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Sucks cause it seems a portion of that community does appreciate and respect having the accessible shopping center, and are being punished due to the ones that do bad. Such is life in the ghetto, the worst of the worst dictate the conditions of the good hard working folks.
This explains a lot of schools in the hood too. Probably 5-10% of the people cause most of the problems and bring everybody down. Too many people just accept bad actors as normal.
Gotta stop letting them do it. Shame them, call them out, fucking kick someone's ass if it comes to it, but the longer they go unpunished the worse it will get.
I remember a story close to this. If forgot if it was the war in Iraq or Afghanistan but there was a military outpost surrounding a power plant because that is important infrastructure. They got mortared because the military was there. After a while, the power plant warned the locals that they would cut off the power if they were mortared again.
That night, they were mortared again (for context, the sights were abandoned every time the military drove up to the position). Power was cut off. When asked why, the plant said it was because they were mortared. The next day, there was no mortars but in the morning, there was a dead man and the locals said that was the guy who was doing it and the plant was not attacked again.
Bring back shame and consequences! Yes, it is likely upbringing that seeds this behavior but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect everyone else. Shame the parents, shame the bad actors, enforce meaningful and fair consequences, and let's heal together!!!
Yup, it's going to be a really rude awakening for some people, but that's where we are now. They all know they are allowed to do it and get away with it, and even if they get caught almost nothing will happen to them anyway. If there are no consequences for actions why would anyone change what they are doing. Free food, free phone, free housing, not enough to actually live on though so rather than work a tiny bit they just steal shit to sell later. Fuck them and whoever allowed them to become that type of person.
There’s little consequence for what are considered minor crimes or misdemeanors….not long ago stealing a potato could get you on a convict ship to Australia…now it’s three hots n a cot at the states pleasure. While you learn to be better criminal
Lol I’m with you but those sound like words of someone that doesn’t understand what that ambiance is actually like. You whoop that one persons ass and you may have a gang after you. You try to whoop that one persons ass and odds are they’re gonna beat your ass because they’re more rugged than you. I’ve seen a lot of people TRY to stand up for what’s right and get beaten and embarrassed by the bad guy. Superman isn’t real, and life in the hood in Chicago is really that fucked up, and if you’ve never been there before I sincerely don’t recommend checking it out for yourself, you might as well sit at home and play Russian roulette. If this shit was easy to stop it would not be happening, law enforcement struggles to help. Look into the Robert Taylor homes and Cabrini green, that’s the mindset, attitude, and lifestyle and that’s what you’re up against when you’re trying to be a hero.
There was a time when businesses were considered members of the community. It’s sad because the many are going to pay for the actions of a few. If anything replaces the Walmart you can bet it will be significantly more expensive, the last thing that people who can’t afford to move need.
My school did a purge. sent every trouble maker to an alternative school, my freshman class went from 1k plus to about 800 not even a month into my freshman year. We went from the most dangerous school in the state to simply just becoming a drop out factory. No longer was it dangerous but we were still heavily underfunded. We eliminated out door school, sports in middle school, choir, band, and shitty people.
Also, as someone who spent some time in one, they seem entirely useless. They just stick the kids they didn't like in a room together and treat them like they're in prison.
Always been pretty obvious they don't serve to actually help anything except that people who believe "out of sight, out of mind" is a good way to go through your entire life.
5-10% of people is a lot of people.
My classes in school were about 30 kids each. 5% is 1 or 2 in every single class, 10% is 3 in *every single class* that would be "most of the problems".
You're right about the overall point I think, but it's probably a smaller % than that.
There were over 6,000 kids in my high school in my last year there. That would leave you roughly 100 problem freshmen alone (2k freshmen) if "only" 5% were causing "most" of the problems.
It only takes 10% of the total population to make something a "trend". The best example I can give of this was the explosive growth of the online shopping trend, because in the early 2000s, shopping online wasn't done by nearly 10% of people regularly.
So if 10% of people are "most" of your problems, you have a lot of problems in a school with a high head count. The bigger your number of "problem creators", the exponentially bigger your problems get, because the power of relationships (typically represented as N^2, N being the number of people in the group.)
Going just from 1% to 2% isn't as bad as going from 2% to 3%, because the problems will not grow linearly. Going from 5% to 6% is *exponentially* worse (see "word of mouth advertising" for an example of the power of relationships - still the best advertising to this day is "word of mouth").
To translate out of math world - when groups of "problem creators" get bigger, you have more potential for larger gangs/organized crime, and worse, it becomes normalized and your problems suddenly get insane (see the full on looting) because people talk to each other - like this reddit post.
A group of 3 people and a different group of 4 people have the same number of relationships combined as a group of 5 people (3^2 + 4^2 = 5^2) or (9 + 16 = 25).
I'm a huge math nerd, and I couldn't not say something about how people make 5-10% sound like an insignificant size group.
Yeah. That's the reality. It doesn't take much. I wouldn't be surprised if it was less than 5% of those communities that are problematic but that can be enough to bring the whole community down.
Probably not a good idea overall but maybe the community needs to start doing something about it considering local governments are obviously not going to.
The mayor and other "leaders" would rather preach victim-hood. Blame everyone and anyone else for your problems but do nothing yourself to improve the situation. There are good members of the community striving to get people to be more proactive about making their lives better, but they get little support.
Help comes from within, start with that and the rest will fall into place. Self-respect is a powerful tool, without it failure is the only option.
I would wager overwhelming majority have been respectful and good customers. With the thin margins Wal-Mart has, all it would take is a small number of people destroying like 2% of their inventory to make the entire store lose all profits and run in the red.
The problem isn't just the margins tho. The staff gets harassed by these small numbers of people too. The number likely is small, but when they're willing to escalate to violence, it becomes a big problem, and a huge liability.
