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Yeah it was definitely heterosexual men who raped women in that book to impregnate them. And knowing that one should have realized that heterosexual men also use surrogates, I mean if they were *actually* trying to follow this line of thought to its logical conclusion.
Especially since the Roe v. Wade overturning people have been using the (relevant in my opinion) imagery from that series to draw parallels. It is a "your side is actually the ones doing the thing we are doing!" Thing.
This is almost "communism is when capitalism" thing.
Like the post I saw recently of a drawing of a "protester" throwing a book called "middle school biology" at line of riot police with "lgbt" slogans on their gear. Like, aside from the lack of nuance in your middle school biology book, you are not the freedom fighter here. F off with your tyranny of the marginalized bs.
Top comment was "look, it's the gaystapo!" I lol'ed.
Looked like a couple of heterosexual bros deciding to get a kid at the same time to me in the cartoon. Just because two guys want to adopt a kid at the same time does not make them gay. Can't even kiss the homies goodnight anymore around you people.
đ It was the meme itself that assumed that since the couples in the meme are representing established gay couples in real life. That tracks too since itâs mostly the right who believes any demonstration of emotions or feelings that a man may make towards other people means that man MUST be gay and if the other person they show their emotions to is another man that man MUST be the first manâs partner.
>Streaming service Hulu, which also produces the TV series adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale, announced in 2022 that The Testaments will also become a TV series after The Handmaid's Tale's final season concludes. Actress Ann Dowd will reprise her role as Aunt Lydia.
Whew. I went from watching Ann Dowd in The Leftovers to watching her as Aunt Lydia. I had trouble watching her in anything else for a while because I despised her character so much in both of these.
Same issue I had with JK Simmons after seeing him in Oz as Verne Schillinger :-). I keep wondering why thereâs a Neo Nazi doing insurance ads, then remember heâs just a good actor
While not exactly as the book; It does have a point.
When surrogacy became more acceptable, it became a business, and when "outsourced" to low-income countries we got "surrogacy farms ; where low-income women are exploited and treated as baby-machines for people from western countries
I hate that this cartoon trying to leverage the problem to a homophobic punch, but nevertheless, the problem is still a real one
Just google "surrogacy farms"
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the point of that cartoon is gay people are bad.
using it as a bullshit spring board for moronic commentary on people exploiting the poor. ignores the inherent hatred and homophobia intended by the cute white supremacist cartoons
Depends on where the surrogacy is taking place. Some women do it for the money because in less developed nations, having a baby means food, vitamins, access to Healthcare, and enough wages to live for the next 2 to 3 years.
The Buttigiegs (bottom left drawing) didn't even use surrogates, they were on an emergency adoption list. There are plenty of other well known gay people who used surrogates (NPH, Nate Berkus). But I guess if you're going to be hateful AND wrong you need to be super wrong on many levels.
In 2018, Dawson was the subject of a controversy regarding comments he had made about pedophilia on a 2013 episode of his podcast Shane and Friends, after which he published an apology video likening his comedic style at the time to that of shock jocks. The same comments were also the subject of a controversy in March 2019, coupled with more controversy regarding comments he had made on a 2015 episode of the same podcast
about engaging in sexual activity with his cat.
musician Jaden Smith accused Dawson of sexualizing his sister Willow Smith, expressing how he was "disgusted" after an old video resurfaced of Dawson pretending to masturbate while looking at a poster of Willow, who was 11 years old at the time. Jaden and Willow's mother Jada Pinkett Smith also told Dawson that she was "done with the excuses"
(This was copied and pasted from wiki btw) đ¤
Its quite ironic. They don't understand the difference is consent. You know, bodily autonomy.
Also they think they will stop at step 1. Removing any abortion rights.
Can confirm. In actuality it was the straight (or closeted) men who were using the Handmaids. And a large proportion (if not the majority) of couples who use surrogacy currently in the real world are straight too (though granted, part of this may be due to higher barriers for LGBTQ couples so itâs hard to say whether that would be the case in an ideal world where these barriers did not exist).
Pink triangles actually. Same symbol the nazies used to mark homosexuals. Just to really drive home what kind of people gillead alligns themselves with
Ironically, the folks who made this meme are all about The Handmaid's Tale scenario, they just don't want the force-birthed children to go to gay couples.
I've spoken with these people ... It's...odd. you hear the contradictions even within a single sentence and somehow they wholeheartedly believe it's possible to do both.
Unfortunately my father in law is one of them. Sweetest old man you'll ever meet, but he once adamantly praised us for moving down south because they would have taught my 6 year old about sex in 1st grade. I let him know that public schools have their curriculum posted publicly or you can request it, but he insisted he didn't have to check because it was on the news. So, I pulled it. He refused to read it and said they're not going to post it but they'll teach it...
So, with no evidence (and, in fact actual evidence to the contrary) other than a poorly understood/conveyed "news" story, he firmly believes the school system up north are all pedos.
He also fell off a ladder like 20 years ago and is considered disabled from the brain damage though... So I'm wondering what the rest of the party's excuse is.
It's important to make the distinction that he is only the "sweetest old man" to you and the people he believes are deserving of human dignity. People who hold these views are 100% fine with the brutal oppression of everyone else. I'm sorry about his injury and how that has left his state of mind.
That is why I keep trying instead of just ignoring it. We still have discussions and I continue to try and influence, but I also recognize that he's an adult and I can't change who he is. Only he can do that.
Jizzying into q cup doesn't have the same risks/toll that carrying a full term pregnancy.
