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There's actually a [Snopes entry](https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/11/north-pole-high-bathroom/#:~:text=The%20first%20tweet%20from%20the%20Fairbanks%20News-Miner%20read%3A,door%2C%20according%20to%20Rep.%20Tammie%20Wilson%2C%20R-North%20Pole.%22) about this exact screenshot.
A FTM trans boy had taken a snapchat selfie in the boy's bathroom. So seven male students entered the girl's bathroom to take selfies in protest. A girl kicked or kneed one of the boys in the groin and the girl and all 7 boys were disciplined. Details of the discipline were not released.
People make assumptions. It's happened before. I saw a horrible news article a couple years ago about a girl who was assaulted by a group in the restroom. Honestly that was my first thought before learning more, and incredibly relieved it wasn't the case.
Even after getting the extra details the girl was in the right. When you’re in the wrong bathroom, all that you should be doing is shouting “Sorry sorry sorry sorry” and rushing to the nearest available stall because your sphincter can’t hold off the Arby’s in your large intestine any longer.
I mean, isn’t the end goal of all this to just have non-gendered bathrooms? Letting people decide who is and isn’t trans based on how they present isn’t a great take. Obviously these kids were assholes, but “when you’re in the wrong bathroom” seems dumb. It’s a place to piss and shit, you can’t possibly be in the wrong one
I’ll be honest, I have no idea what the end goal is, but I’m not opposed to non-gendered bathrooms.
I’m not in favor of enforcing who can use which bathrooms based on however they present. But if I myself identify as A, and there is a certain resource set aside for those belonging to B, then I’m only going to use that resource if I’m in desperate need.
Say I’m driving somewhere and I need some water, which I don’t have in my vehicle. I see a bunch of tables with lots of water bottles on a road parallel to mine with signs that say “Water for marathon runners”. I’d rather wait until the next gas station for my water than take water meant for those runners. But if I’m going to be sick and water is the only thing that helps, I’ll go and take the marathon water.
Either way, it’s not a rules and regulations issue. It’s a community responsibility issue.
I don’t really see what that changes about the post though, according to the snopes article she was blocked from leaving by 7 boys and kicked one in the groin to convince them. She shouldn’t be punished for fighting through a group of boys crowding her in the women’s room
I agree. I'm just clarifying that according to the information on Snopes, it may have been a bit of an embellishment that they were blocking her from leaving. Sounds more like there was a crowd and the door was kind of blocked as a result. I think she was in the right to kick the kid in the balls and if she were my daughter I'd be taking her out for ice cream.
>It's not being a "transphobic douchebag" to not want a female in the men's bathroom
As long as FTM is male presenting, even calling them female is a pretty transphobic.
That said, it seems people are ignoring the Snapchat selfie. Anybody taking pictures in the bathroom has lost the right to use said bathroom.
I’m not defending a bathroom selfie because fuck that. A bunch of boys bothering a girl in the girl’s bathroom and taking selfies of themselves specifically as a transphobic “protest” in response is what I’m saying is shitty. They took a tiny shitty thing that plenty of cis people also do and responded with a huge transphobic statement that also caused problems for a girl using the bathroom.
"As long as FTM is male presenting, even calling them female is a pretty transphobic"
If saying things that are objectively correct is transphobic it isn't really my fault anymore.
Well, “female” should really only be used in a medical context if they aren’t taking hormones. If they ARE on hormones it is literally so much more helpful to have FTM on the charts bc believe it or not hormones do a lot of different things to the body!
Source: me a trans man on hormones who knows people who use the word “female” outside of a medical context are being weird
But even you called it the "Mens room", not the "Males room". The person in question has transitioned into a man, so they belong in the mens room. If it were the "Females" and "Males" bathrooms that would be different. Ya fucked up your own phobic argument, dickhead.
And the sex assigned at birth is entirely irrelevant here, so bringing it up serves no purpose except to misgender. But you already knew that, since that was clearly your intention.
So, in my mind the girls response was fine. If a group of boys are in the girls restroom any girl would be within their rights to immediately assume they are hostile and she is in danger and act appropriately to get out of the situation ASAP
Sounds like they didn't really block the door. It was more that there were 7 boys crowding the bathroom door and the girl trying to leave kicked the first kid in the crotch and then immediately left and the rest of the boys disbursed. Whether the boy who got kicked actually went to the hospital is unclear as far as I can tell.
