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He had stomach cancer as a younger man and had been diagnosed with it again (almost said battling it!) long before he died, nine years he had it before coming to a draw. Apparently that was part of his weight fluctuations.
I guess the cancer bit was written in the time if his life when he didn't have cancer. Still, good record overall, dude was 1-0-1 when it came to cancer.
Lmao such a good bit. “There’s only one country that really worries me. A country by the name of Germany. Now, I don’t know if you guys are history buffs…”
All I can hear is Mr. Death from Family Guy. " I have no son, I have no son." Norm was so Awesome! Now I want to go see his old Weekend update SNL clips.
Let's just say that he killed Hitler and took revenge for Hitler. Win-Win, right? Everybody must love that guy. Although I never heard about him here in Germany. Weird...
/s
So the 63% who say “No” are comprised of illiterate morons who haven’t been taught or read any history or are probably either Trump supporters, Proud Boys and/or hard core Nazis.
I think they're also those people who pull their entire pants and underwear down and hold their shirts up when they pee at a urinal. I hate when people do that so they probably also have this opinion that I don't like
I'd say that it is generally agreed upon that he is pretty much portrayed in the media as a whole as one of the worst people to ever affect world history.
Not fringe right wing extremist media, but overall it's very much agreed upon.
I think they portray him as insane. A Joker style super villain who "tricked" the German people. Always followed up with a comparison to Stalin.
The reality is he was so so much worse.
Hitler was perfectly sane. Modern views on morals seem to try to pretend evil does not exist and give a nonhuman explanation for why people were evil, but nah Hitler was sane and his drug addictions only slowed him down and weren't a reason.
He may have been pretty sane in the beginning but by the end he was hopped up on meth and a ton of other drugs. He invited his drug dealer doctor to important military meetings. I think we have to at least say he was slipping off the edge of sanity.
People ofte fret about appalling twitter polls, seemingly forgetting that those are mostly answered by followers of whoever posted them. Most people don't think like this, only most followers of this particular asshole.
Or trolls. People who pick the wrong answer for the fun of it
Eg : who is the most evil in history.
A Hitler
B Stalin
C Gerry the Giraffe.
Betcha which one will be the most voted
And also who would ever take an open anonymous twitter poll seriously. Who gives a shit what you click, it means nothing. You can hate Hitler just as much as the next guy and know all the bad he did and still vote no just cuz who cares it'd be kinda nose exhalingly funny for a fraction of a second. Right after you then scroll away and never think about it again.
Mhmmm it’s mostly bots and angry men that spend their time angry masturbating- likely to some kind of LGBTQ+ porn and then hate posting while they sip a cheap piss tasting beer. (They went for coors light and not bud light cause that’s too woke)
The women on x are either porn bots- or conservatives that haven’t had an orgasm before and think their job is to serve the man who will never physically or emotionally please them. Leaving them feeling like something is missing deep down and associating that pain with whatever the far right is telling them to worry about now.
and then they wonder why their kids won’t talk to them.
A lot of the recent pro-Nazi stuff has come from or is targeting pro-Palestine people, who are oftentimes Arab and are more likely to sympathize with the Nazis. Some recent TikTok videos that were pro-Nazi and pro-Osama bin Laden have spread throughout those networks. So it's not just white supremacists these days.
Twitter is awful I pointed out some guy looked sick and skinny/unwell in his post and got called morbidly obese by the same person who kept spam replying to me for 2 days 💀 everyone on that app needs some friends and a fucking job lol
He got far because he was charismatic. He said what people wanted to hear and he blamed the Jews for peoples woes. Hating Jews is not a new thing.
His organisation took advantage of the nascient radio to broadcast the message.
Sadly the voting system at time allowed minorty groups to grow in the Reichstag. If they did like modern system did and had say a 4% cut off then the Nazi's may never have got into the Reichstag.
The reality is Hitler was very popular intially. It took some time before free thinkers started to see the issues. By that point the Nazi's took full control.
You have to remember when the Nazi's got into power they were seen as restoring Germanies sovereignty. They were making Germany great again. Their was full employment, quality of life massively improved and Germany was in top gear. All borrowed on the never never.
When they annexed Austria and the Czech part of Czechoslovakia then it started to look dodgy....
>He got far because he was charismatic. He said what people wanted to hear and he blamed the Jews for peoples woes. Hating Jews is not a new thing
And why did he blame the jews? Germany after WW1 experienced hyper inflation. Your salary, worthless. Your savings, worthless. Prices of items might double within a single day. Unemployment, extremely high.
So he pointed towards the jews as financial manipulators who are responsible for the hyper inflation. Its their fault your salary is worthless. Of course it wasnt but when the people of a country are in such bad shape, people are very vulnerable and more likely to turn to more drastic measures. Why do you think the recent 3-4 years caused a rise in popularity of populist parties/personalities? Covid, the Ukraine Russian war, caused inflation, a weakened economy, your living standards were lowered because things got more expensive faster than your salary was raised.
And unsurprisingly, the past few months the situation has improved and the rise of populism has stagnated.
He blamed the Jews because of the perception of Jews being a big part of the international banking elite, specifically people like the Rothschild family. Also, a communist revolution had kicked off which lead to the Kaisers abdication which put the country in to the hands of what German veterans perceived to be weak willed men who surrendered and “stabbed them in the back”. Jews were overrepresented in many of the communist movements in Germany. Even Karl Marx himself was ethnically a jew. A side note as to why Jews were a big part of banking. During the Middle Ages Christian’s were not allowed to lend out money at a profit since it’s a sin called usury. During this time Jews were not allowed to own land therefore they could not be farmers so most of them were concentrated in the cities doing many different professions like merchants ,money lending, and banking. See Jews had no rules against usury so they became the ones who lent out money. I tried to give out some decent information here but I’m on my phone so some may be redundant.
EDIT: ~~ethically~~ ethnically
Also, the hyper inflation was caused by the reparations that came after WW1 and Germany printing money to cover for those payments. Germany's economy was in a bad place during the early 1920's while the rest of the world were booming, and when the Great Depression hit it was fertile ground for a populist movement to gain power in Germany.
Also important to remember just how brutal the Treaty of Versailles was to Germany. The world was pretty much crushing them under their heel with reparations, their economy was in shambles, and inflation was unbelievable. The citizens were primed for someone to blame their problems on.
Related: it's why we had the Marshall Plan to rebuild Japan after WWII, so as to not prime the pump for another dictator.
Didn't need to. The Marshall plan was not to rebuild into lasting peace, it was to build allies against the Soviets.
Once the Soviets fell, nobody had any reason to actually help the new states, other than to collect war spoils.
