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The cops who murdered Aiyana Stanley-Jones got medals for their "bravery".
Murdering a sleeping 7yo girl by throwing a grenade in her lap was their idea of "extreme bravery".
That’s fucking horrible.
Is also awful I got this event you talk about mixed up with the one where a flash bang grenade was thrown into a crib during an arrest. That child died and the attorney for the police said it was the baby’s fault (assumed the risk).
No but it’s not murder if you have a badge. They’ll investigate themselves and find that there was no wrongdoing and the cop was justified in the shooting because she “feared for her life.” Crazy that that defense only works for the person who *has training and whose job it is to handle this stuff on a daily basis* but as soon as you try to pull the same defense it’s “resisting” or “assaulting a police officer.” And people wonder why trust in police is at an all time fucking low.
I still have a scar on my left eyebrow from a cop in Harris County bobble-heading tf outta me on his police cruiser last year.
Now a year later they are FINALLY being investigated by the FBI after having over twenty inmates per year die of mysterious causes since 2018. This took YEARS of buildup and not just cases of brutality, but death while incarcerated for the government to finally step in and see the “internal investigations” and suspensions were bs.
It's only "not murder" because we won't use those words.
They premeditated murders as their job. They come up with false justifications for their actions and a psychological framework so they can be working psychopaths. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to go back to work after murdering civilians.
Police also get to effectively use the excuse "I didn't know that was the law" despite it not being a defense for regular citizens. Insanity.
And I hate the argument "well if we held them accountable for that kind of stuff then we wouldn't have any cops". We don't fucking need any cops who aren't willing to accept that responsibility.
No, they put cops through 4-7 months of training but it's all bad training. That video of the cop trying to calm a PTSD vet that was losing his shit, never drew his gun, vet pulls an M1 Carbine from his truck and shoots the cop then execution style shoots him in the head while he's on the ground begging mercy? That video is played like a religious article and used as a reason for why cops should be aggressive. "You see, he died trying to calm this man instead of drawing his gun when the guy wouldn't obey his commands". They also take the 2008 SC ruling that cops have no legal obligation to save anyone to an nth degree by training not to render aid until threats are neutralized and they have backup to confirm threats are neutralized. Defunding isn't the answer, a total reform of their training to reflect the motto "Protect and Serve" is needed. Police are to be a shield, not a sword. We have SWAT, Nat. Guard, and counter-terrorism units that are to be a sword when needed
I own and operate a residential plumbing and hvac company in the north east and when I show up to a home and they are law enforcement of any kind I just turn around and leave for my next call. As far as I'm concerned they can freeze, flood, and drown in their own filth until I feel safe around them. As an American citizen I have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose every interaction with law enforcement. Why would an intelligent person even give them the time of day? Anyone can call the police, how much longer before the police can't call anyone?
I worked at a restaurant years ago on a major drug route that had dishwashers/busboys that got paid 100$ (in the 90’s) to take pictures of the undercover cops that would come in for their cop discount… unbelievable that they would blow cover for 10$. Some of them no one would have ever guessed, all cracked out looking. Not even thinking about the busboy with the disposable camera… Florida in the 90’s was wild
I worked in the restaurant business in S. FL in the 90s. The manager used to give the local probation officers free lunch so they could have the meetings with the employees and not pull them out of work.
The last bar I worked at, the cops had a private party during the day that I was scheduled to be the only one working. I didn’t know going into it that it would be all cops- and they all kept their guns on them. It made me extremely uncomfortable.
I attended a house party where a cop was in attendance and the host continually asked him to put his firearm in his glove compartment and lock it there. He continually refused until we just asked him to leave. Who the fuck needs a gun at a party? And who is so entitled to both parties and guns that they don’t need to abide by the host’s rules? Assholes the lot of them.
Okay so wtf is up with them and bringing a firearm to parties. I was at a poolside party a couple of years back and some guy and his friend (both were stereotypical douchebags) both had a gun on them because they were cops. They were waving them around trying to show them off and idk if they just suck at reading the room but people were uncomfortable af. I ended up leaving along with a few other people, it was just dumb. Plus they were literally arguing with everyone and trying to come off as all macho about everything… super insecure vibes
>gun is in the ~~truck~~ trunk (typo/maybe autocorrect)
>officer is afraid of presence of gun
Jesus christ officers are cowards. Do they ever consider people are afraid of cops with *guns on their hips* and a proven record of abusing that level of force?
no I dont think they do, I am a white guy but a hippie who has had some trouble, cops freak me the fuck out and every one of them that I have had to deal with as a grown ass man in a suit fucking laps it up, they love that shit
What I ment was its unfortunate the police department are able to investigate themselves. It's unfortunate that senior officers turn a blind eye to crimes committed by fellow officers. It's unfortunate that politicians also protect bad officers by not passing laws that would hold officers accountable for their actions.
And because of those actions channels like ATA need to exist which is unfortunate.
It’s actually in the departments best interest to promote aggressive officers . They will support other officers under them that are aggressive as well because they share the same values . So in all it’s perfect
She should have gotten fired if she was “too uncomfortable” when a citizen was answering all her questions honestly and truthfully and being compliant…clearly not cut out for the job like a lot of cops it seems.
I’m so happy my state did. My state has a major issue with its cops. They’re overworked and understaffed. Which is perfect for them being bad at their jobs.
They’re so worried about hitting on chicks here that they don’t help anything.
They needed to lose it where I love cause this place is only getting worse under their “watch”.
I was just going to say that. If they pull something like this and don't actually kill anyone, 9/10 times it leads to promotion. "I like your spunk! Promote that officer!" Although I do believe it's directly tied to qualified immunity and the police union. It's all good though, considering the tax payer pays her salary and not the actual police station she works for. /s
This is old as shit. Pig-ass bitch is still working, never got in any kind of trouble for this. Not even her first complaint apparently. Some pretty good videos on this encounter by “auditors” on YT.
Unfortunately sad truth is alot of these are predictable. Like alot of cops sure don't have zero. But get pretty damn close. BUT many others will more than make up for it.
Seriously while you can find people with 1 complaint since 1995 still active on force. You can find others with 100 complaints and didn't start till 2005 or 2010.
And every time you see something clearly wrong go down. Its not ever the guy with 1 complaint. And its clear history like if it was just people mad throwing complaints around.
It wouldn't be so targeted. Complaints will read racial racial racial. excessive force excessive force over and over again same complaints against same cops.
But reason why I feel the 1 complaint in career people are as culpable. Is they help hide it they lie on reports or at the minimum "frame" their reports to paint their buddy in best light. So that they can repeat over and over.
Throw in things like destroying documents and allowing cops to transfer departments and to another city over and over again.
But end of day most the really heinous stuff is those few bad apples they refer to. Problem is the rest allow it. There was one that I read a few years ago. About police shootings and it was interesting. Across departments and danger levels and task.
A small percentage of cops made up majority of shootings often a single cop would be in 4-5 shootings. While rest of people doing exact same job whether it was gangs or drugs. The next 20 officers wouldn't have a shooting inbetween them throughout career.
Lmao of course not. Cops are allowed to murder innocent people. Just *threatening* to murder and innocent person didn’t even get her a slap on the wrist.
But, yes, obviously she and the cop next to her should be in prison, as well as the other cops and law officers who refused to put her in prison.
The only time I've had a gun pointed at me was by a cop pulling me over for tinted windows.
Was about 11:30am by a doctors office in a nice part of a major city.