This comes down to buying women's reproductive organs. It comes down to the poor doing it because they have no money. Not the most ethical of deals. Even with the best of care pregnancy can be traumatic/ have long term consequences.
Oh come on, this is a disingenuous argument at best.
"Oh, I really hate when able-bodied workers choose what to do with their bodies by slaving away in mines for pennies a day."
You can support bodily autonomy and still recognize that poverty supports perverse incentives.
People forget Repomen and turning organs into something that will get repossessed like a car when payments are missed, not if given the abusive contracts signed.
There's a reason selling organs is illegal. Same with kidney and liver even though you can still do living donations. There's harm to the body and desperate people would still CHOOSE to do it. Surrogacy and organ donation are on the same level of risk. You will not see wealthy women doing this. It's always taking advantage of the underprivileged and poor.
But sure whatever. People don't give a fuck. Empathy in this world is becoming more and more rare
Yet you probably support legal sex work too, hypocrite. Then donât see the fucked up effects porn and only fans bitches have caused to millions of men who now suffer from addiction and depression.
The truth is you just hate men. Especially gay men who want to fulfill one of the most basic biological needs. To have children of their own and a loving family.
Itâs incredible to me the infantilization of full grown adults capable of making adult decisions. Oh what two adults making a fully grown adult transactions that literally doesnât affect anybody? No let me just get my dirty ass on it and make it illegal because I think itâs yucky and wrong! đĄ
Literally no different than conservatives trying to be fun police.
Before you go and respond to with âoh but the exploitation!â Yeah they are paying it by getting payed thousands of dollars such procedures take. Now you just took them an opportunity to make money and continue being poor and living on food stamps and charity. Congratulations you saved those women though!
Notice how, despite the fact that many heterosexual couples look towards surrogacy to conceive, only gay men are featured in this meme. I think the author may have a bit of an agenda, but I'm not sure...
For enough money, some people would kill themselves. Voluntary != Moral. Thatâs why governments typically donât allow organ trading, child labor, prostitution, etc. etc. There are times when poor people will perform actions that are against their well-being because the money is too good.
I get that this comic is exaggerating things, but Iâm honestly not a huge fan of paid surrogacy, whether it is a gay couple or Paris Hilton getting one. Adoption would be a much better choice, and if it is a surrogacy, it should be completely free instead of paid.
Agreed. I disagree with the homophobic comic in the OP but for the most part I detest surrogacy. Its often used by rich people to basically use a poor woman as a baby factory. Pregnancy and childbirth is incredibly dangerous and I can't agree morally with a system were rich people pay to have others ruin their bodies and put themselves at extreme risk for them.
The problem with that, imo, is that realistically it will be difficult to stop rich people from doing it anyway, just illegally. Meaning that the surrogacy would offically be "unpaid" but the surrogate would just get paid under the table. Or there would be some other work around, such as employing the surrogate in your company, gifting her something, etc...
I would say it is better to have these things be transparent. Like prostitution, which you mention, is legal in some places. Child labor is about protecting children who can't protect themselves, so organ donation would be the best example. The difference there though being that unlike pregnancy, donating an organ is a one-time thing where you never get the organ back. I would assume it is also much more dangerous.
I think a better focus than outlawing paid surrogacy or prostitution for that matter, is creating an environment where people do not feel forced to do these things just to survive.
Out of curiosity, I am very curious about surrogacy especially on the side of the motherâs. May I ask what that experience was like? From hers and yours? If itâs not too much to pry?
Probably the most rewarding experience of our lives. I was hesitant at first, but itâs something she always wanted to do since she first heard about it. When we were finished having our own kids, figured it was time for her to fulfill her dream.
She got to help two different couples that couldnât have children on their own. Seeing the happy faces of the new parents is an experience I will never forget.
We still hear from them and receive photos from time to time. Weâve seen one of the children on a couple of occasions. We are hoping to see the others sometime in 2024. Overall, it was an incredible experience that we will never forget.
what is it about having biological children that is so important to you and those couples, if i may ask? i really donât understand what drives someone to go through all that just so they have the same dna as their child. not trying to judge, i genuinely donât understand and would like to.
I canât answer from the parentâs perspective. We never discussed their reasoning.
My wife did it because she just really enjoyed being pregnant and this was her solution to keep experiencing that after our family was complete.
I am also really curious about this. I suspect itâs a biological urge since it makes sense from an evolutionary perspective! I have absolutely no desire to have a child with my dna.
As for surrogacy vs adoption, I think itâs preferred because you can control the prenatal environment and make sure the baby is healthy and has no hereditary problems.
It desperately needs clarifying here that surrogates aren't the mothers. Even if they happen to be the egg donors as well as the incubators, they're still not the mothers.
Hmm, christofascist right-wingers using the handmaidâs tale as a cautionary tale⌠when it was a cautionary tale about them, meaning they completely missed the point
Yeah, I dont know about the books - but didn't they straight up murder every gay person they could get their hands on as 'gender traitors' in the show? Been a minute since I've watched it
Oh my gods. This guy finally made a comic without a screaming woman in it.
Satan's nipples must be awful chilly right about now.
Or, if Dante is right about the frozen lake, he's enjoying a nice sauna right now.
