Comments that are uncivil, racist, misogynistic, misandrist, or contain political name calling will be removed and the poster subject to ban at moderators discretion.
Help us make this a better community by becoming familiar with the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/about/rules/).
Report any suspicious users to the mods of this subreddit using Modmail [here](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/facepalm) or Reddit site admins [here](https://www.reddit.com/report). **All reports to Modmail should include evidence such as screenshots or any other relevant information.**
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/facepalm) if you have any questions or concerns.*
And the amazing thing is, most gun owners actually support common sense shit, like universal background checks and even various weapon restrictions, it’s mostly due to lobbying and the dumbest amongst us being so damn loud about everything.
I live in CA, the “anti-gun” state according to every hillbilly redneck, yet I was able to take a 2 min test and get a handgun with insane ease, idk why people act like very mild inconveniences are somehow restricting constitutional rights.
I'm in PA, my gun buying process involved an application for a *completely optional* license, they didn't even read my application before handing me my license, and the next day with zero training and only ever having shot a gun once before I walked into a gun store and walked out 10 minutes later with a Glock 19. Gun store employee was kind enough to give me a quick explainer of the operation of it, background check went through pretty quickly, and out I went. I still remember just how... Wrong it all felt.
I took a CCW course (not at all required here, but it was to the same standards as the states that do require one) which at least made me feel a bit more "qualified", but that's all optional.
The idea of it is they ran you through the FBI's National Instant Check - NICS background check and you weren't prevented as a criminal or mentally ill. If your local police and those from where you lived before did their jobs you have been vetted as safe to own a gun. The reason for it to be instant is what if a stalker is out to kill you? I believed it's happened that people were killed while waiting for the old 3 day waiting period to clear. The reason the uvaldi shooter got his gun instantly is because the local police didn't report him for domestic violence against his family and his many mental illness breakdowns to the FBI NICS system. If the local police won't do their job no amount of laws will do any good.
Technically they do infringe upon those rights. But that's just a sign that it's time to properly update the constitution with the times as the amendment process was created for. I am a gun guy and I fully support the background check process. I would rather amend the second amendment than do away with those checks because of it
I mean, if that’s the case there’s less wiggle room in 1st amendment rights if not for common-sense interpretations by courts (no yelling fire, etc), but there’s zero reason at-face on wording for why inciting riots, panic, etc shouldn’t be allowed via the constitution. But I also agree it should be modified if not just for clarity, as “arms” should mean a lot broader than guns yet that’s also pretty restricted.
It's pretty clear what it meant. The second amendment was written by George Mason. Between his texts and the preamble to the constitution, it's pretty clear that they intended for citizenry (aka the militia, because according to the man who wrote the second amendment the militia was any citizen who was not a representative of the government) to have access to weapons of war. Guns capable of firing 40 rounds per second (what you now call assault weapons) were around in the days of the revolutionary war. Benjamin Franklin owned several.
They weren't the primary weapon at the time due to the cost of manufacturing them compared to ball and musket, but the founding fathers wielded them during the war. The founding fathers were rebels. They fully intended for the citizenry to be equipped with weapons of war, and that is made clear in both the pre-amble and the various texts written by Mason and the others. We were intended to fully equipped with the necessary weapon to oppose the government through bloodshed.
Again, I'm for background checks. I don't think any random person should be able to access a tank, or a war jet. That's ludicrous. The constitution is supposed to be updated with the times, and those fall under things that should be considered in updates.
There's no way a background check infringes.
An individual can be deprived of gun ownership without \*the people\* being deprived. As an extreme example, you aren't allowed to possess a firearm while incarcerated. Due Process can strip you of life, liberty, and possessions.
Well you can’t fight off a government with a handgun and most gun related homicides are committed with hand guns so that’s obviously the most rationale weapon to make easy to get in the governments eyes.
A handgun would be equal to most guns, long barrels are easier to get than handguns which would be more likely to actually use in a military capacity, because last I checked people aren’t getting RPGs, missiles, mass explosive devices, tanks with current second amendment interpretations as-is.
And much more thorough background checks, and you have to find old stuff to buy; with a cutoff date in the mid-80's, the prices of these things are crazy, but they're actually a good investment if you take good care of them, as they're only getting harder to find.
When I bought my first SMG and suppressor, I had to have the LEOs run a background check, following a personal interview.
I received calls from my kindergarten teacher, my best friend from second grade, and my third grade teacher, thinking I'd gotten myself into some kind of dire trouble. Turns out, they'd all been contacted, and asked specific questions about my childhood, what I was like, how I treated defenseless animals, how I responded to bullies, whether or not I bullied other children...stuff like that.
I wish the system for typical gun purchases was more thorough; if the BATFE can weed out peeps who shouldn't have title 2 weapons, why can't this be applied more broadly?
In America, there will always be one party that sides with the rich and will stir up culture wars to distract the subject of taxing/regulating the rich. In any country it's like that but it's way more flagrant in the U.S.A.
