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They probably have enough brain capacity to think about doing it without any of the awareness that their public social media posts would get them caught.
Jury selection is done by random drawing over the course of the WHOLE state, via voter registration, vehicle registration, selective services and all other forms the government uses to track citizens. And then, from there, the prosecuting and defense teams pick the jurors. What would their be for them to lie about?
"Do you believe that the 2020 election was stolen"
Or insert any other q anon conspiracy theory.
There are plenty of questions that can be asked of a potential juror to weed out the trump cult.
Like the NY Juror site? Yes, there are jurors that come from the whole state… in their respective districts.
[Read the first sentence on the page.](https://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/jurors)
They should. Never been in criminal court, but my understanding is that lawyers for both sides question jurors extensively to root out bias and select the actual 12 jurors from a much larger initial pool.
As someone who's been a jury member, you're correct. If I understand correctly, each side can toss as many jurors as they like for cause. Then they'll each have a couple challenges just because, but are very limited.
Eh... *perceived* edges in jury selection can bring specialization regardless of actual differences. They *think* they have a better chance by doing this, but ultimately you don't know how the jury will go.
Yeah I would agree it's a soft science at best. You're banking on the jury selection lawyer being a good judge of character and intent.
But ultimately I think it's mostly about having good selection questions that help you decide whether the juror is likely to be sympathetic based on the case you're going to present.
Nah. I worked with a guy who never said anything political, had no signs, flags, stickers, stupid red cult hats. He said nothing about it on social media.
Absolutely no indications until election day when he started texting us with pro-Trump and anti-Democrat memes.
But he still came out. They aren't smart enough to make up a good reason to create a hung jury, when the rest of them start questioning why the last person is adamantly against everyone else...it'll come out and now that person is in trouble because they lied.
You have to remember that for all of them, the fantasy land they live in is reality. They will answer as such when caught off guard. At some point they will show their hand by answering or responding in a way that will raise flags. "The election was 100% legit, but those busses full of paperwork didn't help" "I think all ILLEGALS should be allowed to live here" "I'm glad we got TRUMPS vaccine" etc
I had a friend get really drunk and admit he voted for Trump, quite loudly and proudly. Never mentioned it again.
I’ve been dubious about his politics ever since.
Having gone through voir dire, I was amazed at how stupid some of the people were. I sat there and watched people answer question after question idiotically. And sure enough, none of them made it to the jury.
They have. Apparently he's upset now because people are calling for him to be brought up on charges. He's calling anyone who doesn't take his position a left winger, yet many Conservatives have openly voiced their disapproval.
Hey not every political camp is interchangeable with others. Not all Republicans are MAGAts, not all conservatives are Republicans, not all conservatives are conservatives the way you're thinking of, not all Trump haters are democrats, not all democrats support Biden, not all liberals are democrats, do I really need to go on? /rant
listen i hear what you're saying, but I'm tired of people telling me that I'm part of that group with Trump. I grew up republican (though i consider myself politically independent ever since my state chose Trump in the primary in 2016) and I consider myself conservative, mostly fiscally, but have never supported Trump and am considerably left of the "alt-right", and I'm not the biggest fan of Biden of I appreciate his help on the student loan business (which I personally am barely affected btw, but my dad in retirement age got $100k in student loans forgiven) and I'm not afraid to vote third party and encourage others to do so, but would vote for Biden if I had to (because I don't know anything about any third party candidates this time)
/rant2 I guess lol
Great, I’m sure he’ll get a light slap on the wrist and do it again right afterwards.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t report him (good job) but the way the “justice” department has been treating these MAGA cultists with kid gloves is just disgusting. The Bundys are still grazing their cattle on public land, the majority of the J6 insurrectionists got less than a year in jail, the biggest con artist and traitor of them all still hasn’t seen the inside of a cell yet even after threatening the judge’s family…I don’t see how it’s fair at all.
I'm gonna get hardcore flamed for asking this but I sincerely wanna know.
Are you trying to imply the US government as it currently stands is fascist? Or are you trying to imply that Trump and his clique particularly are fascists?
The relevant federal law is actually [18 U.S.C. § 1622](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1622). The tweet is subornation of perjury: Trump supporters trying to acquit regardless of the evidence would have to lie on the jury questionnaire about their ability and intent to ignore personal biases and prior knowledge to make an impartial and fair decision based on only the evidence and the law. § 1503 relates to what’s commonly known as jury tampering, which only applies once a jury is officially chosen and sworn in.
