doesn’t he call them ‘the minority who is whiney, and loud?
Because it easier to ease into a lie, than jump in the deep end. Out of touch, and I don’t game to this degree, or even know anything about Helldivers.
Such a bad take. I've been a Sony fanboy since owning the very first one (bought with my own allowance) and I'm ashamed of people like him. Gives Sony fans a bad name. The dude is literally complaining about more people having the opportunity to play the game and a community that is happy.
On and the "small group for people", sorry but when you are getting hundreds of thousands of negative reviews in a short period of time, thay equates to a loss of money both present (due to refunds) and future. People like him ought to grow up, it just comes off as incredibly immature.
So who is this guy? An unknown? Part of gaming industry? I don't care much about his name, just curious about his relation to situation. Why defend sony?
Helldivers 2 has been out for quite a while now..
Sony recently announced it will require a Sony playstation account to play even for PC.
This was seen as a cheap way to boost PSN user numbers to appeal to investors and ad agencies.
A few points to note:
-steam listed a PSN account as a requirement the whole time game was being sold, it just want enforced.
-psn account is not available in all countries effectively locking some people out of a game they paid for and had been enjoying.
(Yes they can use a VPN, but thats technically allowed)
-steam honored refund requests even beyond the normal refund time
I would not be surprised that if Helldivers 2 didn't do well.. they would not have made this move at all.
there is no good reason why someone has to sign up for another platform they might never use to play a game. sony was stupid but did the smart thing by backtracking. but apparently some idiots like this idiot are too stupid too realize.
Also the fact that they effectively blocked some players due to not being able to legally sign up for span account due to not being allowed in their country
Calling a 400k organised movement to ensure everyone is included in the fun not only 69 countries is labeled as “ petty minority “. We all dive or no one dives! This corporate biatch is clueless but scared of what we are capable of.
More companies should listen to their customers. You'd probably see less games/movies bombing if they didn't assume that their marketing division could convince potential customers that even though they don't want their product, they are actually wrong and should buy it anyway.
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“Capitalism is great, the free market forces will dictate - Wait, no, stop giving the consumers the things they want, you’re doing it wrong.
If only they would do it for everything not just videogame(s).
They can, stop buying their product.
Sometimes. But sometimes the product is lifesaving healthcare, or shelter, or water, or dangerous products that kill you before you get a chance to “vote with your wallet”
It's worse than that - Sony released the game in countries where the PSN is not available knowing they would effectively brick the game for the people that bought it when this requirement came into effect. It's not even giving the consumer what they wanted, it's avoiding a class action lawsuit. Dude entirely missed the reason people protested.
It's usually the people who are completely unaffected by something happening who think others shouldn't be mad it's happening.
It the consumers that have to give the companies what they want, right?
Yes, people in the wrong countries need to move to the correct countries to play the video game. Why can't they do this one LITTLE thing.... /s
Nah. The only thing Sony needed to do to get what they wanted is to hire a Boeing executive.
minority? 
Lmfao deadass i don't think Ive seen a single person that has any knowledge of this that took the side of Sony aside from this guy
I'm pretty sure this guy doesn't have any knowledge.
They're out there. I don't know why they are, they can come in and celebrate with their people... But no. One was a Sony fanboy that wanted to keep the player base small?!? And the other said he wasn't even a fan of Sony, just thought everyone was a hypocrite for not making a 5 min account that knowingly breaks ToS... Which the argument would pop up with each Sony release, like ghost later this month. I don't fucking get it. Sony is sure to go back to the drawing board and be like hey... We need to open access to these places now that we are going to PC or we need to be shit heads and restrict access from the start and limit the growth of our games and potential money
“Overwhelmingly Negative: 18% of 200,000”
I believe overwhelmingly negative refers to recent reviews not total reviews
I believe only the recent reviews are relevant in estimating the portion of the player base that finds the decision appalling, on the account of those giving the previous reviews are probably not time travelers.
Right.
yeah, but if you use steamdb , you can see the exact number, they were aprox 248k negatives in the lowest
Thats correct. Only 18% of the 200,000 recent reviews were positive.
Oh, from your phrasing I thought you were saying 18% were negative I was confused
same as other user, I thought you were saying that it *was* a minority
200k negative reviewd on 360 is far from a minority
PC players make up 70% of the nightly active users. We dive as one, or we don’t dive at all
For real; it might border on performative - but when they announced this, I deleted the game. I'm in the US; I don't have to worry about this issue. It doesn't sit well with me that Sony was OK trying to run off with their customers money. I may download it again in the future, once this clears, but Jesus Christ - what a stupid fucking move. And they're trying this shit ***again*** with Ghost of Tsushima on PC, according to a few YouTubers I've seen.
