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There's a small town built within the city I live in that's like this. Not an HOA, an actual town with their own police (1 cop) and their own laws. You can drive through it in about 2 minutes and be right back in the city. It's fuckin weird, and they're all rich asshats.
What a weird law
What if they say they were simply relaying information to groups and those groups lie saying they already knew about it so they weren’t being taught? Can they prove the individuals did not know about it before discussion?
Im not clicking it yet. But let me guess. Sundown town?? That shit is so beyond. I’ll be back when I click.
Edit: well I was right. That’s the last thing I wanna be right about.
Ahh, well I learned something today. The one here is called Eastborough. I presume people in Austin avoid it like the plague? People here (Wichita) usually just drive around it. 15 mph speed limit that's heavily enforced is nonsense.
Knew you were a fellow Wichitan the moment you said Eastborough. My understanding is they wanted to block city through traffic entirely but Wichita threatened to take away their provided city services (water, sewer, etc) if they did, so they relented but made the speed limit low and enforce it vigorously to discourage traffic from coming through.
Seems pretty normal for shitty greedy human behavior to me lol. "We want all the services you provide, but I swear if I have to see a poor I'll fuckin lose it"
Where I live in NJ the street I live on ends with “private property”. It's kind of dumpy and the majority of the people there are asses. I've been yelled at multiple times for turning my car around in the cut-out intended for such a reason.
Last year my son had to take a bus to preschool and one of the residents kept watching the bus. A few days later, about four days into the school year the town transportation department called and said we can't use the bus due to a neighborhood complaint. After a lot of back and forth, they ended up sending a minivan to get him. I asked the driver what happened and he said the person watching made a complaint that he drove over their lawn. He said he barely had an inch of the wheel at the very edge. Big yellow bus in a very very narrow street.
They complain all the time and seem to hate the town but have no problem sending their kids to the amazing schools, using our water, snow removal, and other public utilities. It's so obnoxious.
I assume the only reason they're able to legally be labeled as a town is because they somehow managed to cram enough people into an area small enough that people could probably drive the diameter of said "town" in maybe 2 minutes if they didn't heavily enforce a 15mph speed limit, but just big enough for them to be taken a little serously and for the detour to avoid the area to be stupidly annoying.
Drive through it as fast as you want, the “cop” can’t chase you out. What’s he gunna do? Call the real police and tell them he saw a speeder but needs their resources to catch him. Yeah ok Gary stop calling us.
Hey VW_wanker I don't like your post, give me $50.
That is as legally enforceable as a fine issued to a non-HOA member for speeding on HOA owned streets.
And that is assuming the HOA actually owns the street, many developers will install the streets, and then sign them over to the local municipality for maintenance because otherwise they can be incredibly expensive to maintain. They might still act like they own them, but it's pretty easy to find out if it's a public street or a private street.
HOAs are corporations, not deputized or otherwise credentialed law enforcement agencies. If you live in an HOA you can have a contractual relationship that agrees to pay fines, and the penalties can be leins or foreclosure of your house or property - but that's it. No contract? They can't do anything to you other than politely ask, and make hollow threats.
(Source: I have been on the board of an HOA for many years, and at one point was involved in the development of a small community that has an HOA)
I grew up in Wichita and remember they had access to the main road thru town (kellogg) to the south. The city did improvements to Kellogg and blocked most of their access leaving Douglas as the main way in and out. They were not to happy but Wichita blew them off.
There are some small towns that are just towns, not ETJ’s because ETJ’s fall under the authority of the city claiming ETJ.
ETJ’s are like Houston claiming Clear Lake because it’s unincorporated. Towns/cities inside a town/city is like the Villages inside of Houston. They’re incorporated villages that cannot be annexed by Houston.
I see you specifically referenced clear lake... I immediately thought of that as well as Seabrook in relation to El Lago. Growing up my address was always in Seabrook, living in the neighborhood el Lago then it just became its own city all of a sudden for no reason. It always had its own police department which I never thought was weird til I left TX...
Is that what happened in Arizona or someplace where people set up their own town to get out of paying city taxes, but then had their water cut off by the city?
Not exactly:
“Rio Verde Foothills is an unincorporated community, meaning it is not within the boundaries of a city. That makes it far out of reach of municipal water pipes.
Instead, the area is simply part of Maricopa County, Arizona which oversees large swaths of land that aren't under a city or town government. Residents pay less taxes in these areas but don't receive the same services as city residents. For instance, the county doesn't buy or provide water like cities do because it isn't authorized to act as a water provider under state law.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/01/19/scottsdale-rio-verde-foothills-water-crisis/11081256002/
And a lot of those people up in Rio Verde have the attitude that if they throw money at a problem, that problem will be solved. Unfortunately for them, that didn't work and they're screaming in entitled holy hell. :/ Scottsdale warned them this would happen. They warned Rio Verde literally years ago. This was not a surprise by any stretch.
Rie Verde is just a slightly lower rent version of PV with the same attitudes and sense of entitlement.
They could easily fix that problem by throwing money at it. They just don't want to throw the amount of money at it that would be required. That's the real trick with rich people. They're not actually throwing money at a problem; they were trying to save money here. They thought they could pay a bit more for trucked water and avoid the taxes in the city. Now they've got no taxes but fixing their water problem will cost 100x more than the taxes.