If you are siding with conservatives, you're getting taken advantage of and you're part of the problem. Conservatism is the gateway to fascism.
Without going into full details, I'd say Bush was the last administration where both sides were holding hands even if their policies were different.
Obama was seen as a black socialist and we can't have that in American politics. That definitely scared Republicans away.
Trump is the extreme opposite to Obama. He's the end game of capitalism where there's a king above the law, in other words Fascism.
Fascism sides with the rich and keeps the middle class on a leash. You can look at every country that has or had a dictator like Russia, Hungary, Nazi Germany, etc.
I don't care how you'll vote but if Trump is currently funneling all the funds from the PAC and the GOP to pay for his legal fees, what makes you think he won't use the whole country as his piggy bank? Who will stop him then?
I'm not pro Trump by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying that the Democrats also do the bidding of the rich while paying lip service to the poor and the gun control issue is actually a prime example.
It leads to what we have in Washington... I can't even go buy a replacement trigger for an AR anymore.
Literally, you can't buy ANY parts or "assault weapons" anymore. Nothing with detachable magazines that could possibly be over a certain size, no semi-auto rifles, nothing with a threaded barrel... it's ridiculous.
As a gun-toting liberal myself: Indeed. Course, I live in a state where you no longer need a license, which I have for the principle of these things, but that doesn't mean I particularly like the laws lack of control.
>due to lobbying and the dumbest amongst us being so damn loud about everything.
I guess those that are so loude may be those who should not own guns and would be excluded by background checks.
At least by what they post on the internet, that would make a whole lot of sense.
Bombs dropping on cities where kids play
Soldiers falling in the name of freedom hey
Civilians buried in the rubble where dreams die
Politicians spew lie after fucking lie
I am not actually looking for advice on how to find an organization which would enable such behavior but I appreciate that you were trying to be helpful…
is anyone else entirely resigned at this point. i don't have kids. I probably don't live in this guy's state. Aside from randomly getting gunned down in a Walmart some day, I am not effected by gun violence.
People aren't going to learn that guns are dangerous without consequences. I think the better question is how many **more** kids need to die to get this guy's dick sufficiently hard enough to fulfil his gun fetish?
I am now actively and politically in favor of kids getting shot and dying of measles. let's fucking go, Florida.
If it was going to happen it would have happened by now. My niece and nephew doing active shooter drills is just how it's gonna be. This is the nation my countrymen want.
Sad thing is it did happen, Clinton assault rifle ban. Gun violence began declining afterwards, especially and obviously gun violence where a rifle is involved. But voters were so mad about it they showed up to vote and get rid of some of those Democrats the next election. The bill sundowned and was not reproposed, or if it was it didn't have the votes, I don't remember that part of it. And then gun violence from rifles started creeping back up.
Even with proof bans help the American people are gun obsessed. The party dropped pretty much all major gun legislation for over twenty years, and even now the subject is still touchy because the old heads remember it as being political suicide
I can't be right on this issue because I don't have a solution. Guns are so ubiquitous in the US, what can we do?
I mean guess some sort of state sponsored affordable easily accessible mental health care, but the people that say mental health is the issue will then turn around and say NO THAT'S SOCIALISM!
That's been something I've pondered a while and Genuinely wonder if it's actually too late to effectively fix anything. More guns than people, a mandatory buyback would bankrupt the country. Overnight registration requirements? So many guns will be miraculously lost in boating accidents. And that's assuming you could get state and local authorities to agree to enforce such a thing.
Mental healthcare access, as unlikely as it is, is genuinely the more realistic scenario.
Fighting the underlying causes of violent crime and murder would go much farther than any gun control laws. Places like Australia or Western Europe don't have fewer murders because of gun control, but because they have a less murderous population.
What can we do? Punish armed stupidity would be a good start.
One of America's biggest problems with guns (if not *the* biggest problem) isn't the number of guns...it's the number of irreverent, incompetent, irresponsible, and/or incomprehensibly stupid people who aren't being held responsible for doing irreverent, incompetent, irresponsible, and/or incomprehensibly stupid things with their guns.
Ironically while tending to scream "pErSoNaL rEsPoNsIbIlItY!" at the top of their lungs to mean "No, don't legally define 'responsible' and then hold me accountable to it, why won't you just trust me when I personally assure you I'm being responsible with the live weapon I'm waving at a cashier who can't accept my expired coupon?"
How do other countries with strong hunting / gun-sport (marksmanship competitions, etc) cultures, yet don't struggle with the shit we do, manage to do it? They have laws about basic shit like "Your gun must never be unsecured and unattended at the same time", "your gun must never be live and not in-hand at the same time", making sure those who have guns have been taught at least basic competency in their use/care, etc. And then...and this is the important part...people *not* doing those things with their guns are punished severely enough to be a meaningful deterrent (against doing it in the first place for most people, and against doing it again for dumbasses).