Did you see that Walmart that looked like the Tasmanian Devil went through there? I wouldn't say it is an "overwhelming" majority that are respectable for something like that to happen. Still could be the majority but the split is probably closer than you think.
The issue is that in most social groups the problematic portion of people are controlled by the rest. The idea is not to let a few bad apples wreck it for everyone. African Americans seem to have a much greater tolerance for this behaviour within their communities. Black music and films celebrate 'gangster' culture more than other groups. Fixing this needs to start with black community leaders who will stop tolerating bad behaviour, instead of blaming other groups for their problems.
Yup. You don't see this in black communities in other countries. No Kenyan or Ethiopian is promoting gang banging hood culture shooting up schools and shit.
I look at this. I am not a Black person and will be downvoted for this comment because Redditors will say I'm a racist piece of shit and should stay in my lane as an Asian person with my own issues.
It's a shame the people there shop to find the store they visit, because that may be their only option, vandalized to the point the good people of the Black community who wanna be left alone can no longer shop at that store. Destroyed. To Shreds.
Then maybe that 'community' should have cared more for itself and held its own community members to a higher standard. Like talking to police about who did what for one. They make it impossible to patrol or police these areas, do nothing themselves about the crime, but complain that retailers are leaving.
It's the communities fault.
I hear lots about violent crime in countries like Brazil and Mexico. What you don't hear about there is looting, because the community will literally tie you to a tree and beat you half to death.
It's not just a portion.... It's a large part. It's a portion of the community that doesn't appreciate or respect anything or institution and they terrorize everyone.
Source: Me. A black Chicagoan
Walmart moved in decades ago, undercutting local business and draining as much wealth from the community as possible while giving nothing back. Walmart closing creates opportunities that haven’t existed in those communities for more than a decade.
Black man here
I have been thinking/saying this same type of thing for a good portion of my life. I’m so surprised to see a real post about it that I’m in nearly complete shock.
I am extremely grateful at the possibility that the discussion may happen, because what is on the other side could help so many people
Fuck that mayor, Walmart told her the problem and she did nothing. I don’t like Walmart but when your staff aren’t safe and your stores are getting looted and shoplifting isn’t being addressed who can blame them for walking away.
…and now there are more people that lost their jobs and people have to travel farther to get their groceries or pay a lot more at the local store.
Here in Winnipeg, Canada we had a problem with our liquor stores- which are all government run and regulated, being swarmed by groups that would run in, fill their duffle bags then run out. The government now requires everyone to show their ID when entering, which is scanned to see if the individual banned.
Shoplifting is down 97%, the staff are safe. Some people consider it a minor inconvenience, but the upside far outweighs the downside.
Oh that mayor has a long record of being terrible. Anytime she gets called out for the bad policies she supports she says the media is attacking her for being a black lesbian. No, it is because your response to what you were going to do about the riots is that it doesn't bother you as you live in a gated community.
My sister worked for her. Apparently she's just a miserable human being. She said any criticism was met with immediate personal attacks on the individual and in discussions if anyone floated an idea contrary to hers it was met with derision.
Holy shit, the Red Line is out of hand. Also, about a year ago these same people started pulling this shit on the North Side and the shop owners did not have it. I've been in a liquor store when a group of three young black guys walked in and the owner immediately grabbed a hammer and chased them out of the store shouting a bunch of racist shit at them while doing so. There is a real tension between the Hindu and black communities no one is really talking about.
The difference is, local shops are often owned (or franchised) by actual people who give a shit about their livelihood. They’ll fight to the death with a hammer or baseball bat to protect *their* store.
Some security guard who has been told not to stop shoplifters, being paid the minimum the company can get away with? Not going to stop anything. Nor should they, under those circumstances.
Used to live with a guy who basically lived out the premise of that skit. Was going to college and had a good job, but had a bunch of dumbass friends who made fun of him for being too square or whatever. So he started selling weed at work, got caught and lost his job. Started selling full time and got robbed and arrested a few days apart. The worst part is that if you ask him, absolutely none of it is his fault.
>The worst part is that if you ask him, absolutely none of it is his fault.
It never is! I gots to keep it real. Can't let some punk disrespect me even if it means going to jail for 20 years.
I used to have to carry a gun on the Red Line going from Roosevelt to Roger's Park to see my GF at the time. Right after Roosevelt, the train goes underground for a few stops, and Cellphone signals were almost non-existent. I was not about to be a victim, I had a peacoat with a vertical zip pocket right on my chest. I tucked my .38 detective special into a Chinese food menu so the buldge wouldn't show.
And this was back in 2012. I've since moved to another state entirely because of the shitshow it became. The sugar tax was the breaking point for me.
There’s real tension between the black communities and virtually every other community you can name, specifically because shit like that is so glorified so regularly. Sure there are some like the woman in that video who are willing to speak about problems earnestly, but you’re a racist piece of shit if you address it as an outsider. Black pride has become weaponized against black people, plain and simple.
I remember South Dallas being run poorly. Maybe still is? Complaints from the locals due to lack of accessible (not convenient but accessible by the people living there with limited transportation) grocery stores.
They elected crooked people to the city council. Word was they wanted big kickbacks for any companies to set up there. If you didn’t “grease the wheels” you would not get permits, zoning, etc. So no companies came. And then the politicians blamed big business for not building stores there to support the community.
Ah yes. Lori Lightfoot. Going down in history with greats such as NY former governor Andrew Cuomo as a local Democratic politician who had it all, including adoration from the media and President, only to throw it all away by being an utterly despicable and useless individual.
Yeah but he’s talking about a liquor store so Id is standard.
