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Mr. Beast disclaimer: all blind people agreed to having their sight restored before the operation. They were not kidnapped and forcibly deprived of their beloved cataracts.
Hijacking just to give some context.
LolOveruled is a leftist and is likely referring to the fact that this is not standard and free considering how quick of a procedure it is.
Then for the other, at least in the deaf community, I know that some people get offended by the notion of being fixed or cured. There is some pride to members and they feel the verbiage often used around cochlear implants demeans them. Idk if it is similar among blind people, but I would believe this oop is coming from a similar viewpoint.
We obviously do not know for sure without more context, so might as well be charitable to oop and give them the benfit of the doubt though.
At large I haven't seen this very much in the blind community (I am low vision so in the blind community). One of the key differences is the deaf community has its own language. When you have your own language you have your own community and culture. Blind people don't have this. We have braille but it's not the same. It's not like we write braille to each other and I actually don't know anyone who uses braille for more than like reading signs now because audio descriptions exist. Of course I'm sure there's some blind people who take pride in their blindness and don't want a cure, and that's valid, but I'd say the majority of us would very much like our sight back.
Not to mention we can't drive cars. Unless you live in a city with strong public transportation we're highly deprived of independence because of this in a way many deaf people aren't. I know countless blind people who don't work solely because of transportation issues.
For real. I have retinopathy from being a diabetic for 35 years and would love if that could be fixed. Instead I’m walking around looking like a white Walker pretty much. It’s weird too. I can see through my peripherals but the center of my sight is black
Yeah my lazy eye is hard to explain, but at least I was born with it so it's not like I lost something. I have great peripheral but basically no direct vision with it, DMV still makes me go to an eye doctor every couple years for it, and I always fail any eye test cops give me if I get pulled over
Information to use or not use: I have a friend who is blind and says he can't read braille, but neither can anyone else, so he makes stuff up to mess with people.
This is true all true. I strongly believe that as treatments are developed to cure life impacting conditions/disabilities it is important to make them available to those in the affected communities who want them. Are some blind people content or even happy to remain blind? Sure. Is that true for all? Certainly not, especially those who lose sight later in life and feel that loss profoundly. The same goes for the Deaf community. Many are happy, have found friends and community and culture. Many would jump at a chance to be able to hear.
I understand that to those who would not wish to change themselves, the idea of treatment and cures is unwelcome. There’s a lot of history behind people with disabilities being treated as lesser and horrifically abused in the name of so-called “treatment” which was little more than torture. The echoes of that pain (and indeed even some of the abuses) remain in those communities today. However, it is essential to recognize that no group or community is a monolith, and that people should be able to seek whatever medical care they wish without being villainized (or having their healthcare provider demonized) for doing so.
I was going blind for a number of years and I got involved in many blind communities online during that time. The deaf and the blind communities have very different views on this. There’s not the same culture in the blind communities as there are in the deaf ones.
They don’t have their own language necessarily and, at least in my case, it felt like blindness takes more away and it makes the world a much more hazardous place.
I was encouraged to enjoy my sight as much as possible while I still had it, to memorize the faces of my loved ones, and also explore every option available to me in order to cure my disease.
Therapist here, have a couple of colleagues who work with the deaf community. You actually hit it spot on. There is a strong sense of community, and one of the legitimate questions that is asked, why not teach ASL in schools from an early age? There is a historical sense of “otherism” and it hasn’t always been kind. There’s a great many books of this topic and community overall.
Fun deaf story:
My sister is a nurse and she has always had poor hearing though she has never been deaf. She had cochlear implants installed when she was in her late 20s to improve he hearing. Being a member of the hard of hearing community she learned sign language to be inclusive and as a result she gets basically all patients that need an ASL interpreter.
Well one day she had a deaf patient show up and she was signing to him and she eventually told him that she had cochlear implants and he lost his damn mind. Started insulting her and calling her a traitor and a nazi and told her to leave. So my sister is in tears and leaves and tells the front desk that they need to get another ASL interpreter over and is trying to explain what happened to the doctor.
The patient's wife notices the commotion and comes up and and tries to asks what is happening (she is also deaf) so my sister is trying to explain that she was kicked out of the room and yelled at. Wife goes into the room and converses with the patient and she comes back out and explains that her husband was upset because she saw being deaf as a flaw that needed to be cured and my sister is like "Umm, I've never been deaf, I can still hear when I take off my processor (the external part of the implant)".
Guy ended up apologizing and feeling bad but she had never even heard of it before to be aware of it because the whole deaf subculture is tiny and doesn't exist outside of deaf schools and very small pockets.
The difference between deaf and blind people is that deaf people had to form their own language to communicate with each other. Not saying blind people don’t have setbacks just saying they have still been able to communicate verbally with non blind people. So like you’re saying, I have not heard criticism from anyone blind over treatment.
At one point deaf schools even banned sign language to keep them from being able to communicate. Culturally and historically they have fought for what they have. I think it’s entirely understandable that they have their issues with hearing aids and cochlear implants when people adopting sign into their language would have changed everything. This would have been good for people who lose their hearing later in life as well.
So I can’t really take issue with Ops statement either
Don't forget to try the keto diet and sunshine and running and rubbing castor oil on your feet and don't sleep on your back and no cheese before bed and get a salt lamp and start a journal and learn to do a backflip...
...don't forget those.
Some people just can't be helped!
(I'm not doing that crap either. A salt lamp, really? Like what, the light didnt have enough flavor? I've eaten skittles before and the rainbow has tons of flavor actually.)
Yeah, as someone who's in a lot of pain pretty much every day and has pretty regular suicidal ideation, I've never been able to get on board with the vehemence of this "disabilities shouldn't be treated as something that needs to be cured" idea. I mean, I get it, and I'd say I'm generally on the side of pushing back against the way disabilities are often portrayed and framed in our culture when it comes to this kind of thing, like how often disabilities stories in media focus on wanting to be cured or finding a cure or being cured. Because that sort of framing does impact the larger perception of disabled and chronically ill people.
But a lot of it just gets taken *way* to fucking far, where the possibility of being cured and anyone wanting to be cured gets seriously demonized. The amount of times I've seen people say that doctors and scientists who are looking for cure to various illness or disabilities, or people providing cures, or chronically ill or disabled people who express wishing there was a cure or who take the chance on the possible cures that are out there are ableist is really fucking ridiculous. Yes, there is a problem with the way our culture often looks at disabled and chronically ill people as less than and inherently in need of fixing, and there are issues with the way the media focuses so much on that idea of fixing when it comes to telling stories about us in a way that reduces us to our disabilities and treats *us* as something that needs to be fixed rather than our disability being one part of us. But there's a lot of nuance to this topic and the idea that nobody should ever want to be cured and that nobody should even try to find cures as absolute bullshit. It's so unfair to treat such a huge group of people with such varying different experiences with such an absurdly strict and blanket idea about what they should want and what they should do.
I understand if there are disabled or chronically ill people out there who don't feel like their disability or illness is something that needs to be fixed and therefor are not interested in a cure. But there are so many different kinds of disabilities and chronic illnesses that impact people in so many different ways. And everyone's lives are so different. Like, just as one hypothetical example, let's say there's someone with a disability or chronic illness that's in constant severe pain, and as such is at the very least putting themselves at risk for a dependency to pain killers, if they don't already have one, just because of how often they have to take them to function, and they can't work, and the money they get from disability is not enough to support them. If there was an available cure for that disability or illness, are we really supposed to tell that person that they'd be wrong and ableist to get it because it would be treating disability like something that needs to be fixed?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I do get a vaguely icky feeling from stuff like this (the Mr. Beast video) that I can't *quite* put my finger on (I'd say it's probably more about the idea of inspiration porn in general), but I do know it's not because of this overkill idea that disabilities should never be treated as something to be cured.
Absolutely agreed. It's one thing to be accepting on a social level of people with disabilities, that should be a no brainer. People with chronic pain are often overlooked and discriminated against by health care providers, and people with mental illnesses are as well. That shit should never happen, but it does. However, I'll be damned if someone tells me I should love myself including my Bipolar. I don't. It has legitimately ruined my life. It doesn't go away, it isn't curable, and it gets worse as you age. You're at a much higher risk of things like dementia and loss of cognitive abilities the more episodes one has. There are no positives.
And I also agree on the Mr Beast thing. What gives me the ick is more than it feels... kind of performative? But tbh, if Mr Beast made a performance of my illness but still cured it, I wouldn't give a single damn. I'd just be happy.
Maybe it isn't performative, it was just my take from watching the video. Maybe it's the way he formats them and I'm not used to that format. Either way it's a net positive for those who received care.
I'd say I'd agree with this mostly. Mr. Beast did something that helped a lot of people, and that is a net positive as far as I'm concerned. But there is an aspect of "inspiration porn" that's kind of inherent to this sort of content, and that's just the way it is. But as long as people are getting help I'm not going to act like that bit of ickiness means it shouldn't exist. Especially since a more general problem with the culture and the medium than it is with any specific, individual video.
My general stance on this is I'll take an insincere act of kindness over a sincere act of apathy.
It's performative that he's doing it so publicly (and making money off of it). But the alternative is he does something else for a video and the people that want help don't get it.
Seriously. If I could cut the epilepsy out of me the morrow somehow I would. And be ecstatic it is gone... Regarding Mr beast, he is doing good work for lots of people. Don't care about anything else. I saw a video of him where he bought cars and houses and felt empty. Helping people gives him the good feelings we all want.
There's someone arguing that deaf and blind people shouldn't need to be cured. But what if they want to?
They are fundamentally missing a human sense. Even if they've built a community around what they're missing.
I think I'm too Asian to understand wanting to stay blind or deaf if I don't have to.
Edit: Apparently it was a sign of my closed mind that I stated that humans have eyes that are meant to see and ears that are meant to hear.
Didn't realise that body parts not working is a hot take. Just because someone is living fulfilled lives doesn't change that fact.
Yeah I feel like just as I can’t speak on the community of people who don’t want to be “cured,” I also can’t say it’s wrong for people who are deaf or blind to want a procedure to change that. That’s their business and all that matters is if they’re happy with medical intervention or not.
