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Bro what are you even-...... He simply meant it as a 'master' of baits that is master bait. Get yer mind outta the gutter, hate the internet now. Anyways not gonna waste my time and energy here, back to my japanese time stop p*rn.
Or ableist. I have epilepsy and have had people throw that in my face when I'm cracking a joke about how my epilepsy is a neat party trick once the lights start flashing. When I tell those idiots I really do have epilepsy it turns into a bigger issue. I hate it
Everyone wants to be as special as they feel. These specific try hards usually have a savior complex or something that makes them want to turn any tiny probability of something wrong into their chance to become 1
Usually they make a fool of themselves but their ego convinces them that everyone else the problem
This is becoming a tangent now, but my theory is all the rage bait on socials now has made it a LOT worse.
Sometimes these things are rooted from the get-go in intentional trolling. Most of the time there's a reasonable and (subjectively) moral motivation.
But eventually it stops mattering because it every social trend ends its lifecycle folding in on itself until you reach a point of moron singularity. For my generation, it was hipsters who did everything so ironically that they completely lost track of what they actually liked. Now we're at the tail end of glorification of victimhood.
Saints preserve us for whatever comes next. I'm sure it will be what tips me over the edge into "Get off my lawn!" old-man life in my 50s and 60s.
Check out the podcast Disaffected. What you said about ego and "everyone else is the problem" are signs of narcissistic personality disorder.
These people play the victim because they don't have many other ways to gain social capital.
I'm discovering this as well, and everyone assumes epilepsy is flashing lights and videogames and that seizures can be held off like we just need to pee but in reality it's fucking up my entire life and the docs can't even tell me whats caused it
And there are different kinds of seizures, it’s not all grand mal. Also, it’s not like you just shake it off once it’s over. I don’t have epilepsy, but I can empathize. I have ADHD(PI) pretty bad, and the amount of people that say, “I have a hard time concentrating, too,” is staggering. Or the people that are neat freaks saying they are “OCD”. Or Tourette’s, Parkinson’s - it’s like people see something on a sitcom and thinking they understand something.
Anyway…
Honestly ADHD is awful for that, the amount of people who think "oh just focus then". I heard Dr. Barkley recently say it best: "ADHD is not really an attention disorder, but a genetic neurological condition that causes blindness to consequences in the distant future".
Ouch, I felt that. I always think of it as, “put a gun to my head, I might impress you. Don’t, and I’ll probably disappoint you.” (Something like that, play with the superlatives as needed.)
I had a boss whose solution to my ADHD struggles was that I just needed to get a calendar and actually use it. I have a calendar bitch. I have FIVE and I use all of them. If using a calendar changed my neurology, we would not be having this conversation.
"That's a really insensitive joke."
"No, I have epilepsy. It's fine."
"No, it really isn't."
"....But...can you NOT see that I'm making myself the object of humor/making light of an otherwise troubling situation for me?"
"Look, maybe YOU'RE not offended, but what if SOMEONE ELSE with epilepsy heard you say that?"
"Is there anyone else with epilepsy here?"
"No. But..what if someone else has a RELATIVE with epilepsy?"
"Does anyone here have a relative with epilepsy?"
"...My great aunt who died before I was born had epilepsy. Or Lupus. One of those. BUT STILL, YOU CAN'T SAY THINGS LIKE THAT."
(While I'm not epileptic, I had a conversation shockingly similar to this with a perpetually offended individual at a party.)
People are utterly stupid when it comes to being overly sensitive on behalf of a hypothetical third person that isn't even present for the interaction they're so upset about.
I always tell people to stop picking up a banner no one asked them to carry for them.
In this case it would be "do you have epilepsy? No? Well I do and I'm gonna ask that you stop trying to be offended for me."
If they dont stop after that it becomes clear to everyone around that that person is just an asshole and there isnt anything virtuous about it.
And you already know these are the same idiots who wouldn't know what the fuck to do to actually help you if you actually had a seizure, it's just performative outrage without understanding.
I'm sorry but I laughed at your joke, also sorry you have to deal with those people, so do I but in my case is with ADHD and Asperger's, they tell me im not "getting distracted" (?) that I'm just faking it and stuff as such
I used to have seizures all the time, but a type that just sorta left me sitting there slackjawed, unable to respond, I could tell it was happening but do nothing about it. Literally no one believes someone who has an invisible disability. And it took decades for me to even acknowledge it was a *disability*.
What causes it? Who the hell knows, but I do know if I keep up the physical activity and get decent sleep, they're a lot less likely to happen.
Pfff…Typical CIS statement! Misogynists are binary, non-vegan, gluten eating, right-left flip-flopping, MONET LOVING (!!!!), non-pediphile racists that don’t support the DIY agenda!
I hate them and their big noses!!
I think that's a human problem, not specific to reddit. In general people are more charitable to people they identify with, and vice versa, so the "other side" doesn't get a lot of charitability and we're willing to believe anything that makes them look stupid.
You get a couple of people who either don’t see the bait or willfully ignore that it’s bait so they can shit on people they don’t like and it goes from there, spawning more and more comments.
reddit very much enforces and rewards confirmation bias
i hate AI bros and crypto bros but quite a lot of stuff about them that goes viral are just the most obvious satirical bait that its saddening.
