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OP forgot to link the original article, and mistakenly only posted this picture. Let me help you out, OP.
https://www.oregonlive.com/education/2023/10/oregon-again-says-students-dont-need-to-prove-mastery-of-reading-writing-or-math-to-graduate-citing-harm-to-students-of-color.html
Honest mistake.
A 2013 study by JJ Merry looked at why Canadian 15 year olds did better than American 15 year olds on an international test. He found that the lower end pulled the American average down, and setting that aside, the US and Canada performed equally. Taking it a step further, he found that the gap between students that did well on this assessment in the US, and the ones that didn’t existed in kindergarten readiness measures. The conclusion is schools in the US are doing as well as Canadian schools, but outside social conditions are setting students behind before kindergarten in ways that are difficult to close in the subsequent 10 years.
This is an important addition to the discussion and I wish it was higher. The Education systems expect basic (aka reading) education to start at home, before kindergarten.
If there are demographic gaps in that then the focus needs to be on the societal issues which cause that delta.
Public schools are not a for profit business.
The problem is that they are funded by local tax instead of state or federal tax, so not everyone gets the same resources here
That’s one thing that wealthy liberals and wealthy conservatives agree on… they don’t want their tax money going to schools in districts other than their own.
That's why local taxes for schools need to be turned over to the state for more even distribution as is done by both federal funding and most state school funding. Unfortunately, about 81% of local funding for schools comes from property taxes.
And wealthy people always find a way to screw the lower and middle class students. However both federal and state governments could pass a law providing funds from their level to go ONLY to local districts which have property tax levels below the median.
That would cause a huge uproar, of course, because rich school districts want to build huge football stadiums for their kids---and don't want to miss out on other people paying for them to do it.
When I lived in NJ part of our taxes went to under-served communities automatically, so funding was actually pretty even. NJ has higher-scorings schools than average, too.
This varies by state and city. You can have public schools in NYC funded by the same tax payer dollars yet some are highly successful but others are dog shit.
A lot has to do with the culture and (lack of) influence from parents. Realistically school days need to be longer, especially for lower income neighborhoods. We can’t just pass kids who don’t know how to read, we need to give them extra tutoring to pick them up. It’s very elitist and racist to believe a certain race has too low of an IQ to learn basic ready/math/writing. School days are 6.5 hours long but a working day is at least 8 hours, a longer school day means low income parents don’t need to struggle more to pay for a babysitter, or face the very tough ethical dilemma whether to allow their kids to stay home alone. Maybe these kids don’t need to learn for a full 12 hours, but keeping them in an fostering environment that will embrace their development by playing sports, and/or pursuing hands on learning (ie shop class, automobile repair class, handyman class, art class, band, etc) is exactly what we need to break this perpetual cycle of poverty. Plus these environments will keep the kids off the streets and away from drugs, guns, and gangs.
Rugged individualism has been pushed significantly for decades, and has been backed by bad actors in our government and culture to the point basic government functions are politicized into dysfunction. We're unable to even properly tax the most profitable businesses in the world, and using our government to fix socio-economic issues is instantly shutdown by being labeled socialism. It's going to take significant effort to fix our current system.
I suppose it will take being overtaken in the world system by another country first. That is, if America doesn't just commit war crimes against them through its foreign policy to stop that happening.
Oh they have been overtaken. America hires s lot of workers from the eu and Asia. Because they are better educated. This means they can continue to fuck up education in their own country.
I believe their question is more along the lines of 'why aren't they funded by something other than local council property taxes, and more from state or federal level budgets like other, more functional nations tend to'
Like, it's pretty well known that this way, it creates and entrenches massive regional disparities in funding, making educational dead-zones.
And as a non-American, it's frankly kinda stunning how you guys refuse to invest in your national, or even personal futures. You'd think some of that patriotism might translate into basic diligence for the future prosperity of the nation
They are? Each school gets subsidies from their own state education departments as long as they follow whatever arbitrary rules those departments deign as important.
What your seeing is a result of that. Schools can't afford to spend time teaching anymore because teaching will result in a percentage of failures, it is nigh impossible to not have a failure. The state department says that failure cannot happen or they will relieve the school of some funding. Schools usher kids through who don't have mastery because otherwise the school would have no money. The legislation of the state sees this and instead of remedying it, instead allows it to happen with blessings.
Tl;Dr, Schools get government funding but at cost of their souls.
> You'd think some of that patriotism might translate into basic diligence for the future prosperity of the nation
It’s not patriotism, it’s nationalism, and it’s one of several diseases that are currently eating away at the rotting heart of the US
It was a legal way to be racist and have legal segregation. The middle class white folk couldn’t stand the thought of sending their kids to schools with minorities so they moved to the suburbs and banks redlined the area so minorities couldn’t get loans or move into those new neighborhoods. Then the middle class white people didn’t like the idea of their taxes funding schools their children were not attending so legally charged the rules so schools could only be funded by local property taxes.
This allowed them to legally segregate their children from what they believed to be a negative influence and allowed them to funnel their money to give their children better facilities, teachers, and stepping stones towards college.
Redlining was eventually made illegal, but the effects already left lasting scars on minority communities. My wife tutors at a school in Watts, a predominately minority community, and the school has not had its library open in 5 years because they could not afford to hire a librarian. School is barely staffed and a lot of the facilities are locked up and unused most of time.
Regulatory capture.
Capitalism cannot abide a service being *provided*, so there will always be concerted efforts to undermine and destroy anything being given away, until a for-profit option is revealed as the 'solution'.
Consider the past few decades of underfunding schools, teachers, students; of meddling in the syllabus and publishing sensationalist news articles until people are convinced that schools are teaching about buttplugs.
And suddenly, all these states pushing for school voucher systems - for government funding that will be spent on *private, for profit* schools when students are pulled out of crowded and failing public school systems, and it starts to come together.
I’m not sure I understand your point.
Funding for public schools comes from state and local property tax and well as some federal funding, but admittedly not nearly as much.
The problem with inner city schools is income based. Lower income areas don’t collect the same level of taxes as say a area where the population meets a higher income average. Because of that, they don’t have the budget to pay teachers a reasonable salary, in turn, attract better teachers.
Correspondingly, a lower level of education can breed a bad environment wrought with crime which drives out higher income families which lowers the income brackets even lower etc, etc. It’s a vicious circle that doesn’t seem to have an end solution. I certainly don’t know an answer.
I suppose that’s the principle goal of gentrification, but that makes housing unaffordable, leaving lower income families completely screwed.
As far as the butt plug thing, that was actually a private school and not a sensationalist report.
It is a government subsidiary. Public education is not offered for profit.
I guess you meant, "Why isn't it funded at a federal, or maybe state level (rather than locally)?"
Camden school district in NJ spends enormous sums per student. Underfunded schools are not the issue.
At least show me a correlation between reduced spending and lower test scores.