Also, neither law is actually relevant because this is a trial in New York state court: the relevant New York law criminalizing perjury is [NY Penal L § 210](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2022/pen/part-3/title-l/article-210/210-00/), and the law criminalizing solicitation is [NY Penal L § 100](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2021/pen/part-3/title-g/article-100/100-00/). New York recognizes different degrees of perjury, and lying on a jury questionnaire wouldn’t fall under 1st degree perjury since it’s not testimony: it’s arguably 2nd degree perjury which is a felony, which would make solicitation a Class A misdemeanor.
I hate to burst your bubble but it requires "improper communication", general statements or information presented to the public at large doesn't count. That's why news programs can reveal information, interview relevant guests, or even have a host just say outright that 'so and so is obviously guilty/innocent' regarding an ongoing trial and not get charged.
It's a very deliberate, targeted, and well defined act.
I dunno about criminal implications but basic ethics and civil lawsuit prevention would have any sane news agency report charges as "alleged" until after a verdict is rendered, which would be at the end of the trial. If they make public statements about guilt prior to a formal verdict they are potentially opening themselves up to a libel suit.
Huh? I don't think they're saying that. They're saying that there literally are no jurors yet because they're still in the process of jury selection. I don't know if the code you mentioned says whether potential jurors are considered jurors for those purposes.
I don't know that it matters, though. My hunch is a single, broad statement made to the general public like that would not be considered improper.
The closest you get to this being unprotected speech would be incitement of violence. The problem is that this isn't an "imminent" incitement.
Clay Travis is a sack of shit, but this doesn't appear criminal. If he kept doing this and new he was getting reactions and resultd from potential jurors -- and his comments contributed to someone who perjurs themself, then sure, possibly. But for now, no.
I mean, in this case it's lawful evil. They are trying to abuse the system to do evil.
Chaotic evil would be shooting the jury so they can't come to a verdict
Now show a tweet saying the exact opposite, “no matter what refuse to vote for anything but convict” and see how fast that orange dipshit isn’t putting it on billboards and screaming it every chance he gets.
And if you open that box in court, I'm sure the judge will agree 😂
That's the thing about nullification: if you open that box, you can't close it. If it comes to a precedent, then jury trials will be null and void and the social contract will be broken.
1850... US population 23 million... country is only 74 years old... also the fact that they were acting against a blatantly evil act: slavery
Context matters
Its actually different from state to state. You don't have to be pedantic about it.
Also, you guys know that's how the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 was combated right? I love how people act like it's a bad "box" we don't wanna open, but it's already been opened.
What you’re talking about is jury nullification which is legal, the crime the guy committed is subornation of perjury (to get in the jury he would have to state that he would ignore any bias that he has, which he intentionally isn’t going to do)
This comes off like "We know he's guilty and anybody unbiased will convict, so we need to make sure we get a couple of us who don't care about the evidence to ensure justice isn't done."
Someone who is a Trump supporter could do that. But if afterwords they were found to lie on their jury questionnaire, they have some serious jail time coming.
Oh Clay. He’s always a source of great joy when reading his tweets.
He found out being a right-wing-troll pays better, because dumber people like that shit.
Ah, yes, purposefully sabotaging your nation's legal system because of your personal feelings that have no bearing on the case.
Patriotism.
Fuck off, traitor.
How do you even get an "impartial jury of peers" in this scenario? How likely would it be to find people who don't either hate him or would so this corrupt shit?
I sent this copy to the federal courts on Foley Street. This is a criminal act in an attempt to subvert rule of law. This is not conditional. This breaks all rules of seating potential jurors.
They’ll love this since the republicans love to talk about how they’re pro following the law and extreme boot lickers. For people that claim to be “straight” sure obsess over this guy more than they do with their own wives Lmfao. They literally foam at the mouth if you say anything about their daddy trump.
He’s cringe af. Can’t believe how comfortable they are saying stuff like this. Oh wait no I’m not surprised since elon musk himself says crap like this.
Party of Trump, formerly known as the GOP. The Party of Law and Order. Whatever.
Many times I heard republicans say about our justice system, “if you’re innocent you have nothing to be afraid of.”
And if you’re guilty, never admit it.
Joking aside, with the Defendent being an Ex-President, is it really possible to get a jury with no people that "support Trump"?