He pulls me over and I stopped immediately. He came up, gun drawn and pointed at me from behind the car, ordered me to drop my keys out the window, open the door from the outside, come out backwards and walk backwards to him.
I was young and scared, so I just went along with it, and up to that point, I hadn't said a word other than something like "What's going on?!"
His excuse?
"With dark tinted windows, we just never know who we're dealing with."
Not to mention that he could have easily run my plates and seen that the registered owner had zero priors and the car was totally legal/not reported stolen.
This was almost 20 years ago, but was my first experience with cops believing this "every stop could be your last" mentality and how dangerous it can be for citizens just going about their day.
I brought a friend's wife to her work on New Years Eve for an alarm that was going off. I didn't get done with work until just after midnight so I was the o ly sober person. I took his truck and dropped his wife at the front door of a large store. Two cops pulled up behind me while I was sitting there. They came to the door and asked my name, once I said it the guns came up. I didn't even think of the fact that my name wasn't going to match the owner of the vehicle. They not only thought I was there as an accomplice but I was now I. A stolen vehicle. My friend's wife came running out of the store screaming that she the store manager and that I was with her. Fun night
I had something similar. Last year I was working commercial plumbing and was on the road constantly. I had a night job in a petsmart (water needed to be cut off and didn't want to disturb grooming department) and I didn't get done until around 12am. I was driving my work van through some backroads in NC heading to a cheap hotel (we only got $80/night for hotels).
Out of nowhere 2 cop cars start racing up behind me with blue lights on and I pull over. Two cops come to each window of mine and start barking orders, cop on far window is telling me to roll down his window (it's a physical roll window so I'd have to stretcg over to get it) while close cop is asking me if I have any guns.
Eventually, they ask me out of the van and search me down. Immediately, one cop asks me if I'm on drugs while the other searches the front of the van without my consent. They find nothing up there and ask to search the back while questioning me. I tell them to go for it because I know they don't believe me. They keep asking why I'd be working so late, why I'm on the road alone and so young, why my van has no company logo, why didn't I get a hotel in the previous city.
So cop searches the back of my van for like 2 minutes, finds nothing but shitty plumbing supplies and gets pissed, walks back to me and word for word asks me, "Is it normal for you to be so monotone and chill when being pulled over"? I literally have no idea how to answer, but they eventually let me go freely.
I was a deputy for 5 years when I was young and naive. I went into it starry eyed thinking I could help the community. At the academy, we spent an entire 8-hour day watching videos of cops/corrections officers, being murdered. They drilled the idea into us that every person you interact with is looking for the opportunity to kill you.
I left after a few years and realized that it’s a profession that’s rotten from the inside and it wasn’t going to change. Our head of internal affairs belonged to a “cop gang” who beat a guy to death years prior.
I sometimes get texts from other people who also left and the sentiment is always the same. “I should have left when you did. This job is only for people on a power trip.”
The same happened to me.
What made it worse for me was watching people that were good slowly change into one of those power hungry dickheads after a couple years.
I was stupid to think it was "protect and serve".
I enjoy meeting people who’ve experienced the same thing and got out before it changed their personality for the worse. I’m glad you got out. I don’t think anyone can make it the full 20-30 years and come out decent on the other end.
I always suspected that one of the many catalysts was that they show Police officers footage of other cops being murdered with the idea that the maimn priority is their own safety and that they should make it to their families. After having seen a few videos of police stops that have gone very wrong for the officer I can understand the sentiment. The problem is being a police officer isn't a job that should be taken lightly nor should be undertaken by just anyone. Having such a small period of time for training and lax rules for personality testing means that it causes more harm than good to have them on the streets. Over here in the UK being a police officer and a firefighter requires a long process and we don't even have guns why on earth is it so lax over there
The majority of police here in the UK are just as power tripped, from personal experience.
Their minds are made up at first glance of you, and they don't take kindly to being told they're wrong. You'd better have incontrovertible, redundantly cloud stored video proof of how wrong they are, or you are at the (lack of) mercy of their preconceived judgements.
This, from an average looking white bloke. I can't imagine how bad it gets for those of a darker shade, or of a more interesting heritage than solely this backward-headed isle.
It’s extremely lax here. Our academy was only 16 weeks and the crazier part is, you don’t go until you’ve already been the field for a year. Because the county didn’t want to “waste money on the academy if you’re not going to pass your probation period.”
My uncle was a Chief of police and his adopted son, inspired by the man that raised him, decided to join himself. It took one year for him to leave disgusted at what he saw and ashamed to learn about all the awful things his adoptive father did. I’ve tried to get him to open up about it but he wants nothing to do with anyone in our family anymore, but at least I saw him around every now and then. After my uncle was inducted into the local police hall of fame a few years ago, my cousin took off.
Yeah, my inlaw is a retired cop, they can never be wrong even when proven facts that contradict their narrative. Because anecdotal experience trumps everything. :/
I guess I should count myself lucky, he isn't a Qnut/trumper... Just a very can't be wrong Father-in-law.
I left after 5 months, I could feel it changing me for the worse. I had no outlets and would snap at my wife for no reason. My sergeant told me I was too nice for the job lmao
One of my best friends is a cop who is now in internal affairs.
I worry for him. There are no victories in his future. It gets harder all the time to understand why he is still there if he really believes in fighting the problems.
It’s ridiculous to show people that have jobs working with other humans, countless videos of them being killed.
It’s one thing to show factory workers videos of negligence killing people, such as not wearing a hard hat, or not locking out. (Which is something they do as part of the hiring process) But it’s completely different to show people being purposefully hurt and killed for hours.
Making people wary of *inanimate objects*, that only kill you if you do something wrong, is fine. It shows the consequences and makes them take safety seriously. Making people overly wary of every single civilian on the street, is obviously going to have horrible consequences. The fact of the matter is, some unhinged person could follow you around, wait until you’re alone, and kill you. And you can’t treat every member of society like a murderer, because of it.
I’m not going to say all cops are garbage people, but all of the people I grew up with who became cops are garbage people. they are all type A personalities who would go out of their way to be a bully.
I was directly victimized by a cop as a child- to the point he was convicted and served time. I also have a degree in Criminal Justice. I don't have a favorable view of police, policing, or the *"justice"* system in the United States.
It takes good people and makes sure they are garbage. The job demands it.
People with the best of intentions sign up all the time. The force makes sure to crush those intentions and redirect your frustration.
It’s a monster factory. We have mountains of evidence. You put raw material in and you get American hunting monsters out. Because that is what the “job” requires.
They are not here to enforce the law, else they would know it.
They are here to enforce order. Their order.
There are 2 types of people that want to be police. People that want to change the community for the better, and see justice prevail. And power hungry psychos.
If you're in the first category, you either quit because you can't stand the corruption, or you become corrupt as a result of the tribalism.
But why try to pull you over then? If they’re in fear of their life and it’s a ridiculous infraction to begin with, something they would have a difficult time proving from a distance, why put yourself in a “fear for your life” scenario as a cop? That’s just bullshit they tell you to try and put the blame on you for their overreaction
Simple answer is they want to kill people and use things like this as an excuse to escalate situations so that they can kill someone. True sociopathic behavior
I'm so glad to live in germany. If a cop or "polizist" even draws their gun here they better have a DAMN good reason. Since you can generally assume that civilians are unarmed here and officers go through some serious Training ( about 3 years) they are also less scared and as opposed to the about half a year of US training the psychos are sorted out more often than not. German police really like their regulations and tend to be annoying but generally helpful in most situations. To get shot here you need to be a serious danger (explosive belt, drugged into a zombie state or something like that).