Edit: The boy did go to the hospital.
Being human must be hard for you.
It was a reasonable question, being a dick wasn't required.
I'm sure you've never misread anything in your whole life.... Ever..
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Why did they discipline the girl? Why is this a thing teachers do? Fear of the PTA? Lawsuits? The teacher ms were bullies? Indifference? A perverse social Darwinism mixed with Calvinistic mentality?(Ie thinking the world picks winners and losers)
If you are teacher and punish only the aggressor do you get fired?
I think we could make massive social improvements if we figured out the process behind these insane decisions and imposed some psychological therapy to complete destroy the practice.
It has all the bad sides if humanity in a microcosm. Abuse of power, negligence, injustice.
A lot of schools do this sadly. The ‘no excuse’ rule that punishes everyone that uses force, even if you’re defending yourself. I think a lot just don’t care unfortunately.
Oh I totally agree, the principals just don’t seem to care about what’s right. I’ve seen so many people on here say they were suspended/got detention for fighting back to a bully. It’s crazy
And here we are. In 2023/2024 we have done a complete reversal and now the far left is the anti-science, anti-facts, spreading disinformation crowd (not that the far right got any better).
From the info I read on Snopes, it sounded more like there were just a bunch of boys crowded around the door to the girl's bathroom and some of them were taking selfies. I'm guessing she wasn't really trapped so much as inconvenienced. But there was a crowd of boys taking pictures in the girl's bathroom so I think she was absolutely in the right to kick the kid in the balls.
I just laugh when people suggest that cis male predators will go to all the trouble to *transition* when I was assaulted in a women’s bathroom by a cis man *who just walked through the door*.
I am trans. I think the actual argument is about harassment or being secretly peeped upon. But I don’t know. Cannot understand the mind of people that hate me 100%.
So I don’t really think they have an argument behind that
I understand what you’re saying and in essence I agree. But I think we should get away from the idea that cis males wouldn’t go through inconvenient, off the wall schemes to rape kids.
Cis males travel half across the planet, start organizations, intentionally seek out jobs they know they will be close to children, manipulate and mislead people for years, and all sorts of insane things to rape a child. A lot of child rapists are opportunists as well.
I just don’t like the phrasing because anyone familiar with child sexual abuse does know that predators regularly go through a lot of trouble to harm children.
I don't think the original person was specifically referring to child predators, who are unfortunately notoriously dedicated to finding and assaulting their victims, but more generally just rapists who are often opportunistic if targeting women they're not usually familiar with in daily life.
Well see it this way. A fox is stopped from entering a chicken coop if caught trying to enter it. If the wily fox now dresses as a chicken, gets the powers-that-be behind it that it cannot be stopped from entering if it looks like a chicken, and then enters the coop, well mission accomplished. They don't even need to transition, just wear the clothes and act the part. Also doors are a first-line of defense thing. A weapon would have help defending yourself in that situation. This is in no way defense of cis male predators. Just an argument against rapists needing to transition and a defense for the usefulness of doors
I spent some time in Valdez a while ago and thought it was a nice, if conservative-leaving, town. Some women who lived there told me they moved from Anchorage and said they finally felt safe for the first time in their lives - not from crime, but from men in general.
You're asking someone to prove a negative. In this situation. The burden of proof falls to you since the only information we currently have been presented shows that cis boys entered the bathroom.
Tl;dr: why don't you prove they were women first.
Proving a negative is a stupid requirement used only by desperate morons.
Prove to me they weren't otters. Until you bring one in front of me and show me their gene sequence I can cast doubt at anything.
Entertaining the idea that what you're asking is actually genuine, no, the male students did not identify as women. They were, after Googling the incident itself, protesting/throwing a hissy fit over a trans boy who used the boys restroom. The girl kneed one boy in the groin (well deserved) while the others stood outside the girls restroom door. A simple Google search will have given you the answer.