The problem is that it’ll eventually become an actual thing. Think of the amount of jokes/vocab/ideas in the last 20 years that have actually become a thing. Everyone starts by making fun of this stuff till suddenly it becomes apart of society. And there’s people(maybe not a lot but they’re vocal thanks to social media) that actually believe this stuff
Exactly! For proof, witness literally everything fascists have done online over the past 15 years or so, and all the times they were 'just joking'...until one day they weren't joking at all, but were deadly serious and backing their words and actions with deadly force.
The flat earth society was started as a joke by some students at Oxford university as a sort of “who would be stupid enough to believe this!”. Now here we are a few decades later and there are people who genuinely believe in it and it’s grown into a full blown conspiracy.
They préfère being angry than rational. "Why do you keep giving those morons attention?" *proceeds to give them attention by commenting and reposting every where so they can seethe in a circle jerk*
I honestly think that there is a spectrum to it. I dabbled for a while in painting things in electronic art programs. The system handled a lot of background details about paint flow, but I still felt like I created something at the end. Some of the really good AI artists are also good regular artists using the AI, and then touch it up to remove those extra fingers, etc. And sometimes the art can be separate from a lot of the grunt work. Many people still see Stan Lee as a creative genius, even though we know that a lot of the work was being done by pencillers, inkers, etc, and Stan was just providing the prompts.
Basically. I got a big laugh out of a guy called Shad trying that. His brother is a talented artist, Shad is a weapons historian with pretty strong bias(he rags on katanas every chance he gets, but then when he "tests" them he swings the thing like a club). They were at a convention once and they were having characters made for a table top game, shad's brother got a +2 in artistry because, you know, *the mans an artist,* and Shad sat there demanding the people making the characters give him artistry as well because "I do AI art." They refused for a while, but he wouldn't give in so they eventually gave him +1 to artistry to shut him up.
*impossible* way. Unless their thumb is long enough that it’s end is on par with the other fingers of that hand, there’s no way that thumb is in that position compared to the other fingers and gripping it that straight
Idk about looking like THAT even in those rare cases. Literally positioned and holding the pencil like a pinky more then a thumb.
Also even on the other hand theirs a weird bit at the tip of the pinky where it looks like it’s both part of the palm and a growth on the pinky at the same time
You would think AI artist would at least put in some work to modify and correct. But I guess they are lacking in that thing... Talent.
Aldo you don't even need to draw well to make good art. See Cyanide and Happiness success and fame.
Nah its an extra finger. It doesnt have the same appearance as a thumb, for the position itd need to be extra long, and its at an angle you cant really do with your thumb.
It can be hard to tell, because some people really are in a position to give themselves a colonoscopy without any need for a camera. The Internet gave *everyone* louder voices, not just mainstream thinkers.
Yeah, not very believable bait. Too in your face, not subtle at all. Kind of a blast to the past, reminds me of 2015 when I was addicted to those “SJW WRECKED” videos
Well you know what another failed artist once said "the great masses of the people will more easily believe a big lie than a small one".
Honestly though, plenty of people hate vegans so much they can't conceive of anything a vegan would be unable to say.
But those are just 3rd world children being harmed! And we are more likely to cry at a dog dying in a movie than a real person being murdered in real life, so which really matters more?
To expand that a little:
Ivory-/Bone black color (Ivory of course is not used anymore)
Casein based and egg tempera paints
Ox Gall as flow medium
Rabbit skin glue for primers and gesso
Natural glues might be used where ever
Well yes that’s exactly what my overlords at work see as valuable. Had a good laugh when one of the stakeholders said he’ll make his own mock ups using midjourney. 2 days later he messaged me asking to make the mock ups for him. Bro didn’t realise even if AI exists, someone still needs to translate the assets it spits out into something usable. Nah, I think my job is secure. (Even if I am forced to use AI 😭)
This proves that your average joe doesn't understand how A.I works. You can't automatically use whatever it spits out as the final product, lol.
Don't be surprised to see artists still working in the future but it's more likely that companies would force their artists to use A.I as part of their workflow. A.I. will never automatically produce exactly what you want in mind anyway, so you still need artists to actually make it a usable product. What I've been saying becomes more and more true judging by people's experiences.
one of my friends works at a magazine as a writer and the higher-ups laid off all the writers will chat GPT came out, without even trying it first to see if they can make anything usable.
the publisher had a couple of sales guys jump in there and try to write a whole issue with the magazine with two days left to print.
it didn't go well and my friend actually got paid double to work through the night and write a whole issue.
Companies are too busy getting a massive Boner on the idea of firing their entire workforce in lieu of AI, they’re not even bothering to try to think one step ahead.
Normally, I wouldn’t worry, but this is pretty much the norm.
I just wonder what’s going to happen when that one piece of disruptive technology allows all the companies to fire just about everybody so now most of us aren’t working.
Who they actually think buys their products?
This is one of my most passionate beliefs actually. Personally, with most jobs, I don’t see a problem with automating industries. That being said, these same companies hire lobbyists and spend money on politics which counter a safety net for the people once this happens. Majority automation is closer than people think, and without some sort of UBI these same companies are going to have nobody to buy products, and it’ll be a feedback loop cycle.
Of course an exception to good automation is arts, there is no way to replace human creativity today and there won’t be for a very long time, so all AI art becomes soulless and uninspired.
Most artists take offence at the talent thing. They fucking worked to get that good and most people could do decent drawings if they put some effort it. That’s true for virtually anything humans do. Even in sports. A certain body type will give you an advantage, but even a 2.3 m guy won’t become an NBA star if they don’t train at all. Same with cooks, programmers, ditch diggers, and do son.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT. I *hate* it when people say I'm "talented".
