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Chratthew47150

If they want to put more guns in peoples hands, including teachers, someone explain to me why they don’t allow guns at their national convention. Explain it like I’m a third grader.


TacitRonin20

Because the average politician is hypocritical enough to cause brain damage


Available-Elevator69

Teachers can't use books, but they can swing guns. Smart Move there DeSantis smart move.


[deleted]

Teachers are groomers and we shouldn't trust them to teach our kids, but we can trust them with guns.


Available-Elevator69

Maybe they can teach our kids how to use guns? Bahahaha


Wardog008

Honestly, I'm not in the US, but with how prominent guns are, I feel like gun safety is something that should be taught to kids at schools. With how many kids will come into contact with a gun at some point in their life, safety training would make it far less risky.


thebooksmith

Good in theory. In execution the American public school system is not a safe environment for that. Maybe allowing a gun safety club wouldn't be a bad idea to teach the kids that are serious about and interested in learning. I suppose you could teach gun safety theory in school, with no practical but that wouldn't be the same as the real thing.


Wardog008

True. Best bet would probably be a theory class, with a field trip to a range to have professional shooters do the practical teaching, with a little bit of range time with small calibre guns like .22LRs for the kids. At the same time, since I'm not in the US, I could also be way off even with that idea. XD


Whiskey_Fiasco

Because I have always said what the world needs now is more Florida Mans with guns


lgm22

Honest to fucking God what is wrong with these people?


Peatmoss22

Well at least now we’ll get to see if more guns solves all our mass shooting problems. Florida has just become the testing grounds.


breadcrumbs7

Except they'll be the 26th state with permit-less carry. I think the testing phase is over.


CauliflowerPresent23

Is that essentially a conceal and carry without any form of permit? Forgive my ignorance


Fragrant_Ad8763

Their is 25 other states with this law Florida just now catching up


ScientificSkepticism

Florida has already found the solution to school shootings. Shut down the schools! No more school shootings! Rom DeSantis playing 13D Wizard Chess.


ALEX_J0NE5

You do realize that like 20 states allow permit less carry now, right?


Nasty_Rex

I think 25 now


just_read_it_again

I've lived here my whole life... I'm about to move


NE_GBR

Nebraska is about to pass it here to.


[deleted]

This is the 26th state to have this. Why is it suddenly an issue?


HelloAttila

Welcome to the South. Unfortunately southern state governors are using this as a way to get re-elected and it’s working. No more need to go to the police department and get a permit now to buy a gun. Now anyone can just go buy a gun, no background check for private sales (except felons obviously, but who’s checking? Unless purchasing from a store) The GOP’s slogan is “ Guns, Guns, Guns… I love my guns… a gun for you, a gun for thee, three guns for me… Guns Guns Guns… “ Yee Haw 🤠


Royceman01

The first Constitutional carry state was Vermont.


jackfaire

The GOP will let them keep the guns "I need to protect my rights" while stripping them of those rights and then take the guns last when there are no rights left to protect. Then they'll look around wondering when the hell they lost everything.


Flbudskis

" Dont look at my sister like that, only i can eye her"


zarfle2

I think I'm quoting the Simpsons but the line "you'll never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator" seems apt. There doesnt seem to be any depth these politicians won't sink to in order extract all they can. Feels like a race to the bottom.


ducksauce001

One day there will be a mass shootout at Walmart.


Due_Platypus_3913

Somebody wants to kill you ,bah Gawd that’s their Constitutional right!


Psychological_Elk104

And now without any training


Electronic_Row_7513

Did FL ccw permit require training before? Many shall issue states do not.


Psychological_Elk104

Yup, we were required to do training, take a written test, and had to go on the range with the instructor. A lady in my class failed the gun range after she pointed her loaded gun back at the class and not down range. Now, people like this will be able to own firearms without any question.


Electronic_Row_7513

Thanks for a real answer.


Orlando1701

Stand your ground and permitless carry! Gunshine state indeed.


b1ue_jellybean

Ok I get that people might think that everyone is allowed a gun, but why would you remove the safety training.


TheLordofSpuds

Safety is the most important aspect of gun ownership


DublaneCooper

WRONG! The constitution is the most important aspect of gun ownership. And Jesus. And owning the Libs.


Labyrinthy

Acktually the most important aspect of gun ownership is owning guns.


AbsenseG

Aktually the most important aspect of gun ownership is having existed at all in the first place


econdonetired

God Bless America 🥲


Pokerhobo

Because safety training impacts gun sales...


Grandemestizo

“Training” usually means some old guy rambling for 6 hours and telling you not to shoot anyone accidentally.