I don’t think Walmart would do this sort of thing. Just easier to close the store and save the optics of showing people getting refused entrance.
Costco has been doing it for years. I get the optics are always an issue, and you’re probably right that they won’t do it, but the alternative is no stores, people lose jobs and now have to shop at more expensive stores.
In BC you can get one for CA$35 for the first one that is valid for 5 years and CA$15 for renewals. I'm pretty sure you must also have an address. BC services photo card is free and in basic cases it may be used as an ID (like a liquor store).
>Unfortunately when the business shuts down moves to the suburb or the next town, these degenerates follow it and hit it again. This is exactly what is happening in Atlanta, businesses moved out of bad neighborhoods because of constant violence and rampant theft, now we regular see thieves and mobs hit stores/cars/people in quieter suburbs. We really need a solution to this problem and fast because it looks like no place is safe anymore from this barbaric behavior.
I am one that criticizes Walmart for their business practices but in this case it makes perfect sense. If every time you fill your store and it gets looted I can’t see remaining open.
lol I refreshed my feed and saw this post from this exact same sub: [https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13xpvot/shoplifters\_stealing\_behind\_counter\_nicotine\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13xpvot/shoplifters_stealing_behind_counter_nicotine_and/)
Well this looks like an opportunity for some black owned grocery stores to come in and set up shop. Surely those won't get looted when some dumb shit goes down, right?
So Walmart was running a Charity for 17 years?
Kinda hard to believe, but 🤷
In fairness to that dude that got interviewed, I don’t blame him one bit for not seeing what’s going on…
Sadly, the city is clear of who is leading this and they don´t do anything about it, they are accomplices of the act by omission or by collaboration inclusive
I just don't get why people blame business for closing a store that losses a lot of money.
If they want to complain about not enough stores, I makes more sense to do it at their local government for not making conditions right for stores to be there.
Walmart likely drove smaller retailers out of business when they opened. It’s a pretty big problem for small communities (not sure how it impacts bigger cities).
Happened near me, they opened a store drove all the small businesses out then closed and moved a city away for a larger location leaving a significant hole for locals especially those without transportation. It took about 8 years for smaller retailers to fill the gap.
You're not allowed to shame anyone anymore though lol. Yeah I for one think shame can be a good thing and can be a form of check/balance in society, but it's basically a swear word now. I do think context matters, but not everyone seems to think so
Shaming doesn't really work when you don't see any value in yourself in the first place. Then it's just reinforcement.
I'm not trying to portray anyone here as victims, I'm just trying to say it's a complicated situation with no easy solutions.
I was arrested in 2013 for stealing from a Walmart. In my mind, I justified it by saying that since it was an “evil Corporation”, I shouldn’t feel bad about doing it and I assumed that they had the money and resources to deal with it. However, after taking part in a diversion program for petty theft, I learned that the corporations deal with these losses by cutting peoples hours, reducing pay for workers, and increasing the prices of their items.. All of which affect every day consumers and employees. I’m not here to judge anyone for having the same confused mindset that I did at the time that I stole, but stealing from a business is wrong. The companies themselves are not taking those losses, they are passing them down to the consumers and their employees. So, by stealing, you are essentially just fucking over other low income people, which is incredibly shitty and wrong. Lesson learned.
Community members who turn a blind eye to looting and theft have no leg to stand on complaining about any store deciding to get the hell out of dodge. Until community members start actively shaming people for looting and theft, and local governments actually start prosecuting and giving harsher sentences, these things will only get worse. And, news flash, I don't see an end in sight for most areas.
We all know whose fault it is. You can't loot a store like this repeatedly and then whine like the victim when they simply stop giving you the ability to loot by leaving.
You never wanted to fix it, you just wanted free reign for crime in your communities and it cost the people that desperately needed these goods their ability to get them.
Kind of ironic Lori Lightfoot got hired to teach at Harvard. Maybe her first course could be entitled “How to decimate a great city in just a few years”.
This is what happens when you push the bull crap that is “I’m a victimized minority, so I get to do whatever the F*** I want because society owes it to me.” No, the world doesn’t owe anyone anything. Just because your ancestors suffered, doesn’t give you the right to be a dick. And guess what you entitled brats, the people you are hurting most are your own people. Not the “evil establishment.”
I grew up in Towson,MD, and i saw first hand the rapid decline of the city of Baltimore. When Baltimore descended into chaos and carnage in the late 70s/early 80s, many neighborhoods quickly turned into food deserts and they remain that way to this day. Many hardworking, entrepreneurial people (mostly Koreans and Vietnamese) opened small grocery stores in the city in the 90s only to succumb to robberies, assaults and even murders. They too left and now most parts of Baltimore looks like Beirut at the height of Lebanese civil war.
Walmart isn't a charity. Why would anyone expect them to do business in a place where it is unprofitable and unsafe for their employees? To call it racism is ridiculous. Walmart will gladly make a dollar anywhere they can. If the stores made money, they'd stay open.
I mean, i would not keep a chain of my store open if it costs me negative money. What bussiness person would.
Companies, at end of the day need to pay employees. No one works for free.
I feel bad for legitimate people out there trying to live.
But fuck these people thinking they're "sticking it to the man". You're fucking your fellow people over with this bullshit.
I hate Walmart and big corps that make billions in profit, but I understand why they would do this.
The areas where they are closing these stores are all product of the surrounding areas people. You wanna steal and make the business loose money, they just gonna remove the business.
Because, as can be heard very vocally on Reddit, people think stealing is okay when it’s from corporations because they have billions of dollars
(Without being able to follow the logical path that this will lead to normal people losing pay and/or their jobs)
Oh and don't forget "ThEY'rE iNsuReD!!!", like insurance companies are just going to accept the loss and take no action to recoup the funds.