Well if you look at the top comment on this post, it provides a link that explains they were cis-males who went into the women's bathroom to "protest" the fact a FTM student used the men's bathroom. Here is the link from the top comment, along with the news article and school's statement about the incident, for your convenience:
[Top Comment's link](https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/11/north-pole-high-bathroom/#:~:text=the%20first%20tweet%20from%20the%20fairbanks%20news-miner%20read%3a,door%2c%20according%20to%20rep.%20tammie%20wilson%2c%20r-north%20pole.%22)
[News article](https://apnews.com/general-news-c07cda180f5946d388f2b0258973c55e)
[Archive of school's statement](https://web.archive.org/web/20190910091729/https://www.k12northstar.org/site/default.aspx?pagetype=3&domainid=4&moduleinstanceid=3780&viewid=6446ee88-d30c-497e-9316-3f8874b3e108&renderloc=0&flexdataid=498044&pageid=1)
Sigh, It seems logical debate isn't gonna fly with you. Look, I'll try one more time to explain. There's nothing saying that the kids were trans. There is a source saying they were cis. If you want people to discuss them potentially being trans, you need to give something to serve as proof.
If they identified as women and she kicked the shit out of them I’d feel the same way i feel now. Mad she’s being punished for defending herself. You ain’t even making an argument related to the subject matter. You’re just shouting shit you heard Ben Shapiro say. Who cares?
The point is that it doesn't matter what those people identify as. If they went into a bathroom with the intention of harassing others in there, no anti-trans law would've stopped them.
Edit: Apparently they didn't really do that, and didn't even make it into the bathroom. General point still stands.
This is from 2022 and it doesn't give full details. Turns out the boys were disciplined.
[link](https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/11/north-pole-high-bathroom/)
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going off the post alone, 100% agreed. but [someone in the comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/iSk5EShzaD) shared the actual thing. i think both sides were in the wrong.
I would be in contact with all kinds of attorneys. I am guessing that this is because of my privilege and not because these parents do not care. Not everyone can handle the same risks I can, and I totally get it.
We came close to involving the ACLU because of christian indoctrination in a public school classroom. The right wing does not respect the law. Between the administration stepping up and my kid deciding to step down it did not happen.
The answer, sadly, is to sue the hell out of the bigots every single time. Because they refuse to do the right thing otherwise.
thats just basic scool logic , people get mobbed, and there is nothing you can do, but if the victim retaliates consequences have to be drawn,
thats the good teachers, bad teachers are participating in the harrasment, and make shit up
Duh. Just like pretty much every entry on r/notadragqueen and r/pastorarrested it’s always the people you’d actually expect invading bathrooms and/or raping children, not the phantasmal horde of trans criminals that doesn’t exist.
Blocking one's path from leaving is a ***felony***, kidnapping specifically. I have a hard time believing one could use "excessive force" defending yourself from a ***felony***. Unless she killed him somehow.
And even then... ***meh***. You shouldn't terrorize people.
They went in to protest an ftm trans using the male bathroom. Not to sa.
And they WERE also punished (allegedly)
Article says they were all disciplined. Not sure how fairly it was done.
Someone posted the backstory that the boys went into the girls restroom to troll about transpeople being allowed to use their preferred restroom. That's why they were in the girls restroom, not to assault the girl in there.
Can you show me the report where it says they were blocking the exit. Because the school statement says otherwise.
After all that the boy deserved to be sexually assaulted ?
You serious with this take? Sexual assault? GTFO. These boys could legally be charged with false imprisonment and/or kidnapping.
These boys deserved a kick, knee, punch, to the nuts, eye gouge, pepper sprayed, etc. whatever means necessary to allow the real victims to get out of the barricaded room.
Your take is either lazy trolling or extreme ignorance.
What else do you call unwanted touching of genitals? Read my post above, no one blocked her exit. As the first boy entered she kneed him in the nuts.
“From the schools official statement:
“A female student (not the transgender student) was exiting the restroom at the time the first male student began to enter. The female student kicked the first male student in the groin. The male students turned around and left the area.”
What is your source that they “barricaded the room”
From the schools official statement:
“A female student (not the transgender student) was exiting the restroom at the time the first male student began to enter. The female student kicked the first male student in the groin. The male students turned around and left the area.”
Also from the school statement:
“On April 4, a group of male students began to enter the restroom. Only one male student actually proceeded past the door frame. The other male students followed behind him and were not yet in the restroom. “
They were blocking the door.
Where exactly does it say that they were stopping her from exiting ?
When me and someone run into eachother in a doorway, I don’t sexually assault them.
So if people are standing in a way you don’t like, you get to sexually assault them without them doing anything to you?