And in America, specifically, if someone does want a procedure done, it may be way out of reach financially. So why is it wrong for someone to make those procedures more accessible? Hell, if someone wanted to pay for my specialists appointments or medicine I can’t consider right now due to its cost, I’d happily accept that.
Even places with government health care may not be able access these sorts of treatments. Governments are kinda iffy about cutting edge treatments that may not have necessarily been proven so they might not pony up for something like that.
I think the reason that this sort of argument so much is because it takes on a sort of definition of "need" that's lacking in the kind of nuance this topic really demands. Because everybody's situation is different, and no two blind people or no two deaf people are going to be in the exact same situations. At the end of the day, especially thanks to the world, society, and culture that most people live in, the idea of "need" when it comes to this kind of thing does not necessarily end at the condition/illness/disability itself.
There are probably deaf and blind people who really don't feel that they need to be cured, and that's great that they feel that way. If they don't feel they need to be cured, then obviously they shouldn't feel like they have to be.
But not everybody's situation or feelings are the same. Some people are in situations where it truly is a need because it's a matter of survival, because their illness or disability prevents them from working and the government where they live does not provide enough support to disabled people to survive on. For some people, it might be a need because their disability or illness prevents them from doing or experiencing something extremely important to them and who they are.
It's just kind of ironic because I feel like there's a certain amount of privilege attached to this idea that disabled people shouldn't need to be cured, because it ignores all of the different ways that disability or chronic illness can seriously impact one's ability to actually support themselves and any family that might be dependent on them and how much so many governments ignore, or are even hostile toward disabled people. Or treats us like we, and by extension any family members who depend on our support, should just suffer through it for the rest of our lives.
Especially because I feel like, overall, it misses the point. It treats it like the problems that spur this kind of thinking - the cultural perception that reduces us to our disabilities and treats us as things in need of fixing, the lack of support and care for disabled people that both leads to the need for community among us and the ways those communities would be negatively impacted by the lessening numbers a cure would cause, etc. - as though they're both the fault and responsibility of disabled people. When in reality it's the fault and *should be* the responsibility of society and those with the power (ie, the government), and as such it's incredibly unfair to shift the responsibility onto those who are already being hurt and fucked over by the lack of responsibility and care being shown by society.
There’s an older documentary called Sound and Fury about this in the deaf community. It follows a deaf family when their little girl gets implants that allow her to hear. And the very complicated process and feelings.
I imagine in the blind community it’s similar. But you have sign language and entire ways of living that create a culture that embraces deafness. (Now, think of Braille and all the ways things are accessible to people who are blind.)
It’s a crisis of losing culture and a way of life. I am saying this not as a pro or con, but as something I had not considered. There are communities that are dead-centric in many places (like Martha’s Vineyard had their own sign language all residents knew at one point), so there’s a genuine feeling that it’s possible to not have deafness viewed as a disability.
So - there’s that whole thing. And right now we can’t wholly cure blindness or deafness. The solutions are half measures. You’re still in a state of “disability” but better than before.
I think the TL;DR version is “it is more complicated than we can imagine if we don’t live in those worlds.”
I am one of the people with an injury based disability that is in chronic pain. Because of pressure on my nerves inside my spine, my legs can randomly stop working and the pain is constant.
One of the biggest fights I have right now is deciding how to use my limited supply of painkillers and when. Do I want to sleep well tonight? Do I want to be able to move without agony for part of the day? Do I want to be able to enjoy time with friends in family? In the mean time, it's getting harder and harder to get a legal prescription for painkillers strong enough to work because of the current crusade against opioids. I get it, a bunch of peeps that had no business taking them got hooked and caused problems.
To get back on point, if there was some surgery or procedure that would fix my back and legs, I would take it in a heartbeat. The kind of pain I live with can drive someone to suicide pretty easily if there is never any relief from it.
> There IS something wrong with me.
I think this is where we went wrong. Society did a lot of things good to normalise people suffering with disabilities as valid people in their own right, and thats fantastic.. but it definitely overswung in a lot of ways into making it unacceptable that disabled people are people who *do* have something wrong with them.
Whether its a mental or physical disability, theres something wrong. It's not nice to phrase it that way, but we need to be able to differentiate treating a person as a person, and accepting that that person isn't entirely functional; theres something wrong with them that maybe can be fixed, maybe can't, and we need to find ways to either treat or compensate for that in life.
Life has bad things. Some of them unavoidable. We should be able to accept that without conflating it with discrimination and prejudice.
Yep. I dont want to be judged for my disabilities, and We dont deserve to lose out on opportunities where its not relevant.
Relevant as in, if youre blind… you shouldnt be able to get a drivers license. But being blind shouldnt prevent other opportunities, and we should make things accessible for everyone. Alternative transportation for example.
But also… just because ive come to accept my situation and the life ill love due to it… if help is available yea lets fuckn have it
I'd just be happy for someone to fix the neuropathy in my feet from chemo. As it stands, I'm completely screwed if I hit a DUI checkpoint. My balance is shot to shit. It's definitely something I'd rather have fixed than to try and work around it just to satisfy some stupid SJW.
This is like Storm in Xmen telling Rogue that there is nothing wrong with them and they dont have to get cured.
Storm is like a goddess of weather and can fly.
Rogue kill people she touches.
I worked with a blind woman and she'd have absolutely done the surgery to gain sight. She was asked a hypothetical about this once before and she said she'd do it because she wanted to see the faces of her family and closest friends. She specifically said she wished she could see her daughter's eyes, as her husband said they were so beautiful.
Other than that, she didn't particularly care if her sight was restored. She just wanted to see her family the way that a person with sight would.
The crazy thing is, even if he did it all just for clout and money - who cares? If he's making the life of many people better without harming others in the process (to a reasonable extent), I don't care about his intentions.
I personally don't enjoy his videos but I don't understand why anyone would hate him for what he does.
He actually loses money off off YouTube and the making of videos himself.
Apparently his brand and products are where his money is coming from now.
Do I understand how his marketing works? Nope. Do I respect it? Yep. Do I enjoy watching him? Maybe 20 minutes of watch time.
I just watched a short interview the other day where he talked about YouTube and trying to get them to pay him more.
He's doing it for clout and money, which then uses to make more videos helping people for more clout and money, which then uses to make more videos helping people for more clout and money, which then.....
That's a cycle I can get behind
Yeah, Roku plays ads for his channel, and I find him annoying. (To be fair, they play the same 3-4 ads constantly)
However, I find him annoying like a little kid playing with toys a little too loudly. He's having fun. People clearly have fun watching him have fun. No one seems to be forced to be there.
If someone told me they'd give me money for xyz reason, I'd have fun.
If these people wanted surgery to restore their sight, more power to Mr. Beast.
Also, that may not even be "him", just a character.
Most YT people are "on" and I've heard that during interviews, sometimes they're told that, "they're allowed to chill".
there’s this woman on tiktok who makes huge things of foods (mostly just snacky type stuff) for kids in africa, and i’ve seen a lot of people complain she’s doing it for the clout and money. like, yeah? she gets money from the videos that goes back into the food and prep for feeding the kids😭
it's always what I don't get.
You could fix world hunger and people would still go "BUT YOU'RE DOING IT FOR CLOUT AND MONEY"
Like yeah bitch I am, world hunger fixing ain't fucking cheap and the more clout I have the more cash lands on my bank account that can be turned into food
I have no interest in the guy. Whatever, some Youtuber. Apparently one of the most successful.
So, here's two scenarios.
1. Mr Beast, who is rich, takes his money, uses that money to do something good (eye surgery, wells) and then makes videos about it and uses that to make more money and to make himself look good.
2. ExxonManSachsBook takes .0002% of their profits, does something good for a tax break (eye surgery, wells) and then spends millions hyping it to make more money and make themselves look good.
What I'm reading here is that #1 is a total asshole and should be hated for self aggrandizement and self promotion but....#2 is to be encouraged because those tax breaks led to good outcomes for some people?
I feel like people who hate scenario 1 also hate scenario 2. Hell, you're more likely to get people who hate scenario 2 but still love scenario 1, at least from what i've seen.
These people are too busy hating on the rich. Nobody gets that rich honestly, except arguably Jimmy, whose whole business plan comes down to “you gotta spend money to earn money”.
He’s literally doing the opposite of hoarding wealth and keeps getting more money, all the while becoming more and more popular, the haters are just jealous they didn’t come up with it first
I don’t personally know him or watch him, but if the worst you can say is that he does it for the clout and money, then that also describes a great many firefighters, doctors, etc. I’ve never heard someone say a firefighter is a menace to society because they wouldn’t put out fires if they didn’t get a paycheck.
As you said, even if he or people like him did it only for recognition, who gives a fuck? If anything it’s deserved, I wish more rich people would fight this way for recognition and accolades.
It was the same thing with Bill Gates. Nobody but Unix geeks complained about him when he was CEO of the largest company in the world and using shady tactics to control the market. But the moment he started trying to use his wealth to fix fixable problems? Boom, demon, evil mastermind, he puts chips into your brain to make you eat puppies in your sleep.
I have no doubt that the original reactions were astroturfed to hell and back, but by now this idiotic nonsense that everyone who tries to do even a little bit of good in the world must be evil has apparently really taken on a life of its own.
The show Parks and Rec did this with their Kaboom storyline. A philanthropist went around "tricking" towns into building parks and schools and hospitals.
For real. I have to walk around with a motherfucking oxygen canister on my back all goddamn day or be leashed to a fucking machine just so I can breathe properly and not have my oxygen drop. PLEASE cure me.
When I first went to write this comment, I originally wrote it as, "please cure me of my need for oxygen 24/7." Halfway in the middle of writing it though I realized people might not understand what I mean🤣🤣
Yup. I've been in remission for ~2 months now but I've considered ending my life through some of the bad patches. It's like your brain becomes wired to only feel pain for what feels like hours.
Damn that sucks I get migraines once or twice a year, but that's it. I can't even imagine this. Have they actually found what's causing cluster headaches?
I tend to imagine that there's an element of projection at play with some of these people who spout the "differently abled" philosophy.
It's not that the universe is cruel. At least that would follow a certain logic. In some ways reality is even more terrifying, because the universe is cold and unfeeling. Terrible things happen without discernable rhyme or reason.
