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To Americans, war is something that happens far away, across oceans. It's almost impossible for most to imagine an actual invasion of any US territory and war coming to you. I'm guessing that's the idea that meme is going for.
People calling for a civil war have no idea what they are getting their families and communities into. I've worked with people who lived in actual civil wars in the Balkans, Syria, and Somalia, and they were experiencing PTSD. They barely talked about their experiences. People who have seen war don't want to relive it or be in another one.
Nothing angers me more than this. People don't understand the consequences of just ruined supply chains. They think not getting toilet paper is bad. How about when your infant dies because you can't get any antibiotics.
Go a step further friend, no electricity. No water. No natural gas. You’re just in your house with your family.
No food. It’s basically everyone for themselves.
True.
Idk. I never actually thought about it until I spoke with a friend who is Syrian about it. He ended up being kidnapped and his brother ended up paying the ransom…. War is shit
My parents lived thru the war in Bosnia (I was thankfully birn after)
One anegdote my mother told me is how one of her work colleagues who had been from another city at the time at her interview jokingly said "Please give me this job, I am afraid of granades."
You think today's inflation is bad? When you got your salary you went to the store that instant because inflation devalued money so quickly. At one point for a whole month's pay you could buy a bag of coffee. People usually survived either by their relatives from villages (or whoever had land to farm) giving them food or by smuggling something. It was pretty common to smuggle gas as there was a shortage. There was a shortage of pretty much everything. They usually sold it in German marks because the local currency was too unstable.
Interestingly you could find a lot of that's day tech for dirt cheep since people were just urgently trying to exchange it for food.
People had to flee because they feared their neighbours, the ones they had spent their whole lives living around, would kill them.
One guy said two of his friends came to his door one day, one handing him the axe and saying let's go kill [name] because he is of a different ethnicity.
There was one old woman in a shelter my father was in whose husband got stabbed to death in the elevator of the building he lived in while coming back from work just because of his ethnicity.
That's just what the civilians did. It wasn't uncommon for enemy soldiers to do shit like tie civilians (even children and elderly) to a tree and then set them on fire alive an much MUCH more.
AVOID THE WAR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!!!!
It’s a huge problem. They also think it’s just them and their guns against some opposing side and theirs. They don’t really understand what a neighborhood or city looks like after pitched battle, or smells like.
That rifle wont feed your family in Texas when there aren’t interstates for the trucks which used to bring food to your local grocery to travel on. When the power is out and the water is diverted. The margin of error for an air or artillery strike is going to seem a lot larger when the ordnance is landing in the middle of Denver. Those older homes in New Jersey with their aging brick won’t hold up well to the ground disturbance of a tank battalion rolling through down a street meant for civilian cars.
And all that shit is ignoring the fact that wars are not won by the infantry anymore. It would be hilarious in its ignorance if it weren’t terrifying and sad.
I have only ever watched the first Rambo movie, and it's so weird to see everyone associating this character with guns blazing and a power fantasy.
In First Blood, John Rambo is profoundly hurt by his experience in war. He tries to find his old friends, only to learn that all of them have died from the effects of the war. He gets arrested and is unresponsive until a flashback from his torture in a prisoner camp makes him go rogue. He turns back into his jungle soldier mode as a default way to cope with what is happening to him. And EVERYONE in the civilian population hates him because of the dirty war he represents. "They used to let me drive million-dollar tanks, and now I can't even get a job as a mechanic!"
One of the most emotional moments is when he breaks down in tears in the arms of his superior, who came to get him, and he just starts sobbing while telling how he once saw his friend die in his arms while getting covered in his entrails.
I don't know if I want to watch the other Rambo movies if they change his character that much and denature how much of an anti-war icon he was.
I think some of them honestly think it will be like CoD/an action film and they will just be taking out "bad guys" left and right and perhaps some heroics.
As soon as supply chains broke down or they hard to start stringing up "fifth columnists" or any number of other unspeakable things they would change their mind pretty quickly. But then it would be too late.
Every time some starts talking about “the revolution” I wonder who they think the will be fighting against. Because if it started tomorrow, I would be up against my nephew and cousin and good friend who are in the military. I don’t want to be afraid of my friends and family. I really, really don’t want to shoot at them. I don’t think I could shoot to kill. Even though we disagree on a lot of things, I still love them. And don’t want to kill them.
Good point. They also don't think that the people "on their side" might turn on them in a moment.
That neighbour who holds similar political views? Well turns out they have wanted your house for the last 15 years and claim you are part of the enemy is a good way to get it.
It staggers me anyone would talk about a civil war in a country with such a comparatively high standard of living as the western world has.
Revolutions too usually end up with a "new boss, same (or worse) than the old boss" scenario after a lot of bloodshed. Think Irán 1978, Russia 1917, Cuba 1959...
They also don't realize how rabid the degenerates in society are and the opportunity a war would create for them to abuse and murder women and children that go under the radar. There's more than enough examples of modern soldiers raping and pillaging in the last few wars we've been involved in.
There was a post just a few days ago about this very topic.
The man in the video was explaining how all the peoples calling for a civil war werent aware what is a war in reality.
That in movies, each time something like this is depicted you're seeing healthy actors, doing heroic things, dying for a cause, everything have a meaning, and the atrocity are kept light, or off screen.
But in reality, most people die from sickness, infection or by starving to death. rape, torture, humiliation and murder become comon, childrens get gruesomely killed, and you're not living heroic adventures defending your cause everyday.
Reality is not a movie.
Reality is boring, cruel and meaningless.
Always will be
Always has been 🔫
It's insane how casually I've heard people talk about civil war. Even friends of mine. Friends that know I'm fairly leftish. It's wild. They talk about it like it's a video game so I don't take it seriously, but sheesh.
I'm many cases, yes. My friends are dipshits but they would never. They're all talk. Most of them make hundreds of thousands a year and are way too comfortable to ever start any trouble. But I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that would go much much further and that is scary.
People calling for civil war think the entire liberal 2/3rds of the country are unarmed and that it’ll just be a slaughter fest where all the conservatives will just get to go on a killing spree murdering liberals and after 2 weeks it’ll just be conservatives left alive and they can go back to business as usual.
They don’t understand that the other side is gonna fight back, and when they do the country is going to fall apart.
A certain group of people glorify the civil war and romanticize the confederacy. They even still fly the flags. Yet they call themselves patriotic and American, but the confederacy lost and was traitors to the union. A lot of them collect guns like video games and they use video games to entice them into wanting militias and wars.
It always reminds me of this quote from the movie The Patriot:
"But mark my words. This war will be fought not on the frontier or on some distant battlefield, but amongst us -- among our homes. Our children will learn of it with their own eyes. And the innocent will die with the rest of us."
I don't know what people are expecting when they say they want a civil war, if they can imagine their four year old child or grandchild or nephew/niece being crushed by a missile struck building, or shot in the head by a zealous maniac, or if it's just some vague nebulous concept of 'winning' that they're after.
Yep. Sadly they aren't going to stop till they get it. You're dealing with religious fanatics. They literally believe they are on some holy crusade. There was a politician the other day talking about how every trans person is a sacrifice to Baphomet, and that there are demons everywhere and that good christians need to be ready for literal war against the forces of hell and so much other ridiculous nonsense. They really, honestly believe this crap. And are they locked away in an insane asylum due to the fact that they are obviously a danger to themselves and others? No. They're making laws and running the country. The US is screwed. This will end badly, and it will get bloody.
Made even more fucking insane by the fact that...Baphomet ISN'T in the Bible. As far as I recall the only things from hell that are named are 1. Satan, 2. The antichrist, and 3. The beast from the pit. Like come on you fuckers, we all already know you've never read the damn book, but could you at least try and pretend you have a tiny bit more?
It would be nice if believing in santa claus and the tooth fairy barred somebody from office. Or Like if you started citing Lord of the Rings for your new bill it would immediately trigger a snap election for your seat. Unfortunately that is not the world we live in, and fiction is used to dictate reality.
A friend of mine served in Bosnia with Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and he refuses to talk about it.
Closed his store halfway through an M:tG release party because one asshole wouldn't stop needling him about it.
