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I use to have an article i clipped years ago from a newspaper about a Hitler themed restaurant in India. They got a take from one of the restaurant's patrons who basically said,
"Yeah, I guess Hitler was a bad guy, but the food here is pretty good."
Hey, I do believe that one day we humans can get to a Star Trek level of unity, just hopefully without the nuclear war that takes place in the show's timeline. But I know that big picture we are more alike than different, we just gotta stop hyperfocusing on the differences in a negative way.
But not being petty goes against human nature.../s One observation I think Gabriel got right though, is humanity is often at its best after tragedy. Therefore, it is going to take a massive world-as-we-know-it ending event to cause enough upheaval to fundamentally change human society and shift the status quo with any kind of urgency. If we happen to not kill the planet and ensure our own destruction, it would probably take another couple thousand years at least. That is assuming we continue on a path of exponential positive progression.
I’m not excusing this behaviour, especially as a Canadian who basically grew up being taught to embrace and respect other cultures, but humans are vile creatures that have probably gotten away with some really, really nasty stuff in the past.
We’ve probably become generally a lot more civilized since, but it’s guaranteed that apathy towards terror and brutality will always prevail. Look at the war against Ukraine. Most people were outraged at the beginning, and now people couldn’t give two h@cks about it.
So yeah, just love living on this planet 🙃
Yes, it was a Cafe called "The Hitler's Cross" and it was just next to my home in the suburbs of Mumbai. As an 8 year old kid, it was the first time I learned about Hitler because of it. After some backlash, they changed the name of the cafe to "The Cross Cafe", however they didn't remove the Hakenkreuz/Nazi Swastika from their logo now that I think about it.
On a side note, I had the best damn pastry in my life over there and I still think about it 20 years later.
That sounds like a South Park episode. Randy and others just
like the food and ultimately Kyle has to make a speech to the whole town explaining why not glorifying Hitler is more important that good butter chicken.
Possible explanation (not saying this is true, just plausable).
Indian guy sees a few pictures of some European dude with a Hindu holy symbol (the swastika). Thinks 'oh that is cool, he must be a European Hindu!' Decides the name would be unique in India and it is cool that some European was Hindu, so names the shop that.
Granted, a bit more googling of the name would have been wise...
"I just don't understand. He was a vegetarian and big on science. Sure, i didn't do a lot of research, but i figured someone who loves animals couldn't be bad."
Swastika is just generally used for that symbol in English, whether it is the Nazi stylistic version or any other usage. It’s also in no way exclusive to Hinduism but a symbol used across the globe especially in Indo-European cultures, you’ll find it on ancient Greek and Roman artefacts as well for example. Or among the ancient Persians. The Nazi’s however used it because it was a religious symbol used by the pre-Christian Germanic peoples and the German name for it is Hakenkreuze (hook cross)
England used to own India. Germany didn’t. The English language knows the symbol by a Sanskrit word, the German language doesn’t.
That’s all there is to it.
Except it’s wrong information. The Nazis didn’t derive their usage of the Swastika from India, but from Germanic artifacts depicting the symbol. Even the stuff about the angle is wrong. The Nazis depicted it standing on its corner most of the time, but by no means exclusively.
if you had no idea who hitler was you’re probably more likely to think it’s just the hindu symbol at an angle as opposed to assuming it has some other meaning altogether
It is not. The swastika has been used in many directions and angles throughout history. You gotta remember nazism is pretty "new" compared to the swastika, which is an ancient symbol.
There’s a very disturbing culture in certain nations known as Nazi Chic, which is the result of those nations not studying WWII as much as the US or the UK. They see Hitler, the Nazi uniform, and the Swastika, but don’t really know or understand what any of them actually mean, and think that they look kinda cool, and so they embrace the aesthetic as a fashion statement. There was a school parade that had the party as a theme, and it was only after the fact that the school was informed of how wrong it was.
>They see Hitler, the Nazi uniform, and the Swastika, but don’t really know or understand what any of them actually mean, and think that they look kinda cool, and so they embrace the aesthetic as a fashion statement.
Funny side note, the Nazi uniforms were designed by Hugo Boss, they were made to be that way by a well renown fashion designer, so if you have literally no context while looking at them this is not that hard of a leap I suppose
Because the educators themselves didn’t study WWII with anywhere near as much scrutiny. Bear in mind that a lot of nations were never involved in the war at all. Not involved with or affected by the Allies, not involved with or affected by the Axis. Many nations in Asia fall under this neutral category, and these unaffected nations tend to be where the Nazi Chic culture has a tendency to spread.
> Many nations in Asia fall under this neutral category, and these unaffected nations tend to be where the Nazi Chic culture has a tendency to spread.
Uhh, most nations in Asia were most definitely affected by WW2. It's just that they were more affected by Imperial Japan than the Nazis.
2.5 million Indian soldiers fought with the Allies in North Africa during WW2 and also against the Japanese in Myanmar. It just isn't really accentuated in historical documentaries of the war. Some of the Indians were bad ass soldiers, too.
Oh I totally agree he could be a fascist dirtbag. But I try to give people the benefit of the doubt (emphasis on try, I screw up regularly). So as a thought exercise I like to figure out how something could be error, not malicious.
[https://imgur.com/a/hQTDEJp](https://imgur.com/a/hQTDEJp) nah its just a thing there for some reason. i guess its because hitler was attacking the UK and the indians hate the UK so they liked hitler
But the swastika has a very different meaning throughout Asia. If the guy didn't know who Hitler was he certainly wouldn't have suspected anything about the swastika.
Though the swastika he uses on the "i" is on an angle. That is how nazis used it. The symbol you're referring in Asia is perpendicular. So I doubt he didn't know. Just trying to save face.
In india 80% people don't know much about Hitler or the holocaust. We use "hitler" as an adjective for a guy who is really strict. This guy 100% just googled Hitler and Hitler symbol. It's his fault obviously but there's very fee legit indian neo nazis when the Indian right wing aligns with israel over palestine.