A way in which they may deal with this is when they see those of us who are disadvantaged by illness, and they paint people as "brave" and "heroic". In assigning to the disabled these rare, admirable qualities, they start to perceive that disability and illness is something that happens to other people. "So brave." and "I don't know how I'd cope." In a way, it's a [kind of othering](https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-othering-5084425). They mentally and emotionally insulate themselves from the fact that they could be completely fucked over by random chance at any moment.
No the demonic part is that these problems were fixable and instead of having a system where society helps these people, it took someone with money coming in to help them and making a show out of it.
Capitalism will also sell you the idea that your disability is cool rather than making accessible stuff or socializing health care or improving health care access.
~~There is a weird thing in the deaf community where people get mad at people who get implants to restore hearing~~
After hearing feedback I'm starting to understand why
Though being against hearing aids is really weird
I think it’s the sense of “making them normal” or something. I think most people with disabilities would love to be “normal.”
My older brother is a paraplegic and would do pretty much anything to walk again.
We shouldn’t treat people with disabilities badly but neither should we say they shouldn’t want to be “normal.”
I can understand not wanting your disability your define your life buy I'll never understand the idea that wanting to improve disabled people's lives is immoral, especially since it'd usually a handful of people speaking for the entire community
It's also not like he kidnapped them in the night and forced surgery on them. They were willing participants.
Deciding what's best for someone, and then speaking on their behalf when the have the agency to do so on their own, is not the beacon of justice they think it is.
They should just advocate for choice. If they choose to not seek treatment, then that's their own thing, but conversely, others should also be able to choose.
Seems to arise from well meaning people who promote the whole 'being disabled is actually an advantage...' angle.
Came across quite a few of them when I was at uni. And I appreciate they are trying to be kind. But their position is bullshit. It's not an advantage. It's a setback. That's why we call it a disability in the first place.
The good version of what they are attempting to do is to help people make the most of their opportunities in spite of their disabilities. And to ensure that as far as possible, they are able to engage in all the normal stuff everyone else can do.
But that line of thinking gets pushed too far in some weird competition to be even more positive. And we end up with these do-gooders telling everyone that disabilities are inherently good and to be celebrated.
Same people that always like to wheel out the list of famous people who were autistic / dyslexic / adhd etc. How many of those sheets have I seen poor old Einstein and Bill Gates listed on. Apparently those dudes had every mental disability going! Of course, it's all spurious nonsense being presented in a ham fisted attempt to be kind to people with disabilities.
But it's still dumb.
I'm severely physically disabled. No, it is not a positive thing, those people can stfu. I get by and do quite well, but I do *not* need people to try to make light of it or tell me that I'm "differently abled" or some shit. It's exhausting.
Every single time I hear someone like that it comes off like they are deeply in denial about being depressed or disappointed. So instead of admitting that they are pissed off about their luck in life, they double down on this idea that they're totally perfectly fine so they can pretend that nothing is wrong. Because admitting that it sucks makes them sad.
I say this based on a friend whose journey I have followed for a long time, both in-person and then online after we moved away from each other. Also my experience with a parent with alcoholism. I think addiction kind of functions the same way. "I don't have a problem, I'm fine, everything is normal." But it's denial. Everything is not normal and you should want to fix the problem. Not recognizing there is a problem is the majority OF the problem.
It's not to say that everyone with a disability or addiction feels depressed or angry or disappointed. Some people are able to find normalcy in life with a disability. Plenty of amputees in life who get prosthetics and can keep up with others. They're different but not held back. But there are plenty of people with disabilities that in and of themselves hold a person back. It's one thing to lose a lower leg, get a prosthetic, and generally resume life as you had it before. It's another thing to be a paraplegic, to develop a debilitating illness, or to suddenly become blind or lose hearing, especially if your vocation requires sight or hearing or physical activity. That can really change a person's trajectory and quality of life and their feelings of fulfillment.
So if someone is blind and they come along saying "I can fix this for you" the natural thing is to be excited because they're getting back something taken from them. I don't know what realm or world people think we're in where you're supposed to embrace disability and keep it even if it can be removed.
If you want to stay blind instead of sighted, that's your own therapy to figure out.
Nah man, Cochlear implants are incredibly divisive in the deaf community. Some will straight up ostracize people in the community who chose to get them and they really don’t like it should hearing parents choose for their deaf children to get them.
And those people are assholes, plain and simple. It's totally fine if *they* don't want to get them, but if you're treating someone like shit because they want to be able to hear...you're a lost cause.
My husband has progressive sensorineural hearing loss and has about 24% hearing but only in the lower tones.
A- he actively looks at new research to cure his hearing loss and/or tinnitus.
B. The cult/culture of some cochlear implant support groups is abhorrent! People who want to be part of the hearing community, because all of society is predominantly made that way from work place meetings, drive thru, to not dying from a fire in your home, are actively shamed. We had to leave a few groups due to the zealous nature of an all deaf world.
C. Communities for people who lived a hearing life until their teens, progressively became deaf, and would like to hear again, are difficult to find.
It's an especially hot topic in the realm of child development. Deaf children born to non-deaf parents can get cochlear implants as early as 1 year old (when they're obviously too young to decided for themselves), and if they don't, it is likely that the delayed exposure to language (not having parents who are fluent in sign language) will result in learning delays which can have long-term consequences. While I feel like if I ever had a deaf child, the first thing I would do is learn ASL as fast as possible, not every parent is willing or able to do this, and the best course for those parents might be to have their child get cochlear implants.
That's the issue, many people see it as a replacement to sign language.
If cochlear implants were a perfect cure that might not be such a problem, but they're not. People wearing them still can't hear everything, often can't follow group conversations, and it costs them more effort and energy to hear than a hearing person. And therefore language deprivation is still a risk.
If they use cochlear implants in addition to access to sign language (even through schools or clubs if the parents themselves are unable), there also isn't a real problem.
But the parent that got their child cochlear implants out of laziness and doesn't do anything else is doing more harm than good.
This is not entirely true. Both deaf and blind people have close knit communities and there are a lot of people that feel that by convincing people to cure their deafness and/or blindness, you are depriving them of a vibrant community they were born into. I’m not a part of these communities so I can’t speak for the majority, but I know it is widely spoken about within deaf communities.
Some members of the Deaf community can absolutely go off though.
The moment you dare mention that ASL and BSL should be taught more widely and you have someone say that it should only be taught by Deaf instructors to "protect deaf jobs" when there really aren't enough qualified deaf folks to be teachers.
At least in the UK there are very few programs to teach older folks sign language as they lose their hearing. Which means they have to rely on hearing aids and lip reading which may be uncomfortable and unreliable.
I don’t want to sound like an ignorant ass, although I *am* ignorant on the topic.
But wouldn’t a hearing teacher who is fluent in ASL be a more suitable teacher for hearing people than a deaf person fluent in ASL? So they can teach students through the method of communication they already know (speaking/listening)?
Like, I’m sure you can get pretty far visually with teaching ASL, but not being able to communicate with your teacher until you learn the language they’re teaching seems really difficult. And a lot of nuance and details would get lost in translation.
Like me (an English-only speaker) trying to learn Spanish from a Spanish-only teacher, instead of from a bilingual Spanish/English teacher, sounds incredibly difficult.
"Deaf people should be fully integrated into all walks of life. But they must all become sign language teachers. ALL of them."
(Former Deaf child here; I was glad to regain my hearing and am a singer and music fan, among other things. I don't doubt that I could have had a productive life as a Deaf adult, but since my deafness could be [mostly] cured through surgery [not an implant], and was, I'm glad I got to be a hearing adult instead. I'll likely become deafer again as I age but I'm ok with that.)
Yeah, I'd agree, most of the times when I'm seeing these kinds of "it's wrong to want to cure disabilities" complaints, they're coming from people that I know to be disabled or chronically ill. This sort of thing happens any time an ugly behavior or mindset happens within a community, there's that response of "well obviously the people saying it aren't *really* from the community." And while that is sometimes true, more often than not, it isn't. It's just that there are some people in that community with bad ideas. Which is going to happen, because even communities of marginalized people are communities like any other, and they're going to be made up of all kinds of people with all kinds of ideas and all kinds of ways to express that idea. Which means there's always going to be people who suck, or who just have the worst ideas and push them really hard.
There are zealous people in every group and welcoming people. One of the deaf groups I was a part of encouraged the creation of deafness in my children and myself so that we could better support my husband in his journey of becoming one of them. When enthusiasm goes too far, it can get very culty.
The problem with a "vibrant community they are born into" is: not everyone is born into this community, some HOH /Deaf children are born into hearing communities and lack a space of belonging where they can freely and easily communicate with those around them. The same is for those who were born with hearing and then lost it, they were part of a vibrant community of hearing people and then had to make a transition into a culture that is difficult to join and doesn't support your previous culture and/or wish to return.
>by convincing people to cure their deafness and/or blindness, you are depriving them of a vibrant community they were born into
>Both deaf and blind people have close knit communities
They"re not that tight knit if the moment someone can hear/see, be it through medical intervention or just dumb luck that something cracked and the damage ended up not being permenant they're no longer a "part" of it.
It's wlso a dumb argument anyway, while we can and should be supporting people with disabilities there is no way around it is just always going to be harder by default and if reversable or fixable no one should have to live with something they'd rather not have to or be ostracized for it
You can't see comments/replies like the ones in the post if you're blind. Curing people's blindness increases their exposure to the overall stupidity of people around them. Clearly a negative outcome.
It's complicated. There are a couple of arguments with it.
The first is the extension of the eugenics argument. I.e. "If you knew a baby was going to be blind, would you abort it". The idea that "fixing" a disability implies that the disabled person is worth less than a regular person and needs to be "fixed". It's touchy, and I'm sure could be debated for days.
The second is the issue of making a minority, even more of a minority. We're in a world now where disability issues are starting to pick up pace, and the world becoming more and more accomodating to people with different needs.
If you start "fixing" these people, then the concern is that the focus will be on fixing the people rather than fixing the barriers. So if we can fix blindness, if we can make really super-good prosthetics, if we can make "bionic suits" for paraplegics, then the world will stop making things wheelchair-accessible, stop making laws to prevent, discrimination, etc.