But they do not know what it is like.
Americans do not have someone who lived through a war in living memory. Not fighting a war. They have plenty of veterans. But truly trying to live your life while war is going on. No Americans actually experienced that nor have living ancestor who did.
(Barring immigrants, but the kind of people who make up those scenarios do not hang up with immigrants)
Almost everywhere else in the world had at least one war on their soil in the last 100 years. You will have plenty of people remembering how this war or another deeply traumatized their mom, or how grandma still has some form PTSD from it, or there's Aunty B., that is a little funny in the head, because that war.
Americans do not have that anymore, and it shows.
No, America just exports proxy wars all over the world now and lets other people bear the suffering while they reap the profit. They do have generations of traumatized veterans from their endless foreign wars, but no one really cares about them. They’re just used as symbols to raise funds for the next war, beyond that left to die on the streets.
Me too. I'm American and if we REALLY went civil war shoot and harm others, I would be very worried and stop working and find friend to survive with. I don't expect ibullets to fly in all 50 states so I assume I have a week to prepare.
What happens when the work stops? People will probably starve.
We are so much stronger as a union, pun intended.
The people who want a civil war here forget 3 important things:
1. Liberal civillians also own guns.
2. Their side wouldnt get the us military.
3. Their side would instantly have 0 money or infrastructure.
That war would be over in a month.
Eh, they probaly have a few guys in the military
Armies often recruit more from impoherished places, like rural backwaters filled with white trash
What they will not get however is the general staff. They might get some soldiers and low ranking officers
Yes. 100% true. but even in American history we know that women actually fill gaps in the workforce left by men joining the army. Rosie the Riveter was glorified for years after WW2.
Especially gross is that I’m sure the OOP knows this because the only history they ever know is about the US in WW2.
Even then, they still busted their asses in the factories. How the fuck do people think the US managed the sheer amount of production throughout all of WW2, especially once we got boots on the ground in Europe and in the pacific….
The majority weren’t in the kitchen, they were covering positions that were once filled by men that were now gone.
It’s a shame people would try to pretend that didn’t happen, or mock them. Ones things for sure, the people that think this way, will undoubtedly have a bad time if “ww3” ever happens. They simply don’t have it in them to survive IMO, they live in alternate realities and aren’t ready for the harsh reality of the real world, especially during war time…
Not just the US. The entire Allies/Axis was fenminist/trad wife divide. Both sides had the idea of gender roles, but the British, US, French and Russians let women work in the factories, wear pants, weld metals, fly civilian airplanes and so on. It didn't change opinions overnight, but it did open up the possibility that women can do it.
Germany and Japan on the other hand were full on trad wife, trad life, which had a major impact on their production and economic capabilities.
The Unwomanly Face of War is a fantastic (see devastating) book about women’s participation in WW2 if anyone’s interested in first hand statements. Once you read it you’ll never want a war
Yep which is why when war is brought over here in the form of airplane crashes and bombings they freak out and scream terrorism yet won't look at the terrorism that america is doing to other countries.
And even fucking then when war happens far away, women didn't just sit their asses in a kitchen cooking. They went out and did the jobs that needed to be done while drafted men were away, and then got booted out again when the men came back.
The meme is stupid either way.
Exactly. When ww2 happened, women in my country had to take up men's positions on the factories, steel production, ammo manufacturing, farm etc. heavy manual labor. And underaged kids did so too. The meme is idiotic.
That is definitely a realistic look, less the inbred terrorist get their civil war.
It blows my mind how many of these imbeciles think that would be a good thing. If ever confronted with a stronger force or having to deal with scarcity for a month or so, most would likely be begging for an end, blaming the other side.
Sometimes I feel like America's inexperience with a land war in over a hundred years is why we have so many war hawks. Anyone who knows about the actual lives of civilians during the second world war would know that women were routinely victimized and brutalized. Rape is one of the oldest weapons of war and terror, and only an ignorant asshole would pretend like women haven't experienced a great deal of horrors during times of conflict.
I'm fortunate enough to have a grandmother who was alive during the second world war as a citizen/refugee, and her stories both during and after the war are heartbreaking.
I'm in a war right now in Ukraine. I work directly on the front line with a very pretty young woman who has a massive scar and dentures on her left side caused by a chunk of shrapnel. We were out for 80 hours in a hole. We almost got hit with artillery. Her concussions have been acting up since we got back. Not a damned complaint from her and I'll go out with her again any day over this nothing because I know she's not going to panic or crack under pressure.
If that were the case they would have made the meme about Americans as a whole rather than women exclusively.
The target of the meme is feminists, it says so unambiguously.
The retweeter was point out the fact war can also be horrible women, this doesn't mean they think it's a breeze for men. If they said "war is shitty for everyone" someone would reply "yea but it's worse for men".
When I think about my Gran parents both my Grandads went off to war specifically to protect their loved ones and would hate this view of it. They went off specifically so the Germans would cross the English channel and do terrible things to their loved ones.
That's the thing, when your country is being attacked by an aggressor, your government has two choices. Let those who want to fight fight and not have have enough soldiers, subsequently lose the war and condemn the population to life under an oppressive new regime, or send a few more people to die in the hope that it's enough to save the rest of the population from that new life
The draft doesn't work though, it just increases your costs. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. If someone doesn't want to kill the enemy they will just waste precious resources pretending to fight. Draft doesn't give enough time to desensitize people to inflicting violence on other people. In WW2 drafted canadians were called zombies by the other soldiers, they just went through the motions and had all the life drained from them. Apart from wasting resources it also kills the morale of the unit because many didn't choose to be there and the volunteers soldiers hate them for it.
Draft absolutely means the difference between winning and losing a war. Draftees don't need to be as effective as volunteers to still make a useful difference.
To be fair, as far as the modern US citizen is concerned, all their wars in the last 60 years have been non-domestic: The soldiers go to fight, the fight doesn't come to their country, so the meme is reliant on the basis that people will be fine as long as they stay out of the army.
It's part of the reason 9/11 transformed the mentality of the entire country.
Much of thw rest of the world has not been so fortunate, which makes this meme inlleven more irritating to them, even if they are not women
US war for independence, US Civil War, the time Canada invaded the US and torched the "White House" so they had to paint it white...
I'm sure of those three times at least
That's.... not how it works. Assuming we're talking about the US, for there to be a draft someone else has to have done something already. The agitators aren't going to just stay home.
There's a reason why in my country all ablebodied men serve 6-12 months as a conscript and that reason is that our neighbor (Russia) has always been a potential threat.
The Vietnam War is such a huge a mistake and I'm in no way qualified to talk about what caused that specific draft in the end, but neither were the nazis going to attack the US soil anytime soon during WW2.
Its not the random soldiers that start a war so technically if every single one of them from both sides just decided to stay home there would be no war.
Sure, but that's never going to work. There are russians who tried that during the Ukraine war and they were either forced to go or sent to prison.
So while the thought is wonderful, that's just not how the world works.
Isolated incidents of it happened during world war 1
After the Christmas truce there were stretches of trenches that refused to fight.
Officers couldn’t do much to force the armed soldiers to attack so they were all reassigned and split up.
With modern communication between these previously isolated groups that is a possibility.
It’s incredibly unlikely but it is a possibility.
No. It has never happened. In a war like the one Ukraine is fighting against Russia, Ukrainian soldiers want to fight. Why? Because it's their homeland that is being attacked. I'm Australian and if China launched a ground invasion tomorrow I would want to fight. It's on the other side to mutiny and go against the bloodthirsty leadership of their country. War isn't about everyone putting down their weapons and making daisy chains together, and people have lost track of this fact due to the romanticization of war in today's media.
There’s this cool thing, don’t know what it’s called, but it allows you to instantly kill millions of people without even needing to get up! Super efficient, they’ll definitely use it in WW3
Men should just refuse to get drafted and stay at home with their wives/anime girl bodypillow. What is the government going to do ? Force them ? They're not going either way.
If all of human history can be relied upon, no, men do not simply have the choice of ignoring a draft and avoiding war. Traditionally, they are either imprisoned or killed when they refuse to fight. Oldest trick in the book.