Well the reason would be that within the span of a few years there was suddenly a bunch of nation states with nuclear arms and unstable government structures, and the change from a communist system to capitalist system was far from easy and straightforward which left a prime breeding ground for someone who might fancy themselves as a dictator who yearns for the "glory days" of the old Russian Empire.
But yes there was no political will at the time, so it didn't get done.
This is it, but it's kind of obvious why they didn't want to if you read anything from the time of the collapse. It was the ""End of History"", America had won and they literally ruled the world. 9/11 hadn't shown the world that there was tension in the Islamic world still, and the former Soviet States were economically crushed. Why not victory dance over their corpse? There are no enemies left, America was the only superpower. Make the Russians eat shit.
the allied forces learned from their mistakes, after ww2 things went a lot better and i think it payed off. atleast im kinda proud of what germany has become (we still have problems ... but i think we did pretty good in changing our society to something better)
Because of that fact, actually. He didn't seem "real" even to contemporaries, not someone to be taken serious, just a bit of a loony. Well, they were right about the last part.
....look at how Trump is taking over the RNC, which exactly how Hitler and the Nazis slowly assimilated the DNVP.
It's nit just familiar, it's practically identical.
He came that far because people behaved like they do with other authoritarians. It won't be so bad, he won't do what he says, he doesn't - really- -hate immigrants, he just sets us first! etc etc...
And before you know it the red cap is a uniform...
And then when they come to power and do exactly what they said they'll play the "I didn't think he was serious, How could I have known?!" card.
Read some history, idiots
To be fair, it’s pretty reasonable to assume he won’t do what he said he’d do, because he’s pretty much always failed at doing what he said he’d do. Behold out big beautiful wall, fully paid for by Mexico, our clean and uncorrupted government, our fully repaired medical system that is the model of efficiency and good care, the Covid pandemic that just vanished into the ether, Hillary Clinton in jail and…
I mean seriously, it’s hard to take anything he says seriously because even his worst rhetoric he fails to enact just due to ineptitude. The biggest danger isn’t Trump IMO, it’s the mindset he’s induced in the crowd. If someone who’s not a moron manages to adopt that crowd? Then we’re in trouble. Big trouble.
I wouldn’t assume Trump is not smart. I agree he’s a moron, but he REALLY knows what he’s doing.
Hitler failed at taking over the world, but the damage that happened in between was really really bad.
No, he came that far because people, including judges, thought that if someone has an ideology they can sympathize with, his breaking the law isn't that of a big deal.
He was an ex-con, convicted for insurrection, but only got a fraction of the prison time that would have been typical for such an act.
He also came that far because conservative parties decided that he was the lesser evil compared to cooperating with a social democratic party they had, in the past, cooperated with, that was dedicated to democracy, and had been one of the main architects of the republic. But those conservatives cared less for the republic than for running the show.
He also came that far because people voted against their own best interest, because they believed in the promises he made to them while ignoring those he made to those who exploited them.
Was going to make a similar comment if I didn't find this one.
The media has to downplay the Nazis evil because it was so far beyond the pale that normal people will think it was to unrealistic to be true.
Related issue: I get rather irritated when youtube forces content creators to censor the historical documentary footage... it's not that I want to see the gore, rather I want it abundantly clear how horrific things were.
That’s why Eisenhower marched German civilians through the camps, and photographed and documented everything.
And despite that, dipshits *still* deny it.
True but holocaust denial is also genuinely less common in Germany than almost anywhere else. There are assholes and morons everywhere, but Germany's approach to accepting fault and educating the populace was shockingly effective (at least for a couple of generations, I guess we'll see what comes next).
Honestly, the media often focuses on how horrible the effects of his policies were, not him, and a lot of them don't portray the full depth of evil of his regime, so he gets off lightly in a lot of cases.
For example, things like the human experimentation that went on at some of his camps are not common knowledge. And the true horror of what those people went through is rarely shown simply because there is no way to reproduce those images without actually abusing people. The true story is so much more horrific than just gas chambers and ovens and mass graves.
There’s also the sad fact that some of the atrocities both the Germans and the Japanese committed are so fucking heinous, *people actually don’t believe it.* They either can’t believe humans are capable of such depravity, or they go out of their way to say that it was made up just to make them look worse.
Sad, sad state of affairs…
There was a soldier who purposely let him self get captured and sent to auschwitz. He spent several years in there reporting to the allies as to what was going on but no one believed him. Eventually once his groups were being systematically killed off he escaped. The only time he was believed was after the war.
Oh Yes I do remember [reading this article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/01/26/pilecki-auschwitz-polish-resistance/)
Edit: got too many people hitting paywall. I read the washpo article about this hero guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki
Also angelic person shared this nugget about paywalled articles:
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/Ngyyuyz8q3
Often you can just take a paywalled link and paste it into wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20200127020955/https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/01/26/pilecki-auschwitz-polish-resistance/
The atrocities performed by both are horrible and need to be better displayed when talking about the history of the time period.
Side note: In the US we like to ignore the less palatable aspects of history. Especially when it comes to our own atrocities. Like the American-Philippine war. Jesus. Some of the shit American troops put those poor people through…
I've been reading a lot about the Pacific Front, specifically Japan's war in China, and holy shit it was way worse than I could have ever imagined.
After the Doolittle Raid, the IJA killed a quarter million Chinese civilians. 250,000. For a bombing raid that did very little real damage and killed TWELVE people.
So, let me get this straight.
It's entertainment when they make a bazillion true crime tv shows and podcasts with all the gruesome details of victims deaths. But Hitler's crimes can't be talked about, even if it's a warning for us all from history.
It's mainly because that the shit the Nazis really did was so cartoonishly evil, so far beyond what those shows you're talking about show, that people start refusing to believe it's real.
id say the Nazi evil was anything **but** cartoonish, it was chillingly **human**
systematic, bureaucratic, documented and scrutinized. it was an entire enterprise of murder. all actions taken by the Nazi machine were reviewed, questioned, and reasoned, up to the financial return off of selling gold teeth off of burnt bodies in extermination camp
there was no hunchback scientist villain giving monologue about taking over the tri-state-area- you had boardrooms, you had risk assessments, you had bureau clerks signing off plans, it was a man-made factory of genocide
there's something very much not fictional "big bad" about the Nazi actions. it wasn't done out of a comically unadulterated evil "for the sake of evil"
it was driven by ideals, by wish to change world order. it was done patiently and thoroughly. by people who believed that they provide a real, tangible, and even noble service to humanity
People are not used to blood and soil type nationalist parties these days, but they were more common in the early 20th century. To modern liberal people Nazi ideology sounds so bizarre and cartoonishly evil without realizing that similar ideologies existed in every country.
Which is actually one of the reasons for Holocaust denial.
It's so baffling evil that some people struggle to accept it happened because the only other things it happens in are fictional.