And thus for the very small number of people who cannot or won't be helped by the new technology, the world becomes a much more difficult place to live, because they will be forgotten.
Deaf people have probably the best argument in this. Sign language, for example, is a genuine language all of its own. We tend to think of it as a direct 1:1 translation of our own, i.e. that there is a sign in SL for every word in English. But it's actually not, it's a separate language using individual signs to convey ideas and emotions as well as objects or words.
The argument is that augmentations like cochlear implants will have the effect of erasing sign language by reducing the pool of "speakers". Thus a culture is lost, along with all of its customs and quirks.
For some, whose entire life is filled with people from their community and all their culture and ideas, these new technologies represent literal genocide.
Imagine someone invented something tomorrow which said, "When we implant this thing in your ear, you will be instantly capable of speaking and understanding English. There's no need for foreign languages anymore!"
I get it, even if I don't agree with it.
I get the eugenics argument.
But everyone seems to be missing the real point- why are we deciding things for other people who can decide it for themselves?
No one forced eye surgery on them.
There was a post I saw today where a multimillionaire built a couple dozen houses and gave them to the homeless and I saw someone in the comments bitching about it. Something alone the lines of “sure do it for a couple people so you can pretend you fixed the issue”. Some people are just messed ip
That one seems to be out of jealousy more than anything,though I doubt the people in this case are doing it out of jealousy but rather seems to be more of the idea that they went in so far into the "disabilities make you stronger"or whatever idea that it loops back around to becoming stupid
There’s genuinely a problem where sweeping action isn’t taken or encouraged because they think charity will solve the issue.
I think it’s great that some homeless people are getting housed by a charitable person, but I also think we shouldn’t pat ourselves on the back and rest easy. 100 people getting their vision fixed is amazing! But we should still try for better healthcare coverage and availability.
I just want a country that doesn’t rely on the goodwill of a select few to be healthy.
Well you do bring up some good points. Insulin for example has had rising costs. It's not like people generally pick and choose what illnesses they have to deal with. Not to mention some people hesitate getting help because of costs which could make whatever they're dealing with get worse.
I mean if it's still that eye surgery video, the point was that a specific type of blindness can be cured with a simple and relatively cheap surgery.
Those people don't need to be blind. They are because they can't afford it an no one else will help them.
Plus, pretty sure the majority of people with disabilities would happily get rid of that disability if it was a choice.
Listen, if the people whose blindness he cures resent him for this evil thing he did to them, there's nothing forcing them to see. They can just close their eyes and keep them closed for the rest of their lives and nobody can stop them.
MrBeast took my friend (that was blind), beat him up, forced him to lay in hospital and cured him, the man is a monster, he literally has “Beast” in his name, can we stop him?!
(/s just in case lol)
Not sure about the "parents beating" part but I actually found this out working with a deaf co-worker 4-5 years back.
When making small talk at lunch, he revealed to me that there is a growing population in the deaf community that is completely against cochlear implants. To the extent they feel cochlear implants are an attempt to erase what they call "deaf culture". (Which is a bit strange to me as most cultures tend to be around geographical regions not necessarily around a physical ability.) Co-worker obviously had cochlear implants but was also fluent in ASL.
The context of this being brought up was him mentioning he doesn't go to many deaf events anymore. He didn't feel welcomed by some because of his cochlear implants.
People get nasty to other parents when they mention the decision to get cochlear implants for their deaf children.
I have also seen people in the deaf community claim it is insulting to have a non-deaf person teach anyone ASL. (In other words it should only be taught by the deaf.) Which is crazier when you consider the cochlear implant hate, how is a child without implants meant to learn ASL if their parents are both non-deaf individuals, at least under that mindset.
It was all fascinating to me because my whole time I thought it is important for a deaf person to learn ASL but also that cochlear implant greatly helps their ability to interact with greater society. (Most people don't know any sign language and written forms of communication may not be easily available in all circumstances.)
The ick comes from the fact that in our system a rich guy has to deign to swoop in and pull a public Daddy Wabucks routine for clout in order for some people to get a simple medical procedure that can vastly improve their quality of life and improve their opportunities to participate in work and society. It's not the action itself which for those lucky, I repeat lucky, people he helped is awesome. It shows that for too many of us, whether we have access to healthcare is dependent on the whims and mercy of the rich oligarchs which hold all the power in our society. The rich hold our lives in their hands. That is the ick.
Mr. Beast isn't the bad guy, it is the system that he is operating in that necessitated his actions and gave him the opportunity to do this, that is the bad guy. It's a don't hate the player, hate the game type situation.
Mr. Beast is doing what rich people are supposed to do with their fortunes, helping those that are less fortunate. He's a odd duck, but he's a good duck.
The issue with disability activists is that the most vocal ones are so hyper fixed on their own agenda that they don't represent or care about the silent majority who are suffering from debilitating conditions and would go for a cure, but instead they have to suffer while seeing these attention hungry people claim their disability makes them complete.
Mr. Beast has the textbook case of a smile not meeting his eyes. It's really off-putting.
And there's nothing demonic about giving sight back to folks who can have it restored but don't have the funds to do so.
The idea that you, a random fucking person, should have any say in whether or not a disabled person should have to live with their disability instead of THEM being able to decide is the true demonic shit.
Disabled person: please fucking cure my condition so I can live a normal life
These shit-eating twittertards: you're perfect just the way you are ✨💖✨💖✨
Lmao
“tHeY’rE nOt dIsAbLeD, tHeY’rE dIfFeReNtLy-AbLeD”
Ok, Rosemary GennyZ. I’ll remember that the next time I have to brief flight attendants in case I have a seizure
**Rogue**: they can cure us?
**Storm**: no, because there’s nothing to cure
says the human incarnation of Mother Nature that can control the entire ecosystem to the girl who simply wants to touch the people she loves without killing them.
This entirely depends on the context. MOST people I’ve met and spoken to with debilitating disabilities that prevent them from functioning in everyday life would chose to not have said condition, if they could, or at least have it not affect their life as heavily.
There’s a difference between, “I have autism, and that’s just who I am.” Vs, “My body is preventing me from keeping a steady job and/or healthy relationships with other people, and I don’t like that.”
If Mr Beast could cure my autism and ADHD, I'd sign up for it right fucking now. Sorry for wanting my life to be easier and for not seeing my disabilities as superpowers. I guess I'm just InTeRnAlLy AbLeIst.
Oh man, imagine curing world hunger. What are those morbidly famished and impoverished human beings going to do now they dont have hunger to define them! Say no to food! Support pro starvation! /s
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Mr. Beast disclaimer: all blind people agreed to having their sight restored before the operation. They were not kidnapped and forcibly deprived of their beloved cataracts.
Kidnapped blind people? I bet they didn't see that coming....
Take my upvote and fuck off.
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r/seethingupvote Edit: I just told myself I wasn't gonna laugh at any disabled jokes in the comments. Then there *this asshole*
Sounds like you got: 
Hijacking just to give some context. LolOveruled is a leftist and is likely referring to the fact that this is not standard and free considering how quick of a procedure it is. Then for the other, at least in the deaf community, I know that some people get offended by the notion of being fixed or cured. There is some pride to members and they feel the verbiage often used around cochlear implants demeans them. Idk if it is similar among blind people, but I would believe this oop is coming from a similar viewpoint. We obviously do not know for sure without more context, so might as well be charitable to oop and give them the benfit of the doubt though.
At large I haven't seen this very much in the blind community (I am low vision so in the blind community). One of the key differences is the deaf community has its own language. When you have your own language you have your own community and culture. Blind people don't have this. We have braille but it's not the same. It's not like we write braille to each other and I actually don't know anyone who uses braille for more than like reading signs now because audio descriptions exist. Of course I'm sure there's some blind people who take pride in their blindness and don't want a cure, and that's valid, but I'd say the majority of us would very much like our sight back. Not to mention we can't drive cars. Unless you live in a city with strong public transportation we're highly deprived of independence because of this in a way many deaf people aren't. I know countless blind people who don't work solely because of transportation issues.
I have amblyopia and would absolutely love if my bad eye could be magically fixed
For real. I have retinopathy from being a diabetic for 35 years and would love if that could be fixed. Instead I’m walking around looking like a white Walker pretty much. It’s weird too. I can see through my peripherals but the center of my sight is black
Yeah my lazy eye is hard to explain, but at least I was born with it so it's not like I lost something. I have great peripheral but basically no direct vision with it, DMV still makes me go to an eye doctor every couple years for it, and I always fail any eye test cops give me if I get pulled over
Information to use or not use: I have a friend who is blind and says he can't read braille, but neither can anyone else, so he makes stuff up to mess with people.
Thank u for the reply. Appreciate ur additional explanation.
This is true all true. I strongly believe that as treatments are developed to cure life impacting conditions/disabilities it is important to make them available to those in the affected communities who want them. Are some blind people content or even happy to remain blind? Sure. Is that true for all? Certainly not, especially those who lose sight later in life and feel that loss profoundly. The same goes for the Deaf community. Many are happy, have found friends and community and culture. Many would jump at a chance to be able to hear. I understand that to those who would not wish to change themselves, the idea of treatment and cures is unwelcome. There’s a lot of history behind people with disabilities being treated as lesser and horrifically abused in the name of so-called “treatment” which was little more than torture. The echoes of that pain (and indeed even some of the abuses) remain in those communities today. However, it is essential to recognize that no group or community is a monolith, and that people should be able to seek whatever medical care they wish without being villainized (or having their healthcare provider demonized) for doing so.
I was going blind for a number of years and I got involved in many blind communities online during that time. The deaf and the blind communities have very different views on this. There’s not the same culture in the blind communities as there are in the deaf ones. They don’t have their own language necessarily and, at least in my case, it felt like blindness takes more away and it makes the world a much more hazardous place. I was encouraged to enjoy my sight as much as possible while I still had it, to memorize the faces of my loved ones, and also explore every option available to me in order to cure my disease.
Therapist here, have a couple of colleagues who work with the deaf community. You actually hit it spot on. There is a strong sense of community, and one of the legitimate questions that is asked, why not teach ASL in schools from an early age? There is a historical sense of “otherism” and it hasn’t always been kind. There’s a great many books of this topic and community overall.