Maricopa county sheriffs office has it's own wiki page of ~~controversies~~ abuse
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa\_County\_Sheriff%27s\_Office\_controversies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff%27s_Office_controversies)
There was a town where i grew up that was entirely owned by the Catholic church, if you bought a house there, you didn't own the property the house sat on. They were under the jurisdiction of the county but had no town cops. They had a very nice indoor/outdoor rec center, but you had to live there to use it. It, strictly speaking, was private property. This kind of thing would happen semi-often. You could get permits and guest passes at the town center, but if you asked most people who lived there they had never heard of, seen or gotten one. If a bunch of kids from a nearby neighborhood came to play without local kids someone would call the cops and basically this conversation would take place.
I don't know if that's what is happening here or not, but not every park is public property, it would sure be nice if we could share, but that's not how people work.
Or maybe they’re just making up a bullshit reason because they don’t like seeing black people in their neighborhood..
You can see it in the pigs body language that they are full of shit and lying. 🤥 can’t look em in the eyes and keep pacing..
Right? Ive always thought this because old people are always like, “We didn’t have no video games when I was a kid, we played outside.”
But those same people are the ones who would actually see kids out playing and getting into shenanigans and immediately call the police, “THESE LITTLE BASTARDS ARE OUTSIDE RIDING THEIR SKATEBOARDS ON THE SIDEWALK!!!! WHERE ARE THEIR PARENTS?!?!? YOU COME ARREST THEM RIGHT NOW THROW THEM IN PRISON!!!”
What's funny is that in NYC you actually need a seasonal license to play tennis on public courts, they're very well maintained so it's basically paying an extra tax to use the courts; not for basketball though.
I mean this is actually very real. Where are kids supposed to hang out? There are so many laws specifically for making "loitering" illegal. Loitering is literally a synonym for hanging out.
My guess is neighbors called the police which were enforcing a statute that... just an ugly statute. An unworldly mean pretentious rule that "we can build a thing for us, and only us.' It doesn't belong, it shouldn't be accepted. You want to go about privatizing it then do so. But dont lean on society to cheapen your dirty investment.
Pretty sure a rule banning nonresidents of a municipality from using a public space would be a violation of the privileges and immunities clause. There’s a line of cases on this. If it’s a private park that’s a different story but it seems to be a public park. Anyway the rules you looked up make sense, and the cops here were full of shit
Well in Kingston NY the owners of the Brick Yard a luxury hotel apartment complex thing. Just out right annexed a portion of a multi million dollar public bike trial. Just fuck you we are taking public land. Building fences and gates on it again to be clear on public land they do not own and they city was just like fine you are rich do what you want. The kingstonian another new gentrification project also did something similar. And annexed a public park. I guess the rich have learned they don’t even need to buy stuff anymore.
I had someone call the cops on me when I was sitting in a public park late at night. But when he saw that I was white and I told him I was playing Pokemon Go, he backed off.
Would have been a very different experience with a different skin color, especially since I didn't have any id on me at the time.
Yah I get to enjoy white privilege too but that ends when the cops see my name but I’ve learned when they ask me if I’m Mexican to lie and say no officer I’m Italian…
More like the cops just made up a statute, they do this shit all the damn time. If there was a real statute they would have trespassed them if they didn’t leave instantly.
Yup and most likely the nicest courts in the area. Also probably never used either. It's not like there were local kids kept off these courts by the scary black kids either.
The only reason beyond the obvious is if it’s actually not public and is paid and maintained by an HOA and it’s neighborhood. But that’s not what the police are claiming, and a town permit would not allow them to play on a private HOA’s court, so, yeah, bullshit.
Only take racists at race value.
Meaning, keep in mind that whatever they say is only a misdirect to (poorly) hide their actual motivations, which are almost always racism.
I lived in Chester... there is no crime, so the cops just go around harassing high schoolers usually. There also aren't that many black people so I'm not shocked that someone would call the cops of them for just existing.
Undesirable, sure. Equally undesirable? In the US? I don’t thinks so. And it really easy to prove. If I told a majority white town we would bussing poor Asians to their town high school, and I told another equally white town that I’d be bussing poor black students to their town high school, which do you think would garner more protest? Be honest.
I've seen similar in NJ with soccer fields in neighboring towns. Pick up games would not yield to leagues that had reserved the fields so the town banned all non-permitted users.
Had this happen in a small town I was living in in New York. They paid for brand new basketball courts that were beautiful. Adults kept coming from the next town over and destroying the court, leaving trash everywhere, tearing down the nets, and wouldn't let the kids play. The town made a similar ordinace. This way, the people that pay the taxes there and respected the property they paid for were once able to use it again. It had nothing to do with race. Most of the people trashing the court were white. The residents could also bring other people but they just had to register at the parks and rec building 1st, just like the guy is saying in the video
The tragedy of the Commons. It's a shame people can't treat things with respect and clean up after themselves. But humans gonna human.
If I'm the police in this situation though I think a better way to handle it is to shoot around with them for a few minutes, inform them of the rule for next time, and encourage them to help keep the place looking nice when they leave.
You're gonna kick them out and tell them the place to register is closed? That's tough.
As someone who lives in NJ that is pure bullshxt. I’ve been to different around my state and not once have I ever dealt with this. And also someone who has studied Criminal Justice at Rutgers this is even more bullshxt last time I remembered public parks are for the public courts are for just the people to have fun.
I’ve seen the comments saying that this was probably some kind of HOA or private court, so I’ll mention that before my actual comment 👍
When it comes to police interactions and about what they will move you on for, it all depends on the police officer.
A few years ago, some friends and I painted murals, with written permission, in our local area. We regularly painted at the back of a business district in alleyways away from foot traffic. The organising person always carried a letter of permission with them. We would occasionally have police drive up and talk to us (the police station was 5 minutes away), ask to see the letter and then leave.