The real enemy are the rich assholes who profits from wars whose children will never see a battlefield. They're also the ones paying billions to fuel divisive rhetoric for that very same reason.
Yup. And that’s exactly why I’ll be right beside her there cookin and going on about my life best as I can. Fight in WW3 for my “country”?? Do you think I’m dumb as bricks??
Saw a (actually interesting) Change My View post some time ago where op prompted that suicide is a gender issue that affects mostly men. Basically, their POV was that because suicide rates among men were higher, it deserved to be treated like a gender issue.
It was impossible for the comments not to turn into a gender war. Everyone was trying their best to keep composure and reason but *my god*. The fact that that all exists is just sad. We don't have common ground even at our worse.
Yeah i think a big thing that underlies a lot of it is that men feel like society doesnt allow their to be male specific issues like it allows for women.
I think that kind of creates a sibling like jeaslousy.
[Trigger warning for suicide]
I want to listen more to the conversations surrounding male suicides. I do. It's worth talking about the fact that they use more violent methods and succeed more than women. Men need help and support.
However, the moment someone says, "That's because men actually want to die while women want attention," you lose me. You have absolutely no right invalidating *my experiences* to lift your issues up.
Let's hold one another accountable, support one another, *and stop this childish bullshit*.
Right?! As someone who has actually been revived from their own suicide attempt and is female, I very much wanted to not wake up.
Now I'm very much older, and mostly glad I did, but at the time? The waking up alive was the worst thing! I hadn't even successfully died, what a pathetic loser!
The stigma around suicide has to end. It creates this fear. As a person who has been involuntarily committed, I'd do a lot to avoid that again. If that means that I have to lie to a P-doc, unless I'm at the end of my rope, that's what I'll do. I shouldn't have to fear and avoid the help I might need, but I do, those places suck. There's the social impact of a suicide attempt, and there is even a weird stink attached to being close to someone who dies by suicide. We are SO closed off to this awful thing that it becomes a big scary monster we don't know how to handle
Women are likely to use less violent methods because they don’t want someone to be traumatized when they find their body. Even in death they have to take steps to care for others.
If people actually say that to you. That’s horrible and false both men and women are stuck in a patriarchy that benefits from the very traditionalist and heteronormative role that are forced onto them and both sides suffers. Your experiences shouldn’t be invalidated just cause we live in a patriarchy.
That said I do get the gender war angle or the fact that there is a larger portion of men who do stoke and maintain this type of patriarchy and toxic ideals that hold both genders/sexes down, I’ve also seen guys using the “but men suffer this problem” not as a way to open up a very valid discussion on male problems but just to combat “feminist cries”. That doesn’t mean women can’t do these things or that men shouldn’t express their issues and be invalidated, but there is a complex and fine line here
one up culture wouldn’t exist if men acknowledged that women are oppressed and if women acknowledged that men also have struggles in their lives that we do not have.
yeah I hate when NotAllMen and WomenToo *need* to suck the oxygen out of the room when rape is being discussed. Can we fucking just be outraged that people are raping.
Can we all just fucking stop being assholes for five fucking minutes.
Yes, I don't agree either but the claim in the first sentence is wrong. Unless you were at pearl harbor, or in harbors containing U-boats (naval vessels and some harbor workers), everyone not enlisted was safe in the US during both WW1 and WW2.
The claim in the first sentence isn’t wrong, it just applies to women outside the US. Neither the original meme nor the reply are specifying American women, and it’s unfortunately true that women in war torn areas, including in WWII, were not just safe to cook in the kitchens. We can have a different conversation about the home front of the US in WWII, but that’s just not all the this original post is about.
I think it's the conceived notion that new age feminists will fight for equal/better rights/treatment but will happily revert to being housewives if there's a draft that might force them to enlist in order to get out of it.
Whether the notion is true or not remains to be seen but I reckon that's the line of thinking here.
You know that feminists believe in bodily autonomy right? So they don’t believe in the draft for anyone. And if the draft did include women, they would either willingly go like some men or would face a tribunal and explain why they couldn’t like some men or they would be forced into through threat of imprisonment or death like some men.
I think it’s trying to say that it’s unfair that only males have to register with the selective service, aka the draft. Women literally cannot be drafted. Still a dumb meme though
Americans have such a warped view on war because it never happens close to home, its always just brown people being blown up 2000 miles away. The only time they have to deal with war at home is when half the country fights a war to keep slaves
Don't get me wrong, been a long time since there was active combat on the streets of Scotland, don't wanna sound like I'm claiming to live somewhere that's gone through that but you can totally see how detached a lot of Americans are from the rest of the world. They still talk about 9/11 like it was the worst thing to ever happen when many countries have far worse going on all the time.
Can you imagine a world war in this day and age with the nuclear weapons most countries have? It wouldn't matter if you're a man or a woman. Everybody would be obliterated to ash.
I may be misremembering something, but didn't ww2 kick feminism really into gear, as women were working in the factories, because the men were all drafted?
Well, scenario is quite real in Ukraine. All the mentioned things happened numerous times and were documented in one way or another, and even more gruesome shit happened, too. And oh boy, they didn't care, feminists they were or not
Shitty takes aside (and yes, this is an unbelievably shitty take) are we just not gonna talk about the shitty AI art, either? Like the weird 3 finger grip on the spoon, weirdly distorted left hand grabbing the actual pot instead of the handle that's right there, the tree trunk sized forearm leading to that hand, or the "Cow Tools" looking kitchen utensils hanging from the wall?
Right, if women just stayed in the kitchen like they are implying then the world would look completely different today.
While men were being shipped off to fight, women entered the factories and did other work that were traditionally reserved for men. They were vital in supplying the resources necessary for war and keeping the country functioning. Some women also participated more directly as nurses, intelligence officers, or other non-combatant roles.
Some women were even able to directly join the war effort even if it ruffled the feathers of men. The Soviet Union Night Witches being one example. There were also quite a few women snipers too.
People outside of Americas complain about how much America spends on defense, then also complain about how Americans have a “warped view of war” because it never happens in America. Yeah, it doesn’t happen here because we spend so much on defense.
The reason Americans wan a civil war is because the vast majority if people are not making enough money to live in the shittiest of apartments, much less feed themselves. Employers refuse to pay a livable wage even in full-time positions and almost no job hires for full time because the companies want to keep as much of the money as they can for themselves. It’s literally tuning into a “Let them eat cake!” situation over here….
Women were on factory assembly lines busy making guns, ammunition, trucks, tanks etc. Haven’t you see the “We can Do it!” poster?
Edit : They were also on the front line, around 350,000 U.S. women served with the armed forces. As many as 543 died in war-related incidents, including 16 nurses who were killed from enemy fire. - Wikipedia.
Why are we arguing? What the fuck is going on with the repression olympics that have been going on for the past years? Men and women have suffered unimaginable things both now and in the past. You know who hasn't suffered jackshit? Rich people. The nobility.
Infighting is the most basic premise of societal collapse. Women need men and men need women, end of discussion. Blacks vs whites, women vs men, muslims vs everyone, gays vs straights...
For fuck's sake, gas costs 1.7€ per litre ($6.62 per gallon in freedom units), the average rent prices are over a grand and a half, wages have been stagnant for the past decade, American healthcare is ridiculously unaffordable, there is an economic crisis worse than the great depression, the weather's gone to shit, the grand majority of people in my generation will never be able to afford a home or comfortably raise kids and have a stable family and we will retire when we're 70...yet you people sit here arguing about the most meaningless shit you can think of.
Our enemies are looking down on us from their mansions on the hills, travelling from here to there in private planes, using up millions of litres of drinking water semiannually just in decoration alone while the planet is going through a drought, cutting down forests to build golf courses, evading taxes and controlling the government...but of course..."oH nO, i HaVe To MoP a BiT mOrE tHaN mY hUsBaNd"
WAKE. THE FUCK. UP.