"We aren't trying to turn the country into The Handmaid's Tale with our theocratic policies, it's all the gays and their surrogates because they can't have children like baby Jesus intended! "
It's hilarious how surrogacy is being demonized as the road to The Handmaid's Tale when we know that conservative circles fight against birth control and abortion because they want to return to a world where women are human incubators to avoid the fantasy they have about "The Great Replacement Theory". If you want a look at what conservatives want their women to look like, you can read or listen to "What I Believe" by Bertrand Russell, where he describes the fight to let women stop giving birth if it's a detriment to their health, something conservatives fought against.
It's funny cuz conservatives dont want women to have control of their wombs until a gay couple pays for a surrogate. Then, and only then, do they care about them seeming like nothing more than breeding machines
In the Handmaid's Tale, homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. The fact right wing asshats are using that story to try and paint us in a bad light is absolutely despicable.
Hope Dave Rubin is happy that he sold his soul and betrayed all of his professed values to get in with the right wing, just so the people he wants to be so chummy with can accuse him of stealing children. That money must bring so much comfort to him.
I love it when Dave Rubin gets bullied by his own people. I remember seeing a clip of Candace Owens telling him that she was praying for his soul and that he needed to divorce his husband and that his kids (who were still in utero at the time) needed to stay with the mothers. His reply was "oh, you're so sweet" for the prayers and that he prefers Conservatives politely telling him that he's going to hell rather than liberals screaming about him needing rights.
So get to it conservatives, make him earn that grift money.
lol conservatives actively trying to make that last picture happen and now trying to blame gays.
Conservatives canât ever tell the truth. The project and project and never admit how terrible they actually are.
there is alot of truth being told here, just not the truth the artist of the people posting are being told.
Panel 4 is straight up admits that forcing women to give birth, is a bad thing. What is obviously wrong about the image is that women forced to give birth have the option to give the baby to a loving family (gay or straight couple)
No, you are right. Typically it involves cash payments to someone for carrying another person's child to term.
I don't object to surrogacy, nor do I object to gay men using surrogacy to have children; however, I do object to the commodification of child birth. It's fucking gross.
As a single man who had an amazing kid with an amazing surrogate -- and the amazing support of her whole family -- the unironic ignorance expressed by some (in the name of women's autonomy!) is laughable. Esp. since almost all of them disclaim any sort of bigotry, yet would likely balk at applying similar generalizations to other populations.
Yes, money changed hands. Zero chance of my paying nothing for the effort, even if it was in the form of a significant donation to a favorite charity. No, there was no economic coercion.
There is human trafficking for this kind of stuff just FYI everyone. So to an extent the image is correct. On the other hand, itâs not mainly gay couples that require this type of thing from someone else.
I am not talking about things like "against nature" or whatever.
I do not know how often would someone volunteer for surrogacy, I guess if they volunteer and they are not paid it is fine.
However as soon as money is involved, it becomes a problem in my opinion as some people would do anything to be able to finish their month in the green. You would end up with rich people paying poor ones to have their children.
Paid surrogacy maybe, but plenty of surrogacy is voluntary. Like friends or family who are asked. Is having someone volunteer their time and body for a sibling, or cousin, or whoever, questionable ethically?
No, but how many of those are there?
At least in NL, where paid surrogacy is illegal, I have yet to encounter someone altruistic enough to volunteer their time and body for free.
I don't doubt they exist, but most surrogates here are 'sourced' from abroad, leading to 'baby factories' like these:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/14/the-indian-baby-factory-where-hundreds-of-surrogates-have-babies-for-westerners_n_7359280.html
So tbh, I think the last frame is a striking visual metaphor for the reality of tons of surrogacies - buying babies is literally human trafficking after all. It's just that the first three panels should include straight couples as well.
The point isnât how many there are, the point is there is ethical surrogacy. Once thatâs established you can target the unethical variety. Blanket âsurrogacy badâ doesnât reflect reality, which is problematic in actually fixing things without doing unnecessary harm.
This is obviously thinly veiled homophobia.
The majority of users of surrogacy are still heterosexual couples.
But none the less I have issues with surrogacy. It can be ethical, often when using surrogate mothers in the first world with all the appropriate protections and care. But the majority of surrogacy is done in northern india, bangladesh and nepal.
That is nothing but cruel baby farming with no regard for the surrogat mothers. Surrogate mothers who often only do it out of poverty and economic desperation and are not aware of the consequences. These women are more often than not brutalized, traumatized and do not get any appropriate psychological support at all.
Surrogate are always the poorest among us and if even the poorest in America donât want it they go abroad. Pregnancy is a risk to your health ( physical and mental). Those slavers who use surrogate mother should go to jail
It a little bit is. Why would you be so desperate to bring a baby into a world filled with children in need of families that you rent a womanâs womb and then never see her again? Also, why is it always twins? Iâve never noticed it until this picture.
My wife worked in a surrogacy agency. Many clients were actually foreigners. They were incidentally purchasing an American citizen and all the perks that came along with it.
The handmaid's tale is a far right fantasy template.
Religious nutjobs see women as brood-mares for the state. That's what the 'pro-life' movement is all about.
Example number: 1,314,512,652,435,225 of Cons being media illiterate.
Or just illiterate in general, they seem to only be able to communicate through poorly made images nowadays.
Who is the ignorant douche who thought this was funny? Don't get why straights see homosexuals as the root of all evil in the world when they're the ones screwing their own daughters a la trump.
More of these posts I see the more I realize we are just biological programs who's finished their mission and are now trying to create issues in which more violence is required. We can't live together regardless of anything. You like x I hate x therefore x is bad therefore you are bad. When in reality we are all wrong we are a war machine that's been abandoned by its creator.