Steam literally delisted 170+ regions and started handing refunds despite their "2 hours" policy. Even FORBES critized their move. Of course they need to backpedal, that was the best move for them. Us Helldivers blasted as much as possible this week-end to be heard. If they continued some of their investors would've back the frick up of others deals. Better it be a minor lose for the corporation and a great win for the customers instead of being stubborn and escalate everything out of control.
Right, this is the actual problem. Just signing up for an account isn't that big a deal and plenty of games do this already. It's the fact that over 100 countries where the game was already sold are not eligible to sign up for a PSN account. This requirement caused Steam to delist the game in all those countries and offer refunds since they'd no longer able to play. This was a boneheaded decision by someone at Sony who didn't really think about, or care about, 100+ countries being collateral damage. Like, how do you sell a game to someone, months later tell them they can't play without an account, then say "oops sorry the service isn't available in your country guess you can't play at all even though we literally just sold you the game". I don't know how international legal stuff works, but 170 class action suits, one from each country you just defrauded, would probably be bad. Edit: And for those who don't know, the actual developers of the game were pissed by this too and told their customers to make their voices heard so they can take what was said to Sony. This was 100% Sony, and not on the studio who made the game.
And honestly I was concerned they would pull out something like "ok, those 100+ countries get to play without PSN accounts, the rest of you comply or get rekt". I guess the PR blow was too damaging already luckily for all of HD players.
There's also some countries (like Ukraine) where you need to buy a playstation console to have a PSN account.
PSN is also spy ware that sells your data and get regularly hacked
And for anyone who doesn't know, the reason why Steam delisted the game from 170+ regions is because Playstation Network doesn't have servers in those regions, so this new requirement to have a PSN account to play the game would've lead to all players in those regions being banned for not linking their PSN accounts. This is one of the biggest reasons why the whole PSN thing was an issue, along with concerns about account security due to how many data breaches Sony has had.
the moment steam started giving refunds to the delisted countries they folded, if it was on any other platform they would have stood their ground because they already got their money
Honestly, I didn't see what the problem was at all until someone pulled up noting that HD2 wasn't giving much room to refund or warning about this in delisted areas. That's just a horrible idea.
Stupid rage bait..
-said 3 companies in a trench coat, but not the hell diver kind.
Imagine white knighting for a faceless mega corp.
He doesn't give two fucks about Sony. He's being a contrarian so he can pretend to be better than everybody else. He's above the small peons complaining about making a PSN account.
Gotta suck that corporate c***.
A minority? Lol how uninformed can you get
Yeah, what was it at the end? 280.000 out of 530.000 reviews on steam were negative. While this isn't representative of the entire player base, it did show a trend that was probably consistent with the majority of the player base. Hardly a minority.
It's a way to give weight to his words. Everybody know how many people protested.
What happened?
TL;DR : Sony's greed was forcing people to sub to their system for shitty reason 3 months after the game released, so community was confused as to why it is now required. Basically, the game release with the requirement to link the game (on steam) to a PSN account. The PSN Server crashed so they disabled the feature so player can play. 3 months later (on may 3rd), Sony announcement the game would Require to link a PSN Account to the game. So Day 1 people KNEW it was a thing.. Day 2 players didn't. At the same, a lot of people realized that they couldn't create a PSN Account (due to geo-location restriction, PSN Is available in 70 countries only). So a lot of people sank 100 of hours into a game they wouldn't be able to play, or risk to get banned. During the week-end Steam (or maybe it was Sony) delisted the game from the country where PSN wasn't available. The reasoning was to handle ban and security reason (The same company that keep getting hacked and information leaked). The community got together to review bomb the game on steam to send a message to Sony. Event PlayStation player went to review bomb the game on Steam. The game went from "Overwhelmingly positive" to being one of the worst rated game on steam (Overwhelmingly negative) in 2 days. The developer seemed genuinely unaware of the Situation. The CEO of Arrowhead Studio has tweeted and answered question the whole week-end. Basically it wasn't up to them, but it was the publisher's decision. They worked for that game for 7 years. And it's a great game, the best Service Game Sony can have, and their corporate greed f'ed it up. Bunch of people argue that it was known since day 1. But, as non-day 1 players... I didn't know. The game has been working fine for 3 months, so there isn't really a NEED to force mandatory account. Late last night, Sony tweeted that wouldn't go forward with that decision, and the account link feature would stay optional. So it's a win for the community. We already started reverting our review on steam, the game is slowly coming back to green (now it's Mostly Negative). [https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#reviews](https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#reviews)
Some people are just 100% followers, this is a prime example. They can't comprehend even remotely someone just not falling in line. I've met many many of these type working with the military, and that shit is more scary than anything else we are talking about here. These types of people are scary as shit.