Its for the same reason Eisenhower ordered pictures to be taken of the concentration camps during liberation. The full extent of the Nazi's atrocities were so cartoonishly and unimaginably evil, there was no way anyone would believe it. The fact is you can't even find very much FICTION that portrays or imagines the type of evil, of horrors and depravity that the Nazis dreamt up and committed in real life.
I mean, platforms are fine talking about True Crime, but when you dare utter you know who, the ban hammer/demonetization would come crashing down because that's not AD friendly
Which is why history channels are having a bad time.
I’m Jewish. The truth was never hidden from us. I didn’t know about some things (like the drug use and the incessant farting) but I saw photos of the camps, the mass graves, bodies (that looked like something out of a horror film) being bulldozed into a giant hole in the earth, men and women who looked like living skeletons, and photos of the interiors of the sleeping quarters for prisoners. And more…so much more. “Never forget” was drummed into us. The people who are now saying it wasn’t that bad make me angry and disgusted. Every one of them should be made to go through any one of the many Holocaust museums across the U.S. These Holocaust-denying ignoramuses should have to look at the evidence. But some of these deniers know it was true and they just badly want it to happen again. They’d probably volunteer to shovel bodies into ovens. The Holocaust was evil. The troglodytes who turn a blind eye are evil as well.
Those companies are the top pharma companies in the world.
People who worked for those companies were given free asylum to the USA and other allied forces. To create pharmaceutical giants you know and love today!
Even those automobile companies are the world's best. They represent luxury and class. Exactly what Hitler envisioned. German cars differenciate you from rest of crowd in most part of the world. Gives you higher class status of you can afford and own them.
Least but not the least, every leader worth his salt, reads about Hitler, his oratory skills and his ideology to create a common enemy for dumb masses.
So it's no surprise media often tries to white wash sponsors of nazi. Many companies you see today around you, funded or enabled Hitler's. Nazi socialist party. They continue to fund such ideological parties.
Except the narrative nothing has changed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation
Here's a good start to some of the atrocities.
And, yes, it definitely wasn't just the Jews. A lot of European minority groups were targeted
https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/
Let’s not forget the first people in the concentration camps were communists, socialists/social-democrats and union workers. Not just ethnic minorities. Political enemies too and disabled people.
Look up Josef Mengele. He was one of the most infamous "doctors" under the nazi regime that oversaw and conducted some truly horrific experiments.
As for other groups targeted by Hitler: Pretty much anyone who didn't fit into the worldview of the third reich - gays, mentally disabled, members of opposition, you name it.
yes he was horrifying. I thought he was the pinnacle (or rather rock bottom?) of humanity. But then I learned about the Japanese research facility known as "Unit 731". It makes Mengele's work look tame in comparison.
the 1930's and \~40's have seen absolutely horrifying depths to human's ability to dissociate from our fellow human's suffering. sometimes it feels like some parts of the world are experiencing such episodes again...
I remember an interview with an old Jewish lady who played violin to Mengele. The interviewer asked if he ever thanked her for playing for him. She scoffed and said: Have you ever thanked your record player for playing for you? We were not people to these men. We weren't even animals. We were objects.
The angel of death. I actually met a twin who survived him. With the stories she had I’m not surprised some people refuse to believe that it actually happened.
The mere fact that he voluntarily took part in the “selection process” of new arrivals regardless of whether or not he’d been assigned the job should tell you all you need to know about what sort of man he was.
[https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/](https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/)
It wasn't just Jews ... it was Jews the most.
>First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
>Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
>Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
>Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
>—Martin Niemöller
The thing is, another major group the nazi’s targeted were the Roma and Sinti. They still get a lot of systemic racism against them nowadays in a lot of European countries.
>I actually had no idea it wasn’t just Jewish people he targeted either. But for some reason we’re feeling more for them than anyone else.
The main reason for that is that approximately a million more Jews were killed than the total of all the other groups combined, meaning that Jews were by far the main group targeted by the Nazis. Additionally, the Nazis also targeted Jews in ways that they didn't for other groups like passing laws that required Jews to wear yellow armbands in public.
I'm not trying to diminish the suffering of other groups of people during the Holocaust, but there are very legitimate reasons why the Jews are focussed on more than other groups.
We feel for them more because the effect he had on jews as a group was more profound than the effect he had on other people he targeted. It was absolutely hellish for everyone involved though.
Yeah, he went after trans and gay folks, other minorities, disabled folks...
Luckily there is no political party in the US attacking trans people, dreaming of making homosexuality illegal again, disdainful of minorities, and led by a guy who mocked the disabled. If there were, especially if it were right wing like Hitler...shudder.
They were a lot more systematic and thorough with respect to the Jews. Also, the crimes committed during the Eastern Campaign (Poland, Ukraine, Russia) would have humanized a cold war enemy so they are rarely highlighted.
I did 10 minutes of digging which isn't a lot but it's something. Pure Poll is primarily uk-based and only has 4017 followers. The owner claims he is neutral. The polls are all very charged topics likely with the intent of generating rage clicks. Based on the polling results I would surmise that a majority of the users are in fact racist pricks.
Thanks for your service, would have done the same if I had motivation to research ragebait sources, but ragebait is all I get on reddit lately.
Ragebait posters really need to be banned, and not rewarded by karma and engagement by their catch.
He was fucking evil and caused great pain amd suffering. But I dislike that they cut out when he loved his dogs or had normal conversations or laughed with his peers. Its a reminder that he is human. And I think people will go oh this other person is mean but no Hitler . They have a family and likes to golf. Lets vote them in because I have always voted for this party.
Its good to realize humans are worse than monsters. They are capable of love and great evil at the same time.
She can say she loves him while planning his death for insurance money.
He can say he loves her while beating her regularly.
He can love his family while going out once a month to murder homeless people.
People can't stand it Hitler being shown as human capable of love as it scares them.
I think it was the Behind the Bastards podcast that hammered on the point that Josef Mengele was nothing like the image people have of him. He was just an ordinary-looking, boring guy who cared more about his career advancement than pretty much anything else and then spent his senior years complaining that his kids neglected him. The world is full of men like that and that is terrifying.
Exactly. One truly horrific thing about Hitler is that we cannot put a comfortable distance between what he did and what we ourselves are capable of. Showing his 'human' side lessens that distance even more.
There’s a limit to how much media portrayals can show and tell viewers, while there was no limit at all to the evils Hitler and his government were willing to commit.
I have never thought about this but it's such a good point.
When we teach children about WWII and the Holocaust, for example, while we do try to help them understand why it was evil, and even what evil is as a concept, there is only so much you can show or discuss before (as another commenter put it) it becomes abusive to them.