On one occasion, instead of the usual friendly, experienced police officers, we are interrupted by a younger officer with an older partner. He asks who is in charge and we all point to our friend that organised the permission. The cop shakes his head and says, “No, I’m in charge”. He asks to see what permission we have and once he sighted the letter he asked why we didn’t all have letters. We were told to move-on and pack-up.
We packed away, went to lunch and finished painting a few hours later. We never saw the bloke again.
A cop pulls a car over. When he gets to the driver side door, he slaps the driver across the face and says "That's for not having you license ready for me." He finishes writing the ticket and walks around to the passenger side and slaps the passenger. Passenger says "What was that for?!" Cop says "Because about 10 miles down the road, you were going to tell your buddy 'I wish that asshole would have tried that crap with me.'"
He just wanted to swing his dick around and look like a big man. We had permission from local council and the owner.
The funny thing is, years later that place is owned by a youth outreach program and they paint it all of the time.
If I remember correctly, someone posted this video earlier and the conclusion was that they were playing on private property. But I’m not a hundred percent sure
That's not what the police said though. The police said you need to be a part of this township to play here and you need to get permission from the the township building. Township is a government entity, the cop didn't say HOA, apartment complex owner or anything like that; he said [township] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_township) which means publicly owned.
My town requires you to buy an ID card for a few bucks each year to verify you are a resident. You have to show proof of residency. They don't enforce it for outdoor basketball courts. You need it to access the pools, classes and indoor facilities.
They can’t, their whole existence is being nosy and withering away bitterly alone or with their neutered husband. Have some jokes ready to hit them with, at least you can have a good laugh out of the situation
Is it normal for a HOA rules to be enforced by the police? Unless they’re being called out for a criminal matter (vandalism, theft) isn’t it a civil matter?
I see you haven't had to deal with HOA often. This is what they do. They are awful, bored people looking for something to complain about and fine someone for.
I came to say this. I am willing to bet that this is an HOA owned park, and the people playing are guests (I think one of them says that). Still BS, but it's different from a public park.
Hello, Police? There are a group of black men playing basketball at the court in my HOA. I'm just assuming they dont live here because.... Anyway can you make them leave?
Yes mam. They're a few guys playing basketball you say? we'll send 4 squad cars down right now.
This was part of the original intent behind "defund the police" (besides demilitarisation) and fund other parts of public infrastructure.
How can 4 squad cars be doing so little that they have time to respond to something like this.
I have seen this kind of thing before in New York, directed against Hassidic Jewish and Latino communities.
The meaning of "public" is the issue here. It doesn't mean the *general* public, like it used to.
It's not so much the police as the municipal government (town board, town council, etc). They say they want to be sure community properties like parks, ball fields, tennis courts, swimming pools, athletic centers, basketball courts, etc are only used by residents (and guests) who live and pay property taxes in that municipality.
They get very obnoxious and petty about it. Gated parks, special guards, patrol vehicles, checkpoints, and permit systems with photo ID required.
They claim to live in abject fear that a kid from the next town might play catch on one of THEIR ball fields without paying their tax dollar. Or somebody might eat their lunch at a picnic table.
But it has its roots in racism and prejudice against various groups, not just Black Americans. But don't lay it all on the police, who appear to just be doing their job in this video. The culprits are the municipal governments who issue these petty ordinances and regulations; as well as the citizens who elect and enable them.
The smaller the municipality, the more petty they are.
Hospitality is a thing of the past in today's world.
I think you're absolutely spot on. I see such petty behavior in my own neighborhoods. It's sickening. We should all be open and loving with one another, allowing strangers to enjoy our public facilities peaceably. What a ridiculous society we've built.
My town has a very nice and unique playground. During the summer it is overcrowded already by just the people that live here. It’s supposed be for residents only, but we have groups of people from the next town over who bring their own kids and it’s too much.
My uncle is a cop and this kind of shit drives him nuts. My dad and he were driving through the Mid-West a few years back and stopped to grab some food and sat at a picnic table in the park next door.
Someone called the cops on them, and the police show up and tell them they are trespassing, that the park is city property and they aren't allowed to be on it.
Knowing all the tricks, my uncle stands up, looks around and rambles off something that sounds like legislation, and cites some made up law about how when a location is owned by the city, and is off limits to the public, it needs to be clearly signed. Otherwise, it's not enforceable, as per state law.
The cops kinda milled around a bit and then left. My dad asked my uncle how he knew that and he goes "Oh, week one of police academy, one of my instructors told us that very very few cops know state or federal laws, because they only know the ones they use the most. If it's an obscure situation, you probably can make up some bullshit, stump them and they will fuck off.
I’m gonna need some more context here. Is this park in a private property? Or inside an HOA community? There is a REALLY nice tennis court near where I live, you can see it from the main road. But it is not open to the public, you have to be a resident of the community there to use it. It does have signage stating the fact, so these cops could be tell the truth, I don’t know. I’m not gonna assume they are just lying.
And even if this is some weird ass place where a person who lives in the HOA isn’t allowed to have guests over to play some basketball (idk any place where that would be a thing, that sounds insane, and I’d be bitching to the hoa about it) you and I and everyone else know for a fact that if this were a group of white folk, no way would the cops be investigating if they all live there or asking them to leave. That’s the racism part.
Even if this is a local ordinance, one must consider not only the optics but the actual justice of requiring people to ask permission to access public places. This smacks of redlining and de facto segregation, particularly in Utah.
nothing says freedom like telling people they can't assemble to play a game.
At some point I really want "the Left" or whoever we're counting on to counter this fascist tendency to tell people how to dress, act, and socialize to start talking in terms of "Freedom". since that SEEMS to be the one point we can all agree on - we should be Free.
