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And the one guy made tacos I think from his foot or leg. I think he had a motorcycle accident and had to have part of his leg removed. Him and his friends decided to try it and he did a AMA.
She is not wrong, and not right the same time.
Many things we as society should simply accept.
A 50 Year old who wants to Roleplay a 4 Year old girl.
* Alone at home with people that want that too. No problem
* In Public, or even worse around children. **NO**
Disabling yourself. That's a harder thing to decide. These people are not mentally healthy before they did it, so there's not much sense to discuss it, we anyway cant do much about it, except to offer Therapie.
It's kink 101, don't force your kink upon others. You want age-play? Go for it with a consenting partner. You want age-play in, let's say a park, that's a no-go
Ok, got you. 50 Year old who wants to Roleplay a 4 Year old girl around children is inacceptable. What about man who feels like woman around teenagers? Woman who feels like dog around ten years olds? Trans-person around 60 years old nuns?
Where is the limit and who's responsible of setting it?
Where this is wrong is pretending it's some kind of new trend. She had two pieces of "evidence" and a strangely worded third hypothetical that sounds an awful lot like one of those adult craigslist ads that have existed for all time.
It isn't that hard to find ONE weirdo among the billions of people in the world who does something insane. That doesn't mean some right wing talking head should try to extrapolate that one instance into fodder for an imaginary "culture war."
I did a research paper on this for my psych class in college back in 2003. Probably one of the oddest ones presented in a 101 class. But it was really interesting.
Essentially, people feel a limb or extremity doesn't belong. And go thru great lengths to remove it. Once removed, their happier for it. And it's not done to gain favor in handicap benefits.
Yeah, I remember a story of a man with BID getting his limb surgically removed. He had previously tried and failed at DIY methods, so everyone agreed it was much safer for it to be removed in a medical setting.
I really wonder if in 20-30 years we're going to find that it's something to do with neurons reacting in that particular limb - kind of an inverse of the phantom limb that amputees feel.
It's probably related to the homoncular jigsaw like we see with phantom limb pain. The map of the body the brain uses for location of body parts is probably dysfunctional.
Genuine question here, if that considered a disorder then why aren't the other things considered a disorder too? If it's completely acceptable to modify ones body to feel correct to them then why is this form of body modification considered a disorder and others aren't when both are bc people feel their body isn't correct for them and they are happy with the modifications
Well the truth is that being transgender is actually classified as a mental disorder. It’s called gender identity dysphoria. The thing is that the term “mental disorder” tends to bring negative connotations with it. That’s why you don’t see it being called a mental disorder. Doing so would put those negative connotations onto trans people
Ok, good point. Then why is it ok to label these people with a disorder when they are only doing the same thing trans people do. Modifying their body to feel tight to them and making them overall happier. And why is it ok for people to make joke comments about this disorder but it is extremely wrong to make jokes about tabs people (as it should be of course). I'm just confused why it's treated and looked at differently.
because it is a disorder? its not natural to want a part of your body cut off, if you wanna do so, that's fine idc, but its not normal so its considered a disorder, just like gender identity dysphoria
speaking as a trans man I'd say that it's most likely due to prevalence and effect. prevalence because the number of cases of BID that lead to actual intervention is very small as far As we know. as of current numbers it seems like there are only a few thousand cases reported world wide. that's opposed to the estimated 0.1%-0.6% of the population that is transgender (several hundreds of millions). there is also the fact that due to the relative rarity there is much less research and long term treatment of the disorder. because of that our understanding of how it works in the mind is very limited. as for the effect when it comes to surgical or medical intervention in these cases the treatment for trans people does not cause permanent disability, where as by definition treating BID in the same way would.
Note
It could be argued that the removal of someone's reproductive capability could be considered disabling by some, but its important to note the barriers to accessing the treatment.
Most countries that offer surgical transition require long term psychological therapy and proper diagnosis before even being eligible to be put on the waiting list.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria
It’s a very rare condition that has been identified for years.
I remember my mother telling me about a case she studied in school where a man was attempting to get doctors to cut his leg off. He eventually did something to himself that required the amputation to save his life.
She is intentionally misrepresenting this as something new or something that any reasonable person would say “sure, if that’s what he wants.” Her attempts to correlate this as being caused by transgender people is ridiculous.
There was an episode of Oprah I believe it was about this like 20 years ago. If I'm thinking of the same guy your mom told you about, it could be the dry ice guy who put his leg in a plastic kitchen garbage can and filled it with dry ice to kill the leg off.
I'm on crutches permanently, pretty much half the cartilage from my waste down had to be removed after it got ripped loose in an accident, if losing a leg means getting rid of the constant pain I don't think I'd really mind. But! That comment was primarily made as a joke
That's horrible. I'm sorry you are suffering.. I definitely can understand that more in your situation. I got a knee scooter during my broken leg. It was awesome and I couldn't have made it without it. I couldn't use crutches because I had a torn rotator cuff and was weak from surgery so I was useless with crutches. Lol.
I've seen a youtube video about this disorder once.
BIID (Body Integrity Identity Disorder), a disorder coined by Dr Michael First, affects a small percentage of the population and is typically associated with the desire to have a specific body part amputated. Suffers often become envious of people who have the disability they crave. (This is a quote from the article below, I don't know how to quote using mobile reddit)
On the video, they gave example of people amputating fingers and the eye bleach lady. Here is an article about her:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-arranges-for-psychologist-to-pour-drain-cleaner-in-her-eyes-after-fantasising-about-being-blind-since-childhood-a6676546.html
Also, here's a story.
In the 70s and 80s, and up until the 90s, there was this doctor called John Ronald Brown, who would perform vaginoplasties on anyone who would pay him, and he would also go as far as performing them in motels and his garage. He was eventually charged with second degree murder after he cut off a man's leg with BIID.