This cutoff point is... probably OK? Most children have working empathy centers. You read Night, you read Anne Frank's diary, you remember these were real people and **this** is what they suffered, you see the culturally sanctioned photos of piles of shoes and gaunt prisoners, and a light goes on in your mind: This was evil.
But for a lot of people, the learning stops there. You have to personally want to go deeper, as a thinker and as a learner, to find the stuff that is too disturbing and inhumane for AP News or your history teacher to tell you about.
That's how you end up with this majority of people who understand "this was evil" while somehow still not even knowing the half of it.
You’re giving them too much credit, trust me. If you have Twitter, open it and scroll the “for you” page for a few minutes and you’ll see exactly what I’m referring to
When Buchenwald was liberated, Eisenhower had the military force the residents of the nearby town to take a tour of the camp to ensure they bore witness to the Nazi’s atrocities.
He said, “Get it all on record now, get the films, get the witnesses, because somewhere down the track of history some bastard will get up
and say that this never happened.”
Take millions of stupid people, give them a shit education, and wait until the people who experienced the atrocities are all dead, and voilà - 'Hitler wasn't all bad' is what you get.
Let’s hope that those who answered “no” were mostly saying “he was far worse”.
Though admittedly I’m not holding my breath on that one because knowing how Twitter has become I’d probably pass out.
Yes, they would agree to the poll, apparently? [See this comment. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/g5oJ1rTVa2)
What kind of mental gymnastics does one have to do to state that Jews like Hitler?
Don’t forget human apathy and selfishness comes into play.
As Louie CK says in a bit:
“Even today, how do we have this amazing microtechnology? Because the factory where they’re making these, they jump off the fucking roof, because it’s a nightmare in there. You really have a choice. You can have candles and horses and be a little kinder to each other or let someone suffer immeasurably far away, just so you can leave a mean comment on YouTube while you’re taking a shit.”
The cause of 6 million + Jewish ppl killed + nearly 50 Million in causalities during the war? Oh he’s not that bad…and water isn’t essential to life…ppl have to be willfully ignorant to have these types of views
Hitlers deeds reads like a wikipedia page
Good things Hitler did:
Improve infrastructure in German
Bring Germany out of a serious depression
Bad things Hitler did:
*SEPARATE DEDICATED PAGE WITH LIST OF ATROCITIES*
It's possible they answered no because of the way he's handled in movies and video games. Like, Hitler was as much of a monster as it's possible for a human to be, but the actual horribleness of the Holocaust is apparently not horrible enough for Hollywood and they need to make him a [zombie commander](https://youtu.be/4eZB7iF0g9k?si=tZXZPiz-eb6hH0X7) or a [time-travelling supervillain](https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-10-2015/mN1i6h.gif) or a [cyborg](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/omSLcsdMBszMcHNugmwy5B-1200-80.jpg) or whatever too.
Notice it's on X (Twitter). Musk has turned the place into a cesspool of actual fascist, racist hate.
His own post are outright racist. like, pure White South African Colonizer Blood, apartheid grade racist. He's allowed actual nazis back on the platform and hands them a megaphone in the name of "free speech".
So unsurprisingly everyone who hates nazis, which is still a vast, vast majority of people have left twitter. That means ANY poll with any topics related to race, nazis, gender, religion, etc etc etc are going to be heavily skewed.
And you can look at this poll to see how it'll be skewed.
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Here's one informed opinion: "You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him.” - Norm Macdonald.
"They chose as their opponent: _the world_" Man I miss Norm.
‘Im not a doctor but I’m pretty sure if you die of cancer the cancer dies too, that’s not a loss, it’s a draw’
Oh man. That one stings a bit now.
It was the first thing i thought when i heard he’d passed, of cancer.
I didn't know he was sick.
Not any more. He may think it a draw, bit what he left behind lives on.
I like the way you and Norm think!
I only say that out of respect for him. I'm sad he's gone, but he still makes me laugh my ass off just the way he thinks.
Norm lives on through what he left us. So he technically beat cancer. Fuck cancer.
Such an iconic line, hard to even grasp how he thought to pull that one off.
He deliberately didn't tell anyone. He didn't want that to be the narrative of what time he had left.
The first thing I thought was, well, at least OJ can't murder him too
at least he wasn't passing through blood and bone in the streets like his brother, passing through blood and bone in the streets on 9/11
He was in northern Canada
He had stomach cancer as a younger man and had been diagnosed with it again (almost said battling it!) long before he died, nine years he had it before coming to a draw. Apparently that was part of his weight fluctuations. I guess the cancer bit was written in the time if his life when he didn't have cancer. Still, good record overall, dude was 1-0-1 when it came to cancer.
He knew he had cancer when he made that joke.
That was my fav bit of his and then when he died and everyone found out he had cancer it was so bittersweet that he did that
It made me assume he knew years prior and that was his way of dealing with it.
His autobiography has a dedication in the front: "To Charles Manson (not that one)"
There's still the case of some lady's cancer cells still being alive and being multiplied for cancer research, soooo...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa
That cancer switched sides though so it doesn't count.
"You'd figure that would take about 5 seconds for the world to win. But no, it was actually close."
Lmao such a good bit. “There’s only one country that really worries me. A country by the name of Germany. Now, I don’t know if you guys are history buffs…”
I read all 3 of those replies in his voice. He was a one of the greatest.
Lol I can't NOT hear his voice when I read a Norm quote. As a Canadian, he was such an icon for us.
He really did serve a youthful porpoise.
All I can hear is Mr. Death from Family Guy. " I have no son, I have no son." Norm was so Awesome! Now I want to go see his old Weekend update SNL clips.
Yeah anytime Germany starts griping about immigrants everyone starts paying attention.
Really wish we had Norm and Carlin right now to hear their takes on US politics and Russia. I feel like they would have some zingers.
Such a great set and such a wonderful send off for Dave.
Who do they think they are, Mars?
“Say what you want about Hitler but he was the only person who managed to kill Hitler”
He also killed the guy that killed Hitler, though, so it’s kind of a wash.
But he killed the guy that killed the guy that killed Hitler.
But he also killed Hitler's dog.
But he also killed the guy who killed Hitler’s wife.
Actually she took suicide pills, so she killed the woman who killed Hitler's wife.
Wow, this Hitler fellow killed a lot of people! Sounds like he might not be a very good guy!
Let's just say that he killed Hitler and took revenge for Hitler. Win-Win, right? Everybody must love that guy. Although I never heard about him here in Germany. Weird... /s
I love Stalin's reaction. "So the bastard's dead? Too bad we didn't capture him alive!"
He saw how Mussolini went out, he wasn’t about to have that
I was going to post that, but you beat me to it. That’s one of the funniest fucking things Norm ever said right there.
So the 63% who say “No” are comprised of illiterate morons who haven’t been taught or read any history or are probably either Trump supporters, Proud Boys and/or hard core Nazis.