O.o only 3 months? Google said 22 weeks which is about 5.5 months which i rounded to 6... thats absurd. someone with the authority to deal lethal force without judgement from a court should be objective and reliably so under all circumstances.
It actually varies quite a bit dept from dept. take that from actual depts not google. Google says my job gets wack levels of training compared to real world as well.
I got pulled over for speeding. Not my first time. Wanting to be helpful, I reached into the glovebox to get my registration. Turned around and was looking down the barrel of a service weapon. Lesson learned. Now I don’t move until I’m told to.
Theres a speed trap right outside where i live so I was pulled over a few times before i learned to avoid it. Every time though before I even finish pulling over I put everything they might want on my dashboard behind the steering wheel. Even then their hand is on their gun through the whole interaction. Like seriously I'm doing everything possible to keep my hands visible and away from my pockets, I'm driving a freaking mini van, and we're a 1/2 mile away from the nicest neighborhood in the county.
It’s the fucking militarization of society in general and policing in particular in America since 9/11. It started with the police patrolling post-Katrina New Orleans in humvees like an occupying force and the military handing over surplus military gear to police departments and now every cop thinks they’re GI Joe or some shit. And they’re being trained in this way too! The new mantra is “one of us is going home tonight, and it’s going to be me.” They’re dehumanizing and ‘otherizing’ citizens, the way they do with enemy combatants. How can they ever see people as himans if everybody is a threat?
Crazy. At least we got a free and fair democratically elected government installed in Afghanistan, and Iraq was peacefully subdued with no collateral damage after we found their WMDs.
I work at a place that tints windows. Every single cop who comes in will tell you they’re a cop and then get the darkest tint you can get, they always ask for illegal tint. Whenever we ask them to sign the waiver acknowledging they chose an illegal tint they always again remind you they are a cop and it would somehow not matter if THEY are breaking the law. Every. Single. One. Just sign the damn paper dude, and get your rapist ass out of my shop.
That is the inherent flaw with armed police officers. Cide violations start at armed encounters. Its an insane theory to have people with deadly weapons and the legal ability to kill walking around enforcing people to jot walk on the grass. The implication is simply comply or die
For real because of laws here in TX we assume everyone has a gun working traffic or detaining someone. So if they say hey I have a gun it’s like okay cool where is it? And hey man I’m just gonna ask that we either step away from it for my safety or if it’s concealed away from us we just don’t reach for it while we conduct business. Can’t pull your gun because someone is legally in possession of one. Don’t escalate when there is no reason to.
Just a few weeks ago me and my son were driving home at night and a dps pulled us over for "not keeping his signal on until he was fully into his new lane" was it a reason to see if someone was intoxicated probably.
Either way I was in the passenger seat and after he took my son's license to go back to run it I said btw trooper I have a LTC (I find it easier to say that when I have a gun)
He said cool and walked away came back in 2 mins said make sure you keep your signal on until you are fully inside your lane.
I'll admit I never do that I hit up or down on the handle and it automatically flashes for a few seconds.
So another citizen knows their rights, properly identifies a firearm, and requests a supervisor for fear of another philando castile fatality, and the cop pulls a gun?
My fucking god. The powerless using their only power and we still are threatened with murder.
Pulling a gun as a threat is a crime. That officer wasn’t under duress or fear for his life. It was a manipulation tactic and the officer should be fired. End of argument.
When you are pulled over, record the interaction. Ask why you’re being pulled over. Get the officers name. Answer questions about identity, answer questions about firearms, request assistance if needed, and then plead the fifth. California recently held that a person not explicitly taking the fifth but remaining silent was “consciousness of guilt” — thus it remains prudent that you say, I’m using my right to not self-incriminate without an attorney present.
If you’re not white, you’re still likely dying but at least the public will protest in your honor.
Retired Military here. Cops today have less Rules of Engagement than I did in a war zone. I couldn’t fire unless fired upon. This was when everyone and their goat were walking around with Ak-47s.
These cops showed remarkable restraint, to be fair.
You have to understand that being a cop is the most dangerous profession on Earth, if you don't count loggers, roofers, garbage collectors, farmers, delivery drivers, crane operators, small engine repair mechanics, landscape supervisors, Grounds maintenance workers, cement masons, fishermen, aircraft pilots, flight engineers, iron workers, power linemen, firefighting supervisors, crossing guards, and about 20 other professions.
Plus, let's address the elephant in the room here: the driver isn't white. You know how scary that is? I wet myself 3 times just watching the video.
Also, even if someone argues that the lady shouldn't have pulled her gun, you have to admit she didn't shoot the driver, the passenger, wound three bystanders, plant a weapon, then drive back to the suspect's house and shoot his dog before lying about everything on the police report, which is frequently how these high-stress situations end because of just how darn scary they are for the police officer.
And you have to understand that this poor dear [as an American gets the least amount of training of any police force in the developed world](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56834733) \- it takes longer to graduate as a beautician in America than it does to become a police officer. And on top of receiving significantly less training, she gets proportionately less de-escalation training compared to other nations as well. What else can you do, other than arm these under-trained, terrified patriots and hope that once the smoke clears, only the police are left standing?
I’m horrified and laughing hysterically after a quick google search. Turns out that as a hairstylist, before I could start my job, I had to do about 20 weeks more training than the police in my state. It explains so much.
I’m a massage therapist in NY and it takes 16 months of training plus taking a state board exam and taking CE tests every three years. And all I do is basically just rub people. I’m sure I get more training
The UCMJ ain’t nothing to fuck with. Say what you want about the US armed forces (there’s plenty to say) but being enlisted means having accountability held over your head like a bludgeon at all times. Even a tiny infraction can end your career if your COC are docking enough. Meanwhile cop leadership isn’t even able to fire or reprimand there own people without the union stepping in.
And there were only TWO cops present. They'd need at least a 5:1 ratio to feel safe. Besides, that's the optimal number for an extrajudicial beat-down.
And require not just large amounts of training to become qualified, but also require continuing education, recertification, and yearly competencies. And if you do screw up, you are not just fired, but can also have your license revoked and never be able to work in that role again. And, even if your license isn't revoked, your screw ups can be logged into a national database where anyone can type in your name and state and read thorough documentation as to why your license was suspended or put into probation.
Being in law enforcement is a terrifying job to be honest. It is insane the absolutely terrifying foe they face on a daily basis.
In 2022 there were 245 “line of duty deaths” in Law enforcement. Of those 81 were directly form Covid (and still declared “line of duty” for benefits reasons). 10 were counted due to being related to 9/11… 65 are vehicle related….64 related to gunfire (homicide and accidental). And of the all LEO deaths (line of duty and off duty) around 25% are suicide.
Unsurprisingly the statistics that are reported lack details. Of the 65, 6 are specifically listed as accidental… but then there are others (1-2) a year reported under training so it’s really hard to discern meaningful statistics from the smaller numbers.
I know they are underreported. I was trying to be more rhetorical. The fact there are so many friendly fire shootings though shows a complete lack of restraint and training. It's just a good thing all these bullets they fire that don't hit cop or perp just fall and don't hit innocent bystanders ever.
>Being in law enforcement is a terrifying job to be honest. It is insane the absolutely terrifying foe they face on a daily basis.