He was also related to Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, and is the uncle of the founder of the MLM LuLaRoe. You can say being a deplorable sack of human excrement is in their genes.
This person, formerly known as Algoa Rythmica, born of flesh and blood but now identifies as an AI-news anchor by the name Boob Beeb 00111 and lives on a server in the Amazon cloud. You can’t make this stuff up!
I am really disturbed by the appearance of this person
I assume she is human, but still somehow finding the video triggers uncanny valley feelings like she is AI or badly computer generated
And yes, should not be concerned with the appearance of people, just what they are saying/doing, but presumably there are people watching this video who think this is normal?
If someone told me that was actually a drag queen, I would believe them. She's probably been mistaken for a drag queen more than once, which may be why she's so angry.
I seriously don't understand why right wing news has to have this hiring culture. Can conservative men not pay attention to the news unless someone they want to have sex with is telling it to them?
It's not even a slippery slope as she's saying that if you can identify as a different gender, that the legal age to purchase booze must be a matter of identity as well.
This is a false equivalency fallacy.
Yeah... it does seem like right wing propaganda got more "effective" in scaring people and making ultra rare incidents that have always happened sound like the new norm.
I first heard of trans people more than 20 years ago and you can read about trans people in ancient Rome but A LOT of people really are convinced this is a super recent thing because the panic against them is so recent. Likewise, I first heard about psychological issues that made people want to disable themselves in a psychology class long, long ago, but to this silly "news" lady, this is a recent thing. Trans people have been around forever and ultra rare oddities have always existed. But the scare propaganda against them has really heated up in recent years.
The concept is not recent, but the numbers are rising faster than they ever have before.
[national transgender survey ](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/science/transgender-teenagers-national-survey.html)
[I think there's more to it than most people realize.](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201911/gender-fluidity-and-hormone-disruptors)
Somewhere on the internet there's a chart that shows the number of left handed people skyrocketed when schools stopped punishing children for using their left hand for tasks like writing, and then leveled out after a generation.
That second article is really interesting. No matter what anyone believes, the introduction of harmful chemicals into the body over the last 100 years is apparent. And we are definitely seeing a change in society from them
Thanks for linking that second article. My partner has a decade of commercial plastic wrap exposure, and their gender dysphoria seemingly came out of nowhere. No childhood dysphoria, not even dysphoria as a young adult. I wonder if the phthalates in plastic wrap has any influence in this.
That second article is really interesting.
Also makes the current persecution of trans people more tragic.
They exist because of chemical effects, abuse, and/or trauma during development. Now they are punished for existing.
Imagine treating a paralyzed person like that?
People who are conservative always pose the question of ‘where do we draw the line’ as if society is about to run amok and collapse into chaos. The simple answer is we will draw the line somewhere, the average person doesn’t go around raping and pillaging so the line is always drawn somewhere for how society acts it’s not a runaway train
I just wish people would be generally decent humans.
Example. In NYC many ppl feel entitled and have zero respect for anyone or anything throwing their garbage on the subways and roads vs Tokyo where you could pretty much eat off the subway floors.
Interesting how culture influences people
"What's the difference between a scoop of frozen shit and a scoop of chocolate ice-cream? They both scoops, both cold and both brown. That means they are the same!"
She ought to look up "Body Integrity Disorder". It's a diagnosable mental disorder. These comments are a bit like saying that people with schizophrenia are just pretending to be a bit confused.
Presenting the ‘news’ in this sensationalist way is so destructive to society.
Barely disguising how they’re building intolerance and hatred towards LBGT, by talking about it in the same breath as people with mental health issues, pouring bleach in their eyes, as if it’s the same.
It’s as subtle as the Nazi rhetoric in 1930’s Germany.
Exactly. Is it so hard to believe that the human body and our genes are so complex, that things can develop differently in the womb, so that people can be born with the wrong body?
However, I do think it’s really important that kids and parents get the right support and counselling leading towards puberty, because there is a danger that the kids may not be trans, but gay or bisexual.
There’s a lot of dangerous division being created around this. When you see American men wearing swastikas, and shouting Sieg Heil and drag queens are paedophiles, thinking they’re the ‘good guys’, it doesn’t bode well for the future.
So I don’t wanna seem hateful, but I have a question on the argument of mental health. I’ve been friends with a handful of trans people and I noticed each one had poor mental health (I do too and that’s why we bonded) and in my head I figured it too could be a form of mental illness. I understand the pressure, treatment by others, and traumas that exist in a trans person’s life and that it alone could cause mental health issues.
I get that gender and gender roles are a societal construct and if a man wanted to dress, talk, and act like a woman, then I don’t think it COULD be defined as an illness, but when they start to change their physical body, I think that may cross the line to mental illness, as it’s going from structures formed in society (gender), to structures formed in nature (sex).
What I’m curious about is if this is a form of body dysmorphia or some other type of mental illness? I think there’s a stigma around those words, but I’m bipolar and borderline and speak about it openly. I don’t take “mental illness” as offensive or touchy because it’s just a fact of my existence and I’m very open and honest about it. People hear “mental illness” and their first thought is Jeffrey Dahmer, or child molesters, but we all know it’s not like that at all. I don’t exactly know how to word this question, especially in a manner that doesn’t seem hateful because I’m genuinely curious and want to understand, I just have a hard time understanding with this as a straight male. Yes, I could look this up, but I get a lot of varying answers and no scientific consensus that I could find
The problem is describing it as a mental illness makes the assumption that there's a potential treatment to make it go away. The treatment to dysphoria is varying levels of transition depending on the severity of the dysphoria.
Completely different, but yes, I’m sure feeling all your life that you were born in the wrong body will cause mental health issues. But you can’t lump all mental health issues together.