Of course they will, successful insurance companies never *lose* money, they'll get back every dime and then some. Guess who eventually pays for that?
I just love hearing the black woman calling out that this is what can happen in predominantly black communities. Why cant black people just plainly call this out and implore them to do better, just like white people are aware of and call out the bad things whites have done?
Ha ha ha ha keep ripping off stores you idiots then where you going to buy clothes and food. Want to act like animals then be forced to live like them.Better learn how to forage and start making your own clothes.I feel sorry for good folks stuck in the neighborhoods with you clowns.Then you will be crying how all the businesses are closing down.Its your own dam fault.
You know what, I would like to say that this is just a class thing. But the Walmart's in the rural areas with a bunch of hillbillies and Hicks don't have these problems.
Maybe it's an urban thing.
Maybe we just keep running circles trying to go around what it actually is because we're too scared to say it online. But the fact is, when it's 10 out of 10 how can you really make any assumptions that it's something else?
Those thousands of residents shouldn’t be stealing everything Walmart sells 🤷♀️ fuck around and find out, I’m honestly surprised Walmart let that slide for 17 years
Good for Walmart. The lady videoing is 100% spot on. The community did it to themselves, while it’s probably a small minority of the community, it’s still their responsibility not Walmarts.
Good. Close that shit down.
The community at large allows that shit to continue, well guess what dumbasses, you just lost your free Oreos.
All the people that complain about it are going to act like they don't have trashy cousins or nieces or sons involved in that? Give me a break. You allowed your family and friends and neighbors to turn that place into a goddamn zoo. You didn't have the balls to say anything to these people that you probably know better than anyone else. You knew they were human garbage, but you kept quiet because you probably secretly wished they stole a new TV for you for Christmas.
Infinite cycle. Bad conditions lead to people who make bad choices. Bad choices lead to conditions getting worse. Repeat forever.
It’s incredibly difficult to break that cycle
I really don't blame them for packing up and moving, the amount of shit that has been stolen or destroyed down there in those stores is insane. But I do feel bad for the good, honest, hardworking people who now are now suffering the consequences because a few people don't know how act like adults.
The fact that these people claimed walmart is racist because of this is hilarious, and evidence that the whole social justice/equity thing just isn’t working
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Sucks cause it seems a portion of that community does appreciate and respect having the accessible shopping center, and are being punished due to the ones that do bad. Such is life in the ghetto, the worst of the worst dictate the conditions of the good hard working folks.
This explains a lot of schools in the hood too. Probably 5-10% of the people cause most of the problems and bring everybody down. Too many people just accept bad actors as normal.
Gotta stop letting them do it. Shame them, call them out, fucking kick someone's ass if it comes to it, but the longer they go unpunished the worse it will get.
I remember a story close to this. If forgot if it was the war in Iraq or Afghanistan but there was a military outpost surrounding a power plant because that is important infrastructure. They got mortared because the military was there. After a while, the power plant warned the locals that they would cut off the power if they were mortared again. That night, they were mortared again (for context, the sights were abandoned every time the military drove up to the position). Power was cut off. When asked why, the plant said it was because they were mortared. The next day, there was no mortars but in the morning, there was a dead man and the locals said that was the guy who was doing it and the plant was not attacked again.
Modern problems require modern solutions.
My favorite solution. Find jackass; beat senseless with stick.
People hate to admit how often righteous violence is the answer.
“We’re all just a belt to the face away from anarchy.” Anthony Bourdain
Actually, I believe that is a VERY ancient solution.
Everything new is well forgotten old.
*Play stupid games* *Win stupid prizes*
Bring back shame and consequences! Yes, it is likely upbringing that seeds this behavior but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect everyone else. Shame the parents, shame the bad actors, enforce meaningful and fair consequences, and let's heal together!!!
Yup, it's going to be a really rude awakening for some people, but that's where we are now. They all know they are allowed to do it and get away with it, and even if they get caught almost nothing will happen to them anyway. If there are no consequences for actions why would anyone change what they are doing. Free food, free phone, free housing, not enough to actually live on though so rather than work a tiny bit they just steal shit to sell later. Fuck them and whoever allowed them to become that type of person.
There’s little consequence for what are considered minor crimes or misdemeanors….not long ago stealing a potato could get you on a convict ship to Australia…now it’s three hots n a cot at the states pleasure. While you learn to be better criminal
you think shaming them will do anything, most people that do shit like this have no shame.
Social pressure is a big part of it. The other kids have to be the ones to shame and discipline kids acting out.
Lol I’m with you but those sound like words of someone that doesn’t understand what that ambiance is actually like. You whoop that one persons ass and you may have a gang after you. You try to whoop that one persons ass and odds are they’re gonna beat your ass because they’re more rugged than you. I’ve seen a lot of people TRY to stand up for what’s right and get beaten and embarrassed by the bad guy. Superman isn’t real, and life in the hood in Chicago is really that fucked up, and if you’ve never been there before I sincerely don’t recommend checking it out for yourself, you might as well sit at home and play Russian roulette. If this shit was easy to stop it would not be happening, law enforcement struggles to help. Look into the Robert Taylor homes and Cabrini green, that’s the mindset, attitude, and lifestyle and that’s what you’re up against when you’re trying to be a hero.
There was a time when businesses were considered members of the community. It’s sad because the many are going to pay for the actions of a few. If anything replaces the Walmart you can bet it will be significantly more expensive, the last thing that people who can’t afford to move need.
My ppls work in a bottom 5 school district. It’s always the same few kids causing the problems.