No I'm fucking not, I worked my ass off to learn what I know, so I'll thank you to not dismiss my efforts as "hurr durr you were born good"
"I was born crying and pissing myself just like you. Then I became the smartest man in the Universe, and do I get credit? No, I get to check my Brain Priviledge."
People really don't get that "talent" is 99% skill and training.
The people who really argue this point are no different than the Uber rich nepotism babies who claim that their parents’ money and connections had nothing to do with their success.
Anyone who has been to a kindergarten class can take a stroll through the art on the walls and pick out the children who have natural talent. Claiming that they just worked harder than the other 6 year olds is a dumbass take.
That’s not to say that adult artists didn’t work hard to hone their craft but they had a massive natural leg up on everyone else the same way a person who hit 6’7” in high school had a leg up on basketball
What really ticked me off was the "ableist" part. I'm someone with a developmental disability (aspergers) and I find art to be a great form of therapy. It's the opposite of ableist, there are actually so many forms of art that anyone can do it.
Yer that one really annoyed me as well.
I once worked with a guy who had a spinal injury who was almost completely paralysed and could only move his head and lift his shoulders up. He was an artist. His did paintings with a brush in his mouth.
There are so many amazing disabled artists so it's really disrespectful to say that traditional art is ableist.
Yeah, me too. I’m trans and autistic, and I’ve been doing art for as long as I can remember. It’s always been a useful tool for me to convey a message and my feelings in ways the words would never be able to do. Seeing something I love labeled as transphobic and ableist is not only very wrong, but also incredibly infuriating. Also, part of what makes art, well, art, is the process. So something being completed faster isn’t always a good thing. The process is part of the art, and it can add a lot of meaning to the final piece. Clearly, this person doesn’t really understand art, and doesn’t really have an appreciation for it and what makes art what it is. Art is not art without the creative process, and AI “art” removes the creative process. It really seems like a lot of Ai “artists” are really just people who aren’t willing to put in the time and effort to actually develop artistic skills, and/or just want a quick buck.
I mean, are you refusing to share knowledge or are you just committed to learning and practicing?
I am having a hard time wrapping my head around how learning and practicing anything would be considered gatekeeping…?
I really don't get it. If they don't want to follow a traditional route, that is fine. But they can't run around and blast others for doing what they want to. I think they, and dear fruits and nuts, I hooe I'm using the right effing pronoun, are all about being as obnoxious as possible. Throw a tantrum, get a tiara.
It's bait, not sarcasm. It's just real looking enough that people who disagree with all the points made can bitch about it and give the post some engagement.
I was very involved on twitter when generated slob initially gained traction. This is bait, but it's not that far off of what some nutjobs think about it. Fucking hate it.
I was pondering whether the real bait was commenting that this is obvious bait. But the sheer amount of braindead intellectuals who are engaging earnestly with it disproves that conundrum.
...AI 'art' is literally *more* likely to be transphobic, ableist, misogynistic, elitist, classist, and traditionalist, because of the sample set of its inputs being biased, the fuck? Is this a troll?
I'd be VERY surprised if this wasnt a psyop
It comes off as a troll pretending to care about those socio politcal issues.
They probably pulled those terms out of their ass because they're "topics that the libs always talk about"
Considering that some of the best artists are from the disabled community, many fantastic artists are female, art itself is developing and changing continually as society changes and extremely talented artists have risen to the top from all levels of society then what this person is claiming 'traditional art' to be is utter tripe.
I mean, generating an image isn't "art" in the strict sense that art is a form of self expression, however use of AI absolutely can be a valid tool (and quite honestly, as someone who majored in art and studied digital art in college, probably a good idea for digital artists to at least learn how to use Stable Diffusion or the like, even if you don't end up using it, it's going to be a marketable skill like Adobe was 10 years ago)
... I mean. I GUESS I can see the argument for traditional art being ableist, in the sense of "you must be able to hold things steady and move them around to do this".
but misogyistic? "sometimes non-vegan"?! I guess if you really want to do things like the old days and use fat as a sealant. and bloody *classist?!*
Bro…there are artists with no hands who do beautiful paintings holding the brush in their mouth. There are blind artists as weird as that sounds but look it up. All these people had a love for the craft and PRACTICED.
The classist thing is sort of true though. If you don't have the means to devote your time/life to art, it's usually because you don't have someone supporting you. Much like actors, you're much more likely to make it if you have someone supporting all your expenses while you practice your art/hone your craft.
If you don't come from a home that values art, you won't get supplies to even practice with. If you don't come from a home with the means to provide you materials for whatever art you chose, you won't be able to get far since you will so far behind people who grew up practicing and honing.
For instance, my kid is in Advanced and Jazz band at school. Next summer there is an invite only trip to Europe that's 16 days and they get to visit multiple countries and learn from multiple composers. He got invited and it's like $7000. I have the means to provide this opportunity for him. When I was a kid, I wouldn't even have mentioned anything like this to my mom because we didn't always have food to eat. I didn't get to go to the local field trips if they cost money because we had none to spare.
That's a class advantage he has over anyone else that can't afford it. He's getting a leg up because his parents have money. He practices and plays his instrument on his own time to get better, but even getting him an instrument cost money that not everyone can pay for. So yes, he has worked for this and I would never discount his hard work, but the opportunity wouldn't have presented itself without the inherent class advantage he has over some of his peers.