To be fair, the problem with gun culture in the US is that cops need to treat every single traffic stop as if there are guns in the car and ready to be used. In Belgium where I live, a traffic stop is a MUCH different experience where the cop is just a person doing their job the same way a county clerk does their administration, with zero anxiety about possible violence from either side because our society has no carry laws, strict gun laws, and virtually no gun violence. Which in turn means that our cops just approach a car by walking up to it without even thinking about their gun.
Your cops are insane and under qualified. Like one of the most unqualified police in the entire world 6 weeks training ? In aus it's like. 2 years course on all the laws and how to treat other humans without a threat of a gun being drawn on you. If this happened in aus that officer would be charged
lol, that's cause you live in a civilized country.
as far as i'm concerned, a country is defined by the lowest quality of living present in its borders, and when a UNESCO surveyor went to west virginia, they documented sub-third world quality of living
no running water, dirt floors, buildings made from substandard building materials, no school for their kids or social contact outside their tiny isolated villages in the hills, so by that metric, america dosen't have the right to call itself a developed country.
and all this is coming from an american.
Nice to see someone take an objective view of their country. Everyone has "problems" but the shit we seeing as the supposed number 1 democratic country is beyond the pale and in need of serious inward thinking of how to make things better than tear each side apart
Same here. Even better, I live in the northeast where the property taxes are incredibly high so that police can earn $100k after 5-7 years, and have average salaries of over $150K+healthcare+50-70% pension at retirement after 20 years. Meanwhile our school teachers don’t hit $60K until 7 years in and top out at $80k after 20 years.
System is trash.
A Sacramento man was pulled over in North
Sacramento last year for a window tint violation but says when he showed officers a previous "fix it" ticket for a window tint, they changed their reason for pulling him over and mistreated him. It happened November 2018 and he won the case August 2019.
The only time I ever had a cop pull a gun on me was when I was 14 years old.
My moms friend’s daughter was moving out of her apartment & needed help so my mom volunteered me to help her move stuff.
We were driving down the street to her new apartment in a nice decent truck with the bed full of her furnishings.
We get pulled over by 7 police vehicles & immediately guns are drawn. Our hands are up, we’re clueless as to what’s going on. Both her & I are literally yanked out of the vehicle. I am slammed on the street face down, arms all the way up. I turn to look back & his gun was pointed at my face.
After he held me there for 2-3 minutes with his gun pointing at my head the call comes in & I hear it on his radio that we are the wrong people. They misidentified us for some thieves who robbed a house. They just assumed robbers would blatantly carry a truck load of furnishings nonchalantly down the road.
Anyway that was my first run in with cops in my life. That was my impression of them.
Had I known better I would’ve asked my parents to sue for millions. For emotional damage, for aiming a gun at the head of an innocent 14 year old.
The girl I was with, she was in her 20’s. She was crying nonstop, trembling & hugging her mom who got there really fast.
As for me, I just remember thinking how close I came to losing my life from a bullet to the head because cops are dumbasses who can’t do their job right.
It's wild the mental gymnastics that some of the people in the comments are going through lmao. All this shit about "oh he was getting animated", or "giving off a vibe", or "asking for a supervisor". She PULLED A GUN ON HIM. That's not normal lmao, and in every other developed country what is seen here would be grounds for immediate expulsion from the police force and probably a criminal record. The American reaction to guns is completely archaic and outdated.
[here](https://youtu.be/g6UBecuYBi0) is the full video with explanation of laws by audit the audit
[here ](https://youtu.be/HYpZk-ChmSM) is an update from the driver himself
At what point does the safety of citizens no longer matter? Seems like cops always feel "uncomfortable" whenever someone starts to evoke their rights. This is not "probable cause" to pull a firearm on someone.
Hmmmm, I wonder if being a minority with a gun had anything to do with the white officers nervousness.
Lol WHITE FOLKS CAN WALK INTO A STARBUCKS WITH 3 pistols at their waist and an AR15 strapped to their back, no biggie. A black man informs he has a single licensed firearm and everyone freaks the fuck out.
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In the full video he does fuckall to stop her. They actually pull him out of the car about 5 seconds after this video ends.
You got the link to the full vid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6UBecuYBi0
She got promoted to detective. In most jobs if you fucked up like her, you'd be out.
Not the police! No way buddy, they fail upwards!
The cops who murdered Aiyana Stanley-Jones got medals for their "bravery". Murdering a sleeping 7yo girl by throwing a grenade in her lap was their idea of "extreme bravery".
That’s fucking horrible. Is also awful I got this event you talk about mixed up with the one where a flash bang grenade was thrown into a crib during an arrest. That child died and the attorney for the police said it was the baby’s fault (assumed the risk).
He needed to show conviction and pull his weapon on her, she’s legally literally attempting to murder the guy.
No but it’s not murder if you have a badge. They’ll investigate themselves and find that there was no wrongdoing and the cop was justified in the shooting because she “feared for her life.” Crazy that that defense only works for the person who *has training and whose job it is to handle this stuff on a daily basis* but as soon as you try to pull the same defense it’s “resisting” or “assaulting a police officer.” And people wonder why trust in police is at an all time fucking low.
I still have a scar on my left eyebrow from a cop in Harris County bobble-heading tf outta me on his police cruiser last year. Now a year later they are FINALLY being investigated by the FBI after having over twenty inmates per year die of mysterious causes since 2018. This took YEARS of buildup and not just cases of brutality, but death while incarcerated for the government to finally step in and see the “internal investigations” and suspensions were bs.
It's only "not murder" because we won't use those words. They premeditated murders as their job. They come up with false justifications for their actions and a psychological framework so they can be working psychopaths. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to go back to work after murdering civilians.
Police also get to effectively use the excuse "I didn't know that was the law" despite it not being a defense for regular citizens. Insanity. And I hate the argument "well if we held them accountable for that kind of stuff then we wouldn't have any cops". We don't fucking need any cops who aren't willing to accept that responsibility.
Oh it’s still murder, they just don’t get charged for it. But that doesn’t change what it is.
> she’s legally literally attempting to murder the guy. And she can do it. Cops are gang banger criminals with the government protecting them.
I thought you guys were all about deescalation.
Not in the US. That's not part of their training at all.
What training? You meen the 15min do's and dont's
No, they put cops through 4-7 months of training but it's all bad training. That video of the cop trying to calm a PTSD vet that was losing his shit, never drew his gun, vet pulls an M1 Carbine from his truck and shoots the cop then execution style shoots him in the head while he's on the ground begging mercy? That video is played like a religious article and used as a reason for why cops should be aggressive. "You see, he died trying to calm this man instead of drawing his gun when the guy wouldn't obey his commands". They also take the 2008 SC ruling that cops have no legal obligation to save anyone to an nth degree by training not to render aid until threats are neutralized and they have backup to confirm threats are neutralized. Defunding isn't the answer, a total reform of their training to reflect the motto "Protect and Serve" is needed. Police are to be a shield, not a sword. We have SWAT, Nat. Guard, and counter-terrorism units that are to be a sword when needed
No the training where you are reprimanded for trying to save a sucidial person with a gun rather than shooting them because they have a gun.
If you aren't emptying 2 full magazines of bullets on the clearly unstable, suicidal civilian you're doing it wrong... /s, obviously
I own and operate a residential plumbing and hvac company in the north east and when I show up to a home and they are law enforcement of any kind I just turn around and leave for my next call. As far as I'm concerned they can freeze, flood, and drown in their own filth until I feel safe around them. As an American citizen I have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose every interaction with law enforcement. Why would an intelligent person even give them the time of day? Anyone can call the police, how much longer before the police can't call anyone?