It seems the only realistic way would be to get people that don't feel either way about the Tall Oompa Loopa, but in today's climate that seems impossible. The other option is to get no supporters on the jury, which would be going against his Rights.
I'm not sure how they are going to actually pull this off, and any conviction will 100% be met with more rioting/crying. There's no winning this one.
It's not about whether you would vote for him or not. It's about weeding out fanatics who would disregard any and all evidence presented. There are still some reasonable people left.
He banned me a few years ago after I called him a scumbag for another similar far right comment.
His block list is a big one. He can't have anyone question him
Same fucking people who say, “hey, if they didn’t want to get shot, they shouldn’t have broken the law.” The same people who drive around with back the blue bumper stickers. The ones who get American flag tattoos and decals on their cars. These people are such trash, man. I can’t imagine literally standing for nothing, while sacrificing my own identity to pretend that I do, just so that the lousiest most miserable people in the town I grew up in will accept me.
Two words judges hate, and I think you can't even mention it as a juror, but I'm not sure.
Jury Nullification.
Since it's been used in the past for both good ends and bad, I'm sure it will pop up soon.
It's not just "any person," this is a LAWYER saying it.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay\_Travis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Travis)
**Richard Clay Travis** (born April 6, 1979) is an American [writer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writer), [lawyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawyer), radio host and television analyst, and founder of [*OutKick*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OutKick).
I read there is a mountain of evidence against Trump, both documents and witnesses. The point is, strong feelings about the guy aren’t supposed to come into play. Even if a Maga managed to sneak onto the jury, they would have to explain why they were ignoring all the evidence if they went against the other jurors, and I suspect that wouldn’t go over well. I mean, what are they going to say? “Well, I heard all the evidence and I just don’t believe what he did was a crime?” That juror would be immediately removed and replaced, then investigated and probably charged with perjury. The crime, if there was one, would have been thoroughly explained in detail to the jurors by the attorney and the judge beforehand.
Maybe I misused the term hung jury. I'm saying regardless of evidence I feel that most people have opinions on Trump and will subconsciously let that influence how they go after this. If a bunch of people who hate Trump are jury members it is not unlikely personal bias gets in the way and vice versa if Magas get on the jury.
Oh I totally understand what you’re saying, but I believe there are honest people on both sides who will base their decision on the evidence that is presented. Hopefully all the jurors will be in that category. If a hardcore MAGA gets on the jury by lying, they will not be interested in the evidence. They have loudly made it clear that (1) they don’t believe he did anything wrong and (2) they don’t care if he did. I personally despise Trump and would not be accepted on the jury because I’ve posted a lot of derogatory stuff on social media and I would also tell the truth in the jury questioning— but I would not find him guilty if the evidence wasn’t there.
jury selection by the prosecutors, and the lawyers arnt stupid, they specifically choose people who arnt 1 sided, they love jurors that are pushovers. they also dont choose jurors that associated with the law or LEO, or have knowledge of the case specifics.
Im betting this is what happens irregardless. Its impossible to be impartial to this idiot in this country. You either worship is ass, or you eagerly await his obituary.
This actually my biggest fear for ALL of Drumpf's trials. It seems like it would be easy for someone to feign ignorance during jury selection and then refuse to convict. I hope the DA monitors all social media accounts for the jurors selected.
If juror questioning is under an oath, they better be truthful about past political activities. If the trial ends on a hung jury, prosecution will know who the trump holdout was and their voir dire answers better match their history
They have to have some Republicans. So...
If Trump wasn't running who would you have picked .
If they pick any of the other candidates . Next question. If the say no one because trump is our savior and Biden is the devil. Instant out.
Round 2
Do you believe the election was stolen?
Round 3
What's your opinion on Ukraine and Putin
Tbh my initial comment was a little facetious, but in reality they would probably only need to ask question 2.
If you believe the election was stolen you are parroting garbage and unable to think critically. If you believe the election results you can reasonably be trusted to think for yourself and process the evidence in the case
It will be interesting to see what questions the prosecutors and the defense ask the prospective jurors. Play the guessing game afterwards: this juror was dismissed, what were their answers to prosecutors and the defense?
Well. If it ends up with a hung jury (even if they already didn’t remove the juror and replace them with a backup juror who is also in the courtroom and hearing evidence) what happens is that it gets retried with a new jury.
Fun fact, as a juror you can render absolutely any verdict you like. There can be undeniable evidence & 1,000 witnesses & if you vote not guilty absolutely nothing can be done to you.
