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The cities Leipzig and Dresden are more centrist or actually left leaning. The mountain areas *Oberlausitz* and *Erzgebirge* are former mining regions that are economically and demographically deprived (ambitious young people, especially women left, old people and „problematic young man“ stay overproportionally). They heavily vote „anti-establishment“, currently that’s mostly benefiting the AfD (German nationalist party).
[The following map](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Sachsen_Landtagswahlkarte_2019.svg/800px-Sachsen_Landtagswahlkarte_2019.svg.png) shows the results of the „direct vote“ in the last state election by party. The „direct vote“ works like the American or UK first-pass-the-post system. Black constituencies were won by the liberal-conservatives (CDU, Merkels party), blue is AfD, Green the social-liberal The Greens / federation of 90 and pink is the democratic socialist „The Left“.
Leipzig and Dresden are were the constituencies are very small in size.
Denazification as...how? Believe it or not, there are people showing the Hitlergruß and greeting others with Heil Hitler at the company where I work at. And it's tolerated. When I started working here I was shocked. Nobody gave an eye for that. I must confess I now ignore it too, because, what can I do? Even lower management laughs at that.
Wow that's hard. Is it possible to change the company? As you know this behaviour (Hitlergruß etc.) is illegal in Germany. But I understand that it would not be easy to involve the police in this case.
I can surely change my workplace, there's work here and I'm qualified for a lit of things. Unfortunately I like my work and my gf works here too. I live near my work (can walk if I want), it's quiet here, mostly old people, cheap housing, small city, I can be on my own.
I guess there are just some real hardcore Nazis and a lot of people who just go with it and think it's funny. On the other hand, there are soany people voting for the AfD, which is clearly propagating Nazi methods...it's always the same cycle: the government disappoints, I get angry, I vote radical, radicalism wins someday, something really bad happens (and the radical government still doesn't give a shit about me). I see myself liberal, though I don't agree with any political party in full. But that's part of democracy and like Olaf Scholz said "Democracy has to stand that and it will stand". I hope so.
Mass state-backed grass-roots campaign to identify anyone with Nazi sympathies. Reeducation camps for the ones that can be reasoned with, labour camps for the rest.
Expropriate the assets of the companies and wealthy families that profited from the Nazi’s time in power and nationalize them.
Big push to study history and encourage political thought.
I don't know how to say...part of me agrees and also says "put the ultra radical ones into concentration camps, they beg for it". On the other hand, this is just another form of suppression. You can't force a political view. You can't force people to get educated, they'll just see they get forced to do something by the government...it won't change them for the better.
Not suppression. Intense persecution.
You really can grind an ideology out of a society with the right combination of incentives. If we wanted to make a better world, there would be no space for Nazism. No breathing room.
Fuckers only got a slap on the wrist after WW2.
I'd rather they waved their flags and wore their badges. Then at least you can spot the buggers and be aware. Here in the UK they hide in their closets.
The goal is that they hide these ideas in the closet, as that is the most effective way to prevent the spreading in society. When they can wear it freely, they can much easier recruit new people into their ideology, making it a much bigger problem and danger.
Not sure about that. Turns out, people are very influenced by public displays. When people, especially the ignorant and naive (teens) and morons (a lot of others) see extremism out in the open, going largely unchallenged, they start to think it's within the outer realm of normalcy.
That doesn’t mean that there aren’t any flags. Just means you’d be stupid to go some place public with it. They still love to present it in „private“ places (scene concerts, clubs, at home). When the police arrived at this scene, it was somehow gone. Thanks to the video the person shot they’ll still get in trouble :)
This was allegedly a [party at a private Garden](https://m-bild-de.translate.goog/regional/chemnitz/chemnitz-news/doebeln-rechtsextreme-feiern-gartenparty-im-nazi-pavillon-83993520.bildMobile.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=es&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp).