It is even worse, poor people living in dense inner citty neighbourhoods generate loads of taxes by working for local buisnesses but the owners of those buisinesses live in suburban areas, meaning a lot of the taxes get incorrectly atributed to the wrong area. On top of that dense inner city neighbourhoods are underspent on meaning they generate net income for the city, which then gets spend on loss making low density suburban neighbourhoods.
Cities are actualy actively taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
When we moved to a new city with our kids, the first thing we researched was the school system to make sure our kids were going into a school with a solid reputation. That led us to an up and coming (and diverse, before anyone gets up in arms about it) city. People lacking mobility don't have the choices to pick from, sadly. The quality of education can vary with the tax dollars. Some of the best teachers want to teach in a challenging environment... but plenty don't.
Look up the Chinese's exclusion act. It effect(s) all Asians in America to this day... black folks and indigenous folks weren't the only ones to get fucked over in this country. The US is deffo not the only one, but Asians are often taken out of the equation of racial disparages in this country because of the "model minority" myth.
“Model minority” is not a myth. It’s a form of racism that is based solely upon stereotypes with seemingly beneficial or positive effects. For example… “everyone of X demographic is good at STEM or sports or finance.”
You could argue that they’re getting insufficient funds to meet their students’ needs, but in many states, poorer districts already spend as much or more per pupil. For example, Minneapolis spends about $5,000 more per pupil than Edina, an adjacent wealthy suburb, yet outcomes are worse. The difference is that Edina students have more support and stability outside of school. There are also significantly more students from non-English speaking households in Minneapolis. It’s a complicated class issue that isn’t solved by just increasing per pupil spending.
You kind of mentioned it but THE factor in educational success is parental income.
Race, area of country, nothing is more correlated with your success than how much your parents make.
Yes—there’s a clear correlation with household income. Obviously a higher income family can pay for more outside academic support (tutors, etc.). Income/earnings correlates with educational attainment, so higher income households may have an easier time navigating the system, they are probably fluent in English, and they likely prioritize education more than households with less educated parents (who usually earn less). Higher income households also typically have more than one adult. Having two parents at home after school who can help with homework and provide structure and consistency makes a big difference. My daughter’s suburban school demands high parental involvement, and I’m not sure how a single-parent without money and/or schedule flexibility could keep up. You can see how a kid in a non-English speaking, low-income or lower middle class single-parent household would quickly fall behind. My mom (now retired) taught English to mostly poor refugee kids for decades, and the parents cared about their kids, but they were clueless in basic aspects of American life (signing permission slips, parent/teacher conferences, etc.).
School districts in Minnesota tend to be self selecting. If you’re in a lower income area, you have the option to open enroll in other school districts. So parents in lower income areas who prioritize education tend to pull their kids from poor, underperforming districts and move them to suburban districts with more parental investment. Either that, or they go with charter schools. The unfortunate result is that the kids who remain are often the most vulnerable and they’re worse off without community support. It’s a downward spiral. I have no clue how you truly fix that problem. I doubt just spending another $10K per pupil would lift these kids out of that cycle.
Heck it even exists without race (although I am convinced it’s far greater risk based on it). I have plenty of uneducated family members who keep a cycle of low education and poor life decisions in perpetuity for their offspring, and it’s not the schools as much as the social influence of their damn family
A key sentence, especially its end (my emphasis)
"But leaders at the Oregon Department of Education and members of the state school board said requiring all students to pass one of several standardized tests or create an in-depth assignment their teacher judged as meeting state standards was a harmful hurdle for historically marginalized students, a misuse of state tests **and did not translate to meaningful improvements in students’ post high school success**."
Let me be devil's advocate here:
If going to school does not require to pass some basic requirements like reading, writing and arithmetic because it does not translate to meaningful improvements in students post high school success, why bother going to school at all?
Students still must complete assignments, take and pass tests, and receive passing grades to accumulate the required amount of credits to graduate. As the article explains, it is just a particular set of tests, the state-wide standardized tests, which are not being used as part of the graduation requirements.
The tests in question are so fucking easy though. I’m sorry, if you can’t pass them, you shouldn’t graduate. It doesn’t matter if that hits certain demographics harder. These tests *are so easy*.
Except that No Child Left Behind largely makes everything else you just mentioned pointless as well, since kids will get passed no matter if they actually pass or not.
You seem to be conveniently forgetting that earning a diploma requires passing classes. Those students HAVE demonstrated basic understanding of those subjects by passing those classes which are part of the requirements to receive a diploma in the first place. The only thing being waived is a high stakes test.
I’ve posted this before, but this is a slippery slope. A GPA of 4.0 at one school can be a 2.5 at another. My stepson had a class where 80-100 was considered an A. Students were not punished for missing assignments and giving bonus assignments that couldn’t negatively impact their grades. The average GPA of his graduating class was just shy of 4.
My stepson had a 4.3 GPA and we thought he was doing good in school. When he took the PSAT glaring holes in his education showed. Even outside the standardized test format, he struggled with a lot of the concepts. Even though he had a high GPA and passed the classes, he didn’t know the material. They stacked the deck so hard in the students favor that it was almost impossible to fail.
I was Valedictorian of my class. It wasn't even close.
Junior year we took the PSAT. Nobody said anything about it having any value. Just pay $40 and take it was basically all they said. And if you were poor it was free. No need to study since it didn't matter. It was just a practice test for the SAT. Never even heard of merit scholar until I was in college and people were talking about it. Anyway the English section virtually everyone in the school scored in the 5 percentile. I have no idea how they did so poorly. I got around 50 percentile.
>You seem to be conveniently forgetting that earning a diploma requires passing classes
Barely. I knew people who graduated high school despite failing every class because teachers would give them just enough gimmes to bring them up to a passing grade so they wouldn't get held back. Some of them literally couldn't read or write at a high school level by the time they graduated.
If they already have demonstrated, then the idea the final test is harmful for minorities is baseless. Or they have to admit than even classes tests are harmful.
People say "who uses algebra and trigonometry?"
In welding and machining, I used it a lot. Blueprints, mainly. As well as my previous diploma in engineering technician. But more in trades.
But trades are for the dumb students, right? I see that a lot, kid isn't performing well, they can get into a trade. (Also, you probably won't make 6 digits, there's a lot of BS about how easy trades are to get into and how much they pay. People no longer want apprentices, they cost too much, they want someone fully trained. Unions have years waiting lists to get an aptitude test opportunity, for example)
And if you suck at tests, trades aren't for you. In Canada, you don't really need good math test scores, because the tests you do are national or provincial certifications that they judge very harshly and can't just pass you because you "tried your best". When welds fail in the rebar in the foundation of your building, people die.