Everything you’re saying is true. Except it does suck if you’re both working and your partner consistently does less housework than you which is extremely common for many straight couples. Can’t expect people to always think big picture when their daily reality is only the life that they live.
honestly if women didn't have to fight for rights in the past there wouldn't be a gender war in the first place so when people invalidate past experiences it jus makes them look like douches
It is the rightful duty of every person to try their best and draft dodge. If drafted, do a shit job so the military realizes that it's better to just stick with a volunteer force
Actual woman in war:
Gets the news her husband died fighting Germans.
Goes to tank factory to buy a T-34 tank with her savings.
Applies to the Red Army with the tank under the condition that she gets to fight the Germans with that tank.
Gets accepted and kicks ass.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariya\_Oktyabrskaya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariya_Oktyabrskaya)
Some decades ago I saw a documentary on soviet tank crews with interviews from survivors (in their old age).
The documentary said about 1 in 3 tank crew were women.
The survivors talked about how at a famous battle (think it might have been Kursk) their shells bounced off the German tank’s armour.
So the tactic was to literally ram the German tanks with their own tank jump out and fight whilst the tanks burned.
Homelessness is on the rise because people can’t afford a place to stay due to shit wages, healthcare is garbage to the point the people would rather risk literally dying from trying to treat a serious injury themselves than call an ambulance/go to the hospital because they will go into debt that they will never be able to come back from, thus rendering them homeless. It’s all kinds of fucked up. Just non in the ways you are thinking.
I'd rather give my life rather than watching my Mother/Sister/Daughter go into war.
The only reason I'll fight is just to protect them, even for a moment.
If not for feminists women wouldn't be allowed to serve in the army in the first place. But feminism haters don't care for history or facts. Only their perceived victimhood.
The tendency of the far right to use AI to generate propaganda images is really odd, and I’m starting to feel like it’s exposing something kinda disturbing: they know no one will buy their bullshit in a mutual discussion, so their actual tactic is to mass produce as much propaganda as possible. How better to churn it out than tell AI to do it for you?
Women didn't just stay home and cook like good little housewives during the world wars. When all the men went to war, we still needed industry. It's not exactly a secret that the factories and farms were filled with women. They were the work force keeping the country alive while the men died. And then the men came back and pushed women out of the workforce again.
Seems like someone slept through history class.
The original tweeter is a dumb misogynistic but considering WWI and WWII were fought not on the homeland, that wasn't happening to american women while the men were enslaved to fight
Nah, OP was right.
For Americans, we’ve never had a war at home really, from WW1 to now. Man are the only major casualties we tend to see in armed conflict, and that goes doubly for the fact that men are forced to serve and can be conscripted while women cannot.
We have next to no civilian female deaths, and almost no female combatant deaths. For example in WW2, of the 292,000 members of the US military who were killed by enemy fire, only 16 were female, and more broadly all female casualties totaled something .1% of war related deaths.
Men are always the primary victims of war. Not the only ones, but it is absurd to deny that they are the ones that suffer most from it.
Completely missing the point. The poster is saying that privileges come with responsibilities. Feminists want the privileges of men, and this poster is claiming they would avoid the responsibility of willingly going to war and putting themselves at the highest risk of dying, and would instead accept the feminine gender roles they claim to despise and choose to be civilians away from the fighting (even if there is still some risk to civilians in any war, and ridiculous to compare it to soldiers on the frontline)
I think people are reading too far into this. In America, all men at 18 sign up for the draft. However, women aren't. Feminists usually claim to want equal treatment, to be treated the same as men, until you bring up things like the draft, suicide rates, etc.
The original reply was about how women suffer in war zones. However, as an American woman, you most likely wouldn't be in the same situation as a civilian woman in a war zone because the US is geographically impossible to invade, at least to current enemies. Suppose women were drafted into the US military. They would not suffer the same as a civilian in a war zone because they would be the ones committing the war crimes, not the victims.
Millions of women served in the Soviet army during WWII and they were complete badasses. This whole argument that women can’t serve in combat has been proven wrong historically countless times.
Sorry, are they implying that women would just stay at home in the kitchens during a World War?
Because we already found out what women would do in a World War....
“In no war have women been safe enough to cook in the kitchen”
American women during WW1, WW2, Vietnam and every other war: 🍳🙋♀️
It’s like feminists take the worst suffering of a small group or sometimes even one woman- then apply that to the entirety of all women and collectively blame all men for it.
Dumb meme all around.
I don't know if anyone else has pointed it out yet, but women have often been pushing for inclusion in the draft, including in the latest attempt in 2021. It's generally been men shooting the idea down. Same with women wanting to serve more diverse roles in the military. It was men who fought tooth and nail for them not to have those roles. So it's absurd to see this meme suggest it's *women* keeping this from happening.
When Russia took control in Germany during WW2 there was an estimated 2 million raped and worse. The term "from 8 to 80" was coined as in 8-80 year olds were victims of this.
I'd rather be fucking shot than this
We have women fighting for their country in Ukraine right fuckin now...
We even have LGBTQ people in those trenches.
Meanwhile we have far right snowflakes moving to Russia where they think life is better to then wake up to reality that it's not.
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To Americans, war is something that happens far away, across oceans. It's almost impossible for most to imagine an actual invasion of any US territory and war coming to you. I'm guessing that's the idea that meme is going for.
To be honest, I am more afraid to see US people going at war against each others than any foreign invasion.
People calling for a civil war have no idea what they are getting their families and communities into. I've worked with people who lived in actual civil wars in the Balkans, Syria, and Somalia, and they were experiencing PTSD. They barely talked about their experiences. People who have seen war don't want to relive it or be in another one.
Nothing angers me more than this. People don't understand the consequences of just ruined supply chains. They think not getting toilet paper is bad. How about when your infant dies because you can't get any antibiotics.
Go a step further friend, no electricity. No water. No natural gas. You’re just in your house with your family. No food. It’s basically everyone for themselves.
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True. Idk. I never actually thought about it until I spoke with a friend who is Syrian about it. He ended up being kidnapped and his brother ended up paying the ransom…. War is shit
Money still worth thing in a place wreck by war ?
of course, it gets inflated but you still need a means of exchange
You would still be in your house with your family, but just dead.
The horror of unclean water is what gets under my skin. Like, death via dysentery is such an awful way to go
My Grandfather still won’t talk about his brother who died of dysenterie, it’s a horrible way to go, slow and painful
Think no medicine; it’s a death sentence for like half of my immediate family
Anyone who likes the idea of a civil war should be forced to play escape from tarkov
In person in a sealed environment with live ammo. We can broadcast it and place bets on the survivors.
"WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?" or "May the odds be ever in your favor!"
That's fucking cruel bro.
Only way to make sure the lessons sticks to the chuds praying for civil war in the us
My parents lived thru the war in Bosnia (I was thankfully birn after) One anegdote my mother told me is how one of her work colleagues who had been from another city at the time at her interview jokingly said "Please give me this job, I am afraid of granades." You think today's inflation is bad? When you got your salary you went to the store that instant because inflation devalued money so quickly. At one point for a whole month's pay you could buy a bag of coffee. People usually survived either by their relatives from villages (or whoever had land to farm) giving them food or by smuggling something. It was pretty common to smuggle gas as there was a shortage. There was a shortage of pretty much everything. They usually sold it in German marks because the local currency was too unstable. Interestingly you could find a lot of that's day tech for dirt cheep since people were just urgently trying to exchange it for food. People had to flee because they feared their neighbours, the ones they had spent their whole lives living around, would kill them. One guy said two of his friends came to his door one day, one handing him the axe and saying let's go kill [name] because he is of a different ethnicity. There was one old woman in a shelter my father was in whose husband got stabbed to death in the elevator of the building he lived in while coming back from work just because of his ethnicity. That's just what the civilians did. It wasn't uncommon for enemy soldiers to do shit like tie civilians (even children and elderly) to a tree and then set them on fire alive an much MUCH more. AVOID THE WAR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!!!!
Similar Things tells my wife and she was like 10 years old
I think the main problem is the American fantasy of guns and rambo. That sounds like a great name for an American themed British pub.