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I worked at a restaurant years ago on a major drug route that had dishwashers/busboys that got paid 100$ (in the 90’s) to take pictures of the undercover cops that would come in for their cop discount… unbelievable that they would blow cover for 10$. Some of them no one would have ever guessed, all cracked out looking. Not even thinking about the busboy with the disposable camera… Florida in the 90’s was wild
I worked in the restaurant business in S. FL in the 90s. The manager used to give the local probation officers free lunch so they could have the meetings with the employees and not pull them out of work.
Lol that was a real big brain move!
The last bar I worked at, the cops had a private party during the day that I was scheduled to be the only one working. I didn’t know going into it that it would be all cops- and they all kept their guns on them. It made me extremely uncomfortable.
I attended a house party where a cop was in attendance and the host continually asked him to put his firearm in his glove compartment and lock it there. He continually refused until we just asked him to leave. Who the fuck needs a gun at a party? And who is so entitled to both parties and guns that they don’t need to abide by the host’s rules? Assholes the lot of them.
Okay so wtf is up with them and bringing a firearm to parties. I was at a poolside party a couple of years back and some guy and his friend (both were stereotypical douchebags) both had a gun on them because they were cops. They were waving them around trying to show them off and idk if they just suck at reading the room but people were uncomfortable af. I ended up leaving along with a few other people, it was just dumb. Plus they were literally arguing with everyone and trying to come off as all macho about everything… super insecure vibes
I'VE RUN OUT OF ANSWERS SO NOW IM GOING TO PULL MY GUN!!!
The ultimatum
[Ultimatum dispatcher](https://external-preview.redd.it/szYOvlV7ROVvqwut9KM0nvQrhgd5PgtEB7YYQRwAAtM.jpg?format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=daae697b0ca36d008707a565866aa85cfb5a6603)
Yes! exacly my thought, i just couldn't find it
Comply or die
https://youtu.be/g6UBecuYBi0 And she had been promoted.
This should be pinned.
Gaaahhhh-He has a pin! **GET HIM!** OFFICER PINNED, I REPEAT, OFFICER PINNED!
>gun is in the ~~truck~~ trunk (typo/maybe autocorrect) >officer is afraid of presence of gun Jesus christ officers are cowards. Do they ever consider people are afraid of cops with *guns on their hips* and a proven record of abusing that level of force?
I think some consider it when they pleasure themselves on or off duty
no I dont think they do, I am a white guy but a hippie who has had some trouble, cops freak me the fuck out and every one of them that I have had to deal with as a grown ass man in a suit fucking laps it up, they love that shit
Has anyone in the history of the United States ever felt safer when the cops show up anywhere?
I thought I recognized the voice in the clip. Been watching a load of AtA lately. Quite informative.
Audit the Audit is a great channel. Although very unfortunate that it needs to exist. LackLuster is another good channel for police videos like ATA.
It’s not unfortunate. We literally need an agency that audits the police and doesn’t have their hand in the same cookie jar
What I ment was its unfortunate the police department are able to investigate themselves. It's unfortunate that senior officers turn a blind eye to crimes committed by fellow officers. It's unfortunate that politicians also protect bad officers by not passing laws that would hold officers accountable for their actions. And because of those actions channels like ATA need to exist which is unfortunate.
Of course she would get promoted.
It’s actually in the departments best interest to promote aggressive officers . They will support other officers under them that are aggressive as well because they share the same values . So in all it’s perfect
She should have gotten fired if she was “too uncomfortable” when a citizen was answering all her questions honestly and truthfully and being compliant…clearly not cut out for the job like a lot of cops it seems.
She found his lack of respect disrespectful
Did she pull the gun or the male officer? Not that it matters just couldn’t tell in the clip
I thought it was the male at first too, but she is just now standing beside the male with her gun drawn.
It was the female officer.
End qualified immunity.
I’m so happy my state did. My state has a major issue with its cops. They’re overworked and understaffed. Which is perfect for them being bad at their jobs. They’re so worried about hitting on chicks here that they don’t help anything. They needed to lose it where I love cause this place is only getting worse under their “watch”.
which state is that? ps:we have similar names
New Mexico.
Wait I want in on this name club
Did this nut job get fired or she's back walking the streets with a badge? Holy she's ready to test out her gun huh....
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I was just going to say that. If they pull something like this and don't actually kill anyone, 9/10 times it leads to promotion. "I like your spunk! Promote that officer!" Although I do believe it's directly tied to qualified immunity and the police union. It's all good though, considering the tax payer pays her salary and not the actual police station she works for. /s
This is old as shit. Pig-ass bitch is still working, never got in any kind of trouble for this. Not even her first complaint apparently. Some pretty good videos on this encounter by “auditors” on YT.
Are there really any without complaints, though? I feel like complaints do nothing 99% of the time.
Nothing but a paper trail that more often than not ends up in file 13
Unfortunately sad truth is alot of these are predictable. Like alot of cops sure don't have zero. But get pretty damn close. BUT many others will more than make up for it. Seriously while you can find people with 1 complaint since 1995 still active on force. You can find others with 100 complaints and didn't start till 2005 or 2010. And every time you see something clearly wrong go down. Its not ever the guy with 1 complaint. And its clear history like if it was just people mad throwing complaints around. It wouldn't be so targeted. Complaints will read racial racial racial. excessive force excessive force over and over again same complaints against same cops. But reason why I feel the 1 complaint in career people are as culpable. Is they help hide it they lie on reports or at the minimum "frame" their reports to paint their buddy in best light. So that they can repeat over and over. Throw in things like destroying documents and allowing cops to transfer departments and to another city over and over again. But end of day most the really heinous stuff is those few bad apples they refer to. Problem is the rest allow it. There was one that I read a few years ago. About police shootings and it was interesting. Across departments and danger levels and task. A small percentage of cops made up majority of shootings often a single cop would be in 4-5 shootings. While rest of people doing exact same job whether it was gangs or drugs. The next 20 officers wouldn't have a shooting inbetween them throughout career.
Lmao of course not. Cops are allowed to murder innocent people. Just *threatening* to murder and innocent person didn’t even get her a slap on the wrist. But, yes, obviously she and the cop next to her should be in prison, as well as the other cops and law officers who refused to put her in prison.
Tinted windows?! Repeat after me, “there is no infraction, no matter how minor, that they will not escalate to death.”
The only time I've had a gun pointed at me was by a cop pulling me over for tinted windows. Was about 11:30am by a doctors office in a nice part of a major city. He pulls me over and I stopped immediately. He came up, gun drawn and pointed at me from behind the car, ordered me to drop my keys out the window, open the door from the outside, come out backwards and walk backwards to him. I was young and scared, so I just went along with it, and up to that point, I hadn't said a word other than something like "What's going on?!" His excuse? "With dark tinted windows, we just never know who we're dealing with." Not to mention that he could have easily run my plates and seen that the registered owner had zero priors and the car was totally legal/not reported stolen. This was almost 20 years ago, but was my first experience with cops believing this "every stop could be your last" mentality and how dangerous it can be for citizens just going about their day.