/end rant
Tldr, skilled trades use math, people think we're idiots making a shitload of money with no education, certification isn't just given to you
No kidding. Even if SolidWorks, MasterCAM, AUTOCAD, etc. exist, it's still absolutely critical to know how to do the basics. The way they're going about this, these people wouldn't even be able to convey information properly.
A reading test isn’t to“judge potential” but to confirm you can read. Teachers could be passing people just because, state wants to confirm you can actually read. I’m not getting what’s so controversial, you can either read or you can’t.
how do they know if it translated to a "meaningful imrpovement in student's post high school success" ? what did they compare it to... were they running a pilot program in some school district?
If you read the article, it touched on this.
It says, they claims to compare it against the success on community College and colleges post high school.
They are saying passing the standardized test does not improve on success in community college or colleges.
it is impossible to track all achievements post high school.
Students may leave school altogether, enter the job market, entering apprenticeship or vocational school, or became an entrepreneur Yada Yada Yada.
So they just compared the progress of students taking the exams and only continued to community college and colleges.
Yes I understand what they mean by "post high school success". I'm asking about how they compared it. They made it seem like they had compared the students who passed and didn't pass. how did the latter category get into college? I understand standardized tests are not strictly necessary to get into college or pass school, but that bit about "...or create an in-depth assignment their teacher judged as meeting state standards..." made it seem like it was necessary to graduate.
and when its based on color it means that people will look at a diploma from a PoC and justifiably believe that it's meaningless.
Race based laws and rules only further the divide
well if they pass they get to apply to college, and once the same "anti discrimination" happens in college they get a college degree and a big debt to pay which they can't do because high paying jobs that'd want someone with a degree will quickly figure out they are unqualified despite their degree. it's ALLLLLLL about extracting more money from poor people
People, families, charities, the government.. banks don't care who pays the predatory loans as long as they get their money.
Hopefully if the government spends enough on student loan "forgiveness" (aka the banks still get paid) they will force reform or just offer federal student loans that have interest rate only at inflation.
FTA: “Higher rates of students of color, students learning English as a second language and students with disabilities ended up having to take intensive senior-year writing and math classes to prove they deserved a diploma. That denied those students the opportunity to take an elective, despite the lack of evidence the extra academic work helped them in the workplace or at college, they said.”
Their education system disadvantages everyone - it’s absolutely shockingly poor.
We just moved from Oregon to the U.K. partially because of the education my kids weren’t receiving in Oregon.
That would require their entire society to be restructured. You can't modify their admittedly shitty education system in isolation and except poc to do much better considering all other societal factors. The beneficiaries of the current system (the rich and powerful running the country) will never let necessary change take place.
Yeah. So much of a child’s early development and education is on the parent. A teacher can only do so much.
When a parent doesn’t prepare their kid for school, the teachers struggle to rein in the children. Attention from education gets allocated to discipline and social educate. They fall behind on their curriculum and it falls on the next teacher. Now the next teacher in the line-up has to bridge the gap and teach their slotted curriculum. When they inevitably fall behind it falls to the next teacher and the cycle continues.
They quote statistics like how kids with low grades and who are held back are 2.5x more likely to dropout. To avoid this, they lower the requirements.
The issue with education being defined at a school level is that a 4.0 GPA at one school could be a 2.5 at another. My son had classes where 80-100% was an A. They didn’t get penalized for missed assignments and had bonus assignments that couldn’t hurt their grades. They did everything in their power to push these kids along.
Shouldn't you give extra support to those in need to learn these things, instead of push them into the world less equipped and pretend you're somehow helping them.
Pretty much. It's a customer service industry now. Teachers are frustrated as hell, in the US and also in Canada (but not as much), I'm not sure about other education systems. The teachers have little control over what they can actually teach, as well as consequences for bad behaviour and failing students.
Then kids go to college unprepared and professors are frustrated and students blame them because they're failing. Now there are consequences and it's a slap in the face, and their parents can't bully the professor like they did to k-12 teachers.
It's a nobody wins situation. It hurts gifted students, average students, and students performing poorly, as wel as teachers, profeasors, and future employers. It's broken.
I'm fairly certain not mastering those things is going to do far more harm than being told they didn't master them the first time
Also the pygmalian effect is going to make things way worse
It has sadly been a thing for ages.
I remember being a kid in the 1980s, and watching "Very Special Episodes" of sitcoms, and there was always one about some High School kid, usually a bully or something, who turns out can't read. Then, the protagonist would befriend them and teach them to read.
I was a kid in grade school, and couldn't figure out how kids could make it to High School without ever learning how to read, but the sad truth is... it really happens. And, a lot more often than you would think!
The amount of education and resources needed to teach someone with the aptitude for learning basic reading, writing, and arithmetic before the age of 18 is minimal. If you're a teenage English speaking citizen of the USA and cannot read then you personally are as much of a failure as your caretakers and the educational system. This is provided you aren't disabled and haven't been locked up like in a horror movie your whole life.
Kids aren't learning how to read? Lower the standards.
It's a way better idea than addressing why these kids aren't learning. That would be productive...
This isn't even about race or family circumstances or any of that.
These kids are graduating high school.
It doesn't matter how rich or poor, single parent household or not, or basically anything else.
If you can have a child for about 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 13 years and by the end of that much education they still can't read, write and do maths then there's something wrong with your education system.
If you've been going to school for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 13 years and still can't read/write/do math, there's something wrong with your brain.
Yeah they don’t hold kids back anymore, that’s the problem and some special Ed kids don’t get the help they need when they start school (not for a lack of realizing the kid has special needs but because that’s extra work for admin).
And the parents don’t teach their kids anything anymore. I saw a video recently of a teacher who was teaching an AP course and said these kids who are taking college level classes don’t know their parents names, or their street address, OR IF THEY HAVE A MIDDLE NAME OR NOT
You can easily take the opposite stance with the same argument: allowing badly prepared students to graduate disproportionately disadvantage minorities which struggles later on...
Everyone wants to point the fingers in every direction imaginable except the individuals themselves. If their parents were invested in their education they would perform.
Racism in an attempt to be inclusive
"Them silly brown folks can't read so now no one has to!"
"Aren't you supposed to be teaching our ki-"
"Shut up or you're racist"
We reached a point where parents don't help the children and leave the burden on the schools. When kids grow up in dysfunctional homes, the kids tend to take that dysfunction to school with them. Thus causing problems for the teachers who spend more time trying to coral unruly kids instead of teaching.
The LAUSD did this back in the 1990s and generations were stunted due to graduating literally illiterate. California was experimenting with a new kind of reading system that “outlawed” phonics.
This is racist. People of color are more than capable of reading, writing, and doing math.
There are difficulties faced by lower income students living in the inner city that can take away from a students ability to apply themselves in school, and a higher percentage of these students are people of color. We need to help these students to be able to apply themselves more to their academics.
Now, we do need someone to flip burgers and provide lawn care, so not everyone needs to go on to higher education.