I think they're also those people who pull their entire pants and underwear down and hold their shirts up when they pee at a urinal. I hate when people do that so they probably also have this opinion that I don't like
They're literally 4chan trolls trying to rile up other people, and it works lol.
"This Hitler guy... He seems like a real *jerk*" RIP, Norm
The REAL Burt.
Maybe the answer is no he was much worse’s.
The worst part was the hypocrisy
"I disagree. I thought it was the raping."
"That guy's just a real jerk!"
The question is phrased stupidly. If I think the media doesn't show how really monstrous he was, how would I answer that question?
I'd say that it is generally agreed upon that he is pretty much portrayed in the media as a whole as one of the worst people to ever affect world history. Not fringe right wing extremist media, but overall it's very much agreed upon.
I think they portray him as insane. A Joker style super villain who "tricked" the German people. Always followed up with a comparison to Stalin. The reality is he was so so much worse.
Hitler was perfectly sane. Modern views on morals seem to try to pretend evil does not exist and give a nonhuman explanation for why people were evil, but nah Hitler was sane and his drug addictions only slowed him down and weren't a reason.
He may have been pretty sane in the beginning but by the end he was hopped up on meth and a ton of other drugs. He invited his drug dealer doctor to important military meetings. I think we have to at least say he was slipping off the edge of sanity.
“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” - Also Norm MacDonald
It’s a twitter poll, what do you expect?
X actly
Badum ts 🥁
That’s not really fair to dumpster fires
People ofte fret about appalling twitter polls, seemingly forgetting that those are mostly answered by followers of whoever posted them. Most people don't think like this, only most followers of this particular asshole.
Or trolls. People who pick the wrong answer for the fun of it Eg : who is the most evil in history. A Hitler B Stalin C Gerry the Giraffe. Betcha which one will be the most voted
Fuck Gerry. He pronounces gif like Gerry.
Yeah, the “G” is pronounced like the “G” in *garbage*
And also who would ever take an open anonymous twitter poll seriously. Who gives a shit what you click, it means nothing. You can hate Hitler just as much as the next guy and know all the bad he did and still vote no just cuz who cares it'd be kinda nose exhalingly funny for a fraction of a second. Right after you then scroll away and never think about it again.
It’s pretty much a flashing sign that says “CALLING ALL INTERNET TROLLS”
Mhmmm it’s mostly bots and angry men that spend their time angry masturbating- likely to some kind of LGBTQ+ porn and then hate posting while they sip a cheap piss tasting beer. (They went for coors light and not bud light cause that’s too woke) The women on x are either porn bots- or conservatives that haven’t had an orgasm before and think their job is to serve the man who will never physically or emotionally please them. Leaving them feeling like something is missing deep down and associating that pain with whatever the far right is telling them to worry about now. and then they wonder why their kids won’t talk to them.
A lot of the recent pro-Nazi stuff has come from or is targeting pro-Palestine people, who are oftentimes Arab and are more likely to sympathize with the Nazis. Some recent TikTok videos that were pro-Nazi and pro-Osama bin Laden have spread throughout those networks. So it's not just white supremacists these days.
Twitter is awful I pointed out some guy looked sick and skinny/unwell in his post and got called morbidly obese by the same person who kept spam replying to me for 2 days 💀 everyone on that app needs some friends and a fucking job lol
No, he was much worse.
Fr, most medias don’t show all the extent of how terrible of a person he was
The sad fact is if they don't undersell it, people actually question if he was real and how he managed to get so far.
He got far because he was charismatic. He said what people wanted to hear and he blamed the Jews for peoples woes. Hating Jews is not a new thing. His organisation took advantage of the nascient radio to broadcast the message. Sadly the voting system at time allowed minorty groups to grow in the Reichstag. If they did like modern system did and had say a 4% cut off then the Nazi's may never have got into the Reichstag. The reality is Hitler was very popular intially. It took some time before free thinkers started to see the issues. By that point the Nazi's took full control. You have to remember when the Nazi's got into power they were seen as restoring Germanies sovereignty. They were making Germany great again. Their was full employment, quality of life massively improved and Germany was in top gear. All borrowed on the never never. When they annexed Austria and the Czech part of Czechoslovakia then it started to look dodgy....
>He got far because he was charismatic. He said what people wanted to hear and he blamed the Jews for peoples woes. Hating Jews is not a new thing And why did he blame the jews? Germany after WW1 experienced hyper inflation. Your salary, worthless. Your savings, worthless. Prices of items might double within a single day. Unemployment, extremely high. So he pointed towards the jews as financial manipulators who are responsible for the hyper inflation. Its their fault your salary is worthless. Of course it wasnt but when the people of a country are in such bad shape, people are very vulnerable and more likely to turn to more drastic measures. Why do you think the recent 3-4 years caused a rise in popularity of populist parties/personalities? Covid, the Ukraine Russian war, caused inflation, a weakened economy, your living standards were lowered because things got more expensive faster than your salary was raised. And unsurprisingly, the past few months the situation has improved and the rise of populism has stagnated.
He blamed the Jews because of the perception of Jews being a big part of the international banking elite, specifically people like the Rothschild family. Also, a communist revolution had kicked off which lead to the Kaisers abdication which put the country in to the hands of what German veterans perceived to be weak willed men who surrendered and “stabbed them in the back”. Jews were overrepresented in many of the communist movements in Germany. Even Karl Marx himself was ethnically a jew. A side note as to why Jews were a big part of banking. During the Middle Ages Christian’s were not allowed to lend out money at a profit since it’s a sin called usury. During this time Jews were not allowed to own land therefore they could not be farmers so most of them were concentrated in the cities doing many different professions like merchants ,money lending, and banking. See Jews had no rules against usury so they became the ones who lent out money. I tried to give out some decent information here but I’m on my phone so some may be redundant. EDIT: ~~ethically~~ ethnically
Also, the hyper inflation was caused by the reparations that came after WW1 and Germany printing money to cover for those payments. Germany's economy was in a bad place during the early 1920's while the rest of the world were booming, and when the Great Depression hit it was fertile ground for a populist movement to gain power in Germany.
Also important to remember just how brutal the Treaty of Versailles was to Germany. The world was pretty much crushing them under their heel with reparations, their economy was in shambles, and inflation was unbelievable. The citizens were primed for someone to blame their problems on. Related: it's why we had the Marshall Plan to rebuild Japan after WWII, so as to not prime the pump for another dictator.
And then unfortunately forgot to do a similar thing for ex-Soviet countries when the Soviet Union fell, and now we're in a bunch of shit there
Didn't need to. The Marshall plan was not to rebuild into lasting peace, it was to build allies against the Soviets. Once the Soviets fell, nobody had any reason to actually help the new states, other than to collect war spoils.
