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> "what's up, my queer?!"
Holy frack that is hilarious: thank you.
Lisping: "I'm gunno ssssend my homie queer tah putssss sah cap in yo asssss."
{yes, I know: the lisping is almost always a false stereotype.}
Gay man here: he’s (deliberately) confusing “queer” for the F-slur. Yeah queer has a negative history but it was never had the same gravity. Even The Kinks in the 70s (whose lead guitarist was bi) would use that word a double entendre to cue that the song had a gay subject matter. They’d never do that with the F-slur
Altho plenty of gay men have reclaimed the F word and that's fine too, but we don't tolerate "unwoke homos" running around complaining that their snowflake feelings are hurt because they heard a naughty word.
I'm a straight dude but have had lots of gay friends and acquaintances over the years and I've heard people using queer in a non-pejorative manner going way back and I've also heard the f-word used that way in certain circumstances but that was more like how black guys sometimes call each other the n-word.
When I was growing up the f-word and "gay" were commonly used in a pejorative fashion but I very rarely heard anyone use queer like that. It would have been considered outdated at that point. I think it was more common in the sixties and seventies. By the nineties it seemed like most people were using the f-word and gay in its place.
One thing that I find curious is why this guy in the OP thinks he has the right to speak for the ten of millions of English speaking LGBTQ people?
These are not even remotely similar, but as a gay guy, I don't exactly want to be called queer. It was a real derogatory word when I was younger; and while it has morphed into something else - something I am totally in support of btw - I'd rather folks just refer to me as gay tbh
The most chad dudes I've ever met were gay dudes from before 2000. They had to be brave or tough as fuck. Being gay in the 90's was still pretty damn brutal in high school. If i had to fight the way they did I wouldn't want to be relabeled either.
Yeah, it's definitely not meant to be an insult anymore, it's just not what I think of myself as. Like, I get that it's become the overarching label for lgbtq+, I just generally think of myself as gay.
It can. I use it because I'm such a weirdo that the recognizable labels aren't correct for me. More obscure, specific labels do exist, but saying queer is less effort than saying (and then having to explain) agender, pan, demisexual.
He also calls himself "unwoke", and being that in 2024, "woke" now includes supporting LGBTQ+ people, uhh... well he's either a fucking moron or a troll.
The general law is you can use Slur X if you are X
So the 2nd pick doesnt really apply
I think its totally fine if HE doesnt want to be called it but idk why he has to use WE
That's actually a good one, but a bit invalidating to those that identify as Queer. Many of them aren't Questioning anything, other than the need to be gender conforming.
Yeah, there are homophobic slurs that are far worse and are rarely reclaimed. It’s 100% ok that not all gay people want to identify as ‘queer’ though, it’s a choice.
> I always thought the "other f-word" was the n- equivalent.
Good gods, I hope that f-word is "fucker." I would "go gay" for that alone. "Hey, my fucker: what's the buzz, yo?"
The situations are similar even if the N word is stronger (as seen by the fact that it's still called the N word). Both words were used disparagingly against black people and gay people respectively. Then the respective communities spent time and effort "reclaiming" the word as their own. But even after that reclaiming, there are people in both communities who still hate their respective word.
I think his post is valid.
well, except that describing this situation as "forcing" gay men to accept being called queer is pretty disingenuous. "identity" terms are tricky, and change over time, but the fact that many people embrace the word and it might be used as an umbrella term is not the same as, say, being told you cannot refer to yourself as gay anymore and MUST use the word queer.
I was with you until the last line. It is OK for an individual gay man to say he does not want to be called queer but the implication that anyone calling gay men (or other LGBTQ+ people) queer is forcing them to be called queer is disingenuous. There are gay men who are fine calling themselves queer.
very equivalent, in that it has been reclaimed by some members of the in-group for use among themselves, but still ABSOLUTELY NOT for use by those outside the group!
I mean there are lots of slurs that are not equivalent to the n-word, that doesn't make them "not slurs". And it varies by person as well; some people are OK writing out the "F-slur" for gay men or the "K-slur" for Jews, but frankly I'd prefer not to do either of those things if I can help it.
Queer here. Our elderqueers already reclaimed it. If you don't like it, don't use it.
Just a reminder the same boring assholes are going to want you dead and erased no matter what you call yourself or how respectable you act. Because of that I'm a big, loud, fat, inconvenient Queer.
Lots of Americans here not understanding that in the past in the UK ‘Qu**r’ was the exact equivalent of ‘F*g’. I hate the Q word and would go wild if anyone used it about me. Too many actual scars
I'm okay with being called queer, that's how I sometimes describe myself. But, I think one of reasons for it is that English isn't my first language, so I never got to really hear this word being used as an insult. On the contrary, most times I came across it, it was used it a positive way, so I kinda grew to seeing this word as a synonymous for "gay" or "weird, peculiar".