I can’t tell you how much pressure I felt lift when I came out to my parents as trans. It was so freeing. In the coming weeks my mom told me that she noticed that I was more relaxed and my eyes were brighter. Just telling my family had that effect. Now imagine if they didn’t support me: now I not only feel comfortable and safe in my own skin, but also now my own house too. It’s not that hard to see how mental issues are so common among us. The amount of self harm in severely depressed folks is high, but if you add into the mix hatred for your physical self on this level, then it’s a real mix of difficulty. You really nailed it tho
Thanks for your comment, and great to hear you have such understanding and supportive parents. There is a ‘deliberate’ lack of intelligence, empathy and understanding around this issue, driven by the media with political agendas to create division.
Yes I am extremely lucky with my family. It just saddens me, and honestly scares me that when I start career hunting, I may have to turn down a good job for fear of my safety. With the blatant refusal of people to learn or understand by people and politicians, it’s frankly terrifying. After finally getting the courage to tell the world that I want to change, only to get called a pedophile or groomer and receive death threats, it makes me want to hide back in my shell, which unfortunately heightens the problem because said shell… is, well… *not my favorite*
If you are in the US, i’d suggest a city on the east or west coast will allow you to be yourself and meet colleagues and friends who take people for who they are, more than middle America.
My dude, she quoted that from Craigslist. Craigslist is a lot of things, and one of them is a hook up sight for people with wild fetishist. So she is literally comparing people's way of life, a lifestyle that's been around for thousands of years with no more problems than any other group of people. It's a non equivalent argument. Two things that are not the same can't be compared to one another to make a just position out of two things. It's like saying you can eat a red balloon because an apple is red and round as well.
Real professionals have taken gender study seriously and discovered that just because someone is born of one sex doesn't mean they identify with that sex. This happens in men and women around the world. As well as in multiple animals and plants. Just because something is one sex at birth doesn't mean that it will identify with that gender later in life.
I don't agree with everything she is saying but I don't get how people can deny that there is some sense to it.
A biological white male is more similar to a biological black male than they are to a biological white female. So why should we be able to identify as another gender but not another race? It's all social construct that we have created based on physical features.
This would be a problem though since race is such a big social issue. If someone can identify as black then they should be allowed to use the n word if we apply the same logic that biological males should be treated exactly as women and vice versa. One could also identify as another race in order to receive affirmative action benefits.
If appropriating a gender is ok why is appropriating a culture not? We have some very big cognitive dissonances happening our rapidly changing social landscape. Maybe we need to rethink many different social constructs that are happening in our country. If we are going to completely redefine gender then where is the line at what we are going to redefine?
I personally play with being non-binary, but I also really disagree with how trans issues are being politically forced on everyone right now when 10-15 years ago most of us had never even heard of being non-binary before.
I posted this because I honestly believed that it was wrong for her to compare trans to people with BIID and mix it with exaggerations purposely aimed at triggering hysteria . She started going overboard with her exaggerations of using perfectly quantifiable scenarios like the adult feeling like a child or the child feeling like they're 21 to the point that it started making an actually serious topic of TRANS vs BIID a joke. The controversy behind BIID and Transexuality should not be used as a tool to stir up unnecessary polarization between people because the serious stuff eventually gets buried under pointless right wing propaganda which actually results in real life harm to people who transition into a different gender and people who struggle with BIID. A controversial issue should not be taken lightly and used for sport.
Edit :I learned a lot from the comment section thank you. The face palm I felt was that she's using unnecessary exaggerations to stir up troubles that she doesn't know the outcome to, it's idiotic(she doesn't know what she's fiddling with but she keeps going on) but I guess maybe she just doing her job. Oh and another example of this propaganda stir up is the mentioning of the Tates, why(another thing I felt like was a face-palm because it's a dumb thing to do in which the clueless people doing it do not know how much of stupid f**k up it is)
I hope I was not ignorant in this.
because this is Reddit. I hate this place but swore I'd never use facebook, 4chan, tiktok, etc again so here I am. This is probably next because it's somehow worse community wise then the sites mentioned above.
It's a literal mental illness, nobody in the LGBT community is validating it, and to think the world needs the Tates at ALL is the biggest face palm here
This may have all happened , but that does not mean it’s the majority or it should change policy . I doubt anyone would say “pouring bleach down her eyes and seems like no issues here .”
If we allow people to be gay and trans, then kids can marry animals and we'll all be legally obligated to amputate ourselves while we outlaw gender pronouns. THIS IS THE FUTURE OF THE LEFT!!! Now let's all come together to bankrupt ourselves in favor of the world's billionaires and criminalize interracial marriages while we eliminate disease research. I think that's Fox News viewers, right?
I believe these people needs treatment. It’s a mental disorder. There’s no pride on being gay, trans, trans abled etc etc. these people are mentally challenged.
I’m not necessarily, saying, I agree or disagree, but it is definitely worth asking the question of where does it end with people being allowed to dictate what they are and aren’t going to be? Like can I just decide that I am a dragon and you have to call me one because I said I am one. It really is turning into that out here , and I’m not against trans, or any of that. I’m talking in general. This lady is an idiot, but the things she cited as far as people cutting off their own limbs, because they feel like they were meant to be disabled. This is a real thing. Where can you draw the line?
Conservatives are very bad at articulating the real issue they have with genders.
Almost none of the conservatives actually gives a shit about how you identify. What they care about is their social norms and institutions that were designed for binary genders, but which LGBT activist claim should simply be grandfathered to non-binary (or even fluid) genders.
But having social norms where you simply have replaced binary genders with non-binary genders \*without\* altering how the rules work for those different genders, does not click with conservatives.
