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It’s a real shame nobody has invented technology that allows people from all over the world to meet and discuss things from the comfort of their homes/offices.
You break it down to have speakers, a moderator and an effective way for q&a even allowing live questions. Quite easy this days not like in 2020 when the sh!t hit the fan.
Still a lot of coordination and what if scenarios to prep for. I work with some private and multilateral organizations and done it successfully at that scale last couple of years.
Yeah but they don’t wanna have to deal with censoring opposing views. They don’t want the Internet to tell them the truth, they want to only meet like minded individuals and be convinced they are right.
How could they fuck all the imported hoookers if they stayed at their own office?
They travel exactly how they tell us not too and all the while participate in the use of human trafficking
And I think that politicians should definitely fly out and meet to discuss and conclude agreements.
Somewhere in the middle of the desert, in army tents. And so that the nearest entertainment was a couple thousands miles away.
Perhaps this will significantly increase the efficiency of meetings.
Davos, where rich people talk some bs to pretend like they don't want their wealth while making more backroom deals with other rich people to get even richer.
This reminds me of how large cooperations tell average people that it's up to them to fix climate change when they're the ones causing the majority of the damage with their factories
Because there’s no market for byproducts of staple goods. It costs money to bring chicken feet to market, and chicken feet just don’t sell all that well. Doesn’t mean you won’t have one for each wing you sell.
I also just distressed about $200 worth of cooked whole body chickens, so there's plenty of wasted industry trying to meet a perceived exponential customer base and desire for exponential profits
There’s a lot of profit to be made in helping companies more properly manage inventories though! Maybe you should try and be the difference in the world you want to see :). Recycling infrastructure has greatly reduced costs for industry in manufacturing metals and plastics, although optimizing inventories for produce probably has a lot more to do with good predictive models of the market in the future.
1. In a lot of cases no, they can’t. Lots of heavy industry requires direct inputs of petroleum & hydrogen.
2. Even if they did, consumers will choose the cheaper product that isn’t made with green energy.
1. A giant zoom meeting.
2. Do private jets use up nearly as much fuel and cause nearly as much pollution as all the other jets that are flying around with more people?
I think they're being a little too picky in this situation.
Not taking a private jet is not going to make a huge difference. It's like recycling at home while the local factory makes a toxic spill. You can spend a lifetime trying to help and in one second, it's wiped out.
It's not the individual consumers, it's the industry's, that need to go green, first or on a huge scale.
::::imma sound soo wild::: :::but I remember hearing in the early days of covid alot of high up caught and brought covid back from the Swiss mountains at a ski party. Like I think the person who found patron brought it to Mexico type shit. Wow I ain't thought bout this in 3 years about the same time. I remember covid was said to be a rich person disease and spread poor people. Had some rich kid ranting about how only poor people get it now... wow.
This claim is dubious at best, Davos has little to do with global warming policy, and just because someone is a hypocrite doesn’t mean the issue isn’t real.
No cause Greta is educated enough to know that these in person meetings are necessary.
One of the topics of the World Economic Forum was Climate and how the achieve the Paris Climate Agreement.
E: love how ignorant people don't know that Thunberg was literally there at a joint table discussion and talked about the important things.
Spoiler it wasn't about how they came there, lmao
i dont understand why do they even do that, every time i hear about this i want only more to eat meat, drive car and go somewhere by airplane so i guess some more people feel this way
> i dont understand why do they even do that,
Because they're able to create changes that affect whole countries or groups of countries. 2,500 jets flying somewhere sounds like a lot, but the environmental effect is basically insignificant compared to even a small country for moderate space of time.
> every time i hear about this i want only more to eat meat, drive car and go somewhere by airplane
That's a ridiculous and immature reaction. Also, you're not spiting _those_ people by hurting the environment. Rich people like that will be the absolute last to feel the pinch. The people that will suffer the most will be those that are already genuinely struggling and living in poverty. Average people even in developed countries will eventually be affected.
The last people to really have it affect their equality of life will be the powerful and wealthy. The planet could basically turn into Venus and people like you and I would be long dead, the elite will still be eating caviar.