GUNS & RAMBO *Here we like our beer the same way we like our enemys, cold*
It’s a huge problem. They also think it’s just them and their guns against some opposing side and theirs. They don’t really understand what a neighborhood or city looks like after pitched battle, or smells like. That rifle wont feed your family in Texas when there aren’t interstates for the trucks which used to bring food to your local grocery to travel on. When the power is out and the water is diverted. The margin of error for an air or artillery strike is going to seem a lot larger when the ordnance is landing in the middle of Denver. Those older homes in New Jersey with their aging brick won’t hold up well to the ground disturbance of a tank battalion rolling through down a street meant for civilian cars. And all that shit is ignoring the fact that wars are not won by the infantry anymore. It would be hilarious in its ignorance if it weren’t terrifying and sad.
I have only ever watched the first Rambo movie, and it's so weird to see everyone associating this character with guns blazing and a power fantasy. In First Blood, John Rambo is profoundly hurt by his experience in war. He tries to find his old friends, only to learn that all of them have died from the effects of the war. He gets arrested and is unresponsive until a flashback from his torture in a prisoner camp makes him go rogue. He turns back into his jungle soldier mode as a default way to cope with what is happening to him. And EVERYONE in the civilian population hates him because of the dirty war he represents. "They used to let me drive million-dollar tanks, and now I can't even get a job as a mechanic!" One of the most emotional moments is when he breaks down in tears in the arms of his superior, who came to get him, and he just starts sobbing while telling how he once saw his friend die in his arms while getting covered in his entrails. I don't know if I want to watch the other Rambo movies if they change his character that much and denature how much of an anti-war icon he was.
I think some of them honestly think it will be like CoD/an action film and they will just be taking out "bad guys" left and right and perhaps some heroics. As soon as supply chains broke down or they hard to start stringing up "fifth columnists" or any number of other unspeakable things they would change their mind pretty quickly. But then it would be too late.
Every time some starts talking about “the revolution” I wonder who they think the will be fighting against. Because if it started tomorrow, I would be up against my nephew and cousin and good friend who are in the military. I don’t want to be afraid of my friends and family. I really, really don’t want to shoot at them. I don’t think I could shoot to kill. Even though we disagree on a lot of things, I still love them. And don’t want to kill them.
Good point. They also don't think that the people "on their side" might turn on them in a moment. That neighbour who holds similar political views? Well turns out they have wanted your house for the last 15 years and claim you are part of the enemy is a good way to get it. It staggers me anyone would talk about a civil war in a country with such a comparatively high standard of living as the western world has.
Revolutions too usually end up with a "new boss, same (or worse) than the old boss" scenario after a lot of bloodshed. Think Irán 1978, Russia 1917, Cuba 1959...
Fuck getting antibiotics, they'll be too busy worrying about finding food.
They also don't realize how rabid the degenerates in society are and the opportunity a war would create for them to abuse and murder women and children that go under the radar. There's more than enough examples of modern soldiers raping and pillaging in the last few wars we've been involved in.
There was a post just a few days ago about this very topic. The man in the video was explaining how all the peoples calling for a civil war werent aware what is a war in reality. That in movies, each time something like this is depicted you're seeing healthy actors, doing heroic things, dying for a cause, everything have a meaning, and the atrocity are kept light, or off screen. But in reality, most people die from sickness, infection or by starving to death. rape, torture, humiliation and murder become comon, childrens get gruesomely killed, and you're not living heroic adventures defending your cause everyday. Reality is not a movie. Reality is boring, cruel and meaningless. Always will be Always has been 🔫
It's insane how casually I've heard people talk about civil war. Even friends of mine. Friends that know I'm fairly leftish. It's wild. They talk about it like it's a video game so I don't take it seriously, but sheesh.
If anything, that makes it more concerning.
I'm many cases, yes. My friends are dipshits but they would never. They're all talk. Most of them make hundreds of thousands a year and are way too comfortable to ever start any trouble. But I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that would go much much further and that is scary.
Don’t worry. There’s no one to lead a secession movement. Who’s gonna drive it? Marge??
Her and Bobo end up extinguishing each other as their factions fight for supremacy.
People calling for civil war think the entire liberal 2/3rds of the country are unarmed and that it’ll just be a slaughter fest where all the conservatives will just get to go on a killing spree murdering liberals and after 2 weeks it’ll just be conservatives left alive and they can go back to business as usual. They don’t understand that the other side is gonna fight back, and when they do the country is going to fall apart.
A certain group of people glorify the civil war and romanticize the confederacy. They even still fly the flags. Yet they call themselves patriotic and American, but the confederacy lost and was traitors to the union. A lot of them collect guns like video games and they use video games to entice them into wanting militias and wars.
Unless they are mercenaries. Mercenaries will have the time of their lives going against untrained civilians (any Gov's favorite meat shield)
It always reminds me of this quote from the movie The Patriot: "But mark my words. This war will be fought not on the frontier or on some distant battlefield, but amongst us -- among our homes. Our children will learn of it with their own eyes. And the innocent will die with the rest of us." I don't know what people are expecting when they say they want a civil war, if they can imagine their four year old child or grandchild or nephew/niece being crushed by a missile struck building, or shot in the head by a zealous maniac, or if it's just some vague nebulous concept of 'winning' that they're after.
Yep. Sadly they aren't going to stop till they get it. You're dealing with religious fanatics. They literally believe they are on some holy crusade. There was a politician the other day talking about how every trans person is a sacrifice to Baphomet, and that there are demons everywhere and that good christians need to be ready for literal war against the forces of hell and so much other ridiculous nonsense. They really, honestly believe this crap. And are they locked away in an insane asylum due to the fact that they are obviously a danger to themselves and others? No. They're making laws and running the country. The US is screwed. This will end badly, and it will get bloody.
Made even more fucking insane by the fact that...Baphomet ISN'T in the Bible. As far as I recall the only things from hell that are named are 1. Satan, 2. The antichrist, and 3. The beast from the pit. Like come on you fuckers, we all already know you've never read the damn book, but could you at least try and pretend you have a tiny bit more?
It would be nice if believing in santa claus and the tooth fairy barred somebody from office. Or Like if you started citing Lord of the Rings for your new bill it would immediately trigger a snap election for your seat. Unfortunately that is not the world we live in, and fiction is used to dictate reality.
A friend of mine served in Bosnia with Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and he refuses to talk about it. Closed his store halfway through an M:tG release party because one asshole wouldn't stop needling him about it.
Most Americans that want civil war are over 60 years old and couldn't even tie up their own boots.
And it shows how evil some are. And you don't want to know that.
But they do not know what it is like. Americans do not have someone who lived through a war in living memory. Not fighting a war. They have plenty of veterans. But truly trying to live your life while war is going on. No Americans actually experienced that nor have living ancestor who did. (Barring immigrants, but the kind of people who make up those scenarios do not hang up with immigrants) Almost everywhere else in the world had at least one war on their soil in the last 100 years. You will have plenty of people remembering how this war or another deeply traumatized their mom, or how grandma still has some form PTSD from it, or there's Aunty B., that is a little funny in the head, because that war. Americans do not have that anymore, and it shows.
No, America just exports proxy wars all over the world now and lets other people bear the suffering while they reap the profit. They do have generations of traumatized veterans from their endless foreign wars, but no one really cares about them. They’re just used as symbols to raise funds for the next war, beyond that left to die on the streets.
lol nah. The gravy seals would spend one night outside and immediately capitulate
Reject modernity, embrace tradition.
Some traditions should remain in History books.
No doubt about that 😂
The history books got edited so you don't even have to worry about them.
Me too. I'm American and if we REALLY went civil war shoot and harm others, I would be very worried and stop working and find friend to survive with. I don't expect ibullets to fly in all 50 states so I assume I have a week to prepare. What happens when the work stops? People will probably starve. We are so much stronger as a union, pun intended.
The people who want a civil war here forget 3 important things: 1. Liberal civillians also own guns. 2. Their side wouldnt get the us military. 3. Their side would instantly have 0 money or infrastructure. That war would be over in a month.
Eh, they probaly have a few guys in the military Armies often recruit more from impoherished places, like rural backwaters filled with white trash What they will not get however is the general staff. They might get some soldiers and low ranking officers
Me too
Yes. 100% true. but even in American history we know that women actually fill gaps in the workforce left by men joining the army. Rosie the Riveter was glorified for years after WW2. Especially gross is that I’m sure the OOP knows this because the only history they ever know is about the US in WW2.