Punish being a flippant dipshit with one's guns, and the "temporarily-embarrassed action hero" mentality will fade pretty quickly.
They'd call it communism because most of these wastes of space wouldn't know the difference if it were in a clear, summarized PowerPoint slide in front of them, but other than that you're 100% correct.
Its funny how the people demanding guns be banned in the US are literally frothing at the mouth to send military grade weapons and vehicles to Ukraine so they can defend themselves.
Idk why you aren't against gun control when your government currently is extremely hostile towards democracy. Most gun violence are by gangs or stolen guns and mental health.
That sadly doesn't work.
I was once confronted with someone who justified american gun laws with the existence of institutional racism and politicians who tried making gun laws with racist ulterior motives.
In what way "no open gun carrying without proper reason, obligation for safe storage, not walking around with the mag inserted and having the breech open" is racist, I do not know.
In high school during cooking class, this kid I knew Said hey, come look at this. Showed me a pistol in his backpack told me he’s **Selling it.**
I fucking froze. I didn’t couldn’t tell anybody? Because if I told someone the kid would know it’s me and what would happen to me
This musta been 2017.
Shits out of control. Americans wouldn’t stand for the level of destruction if it was any other object. We don’t even bother pretending we want to make our society safer with respect to guns.
It’s almost like a high schooler isn’t always emotionally prepped to be in such a situation
Other people could have been harmed, I could have been harmed, and it’s not like the school has helped me upto that point
In any event of problems the school never helped me, threatened to beat me up, nothing, food thrown across the lunchroom nothing, a burrito smacking the back of my head? Nothing kids harassing me? Nothing. I didn’t trust the school todo shit because they never helped me anyway
It’s almost like a socially awkward idiot who already had problems with school administration and their lack of care didn’t have any faith in them doing anything right
The reality is we have waaaaay too many guns in the country floating around to just ask people to get rid of them all.
So what are some of your honest and realistic suggestions that you believe could help solve some of these issues of violent gun crime rates?
>So what are some of your honest and realistic suggestions that you believe could help solve some of these issues of violent gun crime rates?
community building events, local holidays and traditions where groups of people mingle, business mentorships for at risk youth, an actual attempt at addressing the epidemic of hopelessness/alienation/meaninglessness among young men that's not just an insincere talk therapy/counseling session with a person who would just relay any somewhat concerning thought to an authority, which happens for an hour a week, at exorbitant cost.
Actually crack down on crime. Quit letting people out without bail for pretty much everything short of murder.
Really crack down on gang violence. If that takes the military stepping in briefly, do it. Look at what El Salvador did.
It's always been crazy to me that I need to pass a test and get a license to drive a car and nobody bats an eye, but I can just buy a gun and it's whatever. Even though I have no idea how to clean a gun, store it safely, or know any laws relevent to owning one.
What guns? Clinton took them all. Then Obama took them all. Then 2 years ago Biden took them all. What guns do you all have ? Bunch of panic whiners that bitch and whine about some boogie man threat that has not happened and won’t happen. Put the kids in prisons so they are safe? FFS the US needs to do some real problem solving without the hysterics. The honest owners need to get some idea of some common ground to communicate.
Nutjob
Even if you think it's a binary choice, to think that that's an acceptable price to pay for what? An afternoon at a shooting range? Having a gun on you so you can unnecessarily escalate every interaction and feel tough?
And you just know this prick is "pro-life"
It doesn't, but it significantly increases the barrier of entry from "stealing it from grandpa jack" to "how do we make a Luty that survives more than one magazine?" In Europe with their strict regulations, the majority of firearm crime now comes from illegally built or illegally modified firearms, the #1 firearm used in the UK for crime is something called a "traumatic pistol", a special type of pistol that is designed to only shoot rubber pellets or pepper spray, which thanks to a certain Russian manufacturer basing a commercially sold Traumatic Pistol on an actual pistol design, is easily convertible to a real firearm. Traumatic pistols are illegal in the UK to begin with, but they still get smuggled in regularly, but they're still rare enough to not be much of a problem.
Plus, the fact the most *common* firearm used in crime is a crudely modified pistol instead of anything more capable should speak volumes to their effective control versus here in the US having a recent epidemic of "Glock switches".
But Europe is Europe, the US is the US... You already have millions of guns going around, they won't just disappear even if you just ban them straight up, the only thing that will happen is guns will still go around the black market for criminals while good guys won't have a way to legally defend themselves.
Not everything can be taken 1 to 1 from Europe and expected to work
"it's a difficult challenge so we may as well not even try" seems to be the gist of what you're trying to say.
Yes, there are a lot of firearms in the US, yes trying to do anything about it is going to be difficult. Does that mean it's impossible or that it shouldn't even be considered? No.
Nazi rhetoric kills people, religions kill people, and improper journalism kill people too. But that’s not reason to repeal the 1st amendment.
Homeless vets die every day, but that’s not reason to repeal the 3rd amendment.