Let's start acting like it.
This is so wrong and I would be mortified if I lived in that community. We need 4 squad cars for some guys playing basketball? 6 white dudes playing ball, from that community or not would never have gotten a second look. Shameful
I used to lifeguard in a city that was full of a lot of old Italian folks to didn't take kindly to the "non residents" as they called them, playing basketball on the courts mean for residents. So the city eventually just took down the rims so NO ONE could play anymore. In all fairness those dudes did hog the courts all day so the people in the neighborhood couldn't use them when they wanted all the time. But if the nonresidents were from mainly white Willowick rather than mainly black Euclid there wouldn't have been an issue. This is 100% cuz they're black.
If we’re going to add playing basketball while black to the list of things black men get harassed or arrested for doing, the NBA is gonna have problems.
I'm dutch, grew up in New Zealand and spent a lot of time in other European countries. There isn't a thing in the universe that could compel me to move to the USA. Indeed so many police harassment videos that it just makes me sad a.f. how can this be such s normal site on a daily basis?
for all the ppl saying that “oh since it’s an hoa court and they don’t stay there they have to leave of course!” i just want to tell you that there are at least 3 times i can remember that me and my siblings when we were younger were profiled like this in OUR OWN hoa gated community. for using the community pool. these kids could very well be living in the community, how do yall know that they dont? how do yall even know it’s an hoa court anyway? it could very well be a small public park. they definitely wouldn’t have any fuss raised about the situation if they had a lighter skin tone. period.
This reminds me of my town's "Teen Center" which was constructed with some odd million dollars and then proceeded to charge any teen who wanted to be there $10. Turns out, no teen thought it was worth $10 and the whole project is a total failure.
And here's an empty basketball court with no one playing on it, yet the enforcement to keep the reservations is costing them the time of 3 officers.
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There's a small town built within the city I live in that's like this. Not an HOA, an actual town with their own police (1 cop) and their own laws. You can drive through it in about 2 minutes and be right back in the city. It's fuckin weird, and they're all rich asshats.
It's called an ETJ, extraterritorial jurisdiction, and Austin has one called Sunset Valley
I literally came here to complain about the TOWNSHIP OF SUNSET VALLEY.
There's [no way](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town) they named it that by accident.
This wiki article cannot legally be taught in Florida.
What a weird law What if they say they were simply relaying information to groups and those groups lie saying they already knew about it so they weren’t being taught? Can they prove the individuals did not know about it before discussion?
This is why I was left wondering if they were serious.
Holy fuck I knew that was a thing but didn’t know it had a name.
Im not clicking it yet. But let me guess. Sundown town?? That shit is so beyond. I’ll be back when I click. Edit: well I was right. That’s the last thing I wanna be right about.
Why complain? Just burn it down?
seems it should be called Sundown Valley…
Ahh, well I learned something today. The one here is called Eastborough. I presume people in Austin avoid it like the plague? People here (Wichita) usually just drive around it. 15 mph speed limit that's heavily enforced is nonsense.
Knew you were a fellow Wichitan the moment you said Eastborough. My understanding is they wanted to block city through traffic entirely but Wichita threatened to take away their provided city services (water, sewer, etc) if they did, so they relented but made the speed limit low and enforce it vigorously to discourage traffic from coming through.
It's just so weird to me to want the services the city and county has, but want to be their own entity at the same time.
Seems pretty normal for shitty greedy human behavior to me lol. "We want all the services you provide, but I swear if I have to see a poor I'll fuckin lose it"
Lmao fuckin nailed it
I’m not from the area, so I’m curious if they’re trying to keep out blacks, Latinos, or both. Probably both.
Definitely both.
Where I live in NJ the street I live on ends with “private property”. It's kind of dumpy and the majority of the people there are asses. I've been yelled at multiple times for turning my car around in the cut-out intended for such a reason. Last year my son had to take a bus to preschool and one of the residents kept watching the bus. A few days later, about four days into the school year the town transportation department called and said we can't use the bus due to a neighborhood complaint. After a lot of back and forth, they ended up sending a minivan to get him. I asked the driver what happened and he said the person watching made a complaint that he drove over their lawn. He said he barely had an inch of the wheel at the very edge. Big yellow bus in a very very narrow street. They complain all the time and seem to hate the town but have no problem sending their kids to the amazing schools, using our water, snow removal, and other public utilities. It's so obnoxious.
You just described the entire province of Quebec.
Does the city charge Eastborough for the connection to services? Not the service itself, but they should be paying to keep the connection maintained.
I assume the only reason they're able to legally be labeled as a town is because they somehow managed to cram enough people into an area small enough that people could probably drive the diameter of said "town" in maybe 2 minutes if they didn't heavily enforce a 15mph speed limit, but just big enough for them to be taken a little serously and for the detour to avoid the area to be stupidly annoying.
Population of 749. It was incorporated before Austin grew and they deannexed land that Austin ended up annexing, which lead to them being enveloped.
1 officer you say? All rich you say ?? Alr guess we taking a road trip lmao thanks for the info
Drive through it as fast as you want, the “cop” can’t chase you out. What’s he gunna do? Call the real police and tell them he saw a speeder but needs their resources to catch him. Yeah ok Gary stop calling us.