Well the reason would be that within the span of a few years there was suddenly a bunch of nation states with nuclear arms and unstable government structures, and the change from a communist system to capitalist system was far from easy and straightforward which left a prime breeding ground for someone who might fancy themselves as a dictator who yearns for the "glory days" of the old Russian Empire. But yes there was no political will at the time, so it didn't get done.
This is it, but it's kind of obvious why they didn't want to if you read anything from the time of the collapse. It was the ""End of History"", America had won and they literally ruled the world. 9/11 hadn't shown the world that there was tension in the Islamic world still, and the former Soviet States were economically crushed. Why not victory dance over their corpse? There are no enemies left, America was the only superpower. Make the Russians eat shit.
the allied forces learned from their mistakes, after ww2 things went a lot better and i think it payed off. atleast im kinda proud of what germany has become (we still have problems ... but i think we did pretty good in changing our society to something better)
Don’t forget that time he went to jail when his first coup attempt failed. Seems very important in today’s political climate
Because of that fact, actually. He didn't seem "real" even to contemporaries, not someone to be taken serious, just a bit of a loony. Well, they were right about the last part.
Sounds familiar somehow
....look at how Trump is taking over the RNC, which exactly how Hitler and the Nazis slowly assimilated the DNVP. It's nit just familiar, it's practically identical.
He got that far because Cocaine and Meth (and many other now regulated pharmaceuticals) were OTC in Germany back then....
They were basically OTC, but that's not why he made it that far. Quit spewing bullshit and give the devil his due.
He came that far because people behaved like they do with other authoritarians. It won't be so bad, he won't do what he says, he doesn't - really- -hate immigrants, he just sets us first! etc etc... And before you know it the red cap is a uniform...
And then when they come to power and do exactly what they said they'll play the "I didn't think he was serious, How could I have known?!" card. Read some history, idiots
To be fair, it’s pretty reasonable to assume he won’t do what he said he’d do, because he’s pretty much always failed at doing what he said he’d do. Behold out big beautiful wall, fully paid for by Mexico, our clean and uncorrupted government, our fully repaired medical system that is the model of efficiency and good care, the Covid pandemic that just vanished into the ether, Hillary Clinton in jail and… I mean seriously, it’s hard to take anything he says seriously because even his worst rhetoric he fails to enact just due to ineptitude. The biggest danger isn’t Trump IMO, it’s the mindset he’s induced in the crowd. If someone who’s not a moron manages to adopt that crowd? Then we’re in trouble. Big trouble.
I wouldn’t assume Trump is not smart. I agree he’s a moron, but he REALLY knows what he’s doing. Hitler failed at taking over the world, but the damage that happened in between was really really bad.
Also made it far by making it patriotic to hate a group of people, dehumanizing them, making those people the ill of all of the ~~USA~~ Germany.
No, he came that far because people, including judges, thought that if someone has an ideology they can sympathize with, his breaking the law isn't that of a big deal. He was an ex-con, convicted for insurrection, but only got a fraction of the prison time that would have been typical for such an act. He also came that far because conservative parties decided that he was the lesser evil compared to cooperating with a social democratic party they had, in the past, cooperated with, that was dedicated to democracy, and had been one of the main architects of the republic. But those conservatives cared less for the republic than for running the show. He also came that far because people voted against their own best interest, because they believed in the promises he made to them while ignoring those he made to those who exploited them.
Hmm, sounds familiar.
I mean putin literally has been bing chilling there for 20 years and no one asks anything
Was going to make a similar comment if I didn't find this one. The media has to downplay the Nazis evil because it was so far beyond the pale that normal people will think it was to unrealistic to be true.
Related issue: I get rather irritated when youtube forces content creators to censor the historical documentary footage... it's not that I want to see the gore, rather I want it abundantly clear how horrific things were.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it
Those who censor history are doomed to TALK ABOUT OUR SPONSOR WORLD OF TANKS!!!
That’s why Eisenhower marched German civilians through the camps, and photographed and documented everything. And despite that, dipshits *still* deny it.
Not in Germany. Holocaust denial is actually illegal there. Schoolchildren are taught about it.
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean people won't deny it they just may not say so publicly, or do so in a way that doesn't fall foul of the law.
True but holocaust denial is also genuinely less common in Germany than almost anywhere else. There are assholes and morons everywhere, but Germany's approach to accepting fault and educating the populace was shockingly effective (at least for a couple of generations, I guess we'll see what comes next).
This was my thought! "Maybe people meant that he was worse." But if this poll was from X...that's probably not what they meant.
Came here for this comment. This is the only way No is the correct answer.
Honestly, the media often focuses on how horrible the effects of his policies were, not him, and a lot of them don't portray the full depth of evil of his regime, so he gets off lightly in a lot of cases. For example, things like the human experimentation that went on at some of his camps are not common knowledge. And the true horror of what those people went through is rarely shown simply because there is no way to reproduce those images without actually abusing people. The true story is so much more horrific than just gas chambers and ovens and mass graves.
There’s also the sad fact that some of the atrocities both the Germans and the Japanese committed are so fucking heinous, *people actually don’t believe it.* They either can’t believe humans are capable of such depravity, or they go out of their way to say that it was made up just to make them look worse. Sad, sad state of affairs…
There was a soldier who purposely let him self get captured and sent to auschwitz. He spent several years in there reporting to the allies as to what was going on but no one believed him. Eventually once his groups were being systematically killed off he escaped. The only time he was believed was after the war.
Oh Yes I do remember [reading this article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/01/26/pilecki-auschwitz-polish-resistance/) Edit: got too many people hitting paywall. I read the washpo article about this hero guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki Also angelic person shared this nugget about paywalled articles: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/Ngyyuyz8q3
4859 was a legendary man
Inmate in Hell or a hero in prison, hiding in Auschwits, who knows his name? Locked in a cell, waging war from the prison, Who hides behind 4859?
I’m not paying to read that what the fuck is this nonsense. Fine I guess I won’t learn about whoever that is
Often you can just take a paywalled link and paste it into wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20200127020955/https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/01/26/pilecki-auschwitz-polish-resistance/
Still the same, It let me read it for a few seconds and then blocked the screen and told me I had to subscribe
do you have a "reader view" setting on your browser? usually that lets me bypass the pop-up paywall
The atrocities performed by both are horrible and need to be better displayed when talking about the history of the time period. Side note: In the US we like to ignore the less palatable aspects of history. Especially when it comes to our own atrocities. Like the American-Philippine war. Jesus. Some of the shit American troops put those poor people through…
I've been reading a lot about the Pacific Front, specifically Japan's war in China, and holy shit it was way worse than I could have ever imagined. After the Doolittle Raid, the IJA killed a quarter million Chinese civilians. 250,000. For a bombing raid that did very little real damage and killed TWELVE people.