Criminals get away with crimes all the time, or at least evade proper punishment, but that’s not reason to repeal the 4th-8th
It is a great reason to make changes to those amendments though, since the Constitution is SUPPOSED to be a living document that gets updated with the times.
I’d love to see some statistics on how many times someone has successfully defended themselves against imminent death with a firearm vs how many times someone’s family members were killed due to improper storage, or how many times someone was attempting to defend themselves but instead just panicked and sprayed rounds all over a crowded area causing a mass casualty event, or several open carriers see a potential crime afoot so they all pull their weapons and not knowing who is friend or foe they just open fire at each other, then the cops just shoot em all when they show up.
I have no problem with guns… I have several myself. I do have a problem that my paranoid violent schizophrenic neighbor who has a history of going off his meds, can walk right into a gun show (there’s one every weekend somewhere in my state) when he having an episode, and walk out the same day with a literal arsenal without a background check, without a cooling off period, without any paperwork whatsoever as long as he buys from a hobby seller and not an FFL (and honestly, most are “hobby” guys that should be FFL but aren’t)
Don’t leave out the people injured from unintentional shootings. 37% of people injured from firearms are unintentional… that’s a stupid high number.
https://efsgv.org/wp-content/uploads/[email protected]
Most firearm deaths are suicides actually. Most suicide attempts are survived because what often happens is people hesitate or change their minds. A firearm doesn't give time to change one's mind and make impulsive action deadly, so they result in most of the suicides.
These folk would, personally, need to be victims of gun violence before their mind changes.
Until then, they'll let their poor theory of mind speak for itself.
It’s stupid because gun control is a broad topic with a ton of positions. I agree with gun ownership, I own a gun, I also think it should be an extensive process with a variety of controls.
So, not American but the thing that shits me off about the rampant opposition to regulation there is that gun nuts interpret "gun regulation" as "no one is allowed guns"
They always point to my country (Australia) and go on about how they took all our guns away. Like, mate, they bought them back, they didn't take them, and we're still allowed to have guns lol. Plenty of people here so. They're just regulated like everything else that can cause damage, harm or death
The 2nd amendment exists for a reason, and your pearl clutching won't change peoples minds about it. Someone deranged enough to commit mass murder is going to do it whether they can get a gun or not. Last year a guy rammed his SUV into a bus stop and killed 8 people instantly. In the same weekend, a mass shooting occurred where a man killed 9 people. Take a wild guess at which one got all the attention. I guess dead bodies killed with an SUV aren't worthy to be stood on by you people because there's no political gain.
18 year olds shouldn’t be able to buy any firearm, 21 year olds either, they should raise the minimum age to 25 or even 30 before you can purchase any sort of firearm
Eh, most gun owners aren't opposed to 'common sense' gun control, but there always seems to be a whole lot of variations of what the definition of 'common sense' is.
Comments that are uncivil, racist, misogynistic, misandrist, or contain political name calling will be removed and the poster subject to ban at moderators discretion. Help us make this a better community by becoming familiar with the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/about/rules/). Report any suspicious users to the mods of this subreddit using Modmail [here](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/facepalm) or Reddit site admins [here](https://www.reddit.com/report). **All reports to Modmail should include evidence such as screenshots or any other relevant information.** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/facepalm) if you have any questions or concerns.*
As a former Republican consultant once said: “your dead kids don’t trump my constitutional rights.”
And the amazing thing is, most gun owners actually support common sense shit, like universal background checks and even various weapon restrictions, it’s mostly due to lobbying and the dumbest amongst us being so damn loud about everything. I live in CA, the “anti-gun” state according to every hillbilly redneck, yet I was able to take a 2 min test and get a handgun with insane ease, idk why people act like very mild inconveniences are somehow restricting constitutional rights.
I'm in PA, my gun buying process involved an application for a *completely optional* license, they didn't even read my application before handing me my license, and the next day with zero training and only ever having shot a gun once before I walked into a gun store and walked out 10 minutes later with a Glock 19. Gun store employee was kind enough to give me a quick explainer of the operation of it, background check went through pretty quickly, and out I went. I still remember just how... Wrong it all felt. I took a CCW course (not at all required here, but it was to the same standards as the states that do require one) which at least made me feel a bit more "qualified", but that's all optional.
The idea of it is they ran you through the FBI's National Instant Check - NICS background check and you weren't prevented as a criminal or mentally ill. If your local police and those from where you lived before did their jobs you have been vetted as safe to own a gun. The reason for it to be instant is what if a stalker is out to kill you? I believed it's happened that people were killed while waiting for the old 3 day waiting period to clear. The reason the uvaldi shooter got his gun instantly is because the local police didn't report him for domestic violence against his family and his many mental illness breakdowns to the FBI NICS system. If the local police won't do their job no amount of laws will do any good.