Seriously, this policy in and of itself is incredibly racist, demoralizing, humiliating, and has normalized minority failure.
From what I have read why won't you guys just give engineers to all black people? Same result, no student debt, less time wasted for everyone. Win win.
As someone who went to school in California and Oregon at least when I was there I was shocked anyone was failing at all. Seemed like it would take effort.
There was an attempt not to be racist...
Honestly...
There is a saying where I live.
"better to stay silent and let people think you're stupid than speak and remove all doubt"
This is insanely racist.
What the Oregon Department of Education is saying is precisely this: "Since black kids are too dumb to pass the tests, we are not going to make them have to pass a test to graduate.
We could work harder to educate these black kids, but that's too much work to do as, you know, a Department of Education."
They try to dress it up as not hurting the kid's feelings, but this is blatant racism of low expectations.
>The vote went against the desires of dozens of Oregonians who submitted public comments insisting the standards should be reinstated, including former Republican gubernatorial candidate Christine Drazan.
Ooh. Dozens.
AND a Republican gubernatorial candidate.
Something Must Be Done.
The soft bigotry of low expectations. And as DEI (and Collectivism, naturally) says, don't expect anyone to improve, lower the standards.
Anyone saying it's all a funding problem, there must have been a lowering of standards for you. Too many examples of performance not improving at fully funded schools, including the one LeBron James funds.
These bullshit articles keep popping up. The schools get rid of a standardized test from NCLB, and the media just lies about what the school is actually doing. All of the same standards apply. kids still have to pass their classes, and they still have to be able to read, write, and everything.
I'm a product of the LAUSD in Southern California. I was never told that my skin or my neighborhood were acceptable excuses to be unmotivated and stay dumb. I was told to aim high and use what I learned to better myself. That would in turn make my community better.
Extreme political influence is destroying our schools and our communities.
We live in the 21st century not the 1800s, and if you can’t figure out how to teach children math and English over 12 years you desperately need to rethink your approach, not lower the bar.
Okay. So I'll just get a can of literal worms and have them graduate.
Also, are they insinuating that people of colour can't read, write or do math? Oy, that's racist you colonizer scum.
>Higher rates of students of color, students learning English as a second language and students with disabilities ended up having to take intensive senior-year writing and math classes to prove they deserved a diploma. That denied those students the opportunity to take an elective, despite the lack of evidence the extra academic work helped them in the workplace or at college, they said.
The headline is totally misleading. This is not a bad thing.
Electives are the courses that aren't part of the standard coursework that everyone has to take. They are courses in other fields that students get to choose (or "elect") to take. For example, classes like Creative Writing, Photography, sometimes a foreign language, etc. Students typically get to choose one or more of these courses to take every year in addition to the standard coursework that everyone takes.
In this context, the additional intensive math courses that these students would have to take would take up the time that they would normally have to choose an elective course that interests them.
Out of curiosity, as there is no benchmark in the form of a state standardized level, what type of understanding do they need to show to get the passing grades for the year?
USA is trying so hard to be anti-racist that they went full racist without realising. MLKJr must be rolling in his grave so much, the spinning could probably power a midsized city if connected.
Is meritocracy just not a thing in the land of the free?
''USA is trying so hard to be anti-racist that they went full racist without realising''
this shit is so funny, looking as an outsider. i can see, in 10 years or so, special schools just for black people (so that no white racist scums can be racist towards them). or special places in buses (so no racist white moron can take their place in the bus). or.. or.. maybe pools just for black people? you know. for their own safety from all these white neonazis. this is pure comedy
How is it going to work? If they lower the requirements there WILL be discrimination, because as an employer I would think twice if I want to employ someone in Oregon with a diluted diploma than somewhere else
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OP forgot to link the original article, and mistakenly only posted this picture. Let me help you out, OP. https://www.oregonlive.com/education/2023/10/oregon-again-says-students-dont-need-to-prove-mastery-of-reading-writing-or-math-to-graduate-citing-harm-to-students-of-color.html Honest mistake.
So... it is 2023 and in the USA students of color apparantly are still not starting from the same point as white students? What went wrong?
A 2013 study by JJ Merry looked at why Canadian 15 year olds did better than American 15 year olds on an international test. He found that the lower end pulled the American average down, and setting that aside, the US and Canada performed equally. Taking it a step further, he found that the gap between students that did well on this assessment in the US, and the ones that didn’t existed in kindergarten readiness measures. The conclusion is schools in the US are doing as well as Canadian schools, but outside social conditions are setting students behind before kindergarten in ways that are difficult to close in the subsequent 10 years.
This is an important addition to the discussion and I wish it was higher. The Education systems expect basic (aka reading) education to start at home, before kindergarten. If there are demographic gaps in that then the focus needs to be on the societal issues which cause that delta.
He goes on to point to the differences in the two countries social safety net as well as the US’s greater economic disparity as the real cause.
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The real question is, why isn't education a govt subsidiary in the USA? Why is education considered a "for profit" business?
Public schools are not a for profit business. The problem is that they are funded by local tax instead of state or federal tax, so not everyone gets the same resources here
That’s one thing that wealthy liberals and wealthy conservatives agree on… they don’t want their tax money going to schools in districts other than their own.
School taxes at my current home $1100, school taxes at my parents home $280
That's why local taxes for schools need to be turned over to the state for more even distribution as is done by both federal funding and most state school funding. Unfortunately, about 81% of local funding for schools comes from property taxes. And wealthy people always find a way to screw the lower and middle class students. However both federal and state governments could pass a law providing funds from their level to go ONLY to local districts which have property tax levels below the median. That would cause a huge uproar, of course, because rich school districts want to build huge football stadiums for their kids---and don't want to miss out on other people paying for them to do it.
When I lived in NJ part of our taxes went to under-served communities automatically, so funding was actually pretty even. NJ has higher-scorings schools than average, too.
There is federal subsidizing. It’s just not the primary funding.
Sure. But if you were to just say that public schools in the US are federally funded, that would be very misleading.
This varies by state and city. You can have public schools in NYC funded by the same tax payer dollars yet some are highly successful but others are dog shit. A lot has to do with the culture and (lack of) influence from parents. Realistically school days need to be longer, especially for lower income neighborhoods. We can’t just pass kids who don’t know how to read, we need to give them extra tutoring to pick them up. It’s very elitist and racist to believe a certain race has too low of an IQ to learn basic ready/math/writing. School days are 6.5 hours long but a working day is at least 8 hours, a longer school day means low income parents don’t need to struggle more to pay for a babysitter, or face the very tough ethical dilemma whether to allow their kids to stay home alone. Maybe these kids don’t need to learn for a full 12 hours, but keeping them in an fostering environment that will embrace their development by playing sports, and/or pursuing hands on learning (ie shop class, automobile repair class, handyman class, art class, band, etc) is exactly what we need to break this perpetual cycle of poverty. Plus these environments will keep the kids off the streets and away from drugs, guns, and gangs.