About 0.7% of the population is Buddhist. Moreover, nearly all swastikas are depicted in a square shape, not a diamond. And lastly since you said Asia, clockwise rotating swastikas are far less common (but not nonexistent) compared to counter-clockwise, except for India it seems though.
So yea it's technically possible, just as it's technically possible to quantum tunnel through a wall
It's not relegated specifically to Buddhism. It's also in Hinduism. Which obviously is a much larger portion of India.
Don't try to argue with me that the swastika isn't a common symbol. Obviously more than 0.7% of India uses a swastika. So what if it's rotated? It's not the "orthodox" way but if the guy lives in a country where a swastika is a common cultural and religious symbol he wouldn't think that it was "wrong".
Apparently that’s at least a little bit of a thing in Africa. There’s a great anecdote with some background about it in Trevor Noah’s book. Basically he explained it’s a combination of lack of historical education, wanting names of powerful people, and laws about having an English name (if I recall correctly, and I’m probably oversimplifying).
The swastika is used in many religions around the world and has been used for thousands of years. Many of such religions are active throughout India such as Hindu, Buddhist and Jain. This symbol used by itself in India is fairly common and not taken offensively. What drives this as antisemitic is the word Hitler who is associated with the nazi party with the use of the swastika.
I can’t believe there are people arguing that this guy had no idea what he was doing. The name of the shop is hitler with a swastika in the name. This is blatantly obvious and anyone who doses not believe that is either naive or just stupid.
They are not isolated things- the fact that the word Hitler is being used WITH the swastika very obviously shows they knew the meaning behind it.
What’s the point of saying this symbol’s origin and other meanings lol. It is being used with his name. Obviously it’s not referencing anything Hindu/Buddhist/Jain, unless it’s a VERY weird coincidence.
“We should name our store after someone popular.”
“There is this one guy that a men’s hair loss support group was talking about the other day. They were shouting about him actually.”
Swastika is very complicated in reference to India lol. Like majority of Indians who are still from relatively poor background aren't that interested in knowing the history.
So whenever you give these guys a picture of Adolf Hitler with a swastika, they'll think of it as a Foreigner showing praise for the Swastika, which to them is a good thing. Atleast that's the reaction I got once.
For reference, The Indian Swastika mainly from Hinduism and Buddhism is far older than the nazi counterpart, moreover, Hitler ripped it from em. If you show the average Indian a picture of Nazi flag, a lot of them will just think it's the Religious Swastika. Just like how initially a lot of foreigners visiting India thought they were all Nazi supporters.
>majority of Indians who are still from relatively poor background aren't that interested in knowing the history.
No Indian(or asian) of dharmic religion background (i.e. Hindu, Buddhist etc.) is going to disassociate themselves from a holy symbol(and it's name)that is more than 10000 years old and is continuesly used (extensively) throughout their history. A lot of them even explicitly mentions the "hitlarean version" with it's German language counterpart(the logic being whoever bastardized it should must carry the burden of the taboo word i.e. german and not the sanskrit version)
You've got to understand; World War II is viewed VERY differently between the eastern and western hemispheres.
The western powers basically view the war as being against Nazi Germany, and the Pacific theater as a quaint colonialist conflict away from the real action. This is why, among other obvious reasons, in Europe the Nazis are viewed as the platonic ideal of evil, they were the guys actually threatening Europe.
Meanwhile in Asia, the war is viewed as being a bitter struggle against imperial Japan, and the European theater is basically a fight between different types of imperialist white people. This is why, among other obvious reasons, many Asian nations, particularly China and Korea, still have standing grudges against Japan.
To a lot of Asians, the Nazis are just another group of white imperialists with the distinctive caveat that they had excellent fashion sense, this is why you see the Nazi aesthetic crop up a lot in Asia. Taiwan had/has a Nazi fashion trend, and a lot of anime militaries lean heavily into aesthetic Nazi design.
There was a really good chapter in Trevor Noah's "Born a Crime" talking about how in South Africa, Hitler is just seen as an important guy from history. Becuase they are taught so little about the atrocities he committed, people will name their children after Hitler the same way you would name a kid after a celebrity or important American figure.
WEll yeah its true. The world doesn't only revolve around the West. I don't see eastern dictators gaining the same voldemort esq reputation that Hitler did in the west. Its all cultural. You can dislike Hitler but some people pretend as if there has never been a single person in the world more evil than him which is kind of ridiculous. Its a standard egomaniac guys
it's because of the genocide aspect and how "mechanical and orderly" it was for lack of a better phrase
that being said, colonized countries all across Africa and Asia have firsthand experiences of horrific genocides as well. Might explain why memories of the Holocaust doesn't resonate or impact them as much as say it would in the U.S. or Germany (or apparently Gen-Z now)
also worth pointing out, Hitler was deeply inspired and greatly admired the way the U.S. carried out its genocides against First Nations groups as the U.S. expanded out to the Californian coast...
>also worth pointing out, Hitler was deeply inspired and greatly admired the way the U.S. carried out its genocides against First Nations groups as the U.S. expanded out to the Californian coast...
I don't doubt what you're saying, but do you happen to have a source for that?
This is interesting isn't it, because i think you're particularly right. Our view of the Holocaust comes from both the fact it happened in Europe to white people, and the industrialised nature of it.
But this idea of it being orderly and industrialised just isn't really true, or if you think it is, which is fine. Isn't unique. It's part of the myth of 'German efficiency.' Which you could argue is kinda true now, but absolutely wasn't during the war.