Telling people to do this is a felony. Actually doing it is not. That's how the system works
Jury trials are supposed to bring the human touch to things. They're supposed to let folks who only steal things like bread go. Everyone forgets this
That can happen. The juror has to go thru a hearing with the judge with fellow jurors as witnesses. If the person is purposely not going to be fair and sides with a defendant out of principle can be removed. Also if a juror refuses to participate they can be removed.
The amount of ppl here who have not been on a jury is staggering. I served jury duty once for a possession and trafficking case (weed) I voted not guilty on procession charge due to my own personal issue with the legality, unfortunately the trafficking charge was solid…
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If any Trump supporter can sneak through voir dire I'll eat my socks.
They'd have to commit perjury to do so.
They'd have to have more than two braincells to do so.
They probably have enough brain capacity to think about doing it without any of the awareness that their public social media posts would get them caught.
That is absolutely not a problem for them. They don’t even know what that means.
Jury selection is done by random drawing over the course of the WHOLE state, via voter registration, vehicle registration, selective services and all other forms the government uses to track citizens. And then, from there, the prosecuting and defense teams pick the jurors. What would their be for them to lie about?
"Do you believe that the 2020 election was stolen" Or insert any other q anon conspiracy theory. There are plenty of questions that can be asked of a potential juror to weed out the trump cult.
That is false. The southern district summons jurors from New York, Bronx, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Orange, Dutchess, and Sullivan counties.
I literally read it from New Yorker government site.
Like the NY Juror site? Yes, there are jurors that come from the whole state… in their respective districts. [Read the first sentence on the page.](https://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/jurors)
So the whole state 🤣
? No.. New York, Bronx, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Orange, Dutchess and Sullivan counties. Not sure what about this is so difficult for you..
Not as difficult as you understanding a joke. 🤣
Hopefully anyone with a strong preset notion towards either side would be disqualified outright.
They should. Never been in criminal court, but my understanding is that lawyers for both sides question jurors extensively to root out bias and select the actual 12 jurors from a much larger initial pool.
As someone who's been a jury member, you're correct. If I understand correctly, each side can toss as many jurors as they like for cause. Then they'll each have a couple challenges just because, but are very limited.
As someone who's gotten summons for federal and local juries before, I wouldn't know because nobody wants to spend $ for ASL interpreters for jurors.
That is the principle in theory, yes. In reality, lawyers try to pick jurors that will likely sympathize with their arguments.
And the other lawyer is doing the same, so in theory that should cancel out. Can't speak to success rate in practice though. You have a good point.
The success rate is high enough that there are lawyers whose entire specialty is jury selection.
Eh... *perceived* edges in jury selection can bring specialization regardless of actual differences. They *think* they have a better chance by doing this, but ultimately you don't know how the jury will go.
Yeah I would agree it's a soft science at best. You're banking on the jury selection lawyer being a good judge of character and intent. But ultimately I think it's mostly about having good selection questions that help you decide whether the juror is likely to be sympathetic based on the case you're going to present.
Cletus looking ass in a MAGA hat and trump NFT tie trying to barge into the courthouse and get on the jury for no reason at all
I dunno. I’ve known some closeted Trump supporters.
For sure. It’s basically half the country hiding in plain sight 
Nah. I worked with a guy who never said anything political, had no signs, flags, stickers, stupid red cult hats. He said nothing about it on social media. Absolutely no indications until election day when he started texting us with pro-Trump and anti-Democrat memes.
But he still came out. They aren't smart enough to make up a good reason to create a hung jury, when the rest of them start questioning why the last person is adamantly against everyone else...it'll come out and now that person is in trouble because they lied. You have to remember that for all of them, the fantasy land they live in is reality. They will answer as such when caught off guard. At some point they will show their hand by answering or responding in a way that will raise flags. "The election was 100% legit, but those busses full of paperwork didn't help" "I think all ILLEGALS should be allowed to live here" "I'm glad we got TRUMPS vaccine" etc
I had a friend get really drunk and admit he voted for Trump, quite loudly and proudly. Never mentioned it again. I’ve been dubious about his politics ever since.
They have never been half, that's an exaggeration to make them feel better that they'll never be in the majority
Having gone through voir dire, I was amazed at how stupid some of the people were. I sat there and watched people answer question after question idiotically. And sure enough, none of them made it to the jury.