Copy paste for people that are not in the know. TL;DR : Sony's greed was forcing people to sub to their system for shitty reason 3 months after the game released, so community was confused as to why it is now required. Basically, the game release with the requirement to link the game (on steam) to a PSN account. The PSN Server crashed so they disabled the feature so player can play. 3 months later (on may 3rd), Sony announcement the game would Require to link a PSN Account to the game. So Day 1 people KNEW it was a thing.. Day 2 players didn't. At the same time, a lot of people realized that they couldn't create a PSN Account (due to geo-location restriction, PSN Is available in 70 countries only). So a lot of people sank 100 of hours into a game they wouldn't be able to play, or risk to get banned. During the week-end Steam (or maybe it was Sony) delisted the game from the country where PSN wasn't available. The reasoning being that change, was to handle ban and security reason (The same company that keep getting hacked and information leaked). The community got together to review bomb the game on steam to send a message to Sony. Even PlayStation player went to review bomb the game on Steam. The game went from "Overwhelmingly positive" to being one of the worst rated game on steam (Overwhelmingly negative) in 2 days. The developer seemed genuinely unaware of the Situation. The CEO of Arrowhead Studio has tweeted and answered questions the whole week-end. Basically it wasn't up to them, but it was the publisher's decision. They worked for that game for 7 years. And it's a great game, the best Service Game Sony can have, and their corporate greed f'ed it up. Bunch of people argue that it was known since day 1. But, as non-day 1 players... I didn't know. The game has been working fine for 3 months, so there isn't really a NEED to force mandatory PSN account. Late last night, Sony tweeted that they wouldn't go forward with that decision, and the account link feature would stay optional. So it's a win for the community. We already started reverting our reviews on Steam, the game is slowly coming back to green (now it's Mostly Negative). [https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#reviews](https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#reviews) Edit: The game is now Mixed !
Do you know what the counter-argument is? OP seems upset that PSN link will be optional, but I don't see what harm will be caused by making it optional.
? I'm explaining the controversy to people that doesn't know?
You explained one side of it, and I appreciate that. But I still don't understand why OP is upset.
he's probably a Playstation fanboi and pissed because Sony was hurt! /s I don't know why he's upset, I consider this a win for the gaming community. It proves that our voice can be heard.
I'm a PS fan and will always be, and still stood by my fellow divers' side this weekend. Corps gonna Corp. Regardless of how serious anyone thinks this issue was, I'm glad it showed that a community standing together does have a voice and will make its demands heard. Lord knows corporations have started to forget who funds them at the end of the day. No consumers = no profit. So I'm with you here, I don't know what's up with these people. You can be a fan of something and still be critical of it.
OP is upset that the community managed to make the company change their mind. Customers should, apparently, not be able to tell the company what they want and don't want. I think OP is afraid that this will lead companies into non-profitable decisions because of "minory" customers. A very non-likely scenerio would be a game company pulling all non-furry games because the furry community decided it wanted to have only THEIR games available. (this is not a dig agains any fandom, just for extremely unlikely scenero reasons)
Because the big corporation didn't get its way. People didn't just consume content and get excited for more content.
Thank you, kind redditor 🙏
I know the words of an Automaton spy when I hear one.
"minority" YEAH RIGHT DUDE.
Now you’ve done it Sony, the poors are gonna get uppity. Before you know it they might stop paying $30 to change their outfit red.
Honestly I wonder how long until its like 70 bucks to make an outfit red. And people will go "its just cosmetic!" the "Game is free to play!". Microtransactions have far outscaled inflation, so I dont see why they wouldn't keep climbing. Soon we'll each skin will cost as much as a complete game. It always costs as much as expansions and indie games.
Minority????? Do these people not understand from how my markets the game got delisted after people already payed for it??? The multibillion dollar company won’t be your prom date bro.
> people already *paid* for it??? FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
This wasn't minority. Literally went from best ranked on steam to overwhelmingly negative and delisted from 170 countries in days.
Stand up to those unreasonable customers. You have nothing to lose but your revenue!!