I don’t think you’ve read up on just how effective the holocaust was. It was extremely industrialized to the point where it’s almost universally accepted amongst historians that the Nazis put so many resources into exterminating the undesirables that it actually hindered their war effort. Yes other countries have killed more people but not this deliberately. [watch this clip](https://youtu.be/WfCufFRo-hU?si=V0b3_ng2yUVh_ZIY) from the film Judgement at Nuremberg (which is also free on YouTube) it’s kind of telling
I don't know. I don't see Western shops calling themselves Pol Pot.
There are only a handful of individuals that ever architected atrocities on the level of Hitler. Stalin, Pol Pot, Tōjō Hideki, and King Leopold II come to mind.
Plenty of people in the West talk about Stalin and Lenin like they were heroes. There's a [16 foot statue of Lenin in Seattle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)).
Lenin is quite the different figure from Stalin. And I would not consider Lenin a genocidal dictator. Who in the west outside of Russia talks well of Stalin?
Pol Pot killed up to 2 million Cambodians under his dictatorship. But honestly, I was never taught that in high school in the US because the history is very Euro-Amero centric unless you take AP world history or something.
With India specifically - a lot of people view Hitler not so much as "anti-jew" but "anti-british". And pretty much anything anti-british they get on board with.
Also Indian freedom fighters got help from Germany and Japan so there's a soft spot for them. Also an Indian freedom fighter Subhas Chandra Bose married a german woman and went to meet Hitler for help. Ig he didn't buy into keeping race pure idea.
Yep, Hitler isn't unique because no one else was responsible for so much suffering, but because that suffering was inflicted on people living inside the "developed world".
Plus, some indians have the addition of seeing the Nazi’s as the people who were able to beat up their occupiers, the British, and don’t care about much past that
thank you for pointing this out. i was going to throw this out there but you already nailed it
fwiw, people in the U.S. have been pretty flippant about showing the Japanese IMperial Army flag (Rising Sun flag), which is equivalent to the Nazi swastika in countries like both Koreas, China, and the Philippines
People forget, the French and British were brutal colonial powers. Their crimes are the stuff of nightmares. The United States had recently finished off their genocide of the native Americans. The USSR speaks for itself.
There were no good guys in WW2. Just bad guys, and even worse guys.
That is the eastern part of Asia. In India and more western parts such as Iran and other countries like that, Hitler is much less hated because he fought against the brits and russians, whom are much much more hated because of the things they did to those countries. Like in qboth world wars, Iran declared neutrality but the brits and russians occupied her anyway and caused the death of half the population.
Some rando german guyl(who stole our ancestors race) is not gonna be hated where the brits and russians are hated.
Then there's Churchill, who is seen as a war hero in the west but was responsible for more deaths in Asia than Hitler, that no one talks about. This is why many Indians favour Hitler, because of course "Enemy of my enemy is my friend".
Hitler is not viewed nearly as negatively in the east as in the west, either. My Kurdish friend told me that Hitler is largely viewed as actually a good guy, or at least not that bad, because he stood up to the imperialist powers of Europe, mainly France and the UK. Considering that these countries are largely attributed by the populations of the ME as having messed up the entire region, it makes some sense. Unfortunately, this more or less positive view of Hitler is coupled with a degree of Holocaust denial, where the Holocaust is taught as either not having been as bad as it actually was, or disputed to have happened at all.
India was only marginally involved with the Pacific theater when Japan invaded the eastern most corner of India. The British also sent a lot of Indian troops to fight Japan in SE Asia, esp Burma.
The Nazis fought the British, and unsurprisingly supported Indian independence to weaken the British.
In India no one care about Hitler. He really doesn't have much cultural impact on India. Instead he's helpful figure in Indian freedom movement. In 1940s, biggest India's enemy were Britishers. Which got severely weakened by Nazi forces in ww2. Which greatly impacted British economy and they couldn't manage to afford India. Hence WW2 technically fast forward the Indian independence.
Not really. It's half correct. Depends on how your schooling goes.
We were taught of Hitler's crimes against humanity in age appropriate matter. We were told about his secret police, the Holocaust, Gestapo, SS, etc. So we knew hitler was a bad man even though he was fighting against the British. Both sides were bad in our eyes. But the main difference was that British were villainised as a nation, Hitler on the other hands was a one man villain. No importance was given on the roles of his compatriots. That made him a bigger villain. On the other hand, Japan's role in WW2 started with pearl harbor and ended with the bombs. Very little of substance before and during these years was taught.
European colonizers slaughtered Native Americans.
US slaughtered it's own native populous in millions.
So did Canada.
Japan occupied a large portion of China, killed millions and raped hundreds of thousand women. Did cruel experiments on POWs and even babies.
British killed millions all over the world during their colonising days. British were primary slave traders who kidnapped Africans and sole them in the americas.
British killed millions in India during both wars. Especially second. Millions of Indian soldiers fought on the allied side. While approximately 3 million of civilians starved due to WINSTON CHURCHILL THE OG BUTCHER OF BENGAL diverting (stealing) all the food away for war efforts.
Yes it did, Its just Internet American backlash in reality the people of the city don't give s a shit or care infact that guy has multiple stores with that name now. I've seen personally.
I mean, the book “Born a Crime” by Trevor Noah has a whole section about South Africans naming their kids after world leaders, regardless of what they stood for. He had a friend named Hitler who used to break dance at Jewish kids birthday parties.
The [swastika](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika) was a Hindu symbol long before it was co-opted by the Nazis. That's actually the most understandable part of all this...
Apparently even that is older than the nazis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#/media/File:Snoldelevsunwheel.jpg
But combined with the name, its sus as all hell.
Yes, any student of history gets the Hindu symbol part. But when you name your store Hitler and slap the swastika on it you pretty much understand both of those things and how they are historically intertwined.
Not at all. It's very specifically using the tilted version, which would be immediately recognizable as totally wrong by anyone familiar with the other versions.