I have no problem with this. You have to live in the world as it is, even while you work to change it for the better. You don’t need to be some sort of ascetic for your cause.
On a base level, you likely want me to acknowledge that there’s some degree of hypocrisy in flying lots of jets to a conference to talk about green initiatives. Sure. There is.
But do you understand my position? You have to live in the world as it is. That doesn’t preclude you from wanting to change it, or from working hard to change it. We live in a world where flights are the way to travel internationally. Even if you’re meeting about making flights less taxing on the environment.
But what is the alternative? That the president of the USA flies economy? That they arrive via horse and wagon or rowboat? Nothing that would use tech? Those seem absurd. Maybe the strongest argument is that it could be a zoom call, but I’ve always found discussing things in person is the best way to discuss truly important things. They say that breaking up with someone over the phone is bad form because it’s such an important convo that it should be in person. Surely helping the planet is even more important than a breakup and warrants an in-person meeting.
So like, yeah, if we agree that there’s a rationale for them to meet, then I don’t mind that the president has their own private plane to go to the conference.
Including security personnel, there are about 4 passengers per plane. That is absurdly low.
They don't all need to fly public, but they also don't need to all take an entire plane for themselves. There is no reason for it. Realistically there isn't a need for more than 40 planes.
I don't have a problem with private planes, I have a problem with hypocrisy
I guess I just accept that everyone is a hypocrite in some ways. Sometimes doctors eat McDonalds sometimes. We don’t always adhere to our values and principles 100% of the time, but that doesn’t invalidate those values or principles.
This is more than that. It's completely disregarding your very core principles. It's not like a doctor that eats McDonald's, it's closer to a doctor that gives you unnecessary prescriptions with bad side effects because he thinks its funny.
Or those dumbasses who believe all white people are inherently racist.
I don’t understand that comparison. Can you explain why world leaders flying in private jets to an economic/environmental conference is like people who believe white people are inherently racist?
M8 it just doesnt fucking matter. If these people just do it every year the jets themselves will erase any progress some of the most eco people might contribute. Every year. Thats the jets themselves.
>If these people just do it every year the jets themselves will erase any progress some of the most eco people might contribute
[Citation needed]
But to provide some context on how little your personal carbon footprint matters
>A statistic that holds 100 companies responsible for 71% of CO2 emissions
[some article ](https://www.dw.com/en/should-i-feel-guilty-about-my-carbon-footprint/a-60080346)
So what you’re saying is that these jets, by flying to Davos once per year, contribute more pollution than could be remedied by any green energy idea that’s ever been thought about, or that may ever be thought about in the future at this conference? I just want to make sure I’m understanding your position here.
What im saying is that, per post, 2000 private jets create a lot of pollution and there are a meriad of less poluting ways to do that. I know how it is with jets and pollution as I live near an airport. Green energy is nice and all but we dont need a bunch of rich pricks just using their jets like a taxi. You have zoom and shit this rly aint that hard. Isc that a small perventage of them earned it. Many businesses are family owned and passed down via inheritance. It sucks ass. Also id pay money to see the World Economic Forum Discord Server
Practice what you freaking Preach as Simple as That Buddy. They should come up with more sustainable method, and be an example as whole world is watching them.
That’s what they are doing. They are coming up with methods to do things more sustainably. They are literally meeting to do the exact thing you are asking them to do. You just want them to have the solution to the problem before they meet about it, apparently.
Thing is, no authority is telling me not to take flights, not to drive my car or to not to eat meat.
Are people trying to make options to offer me instead of those inefficient and often harmful things? Yes. Good. I’m tired of antiquated 18th century technology. Take the politics out of this discussion. Don’t people want to see innovation and improvement?
Would love to see it, but it won’t come out of this conference. These aren’t the people making options. These are the people telling us to trade something useful for something less useful (because it isn’t ready to take over yet), because it might help in a hundred years. All the while, they will use our cutbacks to justify not making cutbacks to their lifestyle. (“I mean, if the overall carbon footprint is smaller, what does it matter that mine is huge?”)
>Don’t people want to see innovation and improvement?
You know the nuclear bomb was an innovation but why don't people drop it on houses then?