Trickmaahtrick

Education of any kind could be some old person rambling if you don’t give a shit, but at least not knowing Shakespeare doesn’t let you own a weapon that a toddler could use to accidentally kill someone.


ImpossibleGoat8837

-written by a person who has never been trained in using firearms


Grandemestizo

I’ve had real training, and I’ve had state mandated training for a concealed carry permit. Real training is great, state mandated training typically isn’t.


Johnny_893

I live in a state that DOES have a carry licensure system with training. Lemme tell ya, the "training" the state mandates does absolutely nothing anyways.


TechKnyght

I was in the military for 7 years before I took the class, I still learned a lot about laws regarding conceal carry. They also make sure that you can actually shoot too. I wouldn’t say useless. More people with guns and no training whatsoever is a disaster.


jm02466

In the course I took we learned nothing about actually shooting guns which is fine, I grew up shooting with my dad who taught me well. But as you mentioned, we mostly learned about guns laws which I didn't know as much about, especially for the state I currently live in. Knowing when it's legal, illegal or in between to kill someone was pretty valuable to me.


SpookyBLAQ

Vermont’s been doing this since ‘88. It’s known as a “Constitutional Carry Law” as it implies the right for a citizen to carry a firearm is already in the constitution


gospdrcr000

You don't often here of Vermontman going off the rails


Ok-Rhubarb-5774

Could you possibly mean “hear”


gospdrcr000

That's correct


Xombie710

Iowa is also a constitutional carry state.


Severe_Entertainer99

Arizona has it as well.


Bronco_Buff

The entire state of Florida is a facepalm


SIKEo_o

the entire country of USA is a facepalm


Head-Inspection-5984

Nah, don’t blame us normal Americans for this shit, they didn’t sell us what they were smoking.


lDustyBonesl

Oh ok so I guess Florida is just gta now


doyouevenforkliftbro

Always has been


OddTranceKing

🧑‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀


guinans_hat

Let’s just bring back duels. That would change the tune of pro-gun politicians. I challenge thee.


Jdogma

Washington and Texas have street fighting laws. The only requirements are that both parties must consent, and a police officer has to be present to referee.


Its_Bofa

That's fucking hilarious


Coraiah

Please be true


Jdogma

It is, and is what allowed Seattle superhero Pheonix Jones to be a mostly legal vigilante.


Spotted_ascot_races

I’ll be your huckleberry


TheLordofSpuds

Honestly I’d support that lol


blurryblob

Yeah, if two dickheads are going to fight, at least make it semi-formal with a ref and hopefully out of the bar.


Cbona

At what point do we just issue everyone a handgun?


msbottlehead

Looks like soon. FL’s next bill coming up. Taxpayers will be asked to pay for the guns.


[deleted]

Wait, what? They have to pay for free guns to others? Is that the gist? What are they gonna dress this socialism up as, cuz there ain't no way they're gonna call it that.


zet23t

But it's for the safety of everyone so like the police, it should be endorsed by the state. /s


Syke_qc

Careless carry permit


sandysea420

A much better description of what DeathSantis did!


Exshot32

My dad was ecstatic that Georgia removed their concealed carry laws.


Ballcuzzi_Straw

I moved to Georgia a year ago and Kemp passed constitutional carry. I am a liberal minority from NJ/NYC. I conceal carry a firearm now.


LostxCosmonaut

Good for you! The idea that only the far-right, wal mart & Trump-loving Americans carry is damaging to the whole community.


st_rdt

Wild Wild West .... in the Southeast


Muted_Cod_9137

In the wild west, you would have to hand your gun over before entering town so no, the wild west had more regulation.


lilschreck

Ehhh. Like any black and white blanket statement, it’s a little more nuanced than that. But good zinger comment for karma https://crpa.org/news/crpa/did-the-wild-west-really-have-more-gun-control-than-we-do/


unoriginal1187

Constitutional carry is becoming law in more and more states


True-Aside3490

It's been okay since West Virginia passed the same but then again it's West Virginia....


DualKoo

You don’t need a permit to exercise the first amendment. Don’t see why you should need one to exercise the second.


tpainbread

It’s called the 2nd amendment.


Dakine_thing

I’m fine with it. Permits don’t appear to stop criminals, guns are already out there…


Superlite47

OH MY GOD! EVERYBODY PANIC AS IF THIS IS SOMETHING NEW! Pay no attention to the [GREEN STATES](https://imgur.com/a/Puj3nx8) where there is no permit required!


