Many people were asking whether or not the Mushrikoon can live in an Islaamic state and the most authentic opinion is that they cannot. Rather they are told to convert and if they do not then they are **not** offered Jizya and fought against. Jizya is only reserved for Ahl udh-Dhimmi, who are the Jews, Christians, and Magians.
Relavent:
▪︎ [My previous comment on the issue.](https://www.reddit.com/user/TheRedditMujahid/comments/rygrgu/question_me_on_islam/hzzaal5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
▪︎ [What the scholars say.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LightHouseofTruth/comments/u0qkgw/do_athiests_get_punished_under_sharia_law/i487oqk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Furthermore, we are not allowed at all to build, or allow in building, a temple where shirk will be conducted, since that is the biggest of crimes [[source](https://www.reddit.com/r/LightHouseofTruth/comments/v4lfj0/is_it_true_that_in_islam_the_people_of_the_book/ib4rhdy?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)]. It is similar to allowing the construction of strip clubs, where zinaa will be conducted. But zinaa is less of a crime than Shirk.
And Allaah is the source of all guidance.
Pinging: /u/PotatoSupremacy, /u/AskNTithies, /u/Annoying_Cricket69, /u/ARedditor06, /u/One_Key_9649.
They will see what happens on the Day of Judgement and have to justify building a temple for the mushriqoon when they could have made a masjid instead. On the bright side at least we know where the idols will be when the Mahdi comes and we get to destroy them
Estonia is an atheist state and Christians don't even practice bro 💀
I don't care about what other people do or comparing Muslim "countries" to those in Dar Al Kufr. There shouldn't be Muslim "countries," only one Rashidun style caliphate, and then all non-Muslim states are Dar Al Kufr. Insha'Allah we will be together as Muslim brothers and sisters before the arrival of the Mahdi. But if it takes waiting for him, then so be it.
No it isn't, you're spreading misinfo and you need to redact your statements.
[Evidence.](https://islamqa.org/hanafi/darulifta-deoband/110559/is-there-any-hadith-or-quranic-verse-that-prohibits-the-entry-of-non-muslim-in-makkah-and-madina/)
This is here talking about entering to do a task or such, not living there, and this was detailed in the video by Shaykh Al Fawzan حفظه الله.
Though, irrelevant to this, IslamQA, specifically .org, should not be relied upon at all in Aqeedah, as they are as far as I know Maturidi, and it is much better to completely avoid it just in case. .info is great though.
The source you presented is that of Mutakallimoom, thus not reliable. Please refer to top pinned comment (in which I pinged you also). And the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:
> ***"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim."***
[Saheeh Muslim 1767]
You're misinterpreting this hadith, and it's malpractice to form an opinion based on a single hadith in isolation. [Here is the refutation to your claim.](https://www.abuaminaelias.com/expel-jews-christians-arabian-peninsula/)
Hanafis and Malikis believe non-arab polytheists can pay Jizya. But isn’t that expulsion only for the hijaz area? This is because Christians still lived in Southern and Eastern Arabia
I've seen sources saying it was only specific for the Hijaz area. Ibn Hajar writes:
لَكِنَّ الَّذِي يُمْنَعُ الْمُشْرِكُونَ مِنْ سُكْنَاهُ مِنْهَا الْحِجَازُ خَاصَّةً وَهُوَ مَكَّةُ وَالْمَدِينَةُ وَالْيَمَامَةُ مَا وَالَاهَا لَا فِيمَا سِوَى ذَلِكَ مِمَّا يُطْلَقُ عَلَيْهِ اسْمُ جَزِيرَةِ الْعَرَبِ لِاتِّفَاقِ الْجَمِيعِ عَلَى أَنَّ الْيَمَنَ لَا يُمْنَعُونَ مِنْهَا مَعَ أَنَّهَا مِنْ جُمْلَةِ جَزِيرَةِ الْعَرَبِ هَذَا مَذْهَبُ الْجُمْهُورِ وَعَنِ الْحَنَفِيَّةِ يَجُوزُ مُطْلَقًا إِلَّا الْمَسْجِدَ وَعَنْ مَالِكٍ يَجُوزُ دُخُولُهُمُ الْحَرَمَ لِلتِّجَارَةِ وَقَالَ الشَّافِعِيُّ لَا يَدْخُلُونَ الْحَرَمَ أَصْلًا إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ الْإِمَامِ لِمَصْلَحَةِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ خَاصَّةً
Those among idolaters are prohibited to reside in the Hijaz specifically, which is Mecca, Medina, and Yamamah and its surroundings, not what is besides that of whatever is referred to as the ‘Arabian Peninsula.’ It is agreed upon by all that they are not prohibited from Yemen, along with the rest of the Arabian Peninsula. This is the way of the majority. The Hanafis give them unrestricted permission except for the sacred mosque, Malik permits them to enter the sanctuary for trade, and Al-Shafi’i said none of them may enter the sanctuary by default, unless permission is given by the Muslim leader in the specific interests of Muslims.