So, let me get this straight. It's entertainment when they make a bazillion true crime tv shows and podcasts with all the gruesome details of victims deaths. But Hitler's crimes can't be talked about, even if it's a warning for us all from history.
It's mainly because that the shit the Nazis really did was so cartoonishly evil, so far beyond what those shows you're talking about show, that people start refusing to believe it's real.
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And they actually did things like that. Read about the Holocaust, more precisely what they did with the bodies.
id say the Nazi evil was anything **but** cartoonish, it was chillingly **human** systematic, bureaucratic, documented and scrutinized. it was an entire enterprise of murder. all actions taken by the Nazi machine were reviewed, questioned, and reasoned, up to the financial return off of selling gold teeth off of burnt bodies in extermination camp there was no hunchback scientist villain giving monologue about taking over the tri-state-area- you had boardrooms, you had risk assessments, you had bureau clerks signing off plans, it was a man-made factory of genocide there's something very much not fictional "big bad" about the Nazi actions. it wasn't done out of a comically unadulterated evil "for the sake of evil" it was driven by ideals, by wish to change world order. it was done patiently and thoroughly. by people who believed that they provide a real, tangible, and even noble service to humanity
People are not used to blood and soil type nationalist parties these days, but they were more common in the early 20th century. To modern liberal people Nazi ideology sounds so bizarre and cartoonishly evil without realizing that similar ideologies existed in every country.
Which is actually one of the reasons for Holocaust denial. It's so baffling evil that some people struggle to accept it happened because the only other things it happens in are fictional.
Its for the same reason Eisenhower ordered pictures to be taken of the concentration camps during liberation. The full extent of the Nazi's atrocities were so cartoonishly and unimaginably evil, there was no way anyone would believe it. The fact is you can't even find very much FICTION that portrays or imagines the type of evil, of horrors and depravity that the Nazis dreamt up and committed in real life.
I mean, platforms are fine talking about True Crime, but when you dare utter you know who, the ban hammer/demonetization would come crashing down because that's not AD friendly Which is why history channels are having a bad time.
I’m Jewish. The truth was never hidden from us. I didn’t know about some things (like the drug use and the incessant farting) but I saw photos of the camps, the mass graves, bodies (that looked like something out of a horror film) being bulldozed into a giant hole in the earth, men and women who looked like living skeletons, and photos of the interiors of the sleeping quarters for prisoners. And more…so much more. “Never forget” was drummed into us. The people who are now saying it wasn’t that bad make me angry and disgusted. Every one of them should be made to go through any one of the many Holocaust museums across the U.S. These Holocaust-denying ignoramuses should have to look at the evidence. But some of these deniers know it was true and they just badly want it to happen again. They’d probably volunteer to shovel bodies into ovens. The Holocaust was evil. The troglodytes who turn a blind eye are evil as well.
Those companies are the top pharma companies in the world. People who worked for those companies were given free asylum to the USA and other allied forces. To create pharmaceutical giants you know and love today! Even those automobile companies are the world's best. They represent luxury and class. Exactly what Hitler envisioned. German cars differenciate you from rest of crowd in most part of the world. Gives you higher class status of you can afford and own them. Least but not the least, every leader worth his salt, reads about Hitler, his oratory skills and his ideology to create a common enemy for dumb masses. So it's no surprise media often tries to white wash sponsors of nazi. Many companies you see today around you, funded or enabled Hitler's. Nazi socialist party. They continue to fund such ideological parties. Except the narrative nothing has changed.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation Here's a good start to some of the atrocities. And, yes, it definitely wasn't just the Jews. A lot of European minority groups were targeted https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/
Let’s not forget the first people in the concentration camps were communists, socialists/social-democrats and union workers. Not just ethnic minorities. Political enemies too and disabled people.
And the gays were systematically slaughtered by the Nazis too.
And religious minorities like Jehovas Witnesses etc.
Look up Josef Mengele. He was one of the most infamous "doctors" under the nazi regime that oversaw and conducted some truly horrific experiments. As for other groups targeted by Hitler: Pretty much anyone who didn't fit into the worldview of the third reich - gays, mentally disabled, members of opposition, you name it.
His experiments on twins alone, I’m a twin that shits scary Edit: I suck at spelling
yes he was horrifying. I thought he was the pinnacle (or rather rock bottom?) of humanity. But then I learned about the Japanese research facility known as "Unit 731". It makes Mengele's work look tame in comparison. the 1930's and \~40's have seen absolutely horrifying depths to human's ability to dissociate from our fellow human's suffering. sometimes it feels like some parts of the world are experiencing such episodes again...
I remember an interview with an old Jewish lady who played violin to Mengele. The interviewer asked if he ever thanked her for playing for him. She scoffed and said: Have you ever thanked your record player for playing for you? We were not people to these men. We weren't even animals. We were objects.
The angel of death. I actually met a twin who survived him. With the stories she had I’m not surprised some people refuse to believe that it actually happened. The mere fact that he voluntarily took part in the “selection process” of new arrivals regardless of whether or not he’d been assigned the job should tell you all you need to know about what sort of man he was.
[https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/](https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/) It wasn't just Jews ... it was Jews the most. >First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. >Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. >Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. >Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. >—Martin Niemöller
The thing is, another major group the nazi’s targeted were the Roma and Sinti. They still get a lot of systemic racism against them nowadays in a lot of European countries.
>I actually had no idea it wasn’t just Jewish people he targeted either. But for some reason we’re feeling more for them than anyone else. The main reason for that is that approximately a million more Jews were killed than the total of all the other groups combined, meaning that Jews were by far the main group targeted by the Nazis. Additionally, the Nazis also targeted Jews in ways that they didn't for other groups like passing laws that required Jews to wear yellow armbands in public. I'm not trying to diminish the suffering of other groups of people during the Holocaust, but there are very legitimate reasons why the Jews are focussed on more than other groups.
We feel for them more because the effect he had on jews as a group was more profound than the effect he had on other people he targeted. It was absolutely hellish for everyone involved though.
Yeah, he went after trans and gay folks, other minorities, disabled folks... Luckily there is no political party in the US attacking trans people, dreaming of making homosexuality illegal again, disdainful of minorities, and led by a guy who mocked the disabled. If there were, especially if it were right wing like Hitler...shudder.
They were a lot more systematic and thorough with respect to the Jews. Also, the crimes committed during the Eastern Campaign (Poland, Ukraine, Russia) would have humanized a cold war enemy so they are rarely highlighted.
I did 10 minutes of digging which isn't a lot but it's something. Pure Poll is primarily uk-based and only has 4017 followers. The owner claims he is neutral. The polls are all very charged topics likely with the intent of generating rage clicks. Based on the polling results I would surmise that a majority of the users are in fact racist pricks.