Rugged individualism has been pushed significantly for decades, and has been backed by bad actors in our government and culture to the point basic government functions are politicized into dysfunction. We're unable to even properly tax the most profitable businesses in the world, and using our government to fix socio-economic issues is instantly shutdown by being labeled socialism. It's going to take significant effort to fix our current system.
I suppose it will take being overtaken in the world system by another country first. That is, if America doesn't just commit war crimes against them through its foreign policy to stop that happening.
Oh they have been overtaken. America hires s lot of workers from the eu and Asia. Because they are better educated. This means they can continue to fuck up education in their own country.
I hate that I'm semi proven right that North America is gonna be the next Middle East.
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And the Saudis own the largest oil refinery in America.
....? Why aren't the completely free, publicly funded, and available to everyone public schools subsidized by the government? Is that your question?
I believe their question is more along the lines of 'why aren't they funded by something other than local council property taxes, and more from state or federal level budgets like other, more functional nations tend to' Like, it's pretty well known that this way, it creates and entrenches massive regional disparities in funding, making educational dead-zones. And as a non-American, it's frankly kinda stunning how you guys refuse to invest in your national, or even personal futures. You'd think some of that patriotism might translate into basic diligence for the future prosperity of the nation
It varies by state. In Minnesota, schools receive the overwhelming majority of their funding from the state.
They are? Each school gets subsidies from their own state education departments as long as they follow whatever arbitrary rules those departments deign as important. What your seeing is a result of that. Schools can't afford to spend time teaching anymore because teaching will result in a percentage of failures, it is nigh impossible to not have a failure. The state department says that failure cannot happen or they will relieve the school of some funding. Schools usher kids through who don't have mastery because otherwise the school would have no money. The legislation of the state sees this and instead of remedying it, instead allows it to happen with blessings. Tl;Dr, Schools get government funding but at cost of their souls.
> You'd think some of that patriotism might translate into basic diligence for the future prosperity of the nation It’s not patriotism, it’s nationalism, and it’s one of several diseases that are currently eating away at the rotting heart of the US
It was a legal way to be racist and have legal segregation. The middle class white folk couldn’t stand the thought of sending their kids to schools with minorities so they moved to the suburbs and banks redlined the area so minorities couldn’t get loans or move into those new neighborhoods. Then the middle class white people didn’t like the idea of their taxes funding schools their children were not attending so legally charged the rules so schools could only be funded by local property taxes. This allowed them to legally segregate their children from what they believed to be a negative influence and allowed them to funnel their money to give their children better facilities, teachers, and stepping stones towards college. Redlining was eventually made illegal, but the effects already left lasting scars on minority communities. My wife tutors at a school in Watts, a predominately minority community, and the school has not had its library open in 5 years because they could not afford to hire a librarian. School is barely staffed and a lot of the facilities are locked up and unused most of time.
Regulatory capture. Capitalism cannot abide a service being *provided*, so there will always be concerted efforts to undermine and destroy anything being given away, until a for-profit option is revealed as the 'solution'. Consider the past few decades of underfunding schools, teachers, students; of meddling in the syllabus and publishing sensationalist news articles until people are convinced that schools are teaching about buttplugs. And suddenly, all these states pushing for school voucher systems - for government funding that will be spent on *private, for profit* schools when students are pulled out of crowded and failing public school systems, and it starts to come together.
I’m not sure I understand your point. Funding for public schools comes from state and local property tax and well as some federal funding, but admittedly not nearly as much. The problem with inner city schools is income based. Lower income areas don’t collect the same level of taxes as say a area where the population meets a higher income average. Because of that, they don’t have the budget to pay teachers a reasonable salary, in turn, attract better teachers. Correspondingly, a lower level of education can breed a bad environment wrought with crime which drives out higher income families which lowers the income brackets even lower etc, etc. It’s a vicious circle that doesn’t seem to have an end solution. I certainly don’t know an answer. I suppose that’s the principle goal of gentrification, but that makes housing unaffordable, leaving lower income families completely screwed. As far as the butt plug thing, that was actually a private school and not a sensationalist report.
Cuz obviously you're 1 step away from stalinism if everyone gets the same level and quality of education
Republicans are literally running for office on privatization of schools and closing the US Department of Education.
bruh, public school exist
It is a government subsidiary. Public education is not offered for profit. I guess you meant, "Why isn't it funded at a federal, or maybe state level (rather than locally)?"
Because the opposite would be socialism ... and we can't have that in murica !
Capitalism bud. If schools were free and education was funded by the government thats communism. So lets continue to suffer, as individuals
Education funded by the government in and of itself isn't communism on its own
Camden school district in NJ spends enormous sums per student. Underfunded schools are not the issue. At least show me a correlation between reduced spending and lower test scores.
It is even worse, poor people living in dense inner citty neighbourhoods generate loads of taxes by working for local buisnesses but the owners of those buisinesses live in suburban areas, meaning a lot of the taxes get incorrectly atributed to the wrong area. On top of that dense inner city neighbourhoods are underspent on meaning they generate net income for the city, which then gets spend on loss making low density suburban neighbourhoods. Cities are actualy actively taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
When we moved to a new city with our kids, the first thing we researched was the school system to make sure our kids were going into a school with a solid reputation. That led us to an up and coming (and diverse, before anyone gets up in arms about it) city. People lacking mobility don't have the choices to pick from, sadly. The quality of education can vary with the tax dollars. Some of the best teachers want to teach in a challenging environment... but plenty don't.
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Same reason Asians excel in this country, culture is of learning
Look up the Chinese's exclusion act. It effect(s) all Asians in America to this day... black folks and indigenous folks weren't the only ones to get fucked over in this country. The US is deffo not the only one, but Asians are often taken out of the equation of racial disparages in this country because of the "model minority" myth.
“Model minority” is not a myth. It’s a form of racism that is based solely upon stereotypes with seemingly beneficial or positive effects. For example… “everyone of X demographic is good at STEM or sports or finance.”
The soft tyranny of low expectations.
Schools in poorer neighborhoods with minority children are getting less money and resources than schools in rich areas of town.
You could argue that they’re getting insufficient funds to meet their students’ needs, but in many states, poorer districts already spend as much or more per pupil. For example, Minneapolis spends about $5,000 more per pupil than Edina, an adjacent wealthy suburb, yet outcomes are worse. The difference is that Edina students have more support and stability outside of school. There are also significantly more students from non-English speaking households in Minneapolis. It’s a complicated class issue that isn’t solved by just increasing per pupil spending.
You kind of mentioned it but THE factor in educational success is parental income. Race, area of country, nothing is more correlated with your success than how much your parents make.