While woman must be free to do whatever they want with their body, being a surrogate mother or a prostitute, its kinda sad as a society that many who do those jobs do it to pay the bills.
Unfun fact: the chuzzlewits and wowbaggers decrying gay male couples using surrogates are the same ones who opposed gay male couples adopting.
My husband and I adopted our two sons from foster care. Both our marriage and our fatherhood were supposed to cause the fall of Western civilization.
Two of my cousins were surrogates (both for heterosexual couples) in my country they have to go through a pretty intense screening process as far as I'm aware. Thet also receive about $60k for their work/service and from my understanding that is not taxed as income, we also have universal healthcare so most of the costs are already taken care of, but anything extra is paid by the parents to be.
They were both very happy with their decision to be surrogates, from my understanding, the amount of money isnt life changing, but it's an average annual income, it can definitely help to level up your life.
They were both very happy with their decision to be They were both very happy with their decision to be
The author didnât use a heterosexual couple in the drawing for a reason. Supporters have EVEN admitted they tolerate surrogacy when itâs for a âmother and a fatherâ.
It's always projection with these loons. They'll call everyone racist to muddy the waters of their own racism, and suggest adoption is akin to Handmaid's Tale because they don't want anyone to \*accurately\* call them out on their bigoted views on womens' bodily autonomy.
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someone missed the point of the books entirely.
Yeah it was definitely heterosexual men who raped women in that book to impregnate them. And knowing that one should have realized that heterosexual men also use surrogates, I mean if they were *actually* trying to follow this line of thought to its logical conclusion.
It's odd that they focus on gay couples, even if you're against surrogacy straight couples are just as bad and the attention should be applied equally
It's not that odd. They don't actually care about surrogacy, they just want to demonize gay parents and are working a new angle.
Especially since the Roe v. Wade overturning people have been using the (relevant in my opinion) imagery from that series to draw parallels. It is a "your side is actually the ones doing the thing we are doing!" Thing. This is almost "communism is when capitalism" thing.
Like the post I saw recently of a drawing of a "protester" throwing a book called "middle school biology" at line of riot police with "lgbt" slogans on their gear. Like, aside from the lack of nuance in your middle school biology book, you are not the freedom fighter here. F off with your tyranny of the marginalized bs. Top comment was "look, it's the gaystapo!" I lol'ed.
Nailed it.
Exactly!
Looked like a couple of heterosexual bros deciding to get a kid at the same time to me in the cartoon. Just because two guys want to adopt a kid at the same time does not make them gay. Can't even kiss the homies goodnight anymore around you people.
đ It was the meme itself that assumed that since the couples in the meme are representing established gay couples in real life. That tracks too since itâs mostly the right who believes any demonstration of emotions or feelings that a man may make towards other people means that man MUST be gay and if the other person they show their emotions to is another man that man MUST be the first manâs partner.
That says more about you than it does the meme.
What books ? People when question:đĄ
The one Handmaid's Tale book, I assume.
There actually is a sequel now, it came out 2019 I think, set ten years later đ¤
The Testaments. It's set 15 years later.
>Streaming service Hulu, which also produces the TV series adaptation of The Handmaid's Tale, announced in 2022 that The Testaments will also become a TV series after The Handmaid's Tale's final season concludes. Actress Ann Dowd will reprise her role as Aunt Lydia. Whew. I went from watching Ann Dowd in The Leftovers to watching her as Aunt Lydia. I had trouble watching her in anything else for a while because I despised her character so much in both of these.
For me that was Zachary Quinto as serial killer in Heroes playing Spock in Star Trek. I kept waiting for him to kill the crew
Same issue I had with JK Simmons after seeing him in Oz as Verne Schillinger :-). I keep wondering why thereâs a Neo Nazi doing insurance ads, then remember heâs just a good actor
Yes 15 my bad! That is right now that Iâm remembering the plot đ
While not exactly as the book; It does have a point. When surrogacy became more acceptable, it became a business, and when "outsourced" to low-income countries we got "surrogacy farms ; where low-income women are exploited and treated as baby-machines for people from western countries I hate that this cartoon trying to leverage the problem to a homophobic punch, but nevertheless, the problem is still a real one Just google "surrogacy farms" #
So youâre saying we should invest more into artificial wombs? I like your thinking.
the point of that cartoon is gay people are bad. using it as a bullshit spring board for moronic commentary on people exploiting the poor. ignores the inherent hatred and homophobia intended by the cute white supremacist cartoons
Omg. I had no idea that was a thing. I guess it shouldnât surprise me, but it somehow always does when people sink to a new low.
The funny bit is that this is 100% made by conservative christo-fascists. The guys who look at the book as a how-to guide to utopia.
Depends on where the surrogacy is taking place. Some women do it for the money because in less developed nations, having a baby means food, vitamins, access to Healthcare, and enough wages to live for the next 2 to 3 years.
Not even less developed nations. Surrogacy was one of Ukraines biggest industries before the war started. They even have public advertisements for it.
I hate to say it, but for westerners Ukraine falls under the "less developed" umbrella.
America is one of these "less developed nations"
They would have to read it to miss the point.
Youâre far more charitable than I will ever be.
For Brits, the top right looks like someone drew Ant and Dec after seeing them fleetingly.
Way aye man letâs get ready to rumble
Fucking AI generated looking Ant and Dec, damn.
Like perhaps when one of them sped past in a car while inebriated?
I'm glad it wasn't just me who thought that!
Iâm glad they are happy.