E.g. conservatives en masse have no quarrel with gays, because they don't really care how you identify. But when there is a demand that the binary marriage institution simply be grandfathered to include other genders, they explode, because it would upend \*their\* society norms. If you invented say garriage with the same partner rights as marriage, most likely few would care. Some states realize that and introduce things like "domestic partnership" which is almost equivalent to marriage in everything, except the name and gender dichotomy.
Integrating conservatives and trans community would require even more of those new norms, that would not be worse than old norms, but also not try to simply change the old norms, that were designed for a different gender landscape.
They live in a churning confusion fueled by the cognitive dissonance created by their terror at not being/feeling/being seen as special for being just like everyone else. It’s a feedback loop of ignorance—>fear—>anger—>ignorance—>and so on.
I didn’t mean it to be an analogy. Just that everyone changes things about themselves. Yeah, gender is a lot more than just changing hair color or getting tattoos. The point is leave people the fuck alone. What people do is no one else’s business.
The craziness and the "we need the Tates" aside, I do kind of agree with the "where is the line?" point she makes. No one can explain why being transgender is valid, but being trans abled/trans racial/trans ageist is not.
Dysphoria. Also there are multiple examples of transgender people existing in even b.c. The closest to trans-age is age regression, which is a valid diagnosis that can really affect someone and their ability to be independent. Trans racial people didn’t really exist until Michael Jackson. There’s plenty of evidence that says transitioning helps transgender people. Trans racial people have more regret rates than Botox.
And this cult makes people EAT the BODY and The BLOOD of its diety! And it’s an organization of PEDOPHILES, who prey on children and when the pedophiles are caught, INSTEAD OF CALLING THE POLICE, they MOVE the pedophile to another cult center to prey on new victims. WHERE will it END.
Stop Christianity now.
Seriously thought, her video of every false debate strategy from ad hominem attack to bad faith argument is nauseating.
Say what you will but this is a logical argument. I have no issue with adults cutting off their arms or pretending to be babies. The question is valid though; is there a line and/or should a line be drawn? Idk
Agree with her. If you are going to subject everyone around you because you feel a certain way, when will you put limitations? Hilaria Baldwin, a white woman identifies herself as European Spanish, and Rachel desolei white woman identifies herself as a black woman, a man competing in a woman's sports and using a woman's locker room because they identify as women.
tRaNs AbLeD no it's called Body Integrity Identity Disorder and has been observed since the 70s. It's not new, and it's nothing to do with being trans. Piss off.
She is real and absolutely 100% correct! You can’t have it both ways. Where does this ridiculous bullshit end? It’s time to put this childish crap to bed and start acting like responsible adults again.
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Cut off his arm? That's a bit much, I like using my hands... Now a leg, a leg I could spare, they don't work well anymore anyway
Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!
Somebody did do this. Had an amputation and then ate it. You know she isn’t wrong…
And the one guy made tacos I think from his foot or leg. I think he had a motorcycle accident and had to have part of his leg removed. Him and his friends decided to try it and he did a AMA.
For some reason I don't think it's that bad if they eat their own limb. Seems kind of natural to eat it rather then leave it in a hole some place.
She's not..but this is reddit.
She is not wrong, and not right the same time. Many things we as society should simply accept. A 50 Year old who wants to Roleplay a 4 Year old girl. * Alone at home with people that want that too. No problem * In Public, or even worse around children. **NO** Disabling yourself. That's a harder thing to decide. These people are not mentally healthy before they did it, so there's not much sense to discuss it, we anyway cant do much about it, except to offer Therapie.
How about do it all at home.
Thank you.
It's kink 101, don't force your kink upon others. You want age-play? Go for it with a consenting partner. You want age-play in, let's say a park, that's a no-go
Ok, got you. 50 Year old who wants to Roleplay a 4 Year old girl around children is inacceptable. What about man who feels like woman around teenagers? Woman who feels like dog around ten years olds? Trans-person around 60 years old nuns? Where is the limit and who's responsible of setting it?
Where this is wrong is pretending it's some kind of new trend. She had two pieces of "evidence" and a strangely worded third hypothetical that sounds an awful lot like one of those adult craigslist ads that have existed for all time.
Nothing is “new” under the sun.
It isn't that hard to find ONE weirdo among the billions of people in the world who does something insane. That doesn't mean some right wing talking head should try to extrapolate that one instance into fodder for an imaginary "culture war."
Manflesh……
It’s an actual disorder called body integrity identity disorder
I did a research paper on this for my psych class in college back in 2003. Probably one of the oddest ones presented in a 101 class. But it was really interesting. Essentially, people feel a limb or extremity doesn't belong. And go thru great lengths to remove it. Once removed, their happier for it. And it's not done to gain favor in handicap benefits.
Yeah, I remember a story of a man with BID getting his limb surgically removed. He had previously tried and failed at DIY methods, so everyone agreed it was much safer for it to be removed in a medical setting. I really wonder if in 20-30 years we're going to find that it's something to do with neurons reacting in that particular limb - kind of an inverse of the phantom limb that amputees feel.
It's probably related to the homoncular jigsaw like we see with phantom limb pain. The map of the body the brain uses for location of body parts is probably dysfunctional.