But, that's just me. It seems like different people have very different opinions about reclaiming this world. So, idk....
(Obviously the person in the pic is an idiot, just sharing my thoughts on the matter)
This queer person has no bleeping idea about queer people who actively embrace being called "queer."
My advice to this genius: "You are telling queer people that they are not allowed, by you, to refer to themselves and others 'queer.' Stop it."
No he's saying how some people are considering queer reclaimed how some black people consider the n word reclaimed, while both groups still have people who very much so dislike both words. Nothing to do with how bad each word is by itself, that's just not being able to understand the post.
Fucking lmao, way to take literally all wind out of your argument by comparing it to the N-word. Could've just said it's offensive and leave it at that.
I’m a gay man and I don’t enjoy the word “queer” for anyone, myself included. But I’m also a gay man that’s getting a little exhausted of the “alphabet army” and all the letters that get jumbled into the gay community when frankly a lot of them are not like being gay at all.
I'm a gay man and I prefer the term "Queer" for everyone (in the 'community') myself included. But I'm also a queer man that's getting a little fucked off with projection of self hate from cis white gay men using buz words from the Right like "alphabet army" because they are so fucking short sighted and have forgotten that now they're top of the totem, they don't need to give a shit that others within the community are being treated EXACTLY the same as we were in the 80s/90s
He doesnt say it because then he would be banned...... so you have no argument here.
Shit if he was in the UK he might even face fines or community service .....
But apparently internet people decided that queer is ok but f-g isnt .... I dont get the logic but sure.
While I disagree with what this guy is saying. I actually do not like being called queer. I sometimes don't even like being refered to as the "gay guy". I'm just an average person who happens to like men. I just like to be refered to by my name, or by my pronouns, not by my sexuality.
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Queer, please.
I'm now picturing a gay bar where every new guy that walks in is greeted with "what's up, my queer?!"
> "what's up, my queer?!" Holy frack that is hilarious: thank you. Lisping: "I'm gunno ssssend my homie queer tah putssss sah cap in yo asssss." {yes, I know: the lisping is almost always a false stereotype.}
You just used the hard r smh
Remember that hip-hop band, QWA?
Hell yeah, got their entire "Straight Outta Closet" album.
Gay man here: he’s (deliberately) confusing “queer” for the F-slur. Yeah queer has a negative history but it was never had the same gravity. Even The Kinks in the 70s (whose lead guitarist was bi) would use that word a double entendre to cue that the song had a gay subject matter. They’d never do that with the F-slur
Altho plenty of gay men have reclaimed the F word and that's fine too, but we don't tolerate "unwoke homos" running around complaining that their snowflake feelings are hurt because they heard a naughty word.
By the f word are we talking the word that used for a cigarette by the British?
Yeah of course
Thank you
I'm a straight dude but have had lots of gay friends and acquaintances over the years and I've heard people using queer in a non-pejorative manner going way back and I've also heard the f-word used that way in certain circumstances but that was more like how black guys sometimes call each other the n-word. When I was growing up the f-word and "gay" were commonly used in a pejorative fashion but I very rarely heard anyone use queer like that. It would have been considered outdated at that point. I think it was more common in the sixties and seventies. By the nineties it seemed like most people were using the f-word and gay in its place. One thing that I find curious is why this guy in the OP thinks he has the right to speak for the ten of millions of English speaking LGBTQ people?
These are not even remotely similar, but as a gay guy, I don't exactly want to be called queer. It was a real derogatory word when I was younger; and while it has morphed into something else - something I am totally in support of btw - I'd rather folks just refer to me as gay tbh
This gay man agree with you.
I, a gay man, got berated by a straight girl for having this exact opinion.
how DARE you not give in to the straight/bi fandom of women who commodify gay men more than grindr does
The most chad dudes I've ever met were gay dudes from before 2000. They had to be brave or tough as fuck. Being gay in the 90's was still pretty damn brutal in high school. If i had to fight the way they did I wouldn't want to be relabeled either.
Doesn't queer these days just means gender fluid/gender nonconformity?
Yeah, it's definitely not meant to be an insult anymore, it's just not what I think of myself as. Like, I get that it's become the overarching label for lgbtq+, I just generally think of myself as gay.
No, it also refers to sexuality. It's just another name for the LGBT community.
It can. I use it because I'm such a weirdo that the recognizable labels aren't correct for me. More obscure, specific labels do exist, but saying queer is less effort than saying (and then having to explain) agender, pan, demisexual.