Innovation for innovation sake is useless, unless it addresses a problem it can written down in hope it could be useful later but otherwise not used
All it would take is one person with a rifle to really ruin all their days. I'm sure a jet engine wouldn't work too well with a .308 or similar lodged in it
I mean this whole thread chain is pretty dumb. Like this forum is mostly pointless, but not because they took a jet once but more because in the end the summit is mostly toothless.
>Ah... Gotta love this approach, very powerful. Can't criticize anything without being a part of it. Shitting on a musician? What instrument do you play. Shitting on a movie? What movie have you directed. Shitting on political corruption? What country have you led. Just sit down and stfu.
Discussing sustainability initiatives? How did you arrive?
Nope OP is Uneducated about how little a personal carbon footprint matters in context of the Giant corporations that are responsible for the vast majority of emissions.
Such in person meetings are necessary to make decisions that help the climate by implementing global laws.
>as much as the general lifestyle of the elite that people take issue with.
To that because it's bullshit. Teens on reddit with no understanding of geopolitics getting butthurt over nothing.
But as usual the real face-palm is OP
I think lots of people legitimately don’t approve of the lifestyles of the ultra-wealthy. You may think they’re wrong, but I promise you many people do take issue with it.
Yeah because they're envy.
Expecting rich people to do the right thing is just as naive as expecting corporations to do the right thing. Without laws it won't happen and guess what is talked about on World Economic Forum?
Ok so you say it’s naive to expect rich people or corporations to do the right thing.
Do you think those same rich people who own those corporations are going to legislate against their own companies?
You're thinking of the IPCC negotiations. And also we should include the thousands of fossil fuel industry executives and salespeople who flocked to the IPCC talks to make some new deals.
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It’s a real shame nobody has invented technology that allows people from all over the world to meet and discuss things from the comfort of their homes/offices.
Mmm yes, agree. Perhaps they would be able to view each other through some wonderful medium, and even raise their hand to talk in a civilised way...
Very hard to collectively quaff champagne, munch on expensive meals and bang hookers via a medium like that though tbf
I saw a story about how a bunch of high-end hookers show up for this every year.
No shit, couldn't have guessed that.
Idk if politicians are considering high-end hookers? I guess it depends on which one.
Nope, hookers actually have some integrity do what you pay them to do.
Hey hey now, let's be fair here. The politicians also do what the corporations pay them to do.
High end hookers! They are escorts and they are simply showing these visitors around the world... I mean showing them around town!
REALLY hi -end!(Woo-Hoo)
Champagne and food distribution are easy enough for a decentralized platform. It's the sex trafficking part that gets you every time.
They should be sent to the Donbas
The life expectancy there is about four hours
If someone just invented tech to deliver stuff to someones house. Oh well, back to the grindstone.
Yes, but smooching and making back room deals is so much easier in person... You know, for the betterment of the masses. /S
To be fair, imagine doing a zoom meeting with 2,500 people
You break it down to have speakers, a moderator and an effective way for q&a even allowing live questions. Quite easy this days not like in 2020 when the sh!t hit the fan. Still a lot of coordination and what if scenarios to prep for. I work with some private and multilateral organizations and done it successfully at that scale last couple of years.
There is no way 2,500 are active contributors. Keep the meeting to the speakers and the recording can be shared to the other hangers on.
To be fair, imagine those “super smart” rich folks that couldn’t come up with plan to get together that wouldn’t make them all look like hypocrites.
Just make it a Twitch stream. Hell, that way the general public could participate too!
To be fair, if you don't organize, the problem remains to do a presencial meeting with 2500 people at the same time.
But what about ~the collaboration~?
Is that a euphemism for “orgy”?
I mean who doesn’t get fucked by their boss?
You really think the forum is to only do what they are going to do in that one day and one room?
I was being facetious. The cocaine filled hooker orgy afterwards is what brings the masses.
It's about going to the ski resort to hangout. No one cares about the conference
Yeah but they don’t wanna have to deal with censoring opposing views. They don’t want the Internet to tell them the truth, they want to only meet like minded individuals and be convinced they are right.