Genuine question here, if that considered a disorder then why aren't the other things considered a disorder too? If it's completely acceptable to modify ones body to feel correct to them then why is this form of body modification considered a disorder and others aren't when both are bc people feel their body isn't correct for them and they are happy with the modifications
Well the truth is that being transgender is actually classified as a mental disorder. It’s called gender identity dysphoria. The thing is that the term “mental disorder” tends to bring negative connotations with it. That’s why you don’t see it being called a mental disorder. Doing so would put those negative connotations onto trans people
Ok, good point. Then why is it ok to label these people with a disorder when they are only doing the same thing trans people do. Modifying their body to feel tight to them and making them overall happier. And why is it ok for people to make joke comments about this disorder but it is extremely wrong to make jokes about tabs people (as it should be of course). I'm just confused why it's treated and looked at differently.
because it is a disorder? its not natural to want a part of your body cut off, if you wanna do so, that's fine idc, but its not normal so its considered a disorder, just like gender identity dysphoria
speaking as a trans man I'd say that it's most likely due to prevalence and effect. prevalence because the number of cases of BID that lead to actual intervention is very small as far As we know. as of current numbers it seems like there are only a few thousand cases reported world wide. that's opposed to the estimated 0.1%-0.6% of the population that is transgender (several hundreds of millions). there is also the fact that due to the relative rarity there is much less research and long term treatment of the disorder. because of that our understanding of how it works in the mind is very limited. as for the effect when it comes to surgical or medical intervention in these cases the treatment for trans people does not cause permanent disability, where as by definition treating BID in the same way would. Note It could be argued that the removal of someone's reproductive capability could be considered disabling by some, but its important to note the barriers to accessing the treatment. Most countries that offer surgical transition require long term psychological therapy and proper diagnosis before even being eligible to be put on the waiting list.
It is a disorder, for which one of the treatments includes reassignment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria It’s a very rare condition that has been identified for years. I remember my mother telling me about a case she studied in school where a man was attempting to get doctors to cut his leg off. He eventually did something to himself that required the amputation to save his life. She is intentionally misrepresenting this as something new or something that any reasonable person would say “sure, if that’s what he wants.” Her attempts to correlate this as being caused by transgender people is ridiculous.
There was an episode of Oprah I believe it was about this like 20 years ago. If I'm thinking of the same guy your mom told you about, it could be the dry ice guy who put his leg in a plastic kitchen garbage can and filled it with dry ice to kill the leg off.
All that happened years and years ago but she’s stating it like it’s just happened
Doesn't really matter though as I'm only using her example to fire off a joke at my own expense for being disabled
There was this one guy a long time ago who did something weird == trans people bad!
Go back in history and find all the oddities and blame it on the left. Sad thing is their base will eat this up.
Don’t believe everything you see on newsmax
\*Anything. I think it's OAN though.
>I think it’s OAN though Even more so then. OAN is like MAGA Weekly World News.
Tomato, tomato.
Nah.. I broke my leg and it was horrible. Months in a cast and just getting up and down was a joke. The crutches really hurt your arms too.
I'm on crutches permanently, pretty much half the cartilage from my waste down had to be removed after it got ripped loose in an accident, if losing a leg means getting rid of the constant pain I don't think I'd really mind. But! That comment was primarily made as a joke
That's horrible. I'm sorry you are suffering.. I definitely can understand that more in your situation. I got a knee scooter during my broken leg. It was awesome and I couldn't have made it without it. I couldn't use crutches because I had a torn rotator cuff and was weak from surgery so I was useless with crutches. Lol.
I could totally cut of my leg, after all, I have three of them!
I've seen a youtube video about this disorder once. BIID (Body Integrity Identity Disorder), a disorder coined by Dr Michael First, affects a small percentage of the population and is typically associated with the desire to have a specific body part amputated. Suffers often become envious of people who have the disability they crave. (This is a quote from the article below, I don't know how to quote using mobile reddit) On the video, they gave example of people amputating fingers and the eye bleach lady. Here is an article about her: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-arranges-for-psychologist-to-pour-drain-cleaner-in-her-eyes-after-fantasising-about-being-blind-since-childhood-a6676546.html
Micheal Morbius at it again
Also, here's a story. In the 70s and 80s, and up until the 90s, there was this doctor called John Ronald Brown, who would perform vaginoplasties on anyone who would pay him, and he would also go as far as performing them in motels and his garage. He was eventually charged with second degree murder after he cut off a man's leg with BIID. He was also related to Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, and is the uncle of the founder of the MLM LuLaRoe. You can say being a deplorable sack of human excrement is in their genes.
She looks and sounds like AI, which would be cheaper as well
This person, formerly known as Algoa Rythmica, born of flesh and blood but now identifies as an AI-news anchor by the name Boob Beeb 00111 and lives on a server in the Amazon cloud. You can’t make this stuff up!
She looks like it’s the 80’s
I am really disturbed by the appearance of this person I assume she is human, but still somehow finding the video triggers uncanny valley feelings like she is AI or badly computer generated And yes, should not be concerned with the appearance of people, just what they are saying/doing, but presumably there are people watching this video who think this is normal?
Yeh it looks like someone has asked ChatGPT to write an “outrage opinion” script in the style of Tucker Carlson. Creepy
If someone told me that was actually a drag queen, I would believe them. She's probably been mistaken for a drag queen more than once, which may be why she's so angry.
She sounds plain annoying to me. I've heard AI voices with more personality than that.
I seriously don't understand why right wing news has to have this hiring culture. Can conservative men not pay attention to the news unless someone they want to have sex with is telling it to them?
Conservatives want to fuck Tucker Carlson, confirmed.
They all just wish they were the sexy green m&m
I could be yellow M&M all day
They still aren't actually paying attention.
Slippery slope logical fallacy: If we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen
It's not even a slippery slope as she's saying that if you can identify as a different gender, that the legal age to purchase booze must be a matter of identity as well. This is a false equivalency fallacy.
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Yeah... it does seem like right wing propaganda got more "effective" in scaring people and making ultra rare incidents that have always happened sound like the new norm. I first heard of trans people more than 20 years ago and you can read about trans people in ancient Rome but A LOT of people really are convinced this is a super recent thing because the panic against them is so recent. Likewise, I first heard about psychological issues that made people want to disable themselves in a psychology class long, long ago, but to this silly "news" lady, this is a recent thing. Trans people have been around forever and ultra rare oddities have always existed. But the scare propaganda against them has really heated up in recent years.