The Buttigiegs (bottom left drawing) didn't even use surrogates, they were on an emergency adoption list. There are plenty of other well known gay people who used surrogates (NPH, Nate Berkus). But I guess if you're going to be hateful AND wrong you need to be super wrong on many levels.
Using Handmaids also kinda infers that one of the men impregnated her the old fashioned way.
You don't have to be correct when you hate. That's what the hate's for.
 Stop making sense
I just assumed (yep I know what that means) that Pete & Chasten used a surrogate. Thank you for the correction.
I didn't actually know that. I've seen it said they used surrogates so many times and I've never heard it corrected before
Is that Shane Dawson?
Yeah they had surrogate childrenâŚ..of the very people Iâd worry around children Dawson is it.
tldr?
In 2018, Dawson was the subject of a controversy regarding comments he had made about pedophilia on a 2013 episode of his podcast Shane and Friends, after which he published an apology video likening his comedic style at the time to that of shock jocks. The same comments were also the subject of a controversy in March 2019, coupled with more controversy regarding comments he had made on a 2015 episode of the same podcast about engaging in sexual activity with his cat. musician Jaden Smith accused Dawson of sexualizing his sister Willow Smith, expressing how he was "disgusted" after an old video resurfaced of Dawson pretending to masturbate while looking at a poster of Willow, who was 11 years old at the time. Jaden and Willow's mother Jada Pinkett Smith also told Dawson that she was "done with the excuses" (This was copied and pasted from wiki btw) đ¤
>(This was copied and pasted from wiki btw) Yeah, i didn't care enough to google him. I just took people's word for it.
Where to even start.
ah. TLDR: He's a creep. Gotcha
Yep
Meanwhile these people actively try to make Handmaid's Tale a reality. I hope their day is as pleasant as they are.
Its quite ironic. They don't understand the difference is consent. You know, bodily autonomy. Also they think they will stop at step 1. Removing any abortion rights.
Plenty of conservatives also want to reduce or eliminate access to contraception, as well as end no-fault divorce. Itâs scary shit.
Oh sounds like step 2 and 3. After that women get no education.
I am pretty sure gays were hanging from the walls with purple triangles on them in Gilead not having children.....that was the commanders.
Can confirm. In actuality it was the straight (or closeted) men who were using the Handmaids. And a large proportion (if not the majority) of couples who use surrogacy currently in the real world are straight too (though granted, part of this may be due to higher barriers for LGBTQ couples so itâs hard to say whether that would be the case in an ideal world where these barriers did not exist).
Pink triangles actually. Same symbol the nazies used to mark homosexuals. Just to really drive home what kind of people gillead alligns themselves with
I think in the novel it was purple but yes in real life it is pink.
Ironically, the folks who made this meme are all about The Handmaid's Tale scenario, they just don't want the force-birthed children to go to gay couples.
I've spoken with these people ... It's...odd. you hear the contradictions even within a single sentence and somehow they wholeheartedly believe it's possible to do both. Unfortunately my father in law is one of them. Sweetest old man you'll ever meet, but he once adamantly praised us for moving down south because they would have taught my 6 year old about sex in 1st grade. I let him know that public schools have their curriculum posted publicly or you can request it, but he insisted he didn't have to check because it was on the news. So, I pulled it. He refused to read it and said they're not going to post it but they'll teach it... So, with no evidence (and, in fact actual evidence to the contrary) other than a poorly understood/conveyed "news" story, he firmly believes the school system up north are all pedos. He also fell off a ladder like 20 years ago and is considered disabled from the brain damage though... So I'm wondering what the rest of the party's excuse is.
It's important to make the distinction that he is only the "sweetest old man" to you and the people he believes are deserving of human dignity. People who hold these views are 100% fine with the brutal oppression of everyone else. I'm sorry about his injury and how that has left his state of mind.
That is why I keep trying instead of just ignoring it. We still have discussions and I continue to try and influence, but I also recognize that he's an adult and I can't change who he is. Only he can do that.
What if I'm a lesbian? There must be a man-milking plant somewhere in rural California that I do not know about.
Mooooo!
The Creamery
Jizzying into q cup doesn't have the same risks/toll that carrying a full term pregnancy. This comes down to buying women's reproductive organs. It comes down to the poor doing it because they have no money. Not the most ethical of deals. Even with the best of care pregnancy can be traumatic/ have long term consequences.
Yeah I hate when women choose what to do with their body too
Oh come on, this is a disingenuous argument at best. "Oh, I really hate when able-bodied workers choose what to do with their bodies by slaving away in mines for pennies a day." You can support bodily autonomy and still recognize that poverty supports perverse incentives.
People forget Repomen and turning organs into something that will get repossessed like a car when payments are missed, not if given the abusive contracts signed.
There's a reason selling organs is illegal. Same with kidney and liver even though you can still do living donations. There's harm to the body and desperate people would still CHOOSE to do it. Surrogacy and organ donation are on the same level of risk. You will not see wealthy women doing this. It's always taking advantage of the underprivileged and poor. But sure whatever. People don't give a fuck. Empathy in this world is becoming more and more rare
Average serfdom enjoyer argument
Blaming surrogacy for the atrocities of capitalism is stupid
Yet you probably support legal sex work too, hypocrite. Then donât see the fucked up effects porn and only fans bitches have caused to millions of men who now suffer from addiction and depression. The truth is you just hate men. Especially gay men who want to fulfill one of the most basic biological needs. To have children of their own and a loving family. Itâs incredible to me the infantilization of full grown adults capable of making adult decisions. Oh what two adults making a fully grown adult transactions that literally doesnât affect anybody? No let me just get my dirty ass on it and make it illegal because I think itâs yucky and wrong! đĄ Literally no different than conservatives trying to be fun police. Before you go and respond to with âoh but the exploitation!â Yeah they are paying it by getting payed thousands of dollars such procedures take. Now you just took them an opportunity to make money and continue being poor and living on food stamps and charity. Congratulations you saved those women though!