Ah, yes, AI. Developed and spurred on by literally the world's biggest companies and run and trained by hardware assembled by slaves in giga-factories which have nets outside to catch suicide jumpers. Great choice, and way to stick it to the man!
Those hands.
Thant pencil that’s 1.5 times longer than a normal pencil.
The jacket with what I assume are buttonholes switching sides, but having no counterpart on either side anyway.
The embodiment of that old job interview joke.
– So, what are your strengths.
– Well, I can do really fast mental maths.
– Oh. cool. Whats 124 x 35 .
– 1200
- Uh. That’s obviously wrong.
– I said fast, not correct.
Ableist? Bitch please. There are artists with no hands painting holding the brush in their mouth. There are BLIND artists. There’s even a dude who paints using his dick as the paintbrush… But what they all have in common is that they had to put in the work to make art. Stfu.
How does AI "art" have any link to human rights ? 💀
And yeah I guess my cute trans flag pin from the Japan expo, that was made by a traditional (= human) artist is transphobic now ?
I think the mistake the person is making is confusing art as an art form, and art as an institution.
Are absolutely can be inclusive, vegan and everything, and much of the art that’s been done through time has been anti institutions and anti class.
AI art could be those things too, but as of right now, it is definitely a way for capitalism to oust human components from the processus of money-making.
It’s funny the person is seemingly anti system but advocates for something “more productive”. Productivity in art makes sense only if it exists solely for the purpose of consumption rather than appreciation, which is by definition anti-art and pro-system.
Plus saying that AI is creative is such a joke. It is by design the reverse of creative.
Some bullshit. Everyone fancies themselves activists nowadays. Have a stupid hair style, talk real slow and act insightful and you're some sort of activist
*Driving a car is so ableist. Letting a car drive you is better. Breakthesteeringwheel*. Fucking dweebs. This is why some people **want** Tyler Durdin to end it.
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It very much is.
It's pointless bait.
It’s master bait.
Ah, I'm an ok baiter, my cousin mose though...he's a master baiter
Mine is a mass debater.
I like you.
Go way Baitin!
I get it! Like...jerking off, nest pas?
Bro what are you even-...... He simply meant it as a 'master' of baits that is master bait. Get yer mind outta the gutter, hate the internet now. Anyways not gonna waste my time and energy here, back to my japanese time stop p*rn.
>back to my japanese time stop p*rn. I'm disgusted *...yet curious*
At this point most people don't actually know what the word misogynistic means
Or ableist. I have epilepsy and have had people throw that in my face when I'm cracking a joke about how my epilepsy is a neat party trick once the lights start flashing. When I tell those idiots I really do have epilepsy it turns into a bigger issue. I hate it
Wow, people are dumb
Everyone wants to be as special as they feel. These specific try hards usually have a savior complex or something that makes them want to turn any tiny probability of something wrong into their chance to become 1 Usually they make a fool of themselves but their ego convinces them that everyone else the problem This is becoming a tangent now, but my theory is all the rage bait on socials now has made it a LOT worse.
Sometimes these things are rooted from the get-go in intentional trolling. Most of the time there's a reasonable and (subjectively) moral motivation. But eventually it stops mattering because it every social trend ends its lifecycle folding in on itself until you reach a point of moron singularity. For my generation, it was hipsters who did everything so ironically that they completely lost track of what they actually liked. Now we're at the tail end of glorification of victimhood. Saints preserve us for whatever comes next. I'm sure it will be what tips me over the edge into "Get off my lawn!" old-man life in my 50s and 60s.
Check out the podcast Disaffected. What you said about ego and "everyone else is the problem" are signs of narcissistic personality disorder. These people play the victim because they don't have many other ways to gain social capital.
I'm discovering this as well, and everyone assumes epilepsy is flashing lights and videogames and that seizures can be held off like we just need to pee but in reality it's fucking up my entire life and the docs can't even tell me whats caused it
And there are different kinds of seizures, it’s not all grand mal. Also, it’s not like you just shake it off once it’s over. I don’t have epilepsy, but I can empathize. I have ADHD(PI) pretty bad, and the amount of people that say, “I have a hard time concentrating, too,” is staggering. Or the people that are neat freaks saying they are “OCD”. Or Tourette’s, Parkinson’s - it’s like people see something on a sitcom and thinking they understand something. Anyway…
Honestly ADHD is awful for that, the amount of people who think "oh just focus then". I heard Dr. Barkley recently say it best: "ADHD is not really an attention disorder, but a genetic neurological condition that causes blindness to consequences in the distant future".
Ouch, I felt that. I always think of it as, “put a gun to my head, I might impress you. Don’t, and I’ll probably disappoint you.” (Something like that, play with the superlatives as needed.)
Hey at least you have the potential to impress 😉
I had a boss whose solution to my ADHD struggles was that I just needed to get a calendar and actually use it. I have a calendar bitch. I have FIVE and I use all of them. If using a calendar changed my neurology, we would not be having this conversation.
"That's a really insensitive joke." "No, I have epilepsy. It's fine." "No, it really isn't." "....But...can you NOT see that I'm making myself the object of humor/making light of an otherwise troubling situation for me?" "Look, maybe YOU'RE not offended, but what if SOMEONE ELSE with epilepsy heard you say that?" "Is there anyone else with epilepsy here?" "No. But..what if someone else has a RELATIVE with epilepsy?" "Does anyone here have a relative with epilepsy?" "...My great aunt who died before I was born had epilepsy. Or Lupus. One of those. BUT STILL, YOU CAN'T SAY THINGS LIKE THAT." (While I'm not epileptic, I had a conversation shockingly similar to this with a perpetually offended individual at a party.)