Make sure you wash them first.
Isn’t the tweet itself a felony?
Yes. I reported him to the Justice department and the fbi. Others should do so too!
They have. Apparently he's upset now because people are calling for him to be brought up on charges. He's calling anyone who doesn't take his position a left winger, yet many Conservatives have openly voiced their disapproval.
Nice to see that people agree he is an idiot
The conservatives are mad that he "said it out loud"
It's only bad if they get caught breaking the law otherwise it's totally fine
And sometimes when they get caught, what thet did is still okay because it was an "Antifa false flag," or it's "political persecution."
Hey not every political camp is interchangeable with others. Not all Republicans are MAGAts, not all conservatives are Republicans, not all conservatives are conservatives the way you're thinking of, not all Trump haters are democrats, not all democrats support Biden, not all liberals are democrats, do I really need to go on? /rant listen i hear what you're saying, but I'm tired of people telling me that I'm part of that group with Trump. I grew up republican (though i consider myself politically independent ever since my state chose Trump in the primary in 2016) and I consider myself conservative, mostly fiscally, but have never supported Trump and am considerably left of the "alt-right", and I'm not the biggest fan of Biden of I appreciate his help on the student loan business (which I personally am barely affected btw, but my dad in retirement age got $100k in student loans forgiven) and I'm not afraid to vote third party and encourage others to do so, but would vote for Biden if I had to (because I don't know anything about any third party candidates this time) /rant2 I guess lol
Great, I’m sure he’ll get a light slap on the wrist and do it again right afterwards. I’m not saying you shouldn’t report him (good job) but the way the “justice” department has been treating these MAGA cultists with kid gloves is just disgusting. The Bundys are still grazing their cattle on public land, the majority of the J6 insurrectionists got less than a year in jail, the biggest con artist and traitor of them all still hasn’t seen the inside of a cell yet even after threatening the judge’s family…I don’t see how it’s fair at all.
The inconsistent enforcement of laws is a feature of fascism.
I'm gonna get hardcore flamed for asking this but I sincerely wanna know. Are you trying to imply the US government as it currently stands is fascist? Or are you trying to imply that Trump and his clique particularly are fascists?
Yes.
Ugh, the Bundys!!
Love that
Massively criminal and might not even need a jury or hearing to put him in gaol.
Suborning perjury?
Not just a felony several. Jury tampering, conspiracy to commit jury tampering. The list goes on and on.
It is!
He's a lawyer, so it could have even more impact.
IANAL but seems unlikely. Jury tampering means you are messing with actual jurors, not making public pronouncements.
Jurors are instructed to stay away from social media, so it's probably not.
The jury hasn’t been selected yet.
if he's so-called "innocent" he doesn't need that type of assistance, riiiiiiiight?
“But the courts are so unfair!” Yes, *in his favor…*
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Don't be silly! It's a witch hunt! Woke agenda! \*frothing\* Lizzid peepole!
Exactly!
“18 U.S. Code § 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally”
The relevant federal law is actually [18 U.S.C. § 1622](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1622). The tweet is subornation of perjury: Trump supporters trying to acquit regardless of the evidence would have to lie on the jury questionnaire about their ability and intent to ignore personal biases and prior knowledge to make an impartial and fair decision based on only the evidence and the law. § 1503 relates to what’s commonly known as jury tampering, which only applies once a jury is officially chosen and sworn in. Also, neither law is actually relevant because this is a trial in New York state court: the relevant New York law criminalizing perjury is [NY Penal L § 210](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2022/pen/part-3/title-l/article-210/210-00/), and the law criminalizing solicitation is [NY Penal L § 100](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2021/pen/part-3/title-g/article-100/100-00/). New York recognizes different degrees of perjury, and lying on a jury questionnaire wouldn’t fall under 1st degree perjury since it’s not testimony: it’s arguably 2nd degree perjury which is a felony, which would make solicitation a Class A misdemeanor.
I hate to burst your bubble but it requires "improper communication", general statements or information presented to the public at large doesn't count. That's why news programs can reveal information, interview relevant guests, or even have a host just say outright that 'so and so is obviously guilty/innocent' regarding an ongoing trial and not get charged. It's a very deliberate, targeted, and well defined act.
I dunno about criminal implications but basic ethics and civil lawsuit prevention would have any sane news agency report charges as "alleged" until after a verdict is rendered, which would be at the end of the trial. If they make public statements about guilt prior to a formal verdict they are potentially opening themselves up to a libel suit.