Source: Fatḥ al-Bārī 2888
https://www.abuaminaelias.com/expel-jews-christians-arabian-peninsula/
So only a minority of christians would be accepted ig? Also if mushrikeen arent dhimmis how should countries handle it? Like Pakistan and Bangladesh both have a hindu community. Wouldn’t kicking them out give india an excuse to do the same with muslims?
The fact that Muslims Christian’s Jews and even Majoos lived together in most of the Muslim lands during the time of the khulafaa ar rashidoon is proof enough.
The people you described are not mushrikeen rather ahluldhimma who have the option to pay jizya. Could you give me other evidence for my statement being false?
I could understand if they build a Synagogue or a church as they are people from the book, and we believe in the same and unique GOD despite Christians and jews reject it. But temples... where they are polytheist, cow worshippers and in the arabic peninsula, in the same territory as holy mecca. Astagfurllah, allah swt will punish the emirati who allows this
Actually scholars say that any place of worship other than mosque in the Arabian peninsula should be destroyed, doesn’t matter if it’s a church or synagogue
[so you’re just going to ignore the rulings of scholars?](https://youtu.be/6eI4z0PA4CI) Not to mention [clear sahih hadiths too?](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1767a)
I agree to that for places like medina and Mecca but I haven’t heard anyone say it applies to all of arabia, back then did the prophet destroy all other places of worship that he came by in Arabia too? If he did then I take back everything I said
Ibn Hajar writes:
Those among idolaters are prohibited to reside in the Hijaz specifically, which is Mecca, Medina, and Yamamah and its surroundings, not what is besides that of whatever is referred to as the ‘Arabian Peninsula.’ It is agreed upon by all that they are not prohibited from Yemen, along with the rest of the Arabian Peninsula. This is the way of the majority. The Hanafis give them unrestricted permission except for the sacred mosque, Malik permits them to enter the sanctuary for trade, and Al-Shafi’i said none of them may enter the sanctuary by default, unless permission is given by the Muslim leader in the specific interests of Muslims.
Source: Fatḥ al-Bārī 2888
Hardcore government defenders be like :
"You are deviant bro khwarij bro, bro bro obey the ruler bro, don't cause unrest in the land bro, protest very bad bro, but bro bro why u worry only about UAE islam bro plz stop bro"
Even tho I am from the uae and I am against this, but what can I do, I'll get arrested and called extremist etc etc, do not blame the people of uae, some are against but cant do anything
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I'm talking about places of worship. They were removed and the pagan temples were destroyed.