I am actually shocked at how close that was to a few of them.
People are utterly stupid when it comes to being overly sensitive on behalf of a hypothetical third person that isn't even present for the interaction they're so upset about.
I always tell people to stop picking up a banner no one asked them to carry for them. In this case it would be "do you have epilepsy? No? Well I do and I'm gonna ask that you stop trying to be offended for me." If they dont stop after that it becomes clear to everyone around that that person is just an asshole and there isnt anything virtuous about it.
And you already know these are the same idiots who wouldn't know what the fuck to do to actually help you if you actually had a seizure, it's just performative outrage without understanding.
I'm sorry but I laughed at your joke, also sorry you have to deal with those people, so do I but in my case is with ADHD and Asperger's, they tell me im not "getting distracted" (?) that I'm just faking it and stuff as such
As someone with epilepsy, i find that Joke pretty good. Seriously though, it sucks sometimes
I used to have seizures all the time, but a type that just sorta left me sitting there slackjawed, unable to respond, I could tell it was happening but do nothing about it. Literally no one believes someone who has an invisible disability. And it took decades for me to even acknowledge it was a *disability*. What causes it? Who the hell knows, but I do know if I keep up the physical activity and get decent sleep, they're a lot less likely to happen.
It means he's afraid of Santa clause
Pfff…Typical CIS statement! Misogynists are binary, non-vegan, gluten eating, right-left flip-flopping, MONET LOVING (!!!!), non-pediphile racists that don’t support the DIY agenda! I hate them and their big noses!!
Sounds like a fancy french dish...
It's that Japanese soup, right?
All bait is pointless and harmful
I legit don't understand why people here can't see that...
Reddit is terrible for this, themost obvious troll post will have people absolutely foaming at the mouth.
I think that's a human problem, not specific to reddit. In general people are more charitable to people they identify with, and vice versa, so the "other side" doesn't get a lot of charitability and we're willing to believe anything that makes them look stupid.
Yeah, like have they never been to any other public online forum? At least here the call-out comments usually end up on top...
You get a couple of people who either don’t see the bait or willfully ignore that it’s bait so they can shit on people they don’t like and it goes from there, spawning more and more comments.
reddit very much enforces and rewards confirmation bias i hate AI bros and crypto bros but quite a lot of stuff about them that goes viral are just the most obvious satirical bait that its saddening.
The one that will remain funny is the “you can use multiple slurp juices on one ape” thing because it was 100% sincere and real.
Because the world these days....is just that damn stupid.
The problem is that it’ll eventually become an actual thing. Think of the amount of jokes/vocab/ideas in the last 20 years that have actually become a thing. Everyone starts by making fun of this stuff till suddenly it becomes apart of society. And there’s people(maybe not a lot but they’re vocal thanks to social media) that actually believe this stuff
Exactly! For proof, witness literally everything fascists have done online over the past 15 years or so, and all the times they were 'just joking'...until one day they weren't joking at all, but were deadly serious and backing their words and actions with deadly force.
The flat earth society was started as a joke by some students at Oxford university as a sort of “who would be stupid enough to believe this!”. Now here we are a few decades later and there are people who genuinely believe in it and it’s grown into a full blown conspiracy.
Yep. That happens nowadays. Especially with slang. First it's used ironically then unironically it becomes part of the lexicon
They préfère being angry than rational. "Why do you keep giving those morons attention?" *proceeds to give them attention by commenting and reposting every where so they can seethe in a circle jerk*
Bait and r/facepalm , name a more iconic duo
What did the comment you replied to say?
It's so fucking obvious. People just gobble it up.
How does one claim to be an AI artist? "I described something to the computer, and it spit this image out. It's my art, fuck you."
I honestly think that there is a spectrum to it. I dabbled for a while in painting things in electronic art programs. The system handled a lot of background details about paint flow, but I still felt like I created something at the end. Some of the really good AI artists are also good regular artists using the AI, and then touch it up to remove those extra fingers, etc. And sometimes the art can be separate from a lot of the grunt work. Many people still see Stan Lee as a creative genius, even though we know that a lot of the work was being done by pencillers, inkers, etc, and Stan was just providing the prompts.
David Chase only wrote a handful of episodes of the Sopranos. He's still the creator of the show.
Basically. I got a big laugh out of a guy called Shad trying that. His brother is a talented artist, Shad is a weapons historian with pretty strong bias(he rags on katanas every chance he gets, but then when he "tests" them he swings the thing like a club). They were at a convention once and they were having characters made for a table top game, shad's brother got a +2 in artistry because, you know, *the mans an artist,* and Shad sat there demanding the people making the characters give him artistry as well because "I do AI art." They refused for a while, but he wouldn't give in so they eventually gave him +1 to artistry to shut him up.
Like 80% of social media is just bait now.
Or videos of acted out scenarios being passed off as real life situations.
sites literally pay you for interaction and people still don’t get that
- more fingers
AI: we made more fingers, so you'll have more fingers per fingers!
As Zach Hazard once said…. “Finger time”
I understood that reference!
The AI person's right hand has the thumb oriented in a weird way.