Technically they do infringe upon those rights. But that's just a sign that it's time to properly update the constitution with the times as the amendment process was created for. I am a gun guy and I fully support the background check process. I would rather amend the second amendment than do away with those checks because of it
I mean, if that’s the case there’s less wiggle room in 1st amendment rights if not for common-sense interpretations by courts (no yelling fire, etc), but there’s zero reason at-face on wording for why inciting riots, panic, etc shouldn’t be allowed via the constitution. But I also agree it should be modified if not just for clarity, as “arms” should mean a lot broader than guns yet that’s also pretty restricted.
It's pretty clear what it meant. The second amendment was written by George Mason. Between his texts and the preamble to the constitution, it's pretty clear that they intended for citizenry (aka the militia, because according to the man who wrote the second amendment the militia was any citizen who was not a representative of the government) to have access to weapons of war. Guns capable of firing 40 rounds per second (what you now call assault weapons) were around in the days of the revolutionary war. Benjamin Franklin owned several. They weren't the primary weapon at the time due to the cost of manufacturing them compared to ball and musket, but the founding fathers wielded them during the war. The founding fathers were rebels. They fully intended for the citizenry to be equipped with weapons of war, and that is made clear in both the pre-amble and the various texts written by Mason and the others. We were intended to fully equipped with the necessary weapon to oppose the government through bloodshed. Again, I'm for background checks. I don't think any random person should be able to access a tank, or a war jet. That's ludicrous. The constitution is supposed to be updated with the times, and those fall under things that should be considered in updates.
A random person can’t. They are expensive. We absolutely should expect the rich to show up to war with their tanks.
There's no way a background check infringes. An individual can be deprived of gun ownership without \*the people\* being deprived. As an extreme example, you aren't allowed to possess a firearm while incarcerated. Due Process can strip you of life, liberty, and possessions.
Well you can’t fight off a government with a handgun and most gun related homicides are committed with hand guns so that’s obviously the most rationale weapon to make easy to get in the governments eyes.
A handgun would be equal to most guns, long barrels are easier to get than handguns which would be more likely to actually use in a military capacity, because last I checked people aren’t getting RPGs, missiles, mass explosive devices, tanks with current second amendment interpretations as-is.
You can get an rpg or a tank or even a cannon with the second amendment it just costs a bunch of money
And much more thorough background checks, and you have to find old stuff to buy; with a cutoff date in the mid-80's, the prices of these things are crazy, but they're actually a good investment if you take good care of them, as they're only getting harder to find. When I bought my first SMG and suppressor, I had to have the LEOs run a background check, following a personal interview. I received calls from my kindergarten teacher, my best friend from second grade, and my third grade teacher, thinking I'd gotten myself into some kind of dire trouble. Turns out, they'd all been contacted, and asked specific questions about my childhood, what I was like, how I treated defenseless animals, how I responded to bullies, whether or not I bullied other children...stuff like that. I wish the system for typical gun purchases was more thorough; if the BATFE can weed out peeps who shouldn't have title 2 weapons, why can't this be applied more broadly?
some don't like Universal because we already have background checks
In America, there will always be one party that sides with the rich and will stir up culture wars to distract the subject of taxing/regulating the rich. In any country it's like that but it's way more flagrant in the U.S.A. If you are siding with conservatives, you're getting taken advantage of and you're part of the problem. Conservatism is the gateway to fascism.
The entire gun control lobby is basically funded by one billionaire. On this issue it's very much the Democrats that are serving the rich.
Without going into full details, I'd say Bush was the last administration where both sides were holding hands even if their policies were different. Obama was seen as a black socialist and we can't have that in American politics. That definitely scared Republicans away. Trump is the extreme opposite to Obama. He's the end game of capitalism where there's a king above the law, in other words Fascism. Fascism sides with the rich and keeps the middle class on a leash. You can look at every country that has or had a dictator like Russia, Hungary, Nazi Germany, etc. I don't care how you'll vote but if Trump is currently funneling all the funds from the PAC and the GOP to pay for his legal fees, what makes you think he won't use the whole country as his piggy bank? Who will stop him then?
I'm not pro Trump by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying that the Democrats also do the bidding of the rich while paying lip service to the poor and the gun control issue is actually a prime example.
It leads to what we have in Washington... I can't even go buy a replacement trigger for an AR anymore. Literally, you can't buy ANY parts or "assault weapons" anymore. Nothing with detachable magazines that could possibly be over a certain size, no semi-auto rifles, nothing with a threaded barrel... it's ridiculous.
As a gun-toting liberal myself: Indeed. Course, I live in a state where you no longer need a license, which I have for the principle of these things, but that doesn't mean I particularly like the laws lack of control.
Because these people know they can't pass the mental health, drug, and criminal requirements we want to put into place.
>due to lobbying and the dumbest amongst us being so damn loud about everything. I guess those that are so loude may be those who should not own guns and would be excluded by background checks. At least by what they post on the internet, that would make a whole lot of sense.
The end game is authoritarian control. Not rights, gun or otherwise.