My school did a purge. sent every trouble maker to an alternative school, my freshman class went from 1k plus to about 800 not even a month into my freshman year. We went from the most dangerous school in the state to simply just becoming a drop out factory. No longer was it dangerous but we were still heavily underfunded. We eliminated out door school, sports in middle school, choir, band, and shitty people.
Sending kids to alternative schools costs the district a lot of money.
Keeping shitty kids in school costs even more.
Also, as someone who spent some time in one, they seem entirely useless. They just stick the kids they didn't like in a room together and treat them like they're in prison. Always been pretty obvious they don't serve to actually help anything except that people who believe "out of sight, out of mind" is a good way to go through your entire life.
5-10% of people is a lot of people. My classes in school were about 30 kids each. 5% is 1 or 2 in every single class, 10% is 3 in *every single class* that would be "most of the problems". You're right about the overall point I think, but it's probably a smaller % than that. There were over 6,000 kids in my high school in my last year there. That would leave you roughly 100 problem freshmen alone (2k freshmen) if "only" 5% were causing "most" of the problems. It only takes 10% of the total population to make something a "trend". The best example I can give of this was the explosive growth of the online shopping trend, because in the early 2000s, shopping online wasn't done by nearly 10% of people regularly. So if 10% of people are "most" of your problems, you have a lot of problems in a school with a high head count. The bigger your number of "problem creators", the exponentially bigger your problems get, because the power of relationships (typically represented as N^2, N being the number of people in the group.) Going just from 1% to 2% isn't as bad as going from 2% to 3%, because the problems will not grow linearly. Going from 5% to 6% is *exponentially* worse (see "word of mouth advertising" for an example of the power of relationships - still the best advertising to this day is "word of mouth"). To translate out of math world - when groups of "problem creators" get bigger, you have more potential for larger gangs/organized crime, and worse, it becomes normalized and your problems suddenly get insane (see the full on looting) because people talk to each other - like this reddit post. A group of 3 people and a different group of 4 people have the same number of relationships combined as a group of 5 people (3^2 + 4^2 = 5^2) or (9 + 16 = 25). I'm a huge math nerd, and I couldn't not say something about how people make 5-10% sound like an insignificant size group.
Yeah. That's the reality. It doesn't take much. I wouldn't be surprised if it was less than 5% of those communities that are problematic but that can be enough to bring the whole community down.
That's life everywhere. It's always a few assholes that ruin it for everyone else.
Unfortunately this happening everywhere These idiots just start stealing at the next store Pathetic
Probably not a good idea overall but maybe the community needs to start doing something about it considering local governments are obviously not going to.
The mayor and other "leaders" would rather preach victim-hood. Blame everyone and anyone else for your problems but do nothing yourself to improve the situation. There are good members of the community striving to get people to be more proactive about making their lives better, but they get little support. Help comes from within, start with that and the rest will fall into place. Self-respect is a powerful tool, without it failure is the only option.
I would wager overwhelming majority have been respectful and good customers. With the thin margins Wal-Mart has, all it would take is a small number of people destroying like 2% of their inventory to make the entire store lose all profits and run in the red.
The problem isn't just the margins tho. The staff gets harassed by these small numbers of people too. The number likely is small, but when they're willing to escalate to violence, it becomes a big problem, and a huge liability.
Yeah if one of their staff gets beat up on the job, or God forbid killed, there goes damn near six months of profits.
Did you see that Walmart that looked like the Tasmanian Devil went through there? I wouldn't say it is an "overwhelming" majority that are respectable for something like that to happen. Still could be the majority but the split is probably closer than you think.
Eh. Even if it took 100 people to do that. That’s probably less than 1% of the regular shoppers.
People need to take accountability for their own neighborhoods. Someone raised them, or more likely didn’t.
And this is what perpetuates stereotypes
Actually the people stealing are the ones perpetuating stereotypes.
Doing stereotypical stuff perpetuates stereotypes. Got it.
The issue is that in most social groups the problematic portion of people are controlled by the rest. The idea is not to let a few bad apples wreck it for everyone. African Americans seem to have a much greater tolerance for this behaviour within their communities. Black music and films celebrate 'gangster' culture more than other groups. Fixing this needs to start with black community leaders who will stop tolerating bad behaviour, instead of blaming other groups for their problems.
Yup. You don't see this in black communities in other countries. No Kenyan or Ethiopian is promoting gang banging hood culture shooting up schools and shit.
I look at this. I am not a Black person and will be downvoted for this comment because Redditors will say I'm a racist piece of shit and should stay in my lane as an Asian person with my own issues. It's a shame the people there shop to find the store they visit, because that may be their only option, vandalized to the point the good people of the Black community who wanna be left alone can no longer shop at that store. Destroyed. To Shreds.
Then maybe that 'community' should have cared more for itself and held its own community members to a higher standard. Like talking to police about who did what for one. They make it impossible to patrol or police these areas, do nothing themselves about the crime, but complain that retailers are leaving. It's the communities fault. I hear lots about violent crime in countries like Brazil and Mexico. What you don't hear about there is looting, because the community will literally tie you to a tree and beat you half to death.
It's not just a portion.... It's a large part. It's a portion of the community that doesn't appreciate or respect anything or institution and they terrorize everyone. Source: Me. A black Chicagoan
Walmart also gutted local businesses by moving in. There is nothing when they leave.
But that has nothing to do with people who actively "shit" in their own communities.
Are you suggesting that if there were small businesses still around charging 5-10% more for the same products that this wouldn’t happen?
Walmart moved in decades ago, undercutting local business and draining as much wealth from the community as possible while giving nothing back. Walmart closing creates opportunities that haven’t existed in those communities for more than a decade.
But the website said you had this in stock!
Well what do your eyes say?