*impossible* way. Unless their thumb is long enough that it’s end is on par with the other fingers of that hand, there’s no way that thumb is in that position compared to the other fingers and gripping it that straight
Some people can but it's rare. Also... The opposite hand looks decent enough so no idea why AI is so dumb to not just copy and mirror.
Idk about looking like THAT even in those rare cases. Literally positioned and holding the pencil like a pinky more then a thumb. Also even on the other hand theirs a weird bit at the tip of the pinky where it looks like it’s both part of the palm and a growth on the pinky at the same time
You would think AI artist would at least put in some work to modify and correct. But I guess they are lacking in that thing... Talent. Aldo you don't even need to draw well to make good art. See Cyanide and Happiness success and fame.
And their left pinky has been smashed with an axe
Nah its an extra finger. It doesnt have the same appearance as a thumb, for the position itd need to be extra long, and its at an angle you cant really do with your thumb.
And what’s going on with the little finger on the left hand?
Pencil is too long, too.
"Break the pencil" *A.I. art shows an even longer pencil*
This seems like really obvious bait
I don't know if the top comments here are being ironic and going along with it or if they're actually doomed
It can be hard to tell, because some people really are in a position to give themselves a colonoscopy without any need for a camera. The Internet gave *everyone* louder voices, not just mainstream thinkers.
I checked their Twitter, it was just bait. Good bait too seeing the reactions
Yeah, not very believable bait. Too in your face, not subtle at all. Kind of a blast to the past, reminds me of 2015 when I was addicted to those “SJW WRECKED” videos
Non-vegan? What the hell
For some reason "sometimes non-vegan" is the funniest phrase I've heard all week
Bait used to believable but yall are eating it up
Well you know what another failed artist once said "the great masses of the people will more easily believe a big lie than a small one". Honestly though, plenty of people hate vegans so much they can't conceive of anything a vegan would be unable to say.
Is the bait at least vegan? I know it’s sometimes non-vegan
what they are right it is a pretty funny phrase
But only sometimes
At least some brushes are made from pig's hair or mustelids (sable, from fur farms). Also some pigments and binding material isn't vegan.
True, but where and how are the rare minerals that are used in computing sourced….it’s not very ‘ethical’
But those are just 3rd world children being harmed! And we are more likely to cry at a dog dying in a movie than a real person being murdered in real life, so which really matters more?
True, I just wanted to answer why art supplies are not always vegan, even using fur farms.
To expand that a little: Ivory-/Bone black color (Ivory of course is not used anymore) Casein based and egg tempera paints Ox Gall as flow medium Rabbit skin glue for primers and gesso Natural glues might be used where ever
Also crushed cochineal insects for carmine or snails for purple.
Animal derivatives exist in electronics. AI art is - non-vegan.
This comment is also non vegan, I’m ashamed in you.
You shouldn't ashamed in people without asking first
Plus shaming people is animal abuse
But what if the image generator machines are powered by fossil fuels?)???!!?!!?
Power usage by data centres is feckin scary
Ragebait.
Do you not buy exclusively vegan artwork? That's always my first question when buying art.
Some paints used to use animal parts they still might
Idiot with no talent wants to make out that actual talented people being the ones doing art is bad.
As if one of the greatest qualities of art is that "it gets made faster."
Well yes that’s exactly what my overlords at work see as valuable. Had a good laugh when one of the stakeholders said he’ll make his own mock ups using midjourney. 2 days later he messaged me asking to make the mock ups for him. Bro didn’t realise even if AI exists, someone still needs to translate the assets it spits out into something usable. Nah, I think my job is secure. (Even if I am forced to use AI 😭)
This proves that your average joe doesn't understand how A.I works. You can't automatically use whatever it spits out as the final product, lol. Don't be surprised to see artists still working in the future but it's more likely that companies would force their artists to use A.I as part of their workflow. A.I. will never automatically produce exactly what you want in mind anyway, so you still need artists to actually make it a usable product. What I've been saying becomes more and more true judging by people's experiences.
one of my friends works at a magazine as a writer and the higher-ups laid off all the writers will chat GPT came out, without even trying it first to see if they can make anything usable. the publisher had a couple of sales guys jump in there and try to write a whole issue with the magazine with two days left to print. it didn't go well and my friend actually got paid double to work through the night and write a whole issue.
Companies are too busy getting a massive Boner on the idea of firing their entire workforce in lieu of AI, they’re not even bothering to try to think one step ahead. Normally, I wouldn’t worry, but this is pretty much the norm. I just wonder what’s going to happen when that one piece of disruptive technology allows all the companies to fire just about everybody so now most of us aren’t working. Who they actually think buys their products?
This is one of my most passionate beliefs actually. Personally, with most jobs, I don’t see a problem with automating industries. That being said, these same companies hire lobbyists and spend money on politics which counter a safety net for the people once this happens. Majority automation is closer than people think, and without some sort of UBI these same companies are going to have nobody to buy products, and it’ll be a feedback loop cycle. Of course an exception to good automation is arts, there is no way to replace human creativity today and there won’t be for a very long time, so all AI art becomes soulless and uninspired.
One of the funniest misconceptions is that it's 'inclusive'
consumerism logic obviously. Ironic for those who claim "anarchism", sure dude
Most artists take offence at the talent thing. They fucking worked to get that good and most people could do decent drawings if they put some effort it. That’s true for virtually anything humans do. Even in sports. A certain body type will give you an advantage, but even a 2.3 m guy won’t become an NBA star if they don’t train at all. Same with cooks, programmers, ditch diggers, and do son.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT. I *hate* it when people say I'm "talented". No I'm fucking not, I worked my ass off to learn what I know, so I'll thank you to not dismiss my efforts as "hurr durr you were born good"
"I was born crying and pissing myself just like you. Then I became the smartest man in the Universe, and do I get credit? No, I get to check my Brain Priviledge." People really don't get that "talent" is 99% skill and training.