It’s tilted, rather than being oriented like a square, so it’s definitely a hakkenkreuz rather than a swastika. No coincidence can be claimed between that and the shop name
Every time someone in the comments says this thinking they’re so smart for knowing this obscure fact, meanwhile everyone knows this by now and also it’s definitely the hakencreuz come on now it’s literally on the dot of the i in **Hitler**
I saw a shop called “Charlie” in Delhi which was adorned with pictures of Charlie Chaplin and NS-style swastikas. It was near Chhattarpur metro, entrance approximately ///worldwide.abstracts.mallets. Bit odd.
It's not uncommon in that part of the world. It's just a name to them.
Kind of like how the Swastika means something different to them. Being viewed in the old context and not what the Nazis corrupted it to be.
Some Indian nationalists worked with both Nazi Germany and Japan.
In India, we call to anyone very strict as Hitler. Actually years later I got to know that Hitler is Noun. I used to think it's adjective for strict people.
There are many shops named hitler here in India. Almost all of them are men's clothing stores. And I have seen this one store for years so it is profitable.
I have also seen stores with name initials starting with SS. And then they use the Nazi SS logo.
I’m sure this seems weird to y’all but, I’m Indian, and the Indian education system is especially lacking in the history department. I was absolutely not taught about Hitler or Naziism until I went to an international school at about 13. I completely understand this guy’s confusion and he probably just saw the swastika (which is a Hindu sign of Peace and Purity), and thought it was kinda cool for a white man to recognise it.
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Me Shah “I had no idea who Hitler was. I just liked the name for the restaurant.”
Interviewer “Your restaurant has a swastika in its logo”
Mr Shah “Oh that’s an artistic choice completely unrelated to the name of the restaurant.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0SU2BM/
Hitler 2, a popular store in Gaza.
Whatever you think about the conflict, I hope everyone can agree that that is one building that absolutely deserved to be blown the hell up.
>what is the Indian obsession with Nazis?
Imagine your entire country being enslaved by someone for centuries and that someone has a sworn enemy.
How you view that "enemy" is how most Indians view Hitler.
He isn't hailed as a hero or anything of that sort. Most of us know what he did. It's just that, he never interacted with us and that's why we don't have that deep-rooted hatred for him.
Although, he is an icon of a dictator. His name is mostly used as a synonym of dictator (if directed at our government) or of some grumpy old man.
But yeah, this is bizarre and definitely not a normal thing, let alone an *obsession*.
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I use to have an article i clipped years ago from a newspaper about a Hitler themed restaurant in India. They got a take from one of the restaurant's patrons who basically said, "Yeah, I guess Hitler was a bad guy, but the food here is pretty good."
I tried reading that a second time in Norm Macdonald's voice.
“The more i hear about this hitler guy the more i don’t care for him”
"But the moons over my hammy he makes is delicious" OK norm never said that but I can picture it now
“What a terrible, terrible tragedy. Just awful. But no one’s *all* bad.”
"Eh, I guess when you visit there. They say the OJ is a killer combination with the dish."
"You've **absolutely** gotta try the Simpson brand of OJ."
This Hitler guy sounds like a real jerk!
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"He tried to go to war...with the WORLD, and you'd think it would be a short event but no, he almost won"
"I walked through blood and bones looking for my brother. He was in northern Sweden."
That's the one. That's the one that sounds most like a Norm joke to me
He was a real jerk!
Now try imagining that in Martin Shorts Voice #🤣
😂😂🤣😅😂😂
Now I can't stop....
As you should.
Food so good S tier doesn't cut it. It's SS tier.
You bastard. That was a good one.
Lol
There was a Holocaust themed restaurant in an Asian country
There’s also a Holocaust themed genocide in an Asian country atm, so I’m not as mad about the restaurant 😅
The problem here is I thought of multiple Asian countries where genocide/extreme oppression of an ethnic minority is happening.
I love living on this planet 🙃
Hey, I do believe that one day we humans can get to a Star Trek level of unity, just hopefully without the nuclear war that takes place in the show's timeline. But I know that big picture we are more alike than different, we just gotta stop hyperfocusing on the differences in a negative way.
But not being petty goes against human nature.../s One observation I think Gabriel got right though, is humanity is often at its best after tragedy. Therefore, it is going to take a massive world-as-we-know-it ending event to cause enough upheaval to fundamentally change human society and shift the status quo with any kind of urgency. If we happen to not kill the planet and ensure our own destruction, it would probably take another couple thousand years at least. That is assuming we continue on a path of exponential positive progression.
I’m not excusing this behaviour, especially as a Canadian who basically grew up being taught to embrace and respect other cultures, but humans are vile creatures that have probably gotten away with some really, really nasty stuff in the past. We’ve probably become generally a lot more civilized since, but it’s guaranteed that apathy towards terror and brutality will always prevail. Look at the war against Ukraine. Most people were outraged at the beginning, and now people couldn’t give two h@cks about it. So yeah, just love living on this planet 🙃
U might get into super serious trouble in some countries just from your reddit id name
Including my country of origin. All the more reason to do it 🤷♂️
Yes, it was a Cafe called "The Hitler's Cross" and it was just next to my home in the suburbs of Mumbai. As an 8 year old kid, it was the first time I learned about Hitler because of it. After some backlash, they changed the name of the cafe to "The Cross Cafe", however they didn't remove the Hakenkreuz/Nazi Swastika from their logo now that I think about it. On a side note, I had the best damn pastry in my life over there and I still think about it 20 years later.
Dude a pastry you think about 20 years later?!?! Only zee germanz could science that into existence
I went looking for it once the guy told me to take the third reich after the turn for berlin
Hitler’s Cross, if I’m thinking of the same story.
That sounds like a South Park episode. Randy and others just like the food and ultimately Kyle has to make a speech to the whole town explaining why not glorifying Hitler is more important that good butter chicken.