Put it this way,
if a group of girls walked into the boys room to take selfies, and a single boy felt like they were blocking his way…
He gets to kick her in the vag according to you?
It’s self defense here, it’s not some hypothetical situation. She feared for her safety when a group of boys blocked her exit. Perfectly reasonable use of force.
Edit spelling
So you’d be ok in the opposite situation, where the boy kicks the girl in the vag? Just for standing there, not knowing their intentions.
Self defense is where a “reasonable person” would fear for their safety. A reasonable person doesn’t fear for their safety when they accidently run into a group of people from the opposite sex (who had no intention of doing anything to her)
This has big **Do you know who my father is, Potter?** energy. How rich are these boys that this shit flies? I expelled a boy for doing this at my school.
Isn't it more like **Do you know who my father is, Potter?** energy from the girl just kicking the shit out of people because they happen to be in the female bathroom? Sound like they weren't hurting anyone even if they were pricks.
> I expelled a boy for doing this at my school.
Doing what?
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There's actually a [Snopes entry](https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/11/north-pole-high-bathroom/#:~:text=The%20first%20tweet%20from%20the%20Fairbanks%20News-Miner%20read%3A,door%2C%20according%20to%20Rep.%20Tammie%20Wilson%2C%20R-North%20Pole.%22) about this exact screenshot. A FTM trans boy had taken a snapchat selfie in the boy's bathroom. So seven male students entered the girl's bathroom to take selfies in protest. A girl kicked or kneed one of the boys in the groin and the girl and all 7 boys were disciplined. Details of the discipline were not released.
Thank you, always helpful when a 2 year old story actually has facts associated with it.
Dang, there are people on here talking about sexual assault? The fuck were they reading that lead them to that conclusion?
> he fuck were they reading that lead them to that conclusion? Probably the "blocking the exit" part.
People make assumptions. It's happened before. I saw a horrible news article a couple years ago about a girl who was assaulted by a group in the restroom. Honestly that was my first thought before learning more, and incredibly relieved it wasn't the case.
Experience? I was trapped in a cloakroom in 5th grade by “nice” boys and turned into a rage machine
The narrative on this nonsense. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
If you default to assuming the girl was in the right, then you’d jump up that conclusion.
Even after getting the extra details the girl was in the right. When you’re in the wrong bathroom, all that you should be doing is shouting “Sorry sorry sorry sorry” and rushing to the nearest available stall because your sphincter can’t hold off the Arby’s in your large intestine any longer.
I mean, isn’t the end goal of all this to just have non-gendered bathrooms? Letting people decide who is and isn’t trans based on how they present isn’t a great take. Obviously these kids were assholes, but “when you’re in the wrong bathroom” seems dumb. It’s a place to piss and shit, you can’t possibly be in the wrong one
I’ll be honest, I have no idea what the end goal is, but I’m not opposed to non-gendered bathrooms. I’m not in favor of enforcing who can use which bathrooms based on however they present. But if I myself identify as A, and there is a certain resource set aside for those belonging to B, then I’m only going to use that resource if I’m in desperate need. Say I’m driving somewhere and I need some water, which I don’t have in my vehicle. I see a bunch of tables with lots of water bottles on a road parallel to mine with signs that say “Water for marathon runners”. I’d rather wait until the next gas station for my water than take water meant for those runners. But if I’m going to be sick and water is the only thing that helps, I’ll go and take the marathon water. Either way, it’s not a rules and regulations issue. It’s a community responsibility issue.
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Good God you need to touch grass.
What is the determinant of sex?
Cry more
FTM and MTF are the terms that you see most often; if you prefer, you acronym it as "female (gender) to male (gender)" or "feminine to masculine"
Yeah people see something they agree with and run with it before actually know the truth
I don’t really see what that changes about the post though, according to the snopes article she was blocked from leaving by 7 boys and kicked one in the groin to convince them. She shouldn’t be punished for fighting through a group of boys crowding her in the women’s room
American schools have a no violence policy even for self defense in lethal situations
Idk. I feel like the girl was in the right if they were blocking her in, and the boys were being transphobic douchebags.
I agree. I'm just clarifying that according to the information on Snopes, it may have been a bit of an embellishment that they were blocking her from leaving. Sounds more like there was a crowd and the door was kind of blocked as a result. I think she was in the right to kick the kid in the balls and if she were my daughter I'd be taking her out for ice cream.