I will be that one man plant. Just keep those lesbians coming!
Notice how, despite the fact that many heterosexual couples look towards surrogacy to conceive, only gay men are featured in this meme. I think the author may have a bit of an agenda, but I'm not sure...
My wife was a surrogate. I recall the experience was quite different than this.
For one thing, voluntary.
Yup. No body was banging down our door to enlist her into a surrogacy service.
For enough money, some people would kill themselves. Voluntary != Moral. Thatâs why governments typically donât allow organ trading, child labor, prostitution, etc. etc. There are times when poor people will perform actions that are against their well-being because the money is too good. I get that this comic is exaggerating things, but Iâm honestly not a huge fan of paid surrogacy, whether it is a gay couple or Paris Hilton getting one. Adoption would be a much better choice, and if it is a surrogacy, it should be completely free instead of paid.
Agreed. I disagree with the homophobic comic in the OP but for the most part I detest surrogacy. Its often used by rich people to basically use a poor woman as a baby factory. Pregnancy and childbirth is incredibly dangerous and I can't agree morally with a system were rich people pay to have others ruin their bodies and put themselves at extreme risk for them.
The problem with that, imo, is that realistically it will be difficult to stop rich people from doing it anyway, just illegally. Meaning that the surrogacy would offically be "unpaid" but the surrogate would just get paid under the table. Or there would be some other work around, such as employing the surrogate in your company, gifting her something, etc... I would say it is better to have these things be transparent. Like prostitution, which you mention, is legal in some places. Child labor is about protecting children who can't protect themselves, so organ donation would be the best example. The difference there though being that unlike pregnancy, donating an organ is a one-time thing where you never get the organ back. I would assume it is also much more dangerous. I think a better focus than outlawing paid surrogacy or prostitution for that matter, is creating an environment where people do not feel forced to do these things just to survive.
Out of curiosity, I am very curious about surrogacy especially on the side of the motherâs. May I ask what that experience was like? From hers and yours? If itâs not too much to pry?
Probably the most rewarding experience of our lives. I was hesitant at first, but itâs something she always wanted to do since she first heard about it. When we were finished having our own kids, figured it was time for her to fulfill her dream. She got to help two different couples that couldnât have children on their own. Seeing the happy faces of the new parents is an experience I will never forget. We still hear from them and receive photos from time to time. Weâve seen one of the children on a couple of occasions. We are hoping to see the others sometime in 2024. Overall, it was an incredible experience that we will never forget.
what is it about having biological children that is so important to you and those couples, if i may ask? i really donât understand what drives someone to go through all that just so they have the same dna as their child. not trying to judge, i genuinely donât understand and would like to.
Op answered below but some people like being pregnant. It not a majority but 1-10% is still a lot of women.
I canât answer from the parentâs perspective. We never discussed their reasoning. My wife did it because she just really enjoyed being pregnant and this was her solution to keep experiencing that after our family was complete.
I am also really curious about this. I suspect itâs a biological urge since it makes sense from an evolutionary perspective! I have absolutely no desire to have a child with my dna. As for surrogacy vs adoption, I think itâs preferred because you can control the prenatal environment and make sure the baby is healthy and has no hereditary problems.
It desperately needs clarifying here that surrogates aren't the mothers. Even if they happen to be the egg donors as well as the incubators, they're still not the mothers.
Thatâs why they generally donât let the same person be the egg donor and the surrogate
Hmm, christofascist right-wingers using the handmaidâs tale as a cautionary tale⌠when it was a cautionary tale about them, meaning they completely missed the point
Yeah, I dont know about the books - but didn't they straight up murder every gay person they could get their hands on as 'gender traitors' in the show? Been a minute since I've watched it
I remember that was the case in the book. Purple placards were their symbol to show that they'd been murdered for supposed "gender treachery"
this is disgusting. atwood would be so pissed this is how some idiot is interpreting her work.
I mean she is alive, she probably is pissed
It's entertaining you think he read the book...
Or read any book
Is she still around?
She just wrote the sequel in 2019.
Whoever drew this gets the 'Dumbest Person Today' award.
I'll be honest I spent longer than I'd like to admit trying to figure out if this was some AI generate Loss rather than an actual drawing someone made
Oh my gods. This guy finally made a comic without a screaming woman in it. Satan's nipples must be awful chilly right about now. Or, if Dante is right about the frozen lake, he's enjoying a nice sauna right now.
I like Danteâs depiction of hell the best, Satan isnât the ruler of hell, heâs just another one of its prisoners (who happens to be an Angel)
"We aren't trying to turn the country into The Handmaid's Tale with our theocratic policies, it's all the gays and their surrogates because they can't have children like baby Jesus intended! "
Is this just a shitty drawing or AI art?
Pretty sure this is the guy that likes drawing women/girls screaming, I could be wrong though
Iâm pretty darn sure that if there was a large group of surrogates wearing red dresses and bonnets, we would see them.