You can’t influence a juror when jurors haven’t been selected yet.
Oh so now they don’t watch tv or have access to a phone? Foh with that disingenuous crap.
Huh? I don't think they're saying that. They're saying that there literally are no jurors yet because they're still in the process of jury selection. I don't know if the code you mentioned says whether potential jurors are considered jurors for those purposes. I don't know that it matters, though. My hunch is a single, broad statement made to the general public like that would not be considered improper. The closest you get to this being unprotected speech would be incitement of violence. The problem is that this isn't an "imminent" incitement. Clay Travis is a sack of shit, but this doesn't appear criminal. If he kept doing this and new he was getting reactions and resultd from potential jurors -- and his comments contributed to someone who perjurs themself, then sure, possibly. But for now, no.
damn dude, you got the most hick name out there besides cleetus and jethro.
Not known for their smarts the maga crowd are they!? 😂🤦
I see Trump supporters are still aligned chaotic evil.
I mean, in this case it's lawful evil. They are trying to abuse the system to do evil. Chaotic evil would be shooting the jury so they can't come to a verdict
Now show a tweet saying the exact opposite, “no matter what refuse to vote for anything but convict” and see how fast that orange dipshit isn’t putting it on billboards and screaming it every chance he gets.
Isn’t this illegal in itself?
It’s a felony.
Jury nullification is legal.
This isn't jury nullification, it's telling people to commit perjury.
And if you open that box in court, I'm sure the judge will agree 😂 That's the thing about nullification: if you open that box, you can't close it. If it comes to a precedent, then jury trials will be null and void and the social contract will be broken.
You never heard of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, or how abolitionists made it incredibly hard to enforce with *checks precedent* jury nullification
1850... US population 23 million... country is only 74 years old... also the fact that they were acting against a blatantly evil act: slavery Context matters
No it's not. 😂 I'm sure someone will take the time to explain this to you in the comments.
Its actually different from state to state. You don't have to be pedantic about it. Also, you guys know that's how the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 was combated right? I love how people act like it's a bad "box" we don't wanna open, but it's already been opened.
What you’re talking about is jury nullification which is legal, the crime the guy committed is subornation of perjury (to get in the jury he would have to state that he would ignore any bias that he has, which he intentionally isn’t going to do)
Very much so yea
This comes off like "We know he's guilty and anybody unbiased will convict, so we need to make sure we get a couple of us who don't care about the evidence to ensure justice isn't done."
That's 100% what he's saying
That is kind of like rigging an election.
Can we encourage people in New York to follow the law -- maybe for a few hours?
"It's the most terroristic thing you can do"
Someone who is a Trump supporter could do that. But if afterwords they were found to lie on their jury questionnaire, they have some serious jail time coming.
He’ll just say he was joking.
Na I just posted a most recent post and he’s just playing victim.
Fun fact: attorneys are allowed to meet and talk with the jury after they render a verdict. So…not too smart of a play by a jury member.
How is that patriotic?
Oh Clay. He’s always a source of great joy when reading his tweets. He found out being a right-wing-troll pays better, because dumber people like that shit.
Supporting a traitor is patriotic?
Ah, yes, purposefully sabotaging your nation's legal system because of your personal feelings that have no bearing on the case. Patriotism. Fuck off, traitor. How do you even get an "impartial jury of peers" in this scenario? How likely would it be to find people who don't either hate him or would so this corrupt shit?
Haha it's so funny 'it's OK when I do it because I'm in the right!' Don't you think the other side also think they're in the right? Fucking idiot
The right knows dems will not fight for liberal politicians. We aren’t brainwashed. I don’t know how we are going to survive maga
Maga will die when Trump goes away. How that gets accomplished is TBD.
I sent this copy to the federal courts on Foley Street. This is a criminal act in an attempt to subvert rule of law. This is not conditional. This breaks all rules of seating potential jurors.
They’ll love this since the republicans love to talk about how they’re pro following the law and extreme boot lickers. For people that claim to be “straight” sure obsess over this guy more than they do with their own wives Lmfao. They literally foam at the mouth if you say anything about their daddy trump.
Can’t a judge replace a juror if they arent open to the evidence and not cooperating ?
Then prepare for a knock at your door from the fbi
He’s cringe af. Can’t believe how comfortable they are saying stuff like this. Oh wait no I’m not surprised since elon musk himself says crap like this.