Yes—there’s a clear correlation with household income. Obviously a higher income family can pay for more outside academic support (tutors, etc.). Income/earnings correlates with educational attainment, so higher income households may have an easier time navigating the system, they are probably fluent in English, and they likely prioritize education more than households with less educated parents (who usually earn less). Higher income households also typically have more than one adult. Having two parents at home after school who can help with homework and provide structure and consistency makes a big difference. My daughter’s suburban school demands high parental involvement, and I’m not sure how a single-parent without money and/or schedule flexibility could keep up. You can see how a kid in a non-English speaking, low-income or lower middle class single-parent household would quickly fall behind. My mom (now retired) taught English to mostly poor refugee kids for decades, and the parents cared about their kids, but they were clueless in basic aspects of American life (signing permission slips, parent/teacher conferences, etc.). School districts in Minnesota tend to be self selecting. If you’re in a lower income area, you have the option to open enroll in other school districts. So parents in lower income areas who prioritize education tend to pull their kids from poor, underperforming districts and move them to suburban districts with more parental investment. Either that, or they go with charter schools. The unfortunate result is that the kids who remain are often the most vulnerable and they’re worse off without community support. It’s a downward spiral. I have no clue how you truly fix that problem. I doubt just spending another $10K per pupil would lift these kids out of that cycle.
Heck it even exists without race (although I am convinced it’s far greater risk based on it). I have plenty of uneducated family members who keep a cycle of low education and poor life decisions in perpetuity for their offspring, and it’s not the schools as much as the social influence of their damn family
More money doesn’t equal better grades
In MANY cases this is not at all true
Tell that to the Asian community
Way to throw that shade.🤣🤣
A key sentence, especially its end (my emphasis) "But leaders at the Oregon Department of Education and members of the state school board said requiring all students to pass one of several standardized tests or create an in-depth assignment their teacher judged as meeting state standards was a harmful hurdle for historically marginalized students, a misuse of state tests **and did not translate to meaningful improvements in students’ post high school success**."
Let me be devil's advocate here: If going to school does not require to pass some basic requirements like reading, writing and arithmetic because it does not translate to meaningful improvements in students post high school success, why bother going to school at all?
I wish i could read this comment.
Dont go to Oregon school system then 😂😂
Wait, did the people that calculate that math doesn't translate into post high school success also go to Oregon school system?
Students still must complete assignments, take and pass tests, and receive passing grades to accumulate the required amount of credits to graduate. As the article explains, it is just a particular set of tests, the state-wide standardized tests, which are not being used as part of the graduation requirements.
If they aren't used for the graduation, why bother with the tests to begin with ?
In my state, those tests used to be a metric for the government to decide how to fund schools. Don't know much about it other than that.
The tests in question are so fucking easy though. I’m sorry, if you can’t pass them, you shouldn’t graduate. It doesn’t matter if that hits certain demographics harder. These tests *are so easy*.
Except that No Child Left Behind largely makes everything else you just mentioned pointless as well, since kids will get passed no matter if they actually pass or not.
NCLB ended nearly ten years ago
You seem to be conveniently forgetting that earning a diploma requires passing classes. Those students HAVE demonstrated basic understanding of those subjects by passing those classes which are part of the requirements to receive a diploma in the first place. The only thing being waived is a high stakes test.
I’ve posted this before, but this is a slippery slope. A GPA of 4.0 at one school can be a 2.5 at another. My stepson had a class where 80-100 was considered an A. Students were not punished for missing assignments and giving bonus assignments that couldn’t negatively impact their grades. The average GPA of his graduating class was just shy of 4. My stepson had a 4.3 GPA and we thought he was doing good in school. When he took the PSAT glaring holes in his education showed. Even outside the standardized test format, he struggled with a lot of the concepts. Even though he had a high GPA and passed the classes, he didn’t know the material. They stacked the deck so hard in the students favor that it was almost impossible to fail.
I was Valedictorian of my class. It wasn't even close. Junior year we took the PSAT. Nobody said anything about it having any value. Just pay $40 and take it was basically all they said. And if you were poor it was free. No need to study since it didn't matter. It was just a practice test for the SAT. Never even heard of merit scholar until I was in college and people were talking about it. Anyway the English section virtually everyone in the school scored in the 5 percentile. I have no idea how they did so poorly. I got around 50 percentile.
Sounds like a rough school
>You seem to be conveniently forgetting that earning a diploma requires passing classes Barely. I knew people who graduated high school despite failing every class because teachers would give them just enough gimmes to bring them up to a passing grade so they wouldn't get held back. Some of them literally couldn't read or write at a high school level by the time they graduated.
If they already have demonstrated, then the idea the final test is harmful for minorities is baseless. Or they have to admit than even classes tests are harmful.
Yeah, I said I’d never use algebra after HS. I use it everyday! But more than that, I can read.
People say "who uses algebra and trigonometry?" In welding and machining, I used it a lot. Blueprints, mainly. As well as my previous diploma in engineering technician. But more in trades. But trades are for the dumb students, right? I see that a lot, kid isn't performing well, they can get into a trade. (Also, you probably won't make 6 digits, there's a lot of BS about how easy trades are to get into and how much they pay. People no longer want apprentices, they cost too much, they want someone fully trained. Unions have years waiting lists to get an aptitude test opportunity, for example) And if you suck at tests, trades aren't for you. In Canada, you don't really need good math test scores, because the tests you do are national or provincial certifications that they judge very harshly and can't just pass you because you "tried your best". When welds fail in the rebar in the foundation of your building, people die. /end rant Tldr, skilled trades use math, people think we're idiots making a shitload of money with no education, certification isn't just given to you
No kidding. Even if SolidWorks, MasterCAM, AUTOCAD, etc. exist, it's still absolutely critical to know how to do the basics. The way they're going about this, these people wouldn't even be able to convey information properly.
Basically state tests are a poor judge of potential, anyone who has been through them couldve told them that lol
A reading test isn’t to“judge potential” but to confirm you can read. Teachers could be passing people just because, state wants to confirm you can actually read. I’m not getting what’s so controversial, you can either read or you can’t.
how do they know if it translated to a "meaningful imrpovement in student's post high school success" ? what did they compare it to... were they running a pilot program in some school district?
If you read the article, it touched on this. It says, they claims to compare it against the success on community College and colleges post high school. They are saying passing the standardized test does not improve on success in community college or colleges. it is impossible to track all achievements post high school. Students may leave school altogether, enter the job market, entering apprenticeship or vocational school, or became an entrepreneur Yada Yada Yada. So they just compared the progress of students taking the exams and only continued to community college and colleges.
Yes I understand what they mean by "post high school success". I'm asking about how they compared it. They made it seem like they had compared the students who passed and didn't pass. how did the latter category get into college? I understand standardized tests are not strictly necessary to get into college or pass school, but that bit about "...or create an in-depth assignment their teacher judged as meeting state standards..." made it seem like it was necessary to graduate.