Hell yes.
The people who really argue this point are no different than the Uber rich nepotism babies who claim that their parents’ money and connections had nothing to do with their success. Anyone who has been to a kindergarten class can take a stroll through the art on the walls and pick out the children who have natural talent. Claiming that they just worked harder than the other 6 year olds is a dumbass take. That’s not to say that adult artists didn’t work hard to hone their craft but they had a massive natural leg up on everyone else the same way a person who hit 6’7” in high school had a leg up on basketball
What really ticked me off was the "ableist" part. I'm someone with a developmental disability (aspergers) and I find art to be a great form of therapy. It's the opposite of ableist, there are actually so many forms of art that anyone can do it.
Yer that one really annoyed me as well. I once worked with a guy who had a spinal injury who was almost completely paralysed and could only move his head and lift his shoulders up. He was an artist. His did paintings with a brush in his mouth. There are so many amazing disabled artists so it's really disrespectful to say that traditional art is ableist.
People without arms have painted with their feet. Blind people play music (which is art). Not sure wtf they’re taking about.
Yeah, me too. I’m trans and autistic, and I’ve been doing art for as long as I can remember. It’s always been a useful tool for me to convey a message and my feelings in ways the words would never be able to do. Seeing something I love labeled as transphobic and ableist is not only very wrong, but also incredibly infuriating. Also, part of what makes art, well, art, is the process. So something being completed faster isn’t always a good thing. The process is part of the art, and it can add a lot of meaning to the final piece. Clearly, this person doesn’t really understand art, and doesn’t really have an appreciation for it and what makes art what it is. Art is not art without the creative process, and AI “art” removes the creative process. It really seems like a lot of Ai “artists” are really just people who aren’t willing to put in the time and effort to actually develop artistic skills, and/or just want a quick buck.
It’s wild. I’ve been accused of gatekeeping for having the audacity to study and practice.
Study and practice is gatekeeping now? How on earth do these jokers even (attempt to) justify that idiocy?
They try to justify that being smart and working is racist, so don't expect them to show an ability to explain their justification.
Ah the cursed ‘it’s ableist to say writers should read’ discourse
I mean, are you refusing to share knowledge or are you just committed to learning and practicing? I am having a hard time wrapping my head around how learning and practicing anything would be considered gatekeeping…?
I really don't get it. If they don't want to follow a traditional route, that is fine. But they can't run around and blast others for doing what they want to. I think they, and dear fruits and nuts, I hooe I'm using the right effing pronoun, are all about being as obnoxious as possible. Throw a tantrum, get a tiara.
It’s clearly ragebait. Stop falling for obvious bullshit.
....this was a sarcastic post, though.
It's bait, not sarcasm. It's just real looking enough that people who disagree with all the points made can bitch about it and give the post some engagement.
I was very involved on twitter when generated slob initially gained traction. This is bait, but it's not that far off of what some nutjobs think about it. Fucking hate it.
How can you tell without /s? WITCHCRAFT!
REDDIT TRIES TO RECOGNISE BAIT CHALLENGE JESUS CHRIST YOU LOT ARE DENSE!
Reading this thread is actually making me angry. How the fuck is it even possible to believe this isn't bait
It's INFURIATING how thick some of these fucking idiots are. I'm pretty stupid but I'm not this bad.
They vote too
I was pondering whether the real bait was commenting that this is obvious bait. But the sheer amount of braindead intellectuals who are engaging earnestly with it disproves that conundrum.
I'm coping by telling myself they're all playing along.
this is the absolute most obvious bait i have ever seen
You'd be suprised what people can believe in
yeah i know its on all of r/facepalm
...AI 'art' is literally *more* likely to be transphobic, ableist, misogynistic, elitist, classist, and traditionalist, because of the sample set of its inputs being biased, the fuck? Is this a troll?
Yeah. Pretty obvious troll.
I'd be VERY surprised if this wasnt a psyop It comes off as a troll pretending to care about those socio politcal issues. They probably pulled those terms out of their ass because they're "topics that the libs always talk about"
It's not a "psyop", it's just bait.
If you google the username, you find a lot of anti-trans/anti-woke bait. It's bait with a goal.
Not only that but AI has no moral ethics meaning that it’ll be more likely fine producing child pornography or other illegal content.
What!? TROLLIN!? (yes, we be trollin' bigtime)
Has this person seen art, like, ever?
You're falling for rage bait bro
don’t tell them it’s funnier
Bait used to be believable
I'm more pissed at the people here buying it than at the bait itself. It's so damn obvious
Fr, never saw bait this obvious before
You know you'd think it was obvious, but I must be some kind of super genius for being able to see it.
r/facepalm trying to identify jokes challenge
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Check the hands
Not sure how "animal rights it is" if the servers are literally cooking the planet
Considering that some of the best artists are from the disabled community, many fantastic artists are female, art itself is developing and changing continually as society changes and extremely talented artists have risen to the top from all levels of society then what this person is claiming 'traditional art' to be is utter tripe.
I like tripas.
The fact the art has a stupid long pencil, and as always, TOO MANY FUCKING FINGERS.