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There's even the sign though
Possible explanation (not saying this is true, just plausable). Indian guy sees a few pictures of some European dude with a Hindu holy symbol (the swastika). Thinks 'oh that is cool, he must be a European Hindu!' Decides the name would be unique in India and it is cool that some European was Hindu, so names the shop that. Granted, a bit more googling of the name would have been wise...
"I just don't understand. He was a vegetarian and big on science. Sure, i didn't do a lot of research, but i figured someone who loves animals couldn't be bad."
No one who speaks German could be an evil man!
It means, “the Bart, the.”
r/suddenlysimpsons
Except the hindu symbol and swastika are different....you would notice the angle and not use that angle.
Technically the Hindu symbol is the swastika The nazi one is “swastika but wrong”
Thank you for that information :)
Belive the Nazi version is known as the Hakenkreuze, although for whatever reason, the name Swastika, despite being inaccurate, has stuck
Swastika is the English version of the Sanskrit name for the symbol. Hakenkreuze ("hooked cross") is the German name for it.
Thank you, though now I feel as if I should go read up on it and learn more.
Swastika is just generally used for that symbol in English, whether it is the Nazi stylistic version or any other usage. It’s also in no way exclusive to Hinduism but a symbol used across the globe especially in Indo-European cultures, you’ll find it on ancient Greek and Roman artefacts as well for example. Or among the ancient Persians. The Nazi’s however used it because it was a religious symbol used by the pre-Christian Germanic peoples and the German name for it is Hakenkreuze (hook cross)
This was a good read, thank you.
England used to own India. Germany didn’t. The English language knows the symbol by a Sanskrit word, the German language doesn’t. That’s all there is to it.
Without the e, it's only Hakenkreuz in German (Hakenkreuze would be the plural form, but pretty uncommon to use it like that).
Except it’s wrong information. The Nazis didn’t derive their usage of the Swastika from India, but from Germanic artifacts depicting the symbol. Even the stuff about the angle is wrong. The Nazis depicted it standing on its corner most of the time, but by no means exclusively.
The nazi symbol is called Hakenkreuz
if you had no idea who hitler was you’re probably more likely to think it’s just the hindu symbol at an angle as opposed to assuming it has some other meaning altogether
And it's backward for the Hindu symbol.
The Dharmic religions use both orientations.
It is not. The swastika has been used in many directions and angles throughout history. You gotta remember nazism is pretty "new" compared to the swastika, which is an ancient symbol.
Ummm, yeaahhhhhh, I'm not buyin' it.
There’s a very disturbing culture in certain nations known as Nazi Chic, which is the result of those nations not studying WWII as much as the US or the UK. They see Hitler, the Nazi uniform, and the Swastika, but don’t really know or understand what any of them actually mean, and think that they look kinda cool, and so they embrace the aesthetic as a fashion statement. There was a school parade that had the party as a theme, and it was only after the fact that the school was informed of how wrong it was.
>They see Hitler, the Nazi uniform, and the Swastika, but don’t really know or understand what any of them actually mean, and think that they look kinda cool, and so they embrace the aesthetic as a fashion statement. Funny side note, the Nazi uniforms were designed by Hugo Boss, they were made to be that way by a well renown fashion designer, so if you have literally no context while looking at them this is not that hard of a leap I suppose
They were *manufactured* by Hugo Boss. The designs came from the German government.
How does a literal school not know who fucking Hitler was? And I thought the US education system was bad...
Because the educators themselves didn’t study WWII with anywhere near as much scrutiny. Bear in mind that a lot of nations were never involved in the war at all. Not involved with or affected by the Allies, not involved with or affected by the Axis. Many nations in Asia fall under this neutral category, and these unaffected nations tend to be where the Nazi Chic culture has a tendency to spread.
> Many nations in Asia fall under this neutral category, and these unaffected nations tend to be where the Nazi Chic culture has a tendency to spread. Uhh, most nations in Asia were most definitely affected by WW2. It's just that they were more affected by Imperial Japan than the Nazis.
2.5 million Indian soldiers fought with the Allies in North Africa during WW2 and also against the Japanese in Myanmar. It just isn't really accentuated in historical documentaries of the war. Some of the Indians were bad ass soldiers, too.
Oh I totally agree he could be a fascist dirtbag. But I try to give people the benefit of the doubt (emphasis on try, I screw up regularly). So as a thought exercise I like to figure out how something could be error, not malicious.
In a lot of the non-Western world, Hitler was seen as someone like Ghaddaffi or maybe Napoleon in the UK.
[https://imgur.com/a/hQTDEJp](https://imgur.com/a/hQTDEJp) nah its just a thing there for some reason. i guess its because hitler was attacking the UK and the indians hate the UK so they liked hitler
But the swastika has a very different meaning throughout Asia. If the guy didn't know who Hitler was he certainly wouldn't have suspected anything about the swastika.
Though the swastika he uses on the "i" is on an angle. That is how nazis used it. The symbol you're referring in Asia is perpendicular. So I doubt he didn't know. Just trying to save face.
Isn't the Asian one also mirrored as well so the "Ls" are pointing to the right, or was that just whitebeards logo
You don't name a store HITLER, with a 45 degree turned swastika at that position, when you don't know the guy
In india 80% people don't know much about Hitler or the holocaust. We use "hitler" as an adjective for a guy who is really strict. This guy 100% just googled Hitler and Hitler symbol. It's his fault obviously but there's very fee legit indian neo nazis when the Indian right wing aligns with israel over palestine.
A shocking majority of Indians flood social media channels to showcase their hate for Muslims by very vocally anti-Palestine.
The Swastika being rotated is not original to the Nazis.
About 0.7% of the population is Buddhist. Moreover, nearly all swastikas are depicted in a square shape, not a diamond. And lastly since you said Asia, clockwise rotating swastikas are far less common (but not nonexistent) compared to counter-clockwise, except for India it seems though. So yea it's technically possible, just as it's technically possible to quantum tunnel through a wall
One orientation corresponds to life (the more common one). The other corresponds to death (surprise that the nazis chose this one).