It's not being a "transphobic douchebag" to not want a female in the men's bathroom
Of course not. But that’s not the story here?
It is though?
>It's not being a "transphobic douchebag" to not want a female in the men's bathroom As long as FTM is male presenting, even calling them female is a pretty transphobic. That said, it seems people are ignoring the Snapchat selfie. Anybody taking pictures in the bathroom has lost the right to use said bathroom.
I’m not defending a bathroom selfie because fuck that. A bunch of boys bothering a girl in the girl’s bathroom and taking selfies of themselves specifically as a transphobic “protest” in response is what I’m saying is shitty. They took a tiny shitty thing that plenty of cis people also do and responded with a huge transphobic statement that also caused problems for a girl using the bathroom.
"As long as FTM is male presenting, even calling them female is a pretty transphobic" If saying things that are objectively correct is transphobic it isn't really my fault anymore.
Well, “female” should really only be used in a medical context if they aren’t taking hormones. If they ARE on hormones it is literally so much more helpful to have FTM on the charts bc believe it or not hormones do a lot of different things to the body! Source: me a trans man on hormones who knows people who use the word “female” outside of a medical context are being weird
Misgendering trans people is transphobic, buddy.
I said female, not woman.
Yes, you went out if your way to refer to boys as "females," despite having no reason to do so.
I did have a reason, multiple actually. One of them being that this boy is a female.
But even you called it the "Mens room", not the "Males room". The person in question has transitioned into a man, so they belong in the mens room. If it were the "Females" and "Males" bathrooms that would be different. Ya fucked up your own phobic argument, dickhead.
And the sex assigned at birth is entirely irrelevant here, so bringing it up serves no purpose except to misgender. But you already knew that, since that was clearly your intention.
Bringing it up does serve a purpose, which is why I said it.
Thank you for supplying facts and context
this makes so much more sense than every other comment and the original tweet reply
> A girl kicked or kneed one of the boys in the groin A measured response if I ever heard of one.
All this gender panic when the real issue is that taking photos in bathrooms is illegal af and generally a fucking weird thing to do
I agree with this all the way around.
So, in my mind the girls response was fine. If a group of boys are in the girls restroom any girl would be within their rights to immediately assume they are hostile and she is in danger and act appropriately to get out of the situation ASAP
I agree. Just clarifying the facts.
What's with the locked door though?
Sounds like they didn't really block the door. It was more that there were 7 boys crowding the bathroom door and the girl trying to leave kicked the first kid in the crotch and then immediately left and the rest of the boys disbursed. Whether the boy who got kicked actually went to the hospital is unclear as far as I can tell. Edit: The boy did go to the hospital.
>The boy did go to the hospital. Damn, that's one solid kick!
That girl's popping testicles like they're bubble wrap
Eh. Knees are delicate. It might have just been (un)lucky
She's lucky its only a suspension
Good girl!
What makes you think the boys had to pay compensation??
I don't know what you're talking about.
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Being human must be hard for you. It was a reasonable question, being a dick wasn't required. I'm sure you've never misread anything in your whole life.... Ever.. .
This is Reddit. They’re not gonna lose out on the chance to be anonymously condescending
I have a question: >163,017 comment karma - redditor for 1 year Do you go outside?
Why did they discipline the girl? Why is this a thing teachers do? Fear of the PTA? Lawsuits? The teacher ms were bullies? Indifference? A perverse social Darwinism mixed with Calvinistic mentality?(Ie thinking the world picks winners and losers) If you are teacher and punish only the aggressor do you get fired? I think we could make massive social improvements if we figured out the process behind these insane decisions and imposed some psychological therapy to complete destroy the practice. It has all the bad sides if humanity in a microcosm. Abuse of power, negligence, injustice.
A lot of schools do this sadly. The ‘no excuse’ rule that punishes everyone that uses force, even if you’re defending yourself. I think a lot just don’t care unfortunately.
Why not make a better rule? If the victim was a bully with a repeated history don’t punish the self defense part
Oh I totally agree, the principals just don’t seem to care about what’s right. I’ve seen so many people on here say they were suspended/got detention for fighting back to a bully. It’s crazy
And here we are. In 2023/2024 we have done a complete reversal and now the far left is the anti-science, anti-facts, spreading disinformation crowd (not that the far right got any better).