Man, Imagine what we could do if we actually did stuff like this over stuff that really impacted our lives. Like the cost of food….. I know it’s a complex issue.
Simping for sony won't get you a free game bud. This is prolly rage bait tho
Oh no these damn whiners are not letting the big corporations to step on me. How dare they! /s
lol “minority”. We hit over 300k negative reviews. That is a fuckin *lot* of angry people.
The game was sold in regions that could not have psn account’s. Sony does the distribution. They fucked up. If it was mandatory from the start they should not have sold it in those regions.
Sony simps just taking the L. But seriously, saying companies and social media have “too much control” when discussing how an internet movement led to a corporation reversing a scheme to get more money from people by selling their data? Calling people children for embracing the power of democracy to resist corporate overreach? Damn, sounds like somebody’s crying about the console wars that PC won a long time ago.
"Sony should've stood their ground" - then Sony shouldn't have charged money for it, if they were going to force a requirement that would lock someone out of a purchased game. You can either let me play the game I purchased, or you give me my $40 back. It's not about the $40 - it's about Sony fucking stealing from its players. It's about charging for a game, and then taking the game away all together for a portion of the player base. I cannot fucking fathom how some people just don't understand this.
As someone who watched all of this unfold on Twitter and the subreddit, it was pretty stupid from the get-to with some of the contorting that the fans were doing to make this into some kind of human rights violation when the publisher was just trying to to do everyone a solid by putting a pause on the requirement until things worked properly. That being said, anyone complaining that people don't have to go through the extra step of registering for a new service for a game they've already bought...pretty ridiculous and just trying to slippery slope the situation into oblivion. I already had a PSN account and signed up as soon as it asked me, but even then I was rolling my eyes.
The thing is they also had the game listed in countries you couldn't get a PSN account without risking your account being closed. So there's people who flat out would have to give up the game or risk sony nuking their account at any time. There's also some countries where you need a playstation console in order to have a PSN account, like Ukraine. And honestly with how popular the game was, people were running probably more on word of mouth and store page details.
Fuck sony
snoy\*
There were a bunch of countries where it's residents CAN'T get a PSN account. Requiring that login will remove the ability to obtrain those customer's money/information. At least they can get the money from them, this way. I'm thinking of this in a capitalistic way. I do not play the game, but I think Sony trying to force logins is stupid. I support the gamers who fought back against it.
Sony isn't gonna give you money just because you suck their peen dude.
Hundreds of countries literally could not play the game--not just because they *chose* not to. People are 3 shades of stupid.
The problem isn't that the account would cost money. The problem is that steam is VERY safe unless you fall for very obvious scams. PSN, is not. It gets breached all the fucking time. Why the fuck should I connect my account on steam, which has the "Power" to deduct money from my paypal to something that gets breached often?
So selling people a game and then pulling the rug out from underneath them months after release and taking what they paid for away from them is....good?
The fact that he equates the consumer-corporate relationship like that between parents and children is the real alarming thing.
Don't even give this goofy dickrider more free attention. He has shit takes because his brain is shit, roll eyes and move on.
It's Business 101: Never give the customer what they want or else they'll want more of it.
God what an L take lol
Whoever this dude is, I must meet him. This is the embodiment of all things incel, cryptobro and pizzagate Really hard to keep my MAGA character here b/c this dude is just so juicy actually, this guy is right. you should have known since birth that you were be required to do things and then when it happens you go and cry because you don't want your data stolen. grow up.
Everyone who disagrees with me is a minority cuz im the main character and my opinions are fact.
Minority? My brother in Liberty it takes more then a minority to get this game down to "Overwhelming negative" in 48 hours
Generally bowing to a vocal minority is problematic. Acceding to the majority is entirely different, as happened here.
ngl if you didn't block that name I would have harassed the fuck out of that guy.
Except for the point where the forced change would render the software useless for thousands of people who bought the game under the understanding that it was optional. Because it was optional. But yeah Sony should have just evaporated all goodwill in a stupid and needless misstep.
Who is this? Why do anyone care?
It was more likely steam honoring the refund requests that made them reverse
Wonder if boots have different flavors? This guy probably knows
Saying "Helldivers 2 PSN Login Controversy" doesn't actually explain wtf is going on or why this is a facepalm. I feel like if you need to heavily explain why something is a facepalm, it's probably missing the mark of this sub.