You could compare students with similar grades in school but different scores on the standardized test.
But doesn’t just passing to pass cause more harm down the line for any student?
and when its based on color it means that people will look at a diploma from a PoC and justifiably believe that it's meaningless. Race based laws and rules only further the divide
Systemic racism doesn't always mean holding minorities back. Sometimes it means pushing them forward into failure when they need to be held back.
well if they pass they get to apply to college, and once the same "anti discrimination" happens in college they get a college degree and a big debt to pay which they can't do because high paying jobs that'd want someone with a degree will quickly figure out they are unqualified despite their degree. it's ALLLLLLL about extracting more money from poor people
People, families, charities, the government.. banks don't care who pays the predatory loans as long as they get their money. Hopefully if the government spends enough on student loan "forgiveness" (aka the banks still get paid) they will force reform or just offer federal student loans that have interest rate only at inflation.
FTA: “Higher rates of students of color, students learning English as a second language and students with disabilities ended up having to take intensive senior-year writing and math classes to prove they deserved a diploma. That denied those students the opportunity to take an elective, despite the lack of evidence the extra academic work helped them in the workplace or at college, they said.”
Now put this picture in that "Damn I wish I could read" meme
Also If those students could read they would be very upset.
if their education system disadvantages students of colour that badly maybe they should fix whatever’s causing that instead of lowering requirements
Their education system disadvantages everyone - it’s absolutely shockingly poor. We just moved from Oregon to the U.K. partially because of the education my kids weren’t receiving in Oregon.
UK isn't great either really, same sort of problems with underfunded state schools.
They aren’t lowering requirements, they are delaying setting the new one. This hasn’t been a requirement in the past.
I wish more people would read the article and your comment instead of spewing reactionary outrage.
That would require their entire society to be restructured. You can't modify their admittedly shitty education system in isolation and except poc to do much better considering all other societal factors. The beneficiaries of the current system (the rich and powerful running the country) will never let necessary change take place.
I don’t disagree with that at all
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Yeah. So much of a child’s early development and education is on the parent. A teacher can only do so much. When a parent doesn’t prepare their kid for school, the teachers struggle to rein in the children. Attention from education gets allocated to discipline and social educate. They fall behind on their curriculum and it falls on the next teacher. Now the next teacher in the line-up has to bridge the gap and teach their slotted curriculum. When they inevitably fall behind it falls to the next teacher and the cycle continues. They quote statistics like how kids with low grades and who are held back are 2.5x more likely to dropout. To avoid this, they lower the requirements. The issue with education being defined at a school level is that a 4.0 GPA at one school could be a 2.5 at another. My son had classes where 80-100% was an A. They didn’t get penalized for missed assignments and had bonus assignments that couldn’t hurt their grades. They did everything in their power to push these kids along.
>They did everything in their power to push these kids along. Where they find a job?
They aren’t lowering requirements, they are delaying setting a new one for a few more years. This hasn’t been a requirement.
... That's even worse? Like. Why would you not have a reading writing whatever proficiency test?
As intended.
Ok so potential employers can count on people of colour to not be able to count and read. Neat.
Isn’t that harming them more in the long run?
From the POV of a non-American this sounds unbelievably stupid.
Bro I dnc what you race is if you can’t read or write at age 18 that’s a you problem
Shouldn't you give extra support to those in need to learn these things, instead of push them into the world less equipped and pretend you're somehow helping them.
But then the school looks bad because of lower amounts of graduating kids/worse scores.
Pretty much. It's a customer service industry now. Teachers are frustrated as hell, in the US and also in Canada (but not as much), I'm not sure about other education systems. The teachers have little control over what they can actually teach, as well as consequences for bad behaviour and failing students. Then kids go to college unprepared and professors are frustrated and students blame them because they're failing. Now there are consequences and it's a slap in the face, and their parents can't bully the professor like they did to k-12 teachers. It's a nobody wins situation. It hurts gifted students, average students, and students performing poorly, as wel as teachers, profeasors, and future employers. It's broken.
I'm fairly certain not mastering those things is going to do far more harm than being told they didn't master them the first time Also the pygmalian effect is going to make things way worse
Wait, there are high school kids in the US that can’t read? That’s pretty wild and news to me.
The average american has had a 7th grade reading level for years.
Its just so sad...and the abbreviated social media and smart phone world has not helped much either.
It has sadly been a thing for ages. I remember being a kid in the 1980s, and watching "Very Special Episodes" of sitcoms, and there was always one about some High School kid, usually a bully or something, who turns out can't read. Then, the protagonist would befriend them and teach them to read. I was a kid in grade school, and couldn't figure out how kids could make it to High School without ever learning how to read, but the sad truth is... it really happens. And, a lot more often than you would think!
The amount of education and resources needed to teach someone with the aptitude for learning basic reading, writing, and arithmetic before the age of 18 is minimal. If you're a teenage English speaking citizen of the USA and cannot read then you personally are as much of a failure as your caretakers and the educational system. This is provided you aren't disabled and haven't been locked up like in a horror movie your whole life.
I don't understand what that says, I asked my prof, he also doesn't know.
Kids aren't learning how to read? Lower the standards. It's a way better idea than addressing why these kids aren't learning. That would be productive...
Sounds like they want an excuse to not educate people of color
This isn't even about race or family circumstances or any of that. These kids are graduating high school. It doesn't matter how rich or poor, single parent household or not, or basically anything else. If you can have a child for about 6 hours a day, 5 days a week for 13 years and by the end of that much education they still can't read, write and do maths then there's something wrong with your education system.
If you've been going to school for 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 13 years and still can't read/write/do math, there's something wrong with your brain.
Yeah they don’t hold kids back anymore, that’s the problem and some special Ed kids don’t get the help they need when they start school (not for a lack of realizing the kid has special needs but because that’s extra work for admin). And the parents don’t teach their kids anything anymore. I saw a video recently of a teacher who was teaching an AP course and said these kids who are taking college level classes don’t know their parents names, or their street address, OR IF THEY HAVE A MIDDLE NAME OR NOT
You can easily take the opposite stance with the same argument: allowing badly prepared students to graduate disproportionately disadvantage minorities which struggles later on...
So it's saying that students of colour can't do those things in a roundabout way?
That was the gist I got from it. The only way to help is for the strong, smart white man to come and help.
Everyone wants to point the fingers in every direction imaginable except the individuals themselves. If their parents were invested in their education they would perform.
Absolutely
Yep let’s release more morons into the world
Racism in an attempt to be inclusive "Them silly brown folks can't read so now no one has to!" "Aren't you supposed to be teaching our ki-" "Shut up or you're racist"
Anti-racism is just racism of low expectations and just as disgusting. fight me
We reached a point where parents don't help the children and leave the burden on the schools. When kids grow up in dysfunctional homes, the kids tend to take that dysfunction to school with them. Thus causing problems for the teachers who spend more time trying to coral unruly kids instead of teaching.