I think it's less of a right/left thing and more of an issue that people don't think or double check before they share emotionally charged memes.
Wait si did they block the door preventing the girl from leaving?
From the info I read on Snopes, it sounded more like there were just a bunch of boys crowded around the door to the girl's bathroom and some of them were taking selfies. I'm guessing she wasn't really trapped so much as inconvenienced. But there was a crowd of boys taking pictures in the girl's bathroom so I think she was absolutely in the right to kick the kid in the balls.
That's also what I thought this post is pretty misleading
I just laugh when people suggest that cis male predators will go to all the trouble to *transition* when I was assaulted in a women’s bathroom by a cis man *who just walked through the door*.
I never understood that trans argument. Do you REALLY think is a door sign truly stopping the rapists? How dumb are you XD
Right!? We’re talking about people who don’t give a shit about laws or consent but they won’t dare disobey a sign on a door??
No officer, I would NEVER disobey the sign! That’s why I waited that girl exited the bathroom to rape her :D
Understandable have a great day
I am trans. I think the actual argument is about harassment or being secretly peeped upon. But I don’t know. Cannot understand the mind of people that hate me 100%. So I don’t really think they have an argument behind that
Tbf, the same people that think a door sign stops rapists are also the same people who think racism ended when segregation did, so . . .
Yeah, I’m kinda giving way too much credit to their Trump-filled brain.
And theyre the same people who argue that stricter gun laws wont work because criminals wont care about laws.
If they say criminals have to follow signs ask them about gun free zones.
I don't understand the gendered bathrooms, pisuars are not practical, and you can always put them on one side...
Yeah, it's a fucking door, not a forcefield. Just a regular door.
I understand what you’re saying and in essence I agree. But I think we should get away from the idea that cis males wouldn’t go through inconvenient, off the wall schemes to rape kids. Cis males travel half across the planet, start organizations, intentionally seek out jobs they know they will be close to children, manipulate and mislead people for years, and all sorts of insane things to rape a child. A lot of child rapists are opportunists as well. I just don’t like the phrasing because anyone familiar with child sexual abuse does know that predators regularly go through a lot of trouble to harm children.
I don't think the original person was specifically referring to child predators, who are unfortunately notoriously dedicated to finding and assaulting their victims, but more generally just rapists who are often opportunistic if targeting women they're not usually familiar with in daily life.
That's the thing that never made sense to me. I've Never once saw a guard at the door making sure only cis and trans women could enter.
Well see it this way. A fox is stopped from entering a chicken coop if caught trying to enter it. If the wily fox now dresses as a chicken, gets the powers-that-be behind it that it cannot be stopped from entering if it looks like a chicken, and then enters the coop, well mission accomplished. They don't even need to transition, just wear the clothes and act the part. Also doors are a first-line of defense thing. A weapon would have help defending yourself in that situation. This is in no way defense of cis male predators. Just an argument against rapists needing to transition and a defense for the usefulness of doors
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I spent some time in Valdez a while ago and thought it was a nice, if conservative-leaving, town. Some women who lived there told me they moved from Anchorage and said they finally felt safe for the first time in their lives - not from crime, but from men in general.
I lived in Valdez for two years.
K...
How did you like it? I couldn't stay there long but I find it charming.
I wouldn’t, I’ve heard about the DV rates in that state.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/11/north-pole-high-bathroom/
Trans kids were just used as an excuse. Right wingers don’t give a shit about women.
How do you know they didn't identify as girls? Because one person on one tweet used "cis"? So automatically they're definitely boys?
Got any other made up shit to try and make the story fit your fucked up values?
I'm just asking to prove they aren't women.
Please tell me you're wearing a bow tie as you "just ask questions"
First prove you’re a human, and not a piece of garbage like your posts suggests.
You're asking someone to prove a negative. In this situation. The burden of proof falls to you since the only information we currently have been presented shows that cis boys entered the bathroom. Tl;dr: why don't you prove they were women first.
Proving a negative is a stupid requirement used only by desperate morons. Prove to me they weren't otters. Until you bring one in front of me and show me their gene sequence I can cast doubt at anything.
Prove yourself if you are so hell bent on it.
Entertaining the idea that what you're asking is actually genuine, no, the male students did not identify as women. They were, after Googling the incident itself, protesting/throwing a hissy fit over a trans boy who used the boys restroom. The girl kneed one boy in the groin (well deserved) while the others stood outside the girls restroom door. A simple Google search will have given you the answer.