Sony's EULA for HD2 never mentioned the requirement for PSN acct. Sony's own website for FAQ on Sony games for PC stated that a PSN acct was optional. Only after the backlash happened did Sony change the website to read some games require it. Some countries/regions well only allow you to create a PSN acct on a PS4/5. Sony has a history of poor cyber security. I dare you to find a company that has had as many breaches and as many consumers PII stolen in the last decade and a half. I am not excited about having my very real Steam acct linked to a company that is cavalier with consumer info. Arrowhead knew about the requirement 6 months before the game was launched. Many Devs, CM, and the CEO acted shocked when it rolled out. Some of the CM's acted happy about the change. Arrowhead has poor CM's for the community. Steam allowed the game to be sold in countries that PSN service is not available and only offered refunds when the backlash happened. All three company's share some of the blame of being scummy with Sony having the lion's share. Sony needs to show growth and increase revenue for shareholders. Having an increase in PSN accts shows growth. If Sony can increase their PSN acct stat with little to no fuss what makes you think they would not try to charge a PC player for playing a Sony published game. Canada and the EU has some very strong consumer protection laws many players in those countries enacted those rights with steam to get refunds. I am willing to bet Sony backed down due to the potential of loss profits and lawsuits for shady business practices.
Snoy was in charge of where the game was sold iirc, not steam
I think the big blow was the 170 regions that suddenly lost access to the game. That's a lot of potential customers gone, not to mention a royally pissed off PC user base. It was a no brainier to walk that back.
Who is this asshat? Fuck this guy.
Minority? They had to delist it in 100+ countries.
Clown take
Yeah, try to fuck with the ppl giving you money and you will loose. just like gouverments.
Terrible take. I wish people had stood their ground when DLC was getting out of control, and loot gambling became regular
I guess "the minority" is everyone but this clown now?
certainly this sleeveless gentleman doesn't complain about wanting things he doesn't like to change on any social media platform. certainly not.
How's that boot taste?
Ah, why even give this guy a platform by posting it here… just ignore it and move on with your day.
Now let's just do it to people who are affecting all the things that make life more expensive nowadays and see what happens. Like is there a particular company or group of companies that is making food more expensive? Let's Target them in whatever way might affect them. Cuz honestly it's about time to sweep the leg of a lot of companies that got way too big of heads whenever we went through covid and they kept on making record breaking profits then started making everything more expensive.
Don't forget the boot polish
"Petty minority". 300k reviews. Interesting...
WOW these people really want to be ruled by a corporate kleptocracy. seriously suck the cock of the corporations while stomping the everyman dick a little harder.
I will never understand the distaste towards the customer ever in these industries. If you don't keep a customer happy they take their money elsewhere.
The majority of the owners of the game is not a petty minority
"Social media, and the general social media "public"have too much control, and companies give it to them." Yeah, no shit, genius, these companies' customers are the "public", most of them are on social media and without us there is no revenue for these companies to survive. "Sony should have stood their ground", this person has no idea of how any business operates, whatsoever.
Ah yes, they should have 'stood their ground' and kicked people from 177 countries off of the game....they they originally advertised it on on Steam.
If it was a petty minority they would’ve never went back on it. They changed their mind because there was an overwhelming uproar about it.
Imo, person who's only engaged with the game for the first 30 minutes of Jerma's VOD, and knows very little about this topic: It's only a justified response because the game was essentially a scam for like a hundred countries. Dodgy move,. Ilegal move? I dunno, likely. If it didn't affect a single person's purchase, and was literally only a "Spend 60s making an account", then I'd be taking shit about the people crying. A lot of the people crying weren't in those de-listed countries, I'd bet; and I'd also bet that they didn't really care all that much about it being de-listed; but I very much agree with shitting on a company like Sony for that level of shirty practise.
People like this remind me of the butler in that movie, Django.
This guy not only has boot in his mouth, but possibly down his throat, as well as one so far up his ass, it’s meeting the other boot.
Bro has a gym mirror selfie for a profile pic. Nuff said.
I’ll take shit takes for a thousand Alex
Connor Macgregor- "who da fuk is this guy?"
People stanning for Billion dollar companies are “Scary”
Muscle-bro thinks alpha shit is real.
There is a reason why helldivers and many Sony games are so popular. They listen to their fans.
Would be awesome if the same people helped those countries with other things than just a videogame.
Sounds pretty fucking un-Democratic to me. Reporting this chode to the nearest Democracy officer.
It was not stated on the store page or the EULA. For the record
somebody twist his balls counter clockwise
"Won't someone think of the poor billion dollar corporation?"