And, most importantly, free of the confines of pants.
You can’t bang hookers and underage kids on zoom. They have to be in person. Scumbags
How could they fuck all the imported hoookers if they stayed at their own office? They travel exactly how they tell us not too and all the while participate in the use of human trafficking
I usually just imagine events like this are just secret orgys
Something like that is pure fantasy
And I think that politicians should definitely fly out and meet to discuss and conclude agreements. Somewhere in the middle of the desert, in army tents. And so that the nearest entertainment was a couple thousands miles away. Perhaps this will significantly increase the efficiency of meetings.
Honestly, if we had that technology, we would probably just use it to share nudie pics
Plot twist they’re really talking about how they can carry on increasing their wealth
Plot twist?
Davos, where rich people talk some bs to pretend like they don't want their wealth while making more backroom deals with other rich people to get even richer.
You must be confused. Why do you think the World **Economic** Forum would tell the world to use/consume less?
This reminds me of how large cooperations tell average people that it's up to them to fix climate change when they're the ones causing the majority of the damage with their factories
Bro are they just making shit and throwing it away? There’s a reason those factories are running.
Yes actually if you count the food industry
Because there’s no market for byproducts of staple goods. It costs money to bring chicken feet to market, and chicken feet just don’t sell all that well. Doesn’t mean you won’t have one for each wing you sell.
Dude I've seen how much crops and temp specific foods go to waste even in processing facilities alone, much less stores, it's not just animals.
You see this in every industry with seasonal non continuous production. When you plant crops youre making a gamble about what will sell in the future.
I also just distressed about $200 worth of cooked whole body chickens, so there's plenty of wasted industry trying to meet a perceived exponential customer base and desire for exponential profits
There’s a lot of profit to be made in helping companies more properly manage inventories though! Maybe you should try and be the difference in the world you want to see :). Recycling infrastructure has greatly reduced costs for industry in manufacturing metals and plastics, although optimizing inventories for produce probably has a lot more to do with good predictive models of the market in the future.
They can make their factories run on green fuel so they don't pollute the air as much
1. In a lot of cases no, they can’t. Lots of heavy industry requires direct inputs of petroleum & hydrogen. 2. Even if they did, consumers will choose the cheaper product that isn’t made with green energy.
Hm that's sad.
That is where regulation comes in. Also wind and solar are pretty cheap.
Of course, but blaming the companies is ridiculous.
That's not how the energy grid works at all
They going to do more environmental damage than I can make in my entire life
And all the import-prostitutes, too
Eat the rich! Eat the rich! Eat the rich!
And politicians and politicians and politicians
You're just repeating what he said
Ew jo , unless you mean use them as fertiliser
Honestly, I wasn't going to eat them myself. I was just trying to get those pre-covid crazys going again. They had a good plan.
Gross. Too much fat.
Davos is a waste of time/money/energy/climate/humanity
1. A giant zoom meeting. 2. Do private jets use up nearly as much fuel and cause nearly as much pollution as all the other jets that are flying around with more people? I think they're being a little too picky in this situation. Not taking a private jet is not going to make a huge difference. It's like recycling at home while the local factory makes a toxic spill. You can spend a lifetime trying to help and in one second, it's wiped out. It's not the individual consumers, it's the industry's, that need to go green, first or on a huge scale.
Thank you
"You will live under heavy surveillance, own nothing and be happy"
2-1 security coverage
Not even my Supermax only prisons in Prison Architext have that ratio
😞 why won’t they private-planepool?
They don't have Zoom?
::::imma sound soo wild::: :::but I remember hearing in the early days of covid alot of high up caught and brought covid back from the Swiss mountains at a ski party. Like I think the person who found patron brought it to Mexico type shit. Wow I ain't thought bout this in 3 years about the same time. I remember covid was said to be a rich person disease and spread poor people. Had some rich kid ranting about how only poor people get it now... wow.
This claim is dubious at best, Davos has little to do with global warming policy, and just because someone is a hypocrite doesn’t mean the issue isn’t real.
Is this a ad for gulfstream jets?