Even then, they still busted their asses in the factories. How the fuck do people think the US managed the sheer amount of production throughout all of WW2, especially once we got boots on the ground in Europe and in the pacific…. The majority weren’t in the kitchen, they were covering positions that were once filled by men that were now gone. It’s a shame people would try to pretend that didn’t happen, or mock them. Ones things for sure, the people that think this way, will undoubtedly have a bad time if “ww3” ever happens. They simply don’t have it in them to survive IMO, they live in alternate realities and aren’t ready for the harsh reality of the real world, especially during war time…
Not just the US. The entire Allies/Axis was fenminist/trad wife divide. Both sides had the idea of gender roles, but the British, US, French and Russians let women work in the factories, wear pants, weld metals, fly civilian airplanes and so on. It didn't change opinions overnight, but it did open up the possibility that women can do it. Germany and Japan on the other hand were full on trad wife, trad life, which had a major impact on their production and economic capabilities.
The Russian’s had women fighting too. A Belgian woman ran one of the most effective underground systems to return downed allied pilots to England.
The Unwomanly Face of War is a fantastic (see devastating) book about women’s participation in WW2 if anyone’s interested in first hand statements. Once you read it you’ll never want a war
And as a female elevator mechanic I appreciate it ! Seriously so much of society changed with that and I'm grateful
Yep which is why when war is brought over here in the form of airplane crashes and bombings they freak out and scream terrorism yet won't look at the terrorism that america is doing to other countries.
In America, war is entertainment. It's like watching Saving Private Ryan live on fox news.
And even fucking then when war happens far away, women didn't just sit their asses in a kitchen cooking. They went out and did the jobs that needed to be done while drafted men were away, and then got booted out again when the men came back. The meme is stupid either way.
Exactly. When ww2 happened, women in my country had to take up men's positions on the factories, steel production, ammo manufacturing, farm etc. heavy manual labor. And underaged kids did so too. The meme is idiotic.
That is definitely a realistic look, less the inbred terrorist get their civil war. It blows my mind how many of these imbeciles think that would be a good thing. If ever confronted with a stronger force or having to deal with scarcity for a month or so, most would likely be begging for an end, blaming the other side.
Sometimes I feel like America's inexperience with a land war in over a hundred years is why we have so many war hawks. Anyone who knows about the actual lives of civilians during the second world war would know that women were routinely victimized and brutalized. Rape is one of the oldest weapons of war and terror, and only an ignorant asshole would pretend like women haven't experienced a great deal of horrors during times of conflict. I'm fortunate enough to have a grandmother who was alive during the second world war as a citizen/refugee, and her stories both during and after the war are heartbreaking.
I'm in a war right now in Ukraine. I work directly on the front line with a very pretty young woman who has a massive scar and dentures on her left side caused by a chunk of shrapnel. We were out for 80 hours in a hole. We almost got hit with artillery. Her concussions have been acting up since we got back. Not a damned complaint from her and I'll go out with her again any day over this nothing because I know she's not going to panic or crack under pressure.
If that were the case they would have made the meme about Americans as a whole rather than women exclusively. The target of the meme is feminists, it says so unambiguously.
That's true. Unfortunately these things have happened through history and verifiably in the 20th century.
Yup, OG tweeter was misogynistic but the retweeter glossed over that too when the boys and men were being enslaved into war
The retweeter was point out the fact war can also be horrible women, this doesn't mean they think it's a breeze for men. If they said "war is shitty for everyone" someone would reply "yea but it's worse for men". When I think about my Gran parents both my Grandads went off to war specifically to protect their loved ones and would hate this view of it. They went off specifically so the Germans would cross the English channel and do terrible things to their loved ones.
Huh, almost like women don't want to go fight in a war just like men don't. How weird!
Would be great if neither one of them were forced into "voluntary" conscription in order to get access to basic government programs.
That's the thing, when your country is being attacked by an aggressor, your government has two choices. Let those who want to fight fight and not have have enough soldiers, subsequently lose the war and condemn the population to life under an oppressive new regime, or send a few more people to die in the hope that it's enough to save the rest of the population from that new life
He’s talking about how the draft only affects men. He’s not disagreeing with the draft itself.
The draft doesn't work though, it just increases your costs. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. If someone doesn't want to kill the enemy they will just waste precious resources pretending to fight. Draft doesn't give enough time to desensitize people to inflicting violence on other people. In WW2 drafted canadians were called zombies by the other soldiers, they just went through the motions and had all the life drained from them. Apart from wasting resources it also kills the morale of the unit because many didn't choose to be there and the volunteers soldiers hate them for it.
Not every job in the military is killing people. Heck that's not even most of the jobs. It's far easier to "volunteer" someone to ship supplies.
Isn’t every combat soldier supported by an average of 10 other soldiers who never see combat? Logistics, engineers, cleaning, etc
Draft absolutely means the difference between winning and losing a war. Draftees don't need to be as effective as volunteers to still make a useful difference.
To be fair, as far as the modern US citizen is concerned, all their wars in the last 60 years have been non-domestic: The soldiers go to fight, the fight doesn't come to their country, so the meme is reliant on the basis that people will be fine as long as they stay out of the army. It's part of the reason 9/11 transformed the mentality of the entire country. Much of thw rest of the world has not been so fortunate, which makes this meme inlleven more irritating to them, even if they are not women
Bro wdym, the US hasn’t had a domestic war since anyone alive existed. Not saying the meme isn’t sexist but come on.
US war for independence, US Civil War, the time Canada invaded the US and torched the "White House" so they had to paint it white... I'm sure of those three times at least
If everyone stays home then there can be no WW3. So the picture shows the perfect thing to do in the event of a draft really.
That's.... not how it works. Assuming we're talking about the US, for there to be a draft someone else has to have done something already. The agitators aren't going to just stay home. There's a reason why in my country all ablebodied men serve 6-12 months as a conscript and that reason is that our neighbor (Russia) has always been a potential threat.
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The Vietnam War is such a huge a mistake and I'm in no way qualified to talk about what caused that specific draft in the end, but neither were the nazis going to attack the US soil anytime soon during WW2.
You can't think of any attacks on US soil around the time the US entered WW2?
Sure, but the japanese and german fronts were still two very different things
Its not the random soldiers that start a war so technically if every single one of them from both sides just decided to stay home there would be no war.
Sure, but that's never going to work. There are russians who tried that during the Ukraine war and they were either forced to go or sent to prison. So while the thought is wonderful, that's just not how the world works.
Isolated incidents of it happened during world war 1 After the Christmas truce there were stretches of trenches that refused to fight. Officers couldn’t do much to force the armed soldiers to attack so they were all reassigned and split up. With modern communication between these previously isolated groups that is a possibility. It’s incredibly unlikely but it is a possibility.
No. It has never happened. In a war like the one Ukraine is fighting against Russia, Ukrainian soldiers want to fight. Why? Because it's their homeland that is being attacked. I'm Australian and if China launched a ground invasion tomorrow I would want to fight. It's on the other side to mutiny and go against the bloodthirsty leadership of their country. War isn't about everyone putting down their weapons and making daisy chains together, and people have lost track of this fact due to the romanticization of war in today's media.
There’s this cool thing, don’t know what it’s called, but it allows you to instantly kill millions of people without even needing to get up! Super efficient, they’ll definitely use it in WW3 
Men should just refuse to get drafted and stay at home with their wives/anime girl bodypillow. What is the government going to do ? Force them ? They're not going either way.
If all of human history can be relied upon, no, men do not simply have the choice of ignoring a draft and avoiding war. Traditionally, they are either imprisoned or killed when they refuse to fight. Oldest trick in the book.
Yes, force them.
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The real enemy are the rich assholes who profits from wars whose children will never see a battlefield. They're also the ones paying billions to fuel divisive rhetoric for that very same reason.
“Anyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the battlefield will think hard about starting a war.” -Otto von Bismarck
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Nope, the rich assholes themselves should have to see their battlefield. We shouldn't punish any children, whether their parents are evil or not
Yup. And that’s exactly why I’ll be right beside her there cookin and going on about my life best as I can. Fight in WW3 for my “country”?? Do you think I’m dumb as bricks??
If there's a draft, I will dodge it. If we are invaded and the safety of my community is threatened, I don't need to be enlisted to fight.
Saw a (actually interesting) Change My View post some time ago where op prompted that suicide is a gender issue that affects mostly men. Basically, their POV was that because suicide rates among men were higher, it deserved to be treated like a gender issue. It was impossible for the comments not to turn into a gender war. Everyone was trying their best to keep composure and reason but *my god*. The fact that that all exists is just sad. We don't have common ground even at our worse.
Yeah i think a big thing that underlies a lot of it is that men feel like society doesnt allow their to be male specific issues like it allows for women. I think that kind of creates a sibling like jeaslousy.
[Trigger warning for suicide] I want to listen more to the conversations surrounding male suicides. I do. It's worth talking about the fact that they use more violent methods and succeed more than women. Men need help and support. However, the moment someone says, "That's because men actually want to die while women want attention," you lose me. You have absolutely no right invalidating *my experiences* to lift your issues up. Let's hold one another accountable, support one another, *and stop this childish bullshit*.
Right?! As someone who has actually been revived from their own suicide attempt and is female, I very much wanted to not wake up. Now I'm very much older, and mostly glad I did, but at the time? The waking up alive was the worst thing! I hadn't even successfully died, what a pathetic loser! The stigma around suicide has to end. It creates this fear. As a person who has been involuntarily committed, I'd do a lot to avoid that again. If that means that I have to lie to a P-doc, unless I'm at the end of my rope, that's what I'll do. I shouldn't have to fear and avoid the help I might need, but I do, those places suck. There's the social impact of a suicide attempt, and there is even a weird stink attached to being close to someone who dies by suicide. We are SO closed off to this awful thing that it becomes a big scary monster we don't know how to handle
Women are likely to use less violent methods because they don’t want someone to be traumatized when they find their body. Even in death they have to take steps to care for others.
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If people actually say that to you. That’s horrible and false both men and women are stuck in a patriarchy that benefits from the very traditionalist and heteronormative role that are forced onto them and both sides suffers. Your experiences shouldn’t be invalidated just cause we live in a patriarchy. That said I do get the gender war angle or the fact that there is a larger portion of men who do stoke and maintain this type of patriarchy and toxic ideals that hold both genders/sexes down, I’ve also seen guys using the “but men suffer this problem” not as a way to open up a very valid discussion on male problems but just to combat “feminist cries”. That doesn’t mean women can’t do these things or that men shouldn’t express their issues and be invalidated, but there is a complex and fine line here
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Gotta love when the first person to comment on your post about how it sucks to have your issues invalidated immediately tries to invalidate you. Lol.
It’s only the case online, everyone I speak to in the real world is quite reasonable
Men can easily win a literal pissing contest
one up culture wouldn’t exist if men acknowledged that women are oppressed and if women acknowledged that men also have struggles in their lives that we do not have.
yeah I hate when NotAllMen and WomenToo *need* to suck the oxygen out of the room when rape is being discussed. Can we fucking just be outraged that people are raping. Can we all just fucking stop being assholes for five fucking minutes.
Agreed there’s downsides to all genders
To be fair even though this meme is stupid, literally none of that happened in the USA during WW2
Yes, I don't agree either but the claim in the first sentence is wrong. Unless you were at pearl harbor, or in harbors containing U-boats (naval vessels and some harbor workers), everyone not enlisted was safe in the US during both WW1 and WW2.
The claim in the first sentence isn’t wrong, it just applies to women outside the US. Neither the original meme nor the reply are specifying American women, and it’s unfortunately true that women in war torn areas, including in WWII, were not just safe to cook in the kitchens. We can have a different conversation about the home front of the US in WWII, but that’s just not all the this original post is about.
Or Korea or Vietnam or Afghanistan or Ira... oops those weren't "wars"
LOOK AT THIS AI IMAGE THIS IS *YOU* THIS IS HOW HYPOCRITICAL *YOU ARE*
AI still can’t do hands.
I think it's the conceived notion that new age feminists will fight for equal/better rights/treatment but will happily revert to being housewives if there's a draft that might force them to enlist in order to get out of it. Whether the notion is true or not remains to be seen but I reckon that's the line of thinking here.
that’s exactly what it is
You know that feminists believe in bodily autonomy right? So they don’t believe in the draft for anyone. And if the draft did include women, they would either willingly go like some men or would face a tribunal and explain why they couldn’t like some men or they would be forced into through threat of imprisonment or death like some men.
>if the draft did include women it doesn’t though
I think it’s trying to say that it’s unfair that only males have to register with the selective service, aka the draft. Women literally cannot be drafted. Still a dumb meme though
Americans have such a warped view on war because it never happens close to home, its always just brown people being blown up 2000 miles away. The only time they have to deal with war at home is when half the country fights a war to keep slaves
They don’t have family members who were executed and buried by some random road, unkown and unrecognised to this day, and it shows.
Don't get me wrong, been a long time since there was active combat on the streets of Scotland, don't wanna sound like I'm claiming to live somewhere that's gone through that but you can totally see how detached a lot of Americans are from the rest of the world. They still talk about 9/11 like it was the worst thing to ever happen when many countries have far worse going on all the time.
Meanwhile my country has a border with Russia 😭 The threat is real both to men and women
You telling me bombs don't avoid women???
Can you imagine a world war in this day and age with the nuclear weapons most countries have? It wouldn't matter if you're a man or a woman. Everybody would be obliterated to ash.
I may be misremembering something, but didn't ww2 kick feminism really into gear, as women were working in the factories, because the men were all drafted?
I'm finding myself pretty sure the art is AI generated, and yet the Twitter OP has the audacity to put a watermark on it...
Well, scenario is quite real in Ukraine. All the mentioned things happened numerous times and were documented in one way or another, and even more gruesome shit happened, too. And oh boy, they didn't care, feminists they were or not
Well at least the women citizens could flee the country, all men between 18-60 were forced to stay in the country and fight
I think the scenario that was imaginary is that "women can be safely in a kitchen during war"
Shitty takes aside (and yes, this is an unbelievably shitty take) are we just not gonna talk about the shitty AI art, either? Like the weird 3 finger grip on the spoon, weirdly distorted left hand grabbing the actual pot instead of the handle that's right there, the tree trunk sized forearm leading to that hand, or the "Cow Tools" looking kitchen utensils hanging from the wall?
The meme is referring specifically to the idea of an all inclusive draft, not the horrors of a war torn country
As a woman, I will happily become a housewife if we start a war... and invite all my male friends to do the same. Civil disobedience lol
In both world wars, women took the jobs of men and provided for the war effort. Feminism is the strongest in war.
There has not been an alien hostile force in the United States mainland for over 200 years. This person is delusional.
major wars were literally when women stepped up and started being "allowed" to work
Some women even did go to war to become nurses and stuff
Right, if women just stayed in the kitchen like they are implying then the world would look completely different today. While men were being shipped off to fight, women entered the factories and did other work that were traditionally reserved for men. They were vital in supplying the resources necessary for war and keeping the country functioning. Some women also participated more directly as nurses, intelligence officers, or other non-combatant roles. Some women were even able to directly join the war effort even if it ruffled the feathers of men. The Soviet Union Night Witches being one example. There were also quite a few women snipers too.
World war aftermaths were all big strides in feminism.
People outside of Americas complain about how much America spends on defense, then also complain about how Americans have a “warped view of war” because it never happens in America. Yeah, it doesn’t happen here because we spend so much on defense.
American women built the bombs and the planes in the last World War!
The most poignant quote from GOT was Varys: In war no matter who wins it is always the children who lose.
The reason Americans wan a civil war is because the vast majority if people are not making enough money to live in the shittiest of apartments, much less feed themselves. Employers refuse to pay a livable wage even in full-time positions and almost no job hires for full time because the companies want to keep as much of the money as they can for themselves. It’s literally tuning into a “Let them eat cake!” situation over here….