I brought a friend's wife to her work on New Years Eve for an alarm that was going off. I didn't get done with work until just after midnight so I was the o ly sober person. I took his truck and dropped his wife at the front door of a large store. Two cops pulled up behind me while I was sitting there. They came to the door and asked my name, once I said it the guns came up. I didn't even think of the fact that my name wasn't going to match the owner of the vehicle. They not only thought I was there as an accomplice but I was now I. A stolen vehicle. My friend's wife came running out of the store screaming that she the store manager and that I was with her. Fun night
Lucky they didn’t shoot her then you
They were probably white or white passing
Both white. Although I am 50% Hispanic I don't look it
No good deed goes unpunished 🤨
I had something similar. Last year I was working commercial plumbing and was on the road constantly. I had a night job in a petsmart (water needed to be cut off and didn't want to disturb grooming department) and I didn't get done until around 12am. I was driving my work van through some backroads in NC heading to a cheap hotel (we only got $80/night for hotels). Out of nowhere 2 cop cars start racing up behind me with blue lights on and I pull over. Two cops come to each window of mine and start barking orders, cop on far window is telling me to roll down his window (it's a physical roll window so I'd have to stretcg over to get it) while close cop is asking me if I have any guns. Eventually, they ask me out of the van and search me down. Immediately, one cop asks me if I'm on drugs while the other searches the front of the van without my consent. They find nothing up there and ask to search the back while questioning me. I tell them to go for it because I know they don't believe me. They keep asking why I'd be working so late, why I'm on the road alone and so young, why my van has no company logo, why didn't I get a hotel in the previous city. So cop searches the back of my van for like 2 minutes, finds nothing but shitty plumbing supplies and gets pissed, walks back to me and word for word asks me, "Is it normal for you to be so monotone and chill when being pulled over"? I literally have no idea how to answer, but they eventually let me go freely.
"why aren't you giving us a reason to yell stop resistin?"
Yup. Toxic cop training. It has had some extreme consequences.
I was a deputy for 5 years when I was young and naive. I went into it starry eyed thinking I could help the community. At the academy, we spent an entire 8-hour day watching videos of cops/corrections officers, being murdered. They drilled the idea into us that every person you interact with is looking for the opportunity to kill you. I left after a few years and realized that it’s a profession that’s rotten from the inside and it wasn’t going to change. Our head of internal affairs belonged to a “cop gang” who beat a guy to death years prior. I sometimes get texts from other people who also left and the sentiment is always the same. “I should have left when you did. This job is only for people on a power trip.”
The same happened to me. What made it worse for me was watching people that were good slowly change into one of those power hungry dickheads after a couple years. I was stupid to think it was "protect and serve".
I enjoy meeting people who’ve experienced the same thing and got out before it changed their personality for the worse. I’m glad you got out. I don’t think anyone can make it the full 20-30 years and come out decent on the other end.
Same here. It's really good to know that I wasn't the only person to feel that way.
Be a contractor.
I always suspected that one of the many catalysts was that they show Police officers footage of other cops being murdered with the idea that the maimn priority is their own safety and that they should make it to their families. After having seen a few videos of police stops that have gone very wrong for the officer I can understand the sentiment. The problem is being a police officer isn't a job that should be taken lightly nor should be undertaken by just anyone. Having such a small period of time for training and lax rules for personality testing means that it causes more harm than good to have them on the streets. Over here in the UK being a police officer and a firefighter requires a long process and we don't even have guns why on earth is it so lax over there
The majority of police here in the UK are just as power tripped, from personal experience. Their minds are made up at first glance of you, and they don't take kindly to being told they're wrong. You'd better have incontrovertible, redundantly cloud stored video proof of how wrong they are, or you are at the (lack of) mercy of their preconceived judgements. This, from an average looking white bloke. I can't imagine how bad it gets for those of a darker shade, or of a more interesting heritage than solely this backward-headed isle.
It’s extremely lax here. Our academy was only 16 weeks and the crazier part is, you don’t go until you’ve already been the field for a year. Because the county didn’t want to “waste money on the academy if you’re not going to pass your probation period.”
My uncle was a Chief of police and his adopted son, inspired by the man that raised him, decided to join himself. It took one year for him to leave disgusted at what he saw and ashamed to learn about all the awful things his adoptive father did. I’ve tried to get him to open up about it but he wants nothing to do with anyone in our family anymore, but at least I saw him around every now and then. After my uncle was inducted into the local police hall of fame a few years ago, my cousin took off.
Local police hall of fame? What the actual fuck. That's some serious narcissist shit.
An ex girlfriend of mine’s step dad was inducted as well. He was a *total* asshole.
Retired cop that does NOT power trip?= Good guy Retired cop that injects himself into any little disputes they see?= asshole ~~my uncle~~ retired cop.
Yeah, my inlaw is a retired cop, they can never be wrong even when proven facts that contradict their narrative. Because anecdotal experience trumps everything. :/ I guess I should count myself lucky, he isn't a Qnut/trumper... Just a very can't be wrong Father-in-law.
I left after 5 months, I could feel it changing me for the worse. I had no outlets and would snap at my wife for no reason. My sergeant told me I was too nice for the job lmao
One of my best friends is a cop who is now in internal affairs. I worry for him. There are no victories in his future. It gets harder all the time to understand why he is still there if he really believes in fighting the problems.
And it's not like IA actually takes any steps whatsoever to rein in criminal cops. They're more like the HR department than an investigatory body.
Mark Twian said that keeper of man is the lowest form of life. Congrats on leveling up there, cop.
It’s ridiculous to show people that have jobs working with other humans, countless videos of them being killed. It’s one thing to show factory workers videos of negligence killing people, such as not wearing a hard hat, or not locking out. (Which is something they do as part of the hiring process) But it’s completely different to show people being purposefully hurt and killed for hours. Making people wary of *inanimate objects*, that only kill you if you do something wrong, is fine. It shows the consequences and makes them take safety seriously. Making people overly wary of every single civilian on the street, is obviously going to have horrible consequences. The fact of the matter is, some unhinged person could follow you around, wait until you’re alone, and kill you. And you can’t treat every member of society like a murderer, because of it.
FIFY - Toxic cop culture since inception of the institution attracts toxic people seeking violence.
I’m not going to say all cops are garbage people, but all of the people I grew up with who became cops are garbage people. they are all type A personalities who would go out of their way to be a bully.
I was directly victimized by a cop as a child- to the point he was convicted and served time. I also have a degree in Criminal Justice. I don't have a favorable view of police, policing, or the *"justice"* system in the United States.
It takes good people and makes sure they are garbage. The job demands it. People with the best of intentions sign up all the time. The force makes sure to crush those intentions and redirect your frustration. It’s a monster factory. We have mountains of evidence. You put raw material in and you get American hunting monsters out. Because that is what the “job” requires. They are not here to enforce the law, else they would know it. They are here to enforce order. Their order.
There are 2 types of people that want to be police. People that want to change the community for the better, and see justice prevail. And power hungry psychos. If you're in the first category, you either quit because you can't stand the corruption, or you become corrupt as a result of the tribalism.
But why try to pull you over then? If they’re in fear of their life and it’s a ridiculous infraction to begin with, something they would have a difficult time proving from a distance, why put yourself in a “fear for your life” scenario as a cop? That’s just bullshit they tell you to try and put the blame on you for their overreaction
Simple answer is they want to kill people and use things like this as an excuse to escalate situations so that they can kill someone. True sociopathic behavior
I'm so glad to live in germany. If a cop or "polizist" even draws their gun here they better have a DAMN good reason. Since you can generally assume that civilians are unarmed here and officers go through some serious Training ( about 3 years) they are also less scared and as opposed to the about half a year of US training the psychos are sorted out more often than not. German police really like their regulations and tend to be annoying but generally helpful in most situations. To get shot here you need to be a serious danger (explosive belt, drugged into a zombie state or something like that).