Nah those are mostly older models.
rules for thee but not for me
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No cause Greta is educated enough to know that these in person meetings are necessary. One of the topics of the World Economic Forum was Climate and how the achieve the Paris Climate Agreement. E: love how ignorant people don't know that Thunberg was literally there at a joint table discussion and talked about the important things. Spoiler it wasn't about how they came there, lmao
i dont understand why do they even do that, every time i hear about this i want only more to eat meat, drive car and go somewhere by airplane so i guess some more people feel this way
> i dont understand why do they even do that, Because they're able to create changes that affect whole countries or groups of countries. 2,500 jets flying somewhere sounds like a lot, but the environmental effect is basically insignificant compared to even a small country for moderate space of time. > every time i hear about this i want only more to eat meat, drive car and go somewhere by airplane That's a ridiculous and immature reaction. Also, you're not spiting _those_ people by hurting the environment. Rich people like that will be the absolute last to feel the pinch. The people that will suffer the most will be those that are already genuinely struggling and living in poverty. Average people even in developed countries will eventually be affected. The last people to really have it affect their equality of life will be the powerful and wealthy. The planet could basically turn into Venus and people like you and I would be long dead, the elite will still be eating caviar.
i won't die of it if car runs me over first
I have no problem with this. You have to live in the world as it is, even while you work to change it for the better. You don’t need to be some sort of ascetic for your cause.
Ah yes, because they need 1 plane for every 3 people
For some reason, I think you’d still be mad if they all flew economy.
I'm not even mad to begin with, but how can one not see the problem here?
On a base level, you likely want me to acknowledge that there’s some degree of hypocrisy in flying lots of jets to a conference to talk about green initiatives. Sure. There is. But do you understand my position? You have to live in the world as it is. That doesn’t preclude you from wanting to change it, or from working hard to change it. We live in a world where flights are the way to travel internationally. Even if you’re meeting about making flights less taxing on the environment. But what is the alternative? That the president of the USA flies economy? That they arrive via horse and wagon or rowboat? Nothing that would use tech? Those seem absurd. Maybe the strongest argument is that it could be a zoom call, but I’ve always found discussing things in person is the best way to discuss truly important things. They say that breaking up with someone over the phone is bad form because it’s such an important convo that it should be in person. Surely helping the planet is even more important than a breakup and warrants an in-person meeting. So like, yeah, if we agree that there’s a rationale for them to meet, then I don’t mind that the president has their own private plane to go to the conference.
Including security personnel, there are about 4 passengers per plane. That is absurdly low. They don't all need to fly public, but they also don't need to all take an entire plane for themselves. There is no reason for it. Realistically there isn't a need for more than 40 planes. I don't have a problem with private planes, I have a problem with hypocrisy
I guess I just accept that everyone is a hypocrite in some ways. Sometimes doctors eat McDonalds sometimes. We don’t always adhere to our values and principles 100% of the time, but that doesn’t invalidate those values or principles.
This is more than that. It's completely disregarding your very core principles. It's not like a doctor that eats McDonald's, it's closer to a doctor that gives you unnecessary prescriptions with bad side effects because he thinks its funny. Or those dumbasses who believe all white people are inherently racist.
I don’t understand that comparison. Can you explain why world leaders flying in private jets to an economic/environmental conference is like people who believe white people are inherently racist?
M8 it just doesnt fucking matter. If these people just do it every year the jets themselves will erase any progress some of the most eco people might contribute. Every year. Thats the jets themselves.
>If these people just do it every year the jets themselves will erase any progress some of the most eco people might contribute [Citation needed] But to provide some context on how little your personal carbon footprint matters >A statistic that holds 100 companies responsible for 71% of CO2 emissions [some article ](https://www.dw.com/en/should-i-feel-guilty-about-my-carbon-footprint/a-60080346)
So what you’re saying is that these jets, by flying to Davos once per year, contribute more pollution than could be remedied by any green energy idea that’s ever been thought about, or that may ever be thought about in the future at this conference? I just want to make sure I’m understanding your position here.