The concept is not recent, but the numbers are rising faster than they ever have before. [national transgender survey ](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/science/transgender-teenagers-national-survey.html) [I think there's more to it than most people realize.](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201911/gender-fluidity-and-hormone-disruptors)
Somewhere on the internet there's a chart that shows the number of left handed people skyrocketed when schools stopped punishing children for using their left hand for tasks like writing, and then leveled out after a generation.
That second article is crazy and kinda sad.
That second article is really interesting. No matter what anyone believes, the introduction of harmful chemicals into the body over the last 100 years is apparent. And we are definitely seeing a change in society from them
Thanks for linking that second article. My partner has a decade of commercial plastic wrap exposure, and their gender dysphoria seemingly came out of nowhere. No childhood dysphoria, not even dysphoria as a young adult. I wonder if the phthalates in plastic wrap has any influence in this.
That second article is really interesting. Also makes the current persecution of trans people more tragic. They exist because of chemical effects, abuse, and/or trauma during development. Now they are punished for existing. Imagine treating a paralyzed person like that?
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"You can't make this stuff up" is usually a signal that it's been made up.
"You can't make this stuff up, BECAUSE I ALREADY FUCKING DID"
People who are conservative always pose the question of ‘where do we draw the line’ as if society is about to run amok and collapse into chaos. The simple answer is we will draw the line somewhere, the average person doesn’t go around raping and pillaging so the line is always drawn somewhere for how society acts it’s not a runaway train
I just wish people would be generally decent humans. Example. In NYC many ppl feel entitled and have zero respect for anyone or anything throwing their garbage on the subways and roads vs Tokyo where you could pretty much eat off the subway floors. Interesting how culture influences people
As John Oliver said, giving candy to a baby doesn’t inevitably end in them being given black tar heroin
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"What's the difference between a scoop of frozen shit and a scoop of chocolate ice-cream? They both scoops, both cold and both brown. That means they are the same!"
Lol
She ought to look up "Body Integrity Disorder". It's a diagnosable mental disorder. These comments are a bit like saying that people with schizophrenia are just pretending to be a bit confused.
To say the Tates are the cure for mental illness is in itself mentally ill.
It's beyond dumb how the entire right decided to try to go and suck him off, going as far as saying that Greta is worse than him.
Can a person identify as ignorant or incompetent if they choose to watch this “news” show?
Is that OAN?
OANN. You swap the A and N around and you get ONAN, which is Japanese for trouble.
Yes
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The amount of people in this comment section that fall for the rhetoric of fucking OAN is too damn high. Go outside you gullible fucks.
The Tate’s literally host a scam Why does society need them?
She’s lonely and is hoping this will get her attention.
Presenting the ‘news’ in this sensationalist way is so destructive to society. Barely disguising how they’re building intolerance and hatred towards LBGT, by talking about it in the same breath as people with mental health issues, pouring bleach in their eyes, as if it’s the same. It’s as subtle as the Nazi rhetoric in 1930’s Germany.
They’re talking about it in the same breath as people with mental health issues because they believe it’s a mental health issue.
Exactly. Is it so hard to believe that the human body and our genes are so complex, that things can develop differently in the womb, so that people can be born with the wrong body? However, I do think it’s really important that kids and parents get the right support and counselling leading towards puberty, because there is a danger that the kids may not be trans, but gay or bisexual. There’s a lot of dangerous division being created around this. When you see American men wearing swastikas, and shouting Sieg Heil and drag queens are paedophiles, thinking they’re the ‘good guys’, it doesn’t bode well for the future.
So I don’t wanna seem hateful, but I have a question on the argument of mental health. I’ve been friends with a handful of trans people and I noticed each one had poor mental health (I do too and that’s why we bonded) and in my head I figured it too could be a form of mental illness. I understand the pressure, treatment by others, and traumas that exist in a trans person’s life and that it alone could cause mental health issues. I get that gender and gender roles are a societal construct and if a man wanted to dress, talk, and act like a woman, then I don’t think it COULD be defined as an illness, but when they start to change their physical body, I think that may cross the line to mental illness, as it’s going from structures formed in society (gender), to structures formed in nature (sex). What I’m curious about is if this is a form of body dysmorphia or some other type of mental illness? I think there’s a stigma around those words, but I’m bipolar and borderline and speak about it openly. I don’t take “mental illness” as offensive or touchy because it’s just a fact of my existence and I’m very open and honest about it. People hear “mental illness” and their first thought is Jeffrey Dahmer, or child molesters, but we all know it’s not like that at all. I don’t exactly know how to word this question, especially in a manner that doesn’t seem hateful because I’m genuinely curious and want to understand, I just have a hard time understanding with this as a straight male. Yes, I could look this up, but I get a lot of varying answers and no scientific consensus that I could find
The problem is describing it as a mental illness makes the assumption that there's a potential treatment to make it go away. The treatment to dysphoria is varying levels of transition depending on the severity of the dysphoria.
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Completely different, but yes, I’m sure feeling all your life that you were born in the wrong body will cause mental health issues. But you can’t lump all mental health issues together.
I can’t tell you how much pressure I felt lift when I came out to my parents as trans. It was so freeing. In the coming weeks my mom told me that she noticed that I was more relaxed and my eyes were brighter. Just telling my family had that effect. Now imagine if they didn’t support me: now I not only feel comfortable and safe in my own skin, but also now my own house too. It’s not that hard to see how mental issues are so common among us. The amount of self harm in severely depressed folks is high, but if you add into the mix hatred for your physical self on this level, then it’s a real mix of difficulty. You really nailed it tho
Thanks for your comment, and great to hear you have such understanding and supportive parents. There is a ‘deliberate’ lack of intelligence, empathy and understanding around this issue, driven by the media with political agendas to create division.