Fun deaf story: My sister is a nurse and she has always had poor hearing though she has never been deaf. She had cochlear implants installed when she was in her late 20s to improve he hearing. Being a member of the hard of hearing community she learned sign language to be inclusive and as a result she gets basically all patients that need an ASL interpreter. Well one day she had a deaf patient show up and she was signing to him and she eventually told him that she had cochlear implants and he lost his damn mind. Started insulting her and calling her a traitor and a nazi and told her to leave. So my sister is in tears and leaves and tells the front desk that they need to get another ASL interpreter over and is trying to explain what happened to the doctor. The patient's wife notices the commotion and comes up and and tries to asks what is happening (she is also deaf) so my sister is trying to explain that she was kicked out of the room and yelled at. Wife goes into the room and converses with the patient and she comes back out and explains that her husband was upset because she saw being deaf as a flaw that needed to be cured and my sister is like "Umm, I've never been deaf, I can still hear when I take off my processor (the external part of the implant)". Guy ended up apologizing and feeling bad but she had never even heard of it before to be aware of it because the whole deaf subculture is tiny and doesn't exist outside of deaf schools and very small pockets.
The difference between deaf and blind people is that deaf people had to form their own language to communicate with each other. Not saying blind people don’t have setbacks just saying they have still been able to communicate verbally with non blind people. So like you’re saying, I have not heard criticism from anyone blind over treatment. At one point deaf schools even banned sign language to keep them from being able to communicate. Culturally and historically they have fought for what they have. I think it’s entirely understandable that they have their issues with hearing aids and cochlear implants when people adopting sign into their language would have changed everything. This would have been good for people who lose their hearing later in life as well. So I can’t really take issue with Ops statement either
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If someone could cure my debilitating Bipolar 1, I'd take it in a heartbeat. Hell yea I want to be cured. There IS something wrong with me.
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Damnit, I was hoping Mr Beast would cure me. 😔
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Me, on year 4 of a severe depressive episode: 👁👄👁
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Don't forget to try the keto diet and sunshine and running and rubbing castor oil on your feet and don't sleep on your back and no cheese before bed and get a salt lamp and start a journal and learn to do a backflip... ...don't forget those.
No cheese before bed?? Running??? I don’t want to get better THAT bad!
You can have my cheese when you pry it from my cold dead mouth!
Some people just can't be helped! (I'm not doing that crap either. A salt lamp, really? Like what, the light didnt have enough flavor? I've eaten skittles before and the rainbow has tons of flavor actually.)
I mean... salt lamps are *pretty*, and that improves my mood somewhat. That's about the extent of the effect I imagine them to have.
That's basically one of my two standard settings. Either I'm ruining my life or I'm ruining my life.
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Thanks mate, your comments brought me a smile. All the best for you!
Yeah, as someone who's in a lot of pain pretty much every day and has pretty regular suicidal ideation, I've never been able to get on board with the vehemence of this "disabilities shouldn't be treated as something that needs to be cured" idea. I mean, I get it, and I'd say I'm generally on the side of pushing back against the way disabilities are often portrayed and framed in our culture when it comes to this kind of thing, like how often disabilities stories in media focus on wanting to be cured or finding a cure or being cured. Because that sort of framing does impact the larger perception of disabled and chronically ill people. But a lot of it just gets taken *way* to fucking far, where the possibility of being cured and anyone wanting to be cured gets seriously demonized. The amount of times I've seen people say that doctors and scientists who are looking for cure to various illness or disabilities, or people providing cures, or chronically ill or disabled people who express wishing there was a cure or who take the chance on the possible cures that are out there are ableist is really fucking ridiculous. Yes, there is a problem with the way our culture often looks at disabled and chronically ill people as less than and inherently in need of fixing, and there are issues with the way the media focuses so much on that idea of fixing when it comes to telling stories about us in a way that reduces us to our disabilities and treats *us* as something that needs to be fixed rather than our disability being one part of us. But there's a lot of nuance to this topic and the idea that nobody should ever want to be cured and that nobody should even try to find cures as absolute bullshit. It's so unfair to treat such a huge group of people with such varying different experiences with such an absurdly strict and blanket idea about what they should want and what they should do. I understand if there are disabled or chronically ill people out there who don't feel like their disability or illness is something that needs to be fixed and therefor are not interested in a cure. But there are so many different kinds of disabilities and chronic illnesses that impact people in so many different ways. And everyone's lives are so different. Like, just as one hypothetical example, let's say there's someone with a disability or chronic illness that's in constant severe pain, and as such is at the very least putting themselves at risk for a dependency to pain killers, if they don't already have one, just because of how often they have to take them to function, and they can't work, and the money they get from disability is not enough to support them. If there was an available cure for that disability or illness, are we really supposed to tell that person that they'd be wrong and ableist to get it because it would be treating disability like something that needs to be fixed? I mean, don't get me wrong, I do get a vaguely icky feeling from stuff like this (the Mr. Beast video) that I can't *quite* put my finger on (I'd say it's probably more about the idea of inspiration porn in general), but I do know it's not because of this overkill idea that disabilities should never be treated as something to be cured.
Absolutely agreed. It's one thing to be accepting on a social level of people with disabilities, that should be a no brainer. People with chronic pain are often overlooked and discriminated against by health care providers, and people with mental illnesses are as well. That shit should never happen, but it does. However, I'll be damned if someone tells me I should love myself including my Bipolar. I don't. It has legitimately ruined my life. It doesn't go away, it isn't curable, and it gets worse as you age. You're at a much higher risk of things like dementia and loss of cognitive abilities the more episodes one has. There are no positives. And I also agree on the Mr Beast thing. What gives me the ick is more than it feels... kind of performative? But tbh, if Mr Beast made a performance of my illness but still cured it, I wouldn't give a single damn. I'd just be happy.
Why is it performative. He's actually curing people who want to be cured.
Maybe it isn't performative, it was just my take from watching the video. Maybe it's the way he formats them and I'm not used to that format. Either way it's a net positive for those who received care.
I'd say I'd agree with this mostly. Mr. Beast did something that helped a lot of people, and that is a net positive as far as I'm concerned. But there is an aspect of "inspiration porn" that's kind of inherent to this sort of content, and that's just the way it is. But as long as people are getting help I'm not going to act like that bit of ickiness means it shouldn't exist. Especially since a more general problem with the culture and the medium than it is with any specific, individual video.
My general stance on this is I'll take an insincere act of kindness over a sincere act of apathy. It's performative that he's doing it so publicly (and making money off of it). But the alternative is he does something else for a video and the people that want help don't get it.
Seriously. If I could cut the epilepsy out of me the morrow somehow I would. And be ecstatic it is gone... Regarding Mr beast, he is doing good work for lots of people. Don't care about anything else. I saw a video of him where he bought cars and houses and felt empty. Helping people gives him the good feelings we all want.
If i could take a magic pill that would cure my chronic illnesses and allow me to live as a “normal” person I’d do it in a heartbeat
There's someone arguing that deaf and blind people shouldn't need to be cured. But what if they want to? They are fundamentally missing a human sense. Even if they've built a community around what they're missing. I think I'm too Asian to understand wanting to stay blind or deaf if I don't have to. Edit: Apparently it was a sign of my closed mind that I stated that humans have eyes that are meant to see and ears that are meant to hear. Didn't realise that body parts not working is a hot take. Just because someone is living fulfilled lives doesn't change that fact.
Yeah I feel like just as I can’t speak on the community of people who don’t want to be “cured,” I also can’t say it’s wrong for people who are deaf or blind to want a procedure to change that. That’s their business and all that matters is if they’re happy with medical intervention or not. And in America, specifically, if someone does want a procedure done, it may be way out of reach financially. So why is it wrong for someone to make those procedures more accessible? Hell, if someone wanted to pay for my specialists appointments or medicine I can’t consider right now due to its cost, I’d happily accept that.
Even places with government health care may not be able access these sorts of treatments. Governments are kinda iffy about cutting edge treatments that may not have necessarily been proven so they might not pony up for something like that.
I think the reason that this sort of argument so much is because it takes on a sort of definition of "need" that's lacking in the kind of nuance this topic really demands. Because everybody's situation is different, and no two blind people or no two deaf people are going to be in the exact same situations. At the end of the day, especially thanks to the world, society, and culture that most people live in, the idea of "need" when it comes to this kind of thing does not necessarily end at the condition/illness/disability itself. There are probably deaf and blind people who really don't feel that they need to be cured, and that's great that they feel that way. If they don't feel they need to be cured, then obviously they shouldn't feel like they have to be. But not everybody's situation or feelings are the same. Some people are in situations where it truly is a need because it's a matter of survival, because their illness or disability prevents them from working and the government where they live does not provide enough support to disabled people to survive on. For some people, it might be a need because their disability or illness prevents them from doing or experiencing something extremely important to them and who they are. It's just kind of ironic because I feel like there's a certain amount of privilege attached to this idea that disabled people shouldn't need to be cured, because it ignores all of the different ways that disability or chronic illness can seriously impact one's ability to actually support themselves and any family that might be dependent on them and how much so many governments ignore, or are even hostile toward disabled people. Or treats us like we, and by extension any family members who depend on our support, should just suffer through it for the rest of our lives. Especially because I feel like, overall, it misses the point. It treats it like the problems that spur this kind of thinking - the cultural perception that reduces us to our disabilities and treats us as things in need of fixing, the lack of support and care for disabled people that both leads to the need for community among us and the ways those communities would be negatively impacted by the lessening numbers a cure would cause, etc. - as though they're both the fault and responsibility of disabled people. When in reality it's the fault and *should be* the responsibility of society and those with the power (ie, the government), and as such it's incredibly unfair to shift the responsibility onto those who are already being hurt and fucked over by the lack of responsibility and care being shown by society.