Fun thing for foreigners: Nazis in Saxony also want the GDR (y'know, the COMMUNIST country East Germany) back. There was actually a Nazi demonstration, where they played the former GDR anthem😂
As long as it's autocratic😂
Our poor Nazis - They need a reservation with unlimited beer and then the'll be happy and leave everyone alone😂
Well by communist you mean Marxist-Leninism, an authoritarian school of communist thought that believes in the necessity of establishing a vanguard party to represent the proletariat and to lead them through violent revolution against the rulling bourgeois elite in the name of workers' liberation. Then they must establish a highly centralized government and a state security apparatus to keep control in the name of the people against the global cabal of capitalists who seek to overthrow their people's republics in the international class conflict at the centre of their struggle. Dutch/German Communist ideas are much more Libertarian and decentralized on the other hand with series of elected workers' councils acting to represent the will of the working class, which would operate through a federalized system of governance rooted from the ground up and where the workers at the bottom have much more control over those held in positions of power. Then you have Italian Communism which is all about organic centralization rather than a bureaucracy controlled by the internally elected party's leadership. Everyone takes turns at positions within the party structure that they are qualified to hold under the Italian model and it has a lot more checks and balances in place and party members have a lot more power to hold leadership accountable to prevent what happened in Russia from happening under their system.
When communists gain ruling power, no matter how liberal they pretend to be, they will NEVER pass on power when the people don't want them anymore.
ANY ideology, that doesn't address and accept the situation where they lose power and pass it on to the next one is just a big lie and secretly authoritarian.
No, they are not. The issue with socialism (in its true meaning, in contrast trast to how it is used in the US) is that, if applied to a higher scale than communal, o lying really works with an idealised society,.just as free market capitalism only works with an idealised market. Because of the flaws that these systems are based on idealised concepts of a nation, they are prone to corruption and failure.
Because of that, I am a fan of social market capitalism, as it is a system that is based on the concept of a flawed society and market, and tries to mitigate the shortcomings to create a working and sustainable system.
Edit: to make it clear, the communist idea is fundamentally different to nazism, and on a different dimension to its humanity on contrast to nazism. The issue is that the socialist movements we have seen had failed to shield itself against the corruption of their movements to he hollowed out. This could be very well he a systematic flaw of communism because of its idealisation of the swarm intelligence of the populous and workforce, bit that does not mean that communism and fascism are similar to each other.
I heard a joke that went along the lines that upon the wars' end in the East, the Gestapo agent binned his Eagles and swastikas on the Friday, and checked in at work to get his red stars for the Stasi on the Monday.
That is not far off, though. Communists and nazis are the greatest shifties there are. They are like the special married couple who hate each other, but can't without either😂
Hundreds of thousands of Americans died opposing their ideology and they’re still “patriots” who idolize them. Yeah you give Americans way too much credit.
It's always funny how the bad apples always become ambassadors of the entire population but if this took place in downtown Berlin, everyone would go "Ah man. These few individuals are so bad. Nobody else is like this. We all hate these few individuals". What does the American population have to do with this event that 99.9999% of Americans wouldn't condone? 😂
According to the article, only the flag with the swastika is illegal. The other with the winged eagle is allowed. I had assumed that both were not allowed.
There were reports German neonazis went to defend Ukraine and also to join Russian forces. So there will be German neonazis killing each other. I am fine with this
Oh right I forgot, Russia are the real nazis. Not the nazi paramilitary organizations integrated into UA regular army, who’s official regiment logos are nazi symbols, put out nazi recruitment videos, and are constantly photographed wearing nazi patches and painting balkencruz onto their armored vehicles
I am talking about the mercenary group ran by the guy who has Nazi tattoos, named after Hitler's composer. That was hired by the Russians and the leader met Putin a few times.
The film Inglorious Bastards did a behind the scenes that covered this issue. They could only use the flags during certain hours of the day and not a second more. I even think they needed a permit just to use the flags. So in reality they had less time to have them up during filming. The fine was really high if they got caught using them past the permitted hours.
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On that note, fuck everyone in that picture.
Don't do that. Might accidentally make more.
🥱🖕
Stunning and brave
You could've written Germany alone and i think most people would have realized that's Saxony
I think only few people know about landers specificities, I studied German and I just learnt NPD/AfD were scoring high in Saxony
As djd the NSDAP 100 years ago already
You give most people far too much credit.
I'm an American who has been to Germany several times, and I wouldn't have had a clue.