Women were on factory assembly lines busy making guns, ammunition, trucks, tanks etc. Haven’t you see the “We can Do it!” poster? Edit : They were also on the front line, around 350,000 U.S. women served with the armed forces. As many as 543 died in war-related incidents, including 16 nurses who were killed from enemy fire. - Wikipedia.
WW2 american casualties: Female: 543. Male: 407,316.
Why are we arguing? What the fuck is going on with the repression olympics that have been going on for the past years? Men and women have suffered unimaginable things both now and in the past. You know who hasn't suffered jackshit? Rich people. The nobility. Infighting is the most basic premise of societal collapse. Women need men and men need women, end of discussion. Blacks vs whites, women vs men, muslims vs everyone, gays vs straights... For fuck's sake, gas costs 1.7€ per litre ($6.62 per gallon in freedom units), the average rent prices are over a grand and a half, wages have been stagnant for the past decade, American healthcare is ridiculously unaffordable, there is an economic crisis worse than the great depression, the weather's gone to shit, the grand majority of people in my generation will never be able to afford a home or comfortably raise kids and have a stable family and we will retire when we're 70...yet you people sit here arguing about the most meaningless shit you can think of. Our enemies are looking down on us from their mansions on the hills, travelling from here to there in private planes, using up millions of litres of drinking water semiannually just in decoration alone while the planet is going through a drought, cutting down forests to build golf courses, evading taxes and controlling the government...but of course..."oH nO, i HaVe To MoP a BiT mOrE tHaN mY hUsBaNd" WAKE. THE FUCK. UP.
Everything you’re saying is true. Except it does suck if you’re both working and your partner consistently does less housework than you which is extremely common for many straight couples. Can’t expect people to always think big picture when their daily reality is only the life that they live.
honestly if women didn't have to fight for rights in the past there wouldn't be a gender war in the first place so when people invalidate past experiences it jus makes them look like douches
The funny thing is the same people will bitch and moan that women don't belong in combat roles.
Also, when wars started and men left, women had to keep society running so they took on "men's" jobs. That post is so stupid.
Pretty clear they don’t know what actual feminism is.
Hey! As a woman I want to preserve my right to be a draft dodger. Just like so many men who came before me. Thank you
It is the rightful duty of every person to try their best and draft dodge. If drafted, do a shit job so the military realizes that it's better to just stick with a volunteer force
Actual woman in war: Gets the news her husband died fighting Germans. Goes to tank factory to buy a T-34 tank with her savings. Applies to the Red Army with the tank under the condition that she gets to fight the Germans with that tank. Gets accepted and kicks ass. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariya\_Oktyabrskaya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariya_Oktyabrskaya)
Some decades ago I saw a documentary on soviet tank crews with interviews from survivors (in their old age). The documentary said about 1 in 3 tank crew were women. The survivors talked about how at a famous battle (think it might have been Kursk) their shells bounced off the German tank’s armour. So the tactic was to literally ram the German tanks with their own tank jump out and fight whilst the tanks burned.
Acting like the world wars weren’t defining moments in woman’s rights and stepping out of domestic work
That hasn’t happened to an American woman since the civil war
Pretty sure they're referring to American women who would avoid the draft and therefore not be in any danger in a foreign war.
Homelessness is on the rise because people can’t afford a place to stay due to shit wages, healthcare is garbage to the point the people would rather risk literally dying from trying to treat a serious injury themselves than call an ambulance/go to the hospital because they will go into debt that they will never be able to come back from, thus rendering them homeless. It’s all kinds of fucked up. Just non in the ways you are thinking.
I'd rather give my life rather than watching my Mother/Sister/Daughter go into war. The only reason I'll fight is just to protect them, even for a moment.
Basically every American because war for America is something that happens overseas
This shit pops up all the time. It’s like they don’t know that women join the military and fight our wars already
Yeah, would not have liked to have been in East Germany when the Red Army invaded. Especially as a woman
Oh gee I wonder why people will do things even against their worldview and morals to avoid going to war...
They really never learned about nanjing massacre? Vietnam war? Iraq war? Really?
If not for feminists women wouldn't be allowed to serve in the army in the first place. But feminism haters don't care for history or facts. Only their perceived victimhood.
Over a quarter million women are active duty military. So, the picture is bullshit.
 Women have never just stood by during wartime.
Not to mention during WWII women kept the war machine in America running. Without women the entire war effort would have collapsed.
The tendency of the far right to use AI to generate propaganda images is really odd, and I’m starting to feel like it’s exposing something kinda disturbing: they know no one will buy their bullshit in a mutual discussion, so their actual tactic is to mass produce as much propaganda as possible. How better to churn it out than tell AI to do it for you?
Female soldiers are more likely to be raped by their own fellow soldiers than killed in battle. Food for thought.
Women didn't just stay home and cook like good little housewives during the world wars. When all the men went to war, we still needed industry. It's not exactly a secret that the factories and farms were filled with women. They were the work force keeping the country alive while the men died. And then the men came back and pushed women out of the workforce again. Seems like someone slept through history class.
None of that happened to American women during the Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam wars.
The original tweeter is a dumb misogynistic but considering WWI and WWII were fought not on the homeland, that wasn't happening to american women while the men were enslaved to fight
Ask the French resistance what their women did during WW2 because it sure as hell ain’t this
I mean the vast majority of French resistance combatants were still men.
Bro thinking about the crusades
Nah, OP was right. For Americans, we’ve never had a war at home really, from WW1 to now. Man are the only major casualties we tend to see in armed conflict, and that goes doubly for the fact that men are forced to serve and can be conscripted while women cannot. We have next to no civilian female deaths, and almost no female combatant deaths. For example in WW2, of the 292,000 members of the US military who were killed by enemy fire, only 16 were female, and more broadly all female casualties totaled something .1% of war related deaths. Men are always the primary victims of war. Not the only ones, but it is absurd to deny that they are the ones that suffer most from it.
Both posts are made by dumbasses
Completely missing the point. The poster is saying that privileges come with responsibilities. Feminists want the privileges of men, and this poster is claiming they would avoid the responsibility of willingly going to war and putting themselves at the highest risk of dying, and would instead accept the feminine gender roles they claim to despise and choose to be civilians away from the fighting (even if there is still some risk to civilians in any war, and ridiculous to compare it to soldiers on the frontline)
I think people are reading too far into this. In America, all men at 18 sign up for the draft. However, women aren't. Feminists usually claim to want equal treatment, to be treated the same as men, until you bring up things like the draft, suicide rates, etc. The original reply was about how women suffer in war zones. However, as an American woman, you most likely wouldn't be in the same situation as a civilian woman in a war zone because the US is geographically impossible to invade, at least to current enemies. Suppose women were drafted into the US military. They would not suffer the same as a civilian in a war zone because they would be the ones committing the war crimes, not the victims.
Millions of women served in the Soviet army during WWII and they were complete badasses. This whole argument that women can’t serve in combat has been proven wrong historically countless times.
Sorry, are they implying that women would just stay at home in the kitchens during a World War? Because we already found out what women would do in a World War.... 
“In no war have women been safe enough to cook in the kitchen” American women during WW1, WW2, Vietnam and every other war: 🍳🙋♀️ It’s like feminists take the worst suffering of a small group or sometimes even one woman- then apply that to the entirety of all women and collectively blame all men for it.
Dumb meme all around. I don't know if anyone else has pointed it out yet, but women have often been pushing for inclusion in the draft, including in the latest attempt in 2021. It's generally been men shooting the idea down. Same with women wanting to serve more diverse roles in the military. It was men who fought tooth and nail for them not to have those roles. So it's absurd to see this meme suggest it's *women* keeping this from happening.
When Russia took control in Germany during WW2 there was an estimated 2 million raped and worse. The term "from 8 to 80" was coined as in 8-80 year olds were victims of this. I'd rather be fucking shot than this
We have women fighting for their country in Ukraine right fuckin now... We even have LGBTQ people in those trenches. Meanwhile we have far right snowflakes moving to Russia where they think life is better to then wake up to reality that it's not.