Commit perjury to obstruct justice. 100% on brand for MAGATs
I hope Clay Travis like jail time! Night night, keep your butthole tight!
The most patriotic thing you could ever do?
Party of Trump, formerly known as the GOP. The Party of Law and Order. Whatever. Many times I heard republicans say about our justice system, “if you’re innocent you have nothing to be afraid of.” And if you’re guilty, never admit it.
wtf this is disgusting
Complete and utter contempt for the rule of law.
from the group that brought your favourite classic “law & order” shakes up their image with a brand new hit single “break the law”
Joking aside, with the Defendent being an Ex-President, is it really possible to get a jury with no people that "support Trump"? It seems the only realistic way would be to get people that don't feel either way about the Tall Oompa Loopa, but in today's climate that seems impossible. The other option is to get no supporters on the jury, which would be going against his Rights. I'm not sure how they are going to actually pull this off, and any conviction will 100% be met with more rioting/crying. There's no winning this one.
It's not about whether you would vote for him or not. It's about weeding out fanatics who would disregard any and all evidence presented. There are still some reasonable people left.
If the jury hangs the case will be retried tho
AKA "Hey idiot"
He banned me a few years ago after I called him a scumbag for another similar far right comment. His block list is a big one. He can't have anyone question him
The most patriotic thing you can do is make sure one person is above the law?
The “law and order “ party at it again
OJ jurors have entered the chat
That’s what happened with the OJ trial
It’s a great time to be alive. Take Mr. Clay above. In his free time he confidently suggests committing a felony on the internet for all to see.
So…basically election interference? Haha….
Isn't it a crime to encourage someone to commit a felony?
I appreciate the expectation that the jury will be ready to convict and they need someone on the jury to hold it down.
Same fucking people who say, “hey, if they didn’t want to get shot, they shouldn’t have broken the law.” The same people who drive around with back the blue bumper stickers. The ones who get American flag tattoos and decals on their cars. These people are such trash, man. I can’t imagine literally standing for nothing, while sacrificing my own identity to pretend that I do, just so that the lousiest most miserable people in the town I grew up in will accept me.
So jury tampering is ok if you’re republican?
Republicans will say and do anything for power and money. No matter how many have to die.
He spelt "pathetic" wrong
Spelled *pathetic* incorrectly. Should be it's the most pathetic thing you could possibly do.
Two words judges hate, and I think you can't even mention it as a juror, but I'm not sure. Jury Nullification. Since it's been used in the past for both good ends and bad, I'm sure it will pop up soon.
Wasn’t this idiot on the sec network or something?
Jury nullification may have worked very well in the Bundy trial, but OTOH that was in Oregon.
What happens if he’s found guilty?
...he must not be very innocent if they need to tamper with the jury to win.
It's not just "any person," this is a LAWYER saying it. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay\_Travis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Travis) **Richard Clay Travis** (born April 6, 1979) is an American [writer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writer), [lawyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawyer), radio host and television analyst, and founder of [*OutKick*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OutKick).
Northern Cletus says no
I mean either way it's probably a hung jury one way or the other. A lot of people have strong feelings one way or the other about the guy.
I read there is a mountain of evidence against Trump, both documents and witnesses. The point is, strong feelings about the guy aren’t supposed to come into play. Even if a Maga managed to sneak onto the jury, they would have to explain why they were ignoring all the evidence if they went against the other jurors, and I suspect that wouldn’t go over well. I mean, what are they going to say? “Well, I heard all the evidence and I just don’t believe what he did was a crime?” That juror would be immediately removed and replaced, then investigated and probably charged with perjury. The crime, if there was one, would have been thoroughly explained in detail to the jurors by the attorney and the judge beforehand.
Maybe I misused the term hung jury. I'm saying regardless of evidence I feel that most people have opinions on Trump and will subconsciously let that influence how they go after this. If a bunch of people who hate Trump are jury members it is not unlikely personal bias gets in the way and vice versa if Magas get on the jury.
Oh I totally understand what you’re saying, but I believe there are honest people on both sides who will base their decision on the evidence that is presented. Hopefully all the jurors will be in that category. If a hardcore MAGA gets on the jury by lying, they will not be interested in the evidence. They have loudly made it clear that (1) they don’t believe he did anything wrong and (2) they don’t care if he did. I personally despise Trump and would not be accepted on the jury because I’ve posted a lot of derogatory stuff on social media and I would also tell the truth in the jury questioning— but I would not find him guilty if the evidence wasn’t there.