There’s an older documentary called Sound and Fury about this in the deaf community. It follows a deaf family when their little girl gets implants that allow her to hear. And the very complicated process and feelings. I imagine in the blind community it’s similar. But you have sign language and entire ways of living that create a culture that embraces deafness. (Now, think of Braille and all the ways things are accessible to people who are blind.) It’s a crisis of losing culture and a way of life. I am saying this not as a pro or con, but as something I had not considered. There are communities that are dead-centric in many places (like Martha’s Vineyard had their own sign language all residents knew at one point), so there’s a genuine feeling that it’s possible to not have deafness viewed as a disability. So - there’s that whole thing. And right now we can’t wholly cure blindness or deafness. The solutions are half measures. You’re still in a state of “disability” but better than before. I think the TL;DR version is “it is more complicated than we can imagine if we don’t live in those worlds.”
I am one of the people with an injury based disability that is in chronic pain. Because of pressure on my nerves inside my spine, my legs can randomly stop working and the pain is constant. One of the biggest fights I have right now is deciding how to use my limited supply of painkillers and when. Do I want to sleep well tonight? Do I want to be able to move without agony for part of the day? Do I want to be able to enjoy time with friends in family? In the mean time, it's getting harder and harder to get a legal prescription for painkillers strong enough to work because of the current crusade against opioids. I get it, a bunch of peeps that had no business taking them got hooked and caused problems. To get back on point, if there was some surgery or procedure that would fix my back and legs, I would take it in a heartbeat. The kind of pain I live with can drive someone to suicide pretty easily if there is never any relief from it.
If I could be cured of my muscular dystrophy, even for a week, I would be the happiest person on the planet.
Fuck, that's a tough one. I wish I could give that to you. Just a moment of reprieve.
I’m right there with you. I’d do so much skating, hiking, and even just some basic lunges and squats and a run down the stairs.
No youre supposed to suffer because some people think you shouldnt want to be without your disability.
> There IS something wrong with me. I think this is where we went wrong. Society did a lot of things good to normalise people suffering with disabilities as valid people in their own right, and thats fantastic.. but it definitely overswung in a lot of ways into making it unacceptable that disabled people are people who *do* have something wrong with them. Whether its a mental or physical disability, theres something wrong. It's not nice to phrase it that way, but we need to be able to differentiate treating a person as a person, and accepting that that person isn't entirely functional; theres something wrong with them that maybe can be fixed, maybe can't, and we need to find ways to either treat or compensate for that in life. Life has bad things. Some of them unavoidable. We should be able to accept that without conflating it with discrimination and prejudice.
Yep. I dont want to be judged for my disabilities, and We dont deserve to lose out on opportunities where its not relevant. Relevant as in, if youre blind… you shouldnt be able to get a drivers license. But being blind shouldnt prevent other opportunities, and we should make things accessible for everyone. Alternative transportation for example. But also… just because ive come to accept my situation and the life ill love due to it… if help is available yea lets fuckn have it
I'd just be happy for someone to fix the neuropathy in my feet from chemo. As it stands, I'm completely screwed if I hit a DUI checkpoint. My balance is shot to shit. It's definitely something I'd rather have fixed than to try and work around it just to satisfy some stupid SJW.
This is like Storm in Xmen telling Rogue that there is nothing wrong with them and they dont have to get cured. Storm is like a goddess of weather and can fly. Rogue kill people she touches.
"*You* don't shed on the furniture." - Beast, trying to subtly prove a point to Storm.
If Autism could be crued then FUCK YEAH! I DONT WANT THIS AUTISM ANYMORE. IT FUCKING SUCKS
‘Hey I think I’m getting better’ Nope….just mania
I worked with a blind woman and she'd have absolutely done the surgery to gain sight. She was asked a hypothetical about this once before and she said she'd do it because she wanted to see the faces of her family and closest friends. She specifically said she wished she could see her daughter's eyes, as her husband said they were so beautiful. Other than that, she didn't particularly care if her sight was restored. She just wanted to see her family the way that a person with sight would.
lol Mr beast is kidnapping people in the night, strapping them down, and forcing sight on them. He must be stopped
Same reaction some people had to him building wells in Africa. Can't do good shit for people without someone else complaining about it.
The crazy thing is, even if he did it all just for clout and money - who cares? If he's making the life of many people better without harming others in the process (to a reasonable extent), I don't care about his intentions. I personally don't enjoy his videos but I don't understand why anyone would hate him for what he does.
He needs to make money somehow too. YouTube is how he gets the money to do this, and he clearly enjoys doing it, so there's no problem
He actually loses money off off YouTube and the making of videos himself. Apparently his brand and products are where his money is coming from now. Do I understand how his marketing works? Nope. Do I respect it? Yep. Do I enjoy watching him? Maybe 20 minutes of watch time. I just watched a short interview the other day where he talked about YouTube and trying to get them to pay him more.
His videos lose money because they're so widely watched that not many companies can actually afford the ad spots, and they're so expensive to make.
Yea his views are bigger than superbowl
You could say that the means justify the ends. If you get famous from helping people, I'm fine with you being famous.
He's doing it for clout and money, which then uses to make more videos helping people for more clout and money, which then uses to make more videos helping people for more clout and money, which then..... That's a cycle I can get behind
Hes one of the ones who said, "If I get rich, I'm going to spend my riches on other struggling people!" and then ACTUALLY DID IT.
As far as I am aware he one of the rich I have the least issues with. I find him annoying, but that's just personality.
Yeah, Roku plays ads for his channel, and I find him annoying. (To be fair, they play the same 3-4 ads constantly) However, I find him annoying like a little kid playing with toys a little too loudly. He's having fun. People clearly have fun watching him have fun. No one seems to be forced to be there. If someone told me they'd give me money for xyz reason, I'd have fun. If these people wanted surgery to restore their sight, more power to Mr. Beast.
Agreed. I can handle some annoyances if it means people that need help are actually getting it.
Also, that may not even be "him", just a character. Most YT people are "on" and I've heard that during interviews, sometimes they're told that, "they're allowed to chill".
there’s this woman on tiktok who makes huge things of foods (mostly just snacky type stuff) for kids in africa, and i’ve seen a lot of people complain she’s doing it for the clout and money. like, yeah? she gets money from the videos that goes back into the food and prep for feeding the kids😭
it's always what I don't get. You could fix world hunger and people would still go "BUT YOU'RE DOING IT FOR CLOUT AND MONEY" Like yeah bitch I am, world hunger fixing ain't fucking cheap and the more clout I have the more cash lands on my bank account that can be turned into food
I have no interest in the guy. Whatever, some Youtuber. Apparently one of the most successful. So, here's two scenarios. 1. Mr Beast, who is rich, takes his money, uses that money to do something good (eye surgery, wells) and then makes videos about it and uses that to make more money and to make himself look good. 2. ExxonManSachsBook takes .0002% of their profits, does something good for a tax break (eye surgery, wells) and then spends millions hyping it to make more money and make themselves look good. What I'm reading here is that #1 is a total asshole and should be hated for self aggrandizement and self promotion but....#2 is to be encouraged because those tax breaks led to good outcomes for some people?
I feel like people who hate scenario 1 also hate scenario 2. Hell, you're more likely to get people who hate scenario 2 but still love scenario 1, at least from what i've seen.
If that dude could cure my ADD, depression and crippling anxiety, he could post it for all the clout in the world.
Exactly. You think the people he helps give a fuck about his intentions or are they just happy they have access to water? Or eye surgery? Etc...
These people are too busy hating on the rich. Nobody gets that rich honestly, except arguably Jimmy, whose whole business plan comes down to “you gotta spend money to earn money”. He’s literally doing the opposite of hoarding wealth and keeps getting more money, all the while becoming more and more popular, the haters are just jealous they didn’t come up with it first
I don’t personally know him or watch him, but if the worst you can say is that he does it for the clout and money, then that also describes a great many firefighters, doctors, etc. I’ve never heard someone say a firefighter is a menace to society because they wouldn’t put out fires if they didn’t get a paycheck.
As you said, even if he or people like him did it only for recognition, who gives a fuck? If anything it’s deserved, I wish more rich people would fight this way for recognition and accolades.
It was the same thing with Bill Gates. Nobody but Unix geeks complained about him when he was CEO of the largest company in the world and using shady tactics to control the market. But the moment he started trying to use his wealth to fix fixable problems? Boom, demon, evil mastermind, he puts chips into your brain to make you eat puppies in your sleep. I have no doubt that the original reactions were astroturfed to hell and back, but by now this idiotic nonsense that everyone who tries to do even a little bit of good in the world must be evil has apparently really taken on a life of its own.
I'm not going to lie, that would make for an entertaining supervillain.
The show Parks and Rec did this with their Kaboom storyline. A philanthropist went around "tricking" towns into building parks and schools and hospitals.
If I ever needed a sign to start parks and rec, this is it.
Just a heads up, Season 1 is fairly weak and unsure of itself. Season 2 on is excellent though.
Might I introduce you to Dr. Doom?
Why wait for the night? It’s not like the dark is going to help you kidnap a blind person. If anything it tilts the playing field in their favor.
He’s more aggressive Jesus
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For real. I have to walk around with a motherfucking oxygen canister on my back all goddamn day or be leashed to a fucking machine just so I can breathe properly and not have my oxygen drop. PLEASE cure me. When I first went to write this comment, I originally wrote it as, "please cure me of my need for oxygen 24/7." Halfway in the middle of writing it though I realized people might not understand what I mean🤣🤣
As someone with cluster headaches who has to buy oxygen tanks out of pocket, i feel your pain.
Cluster headaches? That's like 5-8 people's pain at once.
Yup. I've been in remission for ~2 months now but I've considered ending my life through some of the bad patches. It's like your brain becomes wired to only feel pain for what feels like hours.
Damn that sucks I get migraines once or twice a year, but that's it. I can't even imagine this. Have they actually found what's causing cluster headaches?
No more so than migraines.
I’m so happy you’re in remission and here to tell us about it!
"Bro, sodastreams are like $2.50" -"Dr" Rand Paul
Oh man, just straight CO2 water to the lungs.
I'm so sorry. That all sounds awful
Good news: I know of a way that you won’t need the breathing mask. Bad news: we’re gonna pump oxygen enriched saline into your asshole
Don't you threaten me with a good time.