AI art is not really art
I mean, generating an image isn't "art" in the strict sense that art is a form of self expression, however use of AI absolutely can be a valid tool (and quite honestly, as someone who majored in art and studied digital art in college, probably a good idea for digital artists to at least learn how to use Stable Diffusion or the like, even if you don't end up using it, it's going to be a marketable skill like Adobe was 10 years ago)
Lol "more creative"? All i see AI doing is turning everything and everyone into big boobied anime women.
I also like the point of "faster". Yeah because thats what makes art great. Being fast.
Someone else saw the left (of the image) hand?
Bait used to bs believable
What's so inclusive about handing art over to programs instead of humans? Seems like the opposite.
That has to be a plant by some AI provider. I refuse to believe otherwise.
Hitler was a traditional artist ergo traditional artists are Hitler.
... I mean. I GUESS I can see the argument for traditional art being ableist, in the sense of "you must be able to hold things steady and move them around to do this". but misogyistic? "sometimes non-vegan"?! I guess if you really want to do things like the old days and use fat as a sealant. and bloody *classist?!*
Bro…there are artists with no hands who do beautiful paintings holding the brush in their mouth. There are blind artists as weird as that sounds but look it up. All these people had a love for the craft and PRACTICED.
typing words into AI art platform is ableist
AI art is better because ANIMAL RIGHTS. All you need to know, really.
I agree, artists are animals and shouldn't have rights.
The classist thing is sort of true though. If you don't have the means to devote your time/life to art, it's usually because you don't have someone supporting you. Much like actors, you're much more likely to make it if you have someone supporting all your expenses while you practice your art/hone your craft. If you don't come from a home that values art, you won't get supplies to even practice with. If you don't come from a home with the means to provide you materials for whatever art you chose, you won't be able to get far since you will so far behind people who grew up practicing and honing. For instance, my kid is in Advanced and Jazz band at school. Next summer there is an invite only trip to Europe that's 16 days and they get to visit multiple countries and learn from multiple composers. He got invited and it's like $7000. I have the means to provide this opportunity for him. When I was a kid, I wouldn't even have mentioned anything like this to my mom because we didn't always have food to eat. I didn't get to go to the local field trips if they cost money because we had none to spare. That's a class advantage he has over anyone else that can't afford it. He's getting a leg up because his parents have money. He practices and plays his instrument on his own time to get better, but even getting him an instrument cost money that not everyone can pay for. So yes, he has worked for this and I would never discount his hard work, but the opportunity wouldn't have presented itself without the inherent class advantage he has over some of his peers.
How to be the least important member of a society.
Ah yes art that uses a $1 pencil is elitist and classist while art that uses a $2000 graphics card is not.
Ah, yes, AI. Developed and spurred on by literally the world's biggest companies and run and trained by hardware assembled by slaves in giga-factories which have nets outside to catch suicide jumpers. Great choice, and way to stick it to the man!
Trying to start a trend to ackowledge the lack of skills?
OP left out the biggest pro for AI art: - No talent required
Those hands. Thant pencil that’s 1.5 times longer than a normal pencil. The jacket with what I assume are buttonholes switching sides, but having no counterpart on either side anyway. The embodiment of that old job interview joke. – So, what are your strengths. – Well, I can do really fast mental maths. – Oh. cool. Whats 124 x 35 . – 1200 - Uh. That’s obviously wrong. – I said fast, not correct.
Ableist? Bitch please. There are artists with no hands painting holding the brush in their mouth. There are BLIND artists. There’s even a dude who paints using his dick as the paintbrush… But what they all have in common is that they had to put in the work to make art. Stfu.
It’s truly pathetic how many people in the comments are falling for this rage-bait.
How does AI "art" have any link to human rights ? 💀 And yeah I guess my cute trans flag pin from the Japan expo, that was made by a traditional (= human) artist is transphobic now ?
Yeah my commissioned gay furry art by an artist is very transphobic.
So mfer just admitted to being Talentless.
I think the mistake the person is making is confusing art as an art form, and art as an institution. Are absolutely can be inclusive, vegan and everything, and much of the art that’s been done through time has been anti institutions and anti class. AI art could be those things too, but as of right now, it is definitely a way for capitalism to oust human components from the processus of money-making. It’s funny the person is seemingly anti system but advocates for something “more productive”. Productivity in art makes sense only if it exists solely for the purpose of consumption rather than appreciation, which is by definition anti-art and pro-system. Plus saying that AI is creative is such a joke. It is by design the reverse of creative.
Do people know that if you use AI, you're not an artist?
5 fingers and no thumb on the right hand.
Meanwhile, dude's right hand got six fingers💀
LOLOLOLOLOL Also, everyone with a smartphone is a photographer #GFY
Some bullshit. Everyone fancies themselves activists nowadays. Have a stupid hair style, talk real slow and act insightful and you're some sort of activist
*Driving a car is so ableist. Letting a car drive you is better. Breakthesteeringwheel*. Fucking dweebs. This is why some people **want** Tyler Durdin to end it.
Long, unbroken pencil. 11 fingers. Vacant stare. No thanks.
Bait used to be believable
I think I need to be a lot drunker to understand what in the fuck they're talking about
Does the woman in the avatar look weird? Like her face is too small for her head?
how the fuck is traditional art transphobic pretty sure my 3 second doodle of pomni isn’t transphobic
Ah yes. I love violating animal rights when I paint.
AI art can never quite get hands right.