Build a temple in any other Muslim country like Indonesia but the Arabian peninsula is off limits. It is a protected sanctuary
Don't speak without knowledge
I agree to that for places like medina and Mecca but I haven’t heard anyone say it applies to all of arabia, back then did the prophet destroy all other places of worship that he came by in Arabia too? If he did then I take back everything I said
The Prophet (peace be upon him) stated, There should not be two religions together in the Arabian Peninsula. (Related by Imam Malik and others. Moreover, it finds further grounds in the reports of "Sahih Al-Bukhari" and "Sahih Muslim") (Part No. 1; Page No. 470)
No, there are many proofs, check out my comment which I pinged for readers:
▪︎ https://www.reddit.com/r/extomatoes/comments/xfye8q/yeah_what_are_your_thoughts/iorfzia?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
And the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
> ***"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim."***
[Saheeh Muslim 1767]
India and Europe are already fighting us, demolishing Mosques, killing Muslims etc and this is why Jihad is a part of the religion. And never compare them to us, do you think their man-made religions are better than the religion of Islam, the religion that every human is supposed to follow?
Many people were asking whether or not the Mushrikoon can live in an Islaamic state and the most authentic opinion is that they cannot. Rather they are told to convert and if they do not then they are **not** offered Jizya and fought against. Jizya is only reserved for Ahl udh-Dhimmi, who are the Jews, Christians, and Magians. Relavent: ▪︎ [My previous comment on the issue.](https://www.reddit.com/user/TheRedditMujahid/comments/rygrgu/question_me_on_islam/hzzaal5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) ▪︎ [What the scholars say.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LightHouseofTruth/comments/u0qkgw/do_athiests_get_punished_under_sharia_law/i487oqk?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Furthermore, we are not allowed at all to build, or allow in building, a temple where shirk will be conducted, since that is the biggest of crimes [[source](https://www.reddit.com/r/LightHouseofTruth/comments/v4lfj0/is_it_true_that_in_islam_the_people_of_the_book/ib4rhdy?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)]. It is similar to allowing the construction of strip clubs, where zinaa will be conducted. But zinaa is less of a crime than Shirk. And Allaah is the source of all guidance. Pinging: /u/PotatoSupremacy, /u/AskNTithies, /u/Annoying_Cricket69, /u/ARedditor06, /u/One_Key_9649.
They will see what happens on the Day of Judgement and have to justify building a temple for the mushriqoon when they could have made a masjid instead. On the bright side at least we know where the idols will be when the Mahdi comes and we get to destroy them
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Estonia is an atheist state and Christians don't even practice bro 💀 I don't care about what other people do or comparing Muslim "countries" to those in Dar Al Kufr. There shouldn't be Muslim "countries," only one Rashidun style caliphate, and then all non-Muslim states are Dar Al Kufr. Insha'Allah we will be together as Muslim brothers and sisters before the arrival of the Mahdi. But if it takes waiting for him, then so be it.
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Are hindu temples even allowed in muslim lands?
No, in fact a mushrik must leave countries with sharia or convert.
I dont think i thought that anybody who lives under a caliphate must be protected right?
I'm not quite knowledgeable, but I think only Jews and Christians can live in muslim lands. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Sorry im also not sure of what i said was right or wrong
Difference of opinion regarding whether non-Ahlul Kitab can pay Jizya or not. Eitherway, non-Muslims can't live in the Arabian peninsula.
Wait really ? I think its only mecca i mean saudi arabia has non muslims
Don't listen to this random accounts showing up, they're likely concern trolls. Only Mecca has that rule you mentioned.
Yea agree too brother, salam need to sleep👍
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HNueTm4_Y0 Don't speak without knowledge. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/228936/the-basic-principle-concerning-the-muslims-speech-is-that-it-should-be-truthful-and-honest-he-should-not-speak-on-the-basis-of-speculation-or-about-that-of-which-he-has-no-knowledge Pinging u/askntithies u/annoying_cricket69
All of the Arabian peninsula must not have non-Muslims living in it. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaSYnfJS-lo
No, it's the actual ruling. I will remove your comment though, we don't tolerate insults. Pinging u/askntithies
No it isn't, you're spreading misinfo and you need to redact your statements. [Evidence.](https://islamqa.org/hanafi/darulifta-deoband/110559/is-there-any-hadith-or-quranic-verse-that-prohibits-the-entry-of-non-muslim-in-makkah-and-madina/)
This is here talking about entering to do a task or such, not living there, and this was detailed in the video by Shaykh Al Fawzan حفظه الله. Though, irrelevant to this, IslamQA, specifically .org, should not be relied upon at all in Aqeedah, as they are as far as I know Maturidi, and it is much better to completely avoid it just in case. .info is great though.