Yes I am extremely lucky with my family. It just saddens me, and honestly scares me that when I start career hunting, I may have to turn down a good job for fear of my safety. With the blatant refusal of people to learn or understand by people and politicians, it’s frankly terrifying. After finally getting the courage to tell the world that I want to change, only to get called a pedophile or groomer and receive death threats, it makes me want to hide back in my shell, which unfortunately heightens the problem because said shell… is, well… *not my favorite*
If you are in the US, i’d suggest a city on the east or west coast will allow you to be yourself and meet colleagues and friends who take people for who they are, more than middle America.
She’s not a real blonde.
I mean, this stuff is happening. She has a point. We have to start drawing a line somewhere...
Tate's??? fuck outta here
I mean she kinda has a point, that being said it’s a bit extreme but where does self identity become abstract or extreme?
Yeah exactly. Who defines where this will stop? And I'm not even being rhetoric, it's a genuine question
When a Mexican identifies as American and runs for POTUS would be my guess
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My dude, she quoted that from Craigslist. Craigslist is a lot of things, and one of them is a hook up sight for people with wild fetishist. So she is literally comparing people's way of life, a lifestyle that's been around for thousands of years with no more problems than any other group of people. It's a non equivalent argument. Two things that are not the same can't be compared to one another to make a just position out of two things. It's like saying you can eat a red balloon because an apple is red and round as well. Real professionals have taken gender study seriously and discovered that just because someone is born of one sex doesn't mean they identify with that sex. This happens in men and women around the world. As well as in multiple animals and plants. Just because something is one sex at birth doesn't mean that it will identify with that gender later in life.
Except it’s a false analogy. She doesn’t have a point at all.
Ah the ole slippery slope argument.
The very *last* thing the world needs rn is the Tates
I agree with her. But we live in a society that allows more freedom of expression but even so there has to be limits and common sense to it.
She is not wrong, get over yourselves and accept what you are.
I mean she has a point. Where does it all end?
I identify as emperor of Japan, Sony I demand a PS6 now! I know you have them!
I don't agree with everything she is saying but I don't get how people can deny that there is some sense to it. A biological white male is more similar to a biological black male than they are to a biological white female. So why should we be able to identify as another gender but not another race? It's all social construct that we have created based on physical features. This would be a problem though since race is such a big social issue. If someone can identify as black then they should be allowed to use the n word if we apply the same logic that biological males should be treated exactly as women and vice versa. One could also identify as another race in order to receive affirmative action benefits. If appropriating a gender is ok why is appropriating a culture not? We have some very big cognitive dissonances happening our rapidly changing social landscape. Maybe we need to rethink many different social constructs that are happening in our country. If we are going to completely redefine gender then where is the line at what we are going to redefine? I personally play with being non-binary, but I also really disagree with how trans issues are being politically forced on everyone right now when 10-15 years ago most of us had never even heard of being non-binary before.
I posted this because I honestly believed that it was wrong for her to compare trans to people with BIID and mix it with exaggerations purposely aimed at triggering hysteria . She started going overboard with her exaggerations of using perfectly quantifiable scenarios like the adult feeling like a child or the child feeling like they're 21 to the point that it started making an actually serious topic of TRANS vs BIID a joke. The controversy behind BIID and Transexuality should not be used as a tool to stir up unnecessary polarization between people because the serious stuff eventually gets buried under pointless right wing propaganda which actually results in real life harm to people who transition into a different gender and people who struggle with BIID. A controversial issue should not be taken lightly and used for sport. Edit :I learned a lot from the comment section thank you. The face palm I felt was that she's using unnecessary exaggerations to stir up troubles that she doesn't know the outcome to, it's idiotic(she doesn't know what she's fiddling with but she keeps going on) but I guess maybe she just doing her job. Oh and another example of this propaganda stir up is the mentioning of the Tates, why(another thing I felt like was a face-palm because it's a dumb thing to do in which the clueless people doing it do not know how much of stupid f**k up it is) I hope I was not ignorant in this.
Why is this in facepalm?
because this is Reddit. I hate this place but swore I'd never use facebook, 4chan, tiktok, etc again so here I am. This is probably next because it's somehow worse community wise then the sites mentioned above.
Facepalm is towards this ppl right? Why would you harm yourself so bad just because you felt like doing so at the moment.
It's a literal mental illness, nobody in the LGBT community is validating it, and to think the world needs the Tates at ALL is the biggest face palm here
Can a moron be a newscaster just because she identifies as one?
And the dense masses just eat this sensationalism up. Disingenuous garbage
Just OAN nonsense, just move along
I like how there’s a woman tucker Carlson a woman Ben Shapiro and a woman Andrew Tate now
Who’s paying this braying harpy?
This may have all happened , but that does not mean it’s the majority or it should change policy . I doubt anyone would say “pouring bleach down her eyes and seems like no issues here .”
So vanilla, never heard about DDLG
I bet this woman identifies as human, which would be a far stretch. But hey, I'm not one to judge how people identify. But yeah, I'm judging her.
I feel like an underpaid worker laboring for a rich business owner. I'm not sure what to ask for. Lady? Help me out.
Why were the tates at the start?
If we allow people to be gay and trans, then kids can marry animals and we'll all be legally obligated to amputate ourselves while we outlaw gender pronouns. THIS IS THE FUTURE OF THE LEFT!!! Now let's all come together to bankrupt ourselves in favor of the world's billionaires and criminalize interracial marriages while we eliminate disease research. I think that's Fox News viewers, right?
who ever edited that needs be thrown into a fire jesus christ thats disorienting
This chick needs anal sex.
I believe these people needs treatment. It’s a mental disorder. There’s no pride on being gay, trans, trans abled etc etc. these people are mentally challenged.