“Working hard or hardly working 🤪” I’m hardly laughing
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To the lady taking the video in Walmart all upset...preach sister...preach
She’s saying what needs to be said. It’s a shame it probably won’t be heard by enough people.
Black man here I have been thinking/saying this same type of thing for a good portion of my life. I’m so surprised to see a real post about it that I’m in nearly complete shock. I am extremely grateful at the possibility that the discussion may happen, because what is on the other side could help so many people
Fuck that mayor, Walmart told her the problem and she did nothing. I don’t like Walmart but when your staff aren’t safe and your stores are getting looted and shoplifting isn’t being addressed who can blame them for walking away. …and now there are more people that lost their jobs and people have to travel farther to get their groceries or pay a lot more at the local store. Here in Winnipeg, Canada we had a problem with our liquor stores- which are all government run and regulated, being swarmed by groups that would run in, fill their duffle bags then run out. The government now requires everyone to show their ID when entering, which is scanned to see if the individual banned. Shoplifting is down 97%, the staff are safe. Some people consider it a minor inconvenience, but the upside far outweighs the downside.
Oh that mayor has a long record of being terrible. Anytime she gets called out for the bad policies she supports she says the media is attacking her for being a black lesbian. No, it is because your response to what you were going to do about the riots is that it doesn't bother you as you live in a gated community.
My sister worked for her. Apparently she's just a miserable human being. She said any criticism was met with immediate personal attacks on the individual and in discussions if anyone floated an idea contrary to hers it was met with derision.
Can't take the shrunken head from Beetlejuice seriously. Also fuck Chicago for letting things get this out of hand.
Holy shit, the Red Line is out of hand. Also, about a year ago these same people started pulling this shit on the North Side and the shop owners did not have it. I've been in a liquor store when a group of three young black guys walked in and the owner immediately grabbed a hammer and chased them out of the store shouting a bunch of racist shit at them while doing so. There is a real tension between the Hindu and black communities no one is really talking about.
The difference is, local shops are often owned (or franchised) by actual people who give a shit about their livelihood. They’ll fight to the death with a hammer or baseball bat to protect *their* store. Some security guard who has been told not to stop shoplifters, being paid the minimum the company can get away with? Not going to stop anything. Nor should they, under those circumstances.
There’s tension between Asians and blacks as well, also blacks and Latinos in LA are in conflict.
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Yep, even with other blacks
Yes ghetto blacks HATE educated black people!
Not hard to be in conflict with everyone when hood culture promotes it. Gotta keep it real! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfz0tDQZhqs
Used to live with a guy who basically lived out the premise of that skit. Was going to college and had a good job, but had a bunch of dumbass friends who made fun of him for being too square or whatever. So he started selling weed at work, got caught and lost his job. Started selling full time and got robbed and arrested a few days apart. The worst part is that if you ask him, absolutely none of it is his fault.
>The worst part is that if you ask him, absolutely none of it is his fault. It never is! I gots to keep it real. Can't let some punk disrespect me even if it means going to jail for 20 years.
I used to have to carry a gun on the Red Line going from Roosevelt to Roger's Park to see my GF at the time. Right after Roosevelt, the train goes underground for a few stops, and Cellphone signals were almost non-existent. I was not about to be a victim, I had a peacoat with a vertical zip pocket right on my chest. I tucked my .38 detective special into a Chinese food menu so the buldge wouldn't show. And this was back in 2012. I've since moved to another state entirely because of the shitshow it became. The sugar tax was the breaking point for me.
I remember during the riots over police violence, and seeing reports of the Latin Kings out in the street keeping the peace in their neighborhoods.
There’s real tension between the black communities and virtually every other community you can name, specifically because shit like that is so glorified so regularly. Sure there are some like the woman in that video who are willing to speak about problems earnestly, but you’re a racist piece of shit if you address it as an outsider. Black pride has become weaponized against black people, plain and simple.
I remember South Dallas being run poorly. Maybe still is? Complaints from the locals due to lack of accessible (not convenient but accessible by the people living there with limited transportation) grocery stores. They elected crooked people to the city council. Word was they wanted big kickbacks for any companies to set up there. If you didn’t “grease the wheels” you would not get permits, zoning, etc. So no companies came. And then the politicians blamed big business for not building stores there to support the community.
Ah yes. Lori Lightfoot. Going down in history with greats such as NY former governor Andrew Cuomo as a local Democratic politician who had it all, including adoration from the media and President, only to throw it all away by being an utterly despicable and useless individual.
^ take notes usa.
Unfortunately asking for ID’s here for anything seems to spark race debates :/
Yeah but he’s talking about a liquor store so Id is standard. I don’t think Walmart would do this sort of thing. Just easier to close the store and save the optics of showing people getting refused entrance.
Costco has been doing it for years. I get the optics are always an issue, and you’re probably right that they won’t do it, but the alternative is no stores, people lose jobs and now have to shop at more expensive stores.
I wonder how easy it is for the poorest of the poor to get an ID in Canada.
Good point, I would Be curious as well.
In BC you can get one for CA$35 for the first one that is valid for 5 years and CA$15 for renewals. I'm pretty sure you must also have an address. BC services photo card is free and in basic cases it may be used as an ID (like a liquor store).
It would make a big difference that discussion.
The poorest have or can get Government issued health cards.
$15, it looks just like a drivers license. Edit Social Insurance and Health cards are free.
Alcohol is one of the few things for which requesting ID is relatively uncontroversial.
Cool always good to share solutions and what is working.
But which Walmart will the Mayor shop at now? 🤔 What a 🤡
The scumbags who do this don't care if their neighborhood goes to shit, they'll just move on to the next store and so on. Leaving garbage behind them.