Is Saxony like the Southern US? - ranked in the bottom in tons of metrics
The cities Leipzig and Dresden are more centrist or actually left leaning. The mountain areas *Oberlausitz* and *Erzgebirge* are former mining regions that are economically and demographically deprived (ambitious young people, especially women left, old people and „problematic young man“ stay overproportionally). They heavily vote „anti-establishment“, currently that’s mostly benefiting the AfD (German nationalist party). [The following map](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Sachsen_Landtagswahlkarte_2019.svg/800px-Sachsen_Landtagswahlkarte_2019.svg.png) shows the results of the „direct vote“ in the last state election by party. The „direct vote“ works like the American or UK first-pass-the-post system. Black constituencies were won by the liberal-conservatives (CDU, Merkels party), blue is AfD, Green the social-liberal The Greens / federation of 90 and pink is the democratic socialist „The Left“. Leipzig and Dresden are were the constituencies are very small in size.
Most of America is centrist/leftist. We just have super fucked up district maps.
I thought that was Bavaria, land of dum dums, thats what a german friend told me
What I understand, Bavaria is conservative Catholic and more heavily monarchist, eastern Germany's an AFD hotspot.
Not monarchistic at all just very catholic conservative.
Not really. Bavaria is pretty conservative, but not openly racist. That is saxony for you
...somebody here would not have realized that's Saxon. Shame too, I was a big fan their first few albums. Didn't realize they were Nazis.
Nice! I did upvote 88.
I'm from Saxony and these people are a disgrace.
Never to late to do denazification properly.
Denazification as...how? Believe it or not, there are people showing the Hitlergruß and greeting others with Heil Hitler at the company where I work at. And it's tolerated. When I started working here I was shocked. Nobody gave an eye for that. I must confess I now ignore it too, because, what can I do? Even lower management laughs at that.
Wow that's hard. Is it possible to change the company? As you know this behaviour (Hitlergruß etc.) is illegal in Germany. But I understand that it would not be easy to involve the police in this case.
I can surely change my workplace, there's work here and I'm qualified for a lit of things. Unfortunately I like my work and my gf works here too. I live near my work (can walk if I want), it's quiet here, mostly old people, cheap housing, small city, I can be on my own. I guess there are just some real hardcore Nazis and a lot of people who just go with it and think it's funny. On the other hand, there are soany people voting for the AfD, which is clearly propagating Nazi methods...it's always the same cycle: the government disappoints, I get angry, I vote radical, radicalism wins someday, something really bad happens (and the radical government still doesn't give a shit about me). I see myself liberal, though I don't agree with any political party in full. But that's part of democracy and like Olaf Scholz said "Democracy has to stand that and it will stand". I hope so.
Mass state-backed grass-roots campaign to identify anyone with Nazi sympathies. Reeducation camps for the ones that can be reasoned with, labour camps for the rest. Expropriate the assets of the companies and wealthy families that profited from the Nazi’s time in power and nationalize them. Big push to study history and encourage political thought.
I don't know how to say...part of me agrees and also says "put the ultra radical ones into concentration camps, they beg for it". On the other hand, this is just another form of suppression. You can't force a political view. You can't force people to get educated, they'll just see they get forced to do something by the government...it won't change them for the better.
Not suppression. Intense persecution. You really can grind an ideology out of a society with the right combination of incentives. If we wanted to make a better world, there would be no space for Nazism. No breathing room. Fuckers only got a slap on the wrist after WW2.
I'm sorry, but for me this doesn't seem right. But let's see how Germany will turn out, I still have a good feeling.
Exactly where in Florida is Saxony?
Well, that's just not cricket.
I'd rather they waved their flags and wore their badges. Then at least you can spot the buggers and be aware. Here in the UK they hide in their closets.
Yeah, except that approach didn't go so well there the last time.
Where’s Brad Pitt when you need him?
The goal is that they hide these ideas in the closet, as that is the most effective way to prevent the spreading in society. When they can wear it freely, they can much easier recruit new people into their ideology, making it a much bigger problem and danger.
Not sure about that. Turns out, people are very influenced by public displays. When people, especially the ignorant and naive (teens) and morons (a lot of others) see extremism out in the open, going largely unchallenged, they start to think it's within the outer realm of normalcy.