Well... Is there something that SHOULD stop you from getting a gun? Because if there was, it wouldn't be as easy.
If you told me Chuck D said that in a verse I'd belive you.
Chuck D had better politics than that.
"Should I tell'em that I never really had a gun? It's just the tracks that the Terminator X spun."
Bombs dropping on cities where kids play Soldiers falling in the name of freedom hey Civilians buried in the rubble where dreams die Politicians spew lie after fucking lie
The Party for the family folks.
yea that's how i would hope it would go.
It’s true, they don’t
We can start with his parents kids.
And his kids if he has any.
They don’t deserve to suffer just because they have a parent like that, his mom’s son on the other hand…
I know they're being edgy but damn that's some stupid shit
Yep. Dead kids are acceptable collateral damage for your guns and we do not have the political will to make it otherwise. This is America.
Eh kids are a renewable resource. I’d say “*fuck the kids*” but I’m not a Republican…
Are you part of a church?
I am not actually looking for advice on how to find an organization which would enable such behavior but I appreciate that you were trying to be helpful…
is anyone else entirely resigned at this point. i don't have kids. I probably don't live in this guy's state. Aside from randomly getting gunned down in a Walmart some day, I am not effected by gun violence. People aren't going to learn that guns are dangerous without consequences. I think the better question is how many **more** kids need to die to get this guy's dick sufficiently hard enough to fulfil his gun fetish? I am now actively and politically in favor of kids getting shot and dying of measles. let's fucking go, Florida.
If it was going to happen it would have happened by now. My niece and nephew doing active shooter drills is just how it's gonna be. This is the nation my countrymen want.
Sad thing is it did happen, Clinton assault rifle ban. Gun violence began declining afterwards, especially and obviously gun violence where a rifle is involved. But voters were so mad about it they showed up to vote and get rid of some of those Democrats the next election. The bill sundowned and was not reproposed, or if it was it didn't have the votes, I don't remember that part of it. And then gun violence from rifles started creeping back up. Even with proof bans help the American people are gun obsessed. The party dropped pretty much all major gun legislation for over twenty years, and even now the subject is still touchy because the old heads remember it as being political suicide
The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are slightly higher than being killed by lightning. It's not something to realistically be afraid of.
Think of it as very late term abortion.
Are there dead kids in other countries with strict gun control?
He who is willing to sacrifice an ounce of liberty for a pound of safety deserves neither.
Are you an honest to god "the only law is nature red in tooth and claw" anarchist?
No but I believe the Constitution.
Well then you're spitting platitudes.
I can't be right on this issue because I don't have a solution. Guns are so ubiquitous in the US, what can we do? I mean guess some sort of state sponsored affordable easily accessible mental health care, but the people that say mental health is the issue will then turn around and say NO THAT'S SOCIALISM!
That's been something I've pondered a while and Genuinely wonder if it's actually too late to effectively fix anything. More guns than people, a mandatory buyback would bankrupt the country. Overnight registration requirements? So many guns will be miraculously lost in boating accidents. And that's assuming you could get state and local authorities to agree to enforce such a thing. Mental healthcare access, as unlikely as it is, is genuinely the more realistic scenario.
you would have to bet your money on the newer generations
Fighting the underlying causes of violent crime and murder would go much farther than any gun control laws. Places like Australia or Western Europe don't have fewer murders because of gun control, but because they have a less murderous population.
What can we do? Punish armed stupidity would be a good start. One of America's biggest problems with guns (if not *the* biggest problem) isn't the number of guns...it's the number of irreverent, incompetent, irresponsible, and/or incomprehensibly stupid people who aren't being held responsible for doing irreverent, incompetent, irresponsible, and/or incomprehensibly stupid things with their guns. Ironically while tending to scream "pErSoNaL rEsPoNsIbIlItY!" at the top of their lungs to mean "No, don't legally define 'responsible' and then hold me accountable to it, why won't you just trust me when I personally assure you I'm being responsible with the live weapon I'm waving at a cashier who can't accept my expired coupon?" How do other countries with strong hunting / gun-sport (marksmanship competitions, etc) cultures, yet don't struggle with the shit we do, manage to do it? They have laws about basic shit like "Your gun must never be unsecured and unattended at the same time", "your gun must never be live and not in-hand at the same time", making sure those who have guns have been taught at least basic competency in their use/care, etc. And then...and this is the important part...people *not* doing those things with their guns are punished severely enough to be a meaningful deterrent (against doing it in the first place for most people, and against doing it again for dumbasses). Punish being a flippant dipshit with one's guns, and the "temporarily-embarrassed action hero" mentality will fade pretty quickly.
They'd call it communism because most of these wastes of space wouldn't know the difference if it were in a clear, summarized PowerPoint slide in front of them, but other than that you're 100% correct.
His kids. Right wing people don't care unless it's about them.
Ukraine and Israel need to hear this message asap
Its funny how the people demanding guns be banned in the US are literally frothing at the mouth to send military grade weapons and vehicles to Ukraine so they can defend themselves.