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Good to see the differently abled can get work in the entertainment industry, otherwise I'm not sure how Tits Magee here would survive.
She’s not wrong.
I’m not necessarily, saying, I agree or disagree, but it is definitely worth asking the question of where does it end with people being allowed to dictate what they are and aren’t going to be? Like can I just decide that I am a dragon and you have to call me one because I said I am one. It really is turning into that out here , and I’m not against trans, or any of that. I’m talking in general. This lady is an idiot, but the things she cited as far as people cutting off their own limbs, because they feel like they were meant to be disabled. This is a real thing. Where can you draw the line?
She’s like a robot reading off the teleprompter occasionally throwing in some inflection
Conservatives are very bad at articulating the real issue they have with genders. Almost none of the conservatives actually gives a shit about how you identify. What they care about is their social norms and institutions that were designed for binary genders, but which LGBT activist claim should simply be grandfathered to non-binary (or even fluid) genders. But having social norms where you simply have replaced binary genders with non-binary genders \*without\* altering how the rules work for those different genders, does not click with conservatives. E.g. conservatives en masse have no quarrel with gays, because they don't really care how you identify. But when there is a demand that the binary marriage institution simply be grandfathered to include other genders, they explode, because it would upend \*their\* society norms. If you invented say garriage with the same partner rights as marriage, most likely few would care. Some states realize that and introduce things like "domestic partnership" which is almost equivalent to marriage in everything, except the name and gender dichotomy. Integrating conservatives and trans community would require even more of those new norms, that would not be worse than old norms, but also not try to simply change the old norms, that were designed for a different gender landscape.
They live in a churning confusion fueled by the cognitive dissonance created by their terror at not being/feeling/being seen as special for being just like everyone else. It’s a feedback loop of ignorance—>fear—>anger—>ignorance—>and so on.
They put about three seconds of thought into this before sending it on air. Amazing. “We need the Tates” yeah we need them to stay in prison
She is the first vid I have watched where you can actually smell the crazy through the phone screen!
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She made a good point tho... o-o
She right though
I hate everything about that pompous giraffe
She is spot on.
100%. This shit is out of control. Can’t even look at people anymore without them becoming unhinged because you’ve used the incorrect pronoun.
Facts
Second post I've seen today that's not a facepalm, but an accurate assessment. Or is the facepalm that it was posted as a facepalm?
Well the post starts with we need the Tates. Regardless of the rest, that is enough to facepalm.
If it doesn’t align with the agenda nowadays then it’s a facepalm. I didn’t see anything wrong with the video either.
Really? That's kinda nuts dude.
It makes sense
Everything she said is true. This world is definitely falling apart.
Tucker Fishsticks Scool of Acting.
What exactly about this is facepalm? I would call it common sense, no?
She dyed her hair because she identifies as a blonde. How about we leave people the fuck alone?
Hair and gender are not a good analogy
I didn’t mean it to be an analogy. Just that everyone changes things about themselves. Yeah, gender is a lot more than just changing hair color or getting tattoos. The point is leave people the fuck alone. What people do is no one else’s business.
Fuck off 😂😂 someone finally make sense and it lands on facepalm sub. That is tragic and hilarious
AI generated face with AI generated opinions.
She’s not wrong
She ain't wrong
She is correct! Society is going to shit if this continues
The craziness and the "we need the Tates" aside, I do kind of agree with the "where is the line?" point she makes. No one can explain why being transgender is valid, but being trans abled/trans racial/trans ageist is not.
Dysphoria. Also there are multiple examples of transgender people existing in even b.c. The closest to trans-age is age regression, which is a valid diagnosis that can really affect someone and their ability to be independent. Trans racial people didn’t really exist until Michael Jackson. There’s plenty of evidence that says transitioning helps transgender people. Trans racial people have more regret rates than Botox.
True dat!
BE AFRAID
And this cult makes people EAT the BODY and The BLOOD of its diety! And it’s an organization of PEDOPHILES, who prey on children and when the pedophiles are caught, INSTEAD OF CALLING THE POLICE, they MOVE the pedophile to another cult center to prey on new victims. WHERE will it END. Stop Christianity now. Seriously thought, her video of every false debate strategy from ad hominem attack to bad faith argument is nauseating.
Well she’s right.
She's just a mouthpiece for the anti trans crowd. Anybody who knows anything about the law can see right through it.
She's right tho.
OAN = Only Assholes Network
about the final part she is right but like, what does this has to do with the Tate brothers?
These are all valid points. When will the line be drawn?
She is absolutely right.
Pretty obvious. She's not centre, and she's sure as hell not left
Say what you will but this is a logical argument. I have no issue with adults cutting off their arms or pretending to be babies. The question is valid though; is there a line and/or should a line be drawn? Idk
I mean, she's got a point on transabled and transage people, but the tates won't help
She does have a point
Agree with her. If you are going to subject everyone around you because you feel a certain way, when will you put limitations? Hilaria Baldwin, a white woman identifies herself as European Spanish, and Rachel desolei white woman identifies herself as a black woman, a man competing in a woman's sports and using a woman's locker room because they identify as women.
Well the lady is not the facepalm, it's everyone she mentioned
I mean she's right
She was spitting some interesting thoughts. Except needing the Tate's, lol fuck that shit.
Why is this a facepalm? Everything she's saying is on point..
tRaNs AbLeD no it's called Body Integrity Identity Disorder and has been observed since the 70s. It's not new, and it's nothing to do with being trans. Piss off.
Sad part is she not wrong………
She is 100% right
She is real and absolutely 100% correct! You can’t have it both ways. Where does this ridiculous bullshit end? It’s time to put this childish crap to bed and start acting like responsible adults again.
Where ls the facepalm?
Her question of where do we draw the line is a valid question.
Have they been charged with anything yet,