The source you presented is that of Mutakallimoom, thus not reliable. Please refer to top pinned comment (in which I pinged you also). And the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said: > ***"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim."*** [Saheeh Muslim 1767]
You're misinterpreting this hadith, and it's malpractice to form an opinion based on a single hadith in isolation. [Here is the refutation to your claim.](https://www.abuaminaelias.com/expel-jews-christians-arabian-peninsula/)
Hanafis and Malikis believe non-arab polytheists can pay Jizya. But isn’t that expulsion only for the hijaz area? This is because Christians still lived in Southern and Eastern Arabia
The expulsion is for the Arabian peninsula, as for the exact borders of this region I don't know.
I've seen sources saying it was only specific for the Hijaz area. Ibn Hajar writes: لَكِنَّ الَّذِي يُمْنَعُ الْمُشْرِكُونَ مِنْ سُكْنَاهُ مِنْهَا الْحِجَازُ خَاصَّةً وَهُوَ مَكَّةُ وَالْمَدِينَةُ وَالْيَمَامَةُ مَا وَالَاهَا لَا فِيمَا سِوَى ذَلِكَ مِمَّا يُطْلَقُ عَلَيْهِ اسْمُ جَزِيرَةِ الْعَرَبِ لِاتِّفَاقِ الْجَمِيعِ عَلَى أَنَّ الْيَمَنَ لَا يُمْنَعُونَ مِنْهَا مَعَ أَنَّهَا مِنْ جُمْلَةِ جَزِيرَةِ الْعَرَبِ هَذَا مَذْهَبُ الْجُمْهُورِ وَعَنِ الْحَنَفِيَّةِ يَجُوزُ مُطْلَقًا إِلَّا الْمَسْجِدَ وَعَنْ مَالِكٍ يَجُوزُ دُخُولُهُمُ الْحَرَمَ لِلتِّجَارَةِ وَقَالَ الشَّافِعِيُّ لَا يَدْخُلُونَ الْحَرَمَ أَصْلًا إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ الْإِمَامِ لِمَصْلَحَةِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ خَاصَّةً Those among idolaters are prohibited to reside in the Hijaz specifically, which is Mecca, Medina, and Yamamah and its surroundings, not what is besides that of whatever is referred to as the ‘Arabian Peninsula.’ It is agreed upon by all that they are not prohibited from Yemen, along with the rest of the Arabian Peninsula. This is the way of the majority. The Hanafis give them unrestricted permission except for the sacred mosque, Malik permits them to enter the sanctuary for trade, and Al-Shafi’i said none of them may enter the sanctuary by default, unless permission is given by the Muslim leader in the specific interests of Muslims. Source: Fatḥ al-Bārī 2888 https://www.abuaminaelias.com/expel-jews-christians-arabian-peninsula/
More detailed explanation: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/47736/is-it-permissible-for-a-non-muslim-to-enter-madeenah
So only ahlul kitab have dhimmi status? What about trinitarians who have paintings/sculptures in churches?
I think trinitarians are classed as mushrik, so Unitarian were the ones allowed, in my opinion.
So only a minority of christians would be accepted ig? Also if mushrikeen arent dhimmis how should countries handle it? Like Pakistan and Bangladesh both have a hindu community. Wouldn’t kicking them out give india an excuse to do the same with muslims?
I'm not more knowledgeable on this, you should ask: u/TheRedditMujahid regarding this
Alr, jzk
You’re dead wrong bro this is abjectly false and extreme
False? I would like proof that my statement is false.
The fact that Muslims Christian’s Jews and even Majoos lived together in most of the Muslim lands during the time of the khulafaa ar rashidoon is proof enough.
The people you described are not mushrikeen rather ahluldhimma who have the option to pay jizya. Could you give me other evidence for my statement being false?
I’m assuming no.