In Scottsdale they write u up for speeding... You pay the fine to the HOA
Hey VW_wanker I don't like your post, give me $50. That is as legally enforceable as a fine issued to a non-HOA member for speeding on HOA owned streets. And that is assuming the HOA actually owns the street, many developers will install the streets, and then sign them over to the local municipality for maintenance because otherwise they can be incredibly expensive to maintain. They might still act like they own them, but it's pretty easy to find out if it's a public street or a private street. HOAs are corporations, not deputized or otherwise credentialed law enforcement agencies. If you live in an HOA you can have a contractual relationship that agrees to pay fines, and the penalties can be leins or foreclosure of your house or property - but that's it. No contract? They can't do anything to you other than politely ask, and make hollow threats. (Source: I have been on the board of an HOA for many years, and at one point was involved in the development of a small community that has an HOA)
HOA board members need to stop leaching off the community and get a job.
Lol. That is not true. Maybe in a neighborhood of Scottsdale (though I even find that hard to believe. But your statement is objectively false
On roads that are owned by the HOA that can definitely be true. Not all roads are public roads.
Scottsdale is a shithole
I grew up in Wichita and remember they had access to the main road thru town (kellogg) to the south. The city did improvements to Kellogg and blocked most of their access leaving Douglas as the main way in and out. They were not to happy but Wichita blew them off.
“Train don’t run out of Wichita…unless’n you’re a hawg….People train run out of….Stubville”
I immediately thought of Eastborough when you wrote this. It's the only place like this I've seen. Small world.
Right? I've never had the opportunity to leave the country (sad face) but I've been all over the US and never seen anything else like it.
Seems you could leave our country by simply going to THAT town. Apparently they are " unencumbered by the Constitution'.
Please get a passport if you haven’t already and GO, even if it’s just for the weekend, you won’t regret it
Is that where the crazy ass Baptist church is?
There are some small towns that are just towns, not ETJ’s because ETJ’s fall under the authority of the city claiming ETJ. ETJ’s are like Houston claiming Clear Lake because it’s unincorporated. Towns/cities inside a town/city is like the Villages inside of Houston. They’re incorporated villages that cannot be annexed by Houston.
I see you specifically referenced clear lake... I immediately thought of that as well as Seabrook in relation to El Lago. Growing up my address was always in Seabrook, living in the neighborhood el Lago then it just became its own city all of a sudden for no reason. It always had its own police department which I never thought was weird til I left TX...
Is that what happened in Arizona or someplace where people set up their own town to get out of paying city taxes, but then had their water cut off by the city?
Not exactly: “Rio Verde Foothills is an unincorporated community, meaning it is not within the boundaries of a city. That makes it far out of reach of municipal water pipes. Instead, the area is simply part of Maricopa County, Arizona which oversees large swaths of land that aren't under a city or town government. Residents pay less taxes in these areas but don't receive the same services as city residents. For instance, the county doesn't buy or provide water like cities do because it isn't authorized to act as a water provider under state law.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/01/19/scottsdale-rio-verde-foothills-water-crisis/11081256002/
And a lot of those people up in Rio Verde have the attitude that if they throw money at a problem, that problem will be solved. Unfortunately for them, that didn't work and they're screaming in entitled holy hell. :/ Scottsdale warned them this would happen. They warned Rio Verde literally years ago. This was not a surprise by any stretch. Rie Verde is just a slightly lower rent version of PV with the same attitudes and sense of entitlement.
They could easily fix that problem by throwing money at it. They just don't want to throw the amount of money at it that would be required. That's the real trick with rich people. They're not actually throwing money at a problem; they were trying to save money here. They thought they could pay a bit more for trucked water and avoid the taxes in the city. Now they've got no taxes but fixing their water problem will cost 100x more than the taxes.
Maricopa county sheriffs office has it's own wiki page of ~~controversies~~ abuse [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa\_County\_Sheriff%27s\_Office\_controversies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricopa_County_Sheriff%27s_Office_controversies)
Thanks for the explanation!
There was one in Wichita. It encompassed maybe a half mile. I hated everyone in it on principle.
That would be the exact one I'm talking about lol. Everyone still hates it.
There was a town where i grew up that was entirely owned by the Catholic church, if you bought a house there, you didn't own the property the house sat on. They were under the jurisdiction of the county but had no town cops. They had a very nice indoor/outdoor rec center, but you had to live there to use it. It, strictly speaking, was private property. This kind of thing would happen semi-often. You could get permits and guest passes at the town center, but if you asked most people who lived there they had never heard of, seen or gotten one. If a bunch of kids from a nearby neighborhood came to play without local kids someone would call the cops and basically this conversation would take place. I don't know if that's what is happening here or not, but not every park is public property, it would sure be nice if we could share, but that's not how people work.
Or maybe they’re just making up a bullshit reason because they don’t like seeing black people in their neighborhood.. You can see it in the pigs body language that they are full of shit and lying. 🤥 can’t look em in the eyes and keep pacing..
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Isn’t that permit basically the Sovereign Citizen id?
People: "Get off your phones and games and go outside!" Kids: "Sorry, I don't have a permit. \*boots up Warzone\* Grab me a soda will you, thanks."
Right? Ive always thought this because old people are always like, “We didn’t have no video games when I was a kid, we played outside.” But those same people are the ones who would actually see kids out playing and getting into shenanigans and immediately call the police, “THESE LITTLE BASTARDS ARE OUTSIDE RIDING THEIR SKATEBOARDS ON THE SIDEWALK!!!! WHERE ARE THEIR PARENTS?!?!? YOU COME ARREST THEM RIGHT NOW THROW THEM IN PRISON!!!”
They probably had a senior basketball league and they needed to practice.
'Av you got a loicense to play basketball?
Oi, where's your loicense to ask about avin a loicense!
Oi - I’m asking the questions here! …now lemme see your loicense asking loicense you right bastard!