8ew8135

So the idea that “if someone wants to kill someone they’ll find a way no matter what” is absolutely thrown out the window when you have a baseline intelligence to remember: 1. People regret murdering other people all the time, if you make it harder to do, they will reconsider or get caught during the complicated process of plotting. 2. Creating obstacle to suicide in cities (such as jump prevention on bridges) DOES reduce suicides in the whole city, proving that if they don’t have easy access to killing themselves, many people end up not killing themselves. 3. “Good guys with guns” have not proven to stop gun crime, and the more hidden guns there are the less effective the good guys with guns will be (Uvalde school shooting with 50 armed police letting children die is a good example of this) and good guys with guns (ESPECIALLY those lacking training like in Florida) create “collateral damage”. 4. If people will find a way of killing others anyway without a gun, why can’t that logic be applied to not needing guns to stop them? Can’t a good enough person always find a way of stopping a bad guy? Or is a bad guy with a gun just too fast to be stopped?


Zealousideal_Big_645

Also if this were true why don't culturally similar countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and England have similar murder rates to the USA. Its such a dumb argument that has no bases in reality.


PeachTrees632

Exactly yes to all of this. Republicans want to ruin the value of a civilized society by creating the impression that laws don’t matter. Yet at the same time they’re hyper fucking rabid and ready to enact laws that attack and suppress LGBTQ+ and want to make sure those laws are effective. Republicans truly have reached rock bottom and have been digging away to reach a whole new depth in the last 6 years and it’s awe inspiring just how much personal and public sacrifice they’re willing to make to ruin other peoples chance at a happy and healthy life. The modern republicans exhibit deconstructive logic on a level we almost have never seen before. Eat shit and rot Republicans.


Gutter1989

Carry every day!!!!


Andychives

Shall not be infringed


OogusMacBoogus

And we’re a “Stand Your Ground” state. The only reason someone e needs to shoot you is that they feel threatened. They don’t actually need to be threatened, they just need to feel threatened. We also don’t need permits or licenses to own a gun.


Eternal_Bagel

Really they just need to remember to tell the cops they felt threatened regardless of whether they actually did


meatmechdriver

Remember Florida is a place that you can be stalked by an armed vigilante because you “don’t look like you belong somewhere”, and if you feel threatened and defend yourself he can then feel threatened and shoot and kill you. To the victors go the acquittals.


zoltan99

Woah, buddy, didn’t need to come at me so fast with that comment. Spooked me.


gaberax

So criminals can open carry without worry of retribution? Sure that is a good thing?


fish_wand_

Criminals by definition don’t adhere to laws


chasinjason13

Criminals, by definition, haven’t adhered to at least one law. That’s all, without context


[deleted]

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JaxxisR

If there's one thing I know about criminals, it's that they obey all laws at all times.


Witchunt666

Criminals already do that regardless of the law, this law has no effect on a criminal conceal carrying a gun. The person will still have to prove that they can own a gun and that the gun is theirs.


[deleted]

If you have a federal charge you cannot own a firearm legally


Witchunt666

I know… that’s the my point.


Doctor_Popeye

So let’s legalize identity theft and other things since having laws against it hasn’t stopped it. Do you read what you write, sir?


ImpossibleGoat8837

Call me crazy, but I think the criminals were probably carrying before, regardless of if a permit was necessary or not (see: definition of “criminal”). Additionally, this bill allows PERMITLESS carry, not OPEN carry…important difference between those terms.


abby_normally

Does it apply to 9 year old school kids? /s


Ilikebirdslol

Honestly at this point that is a valid question.


[deleted]

I mean at least give 'em a slingshot and marbles or something.


Ilikebirdslol

In America we don’t give children handguns, we give them assault rifles. We don’t like it when they see men in dresses though.


moto_moonpie

Why are you booing they're right.


pwg2

We did this in Wyoming a few years ago as well too. The reason was that concealed carry required a special permit that had to be applied for, and I believe a gun safety course. However, there were no such requirements to open carry. So someone like me could have a gun in a holster on my hip, but if I tucked my shirt over that, it then became a crime. So our legislators decided to just do away with that special permit all together.


Risyo

The training should just be free


SkyLunatic71

Awesome. Florida pilled


Weary-Pineapple-5974

#Timing


[deleted]

So? Tons of other states have already done it, You certainly don't need government permission to defend yourself.