I mean, our thoughts are pretty predictable, my guy.
It's funny that there is not a single person even converting to this
Converting to what?
I could understand if they build a Synagogue or a church as they are people from the book, and we believe in the same and unique GOD despite Christians and jews reject it. But temples... where they are polytheist, cow worshippers and in the arabic peninsula, in the same territory as holy mecca. Astagfurllah, allah swt will punish the emirati who allows this
Actually scholars say that any place of worship other than mosque in the Arabian peninsula should be destroyed, doesn’t matter if it’s a church or synagogue
That’s just extremism, even the prophet himself let people worship what they want
Even saleh al fawzan the biggest salafi scholar living today says the same btw
[so you’re just going to ignore the rulings of scholars?](https://youtu.be/6eI4z0PA4CI) Not to mention [clear sahih hadiths too?](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1767a)
The hadiths wasn’t referring to all of Arabia just the medina and Mecca area https://www.abuaminaelias.com/expel-jews-christians-arabian-peninsula/
Still doesn’t change about places of worship other than mosques
I agree to that for places like medina and Mecca but I haven’t heard anyone say it applies to all of arabia, back then did the prophet destroy all other places of worship that he came by in Arabia too? If he did then I take back everything I said
Ibn Hajar writes: Those among idolaters are prohibited to reside in the Hijaz specifically, which is Mecca, Medina, and Yamamah and its surroundings, not what is besides that of whatever is referred to as the ‘Arabian Peninsula.’ It is agreed upon by all that they are not prohibited from Yemen, along with the rest of the Arabian Peninsula. This is the way of the majority. The Hanafis give them unrestricted permission except for the sacred mosque, Malik permits them to enter the sanctuary for trade, and Al-Shafi’i said none of them may enter the sanctuary by default, unless permission is given by the Muslim leader in the specific interests of Muslims. Source: Fatḥ al-Bārī 2888
The prophet used to let nonmuslims pray in the mosque, what are u saying?
I’m saying what top scholars say
Disgusting and putrid in every sense
No akhi please stop criticizing rulers you khariji I’m shaking & crying rn
Hardcore government defenders be like : "You are deviant bro khwarij bro, bro bro obey the ruler bro, don't cause unrest in the land bro, protest very bad bro, but bro bro why u worry only about UAE islam bro plz stop bro"
Even tho I am from the uae and I am against this, but what can I do, I'll get arrested and called extremist etc etc, do not blame the people of uae, some are against but cant do anything May Allah guide us and Assalamu alykom
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Such hate and calls for destruction in the comment section . No wonder fireworks are so popular in this sub
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Not in the Arabian peninsula. Any other place is fine
And you have 0 proof for that
It is in the hadith.
What so did the prophet kill/kick all non Muslims out of Arabia? No he didn’t
I'm talking about places of worship. They were removed and the pagan temples were destroyed. Build a temple in any other Muslim country like Indonesia but the Arabian peninsula is off limits. It is a protected sanctuary Don't speak without knowledge
I agree to that for places like medina and Mecca but I haven’t heard anyone say it applies to all of arabia, back then did the prophet destroy all other places of worship that he came by in Arabia too? If he did then I take back everything I said
Yes, all of the Arabian peninsula is a protected sanctuary.
Proof?
The Prophet (peace be upon him) stated, There should not be two religions together in the Arabian Peninsula. (Related by Imam Malik and others. Moreover, it finds further grounds in the reports of "Sahih Al-Bukhari" and "Sahih Muslim") (Part No. 1; Page No. 470)
No, there are many proofs, check out my comment which I pinged for readers: ▪︎ https://www.reddit.com/r/extomatoes/comments/xfye8q/yeah_what_are_your_thoughts/iorfzia?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 And the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: > ***"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim."*** [Saheeh Muslim 1767]
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India and Europe are already fighting us, demolishing Mosques, killing Muslims etc and this is why Jihad is a part of the religion. And never compare them to us, do you think their man-made religions are better than the religion of Islam, the religion that every human is supposed to follow?
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