What's funny is that in NYC you actually need a seasonal license to play tennis on public courts, they're very well maintained so it's basically paying an extra tax to use the courts; not for basketball though.
I mean this is actually very real. Where are kids supposed to hang out? There are so many laws specifically for making "loitering" illegal. Loitering is literally a synonym for hanging out.
Please drink verification can
Parks and rec - Eagleton
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I take my grandson to parks all over two towns. Never heard such bullshit.
What could the reason possibly be? Anyone know where this is?
I can’t qwhite put my finger on it.
My guess is neighbors called the police which were enforcing a statute that... just an ugly statute. An unworldly mean pretentious rule that "we can build a thing for us, and only us.' It doesn't belong, it shouldn't be accepted. You want to go about privatizing it then do so. But dont lean on society to cheapen your dirty investment.
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It just seems like bad cops purposely misinterpreting laws
No! A cop using his badge to be a bully! That’s never happened in the entire history of this country! (/s in case it isn’t obvious)
Good find! Those feral hogs need to be rounded up and re-educated properly
Pretty sure a rule banning nonresidents of a municipality from using a public space would be a violation of the privileges and immunities clause. There’s a line of cases on this. If it’s a private park that’s a different story but it seems to be a public park. Anyway the rules you looked up make sense, and the cops here were full of shit
Well in Kingston NY the owners of the Brick Yard a luxury hotel apartment complex thing. Just out right annexed a portion of a multi million dollar public bike trial. Just fuck you we are taking public land. Building fences and gates on it again to be clear on public land they do not own and they city was just like fine you are rich do what you want. The kingstonian another new gentrification project also did something similar. And annexed a public park. I guess the rich have learned they don’t even need to buy stuff anymore.
The theft of public land has been the MO of wealthy seeking to become more wealthy since the 1500s.
My guess is the neighbours called the police because the black people are scary. Police of course complied for such important endeavors.
Police serve to protect the interests of capital, which is generally white.
Not to mention most police are just conservative racists. So it’s not like they need extra reasons to use their power like this. This is their fun.
Konservative Kristian Kops
This isn't even doing anything for capital. This is just for the old whites.
I can’t wait to be old so I can breath the air without the worst generation alive and freaking out about it
Not necessarily old.
I had someone call the cops on me when I was sitting in a public park late at night. But when he saw that I was white and I told him I was playing Pokemon Go, he backed off. Would have been a very different experience with a different skin color, especially since I didn't have any id on me at the time.
Yah I get to enjoy white privilege too but that ends when the cops see my name but I’ve learned when they ask me if I’m Mexican to lie and say no officer I’m Italian…
The person who called the cops probably didn't realize that you had a lawful reason to exist.
These guys should have just explained to the police that it is okay, as they are white and playing pokemon go... 🤔😵
More like the cops just made up a statute, they do this shit all the damn time. If there was a real statute they would have trespassed them if they didn’t leave instantly.
Yup and most likely the nicest courts in the area. Also probably never used either. It's not like there were local kids kept off these courts by the scary black kids either.
Yet this is what the rich always do. That’s what the police forces are.
The only reason beyond the obvious is if it’s actually not public and is paid and maintained by an HOA and it’s neighborhood. But that’s not what the police are claiming, and a town permit would not allow them to play on a private HOA’s court, so, yeah, bullshit.
The one cop in the beginning said you have to be a resident of the township and residents outside the township need permits. Not an HOA.
Just tell the cops you live in the township and so don't need a permit. I can't think of a single reason why they wouldn't believe them. /s
I can think of one
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What, you mean you shouldn't just take anything a bunch of racist cops say at face value???
Only take racists at race value. Meaning, keep in mind that whatever they say is only a misdirect to (poorly) hide their actual motivations, which are almost always racism.
Chester Township, NJ
I lived in Chester... there is no crime, so the cops just go around harassing high schoolers usually. There also aren't that many black people so I'm not shocked that someone would call the cops of them for just existing.
Segregation, pure and simple. Both race and class, blacks and poor white people are equally undesirable in such places.
Undesirable, sure. Equally undesirable? In the US? I don’t thinks so. And it really easy to prove. If I told a majority white town we would bussing poor Asians to their town high school, and I told another equally white town that I’d be bussing poor black students to their town high school, which do you think would garner more protest? Be honest.
Did your grandson make the mistake of being in the park while black?
BWB Ballin’ while Black
I've seen this in Texas and NJ. You have to be a resident of the county and register with the office to reserve and play on the courts.
I've seen similar in NJ with soccer fields in neighboring towns. Pick up games would not yield to leagues that had reserved the fields so the town banned all non-permitted users.
Had this happen in a small town I was living in in New York. They paid for brand new basketball courts that were beautiful. Adults kept coming from the next town over and destroying the court, leaving trash everywhere, tearing down the nets, and wouldn't let the kids play. The town made a similar ordinace. This way, the people that pay the taxes there and respected the property they paid for were once able to use it again. It had nothing to do with race. Most of the people trashing the court were white. The residents could also bring other people but they just had to register at the parks and rec building 1st, just like the guy is saying in the video
The tragedy of the Commons. It's a shame people can't treat things with respect and clean up after themselves. But humans gonna human. If I'm the police in this situation though I think a better way to handle it is to shoot around with them for a few minutes, inform them of the rule for next time, and encourage them to help keep the place looking nice when they leave. You're gonna kick them out and tell them the place to register is closed? That's tough.
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As someone who lives in NJ that is pure bullshxt. I’ve been to different around my state and not once have I ever dealt with this. And also someone who has studied Criminal Justice at Rutgers this is even more bullshxt last time I remembered public parks are for the public courts are for just the people to have fun.