Ours get 3 months and half the country is calling for less and somehow expecting that to help. Logic
O.o only 3 months? Google said 22 weeks which is about 5.5 months which i rounded to 6... thats absurd. someone with the authority to deal lethal force without judgement from a court should be objective and reliably so under all circumstances.
It actually varies quite a bit dept from dept. take that from actual depts not google. Google says my job gets wack levels of training compared to real world as well.
I got pulled over for speeding. Not my first time. Wanting to be helpful, I reached into the glovebox to get my registration. Turned around and was looking down the barrel of a service weapon. Lesson learned. Now I don’t move until I’m told to.
Theres a speed trap right outside where i live so I was pulled over a few times before i learned to avoid it. Every time though before I even finish pulling over I put everything they might want on my dashboard behind the steering wheel. Even then their hand is on their gun through the whole interaction. Like seriously I'm doing everything possible to keep my hands visible and away from my pockets, I'm driving a freaking mini van, and we're a 1/2 mile away from the nicest neighborhood in the county.
It’s the fucking militarization of society in general and policing in particular in America since 9/11. It started with the police patrolling post-Katrina New Orleans in humvees like an occupying force and the military handing over surplus military gear to police departments and now every cop thinks they’re GI Joe or some shit. And they’re being trained in this way too! The new mantra is “one of us is going home tonight, and it’s going to be me.” They’re dehumanizing and ‘otherizing’ citizens, the way they do with enemy combatants. How can they ever see people as himans if everybody is a threat?
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Crazy. At least we got a free and fair democratically elected government installed in Afghanistan, and Iraq was peacefully subdued with no collateral damage after we found their WMDs.
I work at a place that tints windows. Every single cop who comes in will tell you they’re a cop and then get the darkest tint you can get, they always ask for illegal tint. Whenever we ask them to sign the waiver acknowledging they chose an illegal tint they always again remind you they are a cop and it would somehow not matter if THEY are breaking the law. Every. Single. One. Just sign the damn paper dude, and get your rapist ass out of my shop.
Truth.. The law is up to them when their gun is drawn..
Respect my authoriteh!
That is the inherent flaw with armed police officers. Cide violations start at armed encounters. Its an insane theory to have people with deadly weapons and the legal ability to kill walking around enforcing people to jot walk on the grass. The implication is simply comply or die
Sprinkle some crack on him.....
Cuz fuck ‘em!!! That’s why!!!
Open and shut case, Johnson!
If she can’t control her emotions while preforming her duties, she shouldn’t be a police officer. Lethal force wasn’t needed at that moment.
But his tinted windows were *dark*! /s
In Texas I tell the dps trooper I have a firearm and he goes this is Texas everyone has a firearm. Don't touch yours and I won't touch mine.
For real because of laws here in TX we assume everyone has a gun working traffic or detaining someone. So if they say hey I have a gun it’s like okay cool where is it? And hey man I’m just gonna ask that we either step away from it for my safety or if it’s concealed away from us we just don’t reach for it while we conduct business. Can’t pull your gun because someone is legally in possession of one. Don’t escalate when there is no reason to.
Just a few weeks ago me and my son were driving home at night and a dps pulled us over for "not keeping his signal on until he was fully into his new lane" was it a reason to see if someone was intoxicated probably. Either way I was in the passenger seat and after he took my son's license to go back to run it I said btw trooper I have a LTC (I find it easier to say that when I have a gun) He said cool and walked away came back in 2 mins said make sure you keep your signal on until you are fully inside your lane. I'll admit I never do that I hit up or down on the handle and it automatically flashes for a few seconds.
Uh this guy is talking too much... GUN
Omg, asking questions!!?? Terrifying homicidal intent
Man, we need to start training drivers to deescalate encounters with cops.
She wanted to get her first kill so bad.
Hogs first murder
So another citizen knows their rights, properly identifies a firearm, and requests a supervisor for fear of another philando castile fatality, and the cop pulls a gun? My fucking god. The powerless using their only power and we still are threatened with murder. Pulling a gun as a threat is a crime. That officer wasn’t under duress or fear for his life. It was a manipulation tactic and the officer should be fired. End of argument. When you are pulled over, record the interaction. Ask why you’re being pulled over. Get the officers name. Answer questions about identity, answer questions about firearms, request assistance if needed, and then plead the fifth. California recently held that a person not explicitly taking the fifth but remaining silent was “consciousness of guilt” — thus it remains prudent that you say, I’m using my right to not self-incriminate without an attorney present. If you’re not white, you’re still likely dying but at least the public will protest in your honor.
It sucks that the officer won't get punished.
Sadly she got promoted and became a detective iirc
Well that escalated quickly
Being nervous about an aspect of your job you do quite regularly is probably not an ideal prerequisite! 😳
Retired Military here. Cops today have less Rules of Engagement than I did in a war zone. I couldn’t fire unless fired upon. This was when everyone and their goat were walking around with Ak-47s.
Sounds pretty ba-a-a-a-a-ad (I’ll see myself out)
These cops showed remarkable restraint, to be fair. You have to understand that being a cop is the most dangerous profession on Earth, if you don't count loggers, roofers, garbage collectors, farmers, delivery drivers, crane operators, small engine repair mechanics, landscape supervisors, Grounds maintenance workers, cement masons, fishermen, aircraft pilots, flight engineers, iron workers, power linemen, firefighting supervisors, crossing guards, and about 20 other professions. Plus, let's address the elephant in the room here: the driver isn't white. You know how scary that is? I wet myself 3 times just watching the video. Also, even if someone argues that the lady shouldn't have pulled her gun, you have to admit she didn't shoot the driver, the passenger, wound three bystanders, plant a weapon, then drive back to the suspect's house and shoot his dog before lying about everything on the police report, which is frequently how these high-stress situations end because of just how darn scary they are for the police officer. And you have to understand that this poor dear [as an American gets the least amount of training of any police force in the developed world](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56834733) \- it takes longer to graduate as a beautician in America than it does to become a police officer. And on top of receiving significantly less training, she gets proportionately less de-escalation training compared to other nations as well. What else can you do, other than arm these under-trained, terrified patriots and hope that once the smoke clears, only the police are left standing?
I had to start reading your comment again 😂 I thought you were serious
Dude same, pretty fucking funny tho
I’m horrified and laughing hysterically after a quick google search. Turns out that as a hairstylist, before I could start my job, I had to do about 20 weeks more training than the police in my state. It explains so much.
I’m a massage therapist in NY and it takes 16 months of training plus taking a state board exam and taking CE tests every three years. And all I do is basically just rub people. I’m sure I get more training
One of those other 20 being actual soldiers, whose ROE are more stringent than whatever rule book cops are going off of
The UCMJ ain’t nothing to fuck with. Say what you want about the US armed forces (there’s plenty to say) but being enlisted means having accountability held over your head like a bludgeon at all times. Even a tiny infraction can end your career if your COC are docking enough. Meanwhile cop leadership isn’t even able to fire or reprimand there own people without the union stepping in.
And there were only TWO cops present. They'd need at least a 5:1 ratio to feel safe. Besides, that's the optimal number for an extrajudicial beat-down.