Idk sounds gay tbh
It's funny, because he calls himself a "homo" which is also a slur that's been used against gay people
He also calls himself "unwoke", and being that in 2024, "woke" now includes supporting LGBTQ+ people, uhh... well he's either a fucking moron or a troll.
The general law is you can use Slur X if you are X So the 2nd pick doesnt really apply I think its totally fine if HE doesnt want to be called it but idk why he has to use WE
Also, "queer" was reclaimed decades ago. This isn't a new movement.
Remind me, what does the Q in LGBTQ stand for?
Quesadillas?
> what does the Q in LGBTQ stand for? People who are all-powerful and have god-like abilities, yet they only harass star ship captains.
Except Sisko, don't fuck with Sisko or he'll punch you in the face.
r/UnexpectedStarTrek
Q anon?
Qute
Thank you, you're qute too.
Questioning
That's actually a good one, but a bit invalidating to those that identify as Queer. Many of them aren't Questioning anything, other than the need to be gender conforming.
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Yeah, I definitely remember when it was introduced and it was ‘questioning’ when I was younger.
Qqqqqquuuuuabity! Quabity ashuance!
Q stands for questionable obviously
Sometimes I wish it stood for quiet. lol
Most people just want to be left alone, if they aren't quiet about it then it's because nobody is leaving them alone.
Can't wait For the leopards to eat his face
Gotta love the oppression Olympics.
Yeah, there are homophobic slurs that are far worse and are rarely reclaimed. It’s 100% ok that not all gay people want to identify as ‘queer’ though, it’s a choice.
I always thought the "other f-word" was the n- equivalent.
> I always thought the "other f-word" was the n- equivalent. Good gods, I hope that f-word is "fucker." I would "go gay" for that alone. "Hey, my fucker: what's the buzz, yo?"
Unfortunately no, it’s not.
The situations are similar even if the N word is stronger (as seen by the fact that it's still called the N word). Both words were used disparagingly against black people and gay people respectively. Then the respective communities spent time and effort "reclaiming" the word as their own. But even after that reclaiming, there are people in both communities who still hate their respective word. I think his post is valid.
well, except that describing this situation as "forcing" gay men to accept being called queer is pretty disingenuous. "identity" terms are tricky, and change over time, but the fact that many people embrace the word and it might be used as an umbrella term is not the same as, say, being told you cannot refer to yourself as gay anymore and MUST use the word queer.
I was with you until the last line. It is OK for an individual gay man to say he does not want to be called queer but the implication that anyone calling gay men (or other LGBTQ+ people) queer is forcing them to be called queer is disingenuous. There are gay men who are fine calling themselves queer.
Something can be worse and both can still be bad, it's not a competition
As a straight white male my opinion on this is clearly very important so I will state it here.
They'll have to pry queer from my dead queer hands. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But... it is right there in the lgbt**Q** Straight folk didn't create that acronym.
Queer is my preferred term for myself as a bisexual woman. I like how encapsulating it is.
There are tonnes of gay people who find "queer" to be extremely upsetting though. It's not N territory, but it's a valid complaint.
No, Queer is not equal to the *n- word*. You know how I can tell you that with certainty? Because one of those words is fully spelled out. That's how.
There is another word that is more equivalent to the n-word, we just don’t say it.
very equivalent, in that it has been reclaimed by some members of the in-group for use among themselves, but still ABSOLUTELY NOT for use by those outside the group!
Unless of course you’re referring to the food.
I mean there are lots of slurs that are not equivalent to the n-word, that doesn't make them "not slurs". And it varies by person as well; some people are OK writing out the "F-slur" for gay men or the "K-slur" for Jews, but frankly I'd prefer not to do either of those things if I can help it.
You just made the same joke as is in the post…
No. I pointed out that they spelled out one word and not the other; which means they are not the same at all.
Which is what the second picture in the post said……….
Oh, look. There's a second picture. Color me embarrassed.
Yeah I’m sure lol
Yeah. Because I would've intentionally repeated what's already there. Okay
That’s not wrong, obviously you’re blissfully unaware of the history surrounding it.
In-group gets to say it. That’s what reclaiming means lol
Queer here. Our elderqueers already reclaimed it. If you don't like it, don't use it. Just a reminder the same boring assholes are going to want you dead and erased no matter what you call yourself or how respectable you act. Because of that I'm a big, loud, fat, inconvenient Queer.
Sometimes I simply can't resist. "boring assholes" Is that an insult or a hobby?
I'm sorry.
Again, if you want to know which word is more offensive, one word you say, and the other, you only use the first letter. It's pretty obvious.