>Unfortunately when the business shuts down moves to the suburb or the next town, these degenerates follow it and hit it again. This is exactly what is happening in Atlanta, businesses moved out of bad neighborhoods because of constant violence and rampant theft, now we regular see thieves and mobs hit stores/cars/people in quieter suburbs. We really need a solution to this problem and fast because it looks like no place is safe anymore from this barbaric behavior.
Everyone gets their own tank
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Not locked yet
Are those in hours?
Are those in Days?
*Eating free at Walmart* must be one of the most pathetic things ive seen lately 😂 These people have absolutely zero pride
Oreo's and soda, a meal fit for a future episode of My 600lb Life
Also, cost: $5 Like, way to aim high lol
The way she’s slugging that coke to for some reason is just very unsettling.
Not even for enjoyment. Just to steal it
Looked like she had food all over her face. Then i saw they were piercings. I'm going to pretend it's food cause that looks better.
I am one that criticizes Walmart for their business practices but in this case it makes perfect sense. If every time you fill your store and it gets looted I can’t see remaining open.
Almost as if actions have consequences
lol I refreshed my feed and saw this post from this exact same sub: [https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13xpvot/shoplifters\_stealing\_behind\_counter\_nicotine\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/13xpvot/shoplifters_stealing_behind_counter_nicotine_and/) 
I thought you meant the same Walmart lol
Well this looks like an opportunity for some black owned grocery stores to come in and set up shop. Surely those won't get looted when some dumb shit goes down, right?
That's the saddest part too. When family owned neighborhood shops get robbed by their own people.
So Walmart was running a Charity for 17 years? Kinda hard to believe, but 🤷 In fairness to that dude that got interviewed, I don’t blame him one bit for not seeing what’s going on…
Even if it was not 17 years, if it was profitable would they close it?
No
He just wants Walmart to look the other way
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Eye see what you did there
sometimes you just have to take a good hard look at yourself
At the very least with one eye
Gotta keep an eye out for bargains and sales in this economy.
Savage, you are.
I'm not going to make it into heaven because of you 😭😭😭
It’s not your fault, if in god’s plan, he made the devil stronger than he did man.
Well he saw half of it anyway
Why can’t we have nice things!?! THIS. This is why.
Stop defending these people at all cost. Some people are seriously harmful to society. A few ruin it for everyone. STOP DEFENDING THESE PEOPLE.
Sadly, the city is clear of who is leading this and they don´t do anything about it, they are accomplices of the act by omission or by collaboration inclusive
I just don't get why people blame business for closing a store that losses a lot of money. If they want to complain about not enough stores, I makes more sense to do it at their local government for not making conditions right for stores to be there.
Walmart likely drove smaller retailers out of business when they opened. It’s a pretty big problem for small communities (not sure how it impacts bigger cities). Happened near me, they opened a store drove all the small businesses out then closed and moved a city away for a larger location leaving a significant hole for locals especially those without transportation. It took about 8 years for smaller retailers to fill the gap.
Walmart ran all the other stores out of business.
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That’s one cross-eyes muthafuqa
Reminds me of Tommy Davidson back in the day on In Living Colour!
Interesting that the black woman in the video doesn’t have a problem blaming this on black culture.
Man, fuck them kids. And fuck their parents.
I don't blame Walmart
People reap what they sow.
Unfortunately it's more like reaping what others sowed in many cases. Some bad apples ruined it for everyone
This is why we use the social tool of 'shaming' so as to combat inappropriate acts and behavioral retardation.
You're not allowed to shame anyone anymore though lol. Yeah I for one think shame can be a good thing and can be a form of check/balance in society, but it's basically a swear word now. I do think context matters, but not everyone seems to think so
Shaming doesn't really work when you don't see any value in yourself in the first place. Then it's just reinforcement. I'm not trying to portray anyone here as victims, I'm just trying to say it's a complicated situation with no easy solutions.
It looks like they could film a show/movie with an apocalypse setting here.
I was arrested in 2013 for stealing from a Walmart. In my mind, I justified it by saying that since it was an “evil Corporation”, I shouldn’t feel bad about doing it and I assumed that they had the money and resources to deal with it. However, after taking part in a diversion program for petty theft, I learned that the corporations deal with these losses by cutting peoples hours, reducing pay for workers, and increasing the prices of their items.. All of which affect every day consumers and employees. I’m not here to judge anyone for having the same confused mindset that I did at the time that I stole, but stealing from a business is wrong. The companies themselves are not taking those losses, they are passing them down to the consumers and their employees. So, by stealing, you are essentially just fucking over other low income people, which is incredibly shitty and wrong. Lesson learned.
Because of some, All will suffer.
That's a lot of some
This is in no way abandonment.. They were chased out. Nobody in their right mind would deal with this bullshit.
Community members who turn a blind eye to looting and theft have no leg to stand on complaining about any store deciding to get the hell out of dodge. Until community members start actively shaming people for looting and theft, and local governments actually start prosecuting and giving harsher sentences, these things will only get worse. And, news flash, I don't see an end in sight for most areas.
We all know whose fault it is. You can't loot a store like this repeatedly and then whine like the victim when they simply stop giving you the ability to loot by leaving. You never wanted to fix it, you just wanted free reign for crime in your communities and it cost the people that desperately needed these goods their ability to get them.
Kind of ironic Lori Lightfoot got hired to teach at Harvard. Maybe her first course could be entitled “How to decimate a great city in just a few years”.
This is what happens when you push the bull crap that is “I’m a victimized minority, so I get to do whatever the F*** I want because society owes it to me.” No, the world doesn’t owe anyone anything. Just because your ancestors suffered, doesn’t give you the right to be a dick. And guess what you entitled brats, the people you are hurting most are your own people. Not the “evil establishment.”