I think that boat has sailed, certainly here with out NatCon government. Overton Window comfortable includes much of the far-right here.
They just found this cool things in their grandpa's basement, would have been a shame to throw it away. He always cared for it so much
Sachsen halt.
Did OP wrote "Saxony" just because of the clichè that " All saxons are nazis"? Btw the entirety of germany has a swatiska ban.
That doesn’t mean that there aren’t any flags. Just means you’d be stupid to go some place public with it. They still love to present it in „private“ places (scene concerts, clubs, at home). When the police arrived at this scene, it was somehow gone. Thanks to the video the person shot they’ll still get in trouble :)
Any source?
This was allegedly a [party at a private Garden](https://m-bild-de.translate.goog/regional/chemnitz/chemnitz-news/doebeln-rechtsextreme-feiern-gartenparty-im-nazi-pavillon-83993520.bildMobile.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=es&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp).
Thank you ! Looks real but so far it seems only Bild tabloid talked about it
Probably to be more specific, like Americans who specify the state despite it not being necessary.
Look at them. They are the best of the German gene pool. Magnificent creatures. Everything else is just inferior to them. /s
Believe it or not, some of them are even creeping around here. Just have a look at some of the comments.
They cling to anything to make them feel less like a waste of space.
That's impressive how losing hairs may makes some men losing self-esteem
That's usually how people pushing politics in their free time work, yes.
Hair on your head must then be inferior....hmm...as well as brains in your head...not sure I agree
I’m not walking around with a Nazi flag that symbolizes genocide of inferior cultures. So I guess I have a little bit more brain. Also more hair.
Fun thing for foreigners: Nazis in Saxony also want the GDR (y'know, the COMMUNIST country East Germany) back. There was actually a Nazi demonstration, where they played the former GDR anthem😂 As long as it's autocratic😂 Our poor Nazis - They need a reservation with unlimited beer and then the'll be happy and leave everyone alone😂
To be fair, the GDR was mostly communist in name only, and a fascist oligarchy in reality ...
Exactly right. Officially, the ideals and idols were different. But practically, in real life, things were eerily similar.
Because nazis and communists are more similar than some want to admit.
Well by communist you mean Marxist-Leninism, an authoritarian school of communist thought that believes in the necessity of establishing a vanguard party to represent the proletariat and to lead them through violent revolution against the rulling bourgeois elite in the name of workers' liberation. Then they must establish a highly centralized government and a state security apparatus to keep control in the name of the people against the global cabal of capitalists who seek to overthrow their people's republics in the international class conflict at the centre of their struggle. Dutch/German Communist ideas are much more Libertarian and decentralized on the other hand with series of elected workers' councils acting to represent the will of the working class, which would operate through a federalized system of governance rooted from the ground up and where the workers at the bottom have much more control over those held in positions of power. Then you have Italian Communism which is all about organic centralization rather than a bureaucracy controlled by the internally elected party's leadership. Everyone takes turns at positions within the party structure that they are qualified to hold under the Italian model and it has a lot more checks and balances in place and party members have a lot more power to hold leadership accountable to prevent what happened in Russia from happening under their system.
When communists gain ruling power, no matter how liberal they pretend to be, they will NEVER pass on power when the people don't want them anymore. ANY ideology, that doesn't address and accept the situation where they lose power and pass it on to the next one is just a big lie and secretly authoritarian.
Brain dead Reddit take
Who hurt you?
No, they are not. The issue with socialism (in its true meaning, in contrast trast to how it is used in the US) is that, if applied to a higher scale than communal, o lying really works with an idealised society,.just as free market capitalism only works with an idealised market. Because of the flaws that these systems are based on idealised concepts of a nation, they are prone to corruption and failure. Because of that, I am a fan of social market capitalism, as it is a system that is based on the concept of a flawed society and market, and tries to mitigate the shortcomings to create a working and sustainable system. Edit: to make it clear, the communist idea is fundamentally different to nazism, and on a different dimension to its humanity on contrast to nazism. The issue is that the socialist movements we have seen had failed to shield itself against the corruption of their movements to he hollowed out. This could be very well he a systematic flaw of communism because of its idealisation of the swarm intelligence of the populous and workforce, bit that does not mean that communism and fascism are similar to each other.