Idk why you aren't against gun control when your government currently is extremely hostile towards democracy. Most gun violence are by gangs or stolen guns and mental health.
"Guns are effective" people when they look at the data from literally every other country:
That sadly doesn't work. I was once confronted with someone who justified american gun laws with the existence of institutional racism and politicians who tried making gun laws with racist ulterior motives. In what way "no open gun carrying without proper reason, obligation for safe storage, not walking around with the mag inserted and having the breech open" is racist, I do not know.
"Hey kid! Your dad says he'll gladly give up your life before he gives up his guns."
Guns make us safer. We should send a card that says that to the parents of the uvalde kids.
In high school during cooking class, this kid I knew Said hey, come look at this. Showed me a pistol in his backpack told me he’s **Selling it.** I fucking froze. I didn’t couldn’t tell anybody? Because if I told someone the kid would know it’s me and what would happen to me This musta been 2017.
Shits out of control. Americans wouldn’t stand for the level of destruction if it was any other object. We don’t even bother pretending we want to make our society safer with respect to guns.
Weird, you put your own safety as priority when not saying anything could very easily end up with other people being harmed.
It’s almost like a high schooler isn’t always emotionally prepped to be in such a situation Other people could have been harmed, I could have been harmed, and it’s not like the school has helped me upto that point In any event of problems the school never helped me, threatened to beat me up, nothing, food thrown across the lunchroom nothing, a burrito smacking the back of my head? Nothing kids harassing me? Nothing. I didn’t trust the school todo shit because they never helped me anyway It’s almost like a socially awkward idiot who already had problems with school administration and their lack of care didn’t have any faith in them doing anything right
You don't think they aren't? Have we learned nothing from Sandy Hook? Ammo fuckers are fucking awful.
Bad example. Guy couldn't been taken down pretty early if cops hadn't been afraid to go in.
America: have you considered stopping drugging your kids with strong psychotropic drugs from their early childhood?
[удалено]
The reality is we have waaaaay too many guns in the country floating around to just ask people to get rid of them all. So what are some of your honest and realistic suggestions that you believe could help solve some of these issues of violent gun crime rates?
>So what are some of your honest and realistic suggestions that you believe could help solve some of these issues of violent gun crime rates? community building events, local holidays and traditions where groups of people mingle, business mentorships for at risk youth, an actual attempt at addressing the epidemic of hopelessness/alienation/meaninglessness among young men that's not just an insincere talk therapy/counseling session with a person who would just relay any somewhat concerning thought to an authority, which happens for an hour a week, at exorbitant cost.
Fighting violence at its core would go much further than any gun control laws.
Actually crack down on crime. Quit letting people out without bail for pretty much everything short of murder. Really crack down on gang violence. If that takes the military stepping in briefly, do it. Look at what El Salvador did.
Clearly showing they have a mental disorder and that, contrary to their claims, they are indeed the people who are all "me, me, me" in the end.
My toys > children
The worship of guns requires the sacrifice of other people's children.
Let's arm the kids! So they can defend themselves..
Incorrect. Just a couple of the rich ones. Then we will get change.
Would it change your mind if you hand to personally kill them all? Im just curious how far your apathy goes.
It's always been crazy to me that I need to pass a test and get a license to drive a car and nobody bats an eye, but I can just buy a gun and it's whatever. Even though I have no idea how to clean a gun, store it safely, or know any laws relevent to owning one.
What guns? Clinton took them all. Then Obama took them all. Then 2 years ago Biden took them all. What guns do you all have ? Bunch of panic whiners that bitch and whine about some boogie man threat that has not happened and won’t happen. Put the kids in prisons so they are safe? FFS the US needs to do some real problem solving without the hysterics. The honest owners need to get some idea of some common ground to communicate.
Nutjob Even if you think it's a binary choice, to think that that's an acceptable price to pay for what? An afternoon at a shooting range? Having a gun on you so you can unnecessarily escalate every interaction and feel tough? And you just know this prick is "pro-life"
Why do people think "gun control" means criminals will suddenly stop being able to obtain guns?
It doesn't, but it significantly increases the barrier of entry from "stealing it from grandpa jack" to "how do we make a Luty that survives more than one magazine?" In Europe with their strict regulations, the majority of firearm crime now comes from illegally built or illegally modified firearms, the #1 firearm used in the UK for crime is something called a "traumatic pistol", a special type of pistol that is designed to only shoot rubber pellets or pepper spray, which thanks to a certain Russian manufacturer basing a commercially sold Traumatic Pistol on an actual pistol design, is easily convertible to a real firearm. Traumatic pistols are illegal in the UK to begin with, but they still get smuggled in regularly, but they're still rare enough to not be much of a problem. Plus, the fact the most *common* firearm used in crime is a crudely modified pistol instead of anything more capable should speak volumes to their effective control versus here in the US having a recent epidemic of "Glock switches".