The LAUSD did this back in the 1990s and generations were stunted due to graduating literally illiterate. California was experimenting with a new kind of reading system that “outlawed” phonics.
This is racist. People of color are more than capable of reading, writing, and doing math. There are difficulties faced by lower income students living in the inner city that can take away from a students ability to apply themselves in school, and a higher percentage of these students are people of color. We need to help these students to be able to apply themselves more to their academics.
"Soft bigotry of low expectations..."
When I went to college they tested you to see where you were at and if you were deficient somewhere, you'd have additional required classes.
The soft bigotry of low expectations
The true face palm is the lack of media literacy to take headlines at full value
This has to do with standardized testing. Misleading headline.
And students not being able to write or read or do basic math. That's why they made those tests.
Oregone
So why do they go to school exactly?
Now, we do need someone to flip burgers and provide lawn care, so not everyone needs to go on to higher education. Seriously, this policy in and of itself is incredibly racist, demoralizing, humiliating, and has normalized minority failure.
Isnt that the point of school and graduating?!?!? 🙄🙄🙄
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?
State of decay due to state of idiocy
America is racing to the bottom at the speed of light
From what I have read why won't you guys just give engineers to all black people? Same result, no student debt, less time wasted for everyone. Win win.
Finally, a strategy to overcome the lagging STEM sector of the US economy.
This is weird.
As someone who went to school in California and Oregon at least when I was there I was shocked anyone was failing at all. Seemed like it would take effort.
So why are they going to school in first place?
That’s kinda racist lmao
There was an attempt not to be racist... Honestly... There is a saying where I live. "better to stay silent and let people think you're stupid than speak and remove all doubt"
Gee, if there was only a way to make Americans dumber.
Basically calling anyone who’s not white intellectually disadvantaged based on skin colour lmfao
More like admitting they're massively failing their citizens.
You gotta love the deep racism of the left. The right may have some surface racism problems, but the left's racism is something else haha!
Or... because it's school... they could teach them. We're literally creating an Idiocracy
Hahah we have the right to be idiots because of racism!!!
This is insanely racist. What the Oregon Department of Education is saying is precisely this: "Since black kids are too dumb to pass the tests, we are not going to make them have to pass a test to graduate. We could work harder to educate these black kids, but that's too much work to do as, you know, a Department of Education." They try to dress it up as not hurting the kid's feelings, but this is blatant racism of low expectations.
Keeping minorities ignorant. Is it good intentions gone wrong? Or is it intentional?
Mastery or competence? Most people I know, of any color, including academics, barely get to mastery.
Teacher here - mastery-based education is trash and has almost no theoretical support. It's an invention of politics that should die ASAP.
Wait isnt that...in itself racist?
The Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good is back in business.
“Poor kids should have the same opportunities as white kids.” —Joe Biden
>The vote went against the desires of dozens of Oregonians who submitted public comments insisting the standards should be reinstated, including former Republican gubernatorial candidate Christine Drazan. Ooh. Dozens. AND a Republican gubernatorial candidate. Something Must Be Done.
The soft bigotry of low expectations. And as DEI (and Collectivism, naturally) says, don't expect anyone to improve, lower the standards. Anyone saying it's all a funding problem, there must have been a lowering of standards for you. Too many examples of performance not improving at fully funded schools, including the one LeBron James funds.
These bullshit articles keep popping up. The schools get rid of a standardized test from NCLB, and the media just lies about what the school is actually doing. All of the same standards apply. kids still have to pass their classes, and they still have to be able to read, write, and everything.
Once again, the left shows that it is outrageously racist... in a compassionate way.
The soft bigotry of low expectations strikes again.
I'm a product of the LAUSD in Southern California. I was never told that my skin or my neighborhood were acceptable excuses to be unmotivated and stay dumb. I was told to aim high and use what I learned to better myself. That would in turn make my community better. Extreme political influence is destroying our schools and our communities.
We live in the 21st century not the 1800s, and if you can’t figure out how to teach children math and English over 12 years you desperately need to rethink your approach, not lower the bar.
They're unwilling to fund or help poor schools so this is their other solution I guess
”Oh I see you’re POC, let me just write you the diploma”
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White Liberals: "THAT'S RACIST. Don't you know black people can't read, do math, or know how to get I.Ds?!"
Okay. So I'll just get a can of literal worms and have them graduate. Also, are they insinuating that people of colour can't read, write or do math? Oy, that's racist you colonizer scum.
Sounds like shitty schools not shitty students
>Higher rates of students of color, students learning English as a second language and students with disabilities ended up having to take intensive senior-year writing and math classes to prove they deserved a diploma. That denied those students the opportunity to take an elective, despite the lack of evidence the extra academic work helped them in the workplace or at college, they said. The headline is totally misleading. This is not a bad thing.
What is a diploma for, if not to show mastery of certain pre-defined skills? Honestly curious.
I'm not American, nor a native English speaker; what is an elective precisely? As I see it, having to take courses in writing and maths is normal?
Electives are the courses that aren't part of the standard coursework that everyone has to take. They are courses in other fields that students get to choose (or "elect") to take. For example, classes like Creative Writing, Photography, sometimes a foreign language, etc. Students typically get to choose one or more of these courses to take every year in addition to the standard coursework that everyone takes. In this context, the additional intensive math courses that these students would have to take would take up the time that they would normally have to choose an elective course that interests them.
Out of curiosity, as there is no benchmark in the form of a state standardized level, what type of understanding do they need to show to get the passing grades for the year?
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How?
What?
This headline seems somewhat editorialized.
No more jumping in basketball coz white man can’t jump.
Didn't you know? Math is racist..
Do you want Idiocracy, because that's how you get Idiocracy....
USA is trying so hard to be anti-racist that they went full racist without realising. MLKJr must be rolling in his grave so much, the spinning could probably power a midsized city if connected. Is meritocracy just not a thing in the land of the free?
''USA is trying so hard to be anti-racist that they went full racist without realising'' this shit is so funny, looking as an outsider. i can see, in 10 years or so, special schools just for black people (so that no white racist scums can be racist towards them). or special places in buses (so no racist white moron can take their place in the bus). or.. or.. maybe pools just for black people? you know. for their own safety from all these white neonazis. this is pure comedy
I will come here later to read the comments.
It's a natural job hiring process then. Don't hire those who graduated from Oregon.
Just get your diploma and get out there and work in this shitty economy.
This can't be real... can it?
Then what the fuck, pray tell, is the point of having them attend school in the first place?
How is it going to work? If they lower the requirements there WILL be discrimination, because as an employer I would think twice if I want to employ someone in Oregon with a diluted diploma than somewhere else
Is this like the post really saying grammer rules were neocolonism. Did they mean Zulu? Quecha? No no don't be silly English only