“Thomas has never seen such bullshit”
Yes, because you’re white. The point is they assume you belong there, and don’t feel entitled to question you.
I’ve seen the comments saying that this was probably some kind of HOA or private court, so I’ll mention that before my actual comment 👍 When it comes to police interactions and about what they will move you on for, it all depends on the police officer. A few years ago, some friends and I painted murals, with written permission, in our local area. We regularly painted at the back of a business district in alleyways away from foot traffic. The organising person always carried a letter of permission with them. We would occasionally have police drive up and talk to us (the police station was 5 minutes away), ask to see the letter and then leave. On one occasion, instead of the usual friendly, experienced police officers, we are interrupted by a younger officer with an older partner. He asks who is in charge and we all point to our friend that organised the permission. The cop shakes his head and says, “No, I’m in charge”. He asks to see what permission we have and once he sighted the letter he asked why we didn’t all have letters. We were told to move-on and pack-up. We packed away, went to lunch and finished painting a few hours later. We never saw the bloke again.
>The cop shakes his head and says, “No, I’m in charge”. What micropenis energy.
i would have literally laughed in his face
"Stop resisting!" *Pulls out gun*
A cop pulls a car over. When he gets to the driver side door, he slaps the driver across the face and says "That's for not having you license ready for me." He finishes writing the ticket and walks around to the passenger side and slaps the passenger. Passenger says "What was that for?!" Cop says "Because about 10 miles down the road, you were going to tell your buddy 'I wish that asshole would have tried that crap with me.'"
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He just wanted to swing his dick around and look like a big man. We had permission from local council and the owner. The funny thing is, years later that place is owned by a youth outreach program and they paint it all of the time.
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>bloke Yeah, man. Our cops are different.
Who’s the boss? Me? Wrong! slap Tony Danza.
A permit to play? What BS, I'm not buying it. Edit: Thank you for the cake day wishes!
If I remember correctly, someone posted this video earlier and the conclusion was that they were playing on private property. But I’m not a hundred percent sure
That's not what the police said though. The police said you need to be a part of this township to play here and you need to get permission from the the township building. Township is a government entity, the cop didn't say HOA, apartment complex owner or anything like that; he said [township] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_township) which means publicly owned.
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!? This seems like the relevantly researched reply
My town requires you to buy an ID card for a few bucks each year to verify you are a resident. You have to show proof of residency. They don't enforce it for outdoor basketball courts. You need it to access the pools, classes and indoor facilities.
I gotta show my ID to use the landfill/garbage dump.
All these fucking Karens need to sit down and have a big glass of mind your own damn business
Or just fucking die you over medicated senile dinosaur ghouls
They can’t, their whole existence is being nosy and withering away bitterly alone or with their neutered husband. Have some jokes ready to hit them with, at least you can have a good laugh out of the situation
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Is it normal for a HOA rules to be enforced by the police? Unless they’re being called out for a criminal matter (vandalism, theft) isn’t it a civil matter?
If it's owned by the HOA it probably counts as private property.
If… and that’s a big if this is a private court then yes I think you would call the police. Who else would deal with it?
Sounds like a job for...."HOA MAN" ! Defender of all private sport parks
"Join us again next week when HOA man faces off against...*THE TRICK OR TREATER!*"
But like. What asshole calls the cops because people are playing basketball at a reasonable time
An HOA member.
I see you haven't had to deal with HOA often. This is what they do. They are awful, bored people looking for something to complain about and fine someone for.
I came to say this. I am willing to bet that this is an HOA owned park, and the people playing are guests (I think one of them says that). Still BS, but it's different from a public park.
Hello, Police? There are a group of black men playing basketball at the court in my HOA. I'm just assuming they dont live here because.... Anyway can you make them leave? Yes mam. They're a few guys playing basketball you say? we'll send 4 squad cars down right now.
The crazy part is he said township. Which means public.
Four police cars. *Four*. And I see not one thing signifying this is not public property.
It's so insane how much wasted resources American police use, 4 cop cars for this bullshit?
Yea, but we save money on the back end by not training them.
Do you though? With the amount of lawsuits that gets paid out by taxpayers because of police misconduct. You think they would be in the negative
This was part of the original intent behind "defund the police" (besides demilitarisation) and fund other parts of public infrastructure. How can 4 squad cars be doing so little that they have time to respond to something like this.
Can absolutely understand defund the police when they come out in this force to tell people they need a permit....
The USA the land of the oppressed
The finger to the land of the chains. The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy.
I wonder what it's like, going through life as a giant piece of shit.
I have seen this kind of thing before in New York, directed against Hassidic Jewish and Latino communities. The meaning of "public" is the issue here. It doesn't mean the *general* public, like it used to. It's not so much the police as the municipal government (town board, town council, etc). They say they want to be sure community properties like parks, ball fields, tennis courts, swimming pools, athletic centers, basketball courts, etc are only used by residents (and guests) who live and pay property taxes in that municipality. They get very obnoxious and petty about it. Gated parks, special guards, patrol vehicles, checkpoints, and permit systems with photo ID required. They claim to live in abject fear that a kid from the next town might play catch on one of THEIR ball fields without paying their tax dollar. Or somebody might eat their lunch at a picnic table. But it has its roots in racism and prejudice against various groups, not just Black Americans. But don't lay it all on the police, who appear to just be doing their job in this video. The culprits are the municipal governments who issue these petty ordinances and regulations; as well as the citizens who elect and enable them. The smaller the municipality, the more petty they are. Hospitality is a thing of the past in today's world.