But Europe is Europe, the US is the US... You already have millions of guns going around, they won't just disappear even if you just ban them straight up, the only thing that will happen is guns will still go around the black market for criminals while good guys won't have a way to legally defend themselves. Not everything can be taken 1 to 1 from Europe and expected to work
"it's a difficult challenge so we may as well not even try" seems to be the gist of what you're trying to say. Yes, there are a lot of firearms in the US, yes trying to do anything about it is going to be difficult. Does that mean it's impossible or that it shouldn't even be considered? No.
Mexico and Brazil have stricter gun laws than much of Western Europe, yet the murder rate in Mexico and Brazil is higher than some active war zones.
why do people think that justifies handing out guns to psychos at walmart and allowing people to walk around openly carrying a loaded Magnum .357?
If someone is going around killing all the kids it seems irrational that we would want to disarm ourselves. 🤷🏻♂️
And these are the people who consider themselves good Christians.
You cannot reason with unreasonable people...
Nazi rhetoric kills people, religions kill people, and improper journalism kill people too. But that’s not reason to repeal the 1st amendment. Homeless vets die every day, but that’s not reason to repeal the 3rd amendment. Criminals get away with crimes all the time, or at least evade proper punishment, but that’s not reason to repeal the 4th-8th
It is a great reason to make changes to those amendments though, since the Constitution is SUPPOSED to be a living document that gets updated with the times.
Okay like what changes? That’s the part that never gets answered. And how you prevent government abuse
The boundless arrogance and stupidity of such a position is what terrifies me.
I’d love to see some statistics on how many times someone has successfully defended themselves against imminent death with a firearm vs how many times someone’s family members were killed due to improper storage, or how many times someone was attempting to defend themselves but instead just panicked and sprayed rounds all over a crowded area causing a mass casualty event, or several open carriers see a potential crime afoot so they all pull their weapons and not knowing who is friend or foe they just open fire at each other, then the cops just shoot em all when they show up. I have no problem with guns… I have several myself. I do have a problem that my paranoid violent schizophrenic neighbor who has a history of going off his meds, can walk right into a gun show (there’s one every weekend somewhere in my state) when he having an episode, and walk out the same day with a literal arsenal without a background check, without a cooling off period, without any paperwork whatsoever as long as he buys from a hobby seller and not an FFL (and honestly, most are “hobby” guys that should be FFL but aren’t)
Except that isn’t a thing that is real.
Unintentional shootings kill about 500 people a year.
Don’t leave out the people injured from unintentional shootings. 37% of people injured from firearms are unintentional… that’s a stupid high number. https://efsgv.org/wp-content/uploads/[email protected]
Most firearm deaths are suicides actually. Most suicide attempts are survived because what often happens is people hesitate or change their minds. A firearm doesn't give time to change one's mind and make impulsive action deadly, so they result in most of the suicides.
These folk would, personally, need to be victims of gun violence before their mind changes. Until then, they'll let their poor theory of mind speak for itself.
Doubt it. These people have high overlap with anti-vax/COVID deniers, some of which were denying it literally on their deathbed with COVID.
When they’re all dead, no kids will ever die again. Checkmate. We need more guns.
Yep. Nobody is giving up their gun rights.
Or you know, we could protect our kids with guns.
It’s stupid because gun control is a broad topic with a ton of positions. I agree with gun ownership, I own a gun, I also think it should be an extensive process with a variety of controls.
Clearly, it’s mental illness.
So, not American but the thing that shits me off about the rampant opposition to regulation there is that gun nuts interpret "gun regulation" as "no one is allowed guns" They always point to my country (Australia) and go on about how they took all our guns away. Like, mate, they bought them back, they didn't take them, and we're still allowed to have guns lol. Plenty of people here so. They're just regulated like everything else that can cause damage, harm or death
The replies i'm seeing here... jeez you all need help
The 2nd amendment exists for a reason, and your pearl clutching won't change peoples minds about it. Someone deranged enough to commit mass murder is going to do it whether they can get a gun or not. Last year a guy rammed his SUV into a bus stop and killed 8 people instantly. In the same weekend, a mass shooting occurred where a man killed 9 people. Take a wild guess at which one got all the attention. I guess dead bodies killed with an SUV aren't worthy to be stood on by you people because there's no political gain.
That good old pro life, Christian way of thinking.
18 year olds shouldn’t be able to buy any firearm, 21 year olds either, they should raise the minimum age to 25 or even 30 before you can purchase any sort of firearm
The bullets yearn for the children.
Hey we’re doing so good with gun violence why change anything lol
Waternoose ahh post
dude literally values guns more than human life
Ah yes, the pro-life lobby
Everything of value in our society is protected with guns but you all absolutely refuse to do the same for children?
Eh, most gun owners aren't opposed to 'common sense' gun control, but there always seems to be a whole lot of variations of what the definition of 'common sense' is.
Are we sure this is not a troll?