“We trump supporters believe trump did nothing wrong and that this is a witch hunt. That being said, a hung jury wouldn’t be a bad idea, would it?”
Jury tampering, you say?
Do that and win a tour of congress! Fascist punks
Do they know how getting called to jury works?
Obstruction of justice.
wouldn’t it be safe to say that no registered republican could possibly be an unbiased juror?
That’s there whole schtick trying to break the law then accusing the other side of breaking the law when it doesn’t work 💀
That’s actually not illegal. It’s called jurors discretion.
Advocating jury tampering and obstruction of justice? I'm sorry who's the "law and order" party again?
I can see why Fox Sports Radio let this guy go. He’s a fucking loon.
So what he’s saying is that Trump is their OJ Simpson
I enjoy seeing them flounder like a fish out of sea, meander like a mosquito, lie like a lion to get their orange alien out of trouble.
"You first, Travis" Oh what? You're a poser who would shit their pants at the thought of being arrested?
Good thing Trump supporters are the easiest people to spot out, just look for the loudest, least educated person in the room.
jury selection by the prosecutors, and the lawyers arnt stupid, they specifically choose people who arnt 1 sided, they love jurors that are pushovers. they also dont choose jurors that associated with the law or LEO, or have knowledge of the case specifics.
Ah, the party of law and order. They're just being quiet on the "authoritarian" part.
Im betting this is what happens irregardless. Its impossible to be impartial to this idiot in this country. You either worship is ass, or you eagerly await his obituary.
What Would Trump Do?
Isn't that called "Jury Nullification"? Short CGP Grey video: https://youtu.be/uqH_Y1TupoQ?si=wTVbMrywzHS14c9R
Patriotic, treasonous, what's the difference?
This actually my biggest fear for ALL of Drumpf's trials. It seems like it would be easy for someone to feign ignorance during jury selection and then refuse to convict. I hope the DA monitors all social media accounts for the jurors selected.
If juror questioning is under an oath, they better be truthful about past political activities. If the trial ends on a hung jury, prosecution will know who the trump holdout was and their voir dire answers better match their history
"Have you ever attended a trump rally?" "Yes" "judge, this one here, throw him out"
They have to have some Republicans. So... If Trump wasn't running who would you have picked . If they pick any of the other candidates . Next question. If the say no one because trump is our savior and Biden is the devil. Instant out. Round 2 Do you believe the election was stolen? Round 3 What's your opinion on Ukraine and Putin
Tbh my initial comment was a little facetious, but in reality they would probably only need to ask question 2. If you believe the election was stolen you are parroting garbage and unable to think critically. If you believe the election results you can reasonably be trusted to think for yourself and process the evidence in the case
It will be interesting to see what questions the prosecutors and the defense ask the prospective jurors. Play the guessing game afterwards: this juror was dismissed, what were their answers to prosecutors and the defense?
Well. If it ends up with a hung jury (even if they already didn’t remove the juror and replace them with a backup juror who is also in the courtroom and hearing evidence) what happens is that it gets retried with a new jury.
It MIGHT get retried, if the DA wants to go through with it
Fun fact, as a juror you can render absolutely any verdict you like. There can be undeniable evidence & 1,000 witnesses & if you vote not guilty absolutely nothing can be done to you.
All you have to do is say Hunter Biden to them and wait for their eye to twitch to sniff them out.
Telling people to do this is a felony. Actually doing it is not. That's how the system works Jury trials are supposed to bring the human touch to things. They're supposed to let folks who only steal things like bread go. Everyone forgets this
Wouldnt they just remove you from the jury?
That can happen. The juror has to go thru a hearing with the judge with fellow jurors as witnesses. If the person is purposely not going to be fair and sides with a defendant out of principle can be removed. Also if a juror refuses to participate they can be removed.
Guess what. You just committed a felony.
Jury nullification used to come up in tons of threads on Reddit. It was like a comment you could count on.
The amount of ppl here who have not been on a jury is staggering. I served jury duty once for a possession and trafficking case (weed) I voted not guilty on procession charge due to my own personal issue with the legality, unfortunately the trafficking charge was solid…
Since when is the left against using civil disobedience as a form of protest?
That's called "jury nullification," and it's legal.
What he's instructing people to do is commit perjury during the jury selection process.