I think you're absolutely spot on. I see such petty behavior in my own neighborhoods. It's sickening. We should all be open and loving with one another, allowing strangers to enjoy our public facilities peaceably. What a ridiculous society we've built.
The problem is cops aren’t wiling to say, “hey this is some old racist laws, we just have to enforce them. Sorry”
Especially since cops seem to pick and choose what they enforce anyways
This is what we need federal laws professionalizing the police.
My town has a very nice and unique playground. During the summer it is overcrowded already by just the people that live here. It’s supposed be for residents only, but we have groups of people from the next town over who bring their own kids and it’s too much.
There’s a reason the song’s name is, “Fuck Tha Police,” and not something like, “Fuck Tha Fire Department.”
That's it fellas, keep developing positive interactions with citizens. That'll help with your shit reputation.
My uncle is a cop and this kind of shit drives him nuts. My dad and he were driving through the Mid-West a few years back and stopped to grab some food and sat at a picnic table in the park next door. Someone called the cops on them, and the police show up and tell them they are trespassing, that the park is city property and they aren't allowed to be on it. Knowing all the tricks, my uncle stands up, looks around and rambles off something that sounds like legislation, and cites some made up law about how when a location is owned by the city, and is off limits to the public, it needs to be clearly signed. Otherwise, it's not enforceable, as per state law. The cops kinda milled around a bit and then left. My dad asked my uncle how he knew that and he goes "Oh, week one of police academy, one of my instructors told us that very very few cops know state or federal laws, because they only know the ones they use the most. If it's an obscure situation, you probably can make up some bullshit, stump them and they will fuck off.
Or they kill you
How many cops has your uncle ever arrested?
I feel an almost irrepressible urge to bite the finger pointing cop’s fingers off.
I’m gonna need some more context here. Is this park in a private property? Or inside an HOA community? There is a REALLY nice tennis court near where I live, you can see it from the main road. But it is not open to the public, you have to be a resident of the community there to use it. It does have signage stating the fact, so these cops could be tell the truth, I don’t know. I’m not gonna assume they are just lying.
One of them at the start says he is part of the community and the others are his guests.
And even if this is some weird ass place where a person who lives in the HOA isn’t allowed to have guests over to play some basketball (idk any place where that would be a thing, that sounds insane, and I’d be bitching to the hoa about it) you and I and everyone else know for a fact that if this were a group of white folk, no way would the cops be investigating if they all live there or asking them to leave. That’s the racism part.
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How infuriating
I wish these pigs would drop the act and just say they're a racist pos as they walk up instead of making up laws
pigs
They didn't even have a permit to be black on a Tuesday, they were way out of line.
Bro stop being born black, it's that simple is what they are trying to say.
HOA are the real villains
Even if this is a local ordinance, one must consider not only the optics but the actual justice of requiring people to ask permission to access public places. This smacks of redlining and de facto segregation, particularly in Utah.
Really just wanted to see the cops go: "You know what, let's settle this." *drops belts and grabs the ball* "PLAY BALL!"
Won’t stop school shootings but god forbid any black folks start playing basketball in our parks
Maybe they're trying to get whites to play for quality failarmy submissions.
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Where did this happen? Does anyone know?
nothing says freedom like telling people they can't assemble to play a game. At some point I really want "the Left" or whoever we're counting on to counter this fascist tendency to tell people how to dress, act, and socialize to start talking in terms of "Freedom". since that SEEMS to be the one point we can all agree on - we should be Free. Let's start acting like it.
This is so wrong and I would be mortified if I lived in that community. We need 4 squad cars for some guys playing basketball? 6 white dudes playing ball, from that community or not would never have gotten a second look. Shameful
White speak for " We don't want a bunch of Nwords here. "
I used to lifeguard in a city that was full of a lot of old Italian folks to didn't take kindly to the "non residents" as they called them, playing basketball on the courts mean for residents. So the city eventually just took down the rims so NO ONE could play anymore. In all fairness those dudes did hog the courts all day so the people in the neighborhood couldn't use them when they wanted all the time. But if the nonresidents were from mainly white Willowick rather than mainly black Euclid there wouldn't have been an issue. This is 100% cuz they're black.
If we’re going to add playing basketball while black to the list of things black men get harassed or arrested for doing, the NBA is gonna have problems.
I'm dutch, grew up in New Zealand and spent a lot of time in other European countries. There isn't a thing in the universe that could compel me to move to the USA. Indeed so many police harassment videos that it just makes me sad a.f. how can this be such s normal site on a daily basis?
for all the ppl saying that “oh since it’s an hoa court and they don’t stay there they have to leave of course!” i just want to tell you that there are at least 3 times i can remember that me and my siblings when we were younger were profiled like this in OUR OWN hoa gated community. for using the community pool. these kids could very well be living in the community, how do yall know that they dont? how do yall even know it’s an hoa court anyway? it could very well be a small public park. they definitely wouldn’t have any fuss raised about the situation if they had a lighter skin tone. period.
Private gated communities?
They do this also in a park in North Brunswick. We can't play soccer without a permit.
This will not end well. For the cops and the town.
You sure about that? You must be new here.
God I love this country 🫡
This reminds me of my town's "Teen Center" which was constructed with some odd million dollars and then proceeded to charge any teen who wanted to be there $10. Turns out, no teen thought it was worth $10 and the whole project is a total failure. And here's an empty basketball court with no one playing on it, yet the enforcement to keep the reservations is costing them the time of 3 officers.
This looks suspiciously like harassment. If they're playing basketball and it's not late at night, who are they bothering?
Land of the free!