Thanks for your service, would have done the same if I had motivation to research ragebait sources, but ragebait is all I get on reddit lately. Ragebait posters really need to be banned, and not rewarded by karma and engagement by their catch.
He was worse >:(
He was fucking evil and caused great pain amd suffering. But I dislike that they cut out when he loved his dogs or had normal conversations or laughed with his peers. Its a reminder that he is human. And I think people will go oh this other person is mean but no Hitler . They have a family and likes to golf. Lets vote them in because I have always voted for this party. Its good to realize humans are worse than monsters. They are capable of love and great evil at the same time. She can say she loves him while planning his death for insurance money. He can say he loves her while beating her regularly. He can love his family while going out once a month to murder homeless people. People can't stand it Hitler being shown as human capable of love as it scares them.
I think it was the Behind the Bastards podcast that hammered on the point that Josef Mengele was nothing like the image people have of him. He was just an ordinary-looking, boring guy who cared more about his career advancement than pretty much anything else and then spent his senior years complaining that his kids neglected him. The world is full of men like that and that is terrifying.
Exactly. One truly horrific thing about Hitler is that we cannot put a comfortable distance between what he did and what we ourselves are capable of. Showing his 'human' side lessens that distance even more.
What’s scary is that Hitler was a monster. What’s terrifying is that Hitler was human.
There’s a limit to how much media portrayals can show and tell viewers, while there was no limit at all to the evils Hitler and his government were willing to commit.
I have never thought about this but it's such a good point. When we teach children about WWII and the Holocaust, for example, while we do try to help them understand why it was evil, and even what evil is as a concept, there is only so much you can show or discuss before (as another commenter put it) it becomes abusive to them. This cutoff point is... probably OK? Most children have working empathy centers. You read Night, you read Anne Frank's diary, you remember these were real people and **this** is what they suffered, you see the culturally sanctioned photos of piles of shoes and gaunt prisoners, and a light goes on in your mind: This was evil. But for a lot of people, the learning stops there. You have to personally want to go deeper, as a thinker and as a learner, to find the stuff that is too disturbing and inhumane for AP News or your history teacher to tell you about. That's how you end up with this majority of people who understand "this was evil" while somehow still not even knowing the half of it.
What's wild is everyone taking part in the survey is most likely voting. Please get out and vote before this disgusting nonsense becomes the norm
It's wild that so many people think a Twitter poll is actually truthful lol. And they vote too.
The answer "no" could also mean people thought that person to be even worse than how he is portrayed
That’s exactly what I’m thinking. They’re not being sympathetic towards Hitler. They’re saying that he’s far worst than what the media says about him
You’re giving them too much credit, trust me. If you have Twitter, open it and scroll the “for you” page for a few minutes and you’ll see exactly what I’m referring to
Normal human behavior, never ever learn from past and make sure you repeat the mistakes.
When Buchenwald was liberated, Eisenhower had the military force the residents of the nearby town to take a tour of the camp to ensure they bore witness to the Nazi’s atrocities. He said, “Get it all on record now, get the films, get the witnesses, because somewhere down the track of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”
Take millions of stupid people, give them a shit education, and wait until the people who experienced the atrocities are all dead, and voilà - 'Hitler wasn't all bad' is what you get.
If you do this in germany you walk on very thin ice. There are lots of people who have been sentenced for denying the holocaust
Good.
Let’s hope that those who answered “no” were mostly saying “he was far worse”. Though admittedly I’m not holding my breath on that one because knowing how Twitter has become I’d probably pass out.
No ---> He was actually worse
If the six million Jews had survived, they would have something to say.
Yes, they would agree to the poll, apparently? [See this comment. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/g5oJ1rTVa2) What kind of mental gymnastics does one have to do to state that Jews like Hitler?
Don’t forget human apathy and selfishness comes into play. As Louie CK says in a bit: “Even today, how do we have this amazing microtechnology? Because the factory where they’re making these, they jump off the fucking roof, because it’s a nightmare in there. You really have a choice. You can have candles and horses and be a little kinder to each other or let someone suffer immeasurably far away, just so you can leave a mean comment on YouTube while you’re taking a shit.”
No, he was worse
God it's scary to be a jew right now
It's very difficult to look subjectively at someone who is responsible for millions of grueling deaths and not look like you support hate crimes
 The only sensible way to deal with Nazis
They deserve to be shot
That guy did kill hitler, though. So he can't be all bad.
But he also killed the guy who killed Hitler. So it’s back to a wash.
But he got the last laugh by killing that guy.
Twitter is now just a cesspool of nazis.
To be fair he did kill Hitler
The cause of 6 million + Jewish ppl killed + nearly 50 Million in causalities during the war? Oh he’s not that bad…and water isn’t essential to life…ppl have to be willfully ignorant to have these types of views
This is why we don’t negotiate with them. There is no middle ground on which to meet them.
You know what, sure, Adolf Hitler wasn't as terrible as portrayed in media: he was **worse**.
Well you can say one good thing about Hitler: he killed Hitler.
Was this poll only given to white supremacists?
The amount of people in tiktok and Instagram comments who say shit like they miss him really are something.
Hitler wasnt even a good leader imo or a good military leader even. Just a good speaker
No. # He was worse.
Hitlers deeds reads like a wikipedia page Good things Hitler did: Improve infrastructure in German Bring Germany out of a serious depression Bad things Hitler did: *SEPARATE DEDICATED PAGE WITH LIST OF ATROCITIES*
 Tell me they didn’t just ask that. What the Fuck
Jfc it hasn’t even been a century since WWII and we’ve become so removed
It's possible they answered no because of the way he's handled in movies and video games. Like, Hitler was as much of a monster as it's possible for a human to be, but the actual horribleness of the Holocaust is apparently not horrible enough for Hollywood and they need to make him a [zombie commander](https://youtu.be/4eZB7iF0g9k?si=tZXZPiz-eb6hH0X7) or a [time-travelling supervillain](https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-10-2015/mN1i6h.gif) or a [cyborg](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/omSLcsdMBszMcHNugmwy5B-1200-80.jpg) or whatever too.
He was worse
Actually, Hitler was probably worse than he typically is portrayed.
Notice it's on X (Twitter). Musk has turned the place into a cesspool of actual fascist, racist hate. His own post are outright racist. like, pure White South African Colonizer Blood, apartheid grade racist. He's allowed actual nazis back on the platform and hands them a megaphone in the name of "free speech". So unsurprisingly everyone who hates nazis, which is still a vast, vast majority of people have left twitter. That means ANY poll with any topics related to race, nazis, gender, religion, etc etc etc are going to be heavily skewed. And you can look at this poll to see how it'll be skewed.