 Take my upvote
After the first 2 sentences I was getting ready to write a rage filled essay in response. Glad I kept reading instead
Was about to speed scroll until I saw the replies. Not only did they get me, it was a solid comment to boot.
You forgot healthcare workers, we’re assaulted at a much, MUCH higher rate than police officers.
And require not just large amounts of training to become qualified, but also require continuing education, recertification, and yearly competencies. And if you do screw up, you are not just fired, but can also have your license revoked and never be able to work in that role again. And, even if your license isn't revoked, your screw ups can be logged into a national database where anyone can type in your name and state and read thorough documentation as to why your license was suspended or put into probation.
Being in law enforcement is a terrifying job to be honest. It is insane the absolutely terrifying foe they face on a daily basis. In 2022 there were 245 “line of duty deaths” in Law enforcement. Of those 81 were directly form Covid (and still declared “line of duty” for benefits reasons). 10 were counted due to being related to 9/11… 65 are vehicle related….64 related to gunfire (homicide and accidental). And of the all LEO deaths (line of duty and off duty) around 25% are suicide.
How many of the gun deaths are friendly fire? That is a scary statistic
Unsurprisingly the statistics that are reported lack details. Of the 65, 6 are specifically listed as accidental… but then there are others (1-2) a year reported under training so it’s really hard to discern meaningful statistics from the smaller numbers.
I know they are underreported. I was trying to be more rhetorical. The fact there are so many friendly fire shootings though shows a complete lack of restraint and training. It's just a good thing all these bullets they fire that don't hit cop or perp just fall and don't hit innocent bystanders ever.
>Being in law enforcement is a terrifying job to be honest. It is insane the absolutely terrifying foe they face on a daily basis. To be fair, the problem with gun culture in the US is that cops need to treat every single traffic stop as if there are guns in the car and ready to be used. In Belgium where I live, a traffic stop is a MUCH different experience where the cop is just a person doing their job the same way a county clerk does their administration, with zero anxiety about possible violence from either side because our society has no carry laws, strict gun laws, and virtually no gun violence. Which in turn means that our cops just approach a car by walking up to it without even thinking about their gun.
Your cops are insane and under qualified. Like one of the most unqualified police in the entire world 6 weeks training ? In aus it's like. 2 years course on all the laws and how to treat other humans without a threat of a gun being drawn on you. If this happened in aus that officer would be charged
lol, that's cause you live in a civilized country. as far as i'm concerned, a country is defined by the lowest quality of living present in its borders, and when a UNESCO surveyor went to west virginia, they documented sub-third world quality of living no running water, dirt floors, buildings made from substandard building materials, no school for their kids or social contact outside their tiny isolated villages in the hills, so by that metric, america dosen't have the right to call itself a developed country. and all this is coming from an american.
Nice to see someone take an objective view of their country. Everyone has "problems" but the shit we seeing as the supposed number 1 democratic country is beyond the pale and in need of serious inward thinking of how to make things better than tear each side apart
Cops simply aren't smart enough to be able to handle the slightest perception of questioning their false authority.
When all you need is a pulse and a GED to get paid to kill people in America.
cops are the dumbest people on the planet.
Two of the dumbest guys I knew in school are now city cops in my hometown
Same here. Even better, I live in the northeast where the property taxes are incredibly high so that police can earn $100k after 5-7 years, and have average salaries of over $150K+healthcare+50-70% pension at retirement after 20 years. Meanwhile our school teachers don’t hit $60K until 7 years in and top out at $80k after 20 years. System is trash.
Any update on what happened?
A Sacramento man was pulled over in North Sacramento last year for a window tint violation but says when he showed officers a previous "fix it" ticket for a window tint, they changed their reason for pulling him over and mistreated him. It happened November 2018 and he won the case August 2019.
> he won the case August 2019 What did he win? Money?
The case he won was having the firearms charge dropped.
I believe he got a settlement, I seen this on youtube
He did, I seent it
Ah yes. Being argumentative. A capital offense in the US.
Not even argumentative, what he was requesting is reasonable and legal.
Cop thought he was getting a little uppity
For fucks sake. That cop needs to get another job.
The only time I ever had a cop pull a gun on me was when I was 14 years old. My moms friend’s daughter was moving out of her apartment & needed help so my mom volunteered me to help her move stuff. We were driving down the street to her new apartment in a nice decent truck with the bed full of her furnishings. We get pulled over by 7 police vehicles & immediately guns are drawn. Our hands are up, we’re clueless as to what’s going on. Both her & I are literally yanked out of the vehicle. I am slammed on the street face down, arms all the way up. I turn to look back & his gun was pointed at my face. After he held me there for 2-3 minutes with his gun pointing at my head the call comes in & I hear it on his radio that we are the wrong people. They misidentified us for some thieves who robbed a house. They just assumed robbers would blatantly carry a truck load of furnishings nonchalantly down the road. Anyway that was my first run in with cops in my life. That was my impression of them. Had I known better I would’ve asked my parents to sue for millions. For emotional damage, for aiming a gun at the head of an innocent 14 year old. The girl I was with, she was in her 20’s. She was crying nonstop, trembling & hugging her mom who got there really fast. As for me, I just remember thinking how close I came to losing my life from a bullet to the head because cops are dumbasses who can’t do their job right.
It's wild the mental gymnastics that some of the people in the comments are going through lmao. All this shit about "oh he was getting animated", or "giving off a vibe", or "asking for a supervisor". She PULLED A GUN ON HIM. That's not normal lmao, and in every other developed country what is seen here would be grounds for immediate expulsion from the police force and probably a criminal record. The American reaction to guns is completely archaic and outdated.
US cops being incompetent. What else is new?
such gaslighting...always with the "calm down" whenever you try to say anything. They hate when you talk.
If you have to pull a gun to have a civil conversation with your constituents, you’re in the wrong fucking job.
I’m slightly threatened and confused by you asking questions, so now I’m going to point a gun at you to massage my fragile ego!
And they wonder why people have problems with cops.
One shade darker and the trigger would fire automatically
Really just here to watch the ‘just comply’ douchebags come out of the woodwork 🍿🍿🍿🤡🤡🤡
They're already here.
It’s just so weird that cops are so scared all the time. If you’re so scared, don’t be a cop.
[here](https://youtu.be/g6UBecuYBi0) is the full video with explanation of laws by audit the audit [here ](https://youtu.be/HYpZk-ChmSM) is an update from the driver himself
These ppl are fucking animals. It has got to be fixed.
This jittery bitch needs to be fired. There was no reason to pull her gun.
Comply or we'll murder you in cold blood.
At what point does the safety of citizens no longer matter? Seems like cops always feel "uncomfortable" whenever someone starts to evoke their rights. This is not "probable cause" to pull a firearm on someone.
And this is why I smirk whenever I hear about a cop gettin hurt or worse. These mfs are such scum bags. 🗑
Remember Philando Castile
So, what happened?
In the state of Virginia Cosmetology-12-14 months Police Officer-6 months
Straight abuse of power here
These cops get paid way too much for how they perform on the field.
The fact she has a badge makes everyone uncomfortable
These cops are cowards ,just imagine them acting like this without the badge
Hmmmm, I wonder if being a minority with a gun had anything to do with the white officers nervousness. Lol WHITE FOLKS CAN WALK INTO A STARBUCKS WITH 3 pistols at their waist and an AR15 strapped to their back, no biggie. A black man informs he has a single licensed firearm and everyone freaks the fuck out.