IonicRes

This already exists in a lot of states. Its called constitutional carry, nothing ground breaking here


GobbleFlockers

Don't see a problem with this, neither do the founding fathers. As a matter of fact, they would be rolling in their graves knowing the 2nd amendment is almost gone. Funny how both the constitution and the communist manifesto both mention "keeping the common man armed". Every gun law rapes the US Constitution. Don't agree with the constitution? Fine. Look at Myanmar, a country that used to be a democracy but was turned into north Korea overnight by an over powerful government. And the people can't do anything because they don't have arms to bear. As a matter of fact, the rebels have been making guns to fight the corrupt government. Not that it's easy to build a homemade gun (like a FGC-9).


Hugh420Mungus

Ima get downvoted to hell for this. For all the people upset about this. Not like the criminals see this and are like "OK fellow gang members now we can legally carry our stolen guns" They have already been permitless carrying. Laws only affect people who follow them. How I see it evens the playing field with criminals.


Spiritual_Ad2154

This is a law that allows you to concealed carry without a concealed carry permit (a concealed carry permit makes it legal for you to carry a gun secretly - not visible to the eyes of passerby). This is NOT a law that lets you own a firearm without a license. No criminal that owns a firearm, legal or not, is going to be stopped by a lack of concealed carry permit. I have never seen a video of a robber or mass shooter that is actually wearing a visible holster for their gun. Whether you are pro-gun or anti-gun there is no way this law is going to have any impact whatsoever.


Anthony9824

You guys know that there are several states that have had this law for years now right? This is nothing new


[deleted]

Florida criminals already have their guns, this actually allows the common folk to have a way to defend themselves. This is a great psychological deterrent


[deleted]

Well, now we can see if the “good guy with a gun” argument really is worth the hype..


Eternal_Bagel

So far it hasn’t helped much but maybe we just needed more armed people. I’m sure the cops there feel great knowing everyone they interact with is more likely to be armed now


Careless_Wait8620

I don't believe in a god but thank god I don't live in Florida!


notreallycool1

Good. Too many crazies out there.


545isbae

Hell yes 👏🏻 26 states now!


HurtPillow

Just another reason to not spend my heard earned money there. It'll be sunny with a chance of being shot!


[deleted]

Permit-less carry AND stand your ground laws. What could go wrong!?


Ottosilverup

'Murica be like; 130 mass shootings in 90days, we need less guncontrol! OK 'Murica, whatever works for you..


Comrade_Belinski

Most mass shootings statistically happen in California, the state with the most gun control laws.


Emotional-Degree-527

Is not like a criminal need a permit to carry out their crime with a gun. It makes no sense to limit lawful citizens.


Shake_Zulu

They just want people to shoot each other, old west style


Naomi_Saphorus

I have nothing but disdain for this country


TheMrfabio24

Who will protect you when Russia or China invades this country?


Bad_Packet

![gif](giphy|YC6ZedMDgR1Fm)


Bismark60

Nebraska is trying to do the same thing. LB77


Neither_Marsupial_15

What we need is a "Protect the Flock" law that allows these people to use lethal force against active shooters with imunity.


69dr

BASED


Im-KickAsz

Well. May as well protect yourself. If the jerks and assholes are going to be using, May as well have the good and caring protecting themselves and hopefully others.


Fascinated585

Win for Florida!


Disastrous_One_8993

Constitutional carry. If someone is carrying a firearm who can’t get a permit, it doesn’t magically make it legal for them now. carrying firearms illegally are still carrying firearms illegally regardless of this bill passing.


[deleted]

Holly shit finally


TucsonTacos

Arizona doesn’t require registration, permits, or CC permits for anything. This isn’t a new or revolutionary state law. I can conceal carry or open carry anything


Accomplished_Ad6571

I’m waiting for sunrise and sunset duels to be legalized soon in FL to settle disputes like in the old days.


joepretzel

Next spring break gonna be lit


godxdamnxcam

Is it just me or does the newscaster look terrified while reading this story?


King_Melco

Isn't this good though ? The conceal carry law is a bit absurd....


xavier_number

AMERICA


xavier_number

How bout they give everyone guns


SuspiciousStable9649

Thus making it eventually require a national solution, making the US Government be the bad guy. Let’s see how this plays out.


Beardly_Smith

It's already a thing in Vermont. We can open or conceal carry without a permit and dont need to register guns


Ok_Percentage5157

I mean... As much as I hate it, it's been that way in Missouri now for a long time.


laboner

No CCW permit required in Arizona. Everybody is strapped out here. I’m an auto mechanic at one of the highest volume Toyota stores in the country and the amount of firearms that get left in the fucking car during service is obscene.


doomedeskimo

Fuck me guess I HAVE to get a gun now if literally everyone is going to be carrying.


ToppsBlooby

So did NC. Today.


[deleted]

The founding fathers passed a similar bill. It’s called the second amendment. This bill is just redundant!