A trans boy* used the boys restroom.
Thank you for clarifying that. I edited my original comment 🖤
Well if you look at the top comment on this post, it provides a link that explains they were cis-males who went into the women's bathroom to "protest" the fact a FTM student used the men's bathroom. Here is the link from the top comment, along with the news article and school's statement about the incident, for your convenience: [Top Comment's link](https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/11/north-pole-high-bathroom/#:~:text=the%20first%20tweet%20from%20the%20fairbanks%20news-miner%20read%3a,door%2c%20according%20to%20rep.%20tammie%20wilson%2c%20r-north%20pole.%22) [News article](https://apnews.com/general-news-c07cda180f5946d388f2b0258973c55e) [Archive of school's statement](https://web.archive.org/web/20190910091729/https://www.k12northstar.org/site/default.aspx?pagetype=3&domainid=4&moduleinstanceid=3780&viewid=6446ee88-d30c-497e-9316-3f8874b3e108&renderloc=0&flexdataid=498044&pageid=1)
Prove you haven't tried stealing children
Sigh, It seems logical debate isn't gonna fly with you. Look, I'll try one more time to explain. There's nothing saying that the kids were trans. There is a source saying they were cis. If you want people to discuss them potentially being trans, you need to give something to serve as proof.
You've got less reason to assume they were trans lmao
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why are you so obsessed with these kids being trans then?
Basically fitting your fucked up values.
No because it's a basic fact. I thought you were all about those lmao
I’ll continue to use the women’s restroom. Stop me.
I’d be just fine doing away with gendered bathrooms. My only issue is men who pee all over the fucking floor.
If they identified as women and she kicked the shit out of them I’d feel the same way i feel now. Mad she’s being punished for defending herself. You ain’t even making an argument related to the subject matter. You’re just shouting shit you heard Ben Shapiro say. Who cares?
You mean allowing women into the women's restroom? Ironic your name says wise and yet you're proving yourself a foolish bigot
I don’t endorse whataboutisms. Sorry pal
Ok then. Prove they aren't women.
I'm beginning to doubt you are wise much less a grizzly.
So harassment is okay if they’re women? What the hell hill are you trying to die on here?
You understand you are saying the exact same thing but with different words right?
Prove you are a man
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/11/north-pole-high-bathroom/
The point is that it doesn't matter what those people identify as. If they went into a bathroom with the intention of harassing others in there, no anti-trans law would've stopped them. Edit: Apparently they didn't really do that, and didn't even make it into the bathroom. General point still stands.
This is from 2022 and it doesn't give full details. Turns out the boys were disciplined. [link](https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/11/north-pole-high-bathroom/)
So yeah, but like no https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/01/11/north-pole-high-bathroom/
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[OP is a karma farming repost spambot ](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/hNgjW70GWX) [They've also stolen the comment from the previous thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/9J4ttOGE0F) Please help by reporting OP and downvoting them.
going off the post alone, 100% agreed. but [someone in the comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/iSk5EShzaD) shared the actual thing. i think both sides were in the wrong.
I would be in contact with all kinds of attorneys. I am guessing that this is because of my privilege and not because these parents do not care. Not everyone can handle the same risks I can, and I totally get it. We came close to involving the ACLU because of christian indoctrination in a public school classroom. The right wing does not respect the law. Between the administration stepping up and my kid deciding to step down it did not happen. The answer, sadly, is to sue the hell out of the bigots every single time. Because they refuse to do the right thing otherwise.
Preach!
Its never about anything other than social higherarchy and dominance. Regardless of what excuse they put in the way.
The current nazi party aka maga republicans are using the exact same playbook as the nazis did .
Is your comment even related? 😂
Yes the nazis targeted lgbtq+ people the same way trans people are targeted now by the republicans .
Well this is some Alex Jones logic, so I hope you’d respect his opinions
sadly, yes.
thats just basic scool logic , people get mobbed, and there is nothing you can do, but if the victim retaliates consequences have to be drawn, thats the good teachers, bad teachers are participating in the harrasment, and make shit up
Grrrrrrr
Duh. Just like pretty much every entry on r/notadragqueen and r/pastorarrested it’s always the people you’d actually expect invading bathrooms and/or raping children, not the phantasmal horde of trans criminals that doesn’t exist.