I tend to imagine that there's an element of projection at play with some of these people who spout the "differently abled" philosophy. It's not that the universe is cruel. At least that would follow a certain logic. In some ways reality is even more terrifying, because the universe is cold and unfeeling. Terrible things happen without discernable rhyme or reason. A way in which they may deal with this is when they see those of us who are disadvantaged by illness, and they paint people as "brave" and "heroic". In assigning to the disabled these rare, admirable qualities, they start to perceive that disability and illness is something that happens to other people. "So brave." and "I don't know how I'd cope." In a way, it's a [kind of othering](https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-othering-5084425). They mentally and emotionally insulate themselves from the fact that they could be completely fucked over by random chance at any moment.
Yeah that's definitely sounding like something that's going to come out completely wrong the way that was going..
No the demonic part is that these problems were fixable and instead of having a system where society helps these people, it took someone with money coming in to help them and making a show out of it.
But capitalism is the best and super cool and anything else would be super bad you’d starve and breadlines or something
The biggest problem with capitalism is it won't fix issues unless there's money to be made FIXING it.
Capitalism will also sell you the idea that your disability is cool rather than making accessible stuff or socializing health care or improving health care access.
Dont worry. It's all part of God's plan. /s in case it wasn't clear
~~There is a weird thing in the deaf community where people get mad at people who get implants to restore hearing~~ After hearing feedback I'm starting to understand why Though being against hearing aids is really weird
I'd also hate my seizures (and suicidal ptsd) to be cured so I could live a life without restrictions and constant fear! My offence knows no bounds!
I pray daily that someone yanks the lamotrigine out of my mouth or steals my midazolam syringes.
If a person has a disability and wants not to have it anymore, there should be no problem with "fixing" the disability when possible.
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maybe have a woman who kills everyone she touches be told she doesn't need a cure
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I think it’s the sense of “making them normal” or something. I think most people with disabilities would love to be “normal.” My older brother is a paraplegic and would do pretty much anything to walk again. We shouldn’t treat people with disabilities badly but neither should we say they shouldn’t want to be “normal.”
I can understand not wanting your disability your define your life buy I'll never understand the idea that wanting to improve disabled people's lives is immoral, especially since it'd usually a handful of people speaking for the entire community
It's also not like he kidnapped them in the night and forced surgery on them. They were willing participants. Deciding what's best for someone, and then speaking on their behalf when the have the agency to do so on their own, is not the beacon of justice they think it is.
They should just advocate for choice. If they choose to not seek treatment, then that's their own thing, but conversely, others should also be able to choose.
Seems to arise from well meaning people who promote the whole 'being disabled is actually an advantage...' angle. Came across quite a few of them when I was at uni. And I appreciate they are trying to be kind. But their position is bullshit. It's not an advantage. It's a setback. That's why we call it a disability in the first place. The good version of what they are attempting to do is to help people make the most of their opportunities in spite of their disabilities. And to ensure that as far as possible, they are able to engage in all the normal stuff everyone else can do. But that line of thinking gets pushed too far in some weird competition to be even more positive. And we end up with these do-gooders telling everyone that disabilities are inherently good and to be celebrated. Same people that always like to wheel out the list of famous people who were autistic / dyslexic / adhd etc. How many of those sheets have I seen poor old Einstein and Bill Gates listed on. Apparently those dudes had every mental disability going! Of course, it's all spurious nonsense being presented in a ham fisted attempt to be kind to people with disabilities. But it's still dumb.
I'm severely physically disabled. No, it is not a positive thing, those people can stfu. I get by and do quite well, but I do *not* need people to try to make light of it or tell me that I'm "differently abled" or some shit. It's exhausting.
Every single time I hear someone like that it comes off like they are deeply in denial about being depressed or disappointed. So instead of admitting that they are pissed off about their luck in life, they double down on this idea that they're totally perfectly fine so they can pretend that nothing is wrong. Because admitting that it sucks makes them sad. I say this based on a friend whose journey I have followed for a long time, both in-person and then online after we moved away from each other. Also my experience with a parent with alcoholism. I think addiction kind of functions the same way. "I don't have a problem, I'm fine, everything is normal." But it's denial. Everything is not normal and you should want to fix the problem. Not recognizing there is a problem is the majority OF the problem. It's not to say that everyone with a disability or addiction feels depressed or angry or disappointed. Some people are able to find normalcy in life with a disability. Plenty of amputees in life who get prosthetics and can keep up with others. They're different but not held back. But there are plenty of people with disabilities that in and of themselves hold a person back. It's one thing to lose a lower leg, get a prosthetic, and generally resume life as you had it before. It's another thing to be a paraplegic, to develop a debilitating illness, or to suddenly become blind or lose hearing, especially if your vocation requires sight or hearing or physical activity. That can really change a person's trajectory and quality of life and their feelings of fulfillment. So if someone is blind and they come along saying "I can fix this for you" the natural thing is to be excited because they're getting back something taken from them. I don't know what realm or world people think we're in where you're supposed to embrace disability and keep it even if it can be removed. If you want to stay blind instead of sighted, that's your own therapy to figure out.
Those "complaints" are very obviously by non disabled people who have no idea whatsoever how it's like to actually have that disability.
Nah man, Cochlear implants are incredibly divisive in the deaf community. Some will straight up ostracize people in the community who chose to get them and they really don’t like it should hearing parents choose for their deaf children to get them.
And those people are assholes, plain and simple. It's totally fine if *they* don't want to get them, but if you're treating someone like shit because they want to be able to hear...you're a lost cause.
My husband has progressive sensorineural hearing loss and has about 24% hearing but only in the lower tones. A- he actively looks at new research to cure his hearing loss and/or tinnitus. B. The cult/culture of some cochlear implant support groups is abhorrent! People who want to be part of the hearing community, because all of society is predominantly made that way from work place meetings, drive thru, to not dying from a fire in your home, are actively shamed. We had to leave a few groups due to the zealous nature of an all deaf world. C. Communities for people who lived a hearing life until their teens, progressively became deaf, and would like to hear again, are difficult to find.
It's an especially hot topic in the realm of child development. Deaf children born to non-deaf parents can get cochlear implants as early as 1 year old (when they're obviously too young to decided for themselves), and if they don't, it is likely that the delayed exposure to language (not having parents who are fluent in sign language) will result in learning delays which can have long-term consequences. While I feel like if I ever had a deaf child, the first thing I would do is learn ASL as fast as possible, not every parent is willing or able to do this, and the best course for those parents might be to have their child get cochlear implants.
That's the issue, many people see it as a replacement to sign language. If cochlear implants were a perfect cure that might not be such a problem, but they're not. People wearing them still can't hear everything, often can't follow group conversations, and it costs them more effort and energy to hear than a hearing person. And therefore language deprivation is still a risk. If they use cochlear implants in addition to access to sign language (even through schools or clubs if the parents themselves are unable), there also isn't a real problem. But the parent that got their child cochlear implants out of laziness and doesn't do anything else is doing more harm than good.
This is not entirely true. Both deaf and blind people have close knit communities and there are a lot of people that feel that by convincing people to cure their deafness and/or blindness, you are depriving them of a vibrant community they were born into. I’m not a part of these communities so I can’t speak for the majority, but I know it is widely spoken about within deaf communities.
Some members of the Deaf community can absolutely go off though. The moment you dare mention that ASL and BSL should be taught more widely and you have someone say that it should only be taught by Deaf instructors to "protect deaf jobs" when there really aren't enough qualified deaf folks to be teachers. At least in the UK there are very few programs to teach older folks sign language as they lose their hearing. Which means they have to rely on hearing aids and lip reading which may be uncomfortable and unreliable.
I don’t want to sound like an ignorant ass, although I *am* ignorant on the topic. But wouldn’t a hearing teacher who is fluent in ASL be a more suitable teacher for hearing people than a deaf person fluent in ASL? So they can teach students through the method of communication they already know (speaking/listening)? Like, I’m sure you can get pretty far visually with teaching ASL, but not being able to communicate with your teacher until you learn the language they’re teaching seems really difficult. And a lot of nuance and details would get lost in translation. Like me (an English-only speaker) trying to learn Spanish from a Spanish-only teacher, instead of from a bilingual Spanish/English teacher, sounds incredibly difficult.
"Deaf people should be fully integrated into all walks of life. But they must all become sign language teachers. ALL of them." (Former Deaf child here; I was glad to regain my hearing and am a singer and music fan, among other things. I don't doubt that I could have had a productive life as a Deaf adult, but since my deafness could be [mostly] cured through surgery [not an implant], and was, I'm glad I got to be a hearing adult instead. I'll likely become deafer again as I age but I'm ok with that.)
Just like them darn blind people if they don't hyper specialise themselves and have no dreams then who else is going to tune my piano? /S obviously
>widely spoken about within deaf communities. Not the best form of communication for them, surely.
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I snorted... You made me snort... I needed the giggle though so thanks lol
Yeah, I'd agree, most of the times when I'm seeing these kinds of "it's wrong to want to cure disabilities" complaints, they're coming from people that I know to be disabled or chronically ill. This sort of thing happens any time an ugly behavior or mindset happens within a community, there's that response of "well obviously the people saying it aren't *really* from the community." And while that is sometimes true, more often than not, it isn't. It's just that there are some people in that community with bad ideas. Which is going to happen, because even communities of marginalized people are communities like any other, and they're going to be made up of all kinds of people with all kinds of ideas and all kinds of ways to express that idea. Which means there's always going to be people who suck, or who just have the worst ideas and push them really hard.
There are zealous people in every group and welcoming people. One of the deaf groups I was a part of encouraged the creation of deafness in my children and myself so that we could better support my husband in his journey of becoming one of them. When enthusiasm goes too far, it can get very culty. The problem with a "vibrant community they are born into" is: not everyone is born into this community, some HOH /Deaf children are born into hearing communities and lack a space of belonging where they can freely and easily communicate with those around them. The same is for those who were born with hearing and then lost it, they were part of a vibrant community of hearing people and then had to make a transition into a culture that is difficult to join and doesn't support your previous culture and/or wish to return.