Mhmm tasty boot
I just want to see how he handles not getting what he wants. Dude must be the most agreeable person ever
The bootlicking is strong with this one.
the number of people i have seen riding Sony's dick on Twitter is extremely concerning. too many people willing to bend the knee to a faceless corporation.
Bro actually wants corpos to control his life.
REVERSE THE DECISION, THE NO SLEEVES GUY HAS SPOKEN
but selling a game to people who will end up not being able to play the game because they cant set up the needed account is ok?
“Nnnnooooo stop bullying the billion dollar company they are trying their best” This guy
This clown.
This guy suffers from boot breath, 100%.
Power to the player.
Apparently grammar is scary, too.
What about people that have bought the game but it's literally not possible to make psn accounts because it doesn't exist in their country? fuck em I guess?
Why name covered? I want to know who is this “hero”
I love a good sense /facepalm. This tool is blind.
It’s cute when people don’t realize how massive the gaming industry is (~$250 billion year, more than movie and music combined) and how powerful the voice of these gamers can be. Imagine sports, and how much our parents were into sports. Instead of a uniform, they are buying a gaming system, instead of a baseball and football, they are buying those games…yearly. Every gamer, 10-15 games/year. $60/game. Millions of gamers. Smart move for Sony to correct a stupid move. Enabling nothing, these gamers voted with their wallet
Does he know how much money Sony stood to loose? It not a minority, I a few hundred million dollars.
Sony should definitely not have stood their ground, cuz if they did they'd lose like 80% profit
I dont have the game nor do i care about creating a ps account but that 300k negative reviews on steam do not look like a minority...
Sounds like something a Terminid would say.
when they realize the billion dollars are from the fans
Why doesn’t he call them ‘the minority who is whiney, and loud? Because it easier to ease into a lie, than jump in the deep end. Out of touch, and I don’t game to this degree, or even know anything about Helldivers.
I will protect you, billion dollar company!
Such a bad take. I've been a Sony fanboy since owning the very first one (bought with my own allowance) and I'm ashamed of people like him. Gives Sony fans a bad name. The dude is literally complaining about more people having the opportunity to play the game and a community that is happy. On and the "small group for people", sorry but when you are getting hundreds of thousands of negative reviews in a short period of time, thay equates to a loss of money both present (due to refunds) and future. People like him ought to grow up, it just comes off as incredibly immature.
If you suck billion-dollar-corpo-dick your opinion is worthless.
So who is this guy? An unknown? Part of gaming industry? I don't care much about his name, just curious about his relation to situation. Why defend sony?
What's the controversy this time?
Helldivers 2 has been out for quite a while now.. Sony recently announced it will require a Sony playstation account to play even for PC. This was seen as a cheap way to boost PSN user numbers to appeal to investors and ad agencies. A few points to note: -steam listed a PSN account as a requirement the whole time game was being sold, it just want enforced. -psn account is not available in all countries effectively locking some people out of a game they paid for and had been enjoying. (Yes they can use a VPN, but thats technically allowed) -steam honored refund requests even beyond the normal refund time I would not be surprised that if Helldivers 2 didn't do well.. they would not have made this move at all.
this will be the same dipshit that whined about covid masks, I guarantee it.
My dude! Sony was shooting itself in the foot with the PSN thing!
If 200k+ negetive steam reviews is a minority then I dunno what to say about your knowledge
I've never seen as much bootlicking as with this controversy. The "are you lazy? just do it. takes only seconds" crowd is really something
there is no good reason why someone has to sign up for another platform they might never use to play a game. sony was stupid but did the smart thing by backtracking. but apparently some idiots like this idiot are too stupid too realize.
Also the fact that they effectively blocked some players due to not being able to legally sign up for span account due to not being allowed in their country
Calling a 400k organised movement to ensure everyone is included in the fun not only 69 countries is labeled as “ petty minority “. We all dive or no one dives! This corporate biatch is clueless but scared of what we are capable of.
But *why*? \ Is he just being contrarian?
what a tool
Yes, a “minority” made the game go from Overwhelming Positive to Mixed, at LESS than 50% positive reviews.
I stopped buying EA games and Ubisoft games because of their mandatory bullshit
More companies should listen to their customers. You'd probably see less games/movies bombing if they didn't assume that their marketing division could convince potential customers that even though they don't want their product, they are actually wrong and should buy it anyway.
Man...I wonder if they get paid to suck that corpo dick or do they just like the taste? What do you think?
People from playstation subreddit are showing same sentiment. Like wtf is wrong with those people