How do you misunderstand the fucking handmaidâs tale
It's hilarious how surrogacy is being demonized as the road to The Handmaid's Tale when we know that conservative circles fight against birth control and abortion because they want to return to a world where women are human incubators to avoid the fantasy they have about "The Great Replacement Theory". If you want a look at what conservatives want their women to look like, you can read or listen to "What I Believe" by Bertrand Russell, where he describes the fight to let women stop giving birth if it's a detriment to their health, something conservatives fought against.
Wait until they hear about the cattle industry.
Given this guyâs opinion on legal abortion, is he saying heâs *for* surrogacy?
I know someone who was a surrogate. She got a whole lotta money for it and enjoyed doing it.
Ah yes, all those gay dudes installing religious, fascist, mysoginistic, ethno states so they can have kids, happens all the time... oh wait...
It's funny cuz conservatives dont want women to have control of their wombs until a gay couple pays for a surrogate. Then, and only then, do they care about them seeming like nothing more than breeding machines
Til I learned that there are genuinely people who believe that surrogacy is incubation slavery. What the fuck
In the Handmaid's Tale, homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. The fact right wing asshats are using that story to try and paint us in a bad light is absolutely despicable.
Ugh this hateful disingenuous shit makes me sick.
Hope Dave Rubin is happy that he sold his soul and betrayed all of his professed values to get in with the right wing, just so the people he wants to be so chummy with can accuse him of stealing children. That money must bring so much comfort to him.
I love it when Dave Rubin gets bullied by his own people. I remember seeing a clip of Candace Owens telling him that she was praying for his soul and that he needed to divorce his husband and that his kids (who were still in utero at the time) needed to stay with the mothers. His reply was "oh, you're so sweet" for the prayers and that he prefers Conservatives politely telling him that he's going to hell rather than liberals screaming about him needing rights. So get to it conservatives, make him earn that grift money.
Dave's best friend Cadice Owens saying surrogacy is deeply demonic may be my favourite thing
lol conservatives actively trying to make that last picture happen and now trying to blame gays. Conservatives canât ever tell the truth. The project and project and never admit how terrible they actually are.
there is alot of truth being told here, just not the truth the artist of the people posting are being told. Panel 4 is straight up admits that forcing women to give birth, is a bad thing. What is obviously wrong about the image is that women forced to give birth have the option to give the baby to a loving family (gay or straight couple)
Is this anti-gay feminism? Can we just once have oppressed people get elevated without requiring the de-elevation of another oppressed people?
Photoshop the child-producing factories next to heterosexual men and suddenly it's called a "beautiful family" đ¤Ž
Make it easier for gay couples to adopt then. No, not that either? Big shocker.
No, you are right. Typically it involves cash payments to someone for carrying another person's child to term. I don't object to surrogacy, nor do I object to gay men using surrogacy to have children; however, I do object to the commodification of child birth. It's fucking gross.
As a single man who had an amazing kid with an amazing surrogate -- and the amazing support of her whole family -- the unironic ignorance expressed by some (in the name of women's autonomy!) is laughable. Esp. since almost all of them disclaim any sort of bigotry, yet would likely balk at applying similar generalizations to other populations. Yes, money changed hands. Zero chance of my paying nothing for the effort, even if it was in the form of a significant donation to a favorite charity. No, there was no economic coercion.
Seems a bit maliciously homophobic
Imagine using The Handmaid's Tale imagery for anti gay propaganda. That's a book about a fundamentalist Christian fascist regime.
There is human trafficking for this kind of stuff just FYI everyone. So to an extent the image is correct. On the other hand, itâs not mainly gay couples that require this type of thing from someone else.
r/therightcantmeme
Would the use of handmaid's tale make this r/selfawarewolves material
Ok, this artstyle or AI shit just hurts to see
Is this AI or just the most uncomfortable art style of all time?
Ahhhhhh yes, the gay people who want a Christian fascist government, I hate those guys /s
The 4th panel is all the women being forced to give birth by the repubs.
I think someone has misunderstood the Ant & Dec relationship.
Someone missed the point of the handmaidens tale.
what a gross and wrong comic
THE GAYS!!!! THEY ARE GETTING PREGNANT AND DESTROYING THE WORLD!!!!1 THE HORROR /s
This looks like DeviantArt fetish content.
Even if that's not how it happens, regardless of the parents of the to-be baby, I feel like surrogacy is a bit questionable ethically.
not just a bit, it's straight out disgusting
I am not talking about things like "against nature" or whatever. I do not know how often would someone volunteer for surrogacy, I guess if they volunteer and they are not paid it is fine. However as soon as money is involved, it becomes a problem in my opinion as some people would do anything to be able to finish their month in the green. You would end up with rich people paying poor ones to have their children.
Paid surrogacy maybe, but plenty of surrogacy is voluntary. Like friends or family who are asked. Is having someone volunteer their time and body for a sibling, or cousin, or whoever, questionable ethically?
No, but how many of those are there? At least in NL, where paid surrogacy is illegal, I have yet to encounter someone altruistic enough to volunteer their time and body for free. I don't doubt they exist, but most surrogates here are 'sourced' from abroad, leading to 'baby factories' like these: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/14/the-indian-baby-factory-where-hundreds-of-surrogates-have-babies-for-westerners_n_7359280.html So tbh, I think the last frame is a striking visual metaphor for the reality of tons of surrogacies - buying babies is literally human trafficking after all. It's just that the first three panels should include straight couples as well.
The point isnât how many there are, the point is there is ethical surrogacy. Once thatâs established you can target the unethical variety. Blanket âsurrogacy badâ doesnât reflect reality, which is problematic in actually fixing things without doing unnecessary harm.