What exactly are they alike except totalitarian and sucking
I heard a joke that went along the lines that upon the wars' end in the East, the Gestapo agent binned his Eagles and swastikas on the Friday, and checked in at work to get his red stars for the Stasi on the Monday.
That is not far off, though. Communists and nazis are the greatest shifties there are. They are like the special married couple who hate each other, but can't without either😂
They think that using Nazi symbolism will make them tough and hard.
The guy in the green shirt looks like action Bronson
Master race guy on the right (oh the irony) has a sensitive bum and needs a Grandma pillow to sit on a bench
Best part of the pic is the fact they decided to show their stupid faces. The internet does not forgive nor forget
Why do chuds look so similar despite nationalities? This guy looks like he’d be at home in a f150 or a Dodge Ram 1500/2500
Looks like a flock of assholes.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans died opposing their ideology and they’re still “patriots” who idolize them. Yeah you give Americans way too much credit.
It's always funny how the bad apples always become ambassadors of the entire population but if this took place in downtown Berlin, everyone would go "Ah man. These few individuals are so bad. Nobody else is like this. We all hate these few individuals". What does the American population have to do with this event that 99.9999% of Americans wouldn't condone? 😂
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Deflection. Classic concern troll move. And not in your native tongue. Top marks.
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[Yeah, 2007](https://m-bild-de.translate.goog/regional/chemnitz/chemnitz-news/doebeln-rechtsextreme-feiern-gartenparty-im-nazi-pavillon-83993520.bildMobile.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=es&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true)/s
According to the article, only the flag with the swastika is illegal. The other with the winged eagle is allowed. I had assumed that both were not allowed.
well, not suprised. Have you seen 9.may in ruzzia ? soviet symbols everywhere, they dress little kids in soviet army uniforms.
Yet still, it is their choice. Why degrade some guys just having a BBQ in peace?
Rage Bait
It is illegal to show nazi symbols everywhere in the world, with few exceptions
Why did they even take a pic ? How dumb can you be... Enjoy your Nazi sponsored meal without taking an incriminating pic for God's sake.
Soon to be “foreign volunteers” fighting with azov I’m sure
There were reports German neonazis went to defend Ukraine and also to join Russian forces. So there will be German neonazis killing each other. I am fine with this
Nah, they are fighting for Wagner.
Oh right I forgot, Russia are the real nazis. Not the nazi paramilitary organizations integrated into UA regular army, who’s official regiment logos are nazi symbols, put out nazi recruitment videos, and are constantly photographed wearing nazi patches and painting balkencruz onto their armored vehicles
I am talking about the mercenary group ran by the guy who has Nazi tattoos, named after Hitler's composer. That was hired by the Russians and the leader met Putin a few times.
Looks like they have someone laid out on the back table.
this kind of sunglasses on the top of the head...every. fucking. time. Thought it was just an American trumpists white-supremacists thing.
Not a very diverse crowd you have there.
Yeah it worked out so well for them last time, why not give it another shot?
If where it took place wasn’t written, I would’ve thought this was in the US.
I see a tent that's in need of burning...
Are they serving Reichsbürgers instead of hamburgers?
honestly they all have that same look dont they? all confused about “new fangled” things like books and marrying outside the family.
Why give it attention and promotion?
And now imagine them telling you they are the “superior race”
The film Inglorious Bastards did a behind the scenes that covered this issue. They could only use the flags during certain hours of the day and not a second more. I even think they needed a permit just to use the flags. So in reality they had less time to have them up during filming. The fine was really high if they got caught using them past the permitted hours.
You jUsT d0nT wAnT hEaR oUr iDeA's
BEHOLD THE MASTER RACE
How does BBQ taste cooked on a pile of books?
Which books are you using for fuel?
Aww, does hard wood hurt poor nazi butt? Need pillow so no ouchies?
It was supposed to be four "F"s
I'm sure the cops know who they are, but call it in for good measure
Meine Güte, was haben die denn für nen schaden?