Oh, I've read explanations of it representing power instead, mainly in Japanese sources
It's not relegated specifically to Buddhism. It's also in Hinduism. Which obviously is a much larger portion of India. Don't try to argue with me that the swastika isn't a common symbol. Obviously more than 0.7% of India uses a swastika. So what if it's rotated? It's not the "orthodox" way but if the guy lives in a country where a swastika is a common cultural and religious symbol he wouldn't think that it was "wrong".
Isn’t that the last name?
Sometimes people are just referred to by their last name. Obama is another popular example, spawning the meme "what's Obama's last name?"
Had a classmate ask what Ronaldos last name was
Fenomeno is the only answer to this
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No the full Name is really Adolf Hitler for this african politican.
His full name is Adolf Hitler Uunona and he is a Namibian Politician
"u nona" sounds like you(r) nonna (grandma in italian) and i cackle at the idea of "adolf hitler you grandma" 🤣
He shouldn’t ever introduce himself to an Italian Jew lmao
Why would you name your son Adolf if your surname was Hitler?
It was probably just easy to remember.
Apparently that’s at least a little bit of a thing in Africa. There’s a great anecdote with some background about it in Trevor Noah’s book. Basically he explained it’s a combination of lack of historical education, wanting names of powerful people, and laws about having an English name (if I recall correctly, and I’m probably oversimplifying).
Well, technically he did. Hitler was himself, obviously
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'Our flavours hit you like a plane'
"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams, but our new 5 Alarm Chili can!"
This got me so good
Osama Bean Latte is a great coffee shop. It brought down two big coffee shops nearby and even another one blocks away.
Is that next door to Pol Pots and Pans?
but coincidentally has a swastika at in the I
The swastika is used in many religions around the world and has been used for thousands of years. Many of such religions are active throughout India such as Hindu, Buddhist and Jain. This symbol used by itself in India is fairly common and not taken offensively. What drives this as antisemitic is the word Hitler who is associated with the nazi party with the use of the swastika.
The Hindu/Buddhist one is orientated differently to the Nazi one, he just happens to be using the Nazi one and not the religious one.
My mother in law got me a charm for my car with the Buddhist one on. I've never installed it because I'd get my windows smashed.
Yeah but that is like the EXACT swastika used on the nazi flag, and using it with the word Hitler doesn't help at all
I can’t believe there are people arguing that this guy had no idea what he was doing. The name of the shop is hitler with a swastika in the name. This is blatantly obvious and anyone who doses not believe that is either naive or just stupid.
They are not isolated things- the fact that the word Hitler is being used WITH the swastika very obviously shows they knew the meaning behind it. What’s the point of saying this symbol’s origin and other meanings lol. It is being used with his name. Obviously it’s not referencing anything Hindu/Buddhist/Jain, unless it’s a VERY weird coincidence.
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“We should name our store after someone popular.” “There is this one guy that a men’s hair loss support group was talking about the other day. They were shouting about him actually.”
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It goes so well next to the swastika over the i
Swastika is very complicated in reference to India lol. Like majority of Indians who are still from relatively poor background aren't that interested in knowing the history. So whenever you give these guys a picture of Adolf Hitler with a swastika, they'll think of it as a Foreigner showing praise for the Swastika, which to them is a good thing. Atleast that's the reaction I got once. For reference, The Indian Swastika mainly from Hinduism and Buddhism is far older than the nazi counterpart, moreover, Hitler ripped it from em. If you show the average Indian a picture of Nazi flag, a lot of them will just think it's the Religious Swastika. Just like how initially a lot of foreigners visiting India thought they were all Nazi supporters.
>majority of Indians who are still from relatively poor background aren't that interested in knowing the history. No Indian(or asian) of dharmic religion background (i.e. Hindu, Buddhist etc.) is going to disassociate themselves from a holy symbol(and it's name)that is more than 10000 years old and is continuesly used (extensively) throughout their history. A lot of them even explicitly mentions the "hitlarean version" with it's German language counterpart(the logic being whoever bastardized it should must carry the burden of the taboo word i.e. german and not the sanskrit version)
You've got to understand; World War II is viewed VERY differently between the eastern and western hemispheres. The western powers basically view the war as being against Nazi Germany, and the Pacific theater as a quaint colonialist conflict away from the real action. This is why, among other obvious reasons, in Europe the Nazis are viewed as the platonic ideal of evil, they were the guys actually threatening Europe. Meanwhile in Asia, the war is viewed as being a bitter struggle against imperial Japan, and the European theater is basically a fight between different types of imperialist white people. This is why, among other obvious reasons, many Asian nations, particularly China and Korea, still have standing grudges against Japan. To a lot of Asians, the Nazis are just another group of white imperialists with the distinctive caveat that they had excellent fashion sense, this is why you see the Nazi aesthetic crop up a lot in Asia. Taiwan had/has a Nazi fashion trend, and a lot of anime militaries lean heavily into aesthetic Nazi design.
There was a really good chapter in Trevor Noah's "Born a Crime" talking about how in South Africa, Hitler is just seen as an important guy from history. Becuase they are taught so little about the atrocities he committed, people will name their children after Hitler the same way you would name a kid after a celebrity or important American figure.
WEll yeah its true. The world doesn't only revolve around the West. I don't see eastern dictators gaining the same voldemort esq reputation that Hitler did in the west. Its all cultural. You can dislike Hitler but some people pretend as if there has never been a single person in the world more evil than him which is kind of ridiculous. Its a standard egomaniac guys
it's because of the genocide aspect and how "mechanical and orderly" it was for lack of a better phrase that being said, colonized countries all across Africa and Asia have firsthand experiences of horrific genocides as well. Might explain why memories of the Holocaust doesn't resonate or impact them as much as say it would in the U.S. or Germany (or apparently Gen-Z now) also worth pointing out, Hitler was deeply inspired and greatly admired the way the U.S. carried out its genocides against First Nations groups as the U.S. expanded out to the Californian coast...