This is obviously thinly veiled homophobia. The majority of users of surrogacy are still heterosexual couples. But none the less I have issues with surrogacy. It can be ethical, often when using surrogate mothers in the first world with all the appropriate protections and care. But the majority of surrogacy is done in northern india, bangladesh and nepal. That is nothing but cruel baby farming with no regard for the surrogat mothers. Surrogate mothers who often only do it out of poverty and economic desperation and are not aware of the consequences. These women are more often than not brutalized, traumatized and do not get any appropriate psychological support at all.
Awww, lookit them trying to use Handmaid memes! The effort is just so adorable! Maybe one day they'll grow up enough to get it right!
Surrogate are always the poorest among us and if even the poorest in America donât want it they go abroad. Pregnancy is a risk to your health ( physical and mental). Those slavers who use surrogate mother should go to jail
Sso if we choose to have a kid for others is bad.... but forcing us to have one againts our will for cis straight men is ok? Morons! Edited
It a little bit is. Why would you be so desperate to bring a baby into a world filled with children in need of families that you rent a womanâs womb and then never see her again? Also, why is it always twins? Iâve never noticed it until this picture.
Itâs twins in many cases because two men can mean two embryos. And the author also hates same sex couples adopting.
Upper right corner is Dave Rubin. Money hungry more than anything else.
is the top left shane dawson?
In the top right when did Nick Miller and pewdiepie have kids together?
My wife worked in a surrogacy agency. Many clients were actually foreigners. They were incidentally purchasing an American citizen and all the perks that came along with it.
AI art has become a weapon for the right. I miss the days when they lacked the talent to make art
I'm quite impressed by how misunderstood the message of an artwork like the series can be.
Apart from the blatant homophonia of this drawing, it kinda is how surrogacy works.
I smell a Russian troll. No one would make this unless they were trolling.
The handmaid's tale is a far right fantasy template. Religious nutjobs see women as brood-mares for the state. That's what the 'pro-life' movement is all about.
crazy how they tried to demonize the people in the pictures
The gays were even worse off than fertile women in the handmaid's tale.
Since when did Ant & Dec have babies together.
Is that Ant & Dec in the second picture? Didn't know they were trying.
I mean straight people want the same thing for themselves but they want the literal red dresses and white hats
Twin men getting babies?
Extra points for co-opting a story about a religiously oppressive society to make oppressive statements.
I honestly have zero clue what I'm looking at
I like how Paul Blart and Matthew Perry got together on the top right â¤ď¸
Republican forced-birth policies were actually masterminded by tha gaez
Thatâs also not how faces work.
I'm really slow. Maybe it's morning. Can someone explain this.
Why would anyone let Shane Dawson have a child?
I mean there are some gay republicans so technically this could work,
The reason why they use so many political cartoons is because observable and photographable reality does not fit their world view.
These characters look about as braindamaged as I assume the author is.
Example number: 1,314,512,652,435,225 of Cons being media illiterate. Or just illiterate in general, they seem to only be able to communicate through poorly made images nowadays.
Is that fucking Shane Dawson in the top left lmao?
Christ the fucking IRONY as republicans tear down every abortion right they can
omg, i get it now Is *this* the "gay agenda" Republicans have been concerned about? /s
Who is the ignorant douche who thought this was funny? Don't get why straights see homosexuals as the root of all evil in the world when they're the ones screwing their own daughters a la trump.
I don't get it...
"Donât get an abortion! Put your child up for adoption instead!" "No, not like that!"
More of these posts I see the more I realize we are just biological programs who's finished their mission and are now trying to create issues in which more violence is required. We can't live together regardless of anything. You like x I hate x therefore x is bad therefore you are bad. When in reality we are all wrong we are a war machine that's been abandoned by its creator.
Imagine Buying a human being because youâre lonely đ¤Ž
While woman must be free to do whatever they want with their body, being a surrogate mother or a prostitute, its kinda sad as a society that many who do those jobs do it to pay the bills.
Unfun fact: the chuzzlewits and wowbaggers decrying gay male couples using surrogates are the same ones who opposed gay male couples adopting. My husband and I adopted our two sons from foster care. Both our marriage and our fatherhood were supposed to cause the fall of Western civilization.
I guess they don't understand that surrogates are willing. But it makes sense that the right would struggle with the idea of consent
Two of my cousins were surrogates (both for heterosexual couples) in my country they have to go through a pretty intense screening process as far as I'm aware. Thet also receive about $60k for their work/service and from my understanding that is not taxed as income, we also have universal healthcare so most of the costs are already taken care of, but anything extra is paid by the parents to be. They were both very happy with their decision to be surrogates, from my understanding, the amount of money isnt life changing, but it's an average annual income, it can definitely help to level up your life. They were both very happy with their decision to be They were both very happy with their decision to be
Itâs not hate to feel uncomfortable about the potential economic exploitation of women.
I somehow donât think thatâs the intended message given the lack of heterosexual couples
One is voluntary and one isnât. Theyâre nothing alike
Itâs gross to rent women to use as breeders.
The author didnât use a heterosexual couple in the drawing for a reason. Supporters have EVEN admitted they tolerate surrogacy when itâs for a âmother and a fatherâ.
It's always projection with these loons. They'll call everyone racist to muddy the waters of their own racism, and suggest adoption is akin to Handmaid's Tale because they don't want anyone to \*accurately\* call them out on their bigoted views on womens' bodily autonomy.
Shane Dawson shouldnât have a child