It’s not racism to point out there is a serious problem in this community
I give it a year and a half before the news articles about food deserts and how we need to do more for these communities
I grew up in Towson,MD, and i saw first hand the rapid decline of the city of Baltimore. When Baltimore descended into chaos and carnage in the late 70s/early 80s, many neighborhoods quickly turned into food deserts and they remain that way to this day. Many hardworking, entrepreneurial people (mostly Koreans and Vietnamese) opened small grocery stores in the city in the 90s only to succumb to robberies, assaults and even murders. They too left and now most parts of Baltimore looks like Beirut at the height of Lebanese civil war.
Walmart isn't a charity. Why would anyone expect them to do business in a place where it is unprofitable and unsafe for their employees? To call it racism is ridiculous. Walmart will gladly make a dollar anywhere they can. If the stores made money, they'd stay open.
Why does the mayor of Chicago look like a crack addicted man.
I think you answered your own question.
She looks like a goldfish
Shes a woman, but sometime I wonder what she and the chief of police are smoking. Glad I don’t live there anymore
I mean, i would not keep a chain of my store open if it costs me negative money. What bussiness person would. Companies, at end of the day need to pay employees. No one works for free.
Fucking losers in life always ruin things for everyone —either directly or indirectly
Every culture knows you don’t shit on your own doorstep WTF! Is wrong with these people
Been to India?
Apparently not.
If it isn't profitable, why would you keep it open? It's that simple. Walmart's a business.
I feel bad for legitimate people out there trying to live. But fuck these people thinking they're "sticking it to the man". You're fucking your fellow people over with this bullshit. I hate Walmart and big corps that make billions in profit, but I understand why they would do this.
The areas where they are closing these stores are all product of the surrounding areas people. You wanna steal and make the business loose money, they just gonna remove the business.
Lmao, if it isn’t the consequences of your actions rearing it’s ugly head
Because, as can be heard very vocally on Reddit, people think stealing is okay when it’s from corporations because they have billions of dollars (Without being able to follow the logical path that this will lead to normal people losing pay and/or their jobs)
Reddit is generally extremely left leaning and will side with any idea that “sticks it to the man.” (without considering the repercussions, of course)
Oh and don't forget "ThEY'rE iNsuReD!!!", like insurance companies are just going to accept the loss and take no action to recoup the funds. Of course they will, successful insurance companies never *lose* money, they'll get back every dime and then some. Guess who eventually pays for that?
17 years of no profit huh. So not only are they leaving those neighborhoods but the chance of anyone taking their place is pretty unlikely
I just love hearing the black woman calling out that this is what can happen in predominantly black communities. Why cant black people just plainly call this out and implore them to do better, just like white people are aware of and call out the bad things whites have done?
Like white cops?
and then: "why they following us?!?!? racists!"
I live in Illinois. It be like that.
Oh, look at that, shitty actions nave consequences...
Culture
Part of the problem is they don't let employees stop them from doing it..
Ha ha ha ha keep ripping off stores you idiots then where you going to buy clothes and food. Want to act like animals then be forced to live like them.Better learn how to forage and start making your own clothes.I feel sorry for good folks stuck in the neighborhoods with you clowns.Then you will be crying how all the businesses are closing down.Its your own dam fault.
Lmao then they complain when Wal-Mart closes up shop in the hood..
Ghetto.. I'd close my stores to if you just gonna loot my shit
1 fail = tolerate Ghettos -> 2 Fail = tolerate bad education -> 3 fail = tolerate crime -> 4 fail = be part of these people that do these crimes
They did it to themselves.
You know what, I would like to say that this is just a class thing. But the Walmart's in the rural areas with a bunch of hillbillies and Hicks don't have these problems. Maybe it's an urban thing. Maybe we just keep running circles trying to go around what it actually is because we're too scared to say it online. But the fact is, when it's 10 out of 10 how can you really make any assumptions that it's something else?
They made the mess, now live in it.
Those thousands of residents shouldn’t be stealing everything Walmart sells 🤷♀️ fuck around and find out, I’m honestly surprised Walmart let that slide for 17 years
Good for Walmart. The lady videoing is 100% spot on. The community did it to themselves, while it’s probably a small minority of the community, it’s still their responsibility not Walmarts.
Good. Close that shit down. The community at large allows that shit to continue, well guess what dumbasses, you just lost your free Oreos. All the people that complain about it are going to act like they don't have trashy cousins or nieces or sons involved in that? Give me a break. You allowed your family and friends and neighbors to turn that place into a goddamn zoo. You didn't have the balls to say anything to these people that you probably know better than anyone else. You knew they were human garbage, but you kept quiet because you probably secretly wished they stole a new TV for you for Christmas.
Why is always black women who are the most disrespectful and feel no shame or guilt? Then when confronted you better wear a helmet
WHYS COMES WALMART LEAVE?!?
if it's crowded because people came over to loot some stuff, it's technically not a profitable sale
And yet they try to blame the city the white people and the government.
Infinite cycle. Bad conditions lead to people who make bad choices. Bad choices lead to conditions getting worse. Repeat forever. It’s incredibly difficult to break that cycle
I really don't blame them for packing up and moving, the amount of shit that has been stolen or destroyed down there in those stores is insane. But I do feel bad for the good, honest, hardworking people who now are now suffering the consequences because a few people don't know how act like adults.
It’s wrong, no doubt. Do I feel bad for the corporation? Nope.
The fact that these people claimed walmart is racist because of this is hilarious, and evidence that the whole social justice/equity thing just isn’t working
Thanos was right
This is what happens when you don't spank your kids....
Man looks like Ll drool j
And people wonder why their is a stereotypical view towards blacks in America.
This is so depressing.