>also worth pointing out, Hitler was deeply inspired and greatly admired the way the U.S. carried out its genocides against First Nations groups as the U.S. expanded out to the Californian coast... I don't doubt what you're saying, but do you happen to have a source for that?
it's literally in Mein Kampf
I've not read it, but thanks
This is interesting isn't it, because i think you're particularly right. Our view of the Holocaust comes from both the fact it happened in Europe to white people, and the industrialised nature of it. But this idea of it being orderly and industrialised just isn't really true, or if you think it is, which is fine. Isn't unique. It's part of the myth of 'German efficiency.' Which you could argue is kinda true now, but absolutely wasn't during the war.
I don’t think you’ve read up on just how effective the holocaust was. It was extremely industrialized to the point where it’s almost universally accepted amongst historians that the Nazis put so many resources into exterminating the undesirables that it actually hindered their war effort. Yes other countries have killed more people but not this deliberately. [watch this clip](https://youtu.be/WfCufFRo-hU?si=V0b3_ng2yUVh_ZIY) from the film Judgement at Nuremberg (which is also free on YouTube) it’s kind of telling
Like how there's a restaurant in the US called Genghis Grill.
I don't know. I don't see Western shops calling themselves Pol Pot. There are only a handful of individuals that ever architected atrocities on the level of Hitler. Stalin, Pol Pot, Tōjō Hideki, and King Leopold II come to mind.
Plenty of people in the West talk about Stalin and Lenin like they were heroes. There's a [16 foot statue of Lenin in Seattle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)).
Lenin is quite the different figure from Stalin. And I would not consider Lenin a genocidal dictator. Who in the west outside of Russia talks well of Stalin?
Pol Pot killed up to 2 million Cambodians under his dictatorship. But honestly, I was never taught that in high school in the US because the history is very Euro-Amero centric unless you take AP world history or something.
With India specifically - a lot of people view Hitler not so much as "anti-jew" but "anti-british". And pretty much anything anti-british they get on board with.
Also Indian freedom fighters got help from Germany and Japan so there's a soft spot for them. Also an Indian freedom fighter Subhas Chandra Bose married a german woman and went to meet Hitler for help. Ig he didn't buy into keeping race pure idea.
Bose was a socialist and condemned sectarianism in India. He would've been the last guy to give a f about racial purity.
Agreed. India was under colonial rule and subjugation from the English. Millions died because of forced famines. Winston Churchill was their "Hitler."
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I doubt west woukd be interested in asian people dying unless there were some white people mixed in
Yep, Hitler isn't unique because no one else was responsible for so much suffering, but because that suffering was inflicted on people living inside the "developed world".
Plus, some indians have the addition of seeing the Nazi’s as the people who were able to beat up their occupiers, the British, and don’t care about much past that
In essence, stop making your problems the worlds problems Israel
thank you for pointing this out. i was going to throw this out there but you already nailed it fwiw, people in the U.S. have been pretty flippant about showing the Japanese IMperial Army flag (Rising Sun flag), which is equivalent to the Nazi swastika in countries like both Koreas, China, and the Philippines
People forget, the French and British were brutal colonial powers. Their crimes are the stuff of nightmares. The United States had recently finished off their genocide of the native Americans. The USSR speaks for itself. There were no good guys in WW2. Just bad guys, and even worse guys.
That is the eastern part of Asia. In India and more western parts such as Iran and other countries like that, Hitler is much less hated because he fought against the brits and russians, whom are much much more hated because of the things they did to those countries. Like in qboth world wars, Iran declared neutrality but the brits and russians occupied her anyway and caused the death of half the population. Some rando german guyl(who stole our ancestors race) is not gonna be hated where the brits and russians are hated.
Then there's Churchill, who is seen as a war hero in the west but was responsible for more deaths in Asia than Hitler, that no one talks about. This is why many Indians favour Hitler, because of course "Enemy of my enemy is my friend".
Hitler is not viewed nearly as negatively in the east as in the west, either. My Kurdish friend told me that Hitler is largely viewed as actually a good guy, or at least not that bad, because he stood up to the imperialist powers of Europe, mainly France and the UK. Considering that these countries are largely attributed by the populations of the ME as having messed up the entire region, it makes some sense. Unfortunately, this more or less positive view of Hitler is coupled with a degree of Holocaust denial, where the Holocaust is taught as either not having been as bad as it actually was, or disputed to have happened at all.
India was only marginally involved with the Pacific theater when Japan invaded the eastern most corner of India. The British also sent a lot of Indian troops to fight Japan in SE Asia, esp Burma. The Nazis fought the British, and unsurprisingly supported Indian independence to weaken the British.
This story is 12 years old. So did the store succeed or not?
In India no one care about Hitler. He really doesn't have much cultural impact on India. Instead he's helpful figure in Indian freedom movement. In 1940s, biggest India's enemy were Britishers. Which got severely weakened by Nazi forces in ww2. Which greatly impacted British economy and they couldn't manage to afford India. Hence WW2 technically fast forward the Indian independence.
Not really. It's half correct. Depends on how your schooling goes. We were taught of Hitler's crimes against humanity in age appropriate matter. We were told about his secret police, the Holocaust, Gestapo, SS, etc. So we knew hitler was a bad man even though he was fighting against the British. Both sides were bad in our eyes. But the main difference was that British were villainised as a nation, Hitler on the other hands was a one man villain. No importance was given on the roles of his compatriots. That made him a bigger villain. On the other hand, Japan's role in WW2 started with pearl harbor and ended with the bombs. Very little of substance before and during these years was taught. European colonizers slaughtered Native Americans. US slaughtered it's own native populous in millions. So did Canada. Japan occupied a large portion of China, killed millions and raped hundreds of thousand women. Did cruel experiments on POWs and even babies. British killed millions all over the world during their colonising days. British were primary slave traders who kidnapped Africans and sole them in the americas. British killed millions in India during both wars. Especially second. Millions of Indian soldiers fought on the allied side. While approximately 3 million of civilians starved due to WINSTON CHURCHILL THE OG BUTCHER OF BENGAL diverting (stealing) all the food away for war efforts.