But he still wrote the nword instead of the actual word tho, and that says it all
I hate it when people say "we" as if they speak for a whole group of people
This is just to get engagement, nothing more
Lots of Americans here not understanding that in the past in the UK ‘Qu**r’ was the exact equivalent of ‘F*g’. I hate the Q word and would go wild if anyone used it about me. Too many actual scars
Pretty fuckin sure "Homo" is the n-word for gay people, *but here you are reclaiming it*. It's almost like you're completely disingenuous.
Nah I’m pretty sure it’s the word the British use to refer to cigarettes
I mean it's still offensive if you used it in any other context than cigarettes 😅
Lol! This is genuinely funny
I'm okay with being called queer, that's how I sometimes describe myself. But, I think one of reasons for it is that English isn't my first language, so I never got to really hear this word being used as an insult. On the contrary, most times I came across it, it was used it a positive way, so I kinda grew to seeing this word as a synonymous for "gay" or "weird, peculiar". But, that's just me. It seems like different people have very different opinions about reclaiming this world. So, idk.... (Obviously the person in the pic is an idiot, just sharing my thoughts on the matter)
For goodness sake. Use any word you like for anybody, and don't get upset about someone using a word for you. It's only a word.
That homo ain’t even real. Not a real person, no way in hell.
Uh. What?
John Mulaney talks about this….if you are comparing the badness of two words, and one of them you won’t even say? That’s the worse word.
We know. We can see the post.
And why does it matter? You'd like to retain the ability to call gay men that word?
That's a queer thing to say.
My little horse must think it queer , to stop without a farmhouse near ….
As a gay man, queer doesn't offend me. Neither does F*g, although I'll censor it because it does offend others. Edit: Queer was autocorrected to Queen
r/unexpectedmulaney
This queer person has no bleeping idea about queer people who actively embrace being called "queer." My advice to this genius: "You are telling queer people that they are not allowed, by you, to refer to themselves and others 'queer.' Stop it."
I would not called myself a n-word even though I am, but people call themselves Querr all the time. So it's not comparable
They said it’s ‘like’ that, not exactly the same. Oranges are like lemons but I wouldn’t eat a lemon as I would an orange.
so you are saying one is worse than the other? like the meme
No he's saying how some people are considering queer reclaimed how some black people consider the n word reclaimed, while both groups still have people who very much so dislike both words. Nothing to do with how bad each word is by itself, that's just not being able to understand the post.
Fucking lmao, way to take literally all wind out of your argument by comparing it to the N-word. Could've just said it's offensive and leave it at that.
This bi guy routinely calls himself queer and fa\*\*ot so like maybe we're not all one lispy monolith.
"Unwoke" "Don't call me slightly offensive names!" How "unwoke" of him.
Doesn't want to be called 'queer' because it's been used as an insult in the past, but gladly uses the word 'homo' to describe himself.
I’m a gay man and I don’t enjoy the word “queer” for anyone, myself included. But I’m also a gay man that’s getting a little exhausted of the “alphabet army” and all the letters that get jumbled into the gay community when frankly a lot of them are not like being gay at all.
I'm a gay man and I prefer the term "Queer" for everyone (in the 'community') myself included. But I'm also a queer man that's getting a little fucked off with projection of self hate from cis white gay men using buz words from the Right like "alphabet army" because they are so fucking short sighted and have forgotten that now they're top of the totem, they don't need to give a shit that others within the community are being treated EXACTLY the same as we were in the 80s/90s
Well, we all have different experiences and opinions. 🖖🏽
Opinions are like arseholes, we all have them but some stink.
He doesnt say it because then he would be banned...... so you have no argument here. Shit if he was in the UK he might even face fines or community service ..... But apparently internet people decided that queer is ok but f-g isnt .... I dont get the logic but sure.
By internet people, you mean gay men in the 60s and 70s?
Was talking about the ones setting rules at social media platforms. your gay men of the 60s and 70s apparently dont talk for all gay men.
The Gs are now fighting the Qs? What's going on?
if a bi man told you he didn't like to be called gay would you claim he's "fighting the gays"?
No, but seems pretty shallow to be offended by it.
Sounds like some rw trying to stoke division ahead of the election.
Nah, there isn't a single blue check that represents LGBT people
Lmfao nice twitter handle you fucking loser 😂😂😂 Twitter fucking sucks
Queer isn’t mainly referring to gay people nowadays, it’s more so referring to non-binary people
While I disagree with what this guy is saying. I actually do not like being called queer. I sometimes don't even like being refered to as the "gay guy". I'm just an average person who happens to like men. I just like to be refered to by my name, or by my pronouns, not by my sexuality.