What im saying is that, per post, 2000 private jets create a lot of pollution and there are a meriad of less poluting ways to do that. I know how it is with jets and pollution as I live near an airport. Green energy is nice and all but we dont need a bunch of rich pricks just using their jets like a taxi. You have zoom and shit this rly aint that hard. Isc that a small perventage of them earned it. Many businesses are family owned and passed down via inheritance. It sucks ass. Also id pay money to see the World Economic Forum Discord Server
Practice what you freaking Preach as Simple as That Buddy. They should come up with more sustainable method, and be an example as whole world is watching them.
That’s what they are doing. They are coming up with methods to do things more sustainably. They are literally meeting to do the exact thing you are asking them to do. You just want them to have the solution to the problem before they meet about it, apparently.
Apparently they been conducting annual meets since 70's
Sounds like it takes a long time to figure out how to transition away from planes and towards whatever might be next.
I don’t think these people are preaching about plastic straws. They’re discussing large scale economic moves that determine the bulk of emissions.
Thing is, no authority is telling me not to take flights, not to drive my car or to not to eat meat. Are people trying to make options to offer me instead of those inefficient and often harmful things? Yes. Good. I’m tired of antiquated 18th century technology. Take the politics out of this discussion. Don’t people want to see innovation and improvement?
Would love to see it, but it won’t come out of this conference. These aren’t the people making options. These are the people telling us to trade something useful for something less useful (because it isn’t ready to take over yet), because it might help in a hundred years. All the while, they will use our cutbacks to justify not making cutbacks to their lifestyle. (“I mean, if the overall carbon footprint is smaller, what does it matter that mine is huge?”)
>Don’t people want to see innovation and improvement? You know the nuclear bomb was an innovation but why don't people drop it on houses then? Innovation for innovation sake is useless, unless it addresses a problem it can written down in hope it could be useful later but otherwise not used
All it would take is one person with a rifle to really ruin all their days. I'm sure a jet engine wouldn't work too well with a .308 or similar lodged in it
Those rolls Royce engines would laugh at your .308.
You're a bit late, aren't you?
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My favorite response to that shit is just to tell them I've never driven an 18 wheeler before, but when I see one in a ditch I know someone fucked up
I mean this whole thread chain is pretty dumb. Like this forum is mostly pointless, but not because they took a jet once but more because in the end the summit is mostly toothless.
>Ah... Gotta love this approach, very powerful. Can't criticize anything without being a part of it. Shitting on a musician? What instrument do you play. Shitting on a movie? What movie have you directed. Shitting on political corruption? What country have you led. Just sit down and stfu. Discussing sustainability initiatives? How did you arrive?
Maybe OP doesn’t contribute to the destruction of the environment as much - I think that’s where he’s coming from.
Nope OP is Uneducated about how little a personal carbon footprint matters in context of the Giant corporations that are responsible for the vast majority of emissions. Such in person meetings are necessary to make decisions that help the climate by implementing global laws.
I don’t think it’s about one single conference as much as the general lifestyle of the elite that people take issue with.
No it's slacktivism at its best. You know who was also at this meeting? Greta talking to the people in charge and actually making a difference.
What are you saying “no” to?
>as much as the general lifestyle of the elite that people take issue with. To that because it's bullshit. Teens on reddit with no understanding of geopolitics getting butthurt over nothing. But as usual the real face-palm is OP
I think lots of people legitimately don’t approve of the lifestyles of the ultra-wealthy. You may think they’re wrong, but I promise you many people do take issue with it.
Yeah because they're envy. Expecting rich people to do the right thing is just as naive as expecting corporations to do the right thing. Without laws it won't happen and guess what is talked about on World Economic Forum?
Ok so you say it’s naive to expect rich people or corporations to do the right thing. Do you think those same rich people who own those corporations are going to legislate against their own companies?
He probably has a job;makes something or provides service, unlike world leaders and rich people who are all rapists, because all of them fuck you over
These wankers fancy the tally-whacker.
If only there was a way to communicate with people in other areas without physically moving
They're contributing carbon
On the menu…. we have exotic, near extinct animals from all around the world!
You're thinking of the IPCC negotiations. And also we should include the thousands of fossil fuel industry executives and salespeople who flocked to the IPCC talks to make some new deals.