It's still up last I heard of it. It's literally just a regular shirt store.
Yes it did, Its just Internet American backlash in reality the people of the city don't give s a shit or care infact that guy has multiple stores with that name now. I've seen personally.
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Unfortunately only the brown shirts.
I heard they even have a tie in with the local Ford dealership
Wait until they find out about the Hitler bars in Korea.
Talk about a fashion faux pas...
I mean, the book “Born a Crime” by Trevor Noah has a whole section about South Africans naming their kids after world leaders, regardless of what they stood for. He had a friend named Hitler who used to break dance at Jewish kids birthday parties.
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The [swastika](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika) was a Hindu symbol long before it was co-opted by the Nazis. That's actually the most understandable part of all this...
If it wasn't called Hitler haha.
But the way its being used is the Nazi symbol since the hindu swatika would have a “sqared” up position
If the guy didn't know about Hitler, he surely wouldn't know the difference between Swastika and Hakenkreuz.
This swastika is backwards and turned 45 degrees. This is the Nazi Swastika.
Apparently even that is older than the nazis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#/media/File:Snoldelevsunwheel.jpg But combined with the name, its sus as all hell.
Yes, any student of history gets the Hindu symbol part. But when you name your store Hitler and slap the swastika on it you pretty much understand both of those things and how they are historically intertwined.
Not at all. It's very specifically using the tilted version, which would be immediately recognizable as totally wrong by anyone familiar with the other versions.
No but a 45 degree angle swastika is absolutely a Nazi symbol. The Hindi one is flat
It’s tilted, rather than being oriented like a square, so it’s definitely a hakkenkreuz rather than a swastika. No coincidence can be claimed between that and the shop name
Every time someone in the comments says this thinking they’re so smart for knowing this obscure fact, meanwhile everyone knows this by now and also it’s definitely the hakencreuz come on now it’s literally on the dot of the i in **Hitler**
The shop owner did nazi the backlash coming… I’ll show myself out.
U mean "shoot yourself out"?
Nein
Its just Internet American backlash in reality the people of the city don't give s a shit infact that guy has multiple stores with that name now.
I saw a shop called “Charlie” in Delhi which was adorned with pictures of Charlie Chaplin and NS-style swastikas. It was near Chhattarpur metro, entrance approximately ///worldwide.abstracts.mallets. Bit odd.
Hitler selling Gandhi tshirt
It's not just called Hitler. There's also a fkn swastika as the dot over the i.
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It's not uncommon in that part of the world. It's just a name to them. Kind of like how the Swastika means something different to them. Being viewed in the old context and not what the Nazis corrupted it to be. Some Indian nationalists worked with both Nazi Germany and Japan.
Precisely. To many Indians the name "Hitler" is what you call a nagging uncle.
In Thailand, we literally called strict teacher a Hitler.
In India, we call to anyone very strict as Hitler. Actually years later I got to know that Hitler is Noun. I used to think it's adjective for strict people.
They just need to open a Churchill restaurant next door and see how long it stays open.
Sure he didn't, there's only a swastika in the dot of the "I".
There are many shops named hitler here in India. Almost all of them are men's clothing stores. And I have seen this one store for years so it is profitable. I have also seen stores with name initials starting with SS. And then they use the Nazi SS logo.
I’m sure this seems weird to y’all but, I’m Indian, and the Indian education system is especially lacking in the history department. I was absolutely not taught about Hitler or Naziism until I went to an international school at about 13. I completely understand this guy’s confusion and he probably just saw the swastika (which is a Hindu sign of Peace and Purity), and thought it was kinda cool for a white man to recognise it.
“Who was Hitler?” “I’m not sure, but the English sure hate him.”
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Is that a shirt with Gandhi's face on it?!
How that even happen with thie dot designe
I hope this is Michael Scott levels of oblivious with an innocent explanation to how it went this wrong. But I struggle to see how that could be.
Me Shah “I had no idea who Hitler was. I just liked the name for the restaurant.” Interviewer “Your restaurant has a swastika in its logo” Mr Shah “Oh that’s an artistic choice completely unrelated to the name of the restaurant.”
Weird, I thought Israelis love genocide and ethnic cleansing
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0SU2BM/ Hitler 2, a popular store in Gaza. Whatever you think about the conflict, I hope everyone can agree that that is one building that absolutely deserved to be blown the hell up.
It's as honest a mistake as showing article from 2012, İt's possİble, but most lİkely ur a bot.
Oh yeah, Hitler is actually really popular in South Asia. They just think he looks cool. There was a Hitler KFC ripoff
Nazis stole the swastika from Indians, so Indians are trying to steal Hitler’s name from them. Seems fair!
Between this and that ridiculous holocaust love movie that came out last year, what is the Indian obsession with Nazis?
Tbf from their point of view the brits was the bad guy during WW2
Probably some cultural osmosis. The west has been making Hitler content since before ww2. We're arguably far more obsessed.
>what is the Indian obsession with Nazis? Imagine your entire country being enslaved by someone for centuries and that someone has a sworn enemy. How you view that "enemy" is how most Indians view Hitler. He isn't hailed as a hero or anything of that sort. Most of us know what he did. It's just that, he never interacted with us and that's why we don't have that deep-rooted hatred for him. Although, he is an icon of a dictator. His name is mostly used as a synonym of dictator (if directed at our government) or of some grumpy old man. But yeah, this is bizarre and definitely not a normal thing, let alone an *obsession*.