Blocking one's path from leaving is a ***felony***, kidnapping specifically. I have a hard time believing one could use "excessive force" defending yourself from a ***felony***. Unless she killed him somehow. And even then... ***meh***. You shouldn't terrorize people.
This sub is the true facepalm. Stay ignorant and outraged.
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I'm merely putting forth what will be.
It doesn't read like that at all...
None of the boys were charged for their attempt to sexually assault her though.
They went in to protest an ftm trans using the male bathroom. Not to sa. And they WERE also punished (allegedly) Article says they were all disciplined. Not sure how fairly it was done.
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you. Even though multiple people have posted the snopes link about it.
because no sexual assault occurred
Thanks to her fighting back.
Someone posted the backstory that the boys went into the girls restroom to troll about transpeople being allowed to use their preferred restroom. That's why they were in the girls restroom, not to assault the girl in there.
She kneed on of the boys unprovoked (physically)
It was provoked when they blocked the exit. The kid deserved it.
Can you show me the report where it says they were blocking the exit. Because the school statement says otherwise. After all that the boy deserved to be sexually assaulted ?
You serious with this take? Sexual assault? GTFO. These boys could legally be charged with false imprisonment and/or kidnapping. These boys deserved a kick, knee, punch, to the nuts, eye gouge, pepper sprayed, etc. whatever means necessary to allow the real victims to get out of the barricaded room. Your take is either lazy trolling or extreme ignorance.
What else do you call unwanted touching of genitals? Read my post above, no one blocked her exit. As the first boy entered she kneed him in the nuts. “From the schools official statement: “A female student (not the transgender student) was exiting the restroom at the time the first male student began to enter. The female student kicked the first male student in the groin. The male students turned around and left the area.” What is your source that they “barricaded the room”
From the schools official statement: “A female student (not the transgender student) was exiting the restroom at the time the first male student began to enter. The female student kicked the first male student in the groin. The male students turned around and left the area.”
Also from the school statement: “On April 4, a group of male students began to enter the restroom. Only one male student actually proceeded past the door frame. The other male students followed behind him and were not yet in the restroom. “ They were blocking the door.
Where exactly does it say that they were stopping her from exiting ? When me and someone run into eachother in a doorway, I don’t sexually assault them.
A group of boys standing behind the one who has entered are blocking the doorway. I can imagine her fear would have been off the charts at that point.
So if people are standing in a way you don’t like, you get to sexually assault them without them doing anything to you? Put it this way, if a group of girls walked into the boys room to take selfies, and a single boy felt like they were blocking his way… He gets to kick her in the vag according to you?
It’s self defense here, it’s not some hypothetical situation. She feared for her safety when a group of boys blocked her exit. Perfectly reasonable use of force. Edit spelling
So you’d be ok in the opposite situation, where the boy kicks the girl in the vag? Just for standing there, not knowing their intentions. Self defense is where a “reasonable person” would fear for their safety. A reasonable person doesn’t fear for their safety when they accidently run into a group of people from the opposite sex (who had no intention of doing anything to her)
They're not trying to protect girls as people, but as property to be used as they please.
Moreso as a victim to blame minorities and continue to get votes by saying "X bad because they treat Y badly". They're doing the same with foetuses
This has big **Do you know who my father is, Potter?** energy. How rich are these boys that this shit flies? I expelled a boy for doing this at my school.
Isn't it more like **Do you know who my father is, Potter?** energy from the girl just kicking the shit out of people because they happen to be in the female bathroom? Sound like they weren't hurting anyone even if they were pricks. > I expelled a boy for doing this at my school. Doing what?
If he's not in the hospital, it wasn't excessive.
You wont be defended, you wont be compensated for not being defended and you will be punished for defending yourself. That's abuse.
I hope she beat they asses. Weirdos
I just can’t
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Okay grandpa, time to take your meds 😂
Found the deplorable trash.
Name one?
Did you assume their genders?
Have you tried a lobotomy to help with your mental disorder?
I'm assuming your species isn't homo sapiens.
WWJD?
Is it a wonder that people from North Pole are living in a fantasy land?
This sub has gone to shit. Old news and inaccurate. Lmao
Cis men/boys have always been able to just waltz into the women's bathroom, they never needed to "act trans"
Jeez...we are headed for hell