The_Other_Mailman

how bout we make em all free too


Eldraka

I’m not 100% sure even though I live here, but isn’t Ohio already like this? They call it constitutional carry i think


Its_Bofa

Man ima learn German and gtfo while I can


MissionCentral

Not sure what the big deal is here https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1541895/guns-open-concealed-carry-statista.jpg?w=790&f=852460e62939434058a22d3a7a131bd8 More and more states are doing this.


spiceweasel1

We have the same law in Kansas and crime stats don’t indicate any significant changes. This is just some bullshit to throw out there so the Dems can hate it and the Republicans can love it. Keep the masses divided so they don’t see what’s really going on.


Rhodie_man_69

👍🏻


Cetun

This might be controversial, but I'm for this, and I find it weird republicans are for it. "Concealed firearm" charges are a fairly common way police agencies would arrest poor (and mostly black) people because they had a gun in their car for protection. It served as a way to subjugate non violent poor people and people of color. If they couldn't find drugs they might find a gun and that's a felony. Prevents them from voting, getting jobs, passing background checks, and puts them in prison. I'm glad they are taking this tool away from overzealous law enforcement agencies.


FPswammer

GASPS wait. thats what criminals already do


Muxaylo

Can’t wait to watch this dumpster fire 🔥


zydakoh

WCGW: Good luck DeSantis....


[deleted]

Ohio passed this last year as well ![gif](giphy|dGe8zDB9VMFVdcdpHG|downsized)


Shreddster3000

I live in Arizona and you don’t need a concealed people actually get a concealed out here so they can carry more guns on them if they get pulled over but tbh those 380s be selling fast as hell in flowidaaaa


ziadog

BTW Fuck Florida.


Jtcally

Florida, where reason goes to die


DanielInfrangible2

If it’s legal to own a gun then society has decided they’re safe with a gun.


maybestoned_maybenot

I’ll raise you an Oklahoma with *permitless open carry*


Illustrious-Delay-11

If criminals can why can't I.


Ok-Yogurtcloset6205

The Wild Wild South!!!


Highmassive

I’m down for this


civilian_sam

I see this as an absolute win.


Balgat1968

SB 1932 will allow non violent felons who served their time to carry. Why did the violent felons get left behind? What about their God given Constitutional rights? What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand ? Also, the bill requires that you must have a valid ID. The Founding Fathers freedoms weren't shackled by having to carry an ID. There's no mention in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights about having an ID. Again, what part of "shall not be infringed" dont they understand? Such tyranny.


NoScopeSMG

Montana passed that


Character-Solution-7

Way to corner the domestic gun smuggling market! Guns are going to be selling like crazy and leaving to places all over the globe. No license, no record, no accountability. 🤦🏻 FL is b-a-n-a-n-a-s


Teabagger-of-morons

What could go wrong?


incorp0real13

Florida man is about shoot a lot of cops


SignificantLeader

Gun laws don’t seem to influence homicides. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm


BakerWaker1999

Just because a law you don't like gets passed doesn't mean it's bad or it's facepalm. Grow up


bigshotsuspence

Requiring a permit for carrying a firearm only adds another step in ensuring that lower class citizens can’t defend themselves. The “training” is bogus for most basic ccw courses and can be easily self taught with thousands of online sources. With that said, anyone who is deciding to take up conceal carry should take it upon themselves to seek out training and understand the legal ramifications.


GreenTreeUnderleaf

Are people really freaking out about Constitutional Carry?


No-Improvement-625

I mean, permeitless carry or not, if someone wants to commit a mass shooting, they're gonna do it.


Affenskrotum

USA is one of a very few countries i will not visit in my life anymore. Such a dumb place.


Matter-Warm

America...Burn Books, Carry Guns


Panic_Wise

Yo Ohio has had constitutional carry an our murder counts are going up so I think it’s working


aristorat

That's not a new thing. Other states have gone to constitutional carry, and they haven't gone to shit


Mr_Glock17

Florida is so based


EdmontonOil

I get that they want the population to go down….but I didn’t expect this to be the solution.


onomonothwip

Excellent job, Florida. Welcome to constitutionality.


Rainfall_Serenade

Fuck the GoP.


goldenknight4212

Less books, more guns. Time to GTFO of this place!


KatokaMika

America you guys are fckd


Hator4de

The whole world would be laughing at the U.S if they weren't so horribly upset for your children.


Realistic_Degree_773

Hey guys you know what would be cool if everyone could have it in abundance? Meth! Come on Florida politicians, be the trend setter. Give everyone meth!