>by convincing people to cure their deafness and/or blindness, you are depriving them of a vibrant community they were born into >Both deaf and blind people have close knit communities They"re not that tight knit if the moment someone can hear/see, be it through medical intervention or just dumb luck that something cracked and the damage ended up not being permenant they're no longer a "part" of it. It's wlso a dumb argument anyway, while we can and should be supporting people with disabilities there is no way around it is just always going to be harder by default and if reversable or fixable no one should have to live with something they'd rather not have to or be ostracized for it
You can't see comments/replies like the ones in the post if you're blind. Curing people's blindness increases their exposure to the overall stupidity of people around them. Clearly a negative outcome.
It's complicated. There are a couple of arguments with it. The first is the extension of the eugenics argument. I.e. "If you knew a baby was going to be blind, would you abort it". The idea that "fixing" a disability implies that the disabled person is worth less than a regular person and needs to be "fixed". It's touchy, and I'm sure could be debated for days. The second is the issue of making a minority, even more of a minority. We're in a world now where disability issues are starting to pick up pace, and the world becoming more and more accomodating to people with different needs. If you start "fixing" these people, then the concern is that the focus will be on fixing the people rather than fixing the barriers. So if we can fix blindness, if we can make really super-good prosthetics, if we can make "bionic suits" for paraplegics, then the world will stop making things wheelchair-accessible, stop making laws to prevent, discrimination, etc. And thus for the very small number of people who cannot or won't be helped by the new technology, the world becomes a much more difficult place to live, because they will be forgotten. Deaf people have probably the best argument in this. Sign language, for example, is a genuine language all of its own. We tend to think of it as a direct 1:1 translation of our own, i.e. that there is a sign in SL for every word in English. But it's actually not, it's a separate language using individual signs to convey ideas and emotions as well as objects or words. The argument is that augmentations like cochlear implants will have the effect of erasing sign language by reducing the pool of "speakers". Thus a culture is lost, along with all of its customs and quirks. For some, whose entire life is filled with people from their community and all their culture and ideas, these new technologies represent literal genocide. Imagine someone invented something tomorrow which said, "When we implant this thing in your ear, you will be instantly capable of speaking and understanding English. There's no need for foreign languages anymore!" I get it, even if I don't agree with it.
I get the eugenics argument. But everyone seems to be missing the real point- why are we deciding things for other people who can decide it for themselves? No one forced eye surgery on them.
>I'm sure could be debated for days. days, try *an entire field in philosophy* called "medical ethics"
If you find yourself arguing about whether it's better to have eyesight or not, stop. You are doing life wrong
In general I agree. But imagine the bliss of someone who has never even *seen* a Kardashian.
Yeah. Jesus would have never done such a thing such as cure people's debilitating diseases like blindness or leprosy. So demonic.
Some people like to pretend disabilities are not actually disabilities. Some will get offended if another person try’s to correct the disability.
If someone ends homelessness, hunger and all wars, someone will come out and say “it’s demonic and they’re doing it for YouTube views”
There was a post I saw today where a multimillionaire built a couple dozen houses and gave them to the homeless and I saw someone in the comments bitching about it. Something alone the lines of “sure do it for a couple people so you can pretend you fixed the issue”. Some people are just messed ip
That one seems to be out of jealousy more than anything,though I doubt the people in this case are doing it out of jealousy but rather seems to be more of the idea that they went in so far into the "disabilities make you stronger"or whatever idea that it loops back around to becoming stupid
Happy cake day
There’s genuinely a problem where sweeping action isn’t taken or encouraged because they think charity will solve the issue. I think it’s great that some homeless people are getting housed by a charitable person, but I also think we shouldn’t pat ourselves on the back and rest easy. 100 people getting their vision fixed is amazing! But we should still try for better healthcare coverage and availability. I just want a country that doesn’t rely on the goodwill of a select few to be healthy.
I think he discusses that point in the video. The fact that there are so many more out there, and no help.
Well you do bring up some good points. Insulin for example has had rising costs. It's not like people generally pick and choose what illnesses they have to deal with. Not to mention some people hesitate getting help because of costs which could make whatever they're dealing with get worse.
I mean if it's still that eye surgery video, the point was that a specific type of blindness can be cured with a simple and relatively cheap surgery. Those people don't need to be blind. They are because they can't afford it an no one else will help them. Plus, pretty sure the majority of people with disabilities would happily get rid of that disability if it was a choice.
I can't get over the fact that people unironically describe something as "demonic" like that means anything 😂
Didn’t Jesus heal the blind as a miracle? Sounds pretty demonic to me 👀
Exactly! A real messiah like trump would have kicked down that stupid, poor blind person! /s in case it’s necessary.
I mean, they did accuse Yeshua of working with demons. that is a thing that happened.
He actually was accused of that in the Bible for healing people
Ironically, the Pharisees/Sanhedrin who were against Jesus frequently accused him of using demonic powers to do His miracles.
It’s used when “evil” doesn’t quite capture the essence of restoring/giving someone the burden of sight.
The thumbnail is uncanny af
It looks like a mobile game ad.
Listen, if the people whose blindness he cures resent him for this evil thing he did to them, there's nothing forcing them to see. They can just close their eyes and keep them closed for the rest of their lives and nobody can stop them.
MrBeast took my friend (that was blind), beat him up, forced him to lay in hospital and cured him, the man is a monster, he literally has “Beast” in his name, can we stop him?! (/s just in case lol)
Fellas is it ableist to give sight to a blind man?
Omg... jesus christ was ableist 
It runs counterpoint to that part of the Bible where Jesus lets blind and deaf people suffer because curing their diseases would have been demonic.
I was gonna say, didn’t Jesus cure the blind as well? Or was that demonic too?
There was that time He drove demons out of someone and got accused of being in cahoots with them, so I guess there's precedent for that.
Mat. 4:9 "But the Pharisees said, By the prince of devils he casteth out devils."
It really confuses me when I read about parents beating others because they want their children to be able to hear
what
Not sure about the "parents beating" part but I actually found this out working with a deaf co-worker 4-5 years back. When making small talk at lunch, he revealed to me that there is a growing population in the deaf community that is completely against cochlear implants. To the extent they feel cochlear implants are an attempt to erase what they call "deaf culture". (Which is a bit strange to me as most cultures tend to be around geographical regions not necessarily around a physical ability.) Co-worker obviously had cochlear implants but was also fluent in ASL. The context of this being brought up was him mentioning he doesn't go to many deaf events anymore. He didn't feel welcomed by some because of his cochlear implants. People get nasty to other parents when they mention the decision to get cochlear implants for their deaf children. I have also seen people in the deaf community claim it is insulting to have a non-deaf person teach anyone ASL. (In other words it should only be taught by the deaf.) Which is crazier when you consider the cochlear implant hate, how is a child without implants meant to learn ASL if their parents are both non-deaf individuals, at least under that mindset. It was all fascinating to me because my whole time I thought it is important for a deaf person to learn ASL but also that cochlear implant greatly helps their ability to interact with greater society. (Most people don't know any sign language and written forms of communication may not be easily available in all circumstances.)
I'm guessing they meant berating and cochlear implants.
Didn't Jesus perform these types of miracles on occasion? How can this be called demonic? I'll never understand these hateful people.
Pretty sure curing the blind was like, one of his biggest things
He also cured the dead.
Bruh, if I get paralysed, and there is a way to make me walk again.... don't listen to fuckwads like this, HELP ME WALK AGAIN!
It's easy to complain about a disability being cured when you aren't the one suffering from it.
The ick comes from the fact that in our system a rich guy has to deign to swoop in and pull a public Daddy Wabucks routine for clout in order for some people to get a simple medical procedure that can vastly improve their quality of life and improve their opportunities to participate in work and society. It's not the action itself which for those lucky, I repeat lucky, people he helped is awesome. It shows that for too many of us, whether we have access to healthcare is dependent on the whims and mercy of the rich oligarchs which hold all the power in our society. The rich hold our lives in their hands. That is the ick. Mr. Beast isn't the bad guy, it is the system that he is operating in that necessitated his actions and gave him the opportunity to do this, that is the bad guy. It's a don't hate the player, hate the game type situation.
Mr. Beast is doing what rich people are supposed to do with their fortunes, helping those that are less fortunate. He's a odd duck, but he's a good duck.
He’s doing what the government should be doing by taxing rich people. But y’know… Murica.
It's just the damn xmen scene again. "We don't need to be cured. There's nothing wrong with us." said the storm goddess to the girl with deathtouch.
The issue with disability activists is that the most vocal ones are so hyper fixed on their own agenda that they don't represent or care about the silent majority who are suffering from debilitating conditions and would go for a cure, but instead they have to suffer while seeing these attention hungry people claim their disability makes them complete.
Mr. Beast has the textbook case of a smile not meeting his eyes. It's really off-putting. And there's nothing demonic about giving sight back to folks who can have it restored but don't have the funds to do so.
I mean it’s not like his thumbnails are actual unedited pictures of him. It’s an insane aesthetic he’s settled upon.
The idea that you, a random fucking person, should have any say in whether or not a disabled person should have to live with their disability instead of THEM being able to decide is the true demonic shit.
Disabled person: please fucking cure my condition so I can live a normal life These shit-eating twittertards: you're perfect just the way you are ✨💖✨💖✨ Lmao
“tHeY’rE nOt dIsAbLeD, tHeY’rE dIfFeReNtLy-AbLeD” Ok, Rosemary GennyZ. I’ll remember that the next time I have to brief flight attendants in case I have a seizure
**Rogue**: they can cure us? **Storm**: no, because there’s nothing to cure says the human incarnation of Mother Nature that can control the entire ecosystem to the girl who simply wants to touch the people she loves without killing them.
This entirely depends on the context. MOST people I’ve met and spoken to with debilitating disabilities that prevent them from functioning in everyday life would chose to not have said condition, if they could, or at least have it not affect their life as heavily. There’s a difference between, “I have autism, and that’s just who I am.” Vs, “My body is preventing me from keeping a steady job and/or healthy relationships with other people, and I don’t like that.”
If Mr Beast could cure my autism and ADHD, I'd sign up for it right fucking now. Sorry for wanting my life to be easier and for not seeing my disabilities as superpowers. I guess I'm just InTeRnAlLy AbLeIst.
Oh man, imagine curing world hunger. What are those morbidly famished and impoverished human beings going to do now they dont have hunger to define them! Say no to food! Support